The United States planned to drop 13 atomic bombs on Japan

The United States did not intend to stop nuclear strikes on Japan after the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 - they not only practically collected the third bomb, but also planned to make more 12, reports RIA News with reference to the Daily Beast.

“Decoding the talks of high-ranking military experts 13 August 1945 of the year indicate that the bomb for the third, potentially more powerful, strike was almost collected on the Mariana Islands and 19 August could be used, - writes the edition. - Serial production was also being prepared for the release of 12 other bombs - the United States planned to bomb Japan until it surrenders. ”

According to the American portal, "the special military committee considered Kyoto, Hiroshima, Yokohama, Kokuru, Niigata and even Tokyo as targets." Military experts were going to study the effect of nuclear strikes more thoroughly and chose cities that were not affected by conventional shelling. The exception was that which was destroyed during the Tokyo raids - it was left on the list of potential victims, no matter what.

But the surviving Kyoto, located in the south of Japan, was removed from the list of bombings, because US Secretary of Defense Henry Stimson, who spent his honeymoon there at the time, said that it was "an important cultural center."

However, the bombing was no longer necessary - on August 15 Japan surrendered, and the production of the bombs was stopped.

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[ALEA IACTA EST]

Here they are white, fluffy and liberal.

[Vend]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Here they are white, fluffy and liberal.

Yes, no one doubted in the United States. And let the Japanese continue to bow to the overseas lord.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Wend

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Here they are white, fluffy and liberal.

Yes, no one doubted in the United States. And let the Japanese continue to bow to the overseas lord.

the question turns itself: and then, would the yapi also cave in under the Yankees? (Hiroshima and Nagasaki, obviously did not add any mind ...)

[clidon]

What would change? There was a total war, the methods both sides used "what are available." At the same time, now the Japanese recognize themselves (and we agree with this, too, by the way) in that war, wrong. Means and the nonsense was knocked out correctly.

[clidon]

Of course, if you turn on propaganda and declare concentration camps as the norm, then of course, society may well reverse. But that is the task "to be remembered".

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: papas-57

If the Japanese (and Germans) do not constantly pounce and not to remind, then in 20-25 years they will speak and acknowledge a completely different thing. They will be in their minds victims of war. The memory of the people who committed war crimes is short. After one or two generations, they pass from the punishers to the victims and prove it strenuously.

A good example is the Kuril Islands. Leave alone the priority of discovery. Consider the last established boundaries. After the war, our islands? Definitely. So what are they talking about? After all, it was not Stalin, but HIM Hirohito said: "War cancels all agreements." THEY forgot about it? If not, why do they consider the territories that belong to us, at least as a winner, to be occupied?

It is necessary to pin up, it is necessary to remind. And, first of all, to remind who exactly bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And then in Japan there are more American military bases than sushi bars. Let them remember under whose occupation they are now and who can pile on them in the same way as in China in 45 ...

[Lelek]

Quote: clidon

So the crap beat out right.

Dope must be knocked out, but not with atomic weapons. Here the states remained true to themselves - from a distant, from a safe zone for themselves and, preferably, by the wrong hands.

[clidon]

From far away from the safe zone, not the States are fighting. And everyone who has the opportunity to such a war.
At the same time, having received a superweapon, it was used with maximum efficiency. In that war, where it was about the survival and redivision of the whole world, this was an undoubted crime. But a crime against a ruthless criminal. An ally of the same ruthless criminal.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: clidon

From far away from the safe zone, not the States are fighting. And everyone who has the opportunity to such a war.

Answer a simple question. And who in 1945 had nuclear weapons to use them at a safe distance? My answer is America alone!
All other countries that received nuclear weapons much later did not use them on foreign territory.
So your statement that "From a distance from the safe zone, it is not the States that are fighting. But everyone who has the opportunity for such a war.", And we are talking about a nuclear war - to put it mildly, deception of the readers of the Military Review.

[clidon]

Of course, America used the weapon. And who else could apply it? Who had it.

It was a question of any war — the one who can destroy an enemy with impunity without receiving an answer from him uses this to the fullest. Until the end of victory.

[Reserve officer]

For an objective analysis, it would be nice to publish the plans of Great Britain and the USA on the war against the USSR already in 1945 with the use of nuclear weapons. And they would have come true if in July 1945 Churchill had not been given a run in the election. The Laborites of Great Britain did not support the United States, and alone Harry Truman did not want something.
All this is necessary for our children to be taught in schools. And then all the friends, friends ...

[clidon]

Well, you see how important democracy is. Churchill was not chosen and that’s all, plans were blown away. Do you really believe that?

[asiat_61]

Why, Churchill, the winner was not chosen, the question was not asked?

[clidon]

Well, I don’t even know ... Is it because voters announced plans to start a nuclear war. By the way, where did Churchill get nuclear weapons?

[Maks111]

Why did they drop xnumx bombs? Yes, because there was no more.

[ARS56]

It was no longer and was not planned. To demonstrate the possibilities before the USSR, it was enough, and serial products were intended only for attacking Russia. In terms of targets for bombing, the cities of Japan were listed in order of priority, provided that they had to be bombed urgently before Japan signed the surrender, and there should be a cloudless sky over the targets to record the combat use for the chosen targets.

