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Modernized BMD-2 will still serve as Russian airborne troops

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In the coming years, the future of the Russian Airborne Forces will be linked to the newest BMD-4M armored vehicles, however, no one is yet going to refuse from the time-tested BMD-2, writes Messenger of Mordovia.


Modernized BMD-2 will still serve as Russian airborne troops


In Tula, a modification of the “two” has long been developed, dramatically increasing its capabilities in modern combat. The improved machine was first shown in 2010 g in Zhukovsky, but did not make an impression on the then military leadership. Once again, the car that received the Bereg combat compartment was available at the Army-2015 forum.

“Externally modified BMD is distinguished, first of all, by the presence of a new, more massively looking, multi-channel sight of the gunner-operator, the same, by the way, as on the BMD-4М. This sight has a thermal imager and telet-thermal automatic target tracking. They are part of a modern digital automated fire control system, ”the Herald writes.



All electronic filling machine meets modern requirements. “It has become possible to effectively hit identified targets from both a cannon and a machine gun, and using the Kornet ATGM at any time, day or night, despite the presence of smoke and precipitation,” the author notes.



The installation for launching guided missiles (ATGM "Cornet EM") is mounted on the right side of the tower. According to the publication, missiles "can hit targets at ranges up to 8000 m and penetrate armor tanks “according to some reports, the enemy’s thickness is more than 1300 mm, and it’s behind dynamic protection.”



In comparison with the base machine, the effectiveness of the upgraded "two" has increased several times. “As a result, an improved armored vehicle will serve for many more years the domestic" winged infantry, "concludes the Messenger of Mordovia.
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  1. WE ARE MAKING
    WE ARE MAKING 3 September 2015 14: 27 New
    +6
    I do not mind, but ... Armata come on! Armata!
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 3 September 2015 14: 35 New
      +13
      Quote: AGAIN
      I do not mind, but ... Armata come on! Armata!

      The heavy “Almaty” has a slightly different guise ...
      1. Now we are free
        Now we are free 3 September 2015 14: 49 New
        +11
        Quote: AGAIN
        I do not mind, but ... Armata come on! Armata!

        Well, firstly BMD and TBMP are different types of equipment ...
        And secondly: the T-14 armature as well as the T-15 still need to be run in, make the necessary changes according to the test results, put the production on stream and train a large number of crews for this new type of equipment ...
        This all means investing a huge amount of money and man-hours of work.
        Effective proven weapons are needed here and now, and most importantly for the rapid reaction forces, the backbone of which is the airborne troops. Personally, I was very impressed with the ideas of finalizing the BMP-2 by: installing the Berezhok complex on it, increasing engine power and installing the BDZ with grilles. This is much cheaper at the moment + the crews will spend much less time studying because they know the equipment and of course this will increase both the firepower and the survivability of the vehicle and, most importantly, the landing party and crew on the battlefield. I am very glad that the Berezhok was installed on the BMD-2 (which I personally have the most favorite of all the world BBMs). I hope that, at least for a start, such BMDs will replace all the BMD-1 and BMD-2 of the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation that are currently available. As shown by the conflict in the territory of the former Ukraine, the BMD-2 in skillful hands turns into a “Swiss knife”, a powerful, maneuverable, barely noticeable weapon (dimensions are the smallest of the BME peers + variable clearance).
        The relative problem was only the fight against enemy tanks and security. If the second was compensated by the small size of the BMD-2 and its frantic dynamics, then there was a problem with the first ... I think that two Cornets with modern SLAs can successfully solve the Tank Problem for the BMD-2.
        If only this modification of the BMD-2 did not remain in the form of an "Exclusive Exhibit", it went to the troops and was replaced by the Desantura not on the BMD-3 and BMD-4, but on the BMD-4M. soldier
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    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 3 September 2015 14: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: AGAIN
      I do not mind, but ... Armata come on! Armata!

      And here is the MBT "Armata" to BMD-2?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 3 September 2015 14: 53 New
        +7
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        And here is the MBT "Armata" to BMD-2?


        the person probably meant the platform ... repeat

        Vladyka .. there is something off topic ..

        Well-known military expert Igor Korotchenko today shared on his Twitter “insider” that residents of the LPR and the DPR will be able to get Russian passports in November-December this year.

