Gazprom filed a lawsuit against Naftogaz Ukrainy in the amount of almost 30 billion dollars

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The management of PJSC Gazprom filed a lawsuit against NAK Naftogaz Ukrainy with international arbitration (Stockholm) for financial damages in the amount of 29,2 billion US dollars. In the message press service Russian company says:

12 June 2015, Gazprom submitted to arbitration a response to the claim of Naftogaz of Ukraine and counterclaimin which he clarified the total amount of his claims: 29,2 billion dollars


Gazprom filed a lawsuit against Naftogaz Ukrainy in the amount of almost 30 billion dollars


Gazprom presented a debt calculation in the following form: more than $ 2,6 billion - debts for gas supplies in 2013-2014 years and accrued penalties; another $ 200 million. Gazprom is demanding gas supplies to Donbas in 2014-2015. The remaining funds are outstanding debts and accumulated fines for the period from 2012 to 2013, taking into account Gazprom’s claims against Naftogaz.

At the same time, Gazprom, in its report for the first quarter of 2015, reports that gas revenues increased by almost 2014 million rubles compared to the same period of 90, however, the profit from sales of blue fuel decreased due to the growth in operating expenses.

In Ukraine, Gazprom’s financial claims on Naftogaz, which is not going to pay off a huge debt, have caused a really strong reaction.
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  1. +23
    August 14 2015
    Gazprom will wait for a long time by the sea
    1. +26
      August 14 2015
      I already thought and this will not happen. I think Gazprom has no problems with lawyers, unlike the ruins)

      So everything may well be

      1. +3
        August 14 2015
        Gazprom presented a debt calculation in the following form: more than $ 2,6 billion - arrears for gas supplies in 2013-2014 and late fees; another $ 200 million. Gazprom demands for gas supplies to Donbass in 2014-2015. The remaining funds are outstanding debts and accumulated fines for the period from 2012 to 2013.

        Well, somehow I don’t count 29,2 billion dollars. Maybe I think it is wrong?
        Yeah! Someone put a minus - apparently considers it better than me! laughing
        1. +8
          August 14 2015
          ... caused a really violent reaction.

          There will be something to build a wall from. And even the stoves for the winter will remain.
          1. +29
            August 14 2015
            There is a joke:
            An alcoholic wakes up from a hangover and asks a passerby:
            - Where I am?
            - st. Mayakovsky!
            “To hell with the details!” Which city? What country?
            (I don’t remember exactly, but the essence of my comment is not that!)

            This I mean, how many people counted (to hell with details)!
            The main thing is that ours filed and recorded a lawsuit against these arrogant parasites!
            1. +7
              August 14 2015
              Quote: Baikonur
              how many people counted (to hell with the details)!
              The main thing is that ours filed and recorded a lawsuit against these arrogant parasites!

              And the fact that they require a fee for the Donbass-so let the Ukrainians try in court to prove that they should not for this territory! This is the same Ukraine. Or maybe not them? That will be a laugh lol
        2. +11
          August 14 2015
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Well, somehow I don’t count 29,2 billion dollars. Maybe I think it is wrong?

          from the article: The remaining funds are outstanding debts and accumulated fines for the period from 2012 to 2013.

          .. as far as I understand the main amount here and just not painted .. hi .. we will see .. hi
          1. 0
            August 15 2015
            Most likely here included the entire shortage of gas on the principle of ordered-pay. And deflate or not, no one cares.
        3. The comment was deleted.
        4. +16
          August 14 2015
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Well, somehow I don’t count 29,2 billion dollars. Maybe I think it is wrong?

          YES BECAUSE THE VELARGE ARTICLE IS A CONTINUOUS FOLLOWING OF THE FACTS - GAZPROM DOES NOT HAVE ONE SUIT, BUT SEVERAL AND THIS AMOUNT IS IN GENERAL THE AMOUNT OF SUITABLE SUIT !!!!
          Author - post full articles, then the people will not be able to tell how 3 billion per year turns into 29 billion
          Gazprom in June filed a clarified claim against Naftogaz Ukrainy with the Stockholm Arbitrationand the amount is $ 29,2 billion, follows from the company's reporting. “The decision by the arbitrators is planned at the end of June 2016. On June 12, 2015 PJSC "Gazprom" submitted to arbitration a response to the claim of NJSC "Naftogaz of Ukraine" a statement of claim, in which it clarified the total amount of its claims: $ 29,2 billion, "the statement says.

