In the US, they tied the collapse of their stock market with problems in the Chinese economy

The biggest shock has shown itself in the US stock market. Index quotes Dow Jones for the first time in 4-5 years collapsed immediately on 3,12%. Index NASDAQ decreased by almost 3%. Fell by 2,7% and S & P500, “Breaking through” the psychological mark in 2000 points. In the US, they said that such a fall was due to a slowdown in the growth of the Chinese economy, Chinese stock "problems", as well as to the devaluation of the Chinese yuan. Recall that recently the official Beijing decided to lower the rate of the national currency by 2% in order to maintain high competition of Chinese goods on the world market. This decision was negatively reacted in Washington.

The leader of the fall among the major US companies was Apple, whose shares fell immediately by 6%. This led to the fact that the company only lost a lot of money over the past night - almost 158 billion dollars! Reports about it USA Today.

The US presidential candidate (more precisely, the candidate for the Republican Party) Donald Trump said that such a fall would lead to a serious increase in unemployment in the United States and a new crisis wave. At the same time, Trump says that the official statistics authorities are misleading Americans today, saying that unemployment in the United States does not exceed 6%. According to Trump and analysts of his companies, the real unemployment rate in the country is about 21%, and among young people up to 27 years - about 42%.

It should be noted that not a single “international” consulting group made any predictions about a significant subsidence of the American stock market. In addition, not a single “independent” rating agency thought to lower the sovereign rating of the United States and the rating of American companies ...

Comments

[Baikonur]

Yes, and + Putin undermines the US economy!
What is it here!
They pounced on the "long-suffering" on all fronts, sinister Russian-Chinese!
"Tear to shreds" our sustainable reinforced concrete economy!
connecting rods and dragons!
MONEY!

[milann]

Quote: Baikonur

It should be noted that not a single “international” consulting group made any predictions about a significant subsidence of the American stock market. In addition, not a single “independent” rating agency thought to lower the sovereign rating of the United States and the rating of American companies ...

And what now to blame?
Where to go, where to go?
Dry out, or wrestle?
Or maybe immediately tear the claws
and somewhere the Chinese surrender.

And most importantly, all of a sudden ...
all of a sudden and immediately ...
and little blue gas
and the rustle of enemies (padluk),
and life, like a moment, and a moment, like a glitch ...
and we get up on the wrong foot
so that circles do not come from us.

[vezunchik]

where now will thieves run ?? To China??

[svetoruss]

Quote: vezunchik

where now will thieves run ?? To China??

In China, they shoot their thieves, having previously taken the money for a bullet, that it will not be difficult to imagine doing with a stranger ...

[2ez]

Moreover, the Chinese officers, as far as I know, even a competition for this event is in progress ...

[Mitek]

In fact, good is not enough. Oil will fall even more, and then the ruble. The crisis promises to be global. As before the First World War.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Mitek

In fact, good is not enough. Oil will fall even more, and then the ruble. The crisis promises to be global. As before the First World War.

This is very good, oil will fall so the government will take care of its economy, industry and other things, an excess of gas oil will lead to lower domestic prices, and the lower the energy resources, the faster industry is developing, the high oil price is an addiction for Russia.

[bes513]

Will not lead to a decrease. Gasoline went up again a few days ago (Belgorod Region, Rosneft filling station (the nearest one for me) - 95th - 36 rubles.) There are just Jesuits in the government. I do not understand the economic reasons for this, my education is biological. The feeling that there is "at the top" just p.leva.t on the country, if you plan for the future. They live one day, grab, then for permanent residence and pour de.r.mo on our heads as experts. And you at least die in your chalk.

[Deniska]

Everything is very simple!!! If export income decreases, it is compensated by the price of domestic consumption (this is with regards to oil and gasoline). We think that the country is losing money and they have a law of conservation of "energy". If somewhere has departed, then somewhere has arrived))

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Deniska

... We think that the country is losing money and they have a law of conservation of "energy". If somewhere has departed, then somewhere has arrived))

This is as long as you can milk your people.

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: saturn.mmm

This is as long as you can milk your people.

There was no need to lose the cold war. We live in a country that has lost the Cold War and this will come back to us more than once.

DO NOT lose the war, neither cold nor hot !!!

[Truth]

Quote: bes513

It will not lead to a decrease

You are right in your forecasts, and indeed this is already a tradition ...
- Oil is getting more expensive - gas is getting more expensive.
- Oil is getting cheaper - gas is getting more expensive.
- Oil is stable in price - one hell, gasoline is getting more expensive.

I suspect that this is not about oil, but about someone's greed ...
And it is treated, as comrade SVETORUSS observed, with a lead pill in a brass shell.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: bes513

It will not lead to a decrease. Gasoline went up again a few days ago (Belgorod Region, Rosneft gas station (the closest one is mine) - 95th - 36 rubles)

And calculate this price against the dollar and compare it with the previous year.
This is still demand (the population still has a lot of money on hand), then when demand falls, the price will fall.

[Vladimir 1964]

We will not have price reductions. Losses in the foreign market, our alligators, together with the managers of all levels feeding from them, will be compensated for at our expense, so as not to drop the level of our well-being.

[EGOrkka]

Gas in many countries of the world is not only a product of sales, but a way of collecting tax! A kind of tax product, by consuming which the added value deducted to the budget is paid.

[atalef]

Quote: EGOrkka

Gas in many countries of the world is not only a product of sales, but a way of collecting tax! A kind of tax product, by consuming which the added value deducted to the budget is paid.

Yes, we have 62% of the price of gas - direct and indirect taxes - but it is getting cheaper.

[Corporal Valera]

And "here" is where, excuse me? In Russia, it seems, there were 53

[atalef]

Quote: saturn.mmm

This is very good, oil will fall so the government will take care of its economy, industry and so on, an excess of gas oil will lead to lower domestic prices, and the lower the energy resources, the faster industry will develop.

Development implies investment, and for this we need money, a lot of money.

Quote: saturn.mmm

high oil price is an addiction for Russia.

The high price of oil was a unique chance for Russia when there was much to be done, from investments in priority sectors, personnel, etc.
But they were generally taken a walk

[Sid.74]

Quote: atalef

Development implies investment, and for this we need money, a lot of money.

And what investments in the USSR were under Stalin?

[atalef]

Quote: Sid.74

And what investments in the USSR were under Stalin?

And what, factories were built for nothing? Gos.plan invested (or who else is there).
Anyway, how can you compare the USSR and Russia.
Different system. different economies - everything is different.

[bmv04636]

Yes, it's good that oil fell. "Light elves" have to push terribly expensive oil shale on the cheap, and the reserves of this oil shale are so limited and forecasts have been greatly revised towards their reduction.

[atalef]

Quote: bmv04636

Yes, it's good that oil fell. "Light elves" have to push terribly expensive oil shale on the cheap, and the reserves of this oil shale are so limited and forecasts have been greatly revised towards their reduction.

In general, forecasts are not grateful.
According to all forecasts, even with 70 bucks, the shale should have bent, oil shouldn’t have cost less than 80 bucks at all, with 60 the whole world economy would have to fall apart, the US states would bend, the briks and SCO would rise, the EU should die, and the yuan and the ruble to become a reserve currency - how? come true?

[Semurg]

Quote: Sid.74

Quote: atalef

Development implies investment, and for this we need money, a lot of money.

And what investments in the USSR were under Stalin?

Under Stalin, a third of his salary for voluntary-compulsory state loans was kept from his father (these pieces of paper are still lying somewhere in the attic of the parental home). On the topic of the article, only one American company Apple lost 150 yards in Baku, which is equal to the annual budget of any country. Reading such news, you understand that if the farting starts in the USA, diarrhea starts all over the world. Recently, the second economy of the world was in a fever, now the first economy is shaking. Oh, to get to the Chinese that he wanted me to live in an era of change, I would be strangled by a reptile , the collapse of the USSR was enough for me to see, and here they predict the collapse of the United States after which the whole familiar way and standard of living will collapse, hoping after that to live well on the ashes.

[atalef]

Quote: Semurg

Under Stalin, a third of his salary for voluntary-compulsory state loans was kept from his father (these pieces of paper are still lying somewhere in the attic of the parental home)

I still have the same (as a memory)

Quote: Semurg

On the topic of the article, only one American company Apple lost 150 yards in Baku, which is equal to the annual budget of any country

this is not so. since the beginning of the year, Apple has lost 3.5%.
If you take it from the maximum (in February), then the loss of 25% of capitalization, the Last iPhone - the people did not inspire.

Quote: Semurg

Recently, the second economy of the world was in a fever, now the first economy is shaking.

One is connected with the other, but in China they can handle it. they have enough reserves, and the people are obedient. But in general, if you continue (God forbid), China will drag everyone.

Quote: Semurg

Oh, to get to the Chinese that he wanted me to live in an era of change, I would be strangled by a reptile

The global economy, today it’s Chinese - tomorrow the Indian-- you can not strangle everyone

Quote: Semurg

and here they predict the collapse of the United States

do not rush about this.
How is it with you? I hope I kept the money in bucks?
Nazarbayev saved the country, devaluation is bad, but with such a trade balance with Russia. Nazarbayev could not keep the tenge at the same level or spend all foreign exchange reserves and (would not drive it into default), but life would definitely complicate it.

[Semurg]

tenge devaluation was expected in winter and spring after the fall of the ruble. But we had an extraordinary presidential election in the spring, then the 75th anniversary of the "father". In general, they devalued by the end of the summer. Well, the "strategic reserve" always lies in dollars and for everyday needs tenge, and so this is a sharp devaluation of tenge in my memory, and after each devaluation the government swears that this is the last time. True, the day before yesterday the National Academy of Sciences spoke on TV and said that the lafa was over and we were waiting for 5-5 years of lean years.

[Corporal Valera]

Under Stalin, a third of his salary for voluntary-compulsory state loans was kept from his father (these pieces of paper are still lying somewhere in the attic of the parental home).

From the bastards! After the war, they decided to restore the country without a Marshal's plan! You would have these "pieces of paper" - in a frame and on a wall. And they would show their children.

[Corporal Valera]

And what investments in the USSR were under Stalin?

Under Stalin, there were two independent cash flows - cash and non-cash. Non-cash money was used for settlements between enterprises, and in fact it was not money. However, it was this turnover that helped develop and control the industry. Cashless turnover was many times greater than cash. This is where your "investments" came from. A small part of non-cash money fell into various funds, including salary funds. These funds were tightly controlled by the state, since cash turnover began here. Then, through utility bills, shops, etc., cash was collected from the population and again flowed into non-cash circulation. The collapse of the USSR economy began with the breaking of the "partition" between these turnovers and money poured into the population from non-cash turnover. So the country has artificially created a shortage of goods and inflation. By the way, thanks to this particular system in the USSR there was a low income tax, since there was no point in it

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Under Stalin, there were two independent cash flows - cash and non-cash

This was before Stalin, and after, and now it is (do not read the ravings of Katasonov and Khramov about Stalin - read Stalin himself)

However, it was this turnover that helped develop and control industry.

Yes, not the turnover that has been used universally for 300 years, but the social system, the plan, and, most importantly, the goal (the goal determines actions).