        In an interview with FBA Economics Today, Igor Yurievich added that Russia is waiting for the local elections in the Donbas to be recognized as legitimate.

        Naturally, Ukraine will be "hysterical and screaming," but we are more interested in the reaction of other countries and, above all, Germany, as one of the participants in the Minsk process.

        In any case, the issuance of Russian passports to residents of the LPR and DPR will be carried out regardless of whether or not our western partners recognize the elections to the local authorities of Donbass.

        Korotchenko believes that the Donbass is a part of the Russian world, so those who wish can get Russian passports. Moreover, not foreign, but domestic.
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 3 September 2015 15: 03 New
          0
          All electronic filling of the machine meets modern requirements. “There was an opportunity to effectively hit the identified targets both from a cannon and a machine gun, and using the Kornet ATGM at any time of the day or night, despite the presence of smoke and precipitation," the author notes.

          Is it any wonder that this GLONASS was shoved into every BMD? Now let them add what is no less necessary ... soldier
        2. Samaritan
          Samaritan 3 September 2015 15: 05 New
          +2
          Cool took Korotchenko! He will correct not only the expert, but also the Chairman of the Public Council at the Ministry of Defense!
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 3 September 2015 15: 11 New
            +4
            Quote: Samaritan
            Cool took Korotchenko!


            yes sho Korotchenko ... today I almost got it from that ..

            Latvian President Raymond Vejonis acknowledged that the Ukrainian side does not comply with the Minsk Agreement. He stated this in an interview with LETA.

            “A year is coming from the moment of signing the Minsk agreements, which established a relative ceasefire in the military conflict in Ukraine, and probably these agreements will not be implemented,” he said.

            In this context, Vejonis raised the issue of sanctions against Russia. If the points of the Minsk agreements are not fulfilled, Europe and the Allies will have to decide what to do with them.

            The EU is increasingly asking why the West should continue its sanctions policy against Russia, which is not a party to the conflict in the Donbass. Moreover, it was through the mediation of Moscow that the Minsk agreements were concluded, which Ukraine does not comply with.

            Moscow constantly calls on Kiev to follow the agreements, Kiev violates them. Moreover, the West imposes sanctions for non-compliance with the Minsk agreements not against Ukraine, but against Russia.
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 3 September 2015 15: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Samaritan
            Cool took Korotchenko! He will correct not only the expert, but also the Chairman

            He is certainly an editor, and an expert, and the chairman is knowledgeable.
            But this figure in the days of Perdyukov kept his nose in the wind and criticism of thoughtless "reform" was not heard from him. On the contrary, approved ... Although not particularly enthusiastic. yes
            Accordingly, I treat his statements with caution.
        3. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 3 September 2015 15: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: vorobey
          the person probably meant the platform ... repeat

          Vladyka .. there is something off topic ..

          Well-known military expert Igor Korotchenko today shared on his Twitter “insider” that residents of the LPR and the DPR will be able to get Russian passports in November-December this year.

          In an interview with FBA Economics Today, Igor Yurievich added that Russia is waiting for the local elections in the Donbas to be recognized as legitimate.

          Naturally, Ukraine will be "hysterical and screaming," but we are more interested in the reaction of other countries and, above all, Germany, as one of the participants in the Minsk process.

          In any case, the issuance of Russian passports to residents of the LPR and DPR will be carried out regardless of whether or not our western partners recognize the elections to the local authorities of Donbass.

          Korotchenko believes that the Donbass is a part of the Russian world, so those who wish can get Russian passports. Moreover, not foreign, but domestic.


          Well, we have been hearing such rumors for 2 weeks now. I rested in Novoazovsk and there we border guards of the DPR took pictures of our passports to issue new Russians.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 3 September 2015 15: 37 New
            +4
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            Well, we have been hearing such rumors for 2 weeks now. I rested in Novoazovsk and there we border guards of the DPR took pictures of our passports to issue new Russians.


            and with Russian passports a completely different calico is cut out ... drinks
          2. lelikas
            lelikas 3 September 2015 16: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            Well, we have been hearing such rumors for 2 weeks now. I rested in Novoazovsk and there we border guards of the DPR took pictures of our passports to issue new Russians.