          It is also reported that the debt of Naftogaz of Ukraine to Gazprom for gas supplies to the southeast of Ukraine amounted to $ 217 million. “In 2015, debt amounted to about $ 217 million for gas supplies to the southeast of Ukraine,” the report said.

          Recall that on June 25, the adviser to the chairman of the board of Naftogaz Ukrainy, Sergey Oleksienko, said that Ukraine would sue Russia in the Stockholm arbitration court because of a gas transit rate that the Ukrainian side considers to be underestimated. The Stockholm Chamber of Commerce Arbitration Institute is already considering a number of counterclaims from Gazprom and Naftogaz. In late May, Kiev overestimated the amount of its claims for transit, as a result, the total amount of claims against Gazprom exceeded $ 16 billion. The level of claims of the Russian side in May approached $ 30 billion.
          Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2788094
          1. +2
            August 14 2015
            hi Taking off my hat!
          2. 0
            August 14 2015
            dill and transit want to get a lot. and do not pay debts. so dill. wassat
        5. +4
          August 14 2015
          The only thing left is to win the lawsuit and get money from Ukraine.
        6. +4
          August 14 2015
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Well, somehow I don’t count 29,2 billion dollars. Maybe I think it is wrong?

          They have long been on the counter. laughing
        7. FID
          +1
          August 14 2015
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          The remaining funds are outstanding debts and accumulated fines for the period from 2012 to 2013.

          In this phrase - EVERYTHING ....
          1. +2
            August 14 2015
            Quote: SSI
            In this phrase - EVERYTHING ....

            What all? Unpaid debts and accumulated fines for the period from 2012 to 2013 - that is, more than 20 billion has come in two years? Now, if there was a comma before "and", it would be your way.
            It was necessary to start the article with the fact that Ukraine had outstanding debts and indicate their amount. Moreover, this amount is the most significant, and not 2,9 billion, with which the narrative began.
        8. +1
          August 14 2015
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Well, somehow I don’t count $ 29,2 billion



          This is probably hidden at the bottom under the "remaining funds" ... Well, what penalties should you run over if you haven't paid for 2012-2013 ???

          I don’t remember, but they sued us for what amount ???

          PS Filing a lawsuit against Ukraine is like making a poultice to a dead ...
        9. 0
          August 14 2015
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Well, somehow I don’t count 29,2 billion dollars. Maybe I think it is wrong?

          laughing written zhezh "the rest of the funds - outstanding debts and fines ..." But then of course Nashtogaz will blame Yanukovych.
        10. 0
          August 14 2015
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Well, somehow I don’t count 29,2 billion dollars. Maybe I think it is wrong?

          And what number did you put into your calculator under the item "The remaining funds are outstanding debts and accumulated fines for the period from 2012 to 2013."
      2. +6
        August 14 2015
        Well here is the new circus for us nafto and gas who will win whose roof is cooler laughing
        1. +7
          August 14 2015
          If Ukraine has such a debt, then why should Gazprom supply gas. Or will they try to beat out through the court? It is unlikely to succeed, given to whom these courts are subordinate.
          1. +1
            August 14 2015
            Quote: aleks_29296
            If Ukraine has such a debt, then why should Gazprom supply gas.



            And what year in a row do we ask this question, to which no one answers us, ???
        2. +1
          August 16 2015
          Nafto is cooler, the whole gang of a. Mers with ESniki in addition, who will give Gazprom that win? Even if they win, getting 404 from the country is an Orruel utopia.
      3. +1
        August 14 2015
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        So everything may well be

        Of course, the European court will take and award in favor of Gazprom lol
        1. +2
          August 14 2015
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Of course, the European court will take and award in favor of Gazprom

          Sanya, will end in zeros or with penny compensation.
          Well this is understandable, well, like
          Rumors that France will transfer to Russia for two undelivered helicopter carriers Mistral less than one billion euros have been confirmed. Paris commented on the situation after the French satirical newspaper Canard enchaine wrote that Moscow would receive more than 2 billion euros for ships.

