Modernized BMD-2 will still serve as Russian airborne troops

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In the coming years, the future of the Russian Airborne Forces will be linked to the newest BMD-4M armored vehicles, however, no one is yet going to refuse from the time-tested BMD-2, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

Modernized BMD-2 will still serve as Russian airborne troops


In Tula, a modification of the “two” has long been developed, dramatically increasing its capabilities in modern combat. The improved machine was first shown in 2010 g in Zhukovsky, but did not make an impression on the then military leadership. Once again, the car that received the Bereg combat compartment was available at the Army-2015 forum.

“Externally modified BMD is distinguished, first of all, by the presence of a new, more massively looking, multi-channel sight of the gunner-operator, the same, by the way, as on the BMD-4М. This sight has a thermal imager and telet-thermal automatic target tracking. They are part of a modern digital automated fire control system, ”the Herald writes.



All electronic filling machine meets modern requirements. “It has become possible to effectively hit identified targets from both a cannon and a machine gun, and using the Kornet ATGM at any time, day or night, despite the presence of smoke and precipitation,” the author notes.



The installation for launching guided missiles (ATGM "Cornet EM") is mounted on the right side of the tower. According to the publication, missiles "can hit targets at ranges up to 8000 m and penetrate armor tanks “according to some reports, the enemy’s thickness is more than 1300 mm, and it’s behind dynamic protection.”



In comparison with the base machine, the effectiveness of the upgraded "two" has increased several times. “As a result, an improved armored vehicle will serve for many more years the domestic" winged infantry, "concludes the Messenger of Mordovia.
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  1. +6
    3 September 2015 14: 27
    I do not mind, but ... Armata come on! Armata!
    1. +13
      3 September 2015 14: 35
      Quote: AGAIN
      I do not mind, but ... Armata come on! Armata!

      The heavy "Armata" has a slightly different hypostasis ...
      1. +11
        3 September 2015 14: 49
        Quote: AGAIN
        I do not mind, but ... Armata come on! Armata!

        Well, firstly BMD and TBMP are different types of equipment ...
        And secondly: the T-14 armature as well as the T-15 still need to be run in, make the necessary changes according to the test results, put the production on stream and train a large number of crews for this new type of equipment ...
        This all means investing a huge amount of money and man-hours of work.
        Effective proven weapons are needed here and now, and most importantly for the rapid reaction forces, the backbone of which is the Airborne Forces. Dichno, I was very impressed with the ideas of modifying the BMP-2 by: installing the Berezhok complex on it, increasing the engine power and installing the BDZ with grilles. This is much cheaper at the moment + crews will spend much less time studying, since they know the technique, and of course this will increase both the firepower and survivability of the vehicle, and most importantly the landing force and crew on the battlefield. I am very glad that the "Berezhok" was installed on the BMD-2 (which personally is my favorite of all the world armored vehicles). I hope that, at least for a start, such BMDs will replace all BMD-1 and BMD-2 BMDs of the Russian Airborne Troops still available. As the conflict on the territory of the former Ukraine has shown, the BMD-2, in skillful hands, turns into a "Swiss knife" a powerful, maneuverable, unobtrusive weapon (dimensions are the smallest of the BMD's peers + variable ground clearance).
        A relative problem was only the fight against enemy tanks and security. If the second was compensated by the small dimensions of the BMD-2 and its frantic dynamics, then the first had a problem ... I think two "Cornets" with a modern LMS can successfully solve the "Tank problem" for the BMD-2.
        If only this modification of the BMD-2 did not remain in the form of an "Exclusive exhibit", but went to the troops and changed its Desantura not to BMD-3 and BMD-4, but to BMD-4M. soldier
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    2. +5
      3 September 2015 14: 39
      Quote: AGAIN
      I do not mind, but ... Armata come on! Armata!

      What does the Armata MBT have to do with the BMD-2?
      1. +7
        3 September 2015 14: 53
        Quote: Sith Lord
        What does the Armata MBT have to do with the BMD-2?


        the person probably meant the platform ... feel

        Vladyka .. there is something off topic ..

        Well-known military expert Igor Korotchenko today shared on his Twitter “insider” that residents of the LPR and the DPR will be able to get Russian passports in November-December this year.

