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Russia is waiting

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I observe everything that is happening around Ukraine now and ask myself the same question: WHAT IS MOSCOW WAITING FOR?

Perform so-called. Minsk agreements?

So they will not be executed. Their text does not overlap with reality. The Minsk agreements are fiction. In principle, they cannot solve the problem of settling the conflict in the Donbas.

Moreover, they were not written for this and signed. Just now, the DPR and the LPR, as well as everything that happens around them, is only a trough for those to whom GDP has given a monopoly to solve the problem of Donbas. And the longer this problem will be solved, the more “solvers” will earn it.

I'm not talking about how much the Donbass is now worth Russia for money. Yes, it is much less than the price paid by the West for Ukraine, but this is undoubtedly a substantial amount.

And what about the losses that Russia bears in connection with the sanctions? Both financial and economic, and political. After all, there is no end to these sanctions. What the Americans are doing is in no way connected with the resolution of the conflict in the Donbas. The civil war in Ukraine is not the reason, but the reason for the attack against Russia. And the United States took advantage of this occasion. Thanks to the time received, they are looking for a weak point of the Russian Federation. And when you are looking for something for a very long time, you will find it sooner or later.

For the West, the situation with the Ukrainian problem is a convenient way to attack Russia. And make this attack your long strategy. He does not mind Ukraine. The United States and Europe will use it for their own purposes to the last Ukrainian. So far, nothing will remain of Ukraine.

What is Moscow waiting for? Lifting sanctions? Not. And the fool is clear that they will not be removed. Then what? Gain them to an unacceptable level of negative effects? And then what?

Maybe she is waiting for the collapse of Ukraine? Yes, the option is quite real. But only if it is intensively stimulated by all available means this collapse. However, Russia both sold and sells gas, coal, fuel, and electricity to Ukraine. In Ukraine, both Russian banks worked and work. Etc. etc. In fact, Moscow is involved in the extension of the Ukrainian agony. But is it in her interests? Is this in the interests of ordinary people in Ukraine?

Under current conditions, the agony of Ukraine can stretch out over many years. The peoples of Africa, Asia, and Latin America in a state of chronic agony have lived for decades. Therefore, the people of Ukraine will simply live in bloody shit and put up with the power that drove him into this shit. Because he has no choice.

But who else, if not Russia, can give him a choice?

However, Russia is waiting ...
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 4 September 2015 14: 28 New
    +10
    However, Russia is waiting ...

    But you can’t just watch how it all ends?
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 4 September 2015 14: 31 New
      +13
      Quote: Vladimirets
      However, Russia is waiting ...

      But you can’t just watch how it all ends?


      Hello Zheka ... I also didn’t understand the author’s thought ... what I wanted ... and again I mentioned about the feeders ... there are more question marks than a bukof ... well, she’s waiting .. and what ... let them run into me, eat up .. I went to Smirnov .. for a clear conscience ..
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 4 September 2015 14: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: vorobey
        Hi, hello ...

        Hi Sanya.
        Quote: vorobey
        I also didn’t understand the author’s thought ... he wanted it .. and again about the feeders he mentioned ... there are more question marks than a bukof ... well, he’s waiting .. and what ... let them run into, eat up ..

        I don’t understand why do we need to jump into the fire with our bare ass? The most interesting thing is to watch them rage when we sit upright.
        Quote: vorobey
        for a clear conscience ..

        Shaw, again ?? !! belay
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 4 September 2015 14: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Shaw, again ?? !!


          If you are bored ...
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 4 September 2015 15: 17 New
            0
            Quote: vorobey
            boring ..

            Which time?
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 4 September 2015 15: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Quote: vorobey
              boring ..

              Which time?


              lost ...
              1. the polar
                the polar 4 September 2015 17: 29 New
                +17
                The author’s thought is simple and understandable, but not everyone has the courage to admit it.
                According to our Putin, Russia has invested in Ukraine in various forms of 15 billion over 250 years !!!
                And in the end, it ... requested the most industrialized territory of the former USSR, putting it under the full and unconditional control of the USA and NATO.
                This is a state crime! But no one will answer for it, under the current regime, because these 250 billions were jointly sawn by Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs. Well indeed! Not about the Ukrainian people, and not even about the Russian, the Russian government cared, merging these colossal finances into Ukraine.
                Now that the enemy’s neo-Nazi-Bandera territory, ready for any military provocation, is located in 400 km from Moscow, the Kremlin has no choice but to pretend to be offended, who for many years waved his Western partners in sweat, trying to please them in everything, and his so filthy and cynical pulled.
                Andrei Vajra spoke very tactfully about all this.
                1. mervino2007
                  mervino2007 4 September 2015 18: 06 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Polar
                  there is nothing left but to pretend to be offended, who for many years in the sweat of his face waved to the Western partners, trying to please them in everything, and he was so viciously and cynically pulled.

                  A lot of questions to the policy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine. Obviously, there is a bet on the top there. It is rightly noticed - politics is determined by oligarchs on both sides. No serious analytics even smells here. The theory of the wise gudgeon is in action.
                2. Halfunra
                  Halfunra 4 September 2015 18: 54 New
                  +16
                  Something = ends meet do not fit. Russia from the day of the collapse of the USSR, probably skated like cheese in butter. Billions distributed. And they already forgot how much money was swapped for the first president. And take sovereignty as much as you want, you can and need to remember a lot and not invent and think out any garbage.
                  Vajara was a provocateur, he didn’t write anything significant, but he cast a shadow on the fence. hi
                3. lexa333
                  lexa333 4 September 2015 19: 09 New
                  +1
                  correct answer.
                4. Dmitry Donskoy
                  Dmitry Donskoy 4 September 2015 20: 10 New
                  +9
                  It's time to raise the Scarlet Banner, to drive all these liberals into the neck !!! TROUBLED THE SCUMBERS !!! am
                  Enough snot chewing !!! Begin at least something to DO at least within the COUNTRY !!!

                  I don’t understand one thing but why (!) In our country, the prices for everything have lifted up to the drain, which is simply nowhere to go. Is it difficult to understand that high energy prices are pulling everything up !!! Do we have gas ceased to produce or oil? or coal? or are nuclear plants?

                  For slow-thinking from power: what was born in the South-East of Ukraine will sweep you if you do not learn WORK! rather than STEAL
                  1. 16112014nk
                    16112014nk 4 September 2015 21: 01 New
                    -1
                    The strategy of anti-people’s power in Russia is capitalism, the market, privatization.
                    Strategy LDN-socialism, plan, nationalization.
                    The strategy of Kiev Ukraine is capitalism, war, privatization.
                    Who does Russia have more similarities with? Therefore, gas goes to Ukraine at a discount, and Sberbank in Ukraine supplies the junta with money. The authorities of Russia and Ukraine are anti-people, spiritually related. Do not entertain yourself with illusions. They are "Close people" - almost according to O. Henry.
                5. Tambov Wolf
                  Tambov Wolf 4 September 2015 20: 11 New
                  -4
                  You are right. There is nothing to add. Besides the news http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1602293/ Again, misunderstandings in the DPR.
                6. vorobey
                  vorobey 4 September 2015 22: 47 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Polar
                  The Kremlin has no choice but to pretend to be offended


                  portrays strongly?
                  1. Nikoha.2010
                    Nikoha.2010 4 September 2015 23: 14 New
                    +1
                    Quote: vorobey
                    portrays strongly?

                    Sasha, are you this? Are you a foreman? Or the second round, and go already in the third year of life went? I would have overtaken a pensioner with Ruslan in the weight category long ago! lol
                  2. Eternal Watch
                    Eternal Watch 4 September 2015 23: 15 New
                    +3
                    Quote: vorobey
                    portrays strongly?

                    yeah, with all my last urine fellow
                    the shirt is here, the prostitute is there ..., yo ... yo.
          2. captain
            captain 4 September 2015 16: 11 New
            +5
            Until the tax policy changes (taxes are paid not in Moscow, where the office is, but at the place of production or production), there will be no sense. Second, the regions must retain at least 60% of taxes. In the meantime, everyone is in Moscow, and then they beg for their money from the Moscow master. And on TV, everything is fine, because the language of the chat is not bags toss and turn.
            1. Thor
              Thor 4 September 2015 16: 58 New
              +7
              60%?
              Why not 70?)
              And let the Moscow region leave 60% for itself! And then half the country of subsidized regions on ..opu immediately sit down. I’m generally silent about the financing of state orders.
              Such ideas are surprising, we have a federation of semi-material, and not a bunch of small autonomous provinces of Papua Guinea ...
              1. Vladimir K
                Vladimir K 4 September 2015 18: 14 New
                +9
                This is not what they say to you. They say that taxes come to the budget of Moscow from firms and firms registered there. Production of many of them are in the regions. Social taxes and the local budget are leaking to the center. Therefore, for example, one metro station in a large city is built every 20 years, asphalt in the center is gouged, etc., etc. At the same time, the so-called foci, stadiums and other delights of the "company wave" (to the Olympiad or without). Where are the plants, where are the "local registration" productions capable of keeping the region without subsidies from the center?
                PS And as for the federation, there is nothing to worry about: the regions will be strong, the federation will be inextricable.
                1. IIIIvanov
                  IIIIvanov 4 September 2015 20: 07 New
                  0
                  Nonsense, do not know what to write about.
              2. KiR_RF
                KiR_RF 6 September 2015 18: 30 New
                -1
                [quote = Thor] 60%?
                Why not 70?)
                And let the Moscow region leave 60% for itself!

                And how much do you think they leave for themselves? wassat
                PS Moscow is not a city, but a "garbage can", there are some beggars who live, to whom all give, yes give. Therefore, I believe that the captain is talking +.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 6 September 2015 18: 32 New
                  -1
                  Quote: KiR_RF
                  And how much do you think they leave for themselves?

                  How much? Share a reference? Not to talk in vain?