[War and Peace]

it was necessary to reset more, narrow-eyed would have loved more pin_dosov ...

[vodolaz]

Yeah, and now the Japanese have also given them 20% of the territory for military bases. No self-esteem left.

[Alexey Boukin]

This article, yes, would print in Japanese newspapers. Although this is unlikely to help. The people, zombified by American propaganda, strongly believe that American bombing saved Japan from occupation by the Soviet Army.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: alexey bukin

This article, yes, would print in Japanese newspapers. Although this is unlikely to help. The people, zombified by American propaganda, strongly believe that American bombing saved Japan from occupation by the Soviet Army.

The USSR was unlikely to be able to occupy Japan. The USSR did not have so many landing ships in the Far East to carry out the same landing of troops that the Anglo-American troops carried out on the English Channel. But the bombing of Japanese territory of the USSR would not have been refused if they had not surrendered to the Americans on 1 of September 1945. By the way, Japan did not give up before the USSR and is still at war with Russia. Why the USSR did not stop destroying the Japanese aggressors in September 1945 and beyond, they surrendered only to the Americans, for me personally it’s a mystery.

[Pafos]

Dear, do not write nonsense. Just the Soviet Union could make the occupation of Japan, and almost made it. Who defeated the Kwantung Army, Japan's largest land force? What would you know the USSR. Read Vladimir Karpov Generallysimus everything is described there, including the post-war redistribution of the world.

[Maks111]

Yeah, and now the Japanese have also given them 20% of the territory for military bases. No self-esteem left.

What can they do? To fight with pin.dostan? They lost the war, now they are paying. If we were smarter then we would still be in the center of Europe.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Here they are white, fluffy and liberal.

In American forums, everyone supports the bombing, which supposedly saved the lives of thousands of American soldiers. The United States could not have defeated Japan without nuclear weapons. I remember they stormed some kind of island related to Japan for a very long time and with very large casualties, but if the United States landed on large islands, the casualties would be huge.

[ARS56]

The United States asked Stalin to end the war with Japan, because themselves could not.
Atomic bombings were intended to intimidate the USSR.
The Japanese simply did not notice them, since the connection in the country was broken and witnesses of the explosion of a large bomb were localized in the immediate vicinity of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[prosto_rgb]

Well, that did not ride.
Otherwise, we would not see: neither melts, nor Nissans, nor cute animes.

[Scraptor]

They're pretending that they've run out of fissile materials ... it all went into three rounds, including a test one. And Japan surrendered to them on August 15 because it lost its weapons of mass destruction in Manchuria (Detachment 731), and following the "northern territories" the USSR could be captured through narrow straits in just a couple of months.

[Scraptor]

In addition, the first American nuclear weapons, due to the insignificance of its equivalent (in addition to the scanty number of warheads) in the Japanese genocide, played a much smaller role than conventional bomber aviation - a raid on Tokyo of just 300 conventional bombers immediately killed more civilians than 2-3 atomic raids, and the atom (in total in two cities) ultimately killed more only radiologically in the years after the war ended.
From February 1945, Americans destroyed 1-2 Japanese cities a week with ordinary carpet bombings with lighters. In just six months, they destroyed 69 cities, and more than 2 million civilians, and in Toyama from 150 thousand in August 1945, no one survived at night in a fire storm.
Japan decided to answer all this with a bacteriological weapon in the USA, but the USSR did not allow it to do this in Manchuria (Detachment 731). In fact, besides the USSR, no one was then in the foreseeable future able to finish off the Japanese army on the islands, forcing narrow straits, because all American ocean carriers and military transport (UDC) with marine corps would have been easily knocked out by Japanese coastal aviation. The USSR, on the contrary, had the opportunity to land there on small amphibious means and under the cover of both its own aircraft (which flew from the airfields that do not burn, do not torpedo, and do not sink) and coastal artillery. There will not be enough kamikaze on a raft or a boat with a compartment, and he will not get into a high-speed maneuvering boat.
The world community actually has a very misconception about the nature and possible developments of World War II. In the end, Japan simply lay under the United States so that it would not be occupied by the Soviet Union in a bad way and that it would then not be divided into occupation zones like Germany (with the possible loss of Hokkaido by 50 years).

[KAV]

This is a long-known fact about state plans ...

[Tor5]

One word - cannibals!

[Scraptor]

This is not a fact, but a lie - new warheads would have appeared in 6-8 months and in less quantity.

These 12 or 13 cities would not add to the already destroyed 69 large weight - the Americans from February 1945 destroyed 1-2 Japanese cities per week ordinary carpet bombing.

On the contrary, if the USSR did not intervene in August 1945, it would not have been their fate to use these bombs because until the loss of Detachment 731 in Manchuria, Japan was able to destroy a significant part of the US population with its bacteriological weapons of mass destruction, and just by that time had accumulated the minimum necessary quantity (so that the enemy does not have time to develop a vaccine / antidote against bacilli during large-scale epidemics).
And the United States Marine Corps (without using the territory of the USSR as a springboard) would invade the territory of Japan in general in 1945-46, but was not able to ... But the USSR could easily gather through narrow straits and from day to day.