          French Finance Minister Michel Sapin said in an interview with France Inter that the compensation for the helicopter carriers will be less than 1 billion euros. "You ask me if it will be two billion. I tell you that no ... these figures will be less than one billion," the head of the department said

          Further returning to the article, it’s clear that the patriot laid it out uncomfortably, he no longer needs to keep people for suckers, he writes
          At the same time, Gazprom in its report for the first quarter of 2015 reports that gas sales revenue increased compared to the same period of 2014 almost 90 million rublesHowever, due to growth in operating expenses, profit from the sale of blue fuel decreased.

          those how much loss in dollars?
          Something he somehow casually mentioned about operational and other losses?
          But in fact, the picture is full of arctic fox
          From October 2014 to February 2015, Gazprom delivered 63,4 billion cubic meters to Europe. m of gas, which is 21,25 billion cubic meters. m less than in September 2013 - February 2014. According to Interfax with reference to the quarterly report of the gas monopolist, the loss of Gazprom in the form of lost revenue and fines for short delivery may amount to about $ 6 billion.

          Gazprom spent 2,4 trillion rubles on unclaimed projects

          full article
          http://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2015/07/29/602559-gazprom-potratil-24-
          trln-rub-na-nevostrebovannie-proekti
          read, and learn very interesting things, how many grandmas Gazprom buried - and that's exactly hundreds of billions
        2. -5
          August 14 2015
          Do you know that
          The power of Siberia is frozen (and will not start - China refused to finance)
          South Stream .Gazprom "spent 56 billion rubles. for the purchase of shares in the project from foreign partners. Pipes worth 2 billion euros (130 billion rubles) have already been ordered and partially shipped for the gas pipeline. The construction of an alternative Turkish Stream has also stalled. The contract with the contractor - Italian Saipem, which now requires a penalty, is terminated. “According to Saipem's reporting, in 2014 she received 495 million euros (32,2 billion rubles) from South Stream Transport, and in the first quarter of 2015, another 300 million euros (19,5 billion rubles). The report for the II quarter will show the same amount, and for the III quarter - the fee for the early termination of the contract, ”says Director of East European Gas Analysis Mikhail Korchemkin.

          Gazprom in early July also stopped the construction of the Southern Corridor gas pipeline system, through which gas was supposed to enter the Turkish Stream, including from the Bovanenkovo-Ukhta pipe. About 715 billion rubles have already been spent on the Southern Corridor, whose total price is 300 billion rubles. Miller promised to redirect gas from Yamal to China via the Altai gas pipeline, the contract was expected in mid-2015, but now this issue is being postponed, China is reviewing the energy balance

          2011 Gazprom launched the Sakhalin-Khabarovsk-Vladivostok gas pipeline up to 30 billion cubic meters m and worth 467 billion rubles. Gazprom supplies the region with gas through this pipe; deliveries do not exceed 6 billion cubic meters. It was planned to deliver gas to China from the Sakhalin-3 project or to the Vladivostok LNG plant. But they have already abandoned the construction of the plant, and Sakhalin-3 gas was decided to be sent to expand the LNG plant operating on the island. That is, now the gas pipeline may not be needed, noted Korchemkin.

          and of course. the notorious Slate Revolution - about 3-4 years old, all the mess from Miller to Putin - convinced the Russians that this was bullshit and a divorce
          And now the question is, who divorced whom?
          Due to the shale revolution, Gazprom had to postpone the development of the Shtokman field, two platforms were built for its development for 59 billion rubles, and now Gazprom is going to write off the 22,3 billion rubles for the project. loss.
          1. +2
            August 14 2015
            Quote: atalef
            2011 Gazprom launched the Sakhalin-Khabarovsk-Vladivostok gas pipeline with a capacity of up to 30 billion cubic meters. m and worth 467 billion rubles. Through this pipe, Gazprom supplies gas to the region, deliveries do not exceed 6 billion cubic meters. It was planned to deliver gas to China from the Sakhalin-3 project or to the Vladivostok LNG plant. But they have already abandoned the construction of the plant, and it was decided to direct Sakhalin-3 gas to expand the LNG plant operating on the island. That is, now the gas pipeline may not be needed, noted Korchemkin.