                  Quote: KiR_RF
                  Moscow is not a city, but a "garbage can", there are some beggars who live, give them everything, give it

                  There are a couple of friends (buddies, say) from Moscow. Not beggars.

                  Keep a minus, for the future - please .. follow the words, yes wink
                  1. KiR_RF
                    KiR_RF 6 September 2015 18: 55 New
                    -1
                    There are no friends in Moscow, but there is an uncle who is not a senior official who explained to me very clearly that when sending money (taxes) to Moscow, less than a third of the funds sent are returned to the subject. yes
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 6 September 2015 19: 31 New
                      0
                      Quote: KiR_RF
                      there is an uncle an official of not a large link who explained everything to me very clearly

                      Stop wagging the priest and answer the initially asked question:

                      How many taxes collected in it keeps Moscow region?

                      You kind of hinted there that you know .. your uncle is not there sideways (this is a hint).
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            2. Thor
              Thor 4 September 2015 16: 58 New
              +1
              60%?
              Why not 70?)
              And let the Moscow region leave 60% for itself! And then half the country of subsidized regions on ..opu immediately sit down. I’m generally silent about the financing of state orders.
              Such ideas are surprising, we have a federation of semi-material, and not a bunch of small autonomous provinces of Papua Guinea ...
              1. captain
                captain 5 September 2015 09: 13 New
                -1
                And what does the Moscow region extract and produce? Can oil, gas, timber, coal, uranium, gold, fish, grain, meat, can planes, helicopters, ships, steel, cars, chemicals? Feeds the whole of Russia? In addition to cutting the budget, it does not produce anything, I apologize, there are some successes in the nuclear industry and even in the assembly. Federal taxes According to Art. 13. Tax Code of the Russian Federation to federal taxes and fees include:
                Federal taxes

                Federal taxes from 1 January 2005 years include:

                1) value added tax;

                Xnumx) excise taxes;

                3) personal income tax;

                4) single social tax;

                5) corporate income tax;

                6) mineral extraction tax;

                7) inheritance or gift tax;

                8) water tax;

                9) fees for the use of objects of the animal world and for the use of objects of aquatic biological resources;

                10) state duty

                Regional taxes

                Regional taxes from 1 January 2005 years include:

                1) property tax of organizations;

                2) tax on gambling business;

                3) transport tax.

                Thus, the list of regional taxes has been reduced to actually applicable taxes: excluded taxes are excluded - real estate tax; road tax; sales tax.

                Local taxes

                From January 1 to 2005, local taxes include:

                1) land tax;

                2) property tax for individuals. What remains in place?
                1. gjv
                  gjv 5 September 2015 10: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: captain
                  And what does the Moscow region extract and produce?

                  A significant number of defense industry enterprises operate on the territory of the city, among them:
                  State Space Research and Production Center named after M.V. Khrunichev
                  Production of the MiG RSK company (a third of the Russian Air Force fighters are developed and manufactured by MiG RSK)
                  The enterprises of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern (the largest are Almaz, Altair, Vanguard)
                  Tushino Machine-Building Plant
                  Rocket-building ICB Vympel
                  Moscow Machine-Building Enterprise named after V.V. Chernyshev
                  Of the civil proceedings, the largest:
                  Moscow Oil Refinery - a major producer, including for export, of petroleum products
                  Likhachev Plant - truck manufacturer approx. 10 thousand a year Avtoframos - Renault car assembly company approx. 60 thousand a year, on the territory of the former AZLK, Renault Logan is going to Avtoframos
                  Electrozavod - a large manufacturer of electric transformers and reactors
                  Moselektroshchit - manufacturer of electrical switchgears
                  Karacharovsky Mechanical Plant - production of lifting equipment
                  Factory "Moskabel"
                  Moscow Refinery
                  Three Mountain Manufactory
                  Moscow shipbuilding and ship repair plant
                  Moskhimpharmpreparat them. N. A. Semashko
                  Red October (confectionery factory)
                2. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 6 September 2015 19: 25 New
                  0
                  Quote: captain
                  А What does the Moscow region extract and produce? ... In addition to cutting the budget does not produce anything, I beg your pardon

                  Nuuuu .. dear, you hit.. poke at random: the city of Korolev MO:

                  RSC "Energy" named after C. P. Koroleva - space-rocket complexes (and not only. There are even quite civilian products).

                  Central Scientific Research Institute of Mechanical Engineering (TsNIIMASH) - designs, develops and researches rockets and spacecraft, it also houses the Mission Control Center (MCC).

                  Design Bureau of Chemical Engineering A. M. Isaeva - development of liquid rocket engines.

                  Research Institute of Space Systems. A. A. Maksimova - research and development of new equipment and promising technologies, such as space, energy-saving, monitoring of natural resources.

                  OJSC Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation (KTRV) - development of combat missile systems and aircraft systems.

                  NPO Composite OJSC - development and production of materials for rocket and space technology. There is a beryllium workshop in it, as well, for example. There they get this very beryllium ..

                  NGO Measuring equipment - the development of information-measuring systems and systems and other high-tech equipment.

                  And this is not even the whole of the former SredMash .. but there is also a pipe plant, an example, but a lot of different things ..

                  Quote: captain
                  What remains in place?

                  This is not for me. This is to the current legislation ..
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            4. IIIIvanov
              IIIIvanov 4 September 2015 20: 06 New
              +2
              You dear Rotmister are not up to date on the issue of paying taxes. I advise you to familiarize yourself with the tax code and international practice.
              Sincerely.
              1. captain
                captain 5 September 2015 08: 53 New
                0
                Dear IIIvanov SU, Maybe the late Primakov was not in the know? Before his death, he proposed 50% of the taxes collected in the regions to be left in place. We have in the Belgorod region. the bulk of enterprises are registered in Moscow, where the main taxes are paid.
            5. Cat man null
              Cat man null 6 September 2015 18: 55 New
              0
              Quote: captain
              Until the tax policy changes (taxes are paid not in Moscow, where the office is, but at the place of production or production)

              Quote: captain
              In the meantime, everything to Moscow

              Not "to Moscow", but "at the place of registration of the enterprise", feel the difference ..

              Quote: captain
              and then beg for their money from the Moscow master

              Have you personally participated? laughing

              The thing is, headquarters ... Artek was restored in the Crimea, the ferries were launched, the cable was pulled there so that they could get rid of Nenko - what kind of shisha do you think? Yes, on the very taxes that "to Moscow" ..

              Once again, they are building a spaceport, the Eastern one of which - on which shishi? Yes to the same ..

              - Not a single region will pull a state-building project - is that clear, I hope?
              - What kind of army is provided with? Yes, with the same ..
              - without these construction sites and the army (and much more, which is financed from the center) - there is no state .. is this also understandable?

              Quote: captain
              tongue chatting not tossing bags

              Exactly yes

              And also, before you chat with your tongue (or comment on comments) - you have to turn your brains.

              Although it is sometimes more difficult than tossing bags, yes ..
      2. Byshido_dis
        Byshido_dis 4 September 2015 14: 42 New
        +3
        So what? Wanted a war? So go to Donbass to you there all your romantic ideas about the war will be beaten out with blood and sweat. And then if you stay intact write ...
        1. Iskras
          Iskras 4 September 2015 15: 06 New
          +6
          This is not a romantic performance, but one of two or the author is dumb. or he has a delicate calculation. stir up the water. sow patriotic thoughts. let the Russian boys substitute for bullets ... no really ... we have our own state. Well, they hate the Russians so much, so let them understand
        2. inkass_98
          inkass_98 4 September 2015 15: 20 New
          +20
          Quote: Byshido_dis
          So go to the Donbass

          He just dumped from Rwinda, hence all the experiences. Purely humanly, his torment is understandable, but somehow Russia is not very eager to get into the war, whatever the hell would it be.
      3. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 4 September 2015 14: 46 New
        +4
        Quote: vorobey
        I also did not understand the author’s thought ... he wanted something .. and again he mentioned the feeders

        There are some individuals who like to be smart (I'm talking about the author of the article).
        Now I will explain with a simple example. I really don’t like some (and to be honest, almost all) DAM’s political decisions, but ... I can’t say (to be honest, honestly) that they are not correct, because to understand them you need to know all the ins and outs in this situation, and this is not given to us mere mortals in such matters. Therefore, to read such articles, just cheat yourself.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 4 September 2015 14: 53 New
          +9
          Quote: Oleg147741
          Therefore, to read such articles, just cheat yourself.


          but such articles are capable of turning public opinion ... the main thing is not the thought ... the main thing is to throw the seed of doubt ... we are all adults and probably noticed behind ourselves we only have to ask ourselves a question and suddenly not so ... everything .. the big cheats begin doubts are feverish and in the end it’s not even just a jamb, but a mantle looms in life .. laughing
          1. Karabanov
            Karabanov 4 September 2015 16: 10 New
            0
            Quote: vorobey
            the main thing is not the thought .. the main thing is to throw the seed of doubt ... we are all adults and probably noticed behind ourselves we only have to ask ourselves a question and suddenly not ... all ..

            The author of the article really has a blurry ending and the finale remains open ...
            Do we really feel good? I doubt it ... (type esquizmi laughing ) Here, and without external propaganda, you can verify this.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 4 September 2015 16: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: Karabanov
              Do we really feel good?


              and who claims this? let's out of solidarity with the Ukrainians do worse? laughing
        2. SHILO
          4 September 2015 15: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: Oleg147741
          There are some individuals who like to be smart ...


          That you yourself dear yes Believe me.
          1. BABAY22
            BABAY22 4 September 2015 17: 29 New
            +2
            Oleg 147741 said everything correctly.
            The author uses the tactics of street rally provocateurs. Tells the crowd how bad things are, then asks a bunch of questions. And supposedly the crowd itself must give an answer to these questions, although these answers have long been spelled out in the script.
            And then the rebellion, as they say, is meaningless and merciless.
            Well, and the provocateur because of the backs of the crowd is watching everything that happens.
          2. Oleg14774
            Oleg14774 5 September 2015 14: 46 New
            0
            Quote: SHILO
            That you yourself dear Believe me.