What is the significance of the nationalization of banks?
The fact that individual banks and their operations no real control (even if commercial secrets are canceled, etc.) is impossible, because you can not keep track of those complex, confusing and ingenious tricks that are used in the preparation of balances, with the establishment of fictitious enterprises and branches , when launching dummies, and so on and so forth. Only the union of all banks into one, without, in itself, meaning, not the slightest change in property relations, without taking away, we repeat, does not give a single penny to any owner, the possibility of actual control. Only with the nationalization of banks can it be possible for the state to know where and how, whence and at what time millions and billions are being poured. And only control over banks, over the center, over the main core and the main mechanism of capitalist circulation would allow us to establish in practice, and not in words, control over the entire economic life, over the production and distribution of the most important products, and to establish the “regulation of economic life” that otherwise it is condemned inevitably to remain a ministerial phrase for inflating the common people.
(Lenin "The impending catastrophe and how to deal with it")

The collapse of the USSR economy began with the breaking of the "partition" between these turnovers and money poured into the population from non-cash circulation

Nothing surged.
The Stalinist (and in fact Leninist) version suggested an increase in the purchasing power of the population due to lower prices, which was what happened.
And with khrushche and labeled (with labeled maliciously) they went for populist measures and stupidly increased salaries, which exceeded the level of steel production one of causes of commodity shortages.

[Corporal Valera]

This was before Stalin, and after, and now there is

The question was about how it was under Stalin.

do not read the ravings of Katasonov and Khramov about Stalin - read Stalin himself

And let me, I myself will decide who to read and who not to read

Yes, not the turnover that has been used universally for 300 years, but the social system, the plan, and, most importantly, the goal (the goal determines actions).

The question was where the investment came from. Banks are money lines, if you want. Money still needs to be earned

Nothing surged

What are you saying?
And the Law on State Enterprise (Association) of 1987 then what is it?

and stupidly increased salaries

And the money, of course, "stupidly" printed? Can you then answer the question, what part of the profits of enterprises went to economic stimulus funds in 1990?

PS But for the banks plus

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Corporal Valera

The question was about how it was under Stalin.

The issue boiled down to positive actions for the economy.

And let me, I myself will decide who to read and who not to read

You are free to read whatever you like.
But do not be surprised that there is someone who will fit in with unsolicited advice after your reference to deliberate stupidity.

The question was where the investment came from.

It was written a little higher that - "The question was about how it was under Stalin.".

You are very inconsistent.

Banks are money lines, if you want. Money still needs to be earned

And money is the universal equivalent of value, a product in monitor terms.

And?

What are you saying?
And the Law on State Enterprise (Association) of 1987 then what is it?

More specifically (article, text)?

And the money, of course, "stupidly" printed?

Essentially, yes.

Maybe then answer the question, what part of the profits of enterprises went into the economic stimulus funds in 1990?

I will not answer (it is necessary to understand this issue in detail), but most likely in the region of zero, and this certainly does not apply to the topic you have stated.

However, I understood both you and your mistake.

What you are talking about is not a mixture of cash and cashless payments, but permission to FREE (uncontrolled and unaccountable) cashing of non-cash money (the actions are exactly the reverse of what Lenin says in the quote I quote).

[Corporal Valera]

A little higher it was written that - "The question was about how it was under Stalin."
You are very inconsistent.

Let me just copy the question. There is both the word "investment" and the word "Stalin".

What investments in the USSR were under Stalin?

So ok?

You are free to read whatever you like.

Thank you

But do not be surprised that there is someone who will fit in with unsolicited advice after your reference to deliberate stupidity.

Well, I’ll survive some unsolicited advice. The main thing is that he himself is not stupid

And?

What kind of money and what are you secured will you keep in controlled banks?

More specifically (article, text)?

Well let's get Art. 3 points 1 and 2 to begin with.

I will not answer (it is necessary to understand this question in detail)

Do not. Already understood. In 1985, economic incentive funds received 16% of the income of enterprises, and in 1990 48%.

In fact, yes

In fact, 32 extra percent were cashed.

However, I understood both you and your mistake.
What you are talking about is not a mix of cash and cashless payments.

That's right. What is the error?

and a permit for FREE (uncontrolled and non-accountable) cashing of non-cash money (the actions are exactly the opposite to what Lenin says in the quote quoted above).

I didn’t try to argue with Lenin

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Corporal Valera

So ok?

It will do.

However, the bottom line is that you, having written about a two-tier system, repeated Katasonov, who declared that Stalin introduced such a system, and that success in the development of the economy is due to this system, and this is not true and leads away from understanding the true reasons for success - the social system, plan and goals.

The first task is to plan in such a way as to ensure the independence of the socialist economy from the capitalist environment. This is by far the most important. This is a form of struggle with world capitalism. To ensure that you have metal and machines in your hands, so as not to become an appendage to the capitalist economy - this is the basis of planning. This is the main thing. On this basis, the GOELRO plan and subsequent plans were drawn up.
How to organize planning? Their capital is spontaneously distributed by industry, depending on profit. If we developed industries depending on their profitability, we would have developed flour mills, manufacture of toys (they are expensive and give a lot of profit), textiles, but we would not have heavy industry. It requires large investments, it is unprofitable at first. A departure from the development of heavy industry is what the Rykovites proposed. we turned the laws of capitalist economy upside down, put them on our heads, or rather, on our feet. We started with the development of heavy industry and engineering. Without planning the economy, nothing will happen. (Conversation by I.V. Stalin on political economy. Record January 29, 1941)

What kind of money and what are you secured will you keep in controlled banks?

Issued by the state for manufactured goods and provided with these goods.

Article 3 paragraphs 1 and 2

Self-financing, another purposeful step towards a "market" economy, thanks to which the management of enterprises got rid of state control and got the opportunity to conduct business in accordance with their understanding and goals - what does this have to do with mixing cash with non-cash?

In fact, 32 extra percent were cashed

It doesn’t matter: the monetary base either corresponds to the level of production (and then everything is normal), or exceeds it (and then in the conditions of the market inflation, and in the conditions of fixed prices a commodity deficit), and in what den.baza is expressed (cash, cashless, valuable paper or workdays) - it does not matter.

What is the error?

The fact that it’s not a cashing in of money that has occurred before is a problem, but permission to free their cashing out in order to ensure the possibility of enterprises working under conditions of cost accounting, which was one of the steps for the targeted dismantling of the social system and a return to capitalism.

This is a counter-revolution, and Katasonov gives it up as a mistake that can be corrected by changing one element of the financial system (opportunism in its purest form).

[Corporal Valera]

Sorry, you certainly write the right things, but in my opinion they’ve dug deeply. You are talking about the overall success of the social economy. And I won’t even argue with that. But the conversation was about where the investment came from. So you write yourself

Issued by the state for manufactured goods and provided with these goods.

Those. it was not stupid typing, and enterprises, thanks to a properly organized economy, had money for investments. And last but not least, two IMMIXABLE money circuits played in this organization. As for Katasonov, I’m not very familiar with his work. I read a couple of articles, but in my opinion it’s you just repeating it. And I don’t see any mistakes here. He also considers ownership of the joint venture, a prescriptive nature, focus on physical indicators, and accelerated development of the group of industries A to be the main conditions ... That's right.

The fact is that not cashing out money, which has occurred before, is a problem, but allowing them to be cashed out freely to ensure that enterprises can operate under self-financing, which was one of the steps for the targeted dismantling of the social system and a return to capitalism.

That's right. Cashing took place. That’s why I cited 1985 and 1990 for comparison. Incentive funds, I mean. Here is what Kara-Murza writes:

There has been a spasmodic increase in personal income without any connection with production. The annual increase in cash income of the population in the USSR was in 1981-1987. an average of 15,7 billion rubles., and in 1988-1990. amounted to 66,7 billion rubles. In 1991, in the first half of the year alone, cash incomes of the population grew by 95 billion rubles.

And this was done with the help of the Law on State Enterprise (Association) of 1987. There are still laws there, of course, on cooperation, on individual labor. active ... But I see no reason to bring them all

This is a counter-revolution, and Katasonov gives it up as a mistake that can be corrected by changing one element of the financial system (opportunism in its purest form).

Sorry, but I didn’t read such a thing from Katasonov. If there is, then he is very wrong, of course. There, only a regulatory framework was prepared for five to six years. What kind of mistake is this? This is a deliberate deliberate demolition of the socialist economy.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Corporal Valera

thanks to a properly organized economy, enterprises had money for investments

Not this way.

Investment is a broad term, and the state was the main investor in the USSR.
Initially, investments were made in the form of advance payments for the labor of citizens, concession transactions (we give them oil / gold, they give us enterprises / equipment), trade transactions (we give them grain / "jewelry", they give us currency, then machines / machines are purchased in foreign currency and distributed by the state according to plan).
Then the state invested only through trade transactions and through the forces of its economy through the redistribution of surplus product.

But the key to all this is the conditions (socialist production), the plan (everything is laid out in Stalin's quote) and the goal (satisfying the needs of the population), and not cash and cashless payments (cashless exists simply because it is more convenient when manipulating large sums).
And in terms of calculations, the key is state control (everything is laid out in Lenin's quote), and not mixing-up invented by Katasonov (if necessary, cashless payments are easily cashed, and if there is control, this does no harm)

but in my opinion it’s you just repeating it

Not - I'm not turned on conspiracy theology and gold

There has been a spasmodic increase in personal income without any connection with production

So it happened due to the LOCAL increase in salaries, and this is only possible with additional emission. The volumes of the federal wage bill and the FMP for enterprises were different, but salaries increased everywhere, and legislatively - http://www.bestpravo.ru/sssr/gn-praktika/y6b.htm.
Where was the money taken from the non-production sector? Only due to additional issue.

This is a deliberate deliberate demolition of the socialist economy.

Yes, but this is presented as a mistake, while the nowadays ubiquitous cash / bank transfer system, where the essence is control (which Katasonov does not go about) is presented as a panacea.

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: Uncle Joe

No - I'm not turning to conspiracy theology and gold laughing

You are turned on everything that harms modern Russia in any manifestations.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: VseDoFeNi

You are turned on everything that harms modern Russia in any manifestations.

I'm turned on everything that harms capitalism

[VseDoFeNi]

Oh how! And scolding only today's Russia. It's funny
Explain that it is necessary to nationalize the banking system, subsoil, strategic industries ... No, you pour slop on the Russian leadership, instead of helping him in word or deed.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: VseDoFeNi

No, you pour slop on the leadership of Russia, instead of helping him in word or deed.

Have you tried haloperidol?

There is no need for nationalization of the subsoil - they never left the property of the state.

But it is not possible to help the leadership in the nationalization of the banking system and strategic industries, since it is the leadership of the Russian Federation that produces private banks and continues privatization (including strategic enterprises)

“In the context of the acute crisis, many enterprises raised the question of completely transferring their business to the state, were ready and even offered it themselves. We didn’t take this path, we chose a different path - we put a shoulder to business, built a whole support system, but did not follow the path of nationalization of the economy. This is a fundamental choice of government. ”
(Vladimir Putin at a meeting with members of the RSPP board of directors April 21.04.2011, XNUMX)

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: Uncle Joe

There is no need for nationalization of the subsoil - they never left the property of the state.

How magically does oil recovered from state land become the property of the recipient?

Article 9

1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.

