Vladimir Shamanov ordered the cadets and teachers of the Ryazan Airborne School (RVDKU) to speak a foreign language one day a week

Commander of the Airborne Forces Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov told media representatives about a rather unexpected innovation in the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School. According to Shamanov, on Wednesday the whole military school will speak English. The commander of the Airborne Forces argued that the past international exercises, in which Russian paratroopers participated, showed the relevance of the command of a foreign language fighter. Shamanova quotes TASS:


As shown by the practice of international studies and the implementation of international tasks associated with the knowledge of this language. Therefore, Wednesday - this will be the day when the whole school will speak only English.


Vladimir Shamanov ordered the cadets and teachers of the Ryazan Airborne School (RVDKU) to speak a foreign language one day a week


Why is it Wednesday (or Wednesday means not the day of the week, but the day of immersion in a foreign language), and what will happen to those who have difficulties with “daily” communication exclusively in English? - the general did not explain.

Shamans:
Therefore, the order. All five years we will be studying in a specialized school, as a rule, it will be English.


The initiative Shamanov found both supporters and opponents. Proponents say that a strong knowledge of a foreign language is already the norm for any person who graduates. Opponents believe that the officer (cadet) should own a foreign language, but in this case, he (the future officer) will not be helped by orders, but by an effective training program (course) that insures against excesses.
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  1. vorobey 2 September 2015 13: 22 New
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    will they go for an internship? Ryazan dialect can be eradicated only by communicating with native speakers of this foreign language for a long time ...

    1. MIKHAN 2 September 2015 13: 33 New
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      We like Russia .......?
      At first everyone learned French, they beat Napoleon!
      Then everyone learned German - Hitler shot himself!
      Now English .... Obama is "sorry" bully laughing
      1. Aleksandr1959 2 September 2015 13: 57 New
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        Now English .... Obama "sorry

        Why only Obama? From perspectives .. breathtaking wassat
        1. kot28.ru 2 September 2015 14: 01 New
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          And for what he is sorry, men, exceptional no one in the world is sorry, the dog canine death! am am am
      2. vorobey 2 September 2015 14: 02 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        Now English .... Obama is "sorry"


        at one time, too, they tried to stimulate knowledge of the language at the KChF ... so after the meeting we were sitting in the smoking room ... and our zombie battalion in charge ... was smoking silent .. then how it will jerk ... but I need it for hell ... I I know only one sentence in English and it’s enough for me .. ah um vrotebal y .. laughing
        1. ASK505 4 September 2015 12: 42 New
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          Think of your head, was it worth it to bear this toll throughout the country?
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      4. Oleg14774 2 September 2015 21: 31 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        Now English .... Obama is "sorry"

        As a person to me, too, like an Ampres president, not at all!
      5. Ze Kot 2 September 2015 23: 35 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        Now English .... Obama is "sorry" for bully laughing


        The "obamok" has its own English, which is far from the classic British.
    2. Truth 2 September 2015 13: 40 New
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      Quote: vorobey
      will they go for an internship?

      Well, if the guys from NATA "invite", then probably they will drop by the "internship".
      According to experience, so to speak ... ours will work out on the English team: - stand, drop weapons, face the wall, lay hands on his head.
      Well, to those guys in Russian: - do not shoot, I was forced to pick up a weapon, I am a simple worker, do not hit, I will say everything myself ...
    3. Now we are free 2 September 2015 13: 51 New
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      The initiative of Shamanov found both supporters and opponents. Proponents say that strong knowledge of a foreign language is already the norm for any person who graduates. Opponents believe that an officer (cadet) should know a foreign language, but in this case he (the future officer) will not be helped by orders, but by an effective training program (course), which insures against excesses.