            Sorry about you! And I won’t believe you!
        3. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 4 September 2015 16: 50 New
          +5
          Oleg, DAM’s decisions are liked exclusively by narrow circles of people, such as the red-headed Tolyan and others like them. As for the author, I have one question for him:
          And what are you waiting for Andrey Vajra?
          1. the polar
            the polar 4 September 2015 17: 45 New
            0
            And he is naive this Andrei Vajra, he thinks that in the Kremlin such patriots all of themselves have settled in, who, for the sake of the Fatherland and the welfare of the people, are ready to take off their last shirt. And they think exclusively about how to crush the oligarchy and secure the borders of Russia right up to Poland, crushing the Nazi-Bandera reptile in the bud, until it grew into a neo-Nazi war machine, led by the new "Hitler".
            And along the way, give the opportunity to Ukrainians, as fraternal people to build a normal life without oligarchs and Nazis
      4. shtanko.49
        shtanko.49 4 September 2015 15: 01 New
        +10
        I think the work on the situation in Ukraine is ongoing, all possible options are pumped up and many questions are classified. It is not necessary to say that Russia is waiting and does nothing, the war with the West has been going on for a long time and the one who is more patient can win. win, there is still much to do to win.
        1. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf 4 September 2015 20: 17 New
          -3
          All the secrets are hidden in the gym in Sochi. It was not for nothing that the guarantor and iPhone watched them under a bicycle simulator. Even from the secretary of defense.
      5. Scoun
        Scoun 4 September 2015 15: 51 New
        +9
        Quote: vorobey
        Well, waiting .. and Th ... let them run into, eat up ..

        It’s just that many people are accustomed to Russia running ahead of the “steam locomotive” and still wiping the nozzles .... but in reality ... LET'S ATTITUDE !!! I really feel sorry for the people ... but when when she gets to the Russian ban on laces made of sloppy synthetics and goes onto the Maidan with a poster, I’m pumping pants with lace ... and then she runs to work in Russia .... and her hunt for the nostril pull up and say - go download du.ra in your lace on the barma of Europe! Why did you jump here ?!
        They hayat crap and accept and caress them?
        It was
        Passed
        Russia is now just waiting ... the boiler is boiling ... let it be cooked into something completely and become something ... at least porridge, at least porridge .. otherwise fish are not meat .. these are hats.


        Phew .. talked out ...
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    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 4 September 2015 14: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      However, Russia is waiting ...

      What else do you want? Some Vajra wants a big and bloody war? Let it be better in limbo for now. The current political impotent people still will not solve this issue. Only new faces in both the Russian and Ukrainian political elite can solve this problem.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 4 September 2015 14: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        And what else is needed


        Nikolai ... where did you disappear .. hello .. hi


        Quote: baltika-18
        Only new faces in both the Russian and Ukrainian political elite can solve this problem.


        you don’t imagine yourself hoping, it’s about the Russian elite ... there are doubts about the Ukrainian one too .. I don’t see anyone there .. well, except that Mishiko really dares .. laughing
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 4 September 2015 14: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          vorobey

          Greetings, Alexander.
          Quote: vorobey
          you don’t imagine yourself hoping, it’s about the Russian elite ... there are doubts about the Ukrainian one too .. I don’t see anyone there .. well, except that Mishiko really dares ..

          But I’m sure that everything will change. New people will come. And in 2020 there will already be a single state, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 4 September 2015 14: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: baltika-18
            But I’m sure that everything will change. New people will come. And in 2020 there will already be a single state, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus.


            your words, yes to God’s ears .. Nikolai .. drinks
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 4 September 2015 15: 29 New
              +7
              Quote: vorobey
              your words yes to God’s ears .. Nikolai.

              Look, Alexander. Did it take a lot of time to become enemies? Two years in total. Even on May 9, 2013, the Russian flag was carried at the parade in Kiev along with the Ukrainian one. Massive propaganda on both sides did its job. All enemies.
              Now let’s imagine that at some point in time in these three countries certain Ivanov, Ivanenko, Ivanchuk come to power. The guys with the same thoughts and ideas, settle the conflict (it’s not difficult, the desire and will of the leadership), begin rapprochement of countries, deploy propaganda on 180 degrees. How long does it take to become friends again? Also 2-3 years.
              Politicians, corrupt journalists and media clowns are to blame for the current war.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 4 September 2015 15: 43 New
                +5
                Quote: baltika-18
                Now let’s imagine that at some point in time in these three countries certain Ivanov, Ivanenko, Ivanchuk come to power. The guys with the same thoughts and ideas, settle the conflict (it’s not difficult, the desire and will of the leadership), begin rapprochement of countries, deploy propaganda on 180 degrees. How long does it take to become friends again? Also 2-3 years.


                Nikolai would have listened and listened .. you are an idealist romantic ... pay attention to how fast the assets are being canceled and under what guarantees loans are taken .. as a result, the owners of overseas newspaper plants and their governors will not let this happen ... you but you yourself see with us and without war what clan struggle is going on ..
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 4 September 2015 16: 44 New
                  0
                  Quote: vorobey
                  Nikolai would listen and listen .. you are an idealist romantic.

                  Yes, probably....
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  Against the current background, it is very difficult to bring such people to power.

                  Let's wait a bit. I think by the end of the year it will be clear how events will develop further and what surprises life has prepared for us.
                  Believe always in the best.
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  In the best case, you need to add zeros to the right of these numbers. It’s not for nothing that the puppeteers pour blood when the blood of relatives was spilled and the perpetrators were declared a thousand times very difficult to prove the opposite, it’s very difficult to convince a person that everything was in vain, that a friend or relative died in vain, this is called a gap

                  No, there is an option to speed up the process. This is already a question from the field of human psychology.
              2. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 4 September 2015 16: 25 New
                +2
                Quote: baltika-18
                Ivanov, Ivanenko, Ivanchuk. Guys with the same thoughts and ideas, settle the conflict (this is not difficult, the desire and will of the leadership)

                Against the current background, it is very difficult to bring such people to power.
                Quote: baltika-18
                How long does it take to become friends again? Also 2-3 years.

                In the best case, you need to add zeros to the right of these numbers. It’s not for nothing that the puppeteers pour blood when the blood of those close to them has been shed and the perpetrators have been declared guilty of it; it is very difficult to prove the opposite; it is very difficult to convince a person that everything was in vain, that a friend or relative died in vain, this is called a template break.
        2. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 4 September 2015 16: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          you don’t imagine yourself hoping, it’s about the Russian elite ... there are doubts about the Ukrainian one too .. I don’t see anyone there .. well, except that Mishiko really dares ..

          if about Mishiko, then he smiled very much ... repeat remember 08,08,08. and how it ended? I’m very afraid of a repeat of the situation and further according to the scenario ... am
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 4 September 2015 21: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Victor Demchenko
            remember 08,08,08. and how did it end?


            again, let's go to Tbilisi and before reaching stop in Kiev? repeat
        3. Revolver
          Revolver 4 September 2015 22: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          Well, except that Mishiko really dares ..
          If he himself does not choke on a tie ... But a tie can still turn out to be hemp, and there are many who want to give and tie this tie to him.
    4. Proxor_P
      Proxor_P 4 September 2015 14: 47 New
      +5
      Here such an option is possible: Ukrainians (in the sense of Russophobia and anti-Russianness) in Ukraine have gained such strength in the souls of Ukrainians that a long-term and sustainable cure is possible only through Catharsis, through some suffering, and NOT accepting the stages of a humanitarian catastrophe. And here quick decisions like collapsing the economy or, especially, military intervention will not help (this - on the contrary, will cause a new layer of hatred for Russia). Apparently accepted option self-healing... This, of course, assumptions - no more ...
      1. Temples
        Temples 4 September 2015 14: 55 New
        +4
        What does the author expect from his article?
        No, not so ... - WHAT does the author expect?

        I observe everything that is happening around Ukraine now and ask myself the same question: WHAT IS MOSCOW WAITING FOR?


        I read and ask myself the question "Why does the author write?"
        1. Mareman Vasilich
          Mareman Vasilich 4 September 2015 15: 14 New
          +8
          The author simply believes that Russia must bomb everyone.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 4 September 2015 15: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: Mareman Vasilich
            The author simply believes that Russia must bomb everyone.


            why all then .. it is necessary to approach this issue exclusively .. repeat
          2. DenZ
            DenZ 4 September 2015 15: 49 New
            +5
            I do not think that the author thinks so. But he asks the questions correct and timely. It is precisely such questions that come to mind. And despite the fact that there is no answer to them, it is worth a lot to ask the right question.
            1. Karabanov
              Karabanov 4 September 2015 16: 20 New
              +2
              Quote: DenZ
              It is worth a lot to ask the right question.

              Exactly. But I am afraid that we will not hear the correct and adequate answer. So you have to think out yourself. Well, the authorities only make it worse ...
              1. DenZ
                DenZ 4 September 2015 16: 58 New
                +1
                I believe now our government is now not at all simple, but such is its share, to make decisions that would ensure the security of the state and not lead the country into a dead end. We are waiting ... We hope for the best.
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        2. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 4 September 2015 15: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Temples
          I read and ask myself the question "Why does the author write?"