            The first rumors about issuing passports of the Russian Federation, as usual in the case, appeared around August 10th. But everything died out, I will be glad that no.
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 3 September 2015 18: 17 New
              +3
              Quote: lelikas
              The first rumors about issuing passports of the Russian Federation, as usual in the case, appeared around August 10th. But everything died out, I will be glad that no.

              I rested from August 9 to August 14. Just found the pulling together of the new 9th BCH brigade.
              The border guards said that after the referendum in November there will be Russian-style passports.
    3. VP
      VP 3 September 2015 15: 26 New
      0
      Landing Armata is somewhat difficult.
    4. 2sila
      2sila 3 September 2015 15: 36 New
      -1
      Definitely! For a land base database with a heavy adversary, ground forces equipment (Almaty, Kurgan, Boomerang) is needed and that it be part of the airborne forces in reserve, so tanks are introduced into the airborne units. What happens when the BMD, BTR-D and MT LB come under fire was seen in the summer of that year near Mnogopol, Kuteynikovo, Starobeshevo.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 3 September 2015 15: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: 2sila
        therefore, tanks are introduced into the airborne units


        do not say this to anyone else ... or give an example ... tanks can be given as a means of amplification for a while, but to the state ...
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 3 September 2015 16: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: vorobey
          do not say this to anyone else ... or give an example ... tanks can be given as a means of amplification for a while, but to the state ...

          It seems in the spring that something was about tanks from Shamanov that they want them, while the "Octopus" is not.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 3 September 2015 20: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: lelikas
            Quote: vorobey
            do not say this to anyone else ... or give an example ... tanks can be given as a means of amplification for a while, but to the state ...

            It seems in the spring that something was about tanks from Shamanov that they want them, while the "Octopus" is not.


            Why, with the advent of BMD 4, the landing is not necessary ... the specifics of the tasks of the landing are different ... remember the marines and coastal defense divisions ... some complemented the other RBs with heavy weapons were in the second echelon when the bridgehead for landing was already provided .. .but from time to time, since we were not in the state, at the beginning our detachment was given directly to the companies ... and the tanker in the marines the concept became quite arbitrary laughing I had to act with the air assault company and go with the scouts .. there are no airborne landing systems for MBT in the world ...
            1. 2sila
              2sila 3 September 2015 21: 57 New
              0
              What kind of war are you talking about? YOU about the last, "hybrid", you heard? It is on its "results" and such a decision was made. Paratroopers need their own means of amplification, so as not to negotiate with subcontractors and beg for heavy equipment. But even this will not solve the problem, since by definition they are pulled ahead on their “cartons” and, when the enemy’s defense is saturated with weapons, they suffer significant losses, as do the reconnaissance units of motorized rifles at MTLB. To maintain a database on the land of the airborne forces, we need modern (BPM 1,2 is also very outdated) ground forces equipment, and if you need to fly somewhere, then let BMD remain.
              1. 2sila
                2sila 3 September 2015 22: 06 New
                0
                In August 2014 alone, the BCH type lost 7 BMD 2 and BTR D vehicles.
              2. vorobey
                vorobey 3 September 2015 22: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: 2sila
                YOU about the last, "hybrid", you heard? It is on its "results" and such a decision was made.


                chond heard ...

                Quote: 2sila
                To maintain a database on the land of the airborne forces, we need modern (BPM 1,2 is also very outdated) ground forces equipment, and if you need to fly somewhere, then let BMD remain.


                a fucking garage will work at the airborne forces ... although it’s cool and there is a choice .. you have to fly - cardboard ... you have to go with heavy armor ... as an experiment I can still admit ... but they will refuse this idea .. tanks will deprive the airborne mobility - paradox but This is true..
                1. 2sila
                  2sila 4 September 2015 09: 25 New
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                  Not at all like that. This will make the airborne forces more flexible. In addition to AER mobility, it will add any other. And this is inevitable, since the Airborne Forces are parts of the "first readiness" and they will be the first to engage in battle, this is already so. I say it again. Tapm where air mobility is required, there they will use airmobile technology, where not required, new ground forces equipment. Appliances technique. The life of a soldier is more important.
            2. 2sila
              2sila 3 September 2015 22: 19 New
              0
              MT LB motorized rifle type "VSN" near Polyfield. There were no chances. We need a fundamentally new technology. Almaty, Kurgan, Boomerangs. For the entire company, about 34 BMD-type vehicles were lost on both sides, and they have no chance of a “land” war with even a small enemy army.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 3 September 2015 22: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: 2sila
                We need a fundamentally new technology. Almaty, Kurgan, Boomerangs. XNUMX