      For example, I just FOR! And I can say to opponents of such training if one speaks a foreign language one day a week BUT ALL DAY all the more use it to communicate on all issues not only addressing the authorities but also among themselves (cadets) can learn the language in this way as quickly as with purposeful study of it.
      Here is an example: My wife recently started watching the Turkish Golden Age series, so there the translator speaks Russian late and you can hear the phrases in Turkish well. I heard this and started jokingly talking to her in Turkish. -Meraba, Yardmedin, Khair, Even ... She began to poke her eyes at me -How do you know Turkish so? Yes, even with the right diction?
      - My childhood was good, according to Super Chanel (there was such a cable channel in the dashing 90s) cartoons were constantly played in Turkish, and that's how I absorbed the Turkish spoken language absolutely without straining, I can even say with buzz bully

      PS
      What is interesting is the language learned in this way (simple communication), even without constant practice, is forgotten much more slowly than jagged at the university.
      1. ramzes1776 2 September 2015 18: 40 New
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        And what is not taught German at military universities now? In our school, I studied German almost the entire platoon.
        1. Boa kaa 2 September 2015 22: 06 New
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          Quote: ramzes1776
          And what is not taught German at military universities now? In our school, I studied German almost the entire platoon.

          Shamans did not invent anything new. I just remembered the cadet when all Thursday, (please note!), We talked in German. True, history and geography were listened to and answered in * import *. That is why, at the end of training, upon graduation, we received a diploma of a military translator of grade 3.
          Since 1973, I no longer had to systematically learn German, but what was laid in the cadet was enough for me to communicate in the Munich beer house in 2015. The waiter even asked where I served in Germany ... Alas, this was not!
          Thanks to our cool lady (Pferde) as we called her among ourselves. But they taught us well !!!
          1. w3554152 4 September 2015 08: 12 New
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            Quote: BoA KAA
            when all Thursday, (please note!), we talked in German. True, before that, history and geography were listened to and answered * imported *. That is why at the end of training, upon graduation, we received a diploma of the military translator of the 3 class.
            Since the 1973 of the year, I no longer had to systematically learn German, but what was put in the cadet was enough for me to communicate in the Munich beer house and in the 2015 year.


            It was interesting to hear how you “talked” in German all evening, which subsequently was enough only for a beer house: two beers, thanks, another beer ... This is the level of an interpreter of 3 class! Lost time. Do not make me laugh.
      2. ramzes1776 2 September 2015 18: 41 New
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        And what is not taught German at military universities now? In our school, I studied German almost the entire platoon.
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      1. marlin1203 2 September 2015 13: 52 New
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        Day without a mat! laughing
    5. War and Peace 2 September 2015 14: 37 New
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      how stupid, you come to a Russian school, and there everyone speaks English.
      But doesn’t the students be taught to teach shamans the basics of management and commerce? In general, for the future officer, the main thing is to skillfully learn how to handle personnel and weapons, but with a potential enemy it is better not to learn the language, but to destroy it together with the language. And there are all kinds of foreign affairs negotiations, they exist for this ...
      1. Koshak 2 September 2015 15: 15 New
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        Quote: war and peace
        how stupid, you come to a Russian school, and there everyone speaks English.
        But doesn’t the students be taught to teach shamans the basics of management and commerce? In general, for the future officer, the main thing is to skillfully learn how to handle personnel and weapons, but with a potential enemy it is better not to learn the language, but to destroy it together with the language. And there are all kinds of foreign affairs negotiations, they exist for this ...

        It does not interfere. In the Russian Empire, every officer was required to know French. And if, let’s say, they took the “language”, how to communicate with him, drag him to the Foreign Ministry, let Lavrov interrogate him?
      2. Boa kaa 2 September 2015 22: 13 New
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        Quote: war and peace
        but for a probable opponent it is better not to learn its language, but to destroy it together with its language.