          If you look at it from a certain angle, the article is provocative. Yes, and who is the author? Where did it come from that it so freely wishes to change public opinion?
          In general, it would not hurt the moderators not only to look in our words for mats and other underlying reasons, but to pass through the sieve the most provocative articles. Too many empty breeds ... and other .... provocateurs such as:
          1. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 4 September 2015 16: 25 New
            +2
            in the sense of censorship? can we wait?
          2. DenZ
            DenZ 4 September 2015 17: 03 New
            +4
            I see nothing provocative in the article. The author simply asks questions, trying to look into the future, but for obvious reasons, the future is uncertain. Or is everything clear to you, it is clear how and how all this confrontation will end? For example, I don’t understand. Can enlighten the wretched?
          3. the polar
            the polar 4 September 2015 17: 57 New
            -3
            Quote: AleksUkr


            If you look at it from a certain angle, the article is provocative.

            And you tie up with this matter, then you will stand upright, not swinging and looking at everyone not "from some angle", but as it should be.
    5. cuzmin.mihail2013
      cuzmin.mihail2013 4 September 2015 15: 49 New
      +7
      No, Russia cannot wait, they are children, and cannot be responsible for their actions! Therefore, instead of punishing, we also encourage Ukraine to the ultimate demand for Russia. Not long ago, it was only heard from various dignitaries: "Ukraine will not receive gas discounts."
      Or maybe someone will explain to a stupid Russian what it is:
      Moscow. 4 September. INTERFAX.RU - Russia is ready to offer Ukraine a discount on gas in the fourth quarter, while the price will be at the level of prices for neighboring countries, for example, Poland, Ukraine’s Energy Minister Alexander Novak said on the Russia 24 television channel. But Kiev has not yet applied for a discount.
      He did not talk about a specific price level, noting that it would be "slightly lower" than the prices for the third quarter proposed by Ukraine.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 4 September 2015 15: 57 New
        -4
        Quote: cuzmin.mihail2013
        Or maybe someone will explain to a stupid Russian what it is:
        Moscow. 4 September. INTERFAX.RU - Russia is ready to offer Ukraine a discount on gas in the fourth quarter, while the price will be at the level of prices for neighboring countries, for example, Poland, Ukraine’s Energy Minister Alexander Novak said on the Russia 24 television channel. But Kiev has not yet applied for a discount.

        For some reason you post it for the second time today .. this is so, by the way ..

        And now - the question is .. um ... Russian: do you really think that this "discount" is given to Ukraine simply "for beautiful eyes"? And what is next to it, with Ukraine and the Russian Federation, Germany is not standing, for example, which really does not want Ukraine .. um ... to rush gas that passes through it, Ukraine, to Germany from the Russian Federation?

        Answer yourself to these (simple) questions, and much will immediately become clearer .. yes
        1. avt
          avt 4 September 2015 16: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          ? And what is next to it, with Ukraine and the Russian Federation, Germany is not standing, for example, which really does not want Ukraine .. um ... to rush gas that flows through it, Ukraine, to Germany from the Russian Federation?

          And if you add to this the recently signed documents on “Nord Stream 2?” There is a Game, the Big Game of which players’s moves are sometimes not clear due to the lack of information for complete understanding. Here is the author and will be hysterical. And the guy will tell him the essence of this or that move Which will lead to a situation of advantage of one of the Players? laughing Not - one thing is certain he can say - the outcome of the game. ,, Only when everyone dies, only then will the Big Game end. "Well, attempts to find out something are clear ----- ,, Therefore, the people of Ukraine will simply live in bloody crap and endure the power that drove him into it. Because he has no choice.

          But who else, if not Russia, can give him a choice?

          However, Russia is waiting ... "--------- Well, where to hurry then ??? Each step brings death, again, why bother for the sake of it ?, Has the people of Ukraine ripened?" The same author has no answer, and picking a green fruit can lead to poison. So Russia is in no hurry, as Yukren has Europ. We can wait, and then the whole herd, “universal” ... The main thing now is to chew everything thoroughly for good digestion. laughing
    6. SHILO
      4 September 2015 15: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      But you can’t just watch how it all ends?


      Not. It is impossible. Because the whole story is not about dill, but about Russia.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 4 September 2015 16: 26 New
        0
        Quote: SHILO
        Because the whole story is not about dill, but about Russia.

        Not likely at this time.
        1. SHILO
          4 September 2015 19: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Not likely at this time.


          I am also glad to live in illusions ... good fellow
      2. Babr
        Babr 4 September 2015 16: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: SHILO
        Quote: Vladimirets
        But you can’t just watch how it all ends?


        Not. It is impossible. Because the whole story is not about dill, but about Russia.

        I don’t understand at all. As you can observe from the side, your brother or sister is being bullied.
        Well, yes, they have already been recorded in "not when we will not be brothers."
        Vladimir, you’ll just watch, with popcorn under your arm, you’ll be left without your loved ones.
        1. SHILO
          4 September 2015 16: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Babr
          I don’t understand at all. As you can observe from the side, your brother or sister is being bullied.
          Well, yes, they have already been recorded in "not when we will not be brothers."
          Vladimir, you’ll just watch, with popcorn under your arm, you’ll be left without your loved ones.


          drinks hi Propaganda my friend is doing his job ... recourse
          1. Babr
            Babr 4 September 2015 16: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: SHILO
            Propaganda my friend is doing his job

            But we are warriors, albeit sofa. lol
            1. Eternal Watch
              Eternal Watch 4 September 2015 17: 10 New
              +2
              Quote: Babr
              albeit sofa.

              good drinks
              1. Babr
                Babr 4 September 2015 17: 51 New
                +2
                Stop giggling.
                To kill the body, this is one thing, to kill the soul and mind, it is worse. Plato is my friend, but truth is more precious. tongue
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 4 September 2015 16: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Babr
          . As can be seen from the outside, how your brother or sister is being bullied.

          These are beautiful words, however, who are we really helping brother or sister (LDNR).
          Quote: Babr
          Vladimir, you’ll just watch, with popcorn under your arm, you’ll be left without your loved ones.

          Are there any real suggestions? Without pathos and ornate slogans? Send troops? Move to Kiev? And who will we really be after that for all of Ukraine and even for sympathizers from other countries? For, even not very badly injured, the inhabitants of Ukraine there will really be “get up a huge country” and dispel all doubts about who the enemy is. What exactly do you offer, other than slogans? No, until it reaches them, it’s impossible to decide by force, alas.
          1. Babr
            Babr 4 September 2015 17: 18 New
            +3
            Vladimir. I didn’t want to offend anything.
            I'm sorry.
            There is a suggestion.
            Bring Ukraine and Russia to a common denominator.
            THINK THESE WORDS
            "In the old days in Russia, a popular gathering was gathering. People debated, searched for solutions to problems. And worked out an image of the future. A unanimous decision acquired tremendous spiritual strength, which we call collegiality. And this power helped the rulers find the best solutions for everyone."
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 4 September 2015 17: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Babr
              Vladimir. I didn’t want to offend anything.
              I'm sorry.

              Yes, everything is fine, why should I be offended.
              Quote: Babr
              THINK THESE WORDS
              "In the old days in Russia, a popular gathering was gathering. People debated, searched for solutions to problems. And worked out an image of the future. A unanimous decision acquired tremendous spiritual strength, which we call collegiality. And this power helped the rulers find the best solutions for everyone."

              This is all beautiful and true, only you understand that this is utopia, and even in those ancient times the veche was far from everywhere.
              1. Babr
                Babr 4 September 2015 18: 06 New
                0
                Quote: Vladimirets
                what is utopia

                Eugene, in order to defame something, it is necessary to ridicule it. The law of mind control.
                So the word "utopia" refers to this.
                So do not pay attention to him.
                If the soul is not against my words (by the way, not mine, but I support), follow them and we will succeed.
              2. vorobey
                vorobey 4 September 2015 21: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: Vladimirets
                This is all beautiful and true, only you understand that this is utopia, and even in those ancient times the veche was far from everywhere.


                I propose to collect the veche in classmates ... although there already every evening is such a veche. constructive and pours first one way then the other laughing
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets 4 September 2015 21: 54 New
                  +1
                  Quote: vorobey
                  constructive and pours first one way then the other

                  And an hour later, head over heels in the construct. yes
        3. vorobey
          vorobey 4 September 2015 16: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Babr
          Vladimir, you'll just watch


          There is always a choice ... or you are not just watching .. but angrily condemning it ... well, this is the difference ... almost a feat .. crying
          1. Babr
            Babr 4 September 2015 17: 30 New
            +2
            To my great regret, I'm just watching.
            Cost of age. I’m sorry ... I’m not guilty !!!! Damn.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 4 September 2015 17: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: Babr
              To my great regret, I'm just watching.
              Cost of age. I’m sorry ... I’m not guilty !!!! Damn.


              otzh ... when I talked .. and the guys found out that I have four children .. said openly sit dad at home ... also sitting .. watching ..
              1. Babr
                Babr 4 September 2015 18: 28 New
                +3
                Quote: vorobey
                otzh ... when I talked .. and the guys found out that I have four children ..

                Yeah .. green .. I'm already a 7-time grandfather.
                But a year ago he was giving odds to young people. And now, on the couch.
                The heart breaks there, and the body says, sit old on the couch. crying
    7. Persistent
      Persistent 4 September 2015 16: 30 New
      +1
      But you can’t just watch how it all ends?

      Now they will not be up to the DNI and LC !!! The junta in Kiev fights because of posts and handouts amers ...
    8. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 4 September 2015 17: 29 New
      +1
      Just short and clear! They will strangle themselves with embroidered shirts, then they will start asking for help when Europe becomes clear from this menagerie and stops covering them. We must wait, we must.
    9. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 4 September 2015 22: 38 New
      +2
      Just watch while people die in the Donbass, and the elderly starve without pensions?
    10. Rus2012
      Rus2012 4 September 2015 23: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      However, Russia is waiting ...

      What is Moscow waiting for?
      .
      In the current conditions, the agony of Ukraine can last for many years.