        In an interview with FBA Economics Today, Igor Yurievich added that Russia is waiting for the local elections in the Donbas to be recognized as legitimate.

        Naturally, Ukraine will be "hysterical and screaming," but we are more interested in the reaction of other countries and, above all, Germany, as one of the participants in the Minsk process.

        In any case, the issuance of Russian passports to residents of the LPR and DPR will be carried out regardless of whether or not our western partners recognize the elections to the local authorities of Donbass.

        Korotchenko believes that the Donbass is a part of the Russian world, so those who wish can get Russian passports. Moreover, not foreign, but domestic.
        1. 0
          3 September 2015 15: 03
          All electronic filling machine meets modern requirements. “It has become possible to effectively hit identified targets from both a cannon and a machine gun, and using the Kornet ATGM at any time, day or night, despite the presence of smoke and precipitation,” the author notes.

          Is it any wonder that this GLONASS was shoved into every BMD? Now let them add what is no less necessary ... soldier
        2. +2
          3 September 2015 15: 05
          Cool took Korotchenko! He will correct not only the expert, but also the Chairman of the Public Council at the Ministry of Defense!
          1. +4
            3 September 2015 15: 11
            Quote: Samaritan
            Cool took Korotchenko!


            yes sho Korotchenko ... today I almost got it from that ..

            Latvian President Raymond Vejonis acknowledged that the Ukrainian side does not comply with the Minsk Agreement. He stated this in an interview with LETA.

            “A year is approaching since the signing of the Minsk agreements, which established a relative ceasefire in the military conflict in Ukraine, and, probably, these agreements will never be implemented,” he said.

            In this context, Vejonis raised the issue of sanctions against Russia. If the points of the Minsk agreements are not fulfilled, Europe and the Allies will have to decide what to do with them.

            The EU is increasingly asking why the West should continue its sanctions policy against Russia, which is not a party to the conflict in the Donbass. Moreover, it was through the mediation of Moscow that the Minsk agreements were concluded, which Ukraine does not comply with.

            Moscow constantly calls on Kiev to follow the agreements, Kiev violates them. Moreover, the West imposes sanctions for non-compliance with the Minsk agreements not against Ukraine, but against Russia.
          2. +3
            3 September 2015 15: 14
            Quote: Samaritan
            Cool took Korotchenko! He will correct not only the expert, but also the Chairman

            He is certainly an editor, and an expert, and the chairman is knowledgeable.
            But this figure in Perdukov's time kept his nose to the wind and criticism of the thoughtless "reform" was not heard from him. On the contrary, he approved ... Although not particularly enthusiastic. Yes
            Accordingly, I treat his statements with caution.
        3. +2
          3 September 2015 15: 19
          Quote: vorobey
          the person probably meant the platform ... feel

          Vladyka .. there is something off topic ..

          Well-known military expert Igor Korotchenko today shared on his Twitter “insider” that residents of the LPR and the DPR will be able to get Russian passports in November-December this year.

          In an interview with FBA Economics Today, Igor Yurievich added that Russia is waiting for the local elections in the Donbas to be recognized as legitimate.

          Naturally, Ukraine will be "hysterical and screaming," but we are more interested in the reaction of other countries and, above all, Germany, as one of the participants in the Minsk process.

          In any case, the issuance of Russian passports to residents of the LPR and DPR will be carried out regardless of whether or not our western partners recognize the elections to the local authorities of Donbass.

          Korotchenko believes that the Donbass is a part of the Russian world, so those who wish can get Russian passports. Moreover, not foreign, but domestic.


          Well, we have been hearing such rumors for 2 weeks now. I rested in Novoazovsk and there we border guards of the DPR took pictures of our passports to issue new Russians.
          1. +4
            3 September 2015 15: 37
            Quote: Sith Lord
            Well, we have been hearing such rumors for 2 weeks now. I rested in Novoazovsk and there we border guards of the DPR took pictures of our passports to issue new Russians.


            and with Russian passports a completely different calico is cut out ... drinks
          2. +1
            3 September 2015 16: 08
            Quote: Sith Lord
            Well, we have been hearing such rumors for 2 weeks now. I rested in Novoazovsk and there we border guards of the DPR took pictures of our passports to issue new Russians.