2. Land and other natural resources may be in privatestate, municipal and other forms of ownership.

Foolish. "In private" "And other forms of ownership" here the state does not smell, a citizen of a lie.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: VseDoFeNi

How magically does oil recovered from state land become the property of the recipient?

The government (proposed, appointed, but always approved by the president who determines the main directions of the policy) issues licenses to private owners to develop subsoil resources and concludes agreements with private owners under which the produced product (oil) may or may not belong to the private owner (depending on which the policy is carried out by the state and the president determines this policy)
At the same time, the subsoil continues to be owned by the state, and they do not need nationalization (to change the form of ownership from private to state)

Foolish. "In private" "And other forms of ownership" here the state does not smell, a citizen of a lie.

Aw, they can don't mean should.

Opanki - what will be in private ownership is determined by the State Duma of the Russian Federation and the president, who has the right to block the decisions of the State Duma, and determines the direction of the policy.

Goofy - despite the right to private property, the constitution not only does not imply, but also prohibits privatization, since:
17.3. The exercise of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen must not violate the rights and freedoms of others;
7.1. Russian Federation - a social state, whose policy is aimed at creating conditions ensuring a decent life and free human development.
80.2. The President of the Russian Federation is guarantor of the Constitution (the guarantor is the surety, the one who or what ensures the implementation, the performance of smth.) Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. In the manner prescribed by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, he takes measures to protect the sovereignty of the Russian Federation, its independence and state integrity, ensures the coordinated functioning and interaction of public authorities.
90 1. The President of the Russian Federation issues decrees and orders.
2. Decrees and orders of the President of the Russian Federation are binding on the entire territory of the Russian Federation.
3. Decrees and orders of the President of the Russian Federation must not contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws.
15.1 The Constitution of the Russian Federation has the highest legal force, direct effect and applies throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. Laws and other legal acts adopted in the Russian Federation shall not contradict the Constitution Russian Federation.

And if the president does not respond to the violation of the constitution by any authorities, then this is his failure to fulfill his duties;
if he introduces and (or) signs normative acts that are contrary to the constitution (for example, decree of December 31.12.1999, 1763, N 19 and article 278 of the Constitution), then this is a violent (people did not give the go-ahead) change in the constitutional system - a crime, responsibility for which is provided for in article XNUMX of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

Fucking ...

Still silly questions and remarks will be?

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: Uncle Joe

Foolishness - can not mean should.

Like in a pan ...
This means that the state should not have the same success.

Quote: Uncle Joe

liability for which is provided for in Article 278 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

Write a statement to the prosecutor.

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: Uncle Joe

And money is the universal equivalent of value, a product in monitor terms.

Money is a tool for manipulation and redistribution of material resources. This is despite the fact that the usurers-bankers "earn" them simply by "drawing".

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: VseDoFeNi

Money is a tool for manipulation and redistribution of material resources. This is despite the fact that the usurers-bankers "earn" them simply by "drawing".

And the essence of the manipulations with the redistribution of material resources lies in the possibility of increasing the consumption of goods and services being manipulated, despite the fact that the money is drawn not by bankers, but by the state (although the states cooperate with banks really very tightly).


PS You already figured out "duty" Central Bank to issue emissions in sizes "corresponding to dollar receipts", or continue to fantasize?

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: Uncle Joe

And the essence of the manipulations with the redistribution of material resources lies in the possibility of increasing the consumption of goods and services by the manipulated,

Not at all, uncle. The only point for usurers is to grab more, preferably all resources in general.

Let us illustrate this with the example of a memorandum sent out in 1891 by the American Banking Association to all its members: “After September 1, 1894, we will not renew loans under any pretext. We will demand our money back. <...> We will deprive borrowers of the right to purchase the collateral and will become its owners. We can get 2/3 of the farmers to the southwest and thousands of farmers east of the Mississippi to sell their farms at the price we indicated ... Then they will become tenants, as is the case in England ... "(ABA memorandum of 1891, reproduced in the Minutes of the US Congress April 29, 1913, quoted by D. Karasev, "Killer Banks").

Quote: Uncle Joe

it’s not the bankers who draw the money, but the states (although the states cooperate with banks really very tightly).

The FRS is a private shop, although it draws ALL the world's dollars by lending them out, and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is quite independent from "other government bodies".

Quote: Uncle Joe

You have already figured out the "obligation" of the Central Bank to issue in the amount

Patience, uncle, patience, the Central Bank Law alone takes 154 pages of delirium ...

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: VseDoFeNi

The only point for usurers is to grab more, preferably all resources

Decipher - what, where and where, otherwise I don’t get into this mysticism at all.

We illustrate this with the example of a memorandum sent out

Link to the original memorandum weakly give?

The Fed is a private shop

Unless in a parallel universe.

Fed - federal backup system.

Federal - nationwide in federal states.

The Fed uses private banks to distribute money and pays them for it (figuratively speaking - it rents premises from private banks for its branches).
But the foundation of the Fed is the Board of Governors (aka the Central Bank of the United States) - a government agency (like any other Central Bank of any country in the world)

and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is completely independent of "other government bodies"

From OTHER.

Moreover, it is so "independent" that even the government cannot give dough without the permission of the State Duma of the Russian Federation

Patience, uncle, patience, the Central Bank Law alone takes 154 pages of delirium ...

Waiting (s)

Although it was from reading the half-nonsense that it was just necessary to start.

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: Uncle Joe

Decipher - what, where and where, otherwise I don’t get into this mysticism at all.

You generally get it that harms Russia.

Quote: Uncle Joe

Link to the original memorandum weakly give?

You are out of your mind, uncle. I did not engage in the entire bibliography of the world to study.

Quote: Uncle Joe

The Fed is the Federal Reserve.

Ahha, like the federal express ...
Federal Press ...

You claim that the state lends itself, driving into trillions of debts? Oh well..

Quote: Uncle Joe

From others.

The cat also walks by itself.
“Let me manage the money in the country, and I don't care who sets the laws there.” Rothschild.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: VseDoFeNi

You generally cut into what is harming Russia

Russia as a country - that is, territory within certain borders, with a specific political system (state) and the population living in this territory, or Russia as a capitalist state (which harms the population living in the country)?

In short, decipher and specify.

I didn’t engage in studying the entire bibliography of the world.

However, the conspiracy theological delirium not supported by a single fact, you study regularly ...

You claim that the state lends itself, driving into trillions of debts?

I affirm that you do not understand how the system works, nor the meaning of the terms.

The United States does not lend to itself, but uses a netting system, where the concept of "credit" does not mean borrowed money, but the transfer of money from one "pocket" of the state to another.

The cat also walks by itself.

Are you independent of boobs, or other boobs?

Section 75.2. Protection and ensuring the stability of the ruble - main function Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which he carries out independently from others bodies of state power.

“Let me manage the money in the country, and I don't care who sets the laws there.” Rothschild.

A quote from the book Money Creators, written by Gertrude Margaret Coogan (Gertrude Margaret Coogan).
Gertrude Margaret Cougan, claiming that Mayer Amschel Rothschild said “Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws”, does not cite the source of this quote, and does not explain where it comes from I learned these words 123 years after the death of M.A. Rothschild, where, when and to whom he expressed these words, or in what written document he wrote them.
And when you consider that in no source until 1935 the above quote attributed to M.A. Rothschild does not meet, and Gertrude Margaret Kugan became the first person to tell the world about her, it can be assumed that she either said “one grandmother” about these words, or she came up with this phrase in order to enhance the revealing effect of the book.
You can even guess how this quote was invented - it is a compilation of two real quotes that belong to pretty well-known characters in the English-speaking world.

First quote: “Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce” (quote from the inaugural address of US President James Abram Garfield.

Second quote: “If a man were permitted to make all the ballads he need not care who should make the laws of a nation” (“If a person is allowed to write all ballads, he does not care who should create the laws of the country”) - quote from letters from Scottish writer and politician Andrew Fletcher addressed to the Marquis of Montrose, Earl Roths, Roxburgh and Haddington (Marquis of Montrose, the Earl of Rothes, Roxburg and Haddington). The letter is dated December 1, 1703.

http://www.zaxodi-v-internet.ru/citata-ne-rotshilda.html

[Corporal Valera]

A quote from the book Money Creators, written by Gertrude Margaret Coogan (Gertrude Margaret Coogan).
Gertrude Margaret Cougan, arguing ... "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws"

Strong! If not a secret, what is your education? Although it’s clear. I clarify. Do you read such books in the original, or are you just Google?

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: Uncle Joe

I affirm that you do not understand how the system works, nor the meaning of the terms.

Approve.

Quote: Uncle Joe

The United States does not lend to itself, but uses a netting system, where the concept of "credit" does not mean borrowed money, but the transfer of money from one "pocket" of the state to another.

Oh how! Well, where does the debt of 18 trillion come from?
When I shift something from one pocket to another, there can be no debt.

Quote: Uncle Joe

Section 75.2. Protecting and ensuring the stability of the ruble is the main function of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which it exercises independently of other government bodies.

You can read it before going to bed like a mantra.

Quote: Uncle Joe

And when you consider that in no source until 1935 the above quote attributed to M.A. Rothschild

To whom would not be attributed, but this does not lose relevance.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: VseDoFeNi

Approve

Well, where does the debt of 18 trillion come from?

11 trillion - investment debt (invested in the United States as a bank), 7 trillion - mainly state social expenditures (the same offsets that are not written off, but counted).

You can read it before bedtime like a mantra

I don’t need to read this, but to the subject who claims that the Central Bank is obliged to issue as much as the currency comes

To whom would not be attributed, but this does not lose relevance.

Of course it doesn’t lose - you can’t lose something that never happened

[Corporal Valera]

Fed - federal backup system.

Federal - nationwide in federal states.

Or maybe she also reserves there is?

The Fed uses private banks to distribute money and pays them for it (figuratively speaking - it rents premises from private banks for its branches).

Somehow unconvincing. Federal - national. Og Democracy is the power of the people. You can hang any screen. That we should build a house.

Independent Federal Agency specially created on December 23, 1913 for fulfillment of the functions of the central bank and centralized control over the commercial banking system of the United States of America.

(c) Vika
Founders of the Fed 12 private banks, because there are no others. Do they control themselves?

But the foundation of the Fed is the Board of Governors

Who is formally appointed by the president for as long as 14 years, and who elects the head of the Fed for a term of, formally, for 4 years, and who usually has 2,3 presidents. Somehow not democratic

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Corporal Valera

browning?

The main subject was sociology.

Do you read such books in the original, or are you just Google?

Logic does not allow to take nonsense at face value, and having stumbled upon another Rantvash nonsense, he took it for the habit of digging it up - he found an explanation for this "quote" about 3-4 years ago.

Or maybe she also reserves there is?

Yes - banks operating in the United States are required to have in the Fed something like collateral from which they are given loans.
http://fortrader.ru/articles_forex/kak-rabotayut-procentnye-stavki-frs.html

You can hang any screen. What should we build a house

So with the same success, on the basis of sources of financing the presidential election, it can be stated that any president (and not only) of any capitalist state is private property
http://master-vict.livejournal.com/4168.html

Independent Federal Agency specially created on December 23, 1913

Independence means the impossibility of influencing decisions taken by the council in the event of a conflict of interest, and not the independence of the Fed from the United States, the US government and US law - everything is exactly the same as with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which is not independent but independently performs its functions and powers, which he orders to independently implement the legislation of the Russian Federation, adopted by the State Duma of the Russian Federation, ratified by the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, and approved by the President of the Russian Federation.