        Narrow-mindedness is only good when wearing helmets! (C)
        A colleague, the interrogation of a prisoner of war is a criminal minimum of any self-respecting military man in an officer rank !!!!
        If you’re not even capable of it ... well, then, * Eskuzi mi, pliz *!
    6. Mister22408 2 September 2015 14: 57 New
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      Better on ZTU with shooting and MTD laughing
    7. 31R-US 2 September 2015 15: 13 New
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      And who has the right dialect? Maaaskvichi. Ryazansky do not need to offend hi
      1. Boa kaa 2 September 2015 22: 17 New
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        Quote: 31R-US
        And who has the right dialect? at the Maaaskvichs.

        Colleague, you are mistaken: not * at the Maaaskvich *,
        and in masked animals it’s a special breed of the human race! yes
      2. Lenivets 2 September 2015 22: 25 New
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        Well, if you call Muscovites - "Maaaskvichi", then maybe you will call Ryazans - Rooozans? hi
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    9. Prisoner 2 September 2015 19: 00 New
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      And then do not leave and did not leave? “French” certainly, I’m silent about Farsi. It's time to honor the Anglo-Saxons with a visit. love
    10. boroda64 3 September 2015 02: 16 New
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      = Sentence offer ....
      ....
      - examine all "potential opponents"
      - Russian ....
  2. Decathlon 2 September 2015 13: 23 New
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    I would have been unable all day without a Russian mat! recourse
    1. roskot 2 September 2015 13: 40 New
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      And the mat they will definitely be in Russian.
    2. little girl15 2 September 2015 13: 49 New
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      It is simply impossible to do without a second Russian language in the modern world.
  3. Smoked 2 September 2015 13: 23 New
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    I wonder what will be the language? Chinese or Hindi?
    1. PQ-18 2 September 2015 13: 44 New
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      UKRAINIAN! wassat
      and optionally - Moldavian (Romanian)

      RVVDKU cadets must know the phrase without hesitation:
      "As you show, you show me the Rabbit with Parashey, then I will give you a great shatok of bacon!"
      1. engineer74 2 September 2015 14: 02 New
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        In vain you laugh, by the way, a good tool of political trolling! Order of the Commander of the Airborne Forces: "The next foreign language is Estonian!" And in the EU +200 thousand refugees! Lepota! wink
        1. 31R-US 2 September 2015 14: 53 New
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          Quote: engineer74
          foreign language - Estonian! "

          physically a linguistic phrase is uttered, but a sentence is only being formed and considered in the brain, a very complex language, I think our Eestonian fighters will not be pulled.
          1. engineer74 2 September 2015 18: 00 New
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            Pull! Checkmate in Estonian is no different from a checkmate in Russian!
          2. Prisoner 2 September 2015 20: 14 New
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            It will work out. Only Estonians will not understand, or rather will not have time to understand.
  4. rotmistr60 2 September 2015 13: 26 New
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    on Wednesday, the entire military school will speak English

    Shamans is right. It is necessary to apply one of the army principles: "If you do not know how - we will teach, if you do not want to - we will force". And there will always be opponents. That is why, by order, and not of any democracy. Army and democracy are not compatible.
    1. little girl15 2 September 2015 13: 52 New
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      Officers are required to know the language of the likely enemy.
    2. ASK505 2 September 2015 20: 39 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      nor any democracy. Army and democracy are not compatible.


      What kind of English is there, if the civil war is very close to the Russian language? Particles "neither" and "not" in the words "no" and "incompatible" are written together! These are elementary things. Polyglot, damn on Wednesdays the whole school. “You want to listen to songs, but I have them” is at best the level of a foreign language.
      1. Boa kaa 2 September 2015 22: 24 New
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        Quote: ASK505
        “You want to listen to songs, but I have them” is at best the level of a foreign language.