                we basically speak for the Airborne Forces ... to drop if you are going to
                1. 2sila
                  2sila 4 September 2015 09: 27 New
                  0
                  For landing, there will remain dusty BMDs ..... Where was the last time we landed the airborne forces for war ?! In Georgia? In the "Rostov region"?
            3. 2sila
              2sila 3 September 2015 22: 20 New
              0
              MT LB. Polyfield.
          2. 2sila
            2sila 3 September 2015 21: 36 New
            0
            Of course he said, just people. do not know.

            http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150506/1062858829.html
        2. 2sila
          2sila 3 September 2015 21: 35 New
          0
          I myself know what to do. I’ll decide whether to say it or not. Command at home in the kitchen.
          http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150506/1062858829.html
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 3 September 2015 21: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: 2sila
            I myself know what to do. I’ll decide whether to say it or not. Command at home in the kitchen.
            http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150506/1062858829.html


            in the kitchen so in the kitchen .. below answered ...

            I repeat ..
            Quote: vorobey
            vorobey (2) Today, 21:46 PM ↑
            Quote: Old26
            From 2014-2015, the formation of SIX SEPARATE TAANKA MOUTHES on T-72 tanks as part of the airborne divisions began (although the sixth company, the HZ, is to be added). Their formation should be completed in 2018, a year earlier than

            besides the words of shamanov I didn’t find information anywhere .. especially about T72 or did he mean octopus .. can you give a link? You talk about companies and Shamanov about OTB ... I’ll be glad to admit that I’m wrong .. Tanks seriously increase firepower ... in 93, according to legend, our company with a battalion of marines reflected a landing in Kazachka ... 70% of the targets were hit by tanks .. the infantry took offense at us still later .. they weren’t allowed to show off ..
            1. 2sila
              2sila 4 September 2015 09: 34 New
              0
              Pancake! Well, it’s clear that I’m not a scholastic, but there is simply no authoritative opinion of Shamanov in the Airborne Forces, well, at least for now. Of course, I understand that you can argue with him. But it was with him, about his words, and not with me about his words. And I said my opinion about AER Mobility. She needs to be left, just in case. Although I can’t even give an example, I can cite an example of parachuting into the database area. I remember the transfer of drugs and equipment. But there, where the “cartons” were transferred, it was full of ground forces equipment. Why it was necessary to drag this extra load there .....
            2. 2sila
              2sila 4 September 2015 09: 37 New
              0
              For 93 years, maybe BMD was also relevant then. Right now, every homeless "bassoon".
    5. raikkonen
      raikkonen 3 September 2015 15: 57 New
      0
      pravilno! armata kruganec bumerang davaj davaajj ..
    6. yushch
      yushch 3 September 2015 18: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: AGAIN
      I do not mind, but ... Armata come on! Armata!


      You do not mind, simply because you did not use this unit. This is the most unsuccessful combat vehicle adopted for service. The gunner is an ordinary physique operator, I emphasize a NORMAL physique in winter camouflage can not work normally with the equipment in the tower. We had to take off our winter jackets, for normal shooting at the -30 C training range, since everyone had their sweaters on, that is, shirts =). And about charging 2A42, I generally do not want to remember !!! Outside the tower, a small hatch opens into which a string is lowered, which is tied to the cannon tape and pulled to the gun receiver, where it is refilled with a screwdriver as a lever. In general, a wretched car. Moreover, there are not many of them in service, they could have been removed to the NZ.
      1. yushch
        yushch 3 September 2015 19: 30 New
        0
        Not a line but a sling, the tablet corrector is strange. =)
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 3 September 2015 20: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: yushch
        We had to take off our winter jackets, for normal shooting at the -30 C training range, since everyone had their sweaters on, that is, shirts =).