            The first rumors about issuing passports of the Russian Federation, as usual in the case, appeared around August 10th. But everything died out, I will be glad that no.
            1. +3
              3 September 2015 18: 17
              Quote: lelikas
              The first rumors about issuing passports of the Russian Federation, as usual in the case, appeared around August 10th. But everything died out, I will be glad that no.

              I rested from August 9 to August 14. Just found the pulling together of the new 9th BCH brigade.
              The border guards said that after the referendum in November there will be Russian-style passports.
    3. VP
      0
      3 September 2015 15: 26
      Landing Armata is somewhat difficult.
    4. -1
      3 September 2015 15: 36
      Definitely! For a DB on the "ground" with a heavy enemy, ground forces equipment (Armata, Kurgantsy, Boomerangs) is needed and so that it is part of the Airborne Forces in reserve, therefore tanks are introduced into the Airborne Forces units. What happens when BMD, BTR-D and MT LB come under fire was visible in the summer of that year near Mnogopole, Kuteinikovo, Starobeshevo.
      1. +3
        3 September 2015 15: 49
        Quote: 2sila
        therefore, tanks are introduced into the airborne units


        do not say this to anyone else ... or give an example ... tanks can be given as a means of amplification for a while, but to the state ...
        1. +2
          3 September 2015 16: 39
          Quote: vorobey
          do not say this to anyone else ... or give an example ... tanks can be given as a means of amplification for a while, but to the state ...

          It seems that in the spring there was something about tanks from Shamanov, that they want them, while the Octopuses are gone.
          1. +1
            3 September 2015 20: 45
            Quote: lelikas
            Quote: vorobey
            do not say this to anyone else ... or give an example ... tanks can be given as a means of amplification for a while, but to the state ...

            It seems that in the spring there was something about tanks from Shamanov, that they want them, while the Octopuses are gone.


            Why, with the advent of BMD 4, the landing is not necessary ... the specifics of the tasks of the landing are different ... remember the marines and coastal defense divisions ... some complemented the other RBs with heavy weapons were in the second echelon when the bridgehead for landing was already provided .. .but from time to time, since we were not in the state, at the beginning our detachment was given directly to the companies ... and the tanker in the marines the concept became quite arbitrary laughing I had to act with the air assault company and go with the scouts .. there are no airborne landing systems for MBT in the world ...
            1. 0
              3 September 2015 21: 57
              What kind of war are you talking about? YOU about the last, "hybrid", have you heard? It was on its "results" that such a decision was made. The paratroopers need their own means of strengthening, so as not to negotiate with subcontractors and not beg for heavy equipment. But even this will not solve the problem, since, by definition, they pull ahead on their "cardboard boxes" and with the saturation of the enemy's defense with anti-tank weapons, they suffer tangible losses, as well as the reconnaissance units of motorized riflemen on MTLB. To maintain a database on the ground of the Airborne Forces, modern (BPM 1,2 are also very outdated) equipment of the ground forces is needed, and if you need to fly somewhere, then let the BMD remain.
              1. 0
                3 September 2015 22: 06
                In August 2014 alone, the BCH type lost 7 BMD 2 and BTR D vehicles.
              2. +1
                3 September 2015 22: 12
                Quote: 2sila
                YOU about the last, "hybrid", have you heard? It was on its "results" that such a decision was made.


                chond heard ...

                Quote: 2sila
                To maintain a database on the land of the airborne forces, we need modern (BPM 1,2 is also very outdated) ground forces equipment, and if you need to fly somewhere, then let BMD remain.