      He waits until he completes independent energy channels (electricity, gas) in Crimea past the ruins. 2year left ...
      Well, it looks that all this time will be happening at the ruin ...
      And if 3,14ndostan merges during this time - all of our "former" and "non-former" - will crawl on their knees in tear and kiss their feet. He will think - to forgive or to send with God. Everything goes to this ...
  2. Tanais
    Tanais 4 September 2015 14: 31 New
    +4
    Judging by the photo, Russia is somewhere far away from us, in the Rocky Mountains, on the highway ...
    1. Loner_53
      Loner_53 4 September 2015 14: 43 New
      +3
      Yeah, hitchhiking she will go to you for a long time repeat
  3. Engineer
    Engineer 4 September 2015 14: 31 New
    +1
    What is the article about? About nothing! Is Russia waiting? What? The author does not know. Why then write?
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 4 September 2015 14: 35 New
      +9
      Quote: Engineer
      than an article? About nothing! Is Russia waiting? What? The author does not know. Why then write?


      The author does not know, “What is waiting for Russia,” I do not know, maybe you know?

      Why write? ? ? And this is elementary, there is such a technique that allows you to make the reader START THINK ...

      Not everything is "chewed up" ... Sometimes the reader should think about it. Himself ...
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 4 September 2015 15: 41 New
        0
        The author himself answered. This conflict is more expensive for the West. fellow
  4. Flinky
    Flinky 4 September 2015 14: 33 New
    +2
    Vajra will not wait for us to conquer them again. The cat left the kittens - let them ... whatever they want.
  5. sever.56
    sever.56 4 September 2015 14: 37 New
    0
    "Horses mixed in a bunch, people" ...
    Again, the "author" of the humpback sculpts ...! Does he propose to immediately declare war on Ukraine, the states and all of Europe? We already know about sanctions without it, the fact that the people of Ukraine are in the "bloody crap" too. The author is a golem provocateur, but his provocations look so ridiculous that they are not even worth serious comments ...! negative
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 4 September 2015 14: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: sever.56
      "Horses mixed in a bunch, people" ...
      Again, the "author" of the humpback sculpts ...! Does he propose to immediately declare war on Ukraine, the states and all of Europe?

      Other ways to change the regime in Kiev does not exist?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 4 September 2015 14: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Tanais
        Other ways to change the regime in Kiev does not exist?


        who should do this? Moscow? she is a recognized aggressor ... if you still have to share how ..

        the issue of electricity and gas is not touching yet ... laughing
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 4 September 2015 14: 56 New
          +5
          Quote: vorobey
          who should do this? Moscow? she is a recognized aggressor ... if you still have to share how ..


          I told you about this, the author repeats: Stop wallowing wassat "both ours and yours", remove the bonds of "Minsk", provide support with modern weapons systems, since the "aggressor" ...

          Help arrange for the junta and the United States, a second Vietnam ...

          Notice, I didn’t "touch" energy sources, banking sector, etc. ...
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 4 September 2015 15: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: Tanais
            remove the bonds "Minsk


            Quote: Tanais
            Help arrange for the junta and the United States, a second Vietnam ...


            yes, you don’t have the strength .. I brought you the layouts and the rest of Ukraine will not rise looking at you until the gut in the stomach shows no blow ... Dear you, my man, let me be a simpleton in your eyes who doesn’t understand anything, but ... there is a time for everything .. As soon as Europe loses its favor then the time comes ... the work in this direction has been done and huge will be done ... Nikolay Baltik 18 ask (he calls me Putinistus, I don’t mind, although he doesn’t mind wrong) two years ago we were arguing now I saw him again ... As soon as Russia is sure that the EU takes at least a neutral position then the time comes to act .. and you get distracted from yourself and see how frankly bring down Germany .. recent events with refugees in Budapest and the Germans’s patient is not like ours ..
      2. sever.56
        sever.56 4 September 2015 14: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Tanais
        Other ways to change the regime in Kiev does not exist?


        Address this question to the "author" and the people of Ukraine.
      3. Cat man null
        Cat man null 4 September 2015 15: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Tanais
        Other ways to change the regime in Kiev does not exist?

        Not a joke, however, it is interesting:

        - displace Poroshenko, probably technically easy even .. because "all people are mortal"
        - the question is - who will come in return?
        - the question is - will this someone be a more sane politician (just don’t say right away that “it can't be worse” .. “Maybe it can ..”)?

        Do you know the answers? I here - no ..
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 4 September 2015 15: 30 New
          +5
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Do you know the answers? I here - no ..

          It is not necessary to change the "figures", it is necessary to change the "board", or rather to knock out the economic and financial platform from under the junta. And not by such "cute" methods as the Russian Federation is now operating, but by a systematic and harsh (HARREST!) Asphyxiation. By the way, the time from the beginning of the war, but what was there, THE REVOLUTION HAS BEEN ...

          How is it used? Rationally? With knowledge of business, or anyhow?

          A map of the "stubs" of the DPR and LPR, and some kind of readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, says NO ...

          And it should be completely wrong ...
    2. Karabanov
      Karabanov 4 September 2015 16: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: sever.56
      The author is a golem provocateur, but his provocations look so ridiculous that they are not even worth serious comments ...!

      I admit, between the lines there is a desire to pay attention to internal problems.
      Something was remembered ... Would you go to a dentist who has decayed teeth?
      And let's say frankly - Russia in terms of corruption has not gone far from Ukraine. Only here is the scale of a different and more natural resources. And we will never solve an external problem until internal contradictions are resolved. And they are well known.
      All this pathos and calls is focused on the enemy from the outside. At the same time when the state is sick from the inside, not to see it, to encourage and at the same time to declare your patriotism from the stands is the greatest cynicism and hypocrisy.
      1. the polar
        the polar 4 September 2015 18: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Karabanov

        And let's say frankly - Russia in terms of corruption has not gone far from Ukraine. Only here is the scale of a different and more natural resources. And we will never solve an external problem until internal contradictions are resolved. And they are well known.
        All this pathos and calls is focused on the enemy from the outside. At the same time when the state is sick from the inside, not to see it, to encourage and at the same time to declare your patriotism from the stands is the greatest cynicism and hypocrisy.

        Well said, highlighted the main problem.
        But here more than half of the commentators are not capable of objective analysis, and they will not understand.
  6. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 4 September 2015 14: 41 New
    +7
    "... However, Russia has both sold and is selling gas, coal, fuel, and electricity to Ukraine. Russian banks have worked and are working in Ukraine."

    And the government of the Russian Federation subsidized banks, and those, in turn, subsidized subsidiaries in Ukraine, and what will Russia expect in this case?
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 4 September 2015 14: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: rosarioagro
      And the government of the Russian Federation subsidized banks, and those, in turn, subsidized subsidiaries in Ukraine, and what will Russia expect in this case?

      Profits from the "daughters"?
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 4 September 2015 14: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: rosarioagro
      And the government of the Russian Federation subsidized banks, and those, in turn, subsidized subsidiaries in Ukraine, and what will Russia expect in this case?


      In addition to Sberbank, tell us which banks operate in Ukraine ..
      1. Eternal Watch
        Eternal Watch 4 September 2015 14: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: vorobey
        In addition to Sberbank, tell us which banks operate in Ukraine ..

        in my opinion, it’s still VTB, but it doesn’t matter, it’s important that these two largest banks of the Russian Federation are NOT in the Crimea, i.e. on the outskirts there, but on the territory of Russia no!
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 4 September 2015 15: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: Eternal Watch
          in my opinion, it’s still VTB, but it doesn’t matter, it’s important that these two largest banks of the Russian Federation are NOT in the Crimea, i.e. on the outskirts there, but on the territory of Russia no!

          MOPankles forMOPpoke lol , on its own territory ... A-II-I ...
          1. Eternal Watch
            Eternal Watch 4 September 2015 15: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: Tanais
            SANCTIONS PICK lol, on their own territory ... A-II-I ...

            on the other hand, the cheeks are inflated with a krymnyaya yashshsh, and in order to withdraw money from the Sberov card, Nuna through the crossing, coast-left, coast-right.
            It would seem that 15 minutes, but no, the heavily used Bush Greek ferries, with quickly painted names, are not very suitable for transporting people, elevators do not work, there are four steep iron stairs leading to the cargo deck along the sides, and people with children and suitcases. ..etc. etc.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 4 September 2015 16: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Eternal Watch
              heavily used greek ferries


              do not grind the blizzard about strongly bushy .. 93 -95 years ..
              Quote: Eternal Watch
              for transporting people are not very suitable, elevators do not work, on the sides are four steepest iron


              Yemsky and Kerch2 in this respect have succeeded more ... you didn’t live at the crossing for two days that year .. and I hung there from spring .. euphoria ended?
            2. the polar
              the polar 4 September 2015 18: 33 New
              +2
              Well, if our “great mighty and unsurpassed” cannot force the so-called “state banks” VTB and Sberbank, which violate the constitutional rights of Russian citizens, to stop the segregation of Crimeans on a territorial basis, then he is de facto a “president with limited powers”, working under control financial oligarchy.
        2. vorobey
          vorobey 4 September 2015 15: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Eternal Watch
          Quote: vorobey
          In addition to Sberbank, tell us which banks operate in Ukraine ..

          in my opinion, it’s still VTB, but it doesn’t matter, it’s important that these two largest banks of the Russian Federation are NOT in the Crimea, i.e. on the outskirts there, but on the territory of Russia no!