        oh come on ... we are tankers and then took off our jackets and stayed in sweaters ... although we have more places, but nevertheless, while we put our jackets on the outer zips, they hid it ... they just sweated from work so that with minus 30 jets sweat was pouring ...
  2. avt
    avt 3 September 2015 14: 35 New
    +2
    request Hedgehog it’s understandable that you won’t change the park in one sitting, and they will still be on standby for a long time. And the fact that the Cornets are putting right now is an urgent need - the same Shamanov said that the previous ATGMs in the Ossetian company triggered once, if not every third.
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 3 September 2015 14: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: avt
      request Hedgehog it’s understandable that you won’t change the park in one sitting, and they will still be on standby for a long time. And the fact that the Cornets are putting right now is an urgent need - the same Shamanov said that the previous ATGMs in the Ossetian company triggered once, if not every third.


      Apparently, they "shot" the old stuff, as well as the fact that Strelkov left in Slavyansk.

      Again, for the reason: DO NOT WORK ...
    2. just exp
      just exp 3 September 2015 15: 31 New
      +1
      I'm interested in something else.
      There was an opportunity to effectively hit the identified targets both from a cannon and a machine gun, and with the use of ATGM "Cornet" at any time of the day or night, despite the presence of smoke and precipitation

      Isn't the Cornet being laser-guided? if so, isn’t smoke a laser interference?
      Or is it purely a gun that shoots at a thermal imaging sight?
      then it’s necessary to clarify, otherwise you never know, maybe I don’t know what about Cornet.
  3. inpu
    inpu 3 September 2015 14: 36 New
    +1
    It is interesting to see how many such vehicles are in service.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 3 September 2015 15: 05 New
      0
      Quote...
      It is interesting to see how many such vehicles are in service.

      Believe me - much more than "triples" and even more so "fours". . .
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 3 September 2015 15: 44 New
        +1
        Such as in the article so far 0. Next year there will be a non-zero figure.
    2. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 3 September 2015 16: 14 New
      +2
      In the Airborne Forces, on the basis of the BMD, there are many effectively proven vehicles - the BTR-D complex "Robot" (with anti-tank bk) or the ZU-23, 1V119 artillery reconnaissance vehicle (with the corresponding "stuffing") and, of course, 2C9 "Nona " The forum users, who were in the North Caucasus, in the Chechen Republic, will confirm, I hope. But little is heard about their modernization. And the penny is still in service. Under certain tasks or local armed conflicts of low intensity, or at the border, as a mobile reinforcement of outposts, these machines have not lost their relevance.
      From Bosnia’s experience, I can say that in terms of performance characteristics, our BMD-based vehicles against the NATO or, moreover, the state-owned Bredley are an order of magnitude higher. Especially in terms of maneuverability and mobility. The aggregate full-time firepower is no worse. And to comply with the standards, to enter firing positions - everyone was left in the priest.
      Indeed, the high mobility of the Airborne Forces combined with firepower is the essence of the armed forces.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 3 September 2015 20: 09 New
        0
        Pure "deuces" in the troops, too, not really. Basically a "unit" with a tower from the "deuce" ... hi
        Type: Upgraded Option
  4. Taygerus
    Taygerus 3 September 2015 14: 37 New
    +1
    modernization is good, but the new park is still better
    1. maiman61
      maiman61 3 September 2015 15: 36 New
      +1
      It’s excellent to upgrade, otherwise the Germans completely lost everything!
  5. ARES623
    ARES623 3 September 2015 14: 37 New
    +2
    It would be necessary for the BMD and the BMP to have effective thermal protection so that it could be seen so clearly in the thermal imager. In the current version, these are single-shot vehicles. If it is impossible to make them resistant to small arms available to the enemy, they must be minimized to a greater extent and mobility enhanced.
  6. KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 3 September 2015 14: 42 New
    +4
    Why is the modernization of old Soviet technology all the time focused on firepower? Forget about machine security! Where are the screens, grilles, and so on? You can pierce this aluminum trough with your finger ... not in the 80s in the yard.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 3 September 2015 14: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      Why is the modernization of old Soviet technology all the time focused on firepower? Forget about machine security! Where are the screens, grilles, and so on? You can pierce this aluminum trough with your finger ... not in the 80s in the yard.