The article itself is a lie and stuffing from the first line to the last - the production of nuclear weapons in the United States in those decades never stopped.

[olimpiada15]

And the question is why Japan Kuril Islands? More islands, more targets for bombing. It is more rational for them to ask us as a subject of the federation, under our umbrella, but we never dropped atomic bombs on peaceful cities, unlike the states.

[valerysvy]

"Peaceful cities" is that? In World War II, we didn't bomb "peaceful cities"? Or were those cities "not peaceful"? Total War Ept ... The Japanese did not take into account the civilian population anywhere ... they cut only in this way ... and did not feel remorse ... Maybe they should apologize to the Chinese for war crimes first? And should you apologize to the peoples of other countries captured then?

[lelikas]

Quote: valerysvy

"Peaceful cities" is that? In World War II, we didn't bomb "peaceful cities"? Or were those cities "not peaceful"? Total War Ept ... The Japanese did not take into account the civilian population anywhere ... they cut only in this way ... and did not feel remorse ... Maybe they should apologize to the Chinese for war crimes first? And should you apologize to the peoples of other countries captured then?

We - no, we mainly bombed factories for the production of equipment and fuels and lubricants, but the Americans basically erased residential neighborhoods from the face - the factories were mostly their property.

[valerysvy]

What are you crazy talking about? In the 41st we did not bomb the civilian population of Berlin? Or in factories? The total war of extermination was ... what a civilian population ...
Do you want to sing about the treatment of Japanese civilians?

[Styx]

I want: a person 70-80% consists of water - a fact established by the Japanese empirically in the civilian population. In what ways, I think, those who wish will clarify for themselves .... It is difficult to evaluate all this. Everything is very ambiguous .... But, in my opinion, ours managed to smash military installations, sparing peaceful quarters

[asiat_61]

Our pilots accurately bombed Berlin, they knew somewhere below Colonel Isaev.

[lelikas]

Quote: valerysvy

Do you want to sing anything?

Wrong address, my dear.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: valerysvy

What are you crazy talking about? In the 41st we did not bomb the civilian population of Berlin? Or in factories? The total war of extermination was ... what a civilian population ...
Do you want to sing about the treatment of Japanese civilians?

The Germans destroyed entire villages, Russia didn’t cut out German settlements, they bombed cities, because the Wehrmacht forces dug in there and it was necessary to defeat them.

[valerysvy]

What GERMANS? "Wrong address" Was Japanese society focused on war? Children "kamikaze" were put on airplanes? Everyone was ready to die and everyone did everything for the war? Not this way? Japanese society has always encouraged war crimes - it is society - for the Japanese military is one with the people of Japan. That's all .. Maybe someone from the "Peaceful gorod", having entered the territories occupied by them, would not commit war crimes against the civilian population? 100% all would have cut the same Chinese - they have no concept of "war crimes - they have" Japanese nationalism "(analogue of German National Socialism, only in an even cooler form) - they are Asians ... Bottom line - Correctly that they were cured! And atomic weapons (discarding ideological dogmas - just in fact) saved hundreds of thousands of soldiers' lives to the stupid ones and helped to end (without ideology, consider it) the war ...
That's the whole story! From the point of view of ideology, this process can be considered as you like - just in fact - this is how these "Peaceful" residents should be .. Total war ... Let them repent for their crimes (which they NEVER DO - Asians - they will not understand THAT), and then they demand repentance from the Americos ...
For me it’s so - I know how the Yapis behaved with ours back in 1905 - during the occupation of Sakhalin .... I repeat - They cut the prisoners, slaughtered the wounded with bayonets - Japanese society never condemned this ..

[Proud.]

Quote: valerysvy

What are you crazy talking about? In the 41st we did not bomb the civilian population of Berlin? Or in factories? Total war of extermination was ... what kind of civilian population ... Do you want to sing about the treatment of the Japanese civilian population?

There was no task to drop bombs anywhere. So there was no task to bomb "civilians". In Berlin, there were more than 30 military factories, warehouses, bases, airfields and the like. Military industrial facilities and communication centers were bombed. By the way (we are talking about the first bombing of Berlin on August 7, 1941). Crews of 10 smollets who made mistakes in the route, along the route (a minute error in the route threatened to affect the fuel supply in the most fatal way), they dropped bombs on Stettin (the fuel was running out, they did not risk it), on its port facilities. But they got nowhere! The five remaining DB-3Fs flew to Berlin ...

[papas-57]

'' In 41, we did not bomb the civilian population of Berlin? Or factories? '' YES, NO BOMBIES. The aim of the raids in August 1941 were the railway station and the MILITARY factories. Where did it end up is another question. Well, they couldn't. And the Americans with brites specifically bombed residential areas, i.e. civilians in order to intimidate the Germans.

[Scraptor]

just to kill them ... because they are not "purebred", like the Russians (as well as most Italians and Spaniards).

the Chinese, their elite generally does not consider people and poisoned with opium, as well as eliminated the war of the same name with the aim of freedom of its distribution.

[Aleks.Antonov]

Dear, how did the Soviet air raids differ from the air raids of our allies so that we did not bomb civilians. We bombed factories, military installations and other strategically important things of the enemy. And when Berlin was bombed in the 41st, we did not bomb residential buildings, but factories. And what Western countries present for us for Koenigsberg, for example, we bombed the port, not residential buildings. True, a lot of civilians perished in the port.