Founders of the Fed 12 private banks, because there are no others. Do they control themselves?

The founder of the Fed is the US government, 12 banks - the main element of the monetary system, and the Fed, which controls this system, controls the Senate.

Who is formally appointed by the president for as long as 14 years, and who elects the head of the Fed for a term of, formally, for 4 years, and which usually has 2,3 presidents

The president appoints and has the right to remove (like any other member of the council) the president.

Somehow not democratic

One name comes from democracy, but it doesn’t change the essence of the matter - the Fed is a system of private-state partnership in which the Central Bank is a state body and private elements of the system do not have voting rights.

[Corporal Valera]

Logic does not allow to take nonsense at face value, and having stumbled upon another Rantvash nonsense, he took it for the habit of digging it up - he found an explanation for this "quote" about 3-4 years ago.

Well, respect! But this "nonsense" is not only from rent. Quite respected people are "delusional". I would say that you are not in trend. Only one thing, how the mortgage crisis was organized and who went bankrupt and who boiled over, makes us think of the FRS as a supranational body

The president appoints and has the right to remove (like any other member of the council) the president.

Good. And there were examples of withdrawal in history? Prezikom?

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Quite respected people "rave"

They have such a job.

Old men, Fedorov, Katasonov, Sulakshin - did I miss any of the "respected"?

Just the way the mortgage crisis was organized

But how was it organized, and where are the signs of this focused organization?

And then - even if you leave common sense at the doorstep, plunge into conspiracy theories, pull an owl onto the globe and manage to "find" such "signs", then on what basis can one conclude that this crisis was organized by some supranational reptilians who control FRS, and not the state represented by the US political leadership?

And there were examples of withdrawal in history? Prezikom?

Reagan Walker in the 87th fired. Carter fired Burns in the 78th and appointed Miller, and in the 79th fired Miller as well, making him Minister of Finance.
You are on the same Wikipedia, in the topic "Chairman of the Federal Reserve System", see how many of them have sat out their fourteen-year term.

And Stalin and Lenin, during which the formation and development of the Fed took place, did not say a word that some supranational Fed was viciously oppressing us.

In general, as old Ockham used to say, you should not multiply things beyond what is necessary (everything is much simpler)

[Maj.]

Under Stalin, there was one very good stimulus-wall or not a wall

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: atalef

But they were generally taken a walk

We walked, but there is still money in Russia, agricultural development largely compensates for oil losses, in Israel they will no longer buy carrots, for example, etc.

Quote: atalef

High oil price - this was that unique chance for Russia

Mistaken judgment, high price is a drug. They start to deal with economics only when they are driven into a corner.

[atalef]

Quote: saturn.mmm

We walked, but there is still money in Russia, agricultural development largely compensates for oil losses

What is it like ? that is, do you want to show that s / x will cover the level of losses from falling oil prices?
You’re an optimist, my friend, it’s necessary to plow the floor of Siberia and grow it - and in one year (I’m not saying who can produce so many agricultural products (not only save them, transport them, etc.) but simply goof it

Quote: saturn.mmm

They begin to deal with economics only when they are driven into a corner.

Well, some yes. Only this completely does not ensure the success and life of the next generation under communism.

[Maj.]

It’s time to tackle the country, revive agriculture, industry. And we only increase the diameter of the pipes. It's a shame for the country.

[KvVtSr]

not in our country ...
gasoline for some reason tends to increase in price while lowering oil prices ...
what is the reason7
what's the catch?

[Install it]

Quote: saturn.mmm

excess gas oil will lead to lower domestic prices

Inside the country will never fall.

[maxcor1974]

Perhaps this is the beginning of the end of amerovskoy shale oil. Even now, with the WTA price below $ 40, the profit from its production is in the red, but thanks to insurance companies, the losses were compensated. But against the backdrop of panic on the stock exchange, the bankruptcy of these companies may begin. This version can be confirmed by the preservation and even a slight increase in oil production by traditional players, which leads to an accelerated decline in its price. As the saying goes, it is better to endure a couple of months at low prices, but then strangle the 3,14ndosovskoy shale in the bud than to live forever with oil at $ 40-50 per barrel. And look how the leaders of the oil-producing countries behave - complete calmness, we are looking for treasures in the Black Sea, and OPEC pretends that everything is normal, the next summit is only in December (by that time the "competitor" should "grunt"). Even Venezuela is now silently suffering losses at low prices, apparently Maduro wise people explained the policy of the "party".
So we also have patience, sit down with a beer at the TV and wait for the opening of the American exchanges on Monday ...
Who has opinions on this subject, please speak out.

[Asadullah]

So we have patience,

The drop in oil prices was provoked by Saudi Arabia with the help of Israel at the urgent request of the United States. IS through the Saudis sold oil at a bargain price, Israel technically provided settlements, the United States turned a blind eye to these deals. This allowed the Saudis to lower the price without losing margins. And then the uncontrollable process of the cart falling from the mountain began, after all, it cannot drive a couple of meters and slow down at a certain height, flew like a native, throwing wheels, shafts, chips around itself ... the Arab kinglets of course were offended by this at Uncle Sam, but he answered them in the style of an alternative Susanin: "Go to the fuck, I got lost myself!"

Why did it become possible to drop prices to such a level? The oil business is based on a very simple principle, imagine a barrel in which you hold gasoline, it is always half empty for you, because gasoline is getting more expensive or cheaper. And you always need to have a place to suddenly buy cheap gasoline, from which the level of your storage is always half empty, you bought a little more at a cheap price, a little less at an expensive one. And suddenly, they offer you gas for half the price! You understand that it certainly won’t be cheaper and you’ll fill up to the top. That’s all, the situation has come that is in the markets today - you are now buying only as much as you used, and sometimes you are not buying at all, using stocks in anticipation of an even greater decline.

[iConst]

Quote: Asadullah

IG sold oil at a bargain price through the Saudis, Israel technically provided the calculations, the United States closed its eyes to these deals. Which allowed the Saudis to lower the price without losing margin.

But ...
Cool disguised deal. Yeah ...

Based on what such conclusions?

[Asadullah]

Based on what such conclusions?

Are you really interested? Then, for a certain period of time, analyze the transactions in crude on the NYMEX and ICE, there you can find information reflecting transactions on the OTC market. Or: "Can I give you another key to the apartment where the money is?"

[atalef]

Quote: Asadullah

Based on what such conclusions?

Are you really interested? Then, for a certain period of time, analyze the transactions in crude on the NYMEX and ICE, there you can find information reflecting transactions on the OTC market. Or: "Can I give you another key to the apartment where the money is?"

Well, so analyze, only with tsifirki - they somehow lie less.
Once again - the level of ISIS production. in global production, the price at which they sell and how much their supply (do not forget to include global oil consumption and excess supply) - may lower the price.
Use percentages preferably. ISIS oil production worldwide (I will tell you 0.00 .....% put the missing numbers yourself, after calculations)
Best regards

[Asadullah]

Another time - the level of production of ISIS. in global production

Yes, we return to this topic of discussion, and I appreciate your skepticism, because skepticism always helps to delve into your own conclusions. Volume does not mean anything, more means who sold and the trend. When the most insignificant Asadullah sells oil, outside the exchange trade, then he, that is, me, will be given very little. And they will immediately put up futures for this volume at a normal price, but when a firm, a subject of the Saudi king, sells, the buyer understands that this is not a mistake, but something else. And any clicks on different sites "search cheaper", sends you all the same. A few minutes later, the others are already lowering the price, and fifteen minutes later the new exchange price flashes on the board. Traders will immediately buy short, even those who do not suffer from rabbit disease. Sincerely.

[atalef]

Quote: Asadullah

Volume does not mean anything, more means who sold and the trend

Ie how does it mean nothing?
The volume of ISIS sales is about 1 million bucks per day (with delivery by fuel trucks to Turkey)
The volume of oil sold per day (in the world) -
about 92 million barrels per day, those worth
about 4 billion dollars a day
Now tell me, how can a volume of 0.004% of a sales volume lower a price?
Do you know that Russia with the maximum production in 2015 blocked (in terms of adding to the global oil market) ISIS indicators by 70 times?

Quote: Asadullah

And right there they put up futures for this volume at a normal price

What is the mess in your head, what is 1 million bucks a day? What we are talking about ? about a maximum of 50t barrels per day? What are you laughing at, they produce 92 million barrels of oil a day in the world

Quote: Asadullah

but when a company sold by a Saudi king sells, the buyer realizes that this is not a mistake, but something else.

And the price, what will happen to her?

Quote: Asadullah

After a few minutes, the others are already lowering the price, and after fifteen minutes a new exchange price flashes on the board.

Asadullah, you are probably a wonderful person, but honestly, well, do not go to the exchange. Not so it works and not volume it. ISIS does not go anywhere further than Turkey's petrochemicals and is not put up for auction.

Quote: Asadullah

. Traders will immediately play for a fall, even those who do not suffer from rabbit disease. Sincerely.

A set of beautiful words, but imagine again (so the example is probably for children _)
You came to the bazaar with a kilogram of peaches, next to your friend and comrade with 4 tons, you decided to sell your kilogram for half the price, will this action of your friend break the price and will lead to a trend of lowering all products (peaches) by the market?
So on the stock exchange the same thing.

[atalef]

Quote: Asadullah

The fall in oil prices was triggered by Saudi Arabia with the help of Israel at the urgent request of the United States.

How did we help them? May I have a closer look?

Quote: Asadullah

IG sold oil at a bargain price through the Saudis

How? Syria does not border on Arabia?

Quote: Asadullah

Israel technically provided the calculations

Well yes . consider that we are masters
Medal to you for wise thoughts

Quote: Asadullah

The United States closed its eyes to these deals.

Between whom and by whom? Where did the oil go, who got the money?
Yes . I forgot to ask how much ISIS produces. where does it export and how?

Quote: Asadullah

The oil business is based on a very simple principle, imagine a barrel in which you hold gasoline, it is always half empty for you, because gasoline is getting more expensive or cheaper.

It is with pessimists like you - it is half empty, with us - it is half full !!!

Quote: Asadullah

And suddenly, they offer you gas for half the price!

Class, just who?
and how many ?

Quote: Asadullah

That’s all, the situation has come that is in the markets today - you are now buying only as much as you used, and sometimes you are not buying at all, using stocks in anticipation of an even greater decline.

So the question is how much ISIS produces, how it transports, and what percentage is (ISIS production) in world oil production.
Please answer me. Because I did the calculations 3 months ago, I want to check, I’m suddenly wrong

[Amurets]

I AM! Earlier, in his commentary on the gas pipeline, the Power of Siberia noted that China was interested in building 2 bridges across the Amur River, building a highway to Europe. It would seem like ordinary things. But please pay attention to the following points: 1) Previously, the construction of bridges left the business at the mercy of the principle that you you must build. Now, large state corporations of the PRC are pulling up. The construction will be entrusted to them. 2) To pay for these works, they ask them to give them two gold deposits, which are silent. Most likely this is the beginning of the construction of one of the directions of the Silk Road. It is unlikely that the market will collapse on Monday. The production of shale oil has been unprofitable since March and the question is how much longer will they be able to support it? What is the size of the insurance pillow? But on Monday the stock may fall, but I don’t know how much. A fall of another 1.5% may cause a market crash. If the Yabloko have lost so much, then how much the Silicon Valley as a whole will lose. The stability of the US market depends on this. It only brings real money. The rest is virtual money.