            Sanya, it’s complete bullshit, only today Roma threw this chip. And what does 2011 have to do with it, for the past days
          2. +11
            August 14 2015
            Quote: atalef
            Do you know that
            The power of Siberia is frozen

            Where does this misinformation come from? .. Only the other day I had a chance to talk with a person related to the implementation of the project, and certainly there is no talk at all about freezing Power of Siberia. Gazprom has lowered the cost of the tender for the construction of a section of the gas pipeline about 100 km long, offering the contractor not the requested 16 billion rubles, but about 9 billion. Where is the "freeze", and who told you that "China refused to finance" - TK Dozhd or CNN together with the 9th TK of Israel? Why produce fakes taken from the ceiling?
            1. -6
              August 14 2015
              Quote: Volodin
              Where does this disinformation come from?

              http://gazoprovod-sila-sibiri.ru/sila-sibiri-budet-zamorozhena-a-silu-sibiri-2-l
              ikvidirovana /
              1. +9
                August 14 2015
                Do you seriously think this is a reputable source? And so authoritative that it is more authoritative than the official website of Gazprom? ..

                Just one "header" to the article presented at your link with a wagon of spelling and syntax errors, it is clear that this is a branchy cranberry. And this is generally a pearl (from the same article):

                Information is contradictory everywhere, which means that while there is no believing

                meaning, but wait and see what is really true.
                1. +4
                  August 14 2015
                  The site given by atalef is at least very suspicious, but most likely "leftist".
                  1. +1
                    August 14 2015
                    Absolutely, just punch it on who.is
                    http://prntscr.com/84nrij
              2. 0
                August 14 2015
                A very authoritative source ...
                http://prntscr.com/84nrij
          3. +4
            August 14 2015
            Quote: atalef
            The power of Siberia is frozen (and will not start - China refused to finance)

            And where does China? This project was generally for domestic consumption, and not much for LNG for export.
            I recommend to see the project map. If this gas pipeline was originally planned for China, it would be easier to drop a pipe directly through Skovorodino, it’s only 65 km, and not to build further. And so the hub was already planned in Blagoveshchensk, and the pipe right up to Vladik. It is clear that for a mad dog, 7 miles is not a hook, but not the same.
            A card to help, Karoch. wink
            So something's sinking the tail, then the head. lol
            And in general it’s interesting to look at the sources of your information, it smacks of something No.
            1. -1
              August 14 2015
              Quote: Landwarrior
              This project was generally for domestic consumption, and not much for LNG for export.

              Delete your comments yourself. Just a tip hi
              1. +4
                August 14 2015
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Delete your comments yourself.

                And what, my opinion is at odds with the "party line"? laughing
                No, whoever - let them want to be deleted, they want to-get banned, they want to, they fill up with minuses .... And I'm too lazy.
            2. +1
              August 14 2015
              Quote: Landwarrior
              And where does China? This project was generally for domestic consumption, and not much for LNG for export.

              belay
              Quote: Landwarrior
              If this gas pipeline was originally planned for China

              belay
          4. 0
            August 15 2015
            Quote: atalef
            and of course. the notorious Slate Revolution - about 3-4 years old, all the mess from Miller to Putin - convinced the Russians that this was bullshit and a divorce

            At an oil price of 60 cu, shale production is unprofitable
          5. 0
            August 16 2015
            Quote: atalef
            Do you know that
            The power of Siberia is frozen (and will not start - China refused to finance)

            Kind of not completely frozen. They are pulling some kind of branch. But China refused to expand gas purchases. Therefore, Power of Siberia will not be fully completed, and there will be no pipes from Altai at all.
            And also the question of what will happen to Turkey, the Turkish Stream is frozen until the beginning of 2016 due to the increased demands of the Turks.
            By the way, I have never seen a sensible answer from the Hurray-Putriots to the long-standing question: "Why is Turkey better than Ukraine - is it exactly the same transit country?" It was asked back when the Ura-Putriots rejoiced and screamed like on the Maidan that instead of "South Stream" only a memorandum of intent was signed on "Turkish Stream".
        3. 0
          August 15 2015
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          Of course, the European court will take and award in favor of Gazprom lol

          Which court? In favor of which Gazprom?
          Here, no one even paid attention to what Gazprom decided to file. counter claim.
          Gazprom will file a counterclaim in the Stockholm arbitration if Naftogaz of Ukraine files its claim against the Russian company, Interfax writes.

