Russia resolved the issue of replacing Ukrainian gas turbine engines for ships

The head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy, captain of the 1 rank, Vladimir Tryapichnikov, said that Russia had resolved the issue of designing and manufacturing gas turbine engines for ships.

“The design and construction of the 11356 project engines will be handled by Saturn enterprises from Rybinsk and Zvezda from St. Petersburg,” the newspaper quoted him as saying "Sight".

On August 11, there were reports that, according to a decision of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the construction of the second three frigates of project 11356 for the Russian will resume at the Yantar Baltic shipyard fleet, work on which were frozen after the failure of Ukraine to supply gas turbine engines for them.

The main purpose of the 11356 patrol ships is to carry out combat operations at sea and in the ocean, in particular, the destruction of enemy submarines, anti-ship, anti-submarine and air defense of ships and warships, support for ground forces, and landing of an amphibious landing force.

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[svp67]

always happy with the news that something starts to move from the point of "freezing"

[Alex_Rarog]

Especially if the freezing was short-lived. Glory to the gods that the corps did not have time to bring the state of hooves.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

Glory to the gods that the corps did not have time to the state of hooves

Gods, of course, Glory!
But such import substitution is quite in the teeth of Saturn, the largest producer of gas turbine engines.
It was necessary to do all this even earlier.
It is simply beneficial for other power-holders to personally purchase equipment and components abroad. Under various specious pretexts.

[aleks 62 next]

.... Simply, by other power-holders, apparently, it is personally personally profitable to purchase equipment and components abroad. Under various specious pretexts ....

... The "brothers" had to be supported .... Well, who would have thought that they would ride ....

[cyberhanter]

... "Brothers" had to be supported

It seems to me that you do not have a very deep knowledge of the issue, in general, just like I do, but it must be borne in mind that many enterprises of Ukraine used to support the existence of many factories here, like many enterprises in Belarus, by buying parts from them for those components and products, who do for us. A generally interconnected economy. In sum, it is always more profitable. Another thing is that at the same time, work on the territory of Ukraine by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was not conducted normally, and this is what happened.
But Ukrainians for me are still fraternal without quotes, people. Let me not be a Slav

[g1v2]

About a thousand Ukrainian enterprises worked for our defense industry. Replacing them means building a thousand new industries. This is billions of dollars. Under normal conditions, this is the cost of a whole fleet. Without emergency, no one would have gone to such expenses, plus just such cooperation is one of the main reasons why Ukraine has not joined NATO for 15-20 years. There would have been no such connection and Ukraine would have joined NATO under Kuchma, in extreme cases, with Yushchenko. However, this would lead to the fact that the current situation in the Ukrainian economy would have come at that time, and Kuchma and Yushchenko would not have done so. Now the replacement of Ukrainian production with domestic ones of course also costs HUGE money, but there will be no other consequences. Crimea and Donbass will not let dill into NATO. And since the Ukrainian authorities will never recognize the loss of Crimea, they will never get into NATO, nor will the rodents yet recognize the abandonment of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

[g1v2]

What about the test bench? Is he in Rybinsk?

[gjv]

Quote: g1v2

What about the test bench? Is he in Rybinsk?

The test base includes 18 stands for testing engines, 49 units of sub-final tuning.

[g1v2]

Well, I'll get better. Is there a test base in Rybinsk? Is it being built if it is not there and when it is supposedly ready if it is built?

[igor.borov775]

Of course, there were clear intermediaries for cutting funds. And now, a bummer.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I didn’t even doubt it! We have everything for development, harness the truth for a long time, but then ......

[Tanais]

Quote: MIKHAN

I didn’t even doubt it! We have everything for development, harness the truth for a long time, but then ......

But in this case, "harness" for a long time, as I understand it, is impossible ...

Somewhere there was already a message that the Navy refused to complete and purchase 2 ships laid down in the 90s, "due to the obsolescence of the project" ...

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: Tanais

But in this case, "harness" for a long time, as I understand it, is impossible ...

Somewhere there was already a message that the Navy refused to complete and purchase 2 ships laid down in the 90s, "due to the obsolescence of the project" ...