                a fucking garage will work at the airborne forces ... although it’s cool and there is a choice .. you have to fly - cardboard ... you have to go with heavy armor ... as an experiment I can still admit ... but they will refuse this idea .. tanks will deprive the airborne mobility - paradox but This is true..
                1. 0
                  4 September 2015 09: 25
                  Not at all. This will make the Airborne Forces more flexible. In addition to AERO mobility, it will also add any other. And this is inevitable, since the Airborne Forces are units of "first readiness" and they will be the first to enter the battle, this is already so. I say it again. Where airmobility is required, airmobile equipment will be used, where it is not required, new ground forces equipment. Technique is a consumable. The soldier's life is more important.
            2. 0
              3 September 2015 22: 19
              MT LB motorized rifle "VSN" type near Mnogopole. There was no chance. We need a fundamentally new technique: the Armats, Kurgan, Boomerangs. For the entire company, about 34 vehicles of the BMD type were lost on both sides, and they have no chance in a "land" war with even the slightest enemy army.
              1. +1
                3 September 2015 22: 21
                Quote: 2sila
                We need a fundamentally new technology. Almaty, Kurgan, Boomerangs. XNUMX


                we basically speak for the Airborne Forces ... to drop if you are going to
                1. 0
                  4 September 2015 09: 27
                  For the landing, there will be dusty BMDs ..... Where was the last time we landed the Airborne Forces for the war ?! In Georgia? In the "Rostov region"?
            3. 0
              3 September 2015 22: 20
              MT LB. Polyfield.
          2. 0
            3 September 2015 21: 36
            Of course he said, just people. do not know.

            http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150506/1062858829.html
        2. 0
          3 September 2015 21: 35
          I myself know what to do. I’ll decide whether to say it or not. Command at home in the kitchen.
          http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150506/1062858829.html
          1. +1
            3 September 2015 21: 59
            Quote: 2sila
            I myself know what to do. I’ll decide whether to say it or not. Command at home in the kitchen.
            http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150506/1062858829.html


            in the kitchen so in the kitchen .. below answered ...

            I repeat ..
            Quote: vorobey
            vorobey (2) Today, 21:46 PM ↑
            Quote: Old26
            From 2014-2015, the formation of SIX SEPARATE TAANKA MOUTHES on T-72 tanks as part of the airborne divisions began (although the sixth company, the HZ, is to be added). Their formation should be completed in 2018, a year earlier than

            besides the words of shamanov I didn’t find information anywhere .. especially about T72 or did he mean octopus .. can you give a link? You talk about companies and Shamanov about OTB ... I’ll be glad to admit that I’m wrong .. Tanks seriously increase firepower ... in 93, according to legend, our company with a battalion of marines reflected a landing in Kazachka ... 70% of the targets were hit by tanks .. the infantry took offense at us still later .. they weren’t allowed to show off ..
            1. 0
              4 September 2015 09: 34
              Pancake! Well, it is clear that I am not a scholastic, but here there is simply no more authoritative opinion of Shamanov in the Airborne Forces, well, at least now. I certainly understand that you can argue with him. But with HIM, about his words, and not with me about his words. And I said my opinion about AERO mobility. It should be left, just in case, although I can't even give an example of a parachute landing in the DB area. I remember the transfer of drugs and equipment. But where the "cardboard boxes" were thrown was full of ground forces equipment. Why was it necessary to carry this extra load there ...
            2. 0
              4 September 2015 09: 37
              For 93 years it may be relevant and BMD was then at the level. Right now, every bum has "Fagot".
    5. 0
      3 September 2015 15: 57
      pravilno! armata kruganec bumerang davaj davaajj ..
    6. +1
      3 September 2015 18: 52
      Quote: AGAIN
      I do not mind, but ... Armata come on! Armata!


      You do not mind, simply because you did not use this unit. This is the most unsuccessful combat vehicle adopted for service. The gunner is an ordinary physique operator, I emphasize a NORMAL physique in winter camouflage can not work normally with the equipment in the tower. We had to take off our winter jackets, for normal shooting at the -30 C training range, since everyone had their sweaters on, that is, shirts =). And about charging 2A42, I generally do not want to remember !!! Outside the tower, a small hatch opens into which a string is lowered, which is tied to the cannon tape and pulled to the gun receiver, where it is refilled with a screwdriver as a lever. In general, a wretched car. Moreover, there are not many of them in service, they could have been removed to the NZ.
      1. 0
        3 September 2015 19: 30
        Not a line but a sling, the tablet corrector is strange. =)
      2. +1
        3 September 2015 20: 50
        Quote: yushch
        We had to take off our winter jackets, for normal shooting at the -30 C training range, since everyone had their sweaters on, that is, shirts =).