        Naira, I am truly sorry for you if you completed your education with such baggage!
  5. Siberia55 2 September 2015 13: 26 New
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    This is enough)))
  6. Alexey M 2 September 2015 13: 26 New
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    Shamans right man offers smart things.
    P.S. Although not so. Shamanov is the right MUZHIK ....... wink
  7. Lt. Air Force stock 2 September 2015 13: 28 New
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    "but in this case he (the future officer) will be helped not by orders, but by an effective training program (course), which insures against excesses."
    As for opponents, and the need for an intensive course. In order to speak a foreign language fluently, you need to immerse yourself in the language environment, but since cadets cannot do this, one such day once a week should help with practice.
    Whatever the courses are good, it is usually one lesson every few days that has the opportunity to speak a foreign language, but where is the experience gained? Again, the opponents are instilling the old methodology when a student learns a foreign language for 11 years at school + 6 years as a student at the university, but does not know how to speak like that in the end.
    1. SibSlavRus 2 September 2015 13: 46 New
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      Good practice that applies to all the airborne forces (contract) to extend. For they will be the first and at a sufficiently high quality level in the territory of a potential adversary, in his own language (priority is English, right?) They will have to "politely communicate", alternating between an "amphibious, non-conversational, but very convincing" dialect.
      And if we recall (from our own experience) the peacekeeping operations of the Russian Airborne Forces in Former Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Kosovo (UNPROFOR, IFOR, SFOR, KFOR), then the knowledge of the local Serbo-Croatian and international English in the multinational peacekeeping forces greatly helped and facilitated understanding (especially knowledge local language :-)). And it’s very easy to learn these languages ​​in the medium of its carrier, but already having a fairly stable base.
      For each unit performing a military-combat mission, after all, a translator from a military university cannot be harassed.
      1. ASK505 2 September 2015 20: 46 New
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        Quote: SibSlavRus
        very easy to learn these languages ​​in the medium of its carrier


        Very easy ... And how do you imagine this? Have you tried it yourself? Empty conversations at an amateur level. And nothing has changed. "Hyundai Hoh and Hitler Kaput."
        1. SibSlavRus 3 September 2015 04: 39 New
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          I tried of course. I wrote in a comment that from my own experience. In three months or four, with the available base, he mastered almost all military terminology and features of expressions. Some of them had phrasebooks and dictionaries. And in the end, most of the Rusbats had a very good practice.
          I will say more, on the other hand, the Russian language was very popular. Moreover, some officers (of the American army) studied it back then, in the early 1990s, in Kiev, which is already remarkable.

          And the level of command in the army is necessary not to reproduce the classics of literature in the original language of the author, but for other purposes. And for this, "conversational amateur", but in military terminology is enough. Classes in the field can also be perfectly organized and conducted (for example, when cleaning weapons as part of a unit).

          And, because you have such an inability to speak languages ​​... (judging by the sarcastic comment), then who is to blame?
  8. loginovich 2 September 2015 13: 31 New
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    Quote: Smoked
    I wonder what will be the language? Chinese or Hindi?



    Or fenya?
  9. evil partisan 2 September 2015 13: 32 New
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    In a foreign language? what

    Type: "Sir! Could you be so kind as to deign to show me Honor, if, of course, it doesn’t hinder you very much, let me touch the depths of your Knowledge, which on my part will entail the deepest appreciation and admiration for Your eloquence! "
    Translated to the public: "Dude! Tell me a new joke. I have 100g!!".
  10. vladimirw 2 September 2015 13: 37 New
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    And it is correct_ Airborne will be the first to interrogate prisoners
    1. Serg 122 2 September 2015 14: 40 New
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      Quote...
      And it is correct_ Airborne will be the first to interrogate prisoners