[atalef]

Quote: Amurets

But on Monday, stocks may collapse, but I don’t know how much. A fall of another 1.5% may cause a market crash. If the Yabloko lost so much, how much will the Silicon Valley as a whole lose

Yabloko did not lose 158 billion, a 1.5% drop (additional) will not cause a market collapse

[Altona]

Quote: maxcor1974

So we also have patience, sit down with a beer at the TV and wait for the opening of the American exchanges on Monday ...

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You’re having a beer, but I’m looking at our quotes with valocordin, where the ruble is losing its position against the dollar and the euro already at 2-3 points a day ...

[atalef]

Quote: maxcor1974

Perhaps this is the beginning of the end of Amer’s shale oil.

The beginning of the end - laughed. This end was already guaranteed at 80 bucks a barrel, and at 60 a barrel, the guarantor promised a collapse of the entire world economy, and when I wrote that the cost of oil shale production in the United States is 36 bucks and has a tendency to decrease - I collected somewhere 300 minuses. So how? Continue to argue further?

Quote: maxcor1974

But amid panic on the exchange, the bankruptcy of these companies may begin.

well, don’t distort, since when did a 3% drop be called a panic?

Quote: maxcor1974

As the saying goes, it’s better to endure a couple of months at low prices, but strangle 3,14ndos shale on the vine than live forever with oil $ 40-50 per barrel

And so a question, and even if shale goes bankrupt (I think with 30 bucks it’s closed), but if the oil price rises, they won’t start producing again? Or shut the well - the slate ran away?
So, the oil price of 50-60 bucks (subject to an improvement in the economic situation in China and Europe) is a long time to come, and this is if Irnan does not add his full. What he really wants to do

Quote: maxcor1974

Even Venezuela is now silently suffering losses on low prices, apparently Maduro wise people explained the policy of the "party"

The wise Chavez taught him. Although this is normal, socialism is never full, even pour oil

Quote: maxcor1974

So we also have patience, sit down with a beer at the TV and wait for the opening of the American exchanges on Monday ...

You can rest assured that the drop will be minimal, even a slight rollback to the plus is possible.
Well, of course, if China still doesn’t like the devaluation on Sunday.

[Altona]

Quote: atalef

So, the oil price of 50-60 bucks (subject to an improvement in the economic situation in China and Europe) is a long time to come, and this is if Irnan does not add his full. What he really wants to do

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Iran does not yet have a modern infrastructure for mass release of its oil to the market ...

[atalef]

Quote: Altona

Iran does not yet have a modern infrastructure for mass release of its oil to the market ...

There is . They have 16 millionth tankers (tons, these are 5 barrels) are under full load (they used them as storage), lifted the sanctions, an hour later on the road.
They do not have oil refining infrastructure. and drive for sale - as much as you like.

[Altona]

Quote: atalef

There is . They have 16 millionth tankers (tons, these are 5 barrels) are under full load (they used them as storage), lifted the sanctions, an hour later on the road.
They do not have oil refining infrastructure. and drive for sale - as much as you like.

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I had in mind, for the most part, the pipeline infrastructure for pumping oil and gas to neighbors and so on (China or Europe), to drive the tanker for a long time ... And the tanker shipping also rests on the narrow neck of the Strait of Hormuz ..

[Seaman77]

Quote: Altona

I had in mind more and more of the pipeline infrastructure for pumping oil and gas to neighbors and so on (China or Europe), to drive a tanker for a long time ...

And not for long, and much cheaper. 99% of the total transportation of petroleum products - by tankers.

Quote: Altona

And the tanker transportation also rests against the narrow neck of the Strait of Hormuz ..

Is Hormuz narrow ??? You were not in Singapore ...

[Seaman77]

Quote: atalef

They have 16 millionth tankers (tons, that's 5 barrels)

Well this is for a tanker such ???
How do you like to say: "Link to the studio!"

I look dear atalef , You are a big specialist in economics, in history, in energy, and in maritime shipping ...

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: maxcor1974

Who has opinions on this subject, please speak out.

I'm not special in such matters, but the ruby ​​falls in sync with the fall in oil prices. Do I raise semi-annual articles from VO about this troubles? Or, okay, forgot )))

[Corporal Valera]

Started! They didn't even wait for autumn. "In time" we bought them shit for a lard. Now they will cost a few cents.

[SSR]

Quote: Mitek

In fact, good is not enough. Oil will fall even more, and then the ruble. The crisis promises to be global. As before the First World War.

Because resources must be sold for their currency, do not like the ruble? Buy for tenge. Don't like tenge? Buy for baht. Don't like baht? Buy for liras ..... And this should apply to all resources, well, it will harm everyone .... But they will become healthier and begin to live by their means. An incomprehensible piece of paper cheaper in terms of other pieces of paper, and the machine and the thermal power plant both consumed and consume gasoline, coal, gas ... People like cereals, fruits, vegetables should consume them, regardless of the course of their piece of paper to someone else's a piece of paper, and not even a piece of paper next to it.

[Vend]

Quote: Mitek

In fact, good is not enough. Oil will fall even more, and then the ruble. The crisis promises to be global. As before the First World War.

The only difference is that Russia and China have a way out of the crisis, while the USA and Europe do not. This is the binding of the national currency to gold. Russia and China are building up their foreign exchange reserves, but the United States is not.

[gaura]

One more similar moment, as before the First World War - everyone really wants to fight, everyone proves that they are the strongest guys. While on paper they prove

[gaura]

One more similar moment, as before the First World War - everyone really wants to fight, everyone proves that they are the strongest guys. While on paper they prove

[Artemkremlev]

you are fundamentally wrong, if the bottom has not yet been found, then it is literally a stone's throw away, and then oil will not become cheaper, since it is no longer beneficial to anyone. The collapse of the US stock market is not the first call, to imitate Brend this artificial understatement is no longer beneficial to anyone. So oil will creep up this week. Moreover, the ruble will immediately follow it, unlike the US Stock Market, which will come out of the peak for a long time.

[Major Yurik]

Quote: vezunchik

where now will thieves run ?? To China??

In, this is the way out, in any case they will not return from there!

[Amurets]

It’s there that a bullet is smeared with one’s that is a stranger to the same zelen that the bullet would not become infected. Svetorus is slightly wrong with the bill of ammunition they send to the family. But the worst execution for theft is when they hang them by the fingers. After that, a man dies about five years slowly and painfully.

[Civil]

Something like this...

[dr.Bo]

BEGAN!!! (well, really want to)

[Simon]

Where, direct go to jail! They will not trample the states now. There is no point.

[Maj.]

A thief should be in prison, but not everyone, as life has shown recently.

[SSR]

Quote: vezunchik

where now will thieves run ?? To China??

Sometimes I just smile.
1. The dollar is the world currency and the measure of all currencies. (how did this happen) ?!
2. Who is Bitcoin?
3. Who is the "appointee" of gold prices ?!
4. How and why is everyone tamed to electronic money?
5. How are you and others tamed to chips and electronic))))) do you use a bonus card?)))

[Observer2014]

Lord !!! May your name be holy !!! If only this empire of "good" collapsed.

[iConst]

Quote: Baikonur

"Tear to shreds" our stable reinforced concrete economy!

... whose shares fell immediately by 6%. This led to the fact that the company only one last night lost enormous funds - almost 158 ​​billion dollars!

- The whole world is playing with excitement this strange game - virtual assets. Starting in Holland in 1637, mice continue to eat cactus ...

So we joined the crowd of madmen ... Maybe enough, people?

[iConst]

Title In the US, they tied the collapse of their stock market with problems in the Chinese economy.
Or maybe the chain is a little longer - Decrease in the purchasing power of Russia due to the subsidence of the ruble from the rustling of Pandoco cockroach paws, which reduced the turnover with China? An embargo on the goods of Geyropa - like that, a drop overflowed a barrel?

Maybe they cracked on their star-striped ass their own boomerang launched in Russia with their own hands?

[KazakPatrol]

Someone in Lubyanka probably got the title ahead of schedule !!!

[SRC P-15]

In the US, they tied the collapse of their stock market with problems in the Chinese economy

Wait, it’ll still be when the Chinese begin to eat with spoons!

[eagle11]

On the Lubyanka are "fighters" of their people.

[Civil]

Quote: Baikonur

Yes, and + Putin undermines the US economy!
What is it here!
They pounced on the "long-suffering" on all fronts, sinister Russian-Chinese!
"Tear to shreds" our sustainable reinforced concrete economy!
connecting rods and dragons!
MONEY!

Right now, paid trolls will zaminusut you. And they will write that they agree and for 100 r for a buck and 10 bucks for a barrel))))

[atalef]

Quote: Baikonur

The leader of the fall among large US companies was Apple, whose shares fell immediately by 6%. This led to the fact that the company only one last night lost enormous funds - almost 158 billion dollars! It is reported by USA Today.

Of course, I’m not good at mathematics, but who can tell me how much it is, if 6% is 158 billion? That means the value of Apple was = 3 trillion bucks

Donald Trump said that such a fall will lead to a serious increase in unemployment in the United States and a new crisis wave. At the same time, Trump claims that official statistics agencies are misleading Americans today, saying that US unemployment does not exceed 6%. According to Trump and his company's analysts, the real unemployment rate in the country is about 21%, and among young people under 27 years old - about 42%

The author will give at least some kind of link to the original, at least statistics, at least Trump's expressions, at least where did he rip the article from?

The biggest shock manifested itself in the US stock market. Quotes of the Dow Jones index for the first time in 4-5 years collapsed immediately by 3,12%. The NASDAQ index fell by almost 3%. Fell 2,7%

It’s too early to say anything, the American Exchange is at its maximum, the bad news from China is not working well. To understand the essence of the process, you need to wait at least a week and look at exchange trends.
One day - nothing is solved (by the way, these are not the biggest drops in 4-5 years) there were worse jumps.

[Genry]

Quote: atalef

the performance of the American Stock Exchange is at a maximum,

Live broadcast:
http://www.finam.ru/profile/mirovye-indeksy/d-j-ind/tehanalys-live/?market=6

[maxcor1974]

atalef
The author will give at least some kind of link to the original, at least statistics, at least Trump's expressions, at least where did he rip the article from?

The author of the article took data from RBC, I read it there today, and RBC refers to Forbes and Bloombergs. The detailed article there is much darker than the local excerpt from it.

[Sid.74]

That's what the devaluation of the life-giving yuan does ...

I here recently literally an article on the VO threw about the exchange scam, unfortunately moderation failed.
Who cares, you can read here: Wall Street sharks pleaded scammers

[atalef]

Quote: maxcor1974

The author of the article took data from RBC, I read it there today, and RBC refers to Forbes and Bloombergs. The detailed article there is much darker than the local excerpt from it.

so please, please?

[iConst]

Quote: atalef

One day - nothing is solved (by the way, these are not the biggest drops in 4-5 years) there were worse jumps.