[Manul]

Quote: valerysvy

"Peaceful cities" is that? In World War II, we didn't bomb "peaceful cities"? Or were those cities "not peaceful"? Total War Ept ... The Japanese did not take into account the civilian population anywhere ... they cut only in this way ... and did not feel remorse ... Maybe they should apologize to the Chinese for war crimes first? And should you apologize to the peoples of other countries captured then?

Somehow you get two in one. And about us liberal exhaust, and about the Japanese is quite fair to itself. Somehow I would like to read it in different comments. About our policy you were clearly explained below. And about the Japanese, who have not seen, and who have strong nerves, try to see the Japanese concentration camp "Detachment 731" - Conveyor of Death and the Man behind the Sun. I warn you, nerves should be of steel. Or wash down with all sorts of medicines, everything that you see and hear.

[APASUS]

That’s what you need to learn from the Americans — handle allies. Now the Japanese are grateful to the United States for their base in the country, and talk of compensation or simply a banal apology is not even heard, but they could also demand material compensation from the USA

[veksha50]

Quote: APASUS

But they could also demand material compensation from the USA

Come on ... Cynically speaking, because thanks to the states, they managed to develop their economy this way ... Paradoxically, but it was the Marshall Plan and the ban on military spending that became the foundation of Japan's economic development ... Paradoxically, it’s a fact ...

And what is the demand for compensation when the invaders on their land quietly exist, and their AUGs are swimming next to them, like floats ???

[Bronik]

For the United States, it is preferable to wipe out millions of cities along with the population with bombs (missiles) rather than fight with your army units. It was and is so. Build your well-being on the ashes and blood of others.

[shans2]

Russia should do the same in all major wars of the future, otherwise the population of Russia will be reduced to an unrestored minimum. It’s not worth pitying the enemy, you have to pity your own, another question is that military goals and bases are a priority, not peaceful cities.

[Vadim237]

For us, there are only two powerful adversaries: the USA and China, the rest is a shusher.

[andrei332809]

democrats, what ... now they will even credit themselves as having not dropped

[valerysvy]

What's the problem? Well, they would have dropped another 13 ... so what? There was a TOTAL WAR! As for the Japanese .... Guys ... Do you have any idea how they behaved with the civilian population in the then occupied territories? Narrow-eyed "fascism" ....
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Japanese-Japanese ... oh poor .... Who has a short memory, remember how the Japanese behaved on Sakhalin during the Russo-Japanese war of 1905 ... How did they behave with OUR wounded? And with the prisoners? Pinned with bayonets ... chopped with swords and received the highest Japanese awards for IT! This is not true? By the way, a sign hangs on 60% of the bars in Japan - only for the Japanese ... Rejoice and protect them ..

[lelikas]

Quote: valerysvy

There was a TOTAL WAR! As for the Japanese .... Guys ... Do you have any idea how they behaved with the civilian population in the then occupied territories? Narrow-eyed "fascism" ....
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Japanese-Japanese ... oh poor ....

It turns out that the Germans, who destroyed 20 million of ours, did everything right? There is genocide, but there are war crimes and there is no need to hurt them at all. We could easily leave a single lunar landscape from Germany in a couple of days, but we didn’t, but saved people and cities.

[valerysvy]

I IN RUSSIAN asked you a question-ABOVE-you answered? Or the bombing, of the same Berlin in 41, is it not the bombing of the "Peaceful City"? Total war ... And so you can agree before our war crimes ...
This is not the question - how did the Japanese behave? What they wanted, they got it .... The whole country worked for the war ... there was no civilian population ... Or were the Japanese "Dushki"?

[kotvov]

there was no civilian population ... Or were the Japanese "Dushki"? ,,
Of course, both children were criminals and old men and women, all of them were knives.

[lelikas]

Quote: valerysvy

I IN RUSSIAN asked you a question-ABOVE-you answered? Or the bombing, of the same Berlin in 41, is it not the bombing of the "Peaceful City"? Total war ... And so you can agree before our war crimes ...
This is not the question - how did the Japanese behave? What they wanted, they got it .... The whole country worked for the war ... there was no civilian population ... Or were the Japanese "Dushki"?

If you do not know such a small thing that each crew in those raids had a specific goal - what else needs to be explained?

[kotvov]

Rejoice and protect them .. ,,
Well, you have a direct road to the essay samurai. Do you have a concept of civilians and military facilities?

[aszzz888]

they not only practically assembled the third bomb, but also planned to make another 12

Do they know about this in Japan?
And if they do, then judging by their "quirks", they have completely forgotten.
To refresh their memory ...

[Vadim237]

In war, all means are good, including nuclear weapons.

[BOB044]

The Japanese need to kiss the United States even more tightly and in a hickey for what they did and wanted to do with them in August 1945.

[fomkin]

"Bomb production has been stopped." Is this just a disclaimer or an opinion? And like all articles are moderated.

[voyaka23]

and the production of bombs was stopped
OH WELL

[Zomanus]

It’s a pity that a couple more bombs were not dropped. For example, Tokyo and Kyoto.