      If there is no order: "Do not take prisoners!" soldier
  11. Mountain shooter 2 September 2015 13: 38 New
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    We need to know the language of partners. An officer with a command of a foreign language will automatically increase self-respect, and in which case it will be of great benefit. And without immersion in the language environment, no courses will help, I was convinced from my own experience. He taught at school and in high school, and spoke only when he got into the situation when, besides English, he couldn’t use anyone else. Two weeks was enough, and where did that come from?
  12. vladimirw 2 September 2015 13: 38 New
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    And it is correct_ Airborne will be the first to interrogate prisoners
  13. pavelty 2 September 2015 13: 38 New
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    A funny decision, it’s probably even useful, though it’s not clear how it will be done locally)) I had one of the foreign teachers in the school, he spoke with all the students, even during breaks, spoke only English, it was informative ... the truth then with crazy uncle
  14. ARES623 2 September 2015 13: 47 New
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    If an updated methodology for teaching the language is added to the order, the number of hours will increase, the demand for academic performance will increase, then we can expect positive results. We remember, for the failure in physical training, it was possible not to go on vacation, because we trained not for fear, but for conscience, including at night. For half a year, “sausages” began to fit into “ud”, and by summer they reached the “choir” and “exl.” The main thing is that they learn to speak the correct language, otherwise they will become numb in such a "hairdryer" that not a single Oxford will straighten it out.
    1. corn 2 September 2015 13: 54 New
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      and then in such a "hair dryer" ossify

      Veri led, oak table laughing
      Face about the table laughing
      1. evil partisan 2 September 2015 14: 43 New
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        Quote: corn
        Veri led, oak table
        Face about the table

        what
        "Ai, uh, mouth ebout yu." repeat
        1. ASK505 2 September 2015 21: 03 New
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          Quote: wicked partisan
          "Ai, uh, mouth ebout yu."


          Colonel General on the site, but with a level of thinking homeless. Do you even think that you are here with your head?
  15. awersa 2 September 2015 13: 47 New
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    And in which language specifically? Who needs a kerdyk? laughing
    1. little girl15 2 September 2015 16: 08 New
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      Yes on obscene. The most universal ...
    2. Koshak 2 September 2015 16: 08 New
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      Quote: awersa
      And in which language specifically? Who needs a kerdyk? laughing


      Remember the letters of the alphabet and re-read the whole article, not just the title
      Shamans:
      Therefore, the order. All five years we will be studying in a specialized school, as a rule, it will be English.
      1. ASK505 2 September 2015 21: 07 New
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        Quote: Koshak
        All five years we will be studying in the school profile, as a rule, it will be English.


        But in vain. Just go to Germany - and is treated, and relax, and business. German except Germany is also in Austria, Hungary, the Czech Republic, in the north of Italy - Tyrol, Switzerland. The main strap in Europe is pulled by the Germans.
  16. Abbra 2 September 2015 13: 50 New
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    GOU !!! Where??? In the USA, pliz ...
  17. AndreyS 2 September 2015 13: 59 New
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    Voooot! The Airborne Forces are going to visit, they are learning the language of the host country !!!!!!!!
  18. PQ-18 2 September 2015 14: 01 New
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    "It’s hard to learn, easy ... BEYOND THE BOGROS!" angry
  19. Aleksandr1959 2 September 2015 14: 02 New
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    The main condition for mastering a foreign language is language practice. And on Wednesday or on other days, this is really a matter of command and people planning the educational process.
    It would be nice to recall the methods of studying foreign languages ​​of the Bulgarian scientist George Lozanov, providing accelerated learning of foreign languages.
    1. ASK505 2 September 2015 21: 14 New
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      Quote: Aleksandr1959
      The main condition for mastering a foreign language is language practice.


      Language practice will never help to understand speech by ear if you do not know the laws of constructing sentences. Trying to talk without grammar is building a house without a foundation. If the goal is “it's yours to go to the store,” then go ahead with the song. A good example of such illiteracy is below in the memo from the "polite people".
      1. Aleksandr1959 2 September 2015 21: 45 New
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        About the grammar. Take the "English grammar in use" Raymond Murphy, Camdbrige. These books are of different levels. Specially issued for foreign students studying in England. In the electronic version they are. From these books, I don’t know how it is now, but about ten years ago we studied in non-linguistic universities, where they gave good knowledge of the English language. And in good English courses, this manual was one of the main ones.
  20. polite people 2 September 2015 14: 03 New
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    New memo
    1. engineer74 2 September 2015 14: 07 New
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      Insert someone, a piece of "National Hunt", where the General speaks Finnish! smile
      (I don’t know how from the phone)
  21. Navigator2013 2 September 2015 14: 05 New
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    Quote: vorobey
    will they go for an internship? Ryazan dialect can be eradicated only by communicating with native speakers of this foreign language for a long time ...