        oh come on ... we are tankers and then took off our jackets and stayed in sweaters ... although we have more places, but nevertheless, while we put our jackets on the outer zips, they hid it ... they just sweated from work so that with minus 30 jets sweat was pouring ...
  2. avt
    +2
    3 September 2015 14: 35
    request It’s clear that it’s impossible to change the park in one go, and they will stand in reserve for a long time. And the fact that the "Cornets" are already being installed is an urgent need - the same Shamanov said that the previous ATGMs in the Ossetian company worked every other time, if not every third.
    1. +1
      3 September 2015 14: 38
      Quote: avt
      request It’s clear that it’s impossible to change the park in one go, and they will stand in reserve for a long time. And the fact that the "Cornets" are already being installed is an urgent need - the same Shamanov said that the previous ATGMs in the Ossetian company worked every other time, if not every third.


      Apparently they "shot" old stuff, like what Strelkov left in Slavyansk.

      Again, for the reason: DO NOT WORK ...
    2. +1
      3 September 2015 15: 31
      I'm interested in something else.
      Now it is possible to effectively hit the identified targets both from a cannon and a machine gun and using the Kornet ATGM at any time of the day or night, regardless of the presence of smoke and atmospheric precipitation

      Isn't the Cornet being laser-guided? if so, isn’t smoke a laser interference?
      Or is it purely a gun that shoots at a thermal imaging sight?
      then it’s necessary to clarify, otherwise you never know, maybe I don’t know what about Cornet.
  3. +1
    3 September 2015 14: 36
    It is interesting to see how many such vehicles are in service.
    1. 0
      3 September 2015 15: 05
      Quote...
      It is interesting to see how many such vehicles are in service.

      Believe me - there are much more than "triplets" and even more so "fours". ... ...
      1. +1
        3 September 2015 15: 44
        Such as in the article so far 0. Next year there will be a non-zero figure.
    2. +2
      3 September 2015 16: 14
      In the Airborne Forces, on the basis of the BMD, there are many effectively proven machines - the BTR-D complex "Robot" (with anti-tank bk) or with the ZU-23, 1V119 artillery reconnaissance vehicle (with the appropriate "stuffing") and, of course, the 2S9 "Nona ". Members of the forum who were in the North Caucasus, in the Chechen Republic, will confirm, I hope. But little has been heard about their modernization. And the "penny" is still in the ranks. For certain tasks or local armed conflicts of low intensity, or on the border, as a mobile reinforcement of outposts - these machines have not lost their relevance.
      From the experience of Bosnia, I can say that in terms of performance characteristics, our vehicles based on BMD against NATO or, even more so, US "Bredley", are an order of magnitude higher. Especially for agility and mobility. The aggregate standard firepower is no worse. And on meeting the standards, on entering the firing positions - everyone was left in the priest.
      Indeed, the high mobility of the Airborne Forces combined with firepower is the essence of the armed forces.
      1. 0
        3 September 2015 20: 09
        There are not so many clean "twos" in the troops either. Basically "one" with a tower from "two" ... hi
        Type: Upgraded Option
  4. +1
    3 September 2015 14: 37
    modernization is good, but the new park is still better
    1. +1
      3 September 2015 15: 36
      It’s excellent to upgrade, otherwise the Germans completely lost everything!
  5. +2
    3 September 2015 14: 37
    It would be necessary for the BMD and the BMP to have effective thermal protection so that it could be seen so clearly in the thermal imager. In the current version, these are single-shot vehicles. If it is impossible to make them resistant to small arms available to the enemy, they must be minimized to a greater extent and mobility enhanced.
  6. +4
    3 September 2015 14: 42
    Why is the modernization of old Soviet technology all the time focused on firepower? Forget about machine security! Where are the screens, grilles, and so on? You can pierce this aluminum trough with your finger ... not in the 80s in the yard.
    1. +2
      3 September 2015 14: 51
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      Why is the modernization of old Soviet technology all the time focused on firepower? Forget about machine security! Where are the screens, grilles, and so on? You can pierce this aluminum trough with your finger ... not in the 80s in the yard.