This is not due to freezing, but to the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991, when the single economy was torn to pieces.

[Tanais]

Quote: VseDoFeNi

This is not due to freezing, but to the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists in 1991, when the single economy was torn to pieces.

So yes, the little ones are wrong ...
Those two ships, WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF FINANCING, could well have been put into operation within the terms specified in the contract. But it was not ... They postponed it for later. And how this "later" came, the ships turned out to be outdated in their h-kams ...

But on the whole, I agree, much of the fault, the collapse of the USSR ...

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: Tanais

But on the whole, I agree, much of the fault, the collapse of the USSR ...

Not a gap, but a dismemberment. It is dismembered. And this is exactly what deprived us of FINANCE.
You are trying to put the cart in front of the horse.

It is good that aircraft engines were made in Rybinsk, and not in Bishkek or Zhytomyr. If we had engines with OVT today, keep your pocket wider.

[pazuhinm]

And where does the Communists? Are you sure about the Democrats?
Ships were laid under the Communists, but everything was ruined - under the Democrats.

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: pazuhinm

Are you sure about the Democrats?

There were no bullshit in the USSR. There was one CPSU that had all the power, conceivable and inconceivable. And this power of the CPSU extremely talented profuca.

[cyberhanter]

There were no Democrats in the USSR in the 91 year? And who said PEREMOGA, pah, PERESTROYKA? :) And yet, do not confuse beliefs, that is, political views and org structure. This is how to compare the religiosity of a single person with the Russian Orthodox Church

[cyberhanter]

More careful with generalizations. At that time I was 4, but from the then "corrupt" no one is a communist, which means it is not entirely correct to call them that, because they were not communists, rather the then party nomenclature, but this is also the current Russian problem

[TVM - 75]

Of course, such projects need to be finalized during construction using 100% backlog. And in general, ships are built for a long time and normally, when changes are made to the project, during the construction process, related to new equipment and a change in the situation.

[dmi.pris1]

Unfortunately (this often happens) there is a huge distance between the words and deeds of our military leaders. Designing and producing what has never been produced at these enterprises will take at least two or three years ... God forbid that words turn into a deed.

Quote: MIKHAN

I didn’t even doubt it! We have everything for development, harness the truth for a long time, but then ......

[veksha50]

Quote: dmi.pris

The design and production of what was never produced at these enterprises will take at least two to three years ... Well, God forbid, that the words become deeds.

However, it is better to wait 2-3 years and get not only the engines, but also the mastered production, than to leave the shipwrecks rusted, and the fleet - without new units ...

And here - that's it - God forbid that the declared does not remain empty words ...

[AUL]

I think that we won’t see the engine brought to mind in 2 to 3 years. The time is short.

[marlin1203]

That's it, from designing to 3 ready-made sets of engines it is not known how much time will pass. All the same, well-established production is worth a lot.

[donavi49]

Well, essentially this is news about nothing.

The star makes the gearbox - it was before the crisis.
Rybinsk is developing a turbine - this has also been known for a long time.

The terms have not changed in any way:
The commissioning of the stand in Rybinsk in limited use is the end of 2017.
The delivery of the first experimental engine of Russian cooperation is the end of 2017.
The supply of the first batch (obviously 2 engines and gearboxes for 22350) to the OSK plant is the end of 2018.

[g1v2]

THINKING ON 22350, AND NOT ON THE SECOND THREE 11356 THE FIRST MOTIONS WILL GO? It seems to me that the first sets will go to Amber for the second three 11356. Still
it’s necessary to free the place, and the Black Sea Fleet is a priority for the coming years.

[igor.borov775]

This is really news. Finally, the defense budget money begins to bear fruit. After all, there were specifically funds for the construction and rearmament of defense companies. And they will produce products not only for the military but for civilian consumption. The main thing is that the president’s requirements in all forms are taken into account. The products manufactured by the military-industrial complex for civilian use were not only international but exceeded. Keep it up.

[Gray-haired]

Sorry to use your superiority in komenty -And what kind of barge is it on F43 in the photo? Author, what army are you talking about here?