    And with carriers even better, take a word ... lol
  22. VP
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    And how will the teaching staff communicate?
    Is everyone English fluent there?
    Or will there be separate reinforced courses for them since the order is one for all?
    1. ASK505 2 September 2015 16: 28 New
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      Shamans forgot the level of German, for example, after school. 950 hours and a solid marriage. Hyundai Hoch and Hitler Kaput. English is no better. A foreign language at school today is absurdity in the XNUMXst century, as an ensign among contract soldiers. More or less good conversational skills are gained today outside of school and university at ordinary courses. Neither at school nor at the university did anyone speak or speak the spoken language, and textbooks were a complete kaleidoscope and porridge.
  23. Vladimir 1964 2 September 2015 14: 07 New
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    I haven’t read the comments, the polemic is probably terrible. If we discard the army mentality, then the idea itself is correct. Of course, it is necessary to organize all this methodically, but in any case, I myself need to know the language myself. The first time in Turkey was difficult, and we went there where there are fewer of our fellow countrymen, over the next year I trained a little, believe me there were no problems at all.
  24. bannik 2 September 2015 14: 18 New
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    And for me, it’s better to teach cadets how to “learn” the Russian language.
  25. russmensch 2 September 2015 14: 19 New
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    It is strange, and that preparation at the school has fallen so badly? We had a foreign in a simple artillery and we went out with quite decent knowledge. Then after all, upon admission to the academy they passed it. Personally, I received a diploma of a translator at the school. True, all this was under the "damned Bolsheviks." After all, we were prepared for war with the entire "democratic world." That's Serdyukov all decent schools collapsed. Even encroached on Ryazan - thank God they defended.
    1. ASK505 2 September 2015 21: 23 New
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      Quote: russmensch
      We had a foreign in a simple artillery and we went out with quite decent knowledge. Then after all, upon admission to the academy they passed it. Personally, I received a diploma of a translator at the school.


      I do not believe. He served in the 128th Guards Artillery Regiment (8th Army, 57th Infantry Detachment) in the GSVG. The guys were from different schools, but besides the “Hyde Hoh” I never heard anything good. Where do translators come from? From which side of the street to which?
  26. mikh-korsakov 2 September 2015 14: 40 New
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    Each graduate is required to speak three languages: Russian, command and abusive. As for speaking in a foreign language, first of all, it should be decided how the cadet should contact the cadet: sir, Mr. (in English) or H. er (in German).
    1. Aleksandr1959 2 September 2015 15: 25 New
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      As follows from the joke, it turns out not three, but two, for the command and obscene .... one and the same wassat
  27. ImPerts 2 September 2015 14: 42 New
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    The most correct solution is to learn a language in a particular country with native speakers of this language)))
    1. ASK505 2 September 2015 16: 14 New
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      Who said that?
      1. ImPerts 3 September 2015 05: 59 New
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        Ya
        The group is abandoned and acts. At the same time practicing pronunciation.
        1. w3554152 4 September 2015 08: 43 New
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          The forum on foreign languages ​​corresponds to the level of knowledge of these languages ​​and competence in this problem. About nothing. Like one “marshal” from the couch: “I am writing to make fun.”
  28. Heimdall 2 September 2015 17: 49 New
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    without knowledge of the enemy language is impossible
  29. Prisoner 2 September 2015 20: 17 New
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    Strategic Rocket Forces is good, it is enough for them to learn one phrase in English "the end".
  30. Nehist 2 September 2015 20: 23 New
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    Another crazy idea, as always with an excess. And as I read the comments, it became so funny. Dear, it seems that many lose their common sense. Languages, of course, need to be studied, but not in an orderly form, and indeed how will this be done? Have you even imagined? I imagined, except for laughter, nothing came of it ...
    1. Egevich 2 September 2015 20: 32 New
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      Quote: Nehist
      Another crazy idea, as always with an excess. And as I read the comments, it became so funny. Dear, it seems that many lose their common sense. Languages, of course, need to be studied, but not in an orderly form, and indeed how will this be done? Have you even imagined? I imagined, except for laughter, nothing came of it ...