[voronbel53]

Quote: Zomanus

It’s a pity that a couple more bombs were not dropped. For example, Tokyo and Kyoto.

The Japanese people are to blame for the fact that they have formed such a regime, but not to the same extent as to be held responsible for the war crimes of their army. Do you think that the civilian population that does not participate in direct killings and crimes of military fanatics of the imperial army should be subjected to mass extermination, and even in such a "humane" way ?! Following your logic, the population of Ukraine should also bear the same responsibility for the crimes of the fascist pravosek, Bandera, bandits and marauders? I think you have undergone a feeling of just retribution, but you need to think a little - without fanaticism ...

[AlNikolaich]

What fanaticism, colleague? Or war criminals are no longer part of the people? Didn't he feed them?
The people allowed all of these Shintoists, Bendera, and law-abductors to appear! He lives them
ideas, supports them, feeds, sends sons to their ranks! Therefore, only hardcore!
And no other way! Camps and executions! Genocide! And the older I get, the more effective
and it seems fair to me such an outcome! Scum must be destroyed totally, like a parasite!
Otherwise, over the years, from the abandoned larvae the reptile will grow again! Prosyusyukali with Bandera
We have what we have! Japan is the same ... Militarism raises its head there again. And from the filing
America yapy again open their mouths to our islands, and there Sakhalin soon ...
They didn’t finish ... But it was necessary as with the Germans in eastern Prussia.

[veksha50]

Quote: AlNikolaich

Didn’t finish ...

I completely agree...

And Germany including, and Europe ... And it's a pity that the "partners" on the Elbe were not driven back and Dunkirk-2 was not arranged ... Maybe now SUCH problems would not exist ...

[demo]

I have always been interested in one question.
And why, after testing our hydrogen bomb in the New Earth, America became so docile and negotiable?
It turns out that sadists only enjoy when they know for sure that they are not in danger.

Here is the "dog and rummaged."
The Yankees begin to have a folding conversation and sound clever speeches when "Kuzkina's mother" appears in front of their face.
By the way.
When is the appearance of GDP in the UN?
Maybe he should take a couple of pickaxes with him?

[armata37]

And why, after testing our hydrogen bomb in the New Earth, America became so docile and negotiable?

Because states recognize and understand only power

Regarding a speech to Vladimir Putin at the UN General Assembly, I saw here http://lenta.ru/news/2015/07/27/peskov/

As for the boots, I can say that I understood your hint, but you don’t need to take an example from the Khrushchev volunteer. And the president himself is far from that. Take Crimea as an example. On the contrary, I like in our president that he is silent about many things, but at the same time he does.

[veksha50]

Quote: demo

Maybe he should take a couple of pickaxes with him?

Yeah ... And make some representatives of some countries clean them to a shine ...

[konvalval]

They have nothing sacred outside the United States. This article is for sobering up those who admire the "delights of democracy" and impose these "delights" on others. If they need to, they will grind into powder and admirers without batting an eye. There are already plenty of examples.

[chenia]

Quote: valerysvy

What are you crazy talking about? In the 41st we did not bomb the civilian population of Berlin? Or in factories? The total war of extermination was ... what a civilian population ...

I answer especially cunning liberoids.

- War with civilians is unacceptable, the main rule.

- If 30-even 300 planes make a raid, you can always refer to the supposedly bombed factories, port. control points, etc. Well, they missed and hit residential areas, which is generally normal. It happens in the rules of war.
And when 1500 aircraft is a war crime (deliberate planned destruction of the civilian population).

The Americans. at first, the cities of Germany were not massively bombed (military ethics however. worked only on industrial and military facilities). The British taught, and pin .. dosam liked (nothing will come the time, and someone will wean them).

- You can bomb a frontline or surrounded city (all responsibility is on the defenders (as an option, surrender the city).

As for the Japanese soldiers, if the Americans tore them eggs without exception, they deserved to agree. But to bomb the cities en masse - they themselves must be neutered for it.

[valerysvy]

What are you talking about? Generally WHAT? The Japanese were not aggressors and invaders? Did the Japanese slaughter civilians? Should the US apologize to them? Sorry, in Russian, I ask, the Japanese apologized for the mass executions of the same Chinese? Or did they not conduct experiments on people?
Everybody has a RIM IN A CANNON .... There was a total war .... What "peaceful cities" ... There were no "peaceful cities" ... there were enemy cities ... And no one considered civilians in World War II ... The defeat of the Enemy is the main thing ..... And the enemy's "civilian population" works for the war ... Is that not so?

The Americans. at first they didn’t bomb the cities of Germany

And what?
I wanted to say nothing more ....

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: chenia

War with civilians is unacceptable, the main rule.

Do you hear yourself? You have the flag of Ukraine, which will iron its people every day ...

[valerysvy]

Which Hohland? Patriot type? You? Ours in 41 Berlin bombed? Civilians? Those even in the forehead, even on the forehead .... In a total war there is no civilian population, because the entire population works for war ...