          As the head of Gazprom, Alexei Miller, said, answering the question of what Gazprom will do if Ukraine goes to the Stockholm court, he said: "Win. Gazprom will file a counterclaim to the Stockholm arbitration."


          Those. if Naftogaz hadn’t filed a lawsuit, would Gazprom not bother returning more than $ 29 billion?
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      5. +1
        August 14 2015
        Quote: c-Petrov
        I already thought and this will not happen. I think Gazprom has no problems with lawyers, unlike the ruins)

        So everything may well be

        Gazprom has no problems at all, since it allows you to make such debts? It reminds you of some kind of game behind our backs, we are not dedicated to this, they simply inform us.
        With whom is Gazprom traded and what, for what kind of business is it tied up in Ukraine once such discounts .........
      6. +1
        August 14 2015
        There are such lawyers that, according to the results of Gazprom, it still should remain, it is enough to read about the Yukos case.
    2. -9
      August 14 2015
      Quote: maximNNX
      Gazprom will wait for a long time by the sea

      Now it’s clear how Gazprom calculates, it’s interesting how, the debt of 2.6 lard + 200 Lemons in two years (including pennies and fines) turned into 29 billion?
      1. 0
        August 14 2015
        Do not plagiarize! See my comment above. request laughing
        I'm afraid the article will be removed now. smile
      2. -1
        August 14 2015
        Quote: atalef
        it’s interesting how, a debt of 2.6 lard + 200 Lemons, in two years (even considering pennies and fines) turned into 29 billion?


        Most likely zhurnalyugi a comma not put there.
        1. +5
          August 14 2015
          The remaining funds are outstanding debts and accumulated fines for the period from 2012 to 2013.

          I’m looking straight at reading everyone. Accountants laughing

        2. +2
          August 14 2015
          Quote: aleks_29296
          Most likely zhurnalyugi a comma not put there.

          No, the amount of 29bn is accurate. it simply collapses from other indicators, just as it is not written that this is a counterclaim (and what counterclaims everyone knows) - as Naftogaz filed a lawsuit against Gazprom with a claim of 16 billion a year ago.
          Articles of this level should not be in VO. negative
      3. 0
        August 14 2015
        Read carefully: Gazprom demands gas supplies to Donbass in 2014-2015. The remaining funds are outstanding debts and accumulated fines for the period from 2012 to 2013. There are no numbers, but here all the money
        1. +3
          August 14 2015
          Quote: woron333444
          Read carefully: Gazprom demands gas supplies to Donbass in 2014-2015

          And how does he (Gazprom) supply gas to the Donbass? Through Naftogaz networks or bypassing?
          Quote: woron333444
          There are no numbers

          And what a pity about what sum is it?
          maybe nobody will pay for it, which will tell me (or rather I know) that gas goes to Donbass through the old unreserved pipeline, bypassing Naftogaz and without agreement with it.
          And now, what legal justification does Gazprom want to bring under it?
          Andrey Kobolev, the head of the board of the Ukrainian company Naftogaz, claims that the supply of gas by Russian Gazprom to the republics in the Donbass is illegal.

          According to Kobolev, it is impossible to record gas deliveries to the Donbass because of hostilities, but if there is a supply, it is necessary to somehow study the situation, if necessary, to carry out some investigative actions.

          In addition, the head of Gazprom said that Ukraine itself is able to supply gas to the Donbass, however, the republic’s authorities do not agree to conduct any negotiations on this issue.

          http://news-front.info/2015/07/04/ukrainskij-naftogaz-obvinil-gazprom-v-nezakonn
          osti-postavok-gaza-na-donbass /
          Well, and what is the prospect of this part of the lawsuit? ZERO
    3. 0
      August 14 2015
      Gazprom will not receive anything from Ukraine. He will take this money from the Russians.
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    5. 0
      August 14 2015
      Quote: maximNNX
      Gazprom will wait for a long time by the sea

      The main precedent, and in the light of recent changes in policy, may be awarded to Ukraine to pay. Gazprom, I think, approached the claim more thoroughly than Svidomo. He has more facts and figures, and most importantly, this is not sucked from the finger. Svidomye wanted a different relationship, get
    6. +3
      August 14 2015
      here the main thing, oddly enough, is not money, but the DECISION OF THE COURT itself, in order to justify to them their position on all kinds of arrests of Russian property abroad and other nasty things by the Americans.
    7. +1
      August 14 2015
      Wait, not build, and let the Ruin wait for gas, especially when in winter in Khokhloreikh it will be -35!
    8. 0
      August 14 2015
      If there is such a debt, it’s time to close the valve, and not negotiate gas supplies to Ukraine, as Ostap Bender said in the morning money in the evening chairs. They don’t pay anything anyway.
  2. +2
    August 14 2015
    Well, they don’t want to pay a good price, let it be in court ...
    1. +2
      August 14 2015
      Quote: Volka
      Well, they don’t want to pay a good price, let it be in court ...