      Yes, as always - at first it’s hard, then easier, then very easy ... but what funny thing have you seen, I don’t understand?
    2. Aleksandr1959 2 September 2015 21: 08 New
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      And in the army, everything seems to be done on orders. And training programs are approved by orders. Training methods are also introduced by orders. It will be possible to imagine how it will be done, especially for those who have taught language in serious courses. I recall how we have a group of no more than four people in our company in three or four hours of English lessons (speaking only in English, clumsily, not clumsily, anyone like in the beginning it turned out) I was tempted more than in a working day.
      I see no reason for laughing. Shamanov’s initiative would bring no harm other than benefit. For her, his graduates will still thank.
      At first it will go clumsily, laughter may cause cadets, then they will grind to the process, there will also be little environment. The main task of this "single day of a foreign language", as I understand it, is real language practice, the development of skills for the practical use of a foreign language.
      1. Cat man null 2 September 2015 21: 58 New
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        I see no reason for laughing. Shamanov’s initiative would bring no harm other than benefit. For her, his graduates will still thank.

        Umm .. I myself had this once ..

        I got to work (just like that) in an English-language office. They worked here, in the sense of Russians.

        Arctic fox ..

        All mail is in angelic. The bosses are freaks (foreigners, in the sense .. we drove them like that).

        After a couple of years, I easily traveled to Mexico (I can only use foul language in Spanish, but that’s another story), to steer the project ... rather big one ... the project was completed unsuccessfully. But - closed, there were no complaints about me.

        Total: knowledge of a second language - does not harm nirazu. It can be useful, in combination of circumstances.

        Something like that.
        1. Aleksandr1959 2 September 2015 22: 38 New
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          Similarly. Only we have another six months arranged. And now part of the staff is learning the language at the expense of the enterprise, but not so massively. There are different things - to talk with English-speaking representatives, or with those foreigners for whom English is not native. But they are taught not in our example.
          Total: knowledge of a second language does not harm even once. It can be useful, in combination of circumstances.

          Absolutely agree. At least to explain to foreigners. And by the way, when the Spaniards came, they didn’t have English in the tooth, they were given an interpreter. I asked how they cost in other countries, and they adjusted a lot of equipment. It turns out in the Wild West Tuyva Hucha Latinos, and they are mostly Hispanic.
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            Quote: Aleksandr1959
            There are different things - to talk with English-speaking representatives, or with those foreigners for whom English is not native. But they are taught not in our example.

            And then laughing

            We have a lot of people working there. Swedes, Hungarians, there were a couple of English natives (they were laughing at first, when we just started talking), and also - attention - Indians .. this, I say, is a song of songs .. they each have their own English request

            And so - at the institute, the Cubans studied with me. Also, when they started to master Russian, rzhach stood relentless. One cuban, for example, instead of “I have a big green pencil” wrote “I have a big green pencil” ..

            There were still numbers when the Cuban and the Vietnamese (they were there too) begin to send each other somewhere in Russian ..