[Hecto]

Quote: valerysvy

"Peaceful cities" is that? In World War II, we didn't bomb "peaceful cities"? Or were those cities "not peaceful"? Total War Ept ... The Japanese did not take into account the civilian population anywhere ... they cut only in this way ... and did not feel remorse ... Maybe they should apologize to the Chinese for war crimes first? And should you apologize to the peoples of other countries captured then?

Mndya, another one who believes that Gagarin flew to the moon (((

[zyablik.olga]

The United States planned to drop 13 atomic bombs on Japan

Unfortunately, in recent years, many such frankly ridiculous but "ideologically consistent" publications began to appear on VO. Two bombs (uranium and plutonium) are all that the United States could use against Japan in the 1945 year. The Americans were bluffing in many ways, threatening further nuclear bombing.

Japan surrendered, and the production of bombs was stopped.

Really? This generally "does not fit into any gate."

[clidon]

This is a new declassified "by date" information.

[Old26]

Article, to be honest, delusional. Put a minus. And it's not about the ethics or non-ethics of the use of nuclear weapons by the Americans. From a factual point of view, the article is delusional. Especially in terms of the quantitative composition of the American nuclear arsenal. At least the author would have looked through the materials before writing (there are enough of them on the network), and not use the rumors circulated by the Daily Beast. Which positions itself as an analytical publication, but more in its materials, "fried facts" is similar to the usual "yellow" tabloid press

Quote: aszzz888

they not only practically assembled the third bomb, but also planned to make another 12

Do they know about this in Japan?
And if they do, then judging by their "quirks", they have completely forgotten.
To refresh their memory ...

Of course they don’t know. How can one know what was not and could not be? This is the most common modern bike, which is based on the fact that now open materials at the end of 45 year US manufacturing facilities allowed 20 kg of plutoniumthat was enough to build 3 bombs. Hence the circulated rumors that the next nucleus for the bomb will arrive at Tinian 13 of Augustand somewhere 17 or 20 it will be applied.
Well, accordingly, through 10 days next core etc.
The realities are such that on "Baby" the Americans used all uranium stock.
Yet again, by the end of 45, the production of uranium enriched up to 80% was to reach 40 kg per month. But then again, by the end of 1945, and not in August 45.
The same Groves reported that second uranium bomb they will be able to collect only by the end of 1945 due to the lack of weapons-grade uranium.

The entire available stock of plutonium was used for two bombs: "Gadget" and "Fat Man". At the end of June, the Americans had plutonium for only two ammunition, one of which was tested, since the scheme was more complicated than that of the "Baby" (they did without testing there). Plutonium production the next two bombs of the “Fat Man” type (Mk-III) were assembled in December 1945 and tested on the Bikini Atoll in 1946. In total, in 1946, the United States had 9 (NINE) bombs. But to get as much as 12 against Japan - IMHO fake.

“The transcripts of the talks by senior military experts on August 13, 1945 indicate that the bomb for the third, potentially more powerful, strike was almost collected on the Mariana Islands and could be used on August 19,” the newspaper writes. “There was also preparations for mass production for the release of 12 other bombs - the US planned to bomb Japan until it surrenders.”

What served as the basis for this rumor - HZ. But I can assume that the rumors arose not from those who collected the bombs, but from other unrelated personnel. Most often, rumors come from them.
The reason for the rumors could be the presence on Tinian THREE ballistic hulls for the Fat Man bomb.
Three corps were delivered to the island, as were 2 aircraft.
The first building F-31 disassembled after training bombing and, in principle, he was ready for the core to be placed in it.
The second building - F-33 was lost in the ocean and in the case of F-32 they assembled a "fat man"that was ready to use already 5 of August and originally planned to be bombed 11 of Augustbut then the deadline was moved to 9.

[Bayonet]

Preparations for the use of nuclear weapons continued after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. According to Groves, the third plutonium bomb could be ready after August 13, other sources call it much later - not earlier than the fall of 1945. One way or another, when planning a possible landing on the Japanese Islands in the fall of 1945, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff planned to use nine atomic bombs. It is difficult to say how real these plans were. The surrender of Japan sharply slowed down all the work - by the end of the year there were only two bombs.
A very good article, with a detailed description of the history of creation and the principle of operation of the first American atomic bombs. I advise you to familiarize yourself!
http://war20.ru/article/6

[Shpagolom]

.... this is how the USA tactically "cleverly" saved Japan from the invasion of the Soviet army .....

[Vadim237]

Looks like when they start delivering nuclear strikes against us, they will say that this is necessary to save the Russians from themselves.

[Old26]

Quote: Bayonet

A very good article, with a detailed description of the history of creation and the principle of operation of the first American atomic bombs. I advise you to read! Http: //war20.ru/article/6

Really nice article. The Air Force generally ordered them to make 1946 bombs by January 50. By December 1945, only THREE had been made. The timing of plutonium production is really different. I heard not only August (after August 13) or not earlier than autumn, but also October-November. Whatever it was, but at the time of the surrender of Japan, the United States did not possess NOT ONE finished nuclear munitions

[Old26]

Quote: Bayonet

The surrender of Japan sharply slowed down all the work - by the end of the year there were only two bombs.

The surrender slowed down a little. Runtime was continuous, but they could make two more bombs only by December 1945

[Old26]

Quote: Bayonet

The surrender of Japan sharply slowed down all the work - by the end of the year there were only two bombs.