      Recently, steel research institutes presented new ceramic armor plates ... the article to mine was also here if I am not mistaken ... so it will hang ..
      1. +2
        3 September 2015 14: 55
        The old woman will still serve. It seems to me that now they are doing her protection in ceramics. And if you continue to argue, then the T-34, appearing in Washington, will also look good ...
    2. +1
      3 September 2015 14: 54
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      Why is the modernization of old Soviet technology all the time focused on firepower? Forget about machine security! Where are the screens, grilles, and so on? You can pierce this aluminum trough with your finger ... not in the 80s in the yard.



      Unfortunately, "screens, grilles, etc.", apparently, you cannot put on an airborne vehicle.
      Since this will require a completely different airborne system ...

      And the alteration of the entire landing complex, "will result in a pretty penny", and such that you have to choose between upgrading the BMD-2 and purchasing the BMD-4M ...

      And in this form of modernization, there will be (?) Both BMD-2 and BMD-4M ...
      1. 0
        3 September 2015 15: 07
        And the alteration of the entire landing complex, "will result in a pretty penny", and such that you have to choose between upgrading the BMD-2 and purchasing the BMD-4M ...


        About the choice. It would be good to capitalize BMD-2 and send for storage, and replace the retired BMD-4M units.

        Here I look at the BMD-2 (even modernized), and somehow sadly for those who will fight on it.
    3. +1
      3 September 2015 15: 02
      Hang on for the Airborne Forces - it won’t fly ... more precisely, it will fly very quickly!
      trellises, logs, sandbags - not seriously.
      as an example, in the DPR, the militia against the T-64 uses an anti-tank rifle, from the time of the Second World War,
      And not only Cornets:
      “Can hit targets at ranges up to 8000 m and pierce the armor of enemy tanks thick, according to some reports, more than 1300 mm, and located behind the dynamic protection. "
    4. +1
      3 September 2015 15: 47
      Not take off, in the sense of not really increase. Won lovers of quality beds and ceramics of the latest generation on the serpentines of Yemen with RPG-7 are taking quite successfully.

      I mean, on that base, inscribing the requirements for weight and size does not improve the protection in any way. Holds the infantry rifle and okay.
      1. +1
        3 September 2015 16: 12
        Quote: donavi49
        Not take off, in the sense of not really increase. Won lovers of quality beds and ceramics of the latest generation on the serpentines of Yemen with RPG-7 are taking quite successfully.

        Give these amateurs even a "merkava" with a "trophy" - and they will manage to use it in the most advantageous way for the enemy. smile

        By the way, of all the recent local conflicts, Yemeni stands out for its wide and rather skillful use of anti-tank systems. Judging by the commercials, the operators work from such distances and from such shelters that their goals do not even see where they are firing from.
        1. 0
          3 September 2015 21: 31
          And here, the coming Saudis seem to have bad or very bad intelligence. Although the question remains, how many armored vehicles were destroyed? Judging by the fact that the Saudis are not particularly worried - not much. And while they continue to fight and do not cry.
  7. +1
    3 September 2015 14: 50
    Of course not against it. And excuse me for how long it takes to create new technological production. BMD-4 when they created the prototype. But with the beginning of mass production, the delay. Always has been and will be. The new one is always based on new technologies, and it takes time to master production. It’s beautiful only on paper.
  8. 0
    3 September 2015 14: 52
    Compared with the base machine, the effectiveness of the modernized "deuce" has increased several times.
    Fine! Until the arrival of new technology will serve!
  9. 0
    3 September 2015 14: 53
    I don't think the BMP-2 is a good alternative. But the modernized cars are still better than the old ones. And so we are waiting for the BMP-4 and of course "Kurganets" soldier
    1. 0
      3 September 2015 15: 13
      Quote: Alexey-74
      I don't think the BMP-2 is a good alternative. But the modernized cars are still better than the old ones. And so we are waiting for the BMP-4 and of course "Kurganets"


      You are somewhat different ...
  10. +1
    3 September 2015 14: 57
    Quote: Taygerus
    modernization is good, but the new park is still better

    I agree with you completely, but:
    Any upgrade is clearly cheaper than a new product.
    It is impossible to saturate the troops with new machines overnight.
    Modernization allows maintaining the combat effectiveness of units at an acceptable level until the completion of rearmament.
    After the new equipment enters the troops, the old, but modernized, much easier and more profitable to sell or put into storage is not a shame.
    In the event of a turmoil, crews from reservists are recruited with minimal time spent on retraining.