      Recently, steel research institutes presented new ceramic armor plates ... the article to mine was also here if I am not mistaken ... so it will hang ..
      1. Abbra
        Abbra 3 September 2015 14: 55 New
        +2
        The old woman will still serve. It seems to me that now they are doing her protection in ceramics. And if you continue to argue, then the T-34, appearing in Washington, will also look good ...
    2. Tanais
      Tanais 3 September 2015 14: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      Why is the modernization of old Soviet technology all the time focused on firepower? Forget about machine security! Where are the screens, grilles, and so on? You can pierce this aluminum trough with your finger ... not in the 80s in the yard.



      Unfortunately, "screens, grilles, etc.", apparently you can’t put on an airborne landing machine.
      Since this will require a completely different airborne system ...

      And the alteration of the entire landing complex will "cost a pretty penny," so much so that you have to choose between upgrading the BMD-2 and purchasing the BMD-4M ...

      And in this form of modernization, there will be (?) Both BMD-2 and BMD-4M ...
      1. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 3 September 2015 15: 07 New
        0
        And the alteration of the entire landing complex will "cost a pretty penny," so much so that you have to choose between upgrading the BMD-2 and purchasing the BMD-4M ...


        About the choice. It would be good to capitalize BMD-2 and send for storage, and replace the retired BMD-4M units.

        Here I look at the BMD-2 (even modernized), and somehow sadly for those who will fight on it.
    3. Bombardier
      Bombardier 3 September 2015 15: 02 New
      +1
      Hang on for the Airborne Forces - it won’t fly ... more precisely, it will fly very quickly!
      trellises, logs, sandbags - not seriously.
      as an example, in the DPR, the militia against the T-64 uses an anti-tank rifle, from the time of the Second World War,
      And not only Cornets:
      “Can hit targets at ranges up to 8000 m and pierce the armor of enemy tanks thick, according to some reports, more than 1300 mm, and located behind the dynamic protection. "
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 3 September 2015 15: 47 New
      +1
      Not take off, in the sense of not really increase. Won lovers of quality beds and ceramics of the latest generation on the serpentines of Yemen with RPG-7 are taking quite successfully.

      I mean, on that base, inscribing the requirements for weight and size does not improve the protection in any way. Holds the infantry rifle and okay.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 3 September 2015 16: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Not take off, in the sense of not really increase. Won lovers of quality beds and ceramics of the latest generation on the serpentines of Yemen with RPG-7 are taking quite successfully.

        Give these lovers at least a “merkavu" with a "trophy" - and they will manage to apply it in the most advantageous way for the enemy. smile

        By the way, of all the recent local conflicts, Yemeni stands out for its wide and rather skillful use of anti-tank systems. Judging by the commercials, the operators work from such distances and from such shelters that their goals do not even see where they are firing from.
        1. slavaisrael
          slavaisrael 3 September 2015 21: 31 New
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          And here, the coming Saudis seem to have bad or very bad intelligence. Although the question remains, how many armored vehicles were destroyed? Judging by the fact that the Saudis are not particularly worried - not much. And while they continue to fight and do not cry.
  7. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 3 September 2015 14: 50 New
    +1
    Of course not against it. And excuse me for how long it takes to create new technological production. BMD-4 when they created the prototype. But with the beginning of mass production, the delay. Always has been and will be. The new one is always based on new technologies, and it takes time to master production. It’s beautiful only on paper.
  8. Tarpon
    Tarpon 3 September 2015 14: 52 New
    0
    Compared with the base machine, the effectiveness of the modernized "deuce" has increased several times.
    Fine! Until the arrival of new technology will serve!
  9. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 3 September 2015 14: 53 New
    0
    I do not think that the BMP-2 is a good alternative. But the modernized cars are still better than just the old ones. And so we are waiting for the BMP-4 and of course, "Kurganets" soldier
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 3 September 2015 15: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Alexey-74
      I do not think that the BMP-2 is a good alternative. But the modernized cars are still better than just the old ones. And so we are waiting for the BMP-4 and of course, "Kurganets"


      You are somewhat different ...
  10. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 3 September 2015 14: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Taygerus
    modernization is good, but the new park is still better

    I agree with you completely, but:
    Any upgrade is clearly cheaper than a new product.
    It is impossible to saturate the troops with new machines overnight.
    Modernization allows maintaining the combat effectiveness of units at an acceptable level until the completion of rearmament.
    After the new equipment enters the troops, the old, but modernized, much easier and more profitable to sell or put into storage is not a shame.
    In the event of a turmoil, crews from reservists are recruited with minimal time spent on retraining.