      And the court will not pay too. How much money? If only a couple of regions will repay the debt.
      1. +1
        August 14 2015
        Quote: Penetrator
        And the court will not pay too. How much money? If only a couple of regions will repay the debt.

        Maybe in kind, at least something, and they feel good and pleased, on this we will part the world.
  3. +8
    August 14 2015
    Tell me, Ukraine, a favorite of debt,
    What will you do with Naftogaz?
    And soon, to the joy of neighbors - enemies
    Will you sell your GTS at once?
  4. +2
    August 14 2015
    For a long time they need to block the pipe!
    It would be better if the gas was given to the Russians for free. We’ll get a damn hole from the dill!
    1. Tor5
      +1
      August 14 2015
      So they don't even know the word "give" they only know "give-give-give!"
  5. +1
    August 14 2015
    So it’s necessary, according to the patient, the wallet. Only in this way they will throw Ukraine like a suitcase without a handle
  6. BAT
    0
    August 14 2015
    Gosha!!! This is a must !!! Well, they will never give him up in life. Even if they agree to give. What I very deeply doubt. They are great UKRs - they all owe them.
  7. +4
    August 14 2015
    It's time to bet on the outcome of this arbitration. On the one hand, the rules of commercial law, on the other, the political environment. What will outweigh the scales of Themis? In any case, the process has begun. So, "we smile and wave")))) to our Ukrainian "partners".
  8. +17
    August 14 2015
    In Ukraine, Gazprom’s financial claims on Naftogaz, which is not going to pay off a huge debt, have caused a really strong reaction.
  9. +4
    August 14 2015
    Great application. Everyone should know that any 404th handout will automatically transfer to Gazprom. Yes, their toad will strangle, as it is, pay to Russia ... In general, one of the nails, is it the last? ...
  10. +1
    August 14 2015
    In Ukraine, Gazprom’s financial claims on Naftogaz, which is not going to pay off a huge debt, have caused a really strong reaction.
    but how else? well, on the contrary, we owe them a couple of trillions, and gas should generally belong to Bandera
  11. 0
    August 14 2015
    In Ukraine, Gazprom’s financial claims on Naftogaz, which is not going to pay off a huge debt, have caused a really strong reaction.

    These claims would also be supported by a reduction in gas supplies to Svidomo.
    1. KAV
      0
      August 14 2015
      What for? Gas is supplied - debts are accumulating. Sooner or later, but will have to give.
  12. +12
    August 14 2015
    So the "Sanctions on Special Conditions" begin ... The conditions are recourse a CONDITION. request But the REALITY is UNKNOWN:
  13. +1
    August 14 2015
    We will see how this ends. That the lawsuit was filed is correct. And then Russia is so upset against us. We will wait for the decision of the arbitration court.
  14. 0
    August 14 2015
    Gazprom will not get a penny. Stockholm will play 100% against RUSSIA, and the 404 country is also not eager to get away with money that they don’t have.
  15. 0
    August 14 2015
    Yeah, but Yatsynyuk, by the way, was also planning to help the ENERGY SYSTEM of Poland !!!
  16. 0
    August 14 2015
    Considering their brazen shameless faces, neither electricity, nor gas, nor coal on credit, and even more so for free, do not need to be given, "money in the morning, chairs in the evening", that's the only way. There is no trust. Let the West and the United States supply Banderia.
  17. 0
    August 14 2015
    In Ukraine, Gazprom’s financial claims on Naftogaz, which is not going to pay off a huge debt, have caused a really strong reaction.