    Although I would like, of course, that the entire fleet of our armored vehicles be updated within a year. wink
  11. 0
    3 September 2015 15: 09
    Not on BMD-2 Taburetkina. Instantly I would cut, sell and buy from Hans or Frogs.
  12. 0
    3 September 2015 15: 13
    It is necessary to adapt the mounted armor from the BMD-4M, to enhance its capabilities to protect the crew after landing!
  13. +3
    3 September 2015 15: 27
    But for you about BMD-1 ...
    on the day of the 25th anniversary of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan, the grand opening of the BMD-1 monument took place in Samara. Also on this day, the laying of flowers at the memorial to soldiers-internationalists took place. The idea of ​​installing the BMD-1 in Samara arose last September, when the Samara school No. 64 was named after the Hero of Russia, Samara Vitaly Talabaev, who died heroically in the Caucasus in an airborne combat vehicle. The combat vehicle was delivered to our city from the Ryazan Airborne School. This machine fought in all the hot spots. Now one of them will stand forever in Samara
  14. +1
    3 September 2015 15: 34
    and my factory is engaged in the remelting of unwound BMDshek corps and other military colormet (blocks D12,5TDF). Very informative. Surprised by the subtlety of aluminum armor.
  15. 0
    3 September 2015 16: 16
    But would an open-air sight be a good target for a sniper?
  16. 0
    3 September 2015 17: 13
    Prior to the arrival of new technology, the upgraded one will serve.
  17. +1
    3 September 2015 21: 12
    Quote: vorobey
    do not say this to anyone else ... or give an example ... tanks can be given as a means of amplification for a while, but to the state ...

    Really do not tell anyone ... But here 2sila absolutely right in saying that

    introduce tanks to the airborne units


    And indeed they are being introduced, moreover to the state [. From 2014-2015, the formation began SIX SEPARATE TAANK MOUTH on tanks T-72 as part of the airborne divisions (though where the sixth company will be attached - HZ). Their formation should be completed in 2018, a year earlier than the formation of the third landing regiment in divisions
    1. +1
      3 September 2015 21: 46
      Quote: Old26
      From 2014-2015, the formation of SIX SEPARATE TAANKA MOUTHES on T-72 tanks as part of the airborne divisions began (although the sixth company, the HZ, is to be added). Their formation should be completed in 2018, a year earlier than


      besides the words of shamanov I didn’t find information anywhere .. especially about T72 or did he mean octopuses .. can you give a link? You speak about companies and Shamans about OTB ... I will be glad to admit that I am wrong .. laughing Tanks seriously increase their firepower ... in 93, according to legend, our company with a battalion of marines reflected a landing in Kazachka ... 70% of the targets were hit by tanks .. the infantry was offended by us later ... they weren’t allowed to show off .. laughing
  18. +1
    3 September 2015 22: 21
    By the way, the Kornet ATGM has long had to be installed on both the BMD-4M and the BMP-3, because the standard ATGMs they have, launched through the barrel of 100mm guns against the frontal armor of modern Western tanks are useless. But if it doesn't reach someone, if the situation is under the control of enemy agents of influence (this option would also explain why BMP-3 supplied, for example, for export, come with lengthened 30mm guns (increased effective range of destruction of lightly armored vehicles - which is a long time ago they ask the Russian military), and to Russia - with the old short ones, why export T-90s or modernized T-72s go without holes in dynamic protection, with 40-mm automatic Russian grenade launchers (there are some) and Kord anti-aircraft machine guns, and to Russia - stripped with short-barreled 7,62mm machine guns on the roof (and "Uralvagonzavod" does not get tired of trying to deny that this is the way it should be, and it is not at all clear who is in command of whom: the military military-industrial complex or vice versa), etc.
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      3 September 2015 22: 25
      Quote: non-jumping
      and to Russia - ragged with a 7,62mm short-barrel machine guns on the roof