[avia12005]

The country that defeated Hitler cannot be defeated by sanctions. You can only make it worse for yourself.

[veksha50]

Quote: avia12005

The country that defeated Hitler cannot be defeated by sanctions

Well, during the war with Nazi Germany, both the country and the economy were different ...

Here it can be said more modernly: a country that has survived the 90s and the direct damage inflicted on it by its own traitor leaders - Gorbachev and Yeltsin - is invincible ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

“Design and construction of engines of project 11356 will be engaged Saturn enterprises from Rybinsk and Zvezda from St. Petersburg,

the future tense, today we need engines.

[evil partisan]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

the future tense, today we need engines.

Correctly. Something urgently needs to be done. . Remove the Colleague engine from your Constipation and send it to the fleet. And while skiing is like going to work ...

[Penetrator]

Quote: wicked partisan

Correctly. Something urgently needs to be done. . Remove the Colleague engine from your Constipation and send it to the fleet. And while skiing is like going to work ...

Evgeny Vaganovich, is there still a vacation season in "Smehopanorama"? They struck me with their sparkling humor ...

[evil partisan]

Quote: Penetrator

They struck me with their sparkling humor ...

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[veksha50]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

the future tense, today we need engines.

Unfortunately, you will not jump above your capabilities (hmm ...), we are not horses, like some ...

Only now the rulers' shortsightedness and reluctance to look for some ways to solve such problems right away are angry ... After all, the Amers merchants managed at the time when the United States and Hitler Germany were at war to trade strategic raw materials and equipment with the enemy ??? After all, for them the money did not smell ??? So, I think, if desired, it would be possible to contrive. find a loophole at least for these 2-3 years, while our own, dear, will work out, develop ...

[siberalt]

Well yes. GDP in a couple of minutes has sucked in an 11-year-old kid about pegging the ruble to the petrodollar. And he seemed to understand. Our government cannot understand this either. Factories need to be built, not poured into banks.

[Alexander 3]

Ukraine destroys its industry with its own hands. Well, Russia is only getting stronger. We need to rely only on ourselves.

[Voha_krim]

Great news!!! The main thing is that our engines are not only worse than Ukrainian, but better to wipe and smudge

[Stirbjorn]

Yes, nothing special was reported. This is a year ago, Rogozin announced. When the real engines are ready for the ships, then you can throw caps into the air)

[PavelOPG]

you should always rely only on yourself!

[Kibalchish]

A little off topic. Chinese victory parade online who needs?

[Tanais]

Quote: Kibalchish

Chinese victory parade online who needs?

Put this video somewhere on an American site ...

THIS IS THEM FIRSTLY NECESSARY. Well, we will see how the Russian Federation and China come closer ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Tanais

Well, we will see how the Russian Federation and China come closer ...

I have looked so far only the greetings of the Chinese leader by guests ...

Well, ours - the last one - closed the ceremony, and together they left ... So to speak - double hello to the USA ...

But father shocked him a little ... The boy has grown immeasurably, but he drags him everywhere on the fren ... he educates little Una ??? Hopes to pass the power on the relay ???

Although, in tribute to Belarus, he was the last but one ... before Putin ...

Well, I'll watch the parade a little later ... And let the United States, with its "forgetfulness", remain in the ass ...

[sir.jonn]

At 2:28:17 am, is that "Baby"? I thought they were gone.

[Tanais]

Quote: sir.jonn

At 2:28:17 am, is that "Baby"? I thought they were gone.

Yes he. Chinese, with a modernized rocket ...

[Kubatai]

This is of course great news, but as always there is ... But I would like for there to be new developments in this regard, and not adaptation of the USSR developments to a new production ..

[rotmistr60]

Russia resolved the issue of designing and manufacturing gas turbine engines for ships.

Decided and good. Here is just a wish for the future - it is still necessary to predict the development of events in a particular country, on which our shipbuilding and not only this industry depend even partially.

[Amurets]

It's a good thing that something is shifting. Are all the turbo-engine factories left abroad? And diesel engines too? Russia, the first in the world to create marine diesel engines, was left without engines. Pozor. It is necessary to restore the Russian Diesel plant if there is any equipment left there. And I don’t believe that the turbo engines are loaded above the roof. And that only the Star and Saturn, always loaded, can still take orders for the fleet?