    We will wait for the stormy erection of the authorities of Ukraine to gush, then we will hear new pearls.
  18. 0
    August 14 2015
    For a long time it was necessary to do this, but here's the trouble, "political considerations" interfered. That is how the fascists were fed. So many loans were issued to Ukraine that if you calculate it better, the claim amount could greatly increase. Ukraine has nothing to pay, it must be bankrupt. As compensation. demand "kemsku volos" - Odessa region and the Black Sea coast together with Transnistria and the northern coast of the Azov Sea, which will allow building a land road to Crimea. After that, you can build new relations with an independent state. star on the shoulder straps, which is to be expected.
  19. +1
    August 14 2015
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: aleks_29296
    Most likely zhurnalyugi a comma not put there.

    No, the amount of 29bn is accurate. it simply collapses from other indicators, just as it is not written that this is a counterclaim (and what counterclaims everyone knows) - as Naftogaz filed a lawsuit against Gazprom with a claim of 16 billion a year ago.
    Articles of this level should not be in VO. negative

    For the "especially gifted" - $ 29B is the amount of Gazprom's counterclaim against the claim against "Ukrchegotot" for $ 16B
    $ 28B came from the take-and-pay gas supply agreement scheme. Under this scheme, Ukraine had to purchase gas in the amount of at least a certain amount. If she actually purchased gas less than the specified minimum, she absolutely must pay an amount equal to the minimum volume.
    Over the years Ukraine has purchased less than the minimum gas and paid only for the actual volume. It is from her that they demand to pay the "shortfall". Legally, Ukraine has no chance of challenging this.
    Ukraine is trying to challenge the cost of gas and return the "overpayment", but this is a very controversial issue.
  20. 0
    August 14 2015
    Got ridden!) Maybe 30 lard and will not give, but the suit is indicative. The fawning is over.
    1. +3
      August 14 2015
      In fact, the current regime in Ukraine, "nourished and trained" by the United States and Israel, must be "crushed" by all possible means, and the time is now convenient winter is not far off, and Europe will need gas and must use it 100%.
      But what the "Power of Siberia" allegedly covered up, I would say is not entirely true.
      At a rapid pace, the Power of Siberia is being built

  21. +3
    August 14 2015
    Ukropatriotov was bombed in full probably after such sad news))) the server probably crashed from the censor from the censor.
    1. 0
      August 14 2015
      Ett-for sure))) I can imagine what kind of debate there is now)))) I’ll go and look ... horror how interesting))
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    3. 0
      January 11 2020
      It would have been bombed if it had been satisfied in full and Ukraine would have paid those $ 29,2 billion. And so ...
  22. 0
    August 14 2015
    The amount is not weak !!! According to the Mistrals, the news came "The amount of payment by France for terminating the contract with Russia for the supply of two Mistral-class helicopter carriers will be less than one billion euros, French Finance Minister Michel Sapin said on Friday" RIA Novosti.

    So all the same, the penalty was still shaken, but we were really upset :)
    1. +2
      August 14 2015
      About gas for Dombass, which supposedly goes past gas pressure stations pumping gas to Ukraine:

      And while Ukraine has not officially abandoned the Lugansk and Donetsk regions or has not declared that they are occupied (by another country), these regions are part of Ukraine and Ukraine MUST supply gas, electricity, water, pay pensions and other social benefits.
      1. +2
        August 14 2015
        And personally, my opinion is now that everything possible should be done to "destroy" Ukraine and form New Russia and Ukraine itself, which will include the western regions of this country and possibly some central ones.
        New Russia will eventually become part of Russia as well as the Crimea, we are waiting for it.
        1. +2
          August 14 2015
          About RBC, Dozhdi and other liars, which are so fond of referring to the citizens of Israel and figures from our "fifth column".
    2. 0
      January 11 2020
      The amount is not weak, but what in the end is something?
  23. 0
    August 14 2015
    This whole story smells very bad, they don’t pay like that and shut off the gas for them, because they shut off their citizens instantly! And they will begin to steal, offer the EU to buy and receive gas on the Russian border, or let them pay for banderlog! The market and the seller always dictate the price, but not the buyer!
  24. +1
    August 14 2015
    Gazprom demands for gas supplies to Donbass in 2014-2015.