    Although I would like, of course, that the entire fleet of our armored vehicles be updated within a year. wink
  11. SAM 5
    SAM 5 3 September 2015 15: 09 New
    0
    Not on BMD-2 Taburetkina. Instantly I would cut, sell and buy from Hans or Frogs.
  12. Seriomilander
    Seriomilander 3 September 2015 15: 13 New
    0
    It is necessary to adapt the mounted armor from the BMD-4M, to enhance its capabilities to protect the crew after landing!
  13. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 3 September 2015 15: 27 New
    +3
    But for you about BMD-1 ...
    on the day of the 25th anniversary of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan, the grand opening of the BMD-1 monument took place in Samara. Also on this day, the laying of flowers at the memorial to soldiers-internationalists took place. The idea of ​​installing the BMD-1 in Samara arose last September, when the Samara school No. 64 was named after the Hero of Russia, Samara Vitaly Talabaev, who died heroically in the Caucasus in an airborne combat vehicle. The combat vehicle was delivered to our city from the Ryazan Airborne School. This machine fought in all the hot spots. Now one of them will stand forever in Samara
  14. andrewkor
    andrewkor 3 September 2015 15: 34 New
    +1
    and my factory is engaged in the remelting of unwound BMDshek corps and other military colormet (blocks D12,5TDF). Very informative. Surprised by the subtlety of aluminum armor.
  15. sv68
    sv68 3 September 2015 16: 16 New
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    But would an open-air sight be a good target for a sniper?
  16. roskot
    roskot 3 September 2015 17: 13 New
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    Prior to the arrival of new technology, the upgraded one will serve.
  17. Old26
    Old26 3 September 2015 21: 12 New
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    Quote: vorobey
    do not say this to anyone else ... or give an example ... tanks can be given as a means of amplification for a while, but to the state ...

    Really do not tell anyone ... But here 2sila absolutely right in saying that

    introduce tanks to the airborne units


    And indeed they are being introduced, moreover to the state [. From 2014-2015, the formation began SIX SEPARATE TAANK MOUTH on tanks T-72 as part of the airborne divisions (though where the sixth company will be attached - HZ). Their formation should be completed in 2018, a year earlier than the formation of the third landing regiment in divisions
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 3 September 2015 21: 46 New
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      Quote: Old26
      From 2014-2015, the formation of SIX SEPARATE TAANKA MOUTHES on T-72 tanks as part of the airborne divisions began (although the sixth company, the HZ, is to be added). Their formation should be completed in 2018, a year earlier than


      besides the words of shamanov I didn’t find information anywhere .. especially about T72 or did he mean octopuses .. can you give a link? You speak about companies and Shamans about OTB ... I will be glad to admit that I am wrong .. laughing Tanks seriously increase their firepower ... in 93, according to legend, our company with a battalion of marines reflected a landing in Kazachka ... 70% of the targets were hit by tanks .. the infantry was offended by us later ... they weren’t allowed to show off .. laughing
  18. Non-jumping
    Non-jumping 3 September 2015 22: 21 New
    +1
    By the way, the Kornet ATGM has long been necessary to install both on the BMD-4M and BMP-3, because their full-time ATGMs launched through the barrel of a 100mm gun against the frontal armor of modern Western tanks are useless. But it doesn’t reach someone, the situation is under the control of enemy influence agents (this option would also explain why exported BMP-3s, for example, come with 30mm elongated guns (increased range of effective destruction of lightly armored vehicles - which has long been asked by the Russian military), and to Russia, with the old short ones, why the exported T-90s or modernized T-72s go without holes in dynamic protection, with 40-mm automatic Russian grenade launchers (there are such) and Kord anti-aircraft machine guns, and to Russia - peeled off with a 7,62mm short-barrel machine guns on the roof (and Uralvagonzavod does not get tired of trying to get it right, and it’s not at all clear who commands whom: the military, the military-industrial complex, or vice versa), etc.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 3 September 2015 22: 25 New
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      Quote: non-jumping
      and to Russia - ragged with a 7,62mm short-barrel machine guns on the roof