A little panic. Brokers are a nervous people.

[Sid.74]

Quote: atalef

then the cost of Apple was = 3 trillion dollars

Not less, in 2014, the stub capitalization was in the 663 billion area.
The real value of the brand and its assets is somewhat less than a bubble on the exchange.

[Sid.74]

Quote: atalef

It is too early to talk about something

Why is it too early? The Fed has already hinted that the refinancing rate will probably not be raised, they will continue to pursue a policy of monetary easing (hello 2008), and this says that Obamkin’s statements about economic recovery in the US are full of bullshit.

Quote: atalef

bad news from China is bad.

Well, why should a snowstorm drive? China devalued the yuan and the demand for the dollar in China fell ... and that’s all, no secret knowledge is needed to understand this fact.
The BRICS and SCO countries also independently or due to economic pressure lowered their currencies and the demand for the dollar fell.

[iConst]

Quote: Sid.74

Che early? The Fed has already hinted that they will probably not raise the refinancing rate and will continue to pursue a monetary easing policy (hello 2008

Where to get from? You can link (preferably to the west).

[Sid.74]

Quote: iConst

Where to lead?

I read too much news from where I just don’t remember.
You can allude to QE from here to emphasize, http: //www.vestifinance.ru/articles/61473

By the way, the minutes of the last meeting indicates that the Fed is not sure about the need to raise the rate. The published "minutes" of the Fed meeting, which took place on July 28-29, shed light on the discussion in the Federal open market committee (FOMC) on the further development of US monetary policy.

"The committee concluded that while it saw further progress, the economic conditions requiring an increase in the target range for the federal funds rate have not yet been met. Committee members generally agreed that additional information on the outlook is needed to increase the target range," - says the protocol.

To raise the rate, the regulator needs confidence that US economic growth is accelerating, and inflation is approaching the target mark of 2%. Some members of the committee expressed the opinion that the incoming information has not yet given sufficient confidence that inflation in the country will reach the target mark in the medium term.

[oldzek]

in my opinion on Tuesday a little clearer what for what.

[Oprychnik]

Listen to Atalef, he’s always on the crest and really monitors the situation. His opinion is always interesting.

[341712]

Quote: Baikonur

Baikonur (3) SU Today, 10: 29

Yes, and + Putin undermines the US economy!
What is it here!
They pounced on the "long-suffering" on all fronts, sinister Russian-Chinese! laughing
"Tear to shreds" belay our stable reinforced concrete economy!
connecting rods and dragons!
MONEY!

Well, my dears? ... As the saying goes: "He said" let's go .. "and washed down with water)))"

[Thunderbolt]

And why didn’t articles appear on the VO about the subsidence of our state-owned companies? Gazprom was squeezed in its capitalization and other Russian bison of the international economy sank, as if the decline in industrial production was with us ... it's time to drown out the rumble of the collapse with relations as it’s bad .. So ... Russia, soon adopt the anti-corruption law (!)

[atalef]

Quote: Thunderbolt

And why didn’t articles appear on the VO about the subsidence of our state-owned companies?

Well, you master and set tasks

Quote: Thunderbolt

Gazprom then dwindled in its capitalization and other Russian bison of the international economy sank,

[53-Sciborskiy]

America, despite all its apparent prosperity, is seriously ill. Relapse of the disease manifests itself in its aggressive expansion with elements of world robbery, claims to force to impose their perverted lifestyle on the whole world. But the world in all ages has fought and stopped the dictatorial tread of any superpowers. So it will be with America

[Sid.74]

Quote: 53-Sciborskiy

America, despite all the apparent well-being, seriously ill. Relapse of the disease is manifested in its aggressive expansion with elements of global robbery.

Well, if the financial tycoons of the United States say that without a war, the US economy does not work, then what can we say.

The former Fed chief said that the question of the prospects for the growth of the American economy became clear as a tear: only military spending on military action can help unhappy Yankees get their economic stagecoach out of the crisis crisis today.

“I am not an expert in the military sphere, I am an economist. And therefore I would like to show the importance of military spending from an economic point of view.
We know the figures for US military spending, their total volume, and so on. However, no matter how paradoxical it may sound, I would like to make an anti-economic approach to this issue. The fact is that estimates of military spending in dollar terms are not necessarily the most accurate.
I am very concerned about this journalistic bias in statements that the US is spending more money than all of our potential competitors combined. And therefore, we supposedly feel safe in the military plan. This is mistake.
In my opinion, it would be more accurate to measure military expenditures based on a comparison of purchasing power parity indicators. In this regard, US military spending does not represent 45% of global military spending, but about 30%.
Now for the connection of military spending with economic growth.
There are several different communication mechanisms. If you look at the so-called Keynesian demand model, we can estimate how much military spending increases the overall demand in the economy, especially in a situation of high unemployment and recession.
According to standard economic regulations, an increase in spending increases activity in the economy by increasing the demand for goods and services. Of course, military tasks are still better kept apart from short-term goals and objectives in the economy, but sometimes they are quite important.
One of the most obvious examples is World War II, when colossal military orders literally dragged the US economy out of the depression and had a huge effect on the increase in production, which continued after the end of the war.
Today, military spending does not make up such a large share in GDP, as before, in World War II or in 1960-ies, but the effects of a change in their volumes, however, are quite noticeable, and over the past few years they have been negative.
Starting with 2010, cuts in military spending have had a negative impact on US GDP growth.

This is how ... no war, no economic growth!

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: Sid.74

So here ... there is no war, there is no economic growth! no

The markets are global and so today everything and everything works for the USA, that China, that Europe ...

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: 53-Sciborskiy

America, despite all its apparent prosperity, is seriously ill.

Yes - capitalism, which requires constant expansion of the market. And since constant expansion is impossible, redistributing the market through wars becomes the only way out.

[Simon]

Yeah, for stumbling the American dollar!

[Maj.]

Hope for the Chinese himself. Remembering Fashington and Geyropa were friends, so what? And our smaller brothers are Poland, Hungary and other staff piers. Hope for yourself, and the Chinese economy is the economy of China, and we are far, far away in the ... and we can all pump up on us.

[VseDoFeNi]

The biggest shock was in the American stock market. For the first time in 4-5 years, the Dow Jones index fell 3,12% at once. The NASDAQ index fell by almost 3%. The S & P2,7 also fell 500%, "breaking through" the psychological mark of 2000 points. The United States said that such a drop is associated with a slowdown in the growth of the Chinese economy, Chinese stock "problems", as well as the devaluation of the Chinese yuan. Recall that the other day, official Beijing decided to reduce the rate of the national currency by 2% in order to maintain high competition for Chinese goods in the world market. This decision was negatively reacted in Washington.

My question is why, when China devalues ​​the yuan, this is a great blessing and achievement of communist thought from the economy, and when Russia does it, it’s a fall, collapse and drain ???
Aw, they are homegrown hometags, open your eyes. This is your schizophrenic bifurcation in stock.

[Penetrator]

Who's got the economy "torn to shreds", don’t remind?

[maxim947]

These are all some fagots, interest, quotes, indices - which do not reflect the real economy at all - this is such a giant screen, in short, a complete fucking whole world. It seems that they are so lying that they themselves believe in all "this". I understand that I did not surprise anyone)))

[iConst]

Quote: maxim947

These are all some kind of fad, interest, quotes, indices - which do not reflect the real economy at all - this is such a gigantic screen, in short, a solid fuck ... in the whole world.

Not certainly in that way. Just any thing can be perverted or used to the detriment.

For example, if we introduce a state monopoly on the purchase / sale of currency and limit currency transactions only to tangible acquisitions, then we would get rid of gigantic speculations in rubles. This is how many countries work.
But for some reason the government does not go for it. Why?

[maxim947]

All this bullshit! remove the US armed forces (i.e. influence) and the monopoly on all sorts of ratings, etc. and all this is fucked up .. all at once

[Amurets]

Kudrin, Naebullina, well, I will not list all.

[biolant]

Do Americans really think that they are the most and economic war is not possible against them?

[clidon]

Do you think that falling markets in China is an "economic war"?

[Amurets]

Anything is possible! At least China has sharply increased its purchases of gold and keeps it at home. No wonder Medvedev is now in Blagoveshchensk. Local media are silent, as shown by a meeting with the governor ’s representative, representatives of the agricultural center, a visit to Vostochny. Each step was usually highlighted as a prime minister. And now the urine

[clidon]

Well, this is from the category "to spite my grandmother's ears frostbitten." And to be honest, gold is cheap now ...

[ALABAY45]

Pancake! Will this August ever end ?! So you want to calmly dig up potatoes, nudge ide, smoke ducks and send grandchildren to school, without looking at the Internet!

[vezunchik]

that's why we are in shit

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vezunchik

that's why we are in shit

Did your sewer break through?

[ALABAY45]

Not! Personally, I am in perfect order! Maybe you should try to get out of shit ?! Advise, I do not presume, what are your years ?!

[Temples]

Funny wrote))) There is no need to minus. Need to help wash. A helping hand, so to speak, is extended (with a glove) with a bucket and a rag.

[Vyacheslav 64]

In real shit, my friend, we were in the nineties, or forgot?

[iConst]

Quote: Vyacheslav 64

In real shit, my friend, we were in the nineties, or forgot?

And I see no reason for excessive optimism - Russia is lucky that since the middle of the 60s oil has exceeded the $ XNUMX mark and during this time it has managed to accumulate fat and somehow collect the collapsed large military-industrial complex enterprises.

And the little thing is "dying" now. The wife works in a private firm that worked entirely for the "war". Now - 2-3 days week. And there are a lot of them.

Large holdings will not go anywhere - in order to save, they will pour in loot without an account - payback does not matter here - the main strategic conservation plan. This is what corrupts them.

"Fat" is melting before our eyes. There are practically no small and medium-sized businesses. There is no effective economic model. I don't know a single enterprise that is completely Russian - personnel, machines, raw materials. Even such successful industries as poultry and agriculture are all tied to the West: chickens from there, feed (most of the additives) from there, harvesters (not even Belarusian!) - from there ... you can continue indefinitely. Not to mention the more high-tech areas.

We rejoice that they are not empty, as in the 90s counters? With the current trend, this is for now.

Russia has time to jump out of the trap - I do not know. Not yet at the peak, but I see a steady decline in the liner. And below - the bottomless ocean.

A liberal government is still in power. And this does not bode well.

This government tells us about how the West does not give money and the economy cannot develop. This means that one of the two sides of the Tupaki is either officials or the "electorate." In the second case, the government commits a crime. Foolishly or deliberately pursuing a pro-Western line.

In the 30s and 50s, the entire West lined up to lend to the economy of the USSR. Yeah.

[Archon]

Dig soon before the rains ruin her

[combat66]

"This led to the fact that the company lost colossal funds in just one last night - almost 158 ​​billion dollars!"

The scale of the losses is impressive! And that's just one company ?! A country that is capable of losing the foreign exchange reserves of many countries overnight deserves, if not respect, then at least attention. Moreover, such collapses indicate a colossal imbalance in currency values. Something is wrong with this dollar, it looks like it's time to stock up on "liquid currency"!

[clidon]

Whoever was more tied to Chinese industry lost the most. I am personally concerned about how this stock shaking will affect our economy. Which is already in a fever.