      okstitsya my friend always UTES stood and stands ... do not confuse with cord

      and who and when put a 40mm grenade launcher on the tank ...
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        4 September 2015 11: 48
        About the 40mm automatic grenade launcher - there was information that they were being installed for Arab customers (at first I was surprised myself), and instead of a cliff, "Uralvagon Zavod" for some reason stubbornly promotes 7,62mm machine guns for the Russian Ministry of Defense on the T-90SM, "Armata" and even the upgraded Sprut-SDM-1. Moreover, it is known, for example, that all foreign customers who are interested in the T-90SM are not satisfied with the presence of a 7,62mm machine gun instead of the Cliff (by the way outdated) and for them they plan to install a domestic and much more advanced Kord (Cliff was produced in Kazakhstan and had a very low barrel resource)
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          4 September 2015 22: 27
          Quote: non-jumping
          About the 40mm automatic grenade launcher - there was information that they were being installed for Arab customers (at first I was surprised myself), and instead of a cliff, "Uralvagon Zavod" for some reason stubbornly promotes 7,62mm machine guns for the Russian Ministry of Defense on the T-90SM, "Armata" and even the upgraded Sprut-SDM-1. Moreover, it is known, for example, that all foreign customers who are interested in the T-90SM are not satisfied with the presence of a 7,62mm machine gun instead of the Cliff (by the way outdated) and for them they plan to install a domestic and much more advanced Kord (Cliff was produced in Kazakhstan and had a very low barrel resource)


          In service, the Soviet infantry received the NSVS easel machine gun on the Baryshev-Stepanov 6T7 tripod machine, and it’s four times less in mass than its predecessor, the DShKM. Also produced anti-aircraft installation ZPU NSV on the machine 6U6, which had a weight of 92,5 kg. The armored forces of the USSR adopted the tank modification NSVT for installation on the towers of the T-72, T-80, T-90 tanks and armored personnel carriers.

          The NSV machine gun was actively used by Soviet and Russian troops for over 30 years in all local conflicts. During the Afghan and both Chechen wars, heavy machine guns proved to be a very effective means of defense of roadblocks, automobiles and armored vehicles. In Chechnya, the NSV machine gun received the unofficial name “anti-sniper”. The power of the ammunition, as well as the availability of optics, made it possible to quickly suppress enemy sniper points.

          After the collapse of the USSR, the factories that produced the NSV machine gun ended up in independent states. It was required to establish the production of similar weapons in Russia. The talented designers of the design bureau of the Kovrov plant named after V. A. Degtyarev A. A. Namitulin, A. A. Kuznetsov, Yu. M. Bogdanov and V. I. Zhirokhin began to modernize the Utes clown machine gun.

          Since 1997, the machine gun was put into pilot production and adopted by the Russian army under the indices 6P50 (infantry modification) and 6P49 (tank). In the specialized literature, this sample is designated KORD ("Large-caliber weapons of the tarry"). In general, in terms of overall and combat characteristics, the new machine gun is similar to the NSV. Even outwardly they are similar. However, there were significant changes within the structure.
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    4 September 2015 22: 56
    Quote: vorobey
    besides the words of shamanov I didn’t find information anywhere .. especially about T72 or did he mean octopuses .. can you give a link? You speak about companies and Shamans about OTB ... I’ll be glad to admit that I’m wrong .. Tanks seriously increase firepower ... in 93, according to legend, our company with a battalion of marines reflected a landing in Kazachka ... 70% of the targets were hit by tanks .. the infantry took offense at us still later .. they were not allowed to show off


    No problem. To begin with, an article from the Wiki "Russian Airborne Forces.
    As of 2015, there are no regiments in the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation. The 38th communications regiment and the 45th special forces regiment were previously reorganized into brigades. According to statements by the commander of the airborne forces, Colonel General Shamanov, air assault units will strengthen six separate tank companies on the T-72.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D0%BE-%
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    0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

    It is more intelligible on the resource
    http://warfare.be/db/lang/rus/catid/239/linkid/2241/title/vozdushno-desantnye-vo
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