Dutch "specialists" in the second year of the investigation found an "important find" at the crash site of a Boeing near Donetsk

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It never ceases to amaze the Netherlands Prosecutor General’s Office, which participated in the investigation of the causes of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing, which followed 17 last July with the flight Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur. More than a year has passed since the tragedy, and Dutch prosecutors just today announced that "an important find was made at the crash site." 9 th channel of Israel with reference to sources in the prosecutor's office of the Netherlands reports that the "discovery" allegedly is a fragment of the rocket complex "Buk".

Dutch "specialists" in the second year of the investigation found an "important find" at the crash site of a Boeing near Donetsk


The message of the main prosecutor's office of the Netherlands:
These fragments are of great interest for the investigation of a criminal case, since they can shed light on many things and give more information about who is involved in the death of MH17.


However, Dutch prosecutors immediately added:
However, it is not yet possible to reliably assert that there is a connection between these fragments and the ship’s accident.


Based on this information, one can say that another year will pass, and so many things can be found at the crash site that “can shed light on the causes of the crash” ... It remains to be seen how many more years and fragments the investigation commission needs to bring work to a logical conclusion?

By the way, the statements of the Dutch Chief Prosecutor’s Office that “it is impossible to reliably assert that there is a connection between debris and catastrophe,” once again speak of the complete absurdity of the idea of ​​creating an international tribunal in such conditions.
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  1. +51
    11 August 2015 17: 23
    And naturally, this is a fragment of a Russian rocket, right? wink Did Putin personally give the launch command? And Ruin has already presented new evidence:
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      1. +25
        11 August 2015 17: 37
        Moreover, the State Department of evidence only from social networks and sites and recognizes ... lol
        1. +16
          11 August 2015 18: 09
          Quote: razzhivin
          Moreover, the State Department of evidence only from social networks and sites and recognizes ... lol

          .. it doesn’t work anymore .. now there will be cuts from action movies .. like "Red Heat" .. laughing .. and, in general, you will not envy the hicks .. still the Estonians will roll out a note of protest, because they are the "fastest" .. and then some Dutch thought for a year .. laughing
          1. +5
            11 August 2015 23: 02
            And the pioneer Vova killed Kennedy from a slingshot as a child !!!


            "A worm! A wet worm !!!"

            Bagheera.
          2. 0
            13 August 2015 21: 46
            Quote: Inok10
            Quote: razzhivin
            Moreover, the State Department of evidence only from social networks and sites and recognizes ... lol

            .. it doesn’t work anymore .. now there will be cuts from action movies .. like "Red Heat" .. laughing .. and, in general, you will not envy the hicks .. still the Estonians will roll out a note of protest, because they are the "fastest" .. and then some Dutch thought for a year .. laughing

            From computer games, slices they have already tried to pass off as evidence.
        2. +2
          11 August 2015 19: 58
          SchA they will score a joint there more zaboristye and they will have there and the wreckage from the "Buk" and a lot of interesting, colorful and funny ... up to the impact on the plane of the power of thought of humanoids from the alpha-centauri. Golimatya, yes, and complete, but in essence and informational load is not much different from the information of the Dutch.
          1. +14
            11 August 2015 20: 54
            Laughter through tears. Where the world is heading. if "independent" international institutions are rigging. It's funny for us here. and the problem is much more serious. After all, if international law loses its credibility, if neutral people are not shaking hands. The only 100% reasoned is the military. I don't want a war.
            1. +2
              11 August 2015 21: 17
              Quote: Muadipus
              After all, if international law loses credibility

              Yes, that is right. Not voicedWHEN found these debris-really ONE YEAR LATER?! Strange message ...
          2. AVV
            0
            11 August 2015 22: 23
            The most interesting thing is that the chip with a yellow-blockade flag !!! And this already says something !!! With prints, Turchinov and Yatsenyuk !!! After the pigtail, however!
        3. +2
          11 August 2015 21: 53
          Well, if this, Dutch experts, then they are excusable. lol
        4. 0
          12 August 2015 06: 11
          You are strange people! And then you are not right, and so you are wrong! You would pay attention to the fact that they are now looking for evidence in social networks, and not from witnesses. They are slowly becoming humanists, philanthropists; because they are officially allowed to torture so as not to torment the people, not to mock them, not to hurt them (otherwise the progressive public will be indignant at their actions), the CIA, the State Department are trying to bring pain and suffering virtually on social networks (because they don’t do anything else not trained). Dashing trouble is the beginning, you see, they will someday be re-educated to such an extent that Greenpeace against their background will look like Al Qaeda.
        5. -1
          12 August 2015 10: 11
          Quote: razzhivin
          Moreover, the State Department of evidence only from social networks and sites and recognizes ... lol

          The State Department controls all this circus and adjusts plans during the performance. If Petya performs now or some other trick, the Dutch will find all the missing parts and present them.
          So with Russia, everything will depend on the successes of the Americans themselves, if they show a complete failure, then the Holodrans will have in their hands a fragment of a rocket signed by Putin himself!
        6. 0
          13 August 2015 13: 43
          Probably a piece of a rocket with the "Made in Russia" serial number and the personal signature of the president?
    2. +29
      11 August 2015 17: 32
      A year ago, nalivaichenko said so, we will find evidence that the Boeing was hit by a beech.
      I might have believed it if the eyewitnesses hadn’t said from the very beginning: there were two planes. And no one said that he had heard the noise from the launching rocket and saw an inversion trace from the launch of the rocket, although this should have been seen as a mini in a radius of one and a half to two tens of kilometers.
      1. +27
        11 August 2015 17: 49
        A year ago, nalivaichenko said so, we will find evidence that the Boeing was hit by a beech.