            It was fun..
      2. Nehist 2 September 2015 23: 38 New
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        You apparently poorly imagine the realities of our army! Oddly enough, before approving a particular order for a training program in the Armed Forces, this program is comprehensively rolled around. Immediately with kondochka. Or remind you of the order of a monarch? Just what the order of the commander in chief of the Airborne Forces recalls
        1. Aleksandr1959 3 September 2015 00: 41 New
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          In fact, for twenty years of service, I hope that I recognized them well enough.
          And second, are you sure that the journalists intentionally or not took the words of General Shamanov out of context?
          Oddly enough, before approving a particular order for a training program in the Armed Forces, this program is comprehensively circled

          Run in where? Why not in a military school training officers for the Airborne Forces.
          Especially since the Soviet Army, the experience of studying in individual military educational institutions was. For example: the Red Banner Military Institute of the Moscow Region (now the Military University), the Kiev All-Arms Command School (training reconnaissance platoon commanders with knowledge of ... including the Chinese language.). And there was such a closed institution as the Academy of the Soviet Army.
          One more thing. I have experience in language courses. Everything is not so simple .. everything is much simpler than you imagine. Under one, but a prerequisite, a person should want to learn a foreign language. Otherwise, all orders will be sideways.
          You ask yourself a question. Do you want to learn a foreign language? If so, then I don’t understand such a biased attitude towards learning foreign languages ​​in the army. If not ... then everything is clear. Well, no ... and there is no trial. Before criticizing, one must have experience, in this case, learning a language. I have it. Although not in the army. And you?
    3. ASK505 2 September 2015 21: 25 New
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      Another crazy idea, as always with an excess. And as I read the comments, it became so funny. Dear, it seems that many lose their common sense. Languages, of course, need to be studied, but not in an orderly form, and indeed how will this be done? Have you even imagined? I imagined, except for laughter, nothing came of it ...


      I shake the hand of the colonel. Debate can be closed. And bitter and funny.
      1. Aleksandr1959 2 September 2015 21: 56 New
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        In vain you are so pessimistic. You commented very well on the problem. Yes, this is not enough school training in foreign languages, and chaotic programs in foreign languages ​​for universities. But, if you do nothing, then this situation will continue.
        Shamanov is trying to turn the tide.
        By the way, about the Russian language, you also wrote very correctly. Literacy is poor. Up to the point that people do not check the grammar of the printed, at least with the help of a computer.
        PS We often whine about what we are tired of, that we need to change something, but at the same time, apart from our whining, we do nothing.
        If a person does not want to learn a foreign language ... or something else, then you will not be forced to do it by any “thematic” medium.
    4. Oleg14774 2 September 2015 21: 34 New
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      Another crazy idea, as always with an excess.

      Far from delusional. Maybe from the point of view of training, it’s not very effective, but psychologically something is needed!
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        In terms of training too. In fact, this is an attempt to immerse a person in a linguistic environment. And let him try to talk clumsily and stutter at the beginning, but each time it will turn out better.
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    I would like to hear from the respected (otherwise, nothing!) Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Airborne Forces a command to all Western "opponents" of Russia: "Build on disposal !!"
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    The feeling that journalists could tear out the words of Shamanov from the general context does not leave. And, as often happens, give a slightly different semantic connotation. Something I can not believe that Shamanov from the floundering bay made such a decision. It may very well be that it is based on improving the process of teaching foreign in military schools. And there are not only "language environments".
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    I support it, it’s a good initiative, it makes sense to spread it to other branches of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, including contract soldiers, it is equally useful to speak a colloquial language both in civilian and in the army, at least at the level of the 100 most common phrases and sentences ...
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    First, who will control them?

    Second: if it is a day without classes, then - you can without straining to go through it with a small clip of conversational phrases.
    And what about classes?
    Teachers will still read them in Russian.

    No, guys!
    For a QUALITY SHIFT in mastery (to the extent of fluent) another approach is needed.
    And I know which one.
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      For a QUALITY SHIFT in mastery (to the extent of fluent) another approach is needed.
      And I know which

      Write about this approach. I think it will be interesting. But, even if they are released with a level of Pre Intemediate. Intermediate, with the possibility of further improvement, will be fine.
      1. Doctor Savage 8 September 2015 11: 33 New
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        I already tried to put my text here ... about the literacy level of students at Moscow State University.

        They said they would check, they say. Before publishing.

        And - not published.

        So the "hint" was understood by me.