The surrender slowed down a little. Runtime was continuous, but they could make two more bombs only by December 1945

[Black cat]

Further evidence that the US leadership was to sit next to Goering and Co. at the Nuremberg trials.

[veksha50]

"The United States planned to drop 13 more atomic bombs on Japan" ...

Let the Japanese think it over: maybe the states are now ready to do this in order to prevent the occupation of Japan by Russia ???

So let them start from Hokkaido Island, where their bases are located ...

[polite people]

The main fascists on the planet are the USA. When will people all over the world start shouting about it loudly.

[voyaka uh]

I somehow forgot that the American nuclear project
created against Hitler, and not against the Japanese.
It was supposed to drop a bomb on the city of Berlin.
Scientists from Europe who created the bomb were very angry with the Nazis,
so things went off with such great speed.
When it turned out that Germany had been sorted out like that, then
enthusiasm faded. Moreover, one raid of 1000 strategic
bombers caused a much greater destructive effect than
Hiroshima power atomic bomb explosion.
With a raid on Tokyo, only 350 bombers killed 100 thousand people,
as much as in Hiroshima.
Japan was doomed, a nuclear attack by the Americans allowed the samurai generals
"surrender with honor", honestly report to the emperor after 2 days: "resistance is useless."

[Proud.]

"Plan to make" and "plan to use" are not the same thing. I believe that the Americans initially had other plans for Japan. Then why would they need a radioactive, contaminated territory?

[gregor6549]

Neither two nor 13 bombs would have forced Japan to surrender, just as the massive bombing of US aviation on Japanese cities, quite comparable in scale of destruction with the impact of atomic bombs, would have forced it to surrender. It was only the entry of the USSR into the war against it and the rapid defeat of the Kwantung Army that forced Japan to surrender. This made it possible for Japan to capitulate "without losing face."
And further. The decision to use the first two atomic bombs against Japan was made at the level of the US Secretary of War with the submission of General Gross, who was eager to show what his brainchild was capable of.
After Truman learned about the results of the bombing, he forbade further atomic bombings without his permission. And he was careful to give such a sanction, and bombs were no longer available. And when they appeared the war was already over.

[meriem1]

Nobody knows how it would be. At the very least, an ultimatum had to be put forward, and only that one would think about it, if at all one could think about it. This bombardment is a public humiliation of Japan and a transparent hint of the USSR. Bonding lives in the minds of the United States for a long time. The most unpleasant thing is that everyone sees this, but only Russia and, in some places, China say. Nasty ((((

[Reserve buildbat]

Yeah. They planned to drop another 13 bombs))) I smile broadly and believe. Who remembers when they carried out the next atomic explosion? How many years have passed? Or was it just a break for a look? They had no more even close bombs. They barely scraped together for the next explosion in 3 (if I'm not mistaken) of the year.

[Aleks.Antonov]

Bullshit! The Americans had no more atomic bombs! And there was no production of atomic bombs! The Americans launched the industrial production of nuclear bombs only in 1949. But I could be wrong. That was a long time ago. I began to forget. It is also nonsense that the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki helped accelerate the surrender of Japan. Only the USSR entering the war against Japan, the defeat of the Kwantung army, the potential threat of the capture of Hokkaido by the Soviet Army led Japan to an early surrender.
If the Americans had 13 nuclear bombs, they would drop them faster on the USSR.

[RiverVV]

The article looks sucked out of the finger. By 1946, the United States had only two plutonium charges, and both of them were used up during the exercises. More plutonium was not stupid, it still needed to be developed. By the end of 1946, another 9 Mark-3 bombs were ready. Even for Stalin's blackmail, this was not enough.

[pvv113]

The United States planned to drop 13 atomic bombs on Japan

These are the fucking Japanese friends

[chenia]

Quote: chenia

What are you talking about? Generally WHAT? The Japanese were not aggressors and invaders? Did the Japanese slaughter civilians? Should the US apologize to them? Sorry, in Russian, I ask, the Japanese apologized for the mass executions of the same Chinese? Or did they not conduct experiments on people?

Oh. these civilian pimples. aggressive just horror.

You at least, until the end read my post.

The Japanese military could not be taken prisoner either; these freaks burned with napalm quite rightly.

When during the fighting, civilians die. these are the costs of war and this is understandable.

But when in high offices and large headquarters they decide on their mass destruction - this is a crime to which there is no justification.

Fight with the troops. destroy infrastructure is normal.

But 20 Ktn is applied to the troops (for the battalion of 600-900 people, depending on the state).
Moreover, the battalion’s BP is such that 1/3 of the unit must maintain combat effectiveness.

You see how low the effect of nuclear weapons against troops is (and given that if there is even a seedy oldest carrier, Onest John. And not crap on a parachute, which will not be carried to where).

And in the city you can’t miss the sweet deal.

The Americans did not even have the moral right to such a war (Pearl Harbor is a purely military facility.)

[Old26]

Quote: gregor6549

And further. The decision to use the first two atomic bombs against Japan was made at the level of the US Secretary of War with the submission of General Gross, who was eager to show what his brainchild was capable of. After Truman learned of the results of the bombing, he forbade further atomic bombings without his permission. And he was careful to give such a sanction, and bombs were no longer available. And when they appeared the war was already over.