        Not a beech but a laptop ... Kiev ...
        1. +3
          11 August 2015 20: 31
          laughing laughing good supereeer ... LAPTOP ...
          FEYCOMETERS from the country FEYCOMETLAND
      2. +25
        11 August 2015 17: 54
        Quote: Balu
        A year ago, nalivaichenko said so, we will find evidence that the Boeing was hit by a beech.


        Shag ... They couldn’t find anything, since the rocket element ATRA,from which PUTIN shot down MN-17, I have wink ...

        EXCLUSIVELY FOR MILITARY REVIEW !


        (I regret that by the date of 11.08.15/XNUMX/XNUMX, on the camera, I did not turn on the clock display mode ... So to speak, for "precise alignment" ...)
        1. +6
          11 August 2015 18: 03
          Wow, now you will be required to be judged in Ruin and will begin to create a tribunal laughing
          1. +7
            11 August 2015 18: 23
            Hot Estonian guys, not too hurrying, as usual in a hurry, sharply come forward and leave far behind the stoned Dutch. Before our eyes, there is an epic change of European leaders in quick thinking: the Dutch, in the titanic struggle, capture the leader’s laurels from discouraged Estonians!
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            2. +3
              11 August 2015 19: 57
              Quote: Oprychnik
              ... in quick thinking: the Dutch, in a titanic struggle, seize the leader’s laurels from discouraged Estonians!

              Dutch "experts" in the second year of investigation discovered an "important find"
              Dutch "specialists" in the second year SMOKING found "important find" - lack of MIND!
        2. +4
          11 August 2015 19: 13
          Quote: Tanais
          an element of the ATGM rocket from which PUTIN shot down MN-17, I have

          Tanais, why are you so messy ?! belay Is it possible to expose yourself to such a risk ?! Shshas, ​​all the special services will hunt for you!
          laughing
          1. +4
            11 August 2015 20: 18
            Quote: avia1991
            Tanais, why are you so messy ?! Is it possible to expose yourself to such a risk ?! Shshas, ​​all the special services will hunt for you!

            Not yet born, that intelligence agency ...
        3. 0
          13 August 2015 12: 51
          EXCLUSIVELY FOR MILITARY REVIEW!

          So there on the back is written "To Berlin", "For Stalin" and Putin's signature with a fingerprint.)))
      3. -13
        11 August 2015 19: 17
        Quote: Balu
        Nalivaychenko said so back, we will find evidence that the Boeing was hit by a beech.

        And Almaz-Antey - confirmed it, or am I confusing something? More precisely, he said this 2 months ago
        Dplshe, but in general someone noticed that it was not said when it was found?
        The Dutch finished collecting evidence more than six months ago and everything was found back then (probably because the appropriate authorities) gave Almaz Antei such an unexpected press conference, and even contrary to the opinion of the TFR.
        On the eve of the report, the Dutch are slowly starting to share info.
        A normal technique, very common in investigative practice, to give a piece of information and see who jerks the most
        1. +9
          11 August 2015 20: 09
          Almaz Antey confirmed that the beech could not fly in from the militia if it was a beech. The beech, which went to the militias, is just rubbish and cannot be restored. In the interception of the conversation, Kalomoy’s helpers let one slip out: ... by air ... it didn’t work from the ground. hi
          1. -13
            11 August 2015 20: 28
            Quote: Balu
            Almaz Antey confirmed that the beech could not fly from the militia if it was a beech

            So the Dutch did not say that they were militias - they said that it was Buk (more precisely, they found the remains of a rocket) --- what is the difference with Almaz-Antey?
            Quote: Balu
            The beech that went to the militias is just rubbish and cannot be restored

            Has it already been submitted for examination?
            I think you are running ahead of the engine, the militias said they never had a Buk
            Quote: Balu
            In the interception of the conversation, Kalomoy’s helpers let one slip out: ... by air ... it didn’t work from the ground.

            Not at all ,
            The Boeing was shot down from the plane (Ukrainians), finished off by Buk, the plane was full of corpses, it was driven by Spanish dispatchers and there was someone there, plus an assistant to Kolomoisky, well, in addition, the version of the TFR, which has a state witness (passed the polygraph) - - and all versions of the TRUTH.
            1. +2
              11 August 2015 21: 45
              Has it already been submitted for examination?
              I think you are running ahead of the engine, the militias said they never had a Buk

              Beech went to the militias a few months before the Boeing. Dill turned it into trash that cannot be restored. Without ammunition.