[Aleksander]

I wonder why you can’t buy these engines in ruins through third countries (while we’ll do ours)?

[Tanais]

Quote: Aleksander

I wonder why you can’t buy these engines in ruins through third countries (while we’ll do ours)?

Probably because the "third countries" may also not be interested in strengthening the Russian Federation, and even if they don't care about it, then YUSA and it will "give it a hand" ...

[sagitch]

From the principle, let them think about what they did!

[veksha50]

Quote: Aleksander

I wonder why you can’t buy these engines in ruins through third countries (while we’ll do ours)?

All the same, the issue of maintenance and repair will lead to a dead end branch ... So - only yourself ...

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Aleksander

I wonder why you can’t buy these engines in ruins through third countries (while we’ll do ours)?

So then it will be necessary to redesign the ships. There is a place for specific engines allocated.

[Raptor_RB]

Gentlemen who know, tell me, please, in the photo is the Indian frigate Trishul made at the Baltic factory, or could I not in Wiki? Thank. The ship’s shape is very slender, Russian, or something.

[Tanais]

Quote: Raptor_RB

Gentlemen who know, tell me, please, in the photo is the Indian frigate Trishul made at the Baltic factory, or could I not in Wiki? Thank. The ship’s shape is very slender, Russian, or something.

And this is the "Russian Hindu", the Indian Navy frigate of the Talvar class, on the basis of which the project 11356 patrol ship for the Russian Navy was developed.

[Raptor_RB]

Thank! + Bonus - another great photo. This is even more than what I asked :)

[gjv]

Quote: Tanais

And this is the "Russian Hindu", a frigate of the Indian Navy of the "Talvar" type,

Project 1135.6 of a Talvar-class frigate, capable of operating in the oceanic zone, was developed on its own initiative by the Northern Design Bureau on the basis of a Project 1135.1 patrol ship (7 PSKR built in 1981-1990).
You gave a photo of the F40 INS Talwar (Sword) - the head frigate of the series, commissioned by the Indian Navy in 2003.
Valid in article

Quote: Raptor_RB

pictured Indian frigate Trishul

[Tanais]

Quote: gjv

Valid in article

This is not so important. SERIES then ONE ...

Moreover, is there any reason to display another photo of F43 Trishulif it is already in the illustration for the article ...

[Bayonet]

"Russia has resolved the issue with the design and production of gas turbine engines for ships." - note, "DESIGN and production". So far it is the same as "And the apple trees will bloom on Mars ..". First they will design, then they will set up production (with all the consequences), then they will eliminate the shortcomings and bring to mind. So it's too early to clap your hands and throw your caps into the air - reliable power plants won't be soon

[vkras4]

Serdyukov's policy was aimed at the purchase of imported equipment.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: vkras4

Serdyukov's policy was aimed at the purchase of imported equipment.

Learning from enemies is not shameful.

[Old26]

Quote: Amurets

It's a good thing that something is shifting. Are all the turbo-engine factories left abroad? And diesel engines too? Russia, the first in the world to create marine diesel engines, was left without engines. Pozor. It is necessary to restore the Russian Diesel plant if there is any equipment left there. And I don’t believe that the turbo engines are loaded above the roof. And that only the Star and Saturn, always loaded, can still take orders for the fleet?

The news is certainly good news. True, despite everything, for the gigantic experience of the same "Saturn" in a gas turbine engine, he never made ship power plants. We'll have to learn on the go. The jambs will surely climb.
And the whole question arises: WHY?
Why it was impossible to attend to this 15 years ago. By the end of the 90s, it became absolutely clear that Ukraine is a "cut off piece". Why did the same Strategic Missile Forces take care that the components of sighting systems began to be produced on the territory of Russia, and what did everyone else expect? That a "good uncle" will come to power in Ukraine. who will reunite Ukraine with Russia?
Remember how many years already (probably already over a dozen) it has been said that a new slipway has been built in Severodvinsk for the construction of aircraft carriers and other large ships, and things have not even begun there. I sometimes get the impression that in many cases long-term programs are created only to report to the top that such a program has been adopted, but in reality they are not worked out at all

As an off-top. At one time I came across a book (I don't remember the name, but it seems "The Last Giants of the Empire"). This is how the program of building battleships for the Russian Imperial Navy was described there over the years. The program was designed for the period 1914-1934 (twenty years). It was planned when to start, when to launch, when to decommission outdated ones, when and where to build factories and shipyards ...