          I already mentioned banks in the Crimea .. there is a clear strategy .. RNKB occupies the offices of Sberbank subsidiaries and almost immediately came under sanctions from the Crimea ... RNKB is the landing party that prepared the bridgehead for Sberbank .. I think Sberbank will be entering at the same time .. look at the colors and logos of Sberbank and RNKB ... that’s briefly so.

          not a single private bank from Russia in Ukraine is a risk ..
          1. Eternal Watch
            Eternal Watch 4 September 2015 15: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: vorobey
            this is briefly so.

            not quite so, also briefly ...
            As long as the Russian Federation does not have its own payment system, then .... what kind of sovereignty can be discussed if, for example, real sanctions are imposed tomorrow ..., and not the bugbear that is used to fool the townsfolk ...
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 4 September 2015 15: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: Eternal Watch
              While the Russian Federation will not have its own payment system, then ....


              but the task is set ... the foreign lobby is slowing down, but is the process going on?
              1. Eternal Watch
                Eternal Watch 4 September 2015 16: 11 New
                +2
                Quote: vorobey
                but is the process going?

                drinks
                as the famous character said: "The main thing to start and the process will go" lol
                I’ll tell you right away the situation in Crimea is not ice .., the prices came completely Russian with a plus of 20 percent, but zp and pensions for now ......
                People are scalded by prices (I don’t take those who rent housing, they don’t seem to care “red” or “white” anyway), minibuses are now 10 rubles each (for the continental RF garbage), and locals start to buzz, but when housing and communal services prices will tighten, here the "fun" will begin ..
                Now for kopeck piece in Kerch housing and communal services about 1 thousand per month. wink but the process has begun ...
                1. Tanais
                  Tanais 4 September 2015 16: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: Eternal Watch
                  Now for kopeck piece in Kerch housing and communal services about 1 thousand per month. but the process has begun ...

                  The process WHERE? To improvement, or ...
                  1. Eternal Watch
                    Eternal Watch 4 September 2015 16: 21 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Tanais
                    The process WHERE? To improvement, or ...

                    We have a process, starting with the labeled one that constantly goes along one route what
                    1. Tanais
                      Tanais 4 September 2015 16: 27 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Eternal Watch
                      We have a process, starting with the labeled one that constantly goes along one route

                      Tear the skin from the people.

                      I understood you...
                2. vorobey
                  vorobey 4 September 2015 16: 35 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Eternal Watch
                  Quote: vorobey
                  but is the process going?

                  drinks
                  as the famous character said: "The main thing to start and the process will go" lol
                  I’ll tell you right away the situation in Crimea is not ice .., the prices came completely Russian with a plus of 20 percent, but zp and pensions for now ......
                  People are scalded by prices (I don’t take those who rent housing, they don’t seem to care “red” or “white” anyway), minibuses are now 10 rubles each (for the continental RF garbage), and locals start to buzz, but when housing and communal services prices will tighten, here the "fun" will begin ..
                  Now for kopeck piece in Kerch housing and communal services about 1 thousand per month. wink but the process has begun ...


                  I also know the situation in Crimea well .. I have a mother-in-law in Simferopol and have been there for almost the entire 14 year since spring ... and this year but less often ... and who said that the ice will be ... immediately and eternal ... given that for 23 years Crimea was drained and you know it perfectly .. I served in the 90s there and there is something to compare .. one road is Kerch - Feodosia is in good shape ... yes everywhere, to the Khokhlyat border it’s the same sloppiness ... I’m silent about whose industry has practically disappeared in Crimea over the years ... but there were flagships ..
                  1. Eternal Watch
                    Eternal Watch 4 September 2015 16: 40 New
                    +2
                    Quote: vorobey
                    one road is Kerch - Feodosia is in good shape as it is ... yes everywhere there is the same vigilance to the Khokhlyat border ... I am silent about the industry which has practically disappeared in Crimea over the years ... and there were flagships ..

                    totally agree
          2. Tanais
            Tanais 4 September 2015 15: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: vorobey
            I'm talking about banks in Crimea already .. there is a clear strategy ..

            You probably missed one important word ... "there is a clear workaround" ...

            As the former president of UA Leonid Kravchuk - "Between the Droplets, in the Rain" ... On its territory ...

            It is not surprising that, having "burned itself" in the Crimea, Russia now "blows" where it is necessary and where it is not necessary ...
      2. Tanais
        Tanais 4 September 2015 15: 00 New
        +5
        Quote: vorobey
        In addition to Sberbank, tell us which banks operate in Ukraine ..

        VTB, Alfabank, and some more.

        But I think these THREE, LARGE, enough? Do not, "announce the entire list"?
      3. _Evgeny_
        _Evgeny_ 4 September 2015 15: 00 New
        +4
        At least VTB and BM Bank. These are the ones that I remember vainly ...
      4. Tanais
        Tanais 4 September 2015 15: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: vorobey
        In addition to Sberbank, tell us which banks operate in Ukraine ..


        And why, in fact, did you ask this question? Wanted to further develop the idea? I and others answered your question.

        So let's "develop" ...
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 4 September 2015 15: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Tanais
          And why, in fact, did you ask this question? Wanted to further develop the idea? I and others answered your question. So let's "develop" ...


          and what to develop .. do you get a pension .. compatriots from Russia transfer your money ... or has trade completely between countries already stopped?

          four banks all work in Ukraine ... and so ...
          1. Tanais
            Tanais 4 September 2015 15: 44 New
            +3
            Quote: vorobey
            four banks all work in Ukraine ... and so ...

            I’m not sure that only four, but I won’t search, it’s enough that it is the FOUR BIGGEST BANKS (I won’t look for their market share in the Russian Federation).

            That's WHAT ...
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 4 September 2015 16: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: Tanais
              Quote: vorobey
              four banks all work in Ukraine ... and so ...

              I’m not sure that only four, but I won’t search, it’s enough that it is the FOUR BIGGEST BANKS (I won’t look for their market share in the Russian Federation).

              That's WHAT ...


              moreover, here is the market share in the Russian Federation ... in Ukraine, you see ... are you not sure? - cross yourself ..
              1. Tanais
                Tanais 4 September 2015 16: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: vorobey
                moreover, here is the market share in the Russian Federation ... in Ukraine, you see ... are you not sure? - cross yourself ..

                I won’t even bother and look for something to “bring”.

                I know that the share is not small. For these "non-standard" banks would not have been found in Ukraine if they had not had a profit ...

                Or are they a "Russian outpost" in the economic struggle with the junta? And I do not understand that they are day and night from within destroying the financial system of Ukraine?

                Then you, devote to the results of their activities.

                I, DOG, I do not see ...
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 4 September 2015 16: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Tanais
                  I’m not even going to strain and search to “bring” something. I know that the share is not small. For these "non-standard" banks would not have been acquired in Ukraine if they had not had a profit ... Or are they a "Russian outpost"? And I do not understand that they are day and night from within destroying the financial system of Ukraine


                  weighty argument - you simply do not own the information and this share is not so hot ..

                  no, destroy it when you receive a pension from Ukraine ... you answer if you start issuing Russian passports because you have to donate something .. either a passport or a pension ... you can’t apply for two pensions according to the Russian passport.
                  1. Tanais
                    Tanais 4 September 2015 17: 10 New
                    +1
                    Quote: vorobey
                    no, destroy it when you receive a pension from Ukraine ... you answer if you start issuing Russian passports because you have to donate something .. either a passport or a pension ... you can’t apply for two pensions according to the Russian passport.

                    I already wrote to you in a personal email that burn with blue flame, a Ukrainian pension, along with a passport.

                    Give ONE, and work, I can still work ...

                    And do not rush with passports. Bad news comes from Donetsk and Lugansk.

                    Trainee guys crusts, to whom we entrusted our fates ...

                    But more about that later. Otherwise, inflate SUCH ...
                    1. vorobey
                      vorobey 4 September 2015 17: 31 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Tanais
                      Trainee guys crusts, to whom we entrusted our fates ...


                      no it's not them .. it's the bonds of Minsk ..
                      1. Tanais
                        Tanais 4 September 2015 20: 38 New
                        +1
                        Quote: vorobey
                        no it's not them .. it's the bonds of Minsk ..

                        I’ll deal with the information, and report what kind of “bunkers” ...

                        We will not drive ... horses.
                      2. vorobey
                        vorobey 4 September 2015 21: 48 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Tanais
                        We will not drive ... horses.


                        this is something new ... but nonetheless ...
                      3. Tanais
                        Tanais 4 September 2015 21: 57 New
                        0
                        Quote: vorobey
                        this is something new ... but nonetheless ...

                        New for you. For me, the usual verification of information. The information is complex and contradictory. Such that until I figured out what, where ...
                      4. Nikoha.2010
                        Nikoha.2010 4 September 2015 22: 26 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Tanais
                        The information is complex and contradictory. Such that until I figured out what, where ...

                        Tanais, hi bro! hi What did you not make out? Ukrina kills all those who disagree, Russia buries cheese on TV, sends humanitarian aid to Novorossia, tries to put out the fires that have spread, rescues zoos, makes friends with China ... And your children went to school! Winter is coming! The worst thing is that everyone is already used to and no one cares how much he suffered and died and continues to die. So brains zasrati that no one pays attention. Everyone in their kitchen is laughing and do not care. Hold on, just hold on and God bless you!
  7. lukewarm
    lukewarm 4 September 2015 16: 08 New
    +6
    Business - was and will be a traitor to the homeland, because it has one homeland - profit. At least in the First World War, even now. We would not have won the Great Patriotic War if we had a different system. And about sber ... Ha, but he does not work in the Crimea (see the entertaining interview of the count). I came across an interesting picture, it seems from the Czech Republic (even before this mess), What kind of interest on loans does he have, Sberbank. You will be smejatstsa! fellow
  • Loner_53
    Loner_53 4 September 2015 14: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: rosarioagro
    And the government of the Russian Federation subsidized banks, and those, in turn, subsidized subsidiaries in Ukraine, and what will Russia expect in this case?