      okstitsya my friend always UTES stood and stands ... do not confuse with cord

      and who and when put a 40mm grenade launcher on the tank ...
      1. Non-jumping
        Non-jumping 4 September 2015 11: 48 New
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        About a 40mm automatic grenade launcher - there was information that they were put for Arab customers (I was surprised at first), and instead of a cliff, the Uralvagon Zavod persistently for some reason promotes 7,62mm machine guns specifically for the Russian Ministry of Defense on the T-90CM, Armata and even the modernized Octopus-SDM-1. Moreover, it is known, for example, that all foreign customers who are interested in the T-90SM are not satisfied with the presence of a 7,62mm machine gun instead of the Cliff (obsolete by the way) and they plan to install a domestic and much more advanced Kord (the Cliff was made in Kazakhstan) and had a very low barrel resource)
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 4 September 2015 22: 27 New
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          Quote: non-jumping
          About a 40mm automatic grenade launcher - there was information that they were put for Arab customers (I was surprised at first), and instead of a cliff, the Uralvagon Zavod persistently for some reason promotes 7,62mm machine guns specifically for the Russian Ministry of Defense on the T-90CM, Armata and even the modernized Octopus-SDM-1. Moreover, it is known, for example, that all foreign customers who are interested in the T-90SM are not satisfied with the presence of a 7,62mm machine gun instead of the Cliff (obsolete by the way) and they plan to install a domestic and much more advanced Kord (the Cliff was made in Kazakhstan) and had a very low barrel resource)


          In service, the Soviet infantry received the NSVS easel machine gun on the Baryshev-Stepanov 6T7 tripod machine, and it’s four times less in mass than its predecessor, the DShKM. Also produced anti-aircraft installation ZPU NSV on the machine 6U6, which had a weight of 92,5 kg. The armored forces of the USSR adopted the tank modification NSVT for installation on the towers of the T-72, T-80, T-90 tanks and armored personnel carriers.

          The NSV machine gun was actively used by Soviet and Russian troops for over 30 years in all local conflicts. During the Afghan and both Chechen wars, heavy machine guns proved to be a very effective means of defense of roadblocks, automobiles and armored vehicles. In Chechnya, the NSV machine gun received the unofficial name “anti-sniper”. The power of the ammunition, as well as the availability of optics, made it possible to quickly suppress enemy sniper points.

          After the collapse of the USSR, the factories that produced the NSV machine gun ended up in independent states. It was required to establish the production of similar weapons in Russia. The talented designers of the design bureau of the Kovrov plant named after V. A. Degtyarev A. A. Namitulin, A. A. Kuznetsov, Yu. M. Bogdanov and V. I. Zhirokhin began to modernize the Utes clown machine gun.

          Since 1997, the machine gun was put into pilot production and adopted by the Russian army under the indices 6P50 (infantry modification) and 6P49 (tank). In the specialized literature, this sample is designated KORD ("Large-caliber weapons of the tarry"). In general, in terms of overall and combat characteristics, the new machine gun is similar to the NSV. Even outwardly they are similar. However, there were significant changes within the structure.
  19. Old26
    Old26 4 September 2015 22: 56 New
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    Quote: vorobey
    besides the words of shamanov I didn’t find information anywhere .. especially about T72 or did he mean octopuses .. can you give a link? You speak about companies and Shamans about OTB ... I’ll be glad to admit that I’m wrong .. Tanks seriously increase firepower ... in 93, according to legend, our company with a battalion of marines reflected a landing in Kazachka ... 70% of the targets were hit by tanks .. the infantry took offense at us still later .. they were not allowed to show off


    No problem. To begin with, an article from Wiki "Russian Airborne Forces.
    As of 2015, there are no regiments in the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation. The 38th communications regiment and the 45th special forces regiment were previously reorganized into brigades. According to statements by the commander of the airborne forces, Colonel General Shamanov, air assault units will strengthen six separate tank companies on the T-72.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D0%BE-%
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    0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

    It is more intelligible on the resource
    http://warfare.be/db/lang/rus/catid/239/linkid/2241/title/vozdushno-desantnye-vo
    yska- (vdv) /