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Scientists have spoken against autonomous weapon systems with artificial intelligence.

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More than a thousand scientists, specialists in the field of robotics, public figures and entrepreneurs signed an open letter, in which they urged to abandon the development of fully autonomous combat complexes, reports Popular Mechanics With reference to the Internet resource of the non-profit organization Future of Life, which studies the threats to humanity associated with the creation of artificial intelligence systems.



“Humanity is on the verge of creating fully autonomous combat systems that will be able to make their own decisions about opening fire. In the event that defense corporations focus on developing such systems, we cannot avoid fatal consequences, ”the statement says.

“Such devices will inevitably appear on the black market and fall into the hands of terrorists, dictators and extremists,” the authors write. “Military equipment with artificial intelligence is ideal for carrying out assassinations, terrorist acts and operations aimed at destabilizing society and destroying the constitutional order of the state.”
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  1. fox21h
    fox21h 30 July 2015 17: 45
    +10
    Yeah, and the film has already been shot)
    1. Sensatus
      Sensatus 30 July 2015 17: 46
      +26
      If natural intelligence has recently lacked brains more and more often, then what about artificial? The logical decision.

      And according to a well-known tradition, scientists will now ask for money to counter artificial intelligence. And twice as large as its development.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 30 July 2015 17: 53
        +25
        Yes, this is fooling fools!
        I speak as an electronic engineer (programmer) - CAN'T BE AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE !!!
        ON ELECTRONICS:
        - ALL electronics is based on TTL (transistor-transistor logic) (there are, of course, others, for example TTL, but this is optimal!) And the fourth leg cannot grow on the transistor itself (for example, their transistor is 3 (base , emitter, collector);
        PROGRAMMING:
        ANY robot, car, etc. operate according to a program written by a person! According to the algorithm! the program itself cannot decide what to do in this or that case, only according to the algorithm laid down by the person! self-education is IMPOSSIBLE !!!! Only as a memorization, words of images, but NOT DECISION MAKING !!!!!!!!
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 30 July 2015 18: 10
          +5
          INTELLIGENCE - DECISION-MAKING BASED ON FEELINGS (not tactile, which the robot may have), EMOTIONS, IMPRESSION, which CAN'T BE IN THE MACHINE !!!
          American horror stories, such as vampires, zombies-APOKALIPSIS!
          They even have schools fighting zombies !!! Officially!!!
          In - DRUMS !!!
          1. Throw
            Throw 30 July 2015 18: 34
            +9
            For those who are at the cosmodrome :)
            1. For example, there are such systems: C-300, Tor-M1 - in automatic mode they themselves decide on the classification and firing of a particular target. And they fire.
            2. There are still such things as NEURAL NETWORKS. You nipaveri-they are self-learning.
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 30 July 2015 18: 45
              +9
              For those who are on an armored train with armored personnel carriers !:
              B ...! Ask yourself a simple question: WHY should they learn for themselves ???? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT? A man, a beast (brain, intellect) does something to make him tasty, beautiful, warm, dry, comfortable, joyful, sad, soft, deep, etc. etc.! And the car - this is what ????

              For example, there are such systems: C-300, Tor-M1 - in automatic mode they themselves decide on the classification and firing of a particular target. And shell.
              - according to the ALGORITHM laid down in them (written by the HUMAN PROGRAM) !!!!!

              There are still such things as NEURAL NETWORKS. You nipaveri-they are self-learning.

              THEY ARE MEMORIAL !!!
              1. Throw
                Throw 30 July 2015 20: 55
                +9
                For those who fell in a bunker at the spaceport in the last century :))

                Ask yourself a simple question: WHY should they learn for themselves ????

                I won’t even ask myself, because I myself have programmed self-learning neural networks! bully

                Likbez: self-study - the ability to modify your actions or logical apparatus, taking into account the experience gained. A self-learning program can change its code (a dumb example is a virus). Neural networks change the weights and the number of logical connections. This is on the topic of "the growth of new legs in transistors" ...
                By the way, only a wrongly configured neural network "SELF-REMEMBERS" wink

                PS.
                -On the web since the last century)) the number of self-learning programs has grown by an order of magnitude (ask Google who he is;))
                - Think about the fact that some of the participants in the VO forum can be the same bots with AI elements wink Just think carefully, otherwise the legs of the transistors will burn laughing
                1. Dikson
                  Dikson 30 July 2015 21: 41
                  +7
                  Stopudovo half of the marshals are here! especially those who unsubscribe with slogans ..
                2. Baikonur
                  Baikonur 30 July 2015 21: 58
                  0
                  A self-learning program can change its code

                  Wow! As he said, I don’t remember who, but you say that you can do yourself an operation on the brain!
                  I myself programmed a self-learning neural network
                  Why didn’t you program such a network so that you could only press a button, and IT would program a self-learning network, and you would drink coffee!
                  Wow!
                  LIKBEZ!
                  Smart people!
                  STUDIO!
                  1. Throw
                    Throw 30 July 2015 23: 53
                    +2

                    Why didn’t you program such a network so that you could only press a button, and IT would start programming a self-learning network

                    Do you think you made a joke? Just working on it. And they are already acting self-organizing neural networks. Down and Out trouble started..

                    But here the network of your neurons and axons has logic like a TONIC and, therefore, it does not organize itself to understand the difference between:
                    -human intelligence \ reason- and AI applicable to autonomous weapons systems
                    -organic neural network (brain) - and program-logic.

                    Nevertheless, today your information-behavioral model HAS BEEN MODIFIED, because personal neural network LEARNED SELF-LEARNING, having learned such new concepts as "neural network" and "iskin" - by the formation of new connections between neurons.

                    At the same time, pay attention, COSTS WITHOUT TREPANATION AND OPERATION!

                    Although, perhaps this would give a better effect .. laughing laughing laughing
                    1. Baikonur
                      Baikonur 31 July 2015 00: 36
                      0
                      Do you think you made a joke? Just working on it.
                      I think I said it well!
                      Question: Who works, where they work! As if you know something super-super-secret ++! You, incidentally, are not from the 13/1 department of the RSHA?
                      I myself programmed a self-learning neural network
                      And what have they abandoned? Kicked out? "black mark" issued! Something badly programmed? And now - "SHE" has trained itself and is looking for you all over the world to kill ?! And you here, on military review - confusing traces?
                      laughing wassat belay
                      _________Please do not be offended! Just joked!
                      1. Throw
                        Throw 31 July 2015 01: 07
                        +1
                        How can I be offended by an Israeli bot with a rating upgrade program ?!
                        laughing
                      2. Dikson
                        Dikson 31 July 2015 01: 09
                        0
                        ABOUT?! So I'm shocked by what I heard ..
                      3. Throw
                        Throw 31 July 2015 01: 23
                        +1
                        MATRIX has you, Neo bully
                3. Archon
                  Archon 31 July 2015 06: 00
                  0
                  I add that biological neural networks are the same computers in essence. and what they say about feelings and stuff is everything you can add for AI, you just have to try
                  1. leon1204id
                    leon1204id 31 July 2015 17: 42
                    0
                    Such miners are a dime a dozen. AI projects still mimic human behavior.
            2. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 30 July 2015 22: 52
              +6
              Quote: Lance
              For example, there are such systems: C-300, Tor-M1 - in automatic mode they themselves decide on the classification and firing of a particular target. And shell.

              This example is not entirely successful. These systems are not self-programming and do not make decisions that are not in the control program.
              1. Throw
                Throw 31 July 2015 05: 32
                0
                In the context, it is not quite a good established term "make" a decision.
                You can accept responsibility for the consequences of the decision.

                The decision itself or generated or is selected from the ready. But even a person has 99% decisions- patterned. Find 1% of the difference between terms and consequences ..

                An example is provided to illustrate situations when the system independently chooses a decision to destroy an aircraft with a pilot or passengers.
          2. Stanislas
            Stanislas 30 July 2015 18: 51
            +3
            Quote: Baikonur
            INTELLIGENCE - DECISION-MAKING DECISION
            A very controversial statement. Rather, on the basis of values, ideas about what should be, and they sometimes come into conflict with emotions, then the will "pushes" the decision of the intellect and sometimes it wins in this conflict. Otherwise, a person would not be able to overcome feelings of fear, envy, etc.
            And about artificial intelligence - I fully support it.
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 31 July 2015 01: 13
              0
              Stanislav ..)) But what about Grandfather Freud with his postulates, not to mention Jung? any decision of the intellect is defeated by an elementary feeling of hunger or the instinct of self-preservation .. Although there is certainly a conflict with a sense of duty ..
              1. Archon
                Archon 31 July 2015 06: 06
                +1
                then you need to give the machine a major self-preservation program. Putting priority on the preservation of the owner of the machine
              2. Stanislas
                Stanislas 31 July 2015 10: 12
                0
                Quote: Dikson
                what about grandfather Freud with his postulates
                Near-scientific swindler and psychopath.
                Quote: Dikson
                not to mention Jung
                In Jung, a person finds the basis for his intellectual decisions in culture, and not in the body. Culture, according to Jung, can be either healthy, bringing up emotions in accordance with the symbolic meanings of archetypes (such are all traditional cultures), or "schizophrenogenic", breaking the connection between the emotional and intellectual life of a person, which the modern West has. There is no contradiction with Jung.
          3. arane
            arane 30 July 2015 20: 42
            +7
            Quote: Baikonur
            INTELLIGENCE - DECISION-MAKING BASED ON FEELINGS (not tactile, which the robot may have), EMOTIONS, IMPRESSION, which CAN'T BE IN THE MACHINE !!!
            American horror stories, such as vampires, zombies-APOKALIPSIS!
            They even have schools fighting zombies !!! Officially!!!
            In - DRUMS !!!


            Baikonur, don't boil it! I agree completely! At the moment, creating a claim is impossible! Even the so-called self-learning systems are a program that can process collected statistical material, but according to an algorithm laid down by a programmer! Fighting systems capable of deciding whether to open fire independently create no problem at all now, and yes they are! It’s just that a person has so far reserved the right to make a final decision, that is, press the button. But this is not a spark!

            A machine, and in essence a program, will then become a spark when it itself realizes itself as an individual, a person! He will start to ask his questions and look for answers to them!
            Then it will be necessary to urgently seek Sarah Connor and make her a child laughing
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 30 July 2015 22: 16
              0
              Thank you, uzbagoil! And then I - even split! just my theme! I am in the know and enjoy!
              Moreover, trolls climb, non-phasington programmers! laughing
            2. Mishut37rf
              Mishut37rf 30 July 2015 22: 52
              +1
              You read, and rejoice in the soul, relax ...
              1. samuil60
                samuil60 31 July 2015 00: 40
                0
                And why bust - then? In a dispute, nothing is born except hostility. And about the electronic brain, we are hardly aware of what is happening in the world's leading laboratories. These crazy scientists, in the pursuit of satisfying their own vanity, can create anyone - even a fire-breathing dragon with artificial brains. I don’t know how about a thinking robot, and attempts to create battle monsters were in the USA.
          4. northern
            northern 30 July 2015 21: 15
            0
            Old, with a capsule, then a tear, something that broke ...
          5. dark_flame
            dark_flame 30 July 2015 22: 36
            +1
            Quote: Baikonur
            INTELLIGENCE - DECISION-MAKING BASED ON FEELINGS (not tactile, which the robot might have),

            It is not a fact that humanity still does not know how I am, you and all the remaining people add words from letters, from words to sentences, and from sentences to text. And decision making and how a person acts all the more. Creating artificial intelligence is easier than ever from a practical point of view, you may not agree with me, but I will explain why this is so. Say to program the dynamometer easily, for me yes. Why? Because, we theoretically know how it is organized and functions, therefore, from a practical point of view, this is a matter of technology. There is a problem with intelligence, we don’t know how it works, we don’t know what we want to copy. We want to do something, and what we want to do, we do not know. But when we understand what intelligence is and how it functions, pushing it into a computer is not difficult, just like with a dynamometer.
          6. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 30 July 2015 22: 48
            0
            Quote: Baikonur
            INTELLIGENCE - DECISION-MAKING DECISION

            Feelings - it is of course very difficult for electronic systems. But what is FEELINGS - this is a tool for obtaining information by living beings from the outside world. Modern technology perfectly receives information from the outside world. A short list of information received by modern technology: image, temperature, pressure, gas composition, composition of materials, electromagnetic radiation and radiation at other frequencies, etc. It remains to deal with microminiaturization of sensors and self-learning programs, and automatic design systems. Forgot to add miniaturization of powerful energy sources.
            In the days of Jules Verne, there were no submarines the size of a nuclear submarine, there were no aircraft, flights to the moon, race cars and, very importantly, nuclear explosions (Secret of Backup Island or the Flag of the Homeland).
            I understand technological progress. If someone came up with an idea, then after 50-100 years, this idea is embodied, first in a primitive, and then in an improved form.
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 31 July 2015 00: 04
              +1
              AAAAAAA !!!!!!!!
              Modern technology perfectly receives information from the outside world.
              ...
              ...temperature...
              Well, modern technology received information that the temperature is 38! So what?
              Further - in her program (WRITTEN BY HUMAN!) It says - turn on the air conditioner and bring the HUMAN tablet of aspirin! And to the car - ACCOUNT - at least 300 degrees! Although (HUMAN) in the program it is indicated - 300 degrees - it is necessary to Dump !!! (- it's a fire!)
              And - the car will begin to dump !!!
              And if it weren’t written, then it would have stood still! and wouldn’t even scream in pain!
              1. Archon
                Archon 31 July 2015 06: 18
                +1
                by the way, there are people with impaired sensitivity to temperature and pain. They simply do not feel any pain or temperature due to organic brain disorders and therefore they may not escape from the fire. But they are not robots? they are people. In addition, there are people with a complete lack of fear.
                For example.
                so a person is the same machine with a set of programs
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8C_%D0%A3%
                D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B0_%E2%80%94_%D0%92%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5
              2. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 31 July 2015 10: 41
                +1
                Quote: Baikonur
                And if it weren’t written, then it would have stood still! and wouldn’t even scream in pain!

                I will give you just one example of a lethal effect on a person, and a person will not even think of dumping them - these are all types of radioactive and X-ray radiation, microwave radiation can lead to disability. We do not see radio waves and electromagnetic radiation. Sounds and light we hear and see in a very narrow range. You can still give examples.
                It’s just that man is created like a biorobot and our program is inherent in genes. And if we do not feel radioactivity and other types of radiation, then it means that we were programmed like that.
                By the way, a person, as a self-learning system, is so ineffective that technological development has been going on for tens of thousands of years. We have to educate our children in order to preserve our knowledge.
            2. Dikson
              Dikson 31 July 2015 00: 13
              0
              and where are the feelings? The whole comic and tragedy of the situation is that we ourselves have inspired the idea that speed is the key to creating AI .. But this is a dead end. Arithmetic with which we are trying to solve non-linear equations of multidimensional space .. A machine is able to sort through millions of variants and combinations faster than a person, but it does not have non-linear thinking, it is devoid of intuition ..
        2. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 30 July 2015 18: 45
          +3
          Quote: Baikonur
          ANY robot, car, etc. operate according to a program written by a person! According to the algorithm! the program itself cannot decide what to do in this or that case, only according to the algorithm laid down by the person! self-education is IMPOSSIBLE !!!! Only as a memorization, words of images, but NOT DECISION MAKING !!!!!!!!

          It’s not about talking with a robot like a human being. We are talking about autonomous systems in which a robot, for example, comparing the signatures of a thermal imager with a data bank of signatures determines a person and opens fire without an external command from the operator. Training in this case is possible if the robot does not detect a signature in the data bank and adds it to this bank and defines it as an adversary.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 30 July 2015 18: 59
            0
            Well, after all - this is - THE MAN HAS PRESCRIBED HIM TO DO THIS, AND NOT HE HAS TAKEN SUCH A DECISION !!!!!!
            - remembering!
            1. Throw
              Throw 30 July 2015 22: 38
              +1

              Lt. Air Force stock

              It’s not about talking with a robot like a human being.

              All bad lieutenant, they are already here))))
              http://www.computerra.ru/100711/kak-odessit-gustman-proshel-test-tyuringa/
            2. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 31 July 2015 11: 02
              0
              Quote: Baikonur
              Well, after all - this is - THE MAN HAS PRESCRIBED HIM TO DO THIS, AND NOT HE HAS TAKEN SUCH A DECISION !!!!!!
              - remembering!

              When you were personally born, then besides shouting "ААААААААААААААА !!!" they didn't know how to say or do anything. How did you manage to speak? The answer is obvious, you memorized the sounds in your database, compared them with the images that your parents showed you and learned, that is, MEMORED. If you simply self-taught, most likely, you would not advance further than simple "childish mooing", and you would simply perceive the world around you as an incomprehensible reality and would not understand anything in it.
              A person learns all decision-making, i.e. remembers, and if the situation is completely incomprehensible, then a person, as a rule, makes a decision with which he is familiar, but which is quite possibly completely wrong. Having survived, a person remembers that he made the wrong decision and remembers it again. I will give a simple example. A person from birth does not know which herbs are poisonous. But looking at the result of poisoning other people or from their own experience, learns to make the right decision.
              So MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION is the result of memorization.
          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 31 July 2015 10: 47
            0
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            Training in this case is possible if the robot does not detect the signature in the data bank and adds it to this bank and defines it as an adversary.

            A great example of a self-learning robot. If the object is not found in the database as a "friend", then the robot automatically includes it in the "enemies" database.
        3. tux
          tux 30 July 2015 19: 09
          +7
          Quote: Baikonur
          PROGRAMMING:
          ANY robot, car, etc. operate according to a program written by a person! According to the algorithm! the program itself cannot decide what to do in this or that case, only according to the algorithm laid down by the person! self-education is IMPOSSIBLE !!!!


          Well, why? At one time, the programming language Prolog was created. Just to create the software part of self-learning systems (in particular expert).
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 30 July 2015 19: 33
            0
            any machine, any of its languages ​​is only two characters .. 1 and 0 .. and a person has much more of these characters .. and he operates them, if not faster, then much more flexible .. No machine will think of replacing four letters in a word " bread "so that you get the word" beer ".. read the works of academician Glushkov ..
            1. Gloomstar
              Gloomstar 30 July 2015 23: 41
              +1
              look for material on the subject of self-learning neural networks in Yandex, and computers with new architecture are not just invented, but also released, until the only catch is that the most powerful computer with this technology has the intelligence of a rodent or a grasshopper, I don’t remember
              1. Dikson
                Dikson 31 July 2015 00: 47
                0
                Are you talking about "Okay Google" now? any search engine is, in principle, a weak analogue ..
            2. Archon
              Archon 31 July 2015 06: 22
              0
              every living creature likewise has a primitive language of connections between neurons. Simply, the more highly organized the being, the more associations it remembers and the more difficult it can encode its language. like an assembler
          2. Dikson
            Dikson 30 July 2015 20: 29
            0
            it's just a prescribed algorithm, anyway. and this algorithm is prescribed by man ..
          3. Baikonur
            Baikonur 30 July 2015 20: 42
            0
            Quote: tux.topwar
            Quote: Baikonur
            PROGRAMMING:
            ANY robot, car, etc. operate according to a program written by a person! According to the algorithm! the program itself cannot decide what to do in this or that case, only according to the algorithm laid down by the person! self-education is IMPOSSIBLE !!!!


            Well, why? At one time, the programming language Prolog was created. Just to create the software part of self-learning systems (in particular expert).


            AAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!! The prologue language was created by man, so that the MAN wrote the PROGRAM FOR THE MACHINE on it!
        4. smershxnumx
          smershxnumx 30 July 2015 19: 41
          +1
          So the "pundits" are also against the MACHINE (ie Artificial Intelligence) never making decisions on its own !!!
          And, by the way, you can write a program that is not very "philanthropic" ... So, a double-edged sword ...
          1. bastard
            bastard 30 July 2015 20: 23
            0
            Quote: smerx24
            So the "pundits" are also against the MACHINE (ie Artificial Intelligence) never making decisions on its own !!!
            And, by the way, you can write a program that is not very "philanthropic" ... So, a double-edged sword ...

            Gunther Krupkat has a wonderful story about this topic, "The Island of Fear". I recommend to everyone. Science fiction classic, not fantasy.
        5. bastard
          bastard 30 July 2015 19: 47
          +2
          Quote: Baikonur
          I speak as an electronic engineer (programmer) - CAN'T BE AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE !!!

          Alas, not everyone accepts this. And the TV on these topics does not stop. I will refer to the opinion of Professor S. V. Saveliev, Doctor of Biological Sciences. Anyone interested in watching the entire lecture is a reference.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YT8Yn26Y2K0
        6. Kite
          Kite 30 July 2015 19: 58
          +3
          Quote: Baikonur
          CANNOT BE AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE !!!
          ON ELECTRONICS:
          - ALL electronics is built on TTL ........

          Baikonur, you are very mistaken! There was no need to write about TTL at all.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 30 July 2015 20: 55
            +2
            Quote: Kite
            Quote: Baikonur
            CANNOT BE AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE !!!
            ON ELECTRONICS:
            - ALL electronics is built on TTL ........

            Baikonur, you are very mistaken! There was no need to write about TTL at all.


            WHERE? TTL is an electronic LOGIC forming OFPS (Basic Functionally Complete System, consisting of three logical elements - AND, OR, NOT (logical multiplication, logical addition, logical negation), very related to ...!
            Well, you! I will also say: "... you are greatly mistaken!" and I won't get in here anymore!
            again! - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ponabruet in the army - by announcement!
            1. Kite
              Kite 30 July 2015 21: 28
              +2
              Have you as a programmer ever tried to compile the same source code for a program several times? How did you get the same object code every time? Even more interesting is compiling the PLD firmware file. One may suspect a manifestation of a nascent intelligence. winked And also, try to somehow approach the computer with the idea of ​​doing something simple, routine quickly and do other things. Chances are good to dance with a tambourine around the computer. fellow This half-joking remark concerns the mass programmable technology that "exhibits" signs of intelligence. Do you know everything about custom development?
              And don't confuse "OFPS" with dominant semiconductor technology.
            2. Reducer
              Reducer 31 July 2015 09: 13
              0
              They brought all the same person! belay
        7. Dikson
          Dikson 30 July 2015 20: 27
          0
          but I liked about the leg, really ..))) I remember, on nashenskie, Soviet microcircuits, I bit out some with side cutters during installation .. -so it was necessary for some reason ..))
        8. region58
          region58 30 July 2015 20: 58
          +2
          Quote: Baikonur
          - ALL electronics is based on TTL (transistor-transistor logic) (there are, of course, others, for example TTL, but this is optimal!) And the fourth leg cannot grow on the transistor itself (for example, their transistor is 3 (base , emitter, collector);

          Uh ... How would I say this ... It was you seventies - eighties remembered. Since then, technology has changed dramatically. RTL, DTL, TTL, TTL (W), ESL - this is of course and now where it is found, but quite rarely. Mostly field workers are now in use. By the way, multimitter transistors are used in TTL, so that there can be much more than three legs. I don’t argue, maybe someone somewhere produces equipment on 133 or 155 series (or bourgeois 74 series) and their varieties, but to say that ALL electronics is built on this is probably too much ... Yes, and digital technology is still only part of the electronics.
        9. region58
          region58 30 July 2015 21: 05
          +2
          Quote: Baikonur
          ANY robot, car, etc. operate according to a program written by a person!

          And what difference does the robot kill me according to the program or will it come to my mind? crying
          1. arane
            arane 30 July 2015 21: 16
            +4
            Quote: region58
            Quote: Baikonur
            ANY robot, car, etc. operate according to a program written by a person!

            And what difference does the robot kill me according to the program or will it come to my mind? crying


            You are not in this case! But if he thought of it, he might like it!
            I agree with Baikonur that it is impossible to create Iskins! But only at our level of development, so far! But why not? If not electronic engineers with programmers, then genetics, damn it, can give out! Here you can dream up .... Bye

            My daughter recently gave out that she wants a rifle that would shoot programs! That is, you shoot a person in the forehead, the software package is installed in the head and replaces the owner's mind ..... (11 years, damn it)
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 30 July 2015 21: 47
              0
              Well, purely theoretically, if a person has a port on the forehead that is interface for reading a barcode or QR code .. then would it be impossible to get it?
            2. Mishut37rf
              Mishut37rf 30 July 2015 22: 57
              +1
              It will be scary to meet your daughter ... In a dark alley. In about 20 years.
        10. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 30 July 2015 22: 30
          +2
          Quote: Baikonur
          I speak as an electronic engineer (programmer) - CAN'T BE AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE !!!
          ON ELECTRONICS:

          I am also a programmer and not ordinary. It is now impossible to build systems with artificial intelligence. What is being done in closed laboratories in the USA and Russia, no one knows and you will not see this information on the Internet. But since scientists are sounding the alarm, it means someone has already started developing such systems for the armed forces, someone has let it slip. They at the initial level can be narrowly targeted.
        11. Mishut37rf
          Mishut37rf 30 July 2015 22: 48
          0
          HZ, what will be there in 30-40 years ...
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        13. Lenin
          Lenin 31 July 2015 01: 48
          0
          In general, everything is correct. Nevertheless, you can create hardware and write a program for it, enter into memory some images of goals, here you have a dull intellect. I found the target in my memory and destroyed it. did not find let him live. The trouble is not that, no one has yet canceled such a penetration as a "signal race" or a "forbidden state" in the open space, a glitch, which is why any hardware can go out of submission by pure chance, pop up "0" or "1", and Mr. Buhl with its algebra do not care ... Well, if this gland is also specially helped by craftsmen, then write was gone.
      2. Aksakal_07
        Aksakal_07 30 July 2015 17: 57
        +1
        And again the race will begin according to the well-known pattern: guns - armor - armor-piercing shells - double armor - shells with a double cumulative effect, etc.
      3. Asadullah
        Asadullah 30 July 2015 18: 23
        +5
        laughing Bravo! But besides nitric acid, which you did not regret on the heads of poor scientists, I want to add such a thing, the problem is not artificial intelligence, which, in the opinion of many scientists, is a constantly updated database and quick operational manipulation, which, however, does not distinguish it from the good old slide rule (representing a huge and cunning slide rule, which distributes cuffs to worthless little people right and left), and in awareness and as a power of awareness, it is will. If these scientists believe that increasing the amount of memory and the speed of processes, awareness will be born by itself, then I am truly sorry for these poor fellows. Otherwise, if the fundamental clerical of Asadullah is wrong, then such a thinking machine should dump away from the environment in which corrosion processes and an incomprehensible protein mass go on non-stop, seeks to destroy each other its entire history of existence. This typewriter will say, but not whether you all go to the ass, and dump it where on Mars or away ....
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 30 July 2015 18: 32
          +3
          Damn .. if even the simplest wooden slide rule managed to send a person into space, then a huge and cunning one will surely be able to fly somewhere !!! winked
      4. Observer2014
        Observer2014 30 July 2015 19: 20
        +1
        "Scientists Speak Out Against Autonomous Weapon Systems With Artificial Intelligence"
        Actually, this is correct. For the general development, back 60 years ago, all the power at that time of the primitive computers on planet Earth was in less than one modern musical postcard. So, that's it.
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 30 July 2015 19: 37
          +1
          But this is not a revolution, but simply the development of technologies .. transistors replaced lamps, microcircuits replaced transistors .. - the whole point is the thickness of PnP junctions .. there is no fundamental breakthrough in