    Gambit!
    Either you recognize Donbass as your territory and pay grandmothers, or declare it a "Free" territory! laughing
  25. 0
    August 14 2015
    All my thoughts were expressed by the previous "speakers", it remains only to exhibit the plus signs! fellow
  26. 0
    August 14 2015
    That is, you can’t simply disconnect the debtor.
    1. 0
      January 11 2020
      So how to disconnect if Ukraine itself has stopped buying gas.
  27. +3
    August 14 2015
    As repeatedly written in various sources, Europeans absolutely do not understand Russian. Especially they do not understand all justice, conscience and honor there, since all these concepts are completely alien to them. But what they understand very well is debt! There was an article right there on the site - the German’s bewilderment about why you Russians don’t explain that Ukrainians owe you a lot of money ?!
    In general, winning arbitration, you can directly go to the carpet bombing. And no one, no one at all except the Americans, even rumbles. Yes, and the Americans will yap sluggishly and with caution. Not even a speech will come about any sanctions, nor about any repressions ... Because debt is HOLY! For Westerners, this is the basis of the foundations.
    So do a bit of cooking, and you can slowly prepare loops for hanging all these heroes of the ATO. If you ask yourself a question, is it only perhaps to hang Poroshenko and the priors on a rope or on a spring wire?
  28. 0
    August 14 2015
    Hello everyone, and stop biting from scratch! You simply do not know. I will explain to you all. A gas pipeline to China is planned and will be built in Western Siberia. Nobody even talks about Ukraine as a hopeless partner ... I won’t show a point on the map where the pipe will go from (VHC will not give (corporate protection service) and the FSB), but the trains arrive every day and take it easy on this topic. It’s better to discuss what kind of pension your heads of republics and territories compare with your average
    !
    1. 0
      August 16 2015
      At current gas prices, your Chinese gas pipeline is obviously unprofitable. And 38 mld. cubes - not 150 mld. cubes to Europe
      1. 0
        August 16 2015
        Quote: kuz363
        At current gas prices, your Chinese gas pipeline is obviously unprofitable. And 38 mld. cubes - not 150 mld. cubes to Europe

        For whom is it unprofitable? For the country or for gas pipeline builders?
      2. 0
        August 16 2015
        Quote: kuz363
        At current gas prices, your Chinese gas pipeline is obviously unprofitable. And 38 mld. cubes - not 150 mld. cubes to Europe

        For whom is it unprofitable? For the country or for gas pipeline builders?
  29. +2
    August 14 2015
    and he is naive looking for the storm fellow as if in a storm there is peace. it was not necessary to give gas from the belly. and don’t know the money like your ears request .there were given away inside the country by potbelly stoves fool people drown.
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  31. 0
    August 15 2015
    let them pay!
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  33. +1
    August 15 2015
    Quote: veksha50

    PS Filing a lawsuit against Ukraine is like making a poultice to a dead ...


    "This should not be dead, it should be alive" Although - who should be considered "alive" if "corpse" poison
    just through dollars and spread?
  34. 0
    August 16 2015
    "In" Gazprom "presented the calculation of the debt in the following form: more than $ 2,6 billion - debt for gas supplies in 2013-2014" Minus article. A lawsuit was filed for this debt a year ago. It is unclear why he is again included in the second statement of claim. And the lawsuits for the shortage of gas by Ukraine are also dubious, because Gazprom also did not fulfill the minimum transit volumes of gas pumped to Europe. The principle - take or pay even in the best times of relations with the EU - was successfully contested by the Balts and other countries through arbitration. So this claim is dubious. And since Ukraine does not have such money, the results of the trial will be purely formal, even if they are positive, which is doubtful.
  35. 0
    August 17 2015
    Quote: Volodin
    Where does this misinformation come from? .. Only the other day I had a chance to talk with a person related to the implementation of the project, and certainly there is no talk at all about freezing Power of Siberia.

    He has such a hobby, apparently. He runs around the forum and throws in deliberately false texts. Why - it’s not clear, in the age of the Internet a very strange activity.
    Confuses fragile minds, or is it “informationally liberating” itself? : D
  36. 0
    January 11 2020
    To summarize, it’s quite interesting to see how far the experts were far from reality. Not only $ 29,2 billion were Gazprom lawyers seized from Ukraine, but they also paid 3 billion dollars of the fine to Ukraine, and they also extended the transit contract for 5 years, there it was. And what kind of comments were, it’s kindly expensive to see.

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