    judging by the photo, then in passing sadAnd then you have to go and drag another suitcase with oligarchic libbery
  • Dave36
    Dave36 4 September 2015 14: 42 New
    0
    The author means that Russia can only react ... to parry, but not play from a position of strength ...
  • pts-m
    pts-m 4 September 2015 14: 47 New
    -1
    kahlam just remains to wait for “occupation” by Russia, since no one else will give anything for free. and for ordinary citizens of Russia this urine-ruin is not needed in x .., at least I speak for myself.
  • Mother Theresa
    Mother Theresa 4 September 2015 14: 49 New
    +1
    A bit strange article.
  • Dima Čalevo
    Dima Čalevo 4 September 2015 14: 53 New
    +3
    But what does the author suggest, I don’t understand? send in troops, or stop subsidizing their economy with cheap gas, make a final mess there? Does the author want an even greater influx of hungry and angry refugee peasants? (I think it’s clear to everyone where they will go)
  • akm8226
    akm8226 4 September 2015 14: 53 New
    +6
    You need to beat at the right time ... but not before. Well - we took and rolled all the APU into the asphalt - this is not even discussed - but MORE? And then a damn cloud of hungry people, the collapse of everything that could be destroyed - industry, agriculture, science, housing and communal services ... and so on throughout the list. And who will restore it all? I know who we are Russians. As always - poherim their interests and will be hunchbacked for Mykola with Galya. But sho - Mykola and Galya are disabled? Without arms without legs? Of course, the easiest way is to become in a pose and demand from us - feed me only because I don’t arise against you. Similarly, refugees from Syria in Europe are now doing it.
    And a reasonable question - do we need this? Leave the drooling for liberals about fraternal assistance to the Slavic people - for the most part, gentlemen, Ukrainians will shoot us in the back. We are OFFICIALLY an enemy number one time for stolen goods, are we not enough? What else is needed evidence of hostility ukrov? Declaration of war? So wait. No, ladies and gentlemen - let them pan themselves, with their own hands, they’ll fuck what they’ve broken. SAMI. WITHOUT US. And we'll see. For betrayal among all nations must be punished. They themselves climbed in, they themselves betrayed the Russians - let them scoop out themselves. And it will be like a proverb - you want to make the enemy do good to man.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 4 September 2015 14: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: akm8226
      For betrayal among all nations must be punished. They themselves climbed in, they themselves betrayed the Russians - let them scoop out themselves. And it will be like a proverb - you want to make the enemy do good to man.


      good
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  • 34 region
    34 region 4 September 2015 14: 54 New
    0
    What does Russia expect? I think we have a situation of the 30s of the last century. The threats are the same. The economy is not on the rise. The army is not very (as the exercises of 36 years and the Finnish campaign showed). Enter Ukraine, the Baltic states, Georgia and the territories of other sufferers? This is suicide. And Russia itself constantly asks for help, help dear investors, invest in Russia. It feels like waiting for a good uncle who will solve all our problems. And then we can help someone. Personally, I see the situation this way.
  • cte-power
    cte-power 4 September 2015 15: 01 New
    +5
    The author incites us to get a bunch of problems.
    Actually, the Kiev junta wants Russia’s entry into the Donbass - that’s what it was all about
    we need to establish the status quo with the Donbass
    strengthen the line of defense of the militias and establish humanitarian issues
    and for now all
    Now, when Galya and mykola YOURSELF rise, if the brain is turned on, from Todi, and we will connect — by the hands of the Ukrainian people — helping him — we will destroy the junta
    in the meantime, let her sharpen herself
    1. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 4 September 2015 15: 22 New
      +1
      good I join
  • meriem1
    meriem1 4 September 2015 15: 07 New
    -1
    Why not sell gas and coal? Varge in the mind at all? WE DO NOT WAR. Or does the same Varja compensate for the losses to the social budget of Russia ??? You can crush krajin quickly .. only nobody needs it.

    In the current conditions, the agony of Ukraine can last for many years. The peoples of Africa, Asia, Latin America in a state of chronic agony live for decades.

    Well, if they tolerate, then apparently it is necessary. Not our pies. We endured from the 90s .. until we woke up and did not understand what a calico is. They will not see clearly, so they will go to Europe to scrub the toilet bowls and trade in a piggy bank .... If they are allowed to go. Or they will remember that they are the same Russians and will sweep away this power. Which is easier.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 4 September 2015 15: 21 New
      0
      Meriem! 15.07. Where will they go? There already all places will be occupied by refugees from democracy. In my opinion, they are only for us.
  • Thomas
    Thomas 4 September 2015 15: 08 New
    +1
    I did not expect this from the Vajra.
    A regiment of sufferers arrived, and all you need to do is think carefully and compare the facts.
    First, Russia does not wait, but acts. The existence of LDNR is the most obvious proof of this.
    Secondly, the rearmament of the Russian Armed Forces continues. New units are being formed (for example, the 20 Army in Boguchar, an example of this. Consequently, preparations are underway.
    Thirdly, Putin doesn’t just go to parades to see, but actively participates in establishing new contacts and signing agreements.
    And so on.
  • 1536
    1536 4 September 2015 15: 08 New
    +7
    Health care reform is underway in Russia, and orderlies in psychiatric hospitals are expensive, especially since hopeless cases require only gas injections and write-offs of debts for "treatment" and that’s all.
    And sanctions against Russia would be imposed anyway, whether in connection with Ukraine, with Crimea, or with the exploration of the moon and flight to Mars. Because the world suddenly, as they say now, a trend has appeared that Russia must be stopped, that right now there is the last chance for it, otherwise Russia will swallow Europe, and will organize order in the Middle East in its own way, which neither the UK nor the USA (those who control them, of course) can not admit under any guise. Then they soon also shine kirdyk. Hence the whistle. This trend was entrusted, as it is supposed, to be carried out by figures from the former union republics of the USSR, or, for the most part, by their children and household members who were educated, as a rule, in subversive terrorist centers in the USA and Western Europe, for some reason calling themselves universities. Who taught them what is understandable. And the result of this training is evident: the fascist structures of NATO are already at our very borders and threaten in the same way as Hitler threatened us with his Wehrmacht. It is strange that they still do not distribute our land and have not outlined a list of cities for renaming, for example, Nizhny Novgorod to Candoliso-Raisk, and Yekaterinburg to Obamovsk or Clintonburg. Hitler ordered to rename Smolensk to Bokburg (named after Field Marshal Bok, who besieged the city), now it will be Bushburg, most likely. Such is the trend.
  • Polkanov
    Polkanov 4 September 2015 15: 13 New
    +1
    ... Russia is focusing. Gorchakov, Chancellor ...
  • tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 4 September 2015 15: 14 New
    +2
    Wait, wait and direct events in the right direction. It is necessary, as I believe, that the Russophobian part fell off from Ukraine and only the Little Russian remains. The one that will become a reliable buffer zone in Moscow. Gradually, the entire western part of Bandera-fascist will begin to demand sovereignty from the center.
    and then Russia will take under its wing the eastern, about the Russian part. Fuck the Ukrainian in his own skin will understand where the brothers are.
  • lecturer
    lecturer 4 September 2015 15: 14 New
    +3
    I observe everything that is happening around Ukraine now and ask myself the same question: WHAT IS MOSCOW WAITING FOR?
    The answer is simple, WAITING for the "crest brother" to oversleep after a 20-year-old booze ... SORRY for their children, sorry for their old people, sorry for their women, sorry ... after all, MOTHER !!!
    P / S. Although you don’t understand this "authoring" ...
  • zenith
    zenith 4 September 2015 15: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: vorobey
    for a clear conscience ..

    Shaw, again ?? !! belay


    What a club of interests. And so that everyone read without fail. You can not get on a bad ICQ? And knock on Claudia before losing. No, no, yes and there are fellow soldiers ... ooo Vaska hello. Yes hello without cutlets.
  • RiverVV
    RiverVV 4 September 2015 15: 16 New
    +1
    The author is stupid, naive and asks stupid questions. :)
    Here you will finish building the battalion railway line through Millerovo and see what Russia expects. The only reasonable explanation for the assignment of this construction site to the military is that it must be done efficiently and urgently. So urgent that it can’t be entrusted to civilian contractors and in addition to weld the dough. The purpose of this branch is rokada and it is needed for maneuvering with equipment.
    As soon as it is completed, it will be possible to transfer armored vehicles through the Russian territory. The strike will be delivered not in areas fortified by Ukraine, but from the LPR along the Russian border and further to Slavyansk with fire support from Russian territory. The entire northern group of ukrov will be in the boiler.
    The branch is likely to be completed by winter. We stock up on popcorn ...
  • 3vs
    3vs 4 September 2015 15: 18 New
    0
    And what does the author offer us?
    I think the options are being calculated in the center.
    The crowding out of the opposing side beyond the borders of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions is indispensable,
    Jewish children and their arrogant curators will not give local residents anyway
    live normally.
    And among the local population there is no such rallying as in the Great Patriotic War,
    do not hear from all windows "Get up the huge country, get up to the mortal battle ...",
    the posters “Everything for the front, everything for the victory” do not hang ..., the people are split.
    And, I think, Putin also speaks to himself about this catastrophe as about Kursk -
    "I want to howl from impotence to do something!"
  • victorrat
    victorrat 4 September 2015 15: 22 New
    +1
    In fact, the author is trying to deceive us !!! And here the Donbass, when all the sanctions are due to the Crimea. And we won’t give up Crimea, Krymnash!
    To answer that to endless lies?
    What do they say in nickname: Colorado?
    Laugh that we are quilted jackets yet?
    To murderers, thieves who play like ravens
    How to show that we are happy with our country?

    The country that defeated fascism
    The one that was able to create, not destroy,
    The one that took and abolished communism,
    Although I wanted to, but they shouted: pluralism,
    And democracy hit in the ears.

    What else to give to reassure them
    Wishing to burn us for something,
    They’re building a wall repeating a myth,
    Fascist myth, Nazi myth,
    Ponad truncated, and Heil screamed to vomit.

    Who taught them and gave them hatred
    And more jealousy for more successful?
    After all, they got the richest capital,
    From the former homeland, no one interfered,
    They stole what they need, sinners?