Nda. So Groves, not Truman, owned the phrase

Now I will have a club against these guys

So it’s not Truman, but Groves, who refused to demonstrate to the "world community" the bomb at the test site, inviting the Japanese there, but ordered the test to be carried out in "combat conditions." However, history is already being misinterpreted by everyone and sundry. The Minister of War had greater powers during the war than the President, i.e. commander-in-chief ... well, well

Quote: Aleks.Antonov

Americans established industrial production of nuclear bombs only in 1949

In 47. It was then that the mass production of the Mk III bomb (Fat Man) began

[denk20]

So information about further possible bombing of Japan is no longer a secret. Or in high school in the classroom history they don’t tell this now?

[clidon]

In Russia, the Soviet point of view is still the main one - in which nuclear bombs did not play a significant role in the war against Japan, there wasn’t any reserve of them (and nuclear materials), and all the tests were started only for the sake of effect, after Stalin indifferently reacted to Truman’s statement about the superbomb test and was not afraid.

[Old26]

Quote: denk20

So information about further possible bombing of Japan is no longer a secret. Or in high school in the classroom history they don’t tell this now?

That's even how. So they just chase schoolchildren into a blizzard.

[zone44]

Everyone who does not know what the Japanese were doing, I advise you to watch the films Man behind the Sun, City of Life and Death, Yon Rabe, Children of Huanshi, Flowers of War. Films shot on real events.

[Engineer]

What a primitive lie in the article: then only two bombs could be made from the USA to Los Alamos. Which in 46g was used on the Bikini Atoll. Therefore, at 45 they couldn’t throw another 13 to Japan.

[Aleksey_K]

There are a lot of opinions about Japan, about America and the USSR, which of them is the most criminal, which population is considered peaceful and which is not peaceful, that you can bomb, that you can’t. And almost all readers go to extremes.
Wars, depending on goals, are conquering and liberating. But any war is widespread cruelty. People have to kill other people. And if someone tells me that he is forced to kill the aggressor, then I will answer. Not ordinary people are starting wars, but the leaders of countries. And the people of the aggressor countries are also forced to kill, otherwise the court and reprisals, like a deserter, and even worse, as a traitor to the Motherland. But there are not war crimes in the war, but universal ones, when killing people or bullying is justified by nothing, when they simply kill an unarmed population no longer in battle or scoff at it. On my own behalf, I will say that during the war there is no civilian population, usually almost the entire civilian population is a patriot of their homeland, and upon appeal, immediately replenishes the ranks of the armies, works at military factories and facilities. Therefore, when someone says that neighborhoods with civilians are being bombed - this is nonsense! These peaceful, who at this moment are resting from work in their apartments or raising future soldiers, they are ready at any moment to take up arms and go to the front in the heat of their patriotism. Therefore, the term civilian population is complete nonsense, there is an armed population, but there is no armed one. And the unarmed population working for their homeland is also not a civilian population and is also subject to destruction, because plants without a population cannot work. But maybe someone thinks that it is moral to bomb plants with an unarmed population, and neighborhoods with the same population but sleeping are immoral? I advise these people to reconsider their moral principles. Any killing is not moral. Just when there is a war, morality fades into the background, otherwise the soldier will not be able to kill the enemy.
And more about morality. Here, many cheers-patriots constantly write about the destruction of Americans and the like, and even use them as the first nuclear weapons. Here it is our morality. If the Americans used nuclear weapons, then, in their opinion, this is immoral, and when they (cheers-patriots) urge them to do the same with the Americans, then this is moral. From the beginning, you will understand what morality is before you judge the immorality of others.
I ask you to take into account that I myself am a completely immoral person, and I can kill any other person without blinking an eye, even if he is not an enemy of my Motherland, I am so arranged that I won’t even regret it. And about America - I just hate it.

[kostavit]

1. All write correctly. 2. In Afghanistan, we could not meet? 3.Just hate - what does that mean? Such anger is felt ...

[Grim Reaper]

They said it right.

[kostavit]

Quote: meriem1

Nobody knows how it would be. At the very least, an ultimatum had to be put forward, and only that one would think about it, if at all one could think about it. This bombardment is a public humiliation of Japan and a transparent hint of the USSR. Bonding lives in the minds of the United States for a long time. The most unpleasant thing is that everyone sees this, but only Russia and, in some places, China say. Nasty ((((

On July 25, 1945, US President Truman, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and President of the Chinese National Government Chin Kai-shek set forth unconditional surrender conditions for Imperial Japan in the Podsdam Declaration. On July 28, the Japanese government rejected the requirements of the Potsdam Declaration. On August 8, the USSR joined the Potsdam Declaration and declared Japan the war.

[Military Builder]

Quote: aszzz888

they not only practically assembled the third bomb, but also planned to make another 12

Do they know about this in Japan?
And if they do, then judging by their "quirks", they have completely forgotten.
To refresh their memory ...

Yes, you won’t refresh, Japanese history textbooks already write vaguely that the atomic bombing was carried out by the Allied forces, i.e. it’s no longer clear whose exactly: American, English or Soviet