              Not at all ,
              The Boeing was shot down from the plane (Ukrainians), finished off by Buk, the plane was full of corpses, it was driven by Spanish dispatchers and there was someone there, plus an assistant to Kolomoisky, well, in addition, the version of the TFR, which has a state witness (passed the polygraph) - - and all versions of the TRUTH.


              Banderlogs and macaques are bluffing, realizing that all the trump cards of the Russian Defense Ministry. I mean not only Nalyvaichenko and the Dutch, but also Build’s letter with airplanes, only the Union of Russian Engineers did not make out the date and did not compare a number of facts. At VO very quickly figured out that this is a fake.
              The Macaques from Fashington are trying to organize a tribunal to appoint Russia to blame and the militias. If you practiced judo or at least watch competitions, you need to understand what is happening. Soon there will be a decisive throw and a clear victory for the Russian Federation, despite the fussy body movements of macaques and banderlogs.
            2. -1
              12 August 2015 01: 33
              atalef go to an appointment with a psychiatrist) may be better.
            3. +2
              12 August 2015 02: 33
              Here you are again flirting, our ONLY-OBJECTIVE. Have you ever wondered why any message of this "investigation" is perceived exactly as it is perceived? You seem to be not a stupid person, you should see and understand everything. After all, in fact, all the examinations were carried out a long time ago, and the technical expert located the wreckage for a long time, everything is clear, but they cannot say it. And what is happening now is the level of J. Psaki, how to tie, unconnected ...
        2. 0
          11 August 2015 20: 57
          Twitching?
        3. -1
          11 August 2015 21: 38
          Well, that’s how Langdia twitched the most.
          And now what?
          1. +2
            12 August 2015 06: 11
            Quote: Signor Tomato
            Well, that’s how Langdia twitched the most.
            And now what?

            Nothing, there will be no tribunal, Russia imposed a veto.
            Poroshenko was lucky.
        4. -1
          12 August 2015 06: 37
          Almaz-Antey gives out information in the same way. It is clear to all the participants in this scam to the states, ukram, Europe where "the dog rummaged", but it is necessary to blame Russia, last year it was not possible to use it to unleash a global military conflict in Europe. But the episode must be finalized to the end, and only then start new provocations such as a "dirty" bomb, by the way, stuffing about the bomb has already gone into UkroSMI.
        5. 0
          13 August 2015 17: 24
          Hello. My personal opinion is that the Russian side has strong evidence of what happened and the West knows about it, but does not know how much this evidence is "categorical" and is afraid to fall face down in the dirt. The Russian side in every possible way "trolls" the West and looks, waiting for them to make a fatal mistake. Once again I will say that this is my opinion and I do not impose it on anyone. I draw this conclusion looking at the actions of the Western side. They have always created and are creating favorable conditions for their actions (lies, propaganda), but then they tried, but hesitated. It means that everything is not so smooth as they would like and there is something that can "categorically" refute their interpretation of events. The actions of the Dutch side are similar to a sapper passing through a mine (information) field, when any mistake can spoil your reputation once and for all.
      4. -1
        11 August 2015 19: 55
        Crested beech. MADE in USSR.
    3. +7
      11 August 2015 18: 17
      And they didn’t find Putin’s autograph with Shoigu’s fingerprints on this fragment?
      1. +2
        11 August 2015 20: 10
        vodolaz Did they not find Putin’s autograph with Shoigu’s fingerprints on this fragment?

        They are looking, they will probably find. bully
      2. 0
        11 August 2015 21: 06
        Quote: vodolaz
        And they didn’t find Putin’s autograph with Shoigu’s fingerprints on this fragment?

        Yes, no-o-her. Soon from the place of the alleged (Dutch, so what, that stoned, but coolly tolerant, the expert calculated everything exactly) of the missile launch (Moscow. Red Square), in the bushes (behind the mausoleum) they will find "chaotically scattered" (they left the crime scene in a hurry) officers' books of the GRU officers (commander of some VV Putin. What for the man?), as well as a secret notebook with a task encrypted with the help of Russian profanity. It took a year to decrypt. That's it. Nalyvaichenko and Parasyuk - "We told you! Damned maskals!", The USA and the EU, as well as other progressive countries (Baltic states, etc.) - "Here! Because of what the veto! We knew ..!" Hana, guys! Tribunal.
    4. +3
      11 August 2015 18: 29
      And the Israeli TV channel was the first to report this.
      Again, "the most righteous state in the world" distinguished itself, but having lost his sense of smell, he involuntarily pointed out where the legs were growing from this news. negative
    5. +6
      11 August 2015 18: 52
      Quote: Infinity
      Did Putin personally give the launch command? And Ruin has already presented new evidence:

      Do not ... There will be a "sensational statement" that an inscription was found on the wreckage of the rocket: "Made in Russia (exp. 01.01.2014)." Kremlin Star "plant (shop No. 5. Under the Borovitskaya tower). Assembler Shoigu S.K. / Controller Putin V.V. "...
      1. PPD
        +1
        11 August 2015 20: 23
        And he launched the Kobzon rocket with the help of Gazmanov! On sou 25 nearby Porechenkov flew! laughing
    6. +4
      11 August 2015 19: 10
      Quote: Infinity
      And naturally, this is a fragment of a Russian rocket,

      Of course! What do you want ?!
      On the same fragment, right in the middle of the fresh paint was written: "Made in Russia"! wassat
    7. -1
      12 August 2015 07: 00
      I think Russia will wait a little longer for their results, but then it will show the world who committed this crime, I’m sure our country has plenty of evidence and witnesses and evidence, so the West wants to understand what Russia has in the case and maybe they don’t reveal their fraud here the results are not announced.
    8. 0
      13 August 2015 09: 39
      Well, the evidence given in the figure .., sorry, of course in satellite photography, fully confirm the version of the guilt of the Russians.
    9. 0
      13 August 2015 14: 57
      in vain it’s you, my friend, such weighty photo evidence posted, because now they can be sent to the Netherlands and applied at the tribunal lol
  2. +17
    11 August 2015 17: 23
    What superprofits are investigating! A year later, they will be able to find the wreckage of Topol or the Governor.
    1. +3
      11 August 2015 17: 40
      This statement is called "ten minutes of shame of the Dutch prosecutor's office as the true face of Western European democracy."
    2. Tor5
      +1
      11 August 2015 18: 06
      Well and well, they really don’t even know how to lie, not just to provide any evidence. As they would say in the adjacent territory: Ganba !!!
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  3. +10
    11 August 2015 17: 23
    Throws do, check the reaction
  4. dsi
    +9
    11 August 2015 17: 24
    The Dutch are burning! ... well, they are smoking something ...
    1. +4
      11 August 2015 18: 02
      They have been smoking for a long time. And in the breaks they are looking for rocket fragments.
    2. +3
      11 August 2015 18: 41
      The Dutch are burning! ... well, they are smoking something ...

      why should they hurry, the salary goes, the grass is also picky and the Estonians squeezed the first place wassat
      1. +2
        11 August 2015 20: 00
        Better to smoke the Mongolian dung.
      2. -1
        11 August 2015 20: 33
        In this way, next year it will be possible to bring the wreckage of a couple more Boeing there and then suddenly discover!
        laughing
    3. +1
      11 August 2015 19: 33
      So their easy drug is legalized, and under the influence of it they even blurt out, especially when it sticks out.
  5. +5
    11 August 2015 17: 25
    The Dutch "experts" reacted with such an ambiguous statement to the change of the supplier of miracle herbs and miracle cookies to the nearest coffee shop ... laughing
  6. +10
    11 August 2015 17: 25
    In the second year of the investigation, the Dutch found that the Boeing had fallen. At this rate, they will soon take the palm from British scientists.
    1. 0
      11 August 2015 17: 36
      Let me remind you that it was also established that the objects with which it was shot down had significant kinetic energy. But no one is able to encroach on the palm of superiority of Ukrainian scientists.
    2. +4
      11 August 2015 17: 39
      Why investigate and create Boeing tribunals, if the mouthpiece of the chief is the United States.
      Psaki identified the cause of the fall of the Boeing, it was heavier than air and point.
  7. +2
    11 August 2015 17: 26
    Efficiency is simply amazing. So you look, in about 30 years, the preliminary results of the investigation will finally be announced. The snails against their background are simply "cars" of F1 races.
    1. +1
      11 August 2015 18: 21
      F-1 is "lemon"? Putin is strong, throws at such a distance ...
    2. +1
      11 August 2015 20: 06
      The reports of September 11 are still closed. Another obvious provocation. They killed the citizens of their country to justify the war in the Middle East. And the citizens of Malaysia ... And who are they in the USA?
  8. BAT
    +4
    11 August 2015 17: 26
    And this fragment brought them pornoshenko. How he brought the wreckage of buses, passports of Russian military personnel and much more ...
  9. +2
    11 August 2015 17: 26
    It was our idiotic idea that they threw them into - shoot into a decommissioned Boeing and see what happens .. They probably did .. And then figure out what plane the piece with the striking elements from ..
  10. +7
    11 August 2015 17: 26
    It remains to find out how many more years and debris the commission of inquiry needs to bring the work to its logical conclusion?
    The grandchildren of the members of this commission will think of looking for objective control transferred by the militia to Ukraine and the records of the talks between pilots and the tower that were erased by the SBU. HOUSE-2 in Dutch. After 10 years there everyone will forget what they are investigating.
  11. +3
    11 August 2015 17: 27
    Mysterious however the plane! So much time has passed and in the end nothing ... (((
  12. +2
    11 August 2015 17: 28
    The blind are conducting investigations under the control of the CIA and the State Department, which truth can be discussed ....
  13. +1
    11 August 2015 17: 28
    "It remains to find out how many more years and debris is needed for the commission of inquiry to bring the work to its logical conclusion?" ...

    For a whole year they sawed a piece of iron and drove it supposedly to the remainder of Buk ...

    Well, now things will go easier ... Until autumn they will have time to engrave "RF" or "Russia" on this piece, or else a facsimile of Putin or Shoigu will sprinkle on this piece ...

    PS Well, these Dutch are fast-energetic-reactive ... A little over a year has passed - and ALREADY such impressive results from the investigation ...
    1. +4
      11 August 2015 18: 05
      Quote: veksha50
      Well, now things will go easier ... Until autumn they will have time to engrave "RF" or "Russia" on this piece, or else a facsimile of Putin or Shoigu will sprinkle on this piece ...
  14. +4
    11 August 2015 17: 29
    I thought the Cholandians had their own grass, but no, they tried dill
  15. +14
    11 August 2015 17: 29
    Based on this information, we can talk aboutthen another year will pass, and at the crash site they can find so many things,

    How the plane was shot down - so the State Department began blaming the Russian Federation in half an hour
    How to publish data from "black" boxes and negotiations with the control room - they cannot be used for a year
    a year later they found parts of the "Buk"
    a year later, the inscriptions "To Kiev", "from Russian separatists to Boeing passengers", Flags of the Russian Federation and Novorossiya will begin to appear on the "parts" of the rocket. a year later, traces of uranium and Putin's autograph.
    what are they filthy ... interesting and their people "hawala"?
    how he touched the abomination after reading it (although he read it at night / in the morning).
  16. 0
    11 August 2015 17: 30
    The Dutch pulled out a fragment and think:
    this is the fragment that Ukrainians prepared and planted in the crash site in a year or not,
    and if the one, then he meets the requirements or again these "I D AND O T Y" screwed up, they can't be trusted with anything,
    So they decided to release it in the network; the situation may become clearer; You cannot make mistakes, you can ruin the whole version and you will have to admit yourself to be involved in the crash of the Boeing.
  17. +3
    11 August 2015 17: 32
    There is an old joke about this ...
    They caught the pale-faced Indians and locked them in a barn. After five days, the Indians returned to their own. They are asked "Where did you hang out"? In response - "They caught the pale-faced and locked them in a shed. We sit for a day, sit for two, and on the third day the" vigilant Falcon "saw that there was no wall in the shed ... belay .. so they fled "!!! So it is here ... As soon as Russia blocked the decision on the Boeing tribunal in the UN, and immediately the" DOKI "new ones got out !!!! laughing
  18. +29
    11 August 2015 17: 32
    The 9th Israeli channel, citing sources in the Netherlands prosecutor’s office, reports that the “find” is allegedly a fragment of a Buk missile.

    All this is complete crap, in the absence of specialists from the one and only Almaz-Antey. And the actions of the Dutch investigators so far resemble this picture.
  19. +4
    11 August 2015 17: 38
    Soon, at the crash site of the Boeing, Dutch experts will discover UFO debris and declare complete secrecy in the investigation of the crash of Boeing for 50 years, involving the Pentagon, the CIA, Mi 6 and all, in the investigation.
  20. +4
    11 August 2015 17: 38
    OSCE inspectors, Dutch investigators apparently studied at some academies ...
    1. +4
      11 August 2015 17: 54
      Quote: svp67
      OSCE inspectors, Dutch investigators apparently studied at some academies ...

      I won’t say anything about academies. And the fact that the system is one is already visible to the blind.
  21. +1
    11 August 2015 17: 40
    Wow! Found it ...
  22. +5
    11 August 2015 17: 41
    the "perfect" version. good Soon, at the crash site of a Boeing, they will find a passport of Bashar al-Assad wassat , will smash Syria. Then they will find a container with 100500% enriched uranium with the inscription "made in Iran" on the box, they will smash Iran, without apologizing to the remains of Syria, and so on according to the list.
    It makes me laugh differently: why are they generally soaring ??? what stupidly wet everyone and did not hide behind, all the same, everyone and so the reason for the fall. It may not be in the details, but the meaning is clear.
  23. +1
    11 August 2015 17: 42
    In general, if you dream up, then we can assume that for a year the counterfeiters had the opportunity to find a couple of real damaging elements from the Buk missile and attach them to the Boeing wreckage, which is not clear where. They don't come up with that in Hollywood yet.
  24. +2
    11 August 2015 17: 43
    Much more will be done on Boeing's statements and important evidence found .. That's just the truth we will never know!
    1. 0
      11 August 2015 20: 21
      Yeah, we definitely won’t live!
  25. +5
    11 August 2015 17: 44
    Provocation was
    But she went wrong
    With BEECH everything went wrong
    I completed it all
  26. 0
    11 August 2015 17: 48
    The details necessary for the investigation can be thrown in any quantity, but it is the task of the Dutch "Investigators" to prove their application to Boeing, and at any cost.
  27. wk
    -4
    11 August 2015 17: 48
    I do not see a crime in the fact that Boeing could be shot down by militias from a beech, in the territory where bomber and other aircraft of the enemy operate ... since before that they shot down both the su 24 and the AN transporter clearly not at the height of the reach of "arrows" or "needles "..... the question of who sent the Boeing there, deviating from the course and lowering the echelon .... where did the dispatcher and the recordings of their negotiations go .... our did not choose the correct defense strategy in this case .... and not one .. and have been pierced more than once ... what is only Leontyev's fake.
    1. +1
      11 August 2015 20: 05
      Quote: wk
      I don’t see a crime in that a Boeing could be knocked down by militias from beech

      Well, if you think so, then answer, in your opinion, were the people who fired from the "Buk" good specialists?
      1. wk
        +1
        11 August 2015 21: 38
        Quote: svp67
        Well, if you think so, then answer, in your opinion, were the people who fired from the "Buk" good specialists?

        Although I served as an urgent in the air defense, but not an expert on these matters .... I heard the conclusions of one expert ... "beech" can work as a complex ... ie. with a special radar machine, and autonomously, the launcher has its own small radar but with a limited degree and less power ... I do not know about ultra-modern radars, but those about which I know will not distinguish, for example, IL 76 from Boeing ... i.e. ... classification is about this order. light-engine aircraft, fighter aircraft, transport and passenger aircraft give an identical signal on the radar ... this is on a serious radar ... and the possibilities of a small radar on a launcher seem even less ...
        At the expense of good air defense specialists, I will note that there are quite a few of them in Ukraine, during the Soviet era, most of the air defense outposts were closer to the border, and the scale of air defense was not comparable to the current ones .... I served in air defense communications and I even remember the call sign of the Kiev air defense Air defense ... "Guitar" ... but to be honest I don't understand the essence of your question about specialists.
        1. +1
          12 August 2015 05: 11
          Quote: wk
          "beech" can work as a complex ... ie. with a special radar machine,

          The so-called Kupol radar.
          Quote: wk
          those. classification of approximately this order. light-weight aircraft, fighter aircraft, transport and passenger on the radar give an identical signal ... this is on a serious radar ... and the possibility of a small radar on the control panel is even less thought ....

          It is a possible event.
          Quote: wk
          at the expense of good air defense specialists, I’ll notice that there are not a few of them in Ukraine,
          Well, here it would be possible to argue, since without practical shooting, and in the entire history of "Independence", they almost did not conduct them and the latter ended with the destruction of our passenger plane, the fact of which, by the way, they still deny, one cannot speak of good preparation.
          But here it is different. We agree that in any case, theoretically, the crew simply had to be well prepared. In any case, its commander.
          Now I will ask one more question.
          What do YOU ​​think, since the Buk was used, then who gave the command to use it, thought that it was justified, or rather, that here it is, a VERY IMPORTANT PURPOSE that simply needs to be destroyed?
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  28. -1
    11 August 2015 17: 51
    What will they find next year?
    An order signed personally by Putin? Shells from the Carapace cannons? I'm even afraid to assume ...
  29. +5
    11 August 2015 17: 51
    Quote: Infinity
    And naturally, this is a fragment of a Russian rocket, right? wink Did Putin personally give the launch command? And Ruin has already presented new evidence:

    Here the picture shows clear evidence that the Russian fired, even Putin himself seems, how embarrassing he is!
  30. +1
    11 August 2015 17: 57
    Quote: barclay
    The 9th Israeli channel, citing sources in the Netherlands prosecutor’s office, reports that the “find” is allegedly a fragment of a Buk missile.

    This is in response to our statement that a Boeing could be shot down by an Israeli-made missile launched by the SU-25 modernized (in terms of suspension) in the 51st state of the SGA (Georgia) back in 2007-2008 and transferred to the Outskirts.
    So, before a real analysis of all the findings, more than five will be needed. Counterfeiters are working hard, but they are afraid of the facts in the hands of the Russian Federation.
  31. +1
    11 August 2015 18: 02
    Right now, they will smoke and find something else that exposes Russia laughing
  32. +3
    11 August 2015 18: 03
    Maybe they found the most important detail in any investigation - CONSCIENCE?
    Although it is hard to believe ....
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    2. +1
      11 August 2015 21: 12
      Quote: sounddoc
      Maybe they found the most important detail in any investigation - CONSCIENCE?
      Although it is hard to believe ....


      Just CONSCIENCE, they don’t have ...
  33. -1
    11 August 2015 18: 04
    And also found a ton of cow cakes, the smell of which flew Russian beech!
  34. -1
    11 August 2015 18: 13
    Soon they will find there a military ID of the BUK operator and in the cover of the document a mission to destroy the board, signed by whom. bully
    1. 0
      11 August 2015 20: 14
      Well, in Valtsman, I will write in Hebrew. The main thing is to fix it.
  35. +1
    11 August 2015 18: 13
    Fewer gamepads need to be watched, and you can see something wrong. laughing
  36. 0
    11 August 2015 18: 18
    It will be more interesting to stubs after the publication of the OFFICIAL results of the "INVESTIGATION".
    When the CONTRARGEMENTS, facts and QUESTIONS will be published.
  37. 0
    11 August 2015 18: 22
    What's going on with the Malaysian Boeings? It is impossible to establish the truth anywhere.
  38. +1
    11 August 2015 18: 37
    And here, on the fourth day, the Vigilant Falcon discovered that there was not one wall in the prison in which the pale-faced ones had been sent!
    1. +1
      11 August 2015 23: 12
      You forgot an important detail:
      On the 4th day the Vigilant Falcon put on glasses and discovered ...
    2. -1
      11 August 2015 23: 12
      You forgot an important detail:
      On the 4th day the Vigilant Falcon put on glasses and discovered ...
  39. LMaksim
    -1
    11 August 2015 18: 37
    So the grass began to let investigators go. Soon they will get to work.
  40. 0
    11 August 2015 18: 45
    And what did we all expect from these "democratic" prosecutors? Yes, they will do everything in order to "obscure" the investigation, because it was correctly noted that they (or rather their masters) are most afraid of what Russia might make public! And everything else is just a "smoke screen"!
  41. 0
    11 August 2015 18: 54
    In a hurry.
  42. +2
    11 August 2015 18: 59
    five years later they will find the skeleton of a tractor and say that Lukashenko was also in business
  43. 0
    11 August 2015 19: 03
    They can’t do it anyway. Bind Russia to this disaster. If in the bodies of the dead they find elements of air-to-air missiles. It will be clear to everyone who shot down. And for the elements of Buk, you can conduct an investigation for another thirty years and Ukraine will not be to blame. they are in holland.
  44. 0
    11 August 2015 19: 06
    Let's wait that after a "thorough search" a handwritten journal of combat missile launches was found at the crash site, with a description of targets and orders for launching missiles, signed ...? Putin of course !!!.
  45. +9
    11 August 2015 19: 14
    Something like this ...
  46. +3
    11 August 2015 19: 14
    More than a year has passed since the tragedy, and Dutch prosecutors only today announced that "an important find was made at the crash site." - plane?
  47. +1
    11 August 2015 19: 19
    Dutch prosecutors only today announced that "an important find was made at the crash site." The 9th channel of Israel, citing sources in The Netherlands Prosecutor’s Office reports that the “find” is allegedly a fragment of a Buk missile.

    With engraving - "VVP", which proves the use of Putin's personal, personalized missile system. Everything, the case can be closed. laughing
  48. +3
    11 August 2015 19: 23
    Do these gentlemen really not understand that they insult the memory of the dead by engaging in verbiage and fact-finding and humiliating themselves, being in a half-hearted pose in front of the Americans and the rest of the European political riffraff. With such rates and * truthfulness * of investigation, the truth will be restored by archaeologists in the distant future. .
    1. +3
      11 August 2015 20: 51
      Quote: unsinkable
      Do these gentlemen really not understand that they insult the memory of the dead, engaging in verbiage and adjusting the facts and humiliate themselvesbeing in a half-hearted pose in front of the Americans and the rest of the European political riffraff. With such a pace and * veracity * of investigation, the truth will be restored by archaeologists in the distant future.

      Lord have mercy! What kind of self-esteem do you speak of these ghouls, because it was they and people like them who ruined their citizens, albeit not personally, but by their indulgence, exchanged 300 lives to please the United States, while they are absolutely not interested in the lives of those killed and crippled people in the Donbass, above which they put their citizens. They deserve nothing but contempt, no one, not the authorities, not their ordinary citizens.
  49. +11
    11 August 2015 19: 37
    A year later, it turns out that it was not a beech, but Topol. Not a Boeing flew, but a UFO
  50. +4
    11 August 2015 19: 40
    Profanity and complete nonsense. Grass slaughter at the experts.
  51. -4
    11 August 2015 19: 43
    Air Force One was lucky. They thought they were shooting at him. There was a board nearby. That's why hemorrhoids are like that.
    1. +1
      11 August 2015 19: 54
      Anti-aircraft missiles will not be able to shoot down Air Force One; it has its own surprises for the air defense systems.
    2. -2
      11 August 2015 20: 05
      These are tales about Air Force One. A la "Khibiny" and wet diapers on Donald Cook.

      Quote: Strugatsky, Doomed City
      "It wasn't like that. Not like that at all."

      laughing
  52. +1
    11 August 2015 20: 06
    May the land of Europe not be depleted of morons
  53. +1
    11 August 2015 20: 11
    Only a year later, the fragments of the Buk rocket finally fell to the ground, right at the crash site of the unfortunate plane.
  54. 0
    11 August 2015 20: 24
    Everything is going to the point that in five years they will find a fragment of a UFO there and blame it all on aliens...
  55. +1
    11 August 2015 20: 39
    It is clear to everyone who is the perpetrator and who ordered the crime (Ukraine, USA). It's clear why. It's almost clear what. But the investigation is proceeding slowly. If there is no hurry, then the performer may no longer exist as a state (Ukraine). Let's say there will be her legal successor. But what if these are united eastern republics, then everything will fall into place. Are you responsible for the former Ukraine? I give it to you. Well, that means you shot it down!
  56. 0
    11 August 2015 20: 49
    Why should our country land passengers in some crazy war?? We wouldn’t get any goodies from this...it’s just a pain in the ass...but the Ukrainians who gave the order to shoot down would still die, if not already...and it wouldn’t be good for their families either
  57. +2
    11 August 2015 20: 55
    European crook.
  58. +1
    11 August 2015 21: 07
    This is plan “B”. Throwing in a counterfeit product. Probably already made, no wonder they waited a year.
    1. 0
      14 August 2015 08: 22
      Yatsenyuk recently announced a transition to “Plan B”
      As I understand it, Plan A was nothing more than the destruction of the Boeing, with the goal of assigning blame to the Russian government and the state, developed by the Ukrainian government and, quote: “our international partners”; and it (Plan A) failed, judging by the readiness to the transition to plan B...Situation...Frank confession on the face, as they say NO COMMENTS!
  59. 0
    11 August 2015 21: 56
    What have you heard about roses from Holland? If they ban it for a long time and seriously, then I will organize a greenhouse for them, for half a plot, otherwise my wife will be admiring the beautiful roses.
  60. 0
    11 August 2015 22: 10
    The Diamond Arm (film). Inventory, protocol, witnesses - everything will be there.
    When parts of the plane were taken out, was there any joint filming? Have you signed the protocol? If not, then just throw in whatever you want - what’s the problem?
  61. 0
    11 August 2015 22: 31
    Apparently, what they say is true: in Holland they sell drugs in supermarkets.
  62. 0
    11 August 2015 22: 58
    Well, in another year, lo and behold, they will find a BUK there...
  63. 0
    11 August 2015 23: 00
    The retaliatory move of the “Dutch partners” to the ban on the import of their flora with fauna elements into the Russian Federation.
  64. -4
    12 August 2015 00: 33
    Allegedly, if mushrooms would grow in my mouth, I wouldn’t go to the forest. Well, these Nedoperlandians give!
  65. 0
    12 August 2015 04: 18
    The bastard thing of politics is everything, everyone knows, but they will muddy the waters until the tan gives the command to drain the dill. Then the entire gayropa will run ahead of the locomotive, especially the Baltic states.
  66. 0
    12 August 2015 04: 58
    Otherwise the bastards are faking... lol
  67. 0
    12 August 2015 05: 49
    A Russian (not Soviet, but Russian) submarine was found in Swedish territorial waters. So, there is time, you may not find something like that.
  68. +1
    12 August 2015 07: 38
    There, in the fields of Donbass, there should be an order from Putin himself about the salvo and documents, namely military cards, in which S. Shoigu’s hand indicates - colonel, general and boxes of award medals. It’s just that not everyone has joined the search group yet. All according to plan.
  69. 0
    12 August 2015 19: 28
    Quote: st25310
    Well, if this, Dutch experts, then they are excusable. lol


    do you think they were stoned??? I'm also tormented by vague doubts... Yes
  70. 0
    13 August 2015 08: 29
    Yeah, a fragment of a Buk missile... And on it there is an inscription in white paint:made in Russia.On the other hand, almost to Boeing, something like (difficulties in translation)... Well, now everything is “clear”, of course... The investigation can be curtailed.
  71. 0
    13 August 2015 12: 38
    In the SIXTH year of investigating the disaster, Dutch prosecutors finally presented........
  72. 0
    13 August 2015 13: 06
    Yeah, but they didn’t find the remains of a HUMANOID there? And then suddenly it was a collision with a kamikaze UFO!!!
  73. 0
    13 August 2015 15: 44
    Finita la comedy.. - Holland officially refused to publish the results of the investigation into the tragedy... Shit on the whole world and independent media. This once again confirms the version of the attempt to fail No. 1. They never talk about such things. It's like trying to publish who actually killed Kennedy...
  74. 0
    13 August 2015 16: 58
    well, exactly. Russia is surrounded by crazy people.
  75. 0
    13 August 2015 17: 04
    waited a long time to deliver
  76. 0
    14 August 2015 09: 33
    Quote: vodolaz
    And they didn’t find Putin’s autograph with Shoigu’s fingerprints on this fragment?

    They are probably now trying to take control fingerprints from Putin, his fingerprints are definitely there.
  77. 0
    14 August 2015 12: 55
    Quote: Aleksander
    Quote: Muadipus
    After all, if international law loses credibility

    Yes, that is right. Not voicedWHEN found these debris-really ONE YEAR LATER?! Strange message ...

    So they can say “in hindsight”, that they had previously found fragments of a Buk missile, but in the interests of the investigation, the details were not disclosed.
    Using this method, one can claim discoveries, even the most incredible ones, for decades to come.
  78. 0
    14 August 2015 13: 58
    They'll chew up more fungi and see something different
  79. 0
    14 August 2015 16: 59
    I wouldn’t be surprised that it really turns out to be from a BUK, was it in vain that the Ukrainian Armed Forces bombed the disaster site so diligently, now anything can be found there, but when have Dutch experts been there recently? And who supervised them?