    What besides envy? Aggressor and grin
    And they themselves ask, the CIS does not leave,
    As before, they learned that two sucked.
    Bandera essence, Hitler ideal,
    Enemies for the world, but do not understand.
  • sw6513
    sw6513 4 September 2015 15: 25 New
    +1
    Russia does not do anything right. For two decades, that country has nothing to do with ours except hostility. And in general, why should they help when they are about to decide their own path ..
  • DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 4 September 2015 15: 32 New
    0
    Russia just takes time and is rearming. Putin and Russia - now Stalin and the USSR 1937. The moment will come anyway, it will have to fit in with Ukraine, the West will not leave everything in limbo. Only the state of the army will be higher than the current level. But Ukraine is only the beginning. The West knows our fist in full. It’s not so long to wait, the West wants to play tricks in the World Cup.
  • ingenera
    ingenera 4 September 2015 15: 37 New
    +2
    What is Moscow waiting for? The question, of course, is interesting ... But what is the author waiting for? An independent (as they think) country itself must solve its problems. This is my opinion. Ahead of winter ... maybe wiser? Yes, and in the West, it seems played enough of all this. They have enough of their problems now.
  • lukewarm
    lukewarm 4 September 2015 15: 37 New
    0
    Urkaina is not a reason to attack Russia, as the author claims, but the attack itself. Sanctions? Yes, if it were not for the liberoids in the government, then they are of one use, we have one more reason to level the enslaving conditions for joining the WTO (did they enter there, was it really not clear how it would end?) The attack on us started, as it were, before urkaina, but for a long time. And if you look closely, he did not stop. This "we" pretended not to exist, while the West, under the guise of "friendship", milked us to the center through "our" oligarchs, wrote us a "constitution" and carried out privatization. Was it all OK? Not rolling? And the 888 war was not against us? With the most liberal Dmitry Anatolyevich. But with urkayina "kagbe" began? It seems that the author is well-known, but something apparently clicked in his head and the wrong puzzle took shape.
  • 178
    178 4 September 2015 15: 41 New
    +2
    It often happens that you need to wait. And seizing the moment, right to the point. Just as it was with the Crimea.
    178
  • KBPC50
    KBPC50 4 September 2015 15: 43 New
    +1
    A sad photograph, only she photograph is more like waiting America, more precisely USA. And after all, it will wait, it will wait for something that is no longer interesting to anyone ...
  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 4 September 2015 15: 44 New
    +1
    I don’t understand why do we need to jump into the fire with our bare ass? The most interesting thing is to watch them rage when we sit upright.

    You don’t need to jump, sitting upright is wonderful. The question is different, why
    to support the economy not of a fraternal people, but of a likely enemy, judging by their military doctrine? Again, the wise make money, justifying it with lofty goals, to the detriment of Russia.
  • digo
    digo 4 September 2015 15: 45 New
    +1
    what What is Russia waiting for? And it could be like in that joke:
    Barak meets with Merkel.
    Merkel:
    - When Putin speaks for a long time, you can listen so that you forget about all the problems.
    Obama:
    - Yeah. And when he is silent for a long time, generally obroz ..., I'm sorry, you can do it .... laughing
    1. 178
      178 4 September 2015 15: 56 New
      +2
      And I heard that the White House was repainted black. And now it is called Barack Obama. Is it true or not? Who will clarify?
      178
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 4 September 2015 16: 05 New
    0
    It’s better to wait and see the EU’s agony! Great migration from the 3rd world countries will tear apart European values ​​in the coming years, and beggars like Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia, choking on the promises of their former owners, will turn into
    community of savages.
  • 31rus
    31rus 4 September 2015 16: 12 New
    -2
    It’s an interesting question, it’s impossible to say unequivocally, it’s also that Russia can once again tear Ukraine away, about an unfavorable economic, political crisis, about internal problems, so Russia is waiting right now, alas, yes, yes, yes, it can blow Russia up , so actions must be thought out once and not only with Ukraine
  • Edvagan
    Edvagan 4 September 2015 16: 13 New
    0
    Suppose we ruined Ukraine and annexed it whole. How much will it cost us? We are struggling to restore Crimea, and here 45 million new residents — give everyone work, restructuring and medicine, pay pensions to all at the Russian level. Maybe the right decision is to digest Ukraine in parts. As, incidentally, our ancestors did before.
  • Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 4 September 2015 16: 20 New
    +1
    When preparing a good tomato sauce, you need to boil well.
    The foam is removed continuously.
    And try not to interfere
    This is how I say special wassat
    If mixed, the final product will remain bitterness.
    Boil should be long enough.
    Otherwise, Mr. But will not come out.
    So in this matter.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 4 September 2015 20: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Alcoholic
      When preparing a good tomato sauce, you need to boil well.


      The namesake .. handsome ... it's like a lover of vodka to an alcoholic I say .. drinks
  • Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 4 September 2015 16: 24 New
    +3
    Yes ... I forgot.
    Then, climbing the Khokhlostan sites and walking around swearing, I noticed a quite positive thing.
    They (maydanutykh) full of discord and depress.
    There is nothing intelligible except "Russia is to blame for the aggressor" and there is nothing.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 4 September 2015 21: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Alcoholic
      Yes ... I forgot.
      Then, climbing the Khokhlostan sites and walking around swearing, I noticed a quite positive thing.
      They (maydanutykh) full of discord and depress.
      There is nothing intelligible except "Russia is to blame for the aggressor" and there is nothing.


      I recently talked with one Svidomo received a good shower from neo ... it is interesting that he communicates exclusively with others exclusively, and when we started with him in an argument and sense everyone was quiet and just watched .. so he said such a phrase - you still howl the number of majors and lumpen who sheltered from the southeast ... and the paradox is right ... when faced with "refugees" in everyday life for some reason I want to punish them ..
  • GX1
    GX1 4 September 2015 16: 31 New
    0
    No one understands what kind of game the Kremlin plays and whether it plays at all. But according to the results for today, this is the path to the full platter of the twenty-millionth Southeast and Ukraine in general. I don’t believe in the collapse of Ukraine, the opposition is not there, and the Kremlin does not formulate an external opposition, or does not know how. In short, the DLNR bridgehead was ineffective and unnecessary.
  • for
    for 4 September 2015 16: 53 New
    0
    Well, if we only assume that according to forecasts the situation on the planet is approaching a certain point, after which development will go in the direction of a), b), or c). Like in that tale:
    - you’ll go to the left, you’ll be married;
    - you’ll go straight and lose a horse;
    - you’ll go to the right, save the horse, and lose your head.
    And now, as soon as you understand what kind of a fork this is, it will immediately become clear that Russia is a bit detached from active participation in international affairs, it will become clear what Russia is waiting for and why it does not want to spread rot on the Ukrainian people, despite all the tricks of the maydan.
    But what kind of a fork is this - it is a question of questions.
  • Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 4 September 2015 17: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: Vladimirets
    However, Russia is waiting ...

    But you can’t just watch how it all ends?

    Sometimes, only sometimes inaction is equated with an act. In the case of the so-called brothers, this is just the case .... no matter how regrettable this sounds. drinks
  • for
    for 4 September 2015 17: 13 New
    0
    Quote: GX1
    No one understands what kind of game the Kremlin is playing ....

    So it’s good that they don’t understand, surprised, that means he won.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 4 September 2015 18: 05 New
    +1
    I am surprised by the abundance of comments in the delirium described in the article.
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 4 September 2015 18: 25 New
    -1
    What is Russia waiting for? It’s waiting for itself, I didn’t understand the author. Look. Crimea is ours. Donbass is resisting, and they are not firing in the center. And China? and import substitution? and the supply of new weapons, but what about the Arctic !? Yes Schaub we always have to wait))
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 4 September 2015 18: 35 New
    +1
    Here such "Vladimirites" to drive for observation in Gorlovka ...
  • Earnest
    Earnest 4 September 2015 19: 03 New
    0
    In one paragraph we read that you need to work patiently, because:
    And when you are looking for something for a very long time, you will find it sooner or later.
    .
    in the other - that you can’t stand it anymore, but:
    However, Russia is waiting ...

    Therefore, I agree with:
    Quote: samoletil18

    I am surprised by the abundance of comments on the delirium described in the article.
  • dropout
    dropout 4 September 2015 19: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Halfunra
    Vajara a provocateur, he didn’t write anything significant, but he cast a shadow on the fence


    You don’t have to run into Andrey. He’s gotten sick. Here he wants a quick solution.
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    79807420129 4 September 2015 20: 01 New
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    Author minus with minus, if so hunting to fight, you can go to the Donbass and join the militias.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 4 September 2015 20: 12 New
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    Quote: Vladimir K
    taxes come to the budget of Moscow from firms registered there. Production of many of them are in the regions. Social taxes and the local budget leaked to the center

    That's right! And the natural monopolies that conduct business all over Russia (earn money), and taxes, to Moscow, where the central office is. When Mr. Abramovich was the “head of Chukotka,” he moved the place of registration of his business to Anadyr. And the city is noticeably prettier! Moscow is a huge bag of money, I don’t want to drink! Sometimes individual projects of the Moscow government, you think that there is nowhere to put money !! negative hi
  • Gelitch
    Gelitch 4 September 2015 20: 59 New
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    Fast, only cats give birth.
  • Alfizik
    Alfizik 4 September 2015 21: 22 New
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    I did not expect such an article from this author. Tired man ... Tired of waiting. But in a snap, the situation cannot be resolved. Too difficult situation. And the meaning of Russia's “inaction” is obvious: our “inaction” is the most effective action. Why are the US getting excited? Yes, because the forces are not the same! Strengths end ... And the further, the ... The more you get excited, the more mistakes. Wow, how soon it will all be over! Already spun. And Americans will not find holes in Russia. They do not count their own and new ones appear. Take a closer look at the leadership of LDNR: they are calm, they are in the know, of course, they brought to them a certain Knowledge. We don’t have to do anything! The West craps and craps in the same diaper. In your diaper.