Unfortunately, the entire industry in the USSR was built on the principle of mosaics. That is, in one place one thing was done, in another another, in the third it was going to. For example, the industry of Ukraine (I can say more or less about the rocket industry). Dnepropetrovsk Yuzhmash collected the same ICBMs. Engines of 1 and 2 stages were Russian, SU - Ukrainian, BB of course Russian. But the same management system could consist of components that were produced in other republics of the USSR. Maybe because of this, not one of the projects of Ukrainian missiles was created in iron

Quote: Aleksander

I wonder why you can’t buy these engines in ruins through third countries (while we’ll do ours)?

And for this it is necessary that Ukraine built them, which without an order is very doubtful ...

[VohaAhov]

The question will be resolved only when the turbines will stand on our frigates and work normally, and this again is an empty Brekhalovo.

[atamankko]

Our country can do anything except
victories over bureaucrats-thieves.

[ydjin]

Quote: atamankko

Our country can do anything except
victories over bureaucrats-thieves.

Unfortunately, this is so...

[Old26]

Quote: atamankko

Our country can do anything except

Can. But what efforts. Russian national fun - stepping on a rake several times

[Normal ok]

The head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy, captain of the 1 rank, Vladimir Tryapichnikov, said that Russia had resolved the issue of designing and manufacturing gas turbine engines for ships. “Saturn enterprises from Rybinsk and Zvezda from St. Petersburg will be involved in the design and construction of the engines of the 11356 project,” the newspaper Vzglyad quoted him as saying.

There is an abyss between the words "solved the problem" and "they will be engaged in designing". "Solving the problem" means getting a real end result. "They will be engaged" - it means that no one is doing anything yet. In general, another distortion of concepts.

[AlexA]

Quote: Amurets

And I do not believe that the turbo loaded above the roof.

Yes, they are not loaded. Just frames are not enough. At least pour money. It takes about 10 years of practical experience to prepare a BUSINESS specialist (after a university or vocational school). If there is perseverance, they will prepare it.
In the meantime, they are doing little by little. Fundamentally, ship gas-turbine engines are no different from gas-pumping engines, which are mass-produced in Perm, Ufa, and Rybinsk. So let's do it.
We'll have to wait, though ...

[over]

Tree sticks. Who is happy here? I, too, at first was delighted. Go to the wiki, see how many are building them. And at the same time other new projects. 11356 is already outdated. He was needed 10 years ago. Right now, they will throw him in favor of another, who will also be building 10-15 years. Then it will become obsolete. Where is the series? Where is the unification? Where is the fleet after all ???
Where is Comrade Rogozin looking? How much dough has already been sawed? 11356 is deprecated. Instead, they already want 22350. We look at the example of Gorshkov. They wanted to start building in 2003. They laid it in 2006. And where is he, eh? For such things should be planted. For a long time!

[samoletil18]

The news, of course, is good. But the sediment remained: it had to be done yesterday!

[Blackwizardru]

Happy news ! But I’m about three hundred meters to the "STAR" ..... will start to smoke again :(

[gallville]

Hmm. Already sold to the Indians and all business. Or bought Chinese engines for the buildings.
And it is necessary to design gas turbines for ships of 8 thousand tons. For full-fledged destroyers. You just need to feed 22350.
A breach of frigates shut up corvettes.
22350 and 11356 those that already exist will ideally fit into the Black Sea Fleet or, in extreme cases, the Baltic Fleet to strengthen the Mediterranean squadron. And so one on tonnage does not pull the second on the project is rather weak.
Z.Y. and shoot managers at the Amur plant for 11 years, they are building a serial corvette.