[Major Yurik]

Quote: combat66

"This led to the fact that the company lost colossal funds in just one last night - almost 158 ​​billion dollars!"

The scale of the losses is impressive! And that's just one company ?! A country that is capable of losing the foreign exchange reserves of many countries overnight deserves, if not respect, then at least attention. Moreover, such collapses indicate a colossal imbalance in currency values. Something is wrong with this dollar, it looks like it's time to stock up on "liquid currency"!

As for respect, I do not know what they have lost to themselves yet will print, this is their economic "unsinkability"!

[Tusv]

For once, the Chinese are to blame for the American problems. This must be written somewhere

[Sergey333]

Finally, the first real signs of problems in the US economy.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Sergey333

Finally, the first real signs of problems in the US economy.

That is glorious. By the way, what about the ruble?

[WE ARE MAKING]

In vain so little attention to this news. Much will depend on it in the fall in the world.

[rosarioagro]

Quote: AGAIN

Much will depend on it in the fall in the world.

Buy dollars, gentlemen, perhaps this will somehow help you mitigate the consequences of a possible devaluation of the ruble in the fall and winter, do not be shy, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation has already bought it on the stock exchange, including for your money received in the form of taxes and fees ...

[VSkilled]

I had a couple of weeks on a business trip to southern China (Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Fushen).

Liked the atmosphere. No, not airy, which is filthy to the extreme, but people.

They are not easy to live, but they are not discouraged. He turned on the television in the hotel and realized why. More than a hundred (!) Channels and all in Chinese.

And what hooked me: completely not knowing the Chinese language, I - "imbued" ...

I do not know WHAT is actually transmitted there, maybe the "25th" frame is for subconscious suggestion, but the mood and strength were added.

Or maybe everything is much simpler ... If there is any Chinese thread in sports, in science or on the farm that has succeeded - they will certainly show it more than once.

How does this all discord with our liberals! This is an endless chewing of shit and calls for repentance.

Sobsno, it is precisely with this that the collapse of the USSR began, as Professor Preobrazhensky said, the devastation does not begin in closets, but in the heads.

I sincerely wish China, as the gravedigger of the West in general, and the United States, in particular, "further labor success."

[Bayonet]

Quote: VSkilled

This is an endless chewing of shit and calls for repentance.

At the moment at work, I control 20 programs - nowhere do I see "chewing shit and appeals to repentance." Strange ...

[scorpiosys]

"Donald Trump said that such a drop will lead to a serious increase in unemployment in the United States ..."
And that in America someone else also WORKS? What, not everyone sags on the welfare? Or, like "plankton in the office", it's called - WORK?

[pvv113]

The biggest shock manifested itself in the US stock market.

Experts believe that this may not end, but cause a chain reaction

Analysts believe that this situation may affect companies around the world.
In the United States, against the backdrop of the difficult economic situation in China, the main indicator of business activity, the Dow Jones Index, plummeted. According to the latest data, the figures are as follows: the indicator fell by 531,14 points or by 3,12% to 16459,75 points.
Economists, in turn, are sounding the alarm. Market participants, according to them, are extremely concerned about the slowdown in the Chinese economy, and this may affect companies around the world, writes the publication Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
Recall that in mid-August, representatives of the People's Bank of China lowered the renminbi against the US currency by another 1,12% to 6,40 yuan per dollar. Last time, the currency was worth four years ago.
Experts believe that this measure is aimed at supporting exporters. Previously published data showed that China's exports in July fell 8,3% due to low demand from the country's three largest trading partners - the European Union, the United States and Japan.

www.kp.ru/online/news/2142861

[andrei332809]

Yankees learned from Svidomo? -Is anyone to blame, but not us?

[gelezo47]

Oops! Poor mattresses! ... Again, the Chinese have knocked them down! ...
And soon Russia will be blamed for this ...

[nozdrevat58]

Two US banks organized the global crisis. And now theirs is fat over muslim. I do not like?

[scorpiosys]

First, "scam" globalization ... Then start complaining about its results! Purely American.

[Socialism 2.0]

US authorities themselves profitable to collapse their stock market, they can not accelerate inflation. Listen to the performance of St. George on Glavradio.

[Warm Padded Jacket]

it’s in the style of s, to associate your own is not good luck with anyone or anything, but you have nothing to do with it. like the Ukrainians, they are all to blame except themselves)))

[chelovektapok]

The Chinese 5th Column in the United States has long gone beyond the "Chinatowns" economically. If they present "exceptional" debt obligations for immediate payment, it will not seem enough. The financial pyramid of the dollar will sooner or later have to kick. Little by little, the "pressure" is played off under any pretext, because it is already beyond. It's a matter of time for the "soap dollar bubble".

[Bayonet]

Kirdyk to the soap dollar! How many strong, weighty rubles are they giving him today?

[Stas 86]

Yesterday, WTI broke through $ 40, I think the states start minus with these values.
How would the bottom of the ruble

[Stas 86]

Personally, my forecast for the near future for the United States.
The US stock market will fall by 40-45% from today's figures.

[atalef]

Quote: Stas 86

Personally, my forecast for the near future for the United States.
The US stock market will fall by 40-45% from today's figures.

and why not 38-42%
Justify, otherwise you understand, here every percentage is important
Thank you in advance

[Stas 86]

Justify, otherwise you understand, here every percentage is important
Thank you in advance [/ Quote]

China was the cheapest market in the world until 2015.
Naturally, everyone and sundry, including the United States, invested in it.
The price of gasoline in China on 17.08.2015/66/43 XNUMX rubles XNUMX kopecks.
In Russia, the price of gasoline is 37 rubles.
The difference is about 45%.
So goods in China are 45% more expensive than in Russia.
More recently, there was news that the Ruble officially began to walk in China,
but no one took this news seriously.
After this news, the yuan was immediately devalued by 4%.
Then there was a fire in China.
From myself: +100500 it was a terrorist attack.
Example: The Chinese began to grab rubles and buy up in the Russian Federation as it is profitable (he is a people and people in Africa).

[atalef]

Quote: Stas 86

China was the cheapest market in the world until 2015.

not true

Quote: Stas 86

The price of gasoline in China on 17.08.2015/66/43 XNUMX rubles XNUMX kopecks.
In Russia, the price of gasoline is 37 rubles.
The difference is about 45%.

and in Venezuela - 3 rubles (in my opinion)

Quote: Stas 86

So goods in China are 45% more expensive than in Russia.

And in Venezuela is 12 times cheaper than in Russia?

Quote: Stas 86

More recently, there was news that the Ruble officially began to walk in China,

he walks officially in one border town

Quote: Stas 86

After this news, the yuan was immediately devalued by 4%.

hahaha
Ruble dropped yuan

Quote: Stas 86

Then there was a fire in China.
From myself: +100500 it was a terrorist attack.

shit. and?

Quote: Stas 86

Example: The Chinese began to grab rubles and buy up in the Russian Federation as it is profitable (he is a people and people in Africa).

so I don’t understand, and where is the fall of the US exchange here by 40-45%
Or again, I did not catch up with something?

[Stas 86]

You are not an economist.
I clarify the price of gasoline from the floating Ruble.
Just remember my forecast.

[atalef]

Quote: Stas 86

You are not an economist.

No and you ?

Quote: Stas 86

I clarify the price of gasoline from the floating Ruble.

In gasoline? Floating ruble?

Quote: Stas 86

Just remember my forecast.

what for ?
You never know, they write different garbage.
Justify it. another thing, and letting gases into a puddle - everyone knows how

[Stas 86]

Time will tell who is letting gases in a puddle.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Stas 86

In Russia, the price of gasoline is 37 rubles.
The difference is about 45%.
So goods in China are 45% more expensive than in Russia

Ah, it means that Russians buy goods in China at two times more expensive than they do in Russia and take them to Russia and drive them twice as cheap as they bought in China, right?

[Stas 86]

[Ah, it means that Russians buy goods in China at two times more expensive than they do in Russia and take them to Russia and drive them twice as cheap as they bought in China, right? [/ Quote]

No, this means that China noted that the ruble was not reasonably lowered.
Example: China's metallurgy exports fell.
Here are the people all about trunks with cowards thinks)))

[Vyatich]

As the saying goes: "Not everything for Cattle is Shrovetide"!

[Historian]

Still, their oil rigs were washed away by a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico (a possible forecast for next week) ...

[polkovnik manuch]

Of course, this will come back to haunt us, only the Chinese will win, it is interesting that the payments for gas will go in greenery or in yuan, now it would be great to annoy the "green", and the "fifth column" too, although in the end .... we will find ourselves again, due to the fact that the whole future was associated with hydrocarbons.

[Amurets]

Preliminarily agreed that the price is dollars and mutual payments in rubles and yuan. We must wait for September 2. There, in addition to the holidays, many decisions must be made.

[aszzz888]

Well, mericatos, look for the corner where to put the sneakers!

[Johnny51]

It seems that everyone will have to look for the corner ... But this is not the main thing! The main thing is that Russia's reorientation to the East will benefit both the East and Russia, and nothing but problems is visible from the "friendly" West. Who needs such partners ?! Oland, Merkel are transitory, and Russia needs reliable partners for whom mutual benefit and mutual respect is more important than a shout from overseas.

[scorpiosys]

"East, business is dark ..." The Chinese people are our friends, just like the Americans. They are just waiting for a chance to grab us. Dragon worshipers are shitty.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Johnny51

The main thing is that reorienting Russia to the East will benefit both the East and Russia

Change sewed on soap will benefit Russia?

Russia needs reliable partners for whom mutual benefit and mutual respect are more important than shouting from overseas.

A giant gas deal with China could be a disaster for Russia: the contract stipulates that the price that China will pay for Russian gas will be tied to the price of oil.
http://www.newsru.com/finance/20aug2015/cngzprmmegadeal.html

[scorpiosys]

If “ours” were not temporary workers, they would have invested in “cold nuclear fusion”, or in fuel made of water with the addition of a drop of solarium (KB “Lavochkin”). True, how to take money from these energy miracles ... Question? And he is the most IMPORTANT in the refusal of oil and gas. You can't put a counter for every river and lake.
But, love for money (very sincere ...) in "our" rulers overshadows all other organs of their senses and the remnants of their mind. Money and only money ... now, every day and ALWAYS! This is the motto of those who are now "in power" (well. Or wanting to look like "in power", as you please).
And, therefore, they are at the mercy of the real "puppeteers" of our time.

[sir_obs]

Is the ice slowly breaking off?

[roskot]

Hard times have come for Fashington. The stock market is falling ... And what do you want. And it will fall. All that costs when it falls. Dialectics.

[starshina pv]

oh well, brothers, about politics today I’m 55, pour a glass !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nord2015]

Happy Birthday!

[Amurets]

Congratulations from the bottom of my heart! All the very best! Well, and live as many more!

[Bayonet]

Congratulations! And so that the soul and everything else - as in 25!

[demo]

The leader of the fall among large US companies was Apple, whose shares fell immediately by 6%. This led to the fact that the company only one last night lost enormous funds - almost 158 billion dollars! It is reported by USA Today.

Oh, what the hell!
Shares fell in price.
They are in someone's arms.
Someone will sell them tomorrow, cheaper.
Or he will not sell and will wait until they rise in price.
So where is the loss of the company?

[Asadullah]

This led to the fact that the company only one last night lost enormous funds - almost 158 ​​billion dollars!

An inexperienced reader may not understand such numbers. And what they reflect. And not even all economists understand what is happening, because an accountant is not an economist. And they reflect the whole essence of the modern economy. When the "price" of a corporation shows nothing at all except the number of shareholders. And the products of the corporation are like advertising for a casino. Whoever has brighter and more expensive advertising will get a string of idiots there. In order to get closer to understanding, ask yourself a question, with a drop in quotations, will Apple sales decrease? Will the sales increase with the quotes increase? The answer to both questions is no. For production there is planned tougher than in the USSR State Planning Committee. On the inflow of share capital, the company increases advertising of the trend and advertising of the expectation of such, the rest of the money goes into a pyramid, which is no different from MMM. Only Mavrodi brought her to inevitable collapse, in this case she is artificially bloodletted, without leading to death. This is what is happening now. And this is the entire world economy, in part, the corresponding part of the extra money.

[iConst]

Quote: Asadullah

... the rest of the money goes into a pyramid that is no different from MMM

With regards to Apple - different as day from night. This is not a pyramid, but a real high-tech production (not your own, but not important). The fact that common financial assets do not reflect true capitalization does not make production pyramids.

MMM is a "pure" financial pyramid.

[Asadullah]

With regards to Apple - different as day from night. This is not a pyramid, but a real high-tech production (not your own, but not important).

I bet you. In Apple, there is nothing that would distinguish it from other manufacturers, except for the fashion for constructivism. What is the difference between a brand of expensive clothes from cheap? High tech? Moreover, Apple does not develop industrial, defense and space devices, such as Sun. But the capitalization of Sana'a, in comparison with Apple, is like an ant with an elephant.

The fact that common financial assets do not reflect true capitalization does not make production pyramids.

Production, as a rule, in such corporations is separated from the financial sector and works on the principle of order-prepayment-final settlement upon fact. where does the rest of the money go? Stock trading in the stock market is essentially a pyramid.

[iConst]

Quote: Asadullah

I bet you. Apple has nothing to distinguish it from other manufacturers., except for the fashion of constructivism.

Why argue - a bumblebee flies slower than a fly. I have seen.

Thesis lost?

[Asadullah]

You say about a high-tech product, then provide data on how much it is ahead in speed, in the amount of memory, in interaction with discrete devices. But you can’t argue, a beautiful thing sticks to your hand, it’s important to pull it out of your briefcase, they won’t think that it is a beggar, even if the briefcase is dermatous.

[atalef]

Quote: Asadullah

Apple has nothing to distinguish it from other manufacturers,

Why? There are iPhones (which means they were bought) from almost any monkey in Africa, i.e. he is hungry, but with an iPhone, not with a scrambled Nokia and not with an advanced one (what about Yutafon?) I write in Russian, too lazy to switch to English, and so, not with him but with iPhone - that means they gave birth and bought from them - exactly it makes a good company

Quote: Asadullah

Moreover, Apple does not develop industrial, defense and space devices, such as Sun. But the capitalization of Sana'a, in comparison with Apple, is like an ant with an elephant.

Yes, because in Africa (and not only 0 neither run with the radar under the arm, but run with the iPhone.

In the world there are approximately 1000 companies producing smartphones, and only one of them receives almost all of the profit generated in the industry. According to the investment company Canaccord Genuity, in the first quarter of this year, Apple accounted for 92% of all operating profit earned by smartphone manufacturers in the world. A year earlier, Apple's share was 65%.

Quote: Asadullah

Production, as a rule, in such corporations is separated from the financial sector and works on the principle of order-prepayment-final settlement upon fact. where does the rest of the money go?

i.e.? And who orders production to them? And who pays?

[Bayonet]

Quote: iConst

MMM is a "pure" financial pyramid.

Heard, Mavrodi is already spreading suckers in South Africa! In the north of the African continent - in Egypt - there are already pyramids. But in the south - in South Africa - are absent. They are created by Mavrodi. True, the pyramids will be financial and unlikely to stand for millennia, as Egyptian ....

[atalef]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: iConst

MMM is a "pure" financial pyramid.

Heard, Mavrodi is already spreading suckers in South Africa!

Everything within BRICS

[Tusv]

Quote: Asadullah

At a surge of equity money, the company increases trend advertising and advertising expectations of such, the rest of the money goes into a pyramid that is no different from MMM. Only Mavrodi brought her to inevitable collapse

So the collapse of Mavrodi is the construction of a new pyramid, and so in the MMM ten Russian budgets were spinning then. Well, as the government bodies fussed, they seized it. That's why they survived in troubles

[Aandrewsir]

All these "indices, ratings and rates" are basically. "sucked from the finger" and serve to strengthen and promote "American values" and strengthen their economy. You probably need to keep them in mind. But in no case be guided by them! Let it fall or fall apart! Or don't fall ... Don't give a damn about them!

[iConst]

Quote: Aandrewsir

Let them fall or collapse! Or do not fall ... Do not give a damn about them!

Look, countries are now like domino knuckles lined up in a circle on the floor. The floor is a little uneven - barely noticeable ups and downs.
Push one knuckle - we get the effect. But now, if there is a rise in the direction of the impulse, the knuckle on the rise may not fall, having sustained the impulse of the fall of the neighboring one - an inclination towards it.

I don’t give a damn, but we’ll shake even harder. Although - maybe for the better.

[mealnik2005]

Quote: Deniska

Everything is very simple!!! If export income decreases, it is compensated by the price of domestic consumption (this is with regards to oil and gasoline). We think that the country is losing money and they have a law of conservation of "energy". If somewhere has departed, then somewhere has arrived))

I didn’t get ... Oil is growing - gasoline is also, oil is falling, and gasoline is still growing. It’s easy to understand the logic, if you remember about the traders - I’ve also found a permanent residence.

[VladimS]

Quote: rosarioagro

Quote: AGAIN

Much will depend on it in the fall in the world.

Buy dollars, gentlemen, perhaps this will somehow help you mitigate the consequences of a possible devaluation of the ruble in the fall and winter, do not be shy, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation has already bought it on the stock exchange, including for your money received in the form of taxes and fees ...

In the 41st .., with such agitators and instigators, they were not particularly zerimonim ...
Which was quite fair, according to the situation!

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: VladimS

In the 41st .., with such agitators and instigators, they were not particularly zerimonim ...
Which was quite fair, according to the situation!

Only in the 41st state was the people and worked in the interests of the vast majority, and not as it is now.

[rosarioagro]

Quote: Uncle Joe

Only in the 41st state was the people and worked in the interests of the vast majority, and not as it is now.

It's amazing that sometimes some people do not seem to notice this :-)

[slizhov]

something worthless to the horseradish dancer, however ...
Obama King tried to speak, but was so blown away that the entire US gendarmerie is tearing at the seams ...;)

[Maxim Shilin]

Quote: svetoruss

In China, they shoot their thieves, having previously taken the money for a bullet, that it will not be difficult to imagine doing with a stranger ...

It would be nice for us to have such a practice - with the complete confiscation of property up to 5 knees + shooting, you look at once the thief would be reduced by a couple of orders of magnitude

[Prisoner]

So Putin is not to blame? Well, okay. At least some variety.

[TOR2]

Quote: Captive

So Putin is not to blame?

Why? The crisis is in ruin, beyond sanctions, counter-sanctions, dominoes rained down, the mattress was hooked. It's simple, Putin is to blame. The Banana mess here is nothing to do with.

[Uncle Joe]

Quotes of the Dow Jones index for the first time in 4-5 years collapsed immediately by 3,12%. The NASDAQ index fell by almost 3%. Fell by 2,7% and S & P500, "breaking" the psychological mark of 2000 points.
The leader of the fall among large US companies was Apple, whose shares fell immediately by 6%. This led to the fact that the company only one last night lost enormous funds - almost 158 ​​billion dollars!

Horror, horror - States kirdyk ...

Only now, Apple lost not 158 ​​lard, but 158 ​​lard capitalization - the demand for shares fell, followed by a fall in the price of shares, as a result of which capitalization fell by 158 lard (estimated value of the company).

And here is a comparison of the Dow Jones with the Russian RTS for the 14th year:

[Prisoner]

Two friends meet. Two old avid hunters.
One asks the other:
- And imagine you went hunting, a bear. And here is the forest, and you are right at the bear. What will you do?
The second answers him:
- I'm from my shotgun - bang, bang! Ready bear!
First:
- But you don’t have your shotgun, I forgot at home! What will you do?
Second:
- AND! Well then, I’ll get my hunting dagger and slaughter a bear!
The first does not stop:
- But you don’t have a dagger, your wife forgot to put it! What will you do?
Second:
“I'll take the first log I get and still kill the bear!”
First:
“But you don’t have a log ...”
Second:
- Listen friend, I don’t understand something? Are you for me or for the bear?

http://pozitivnews.ru/anekdot-history/59-anekdoty-iz-moego-detstva.html Something like that.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Captive

- Listen friend, I don’t understand something? Are you for me or for the bear?

Socrates is my friend, but truth is more expensive (and the link is broken)

[VladimS]

Buy dollars, gentlemen, perhaps this will somehow help you mitigate the consequences of a possible devaluation of the ruble in the fall and winter, do not be shy, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation has already bought it on the exchange, including for your money received in the budget in the form of taxes and fees ..

Quote: Uncle Joe

Quote: VladimS

In the 41st .., with such agitators and instigators, they were not particularly zerimonim ...
Which was quite fair, according to the situation!

Only in the 41st state was the people and worked in the interests of the vast majority, and not as it is now.

So I say, in the interests of the vast majority, such instigators to the wall were put ... easily! And no one regretted them

[rosarioagro]

Quote: VladimS

So I say, in the interests of the vast majority, such instigators to the wall were put ... easily!

And what am I inciting, you our easy?

[Prisoner]

This you will ask SMERSH.

[rosarioagro]

Quote: Captive

This you will ask SMERSH.

Living with illusions is harmful, live in the present, the USSR, Stalin, Beria, SMERSH are deep in the past and there will be no return to this, Putin will not let you lie :-)

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: VladimS

So I say, in the interests of the vast majority, such instigators to the wall were put ... easily! And no one regretted them

You’re talking about something else, but I have a question: how long has the gag stopped talking about the simplest and most effective way to preserve the purchasing power of household funds under capitalism began to relate to the interests of the vast majority?

[olimpiada15]

Well done, the Chinese! Draw down the state stock market! This is class!
America finally arrived!
I’m waiting for Russia to lower the states to where these scammers have a place.

[Dryuya2]

German satirist about Obama and the USA

[demoniac1666]

There is no place here for dreams and chimeras. The time has gone quiet for those years. All couriers, couriers, couriers, brokers, brokers, brokers. From a Jew to a Chinese, a rogue and a gentleman, all in a single column are considered the same - businessman. On top hats, caps and caps A rain of stocks whistles and pours. That's where the world chains are for you, Here is the world crook for you. If you want to burst out your soul here, They will say: either stupid, or drunk. Here it is - the world exchange, Here they are - scoundrels of all countries.
Sergey Yesenin about America.

[cergey51046]

Whether there will be more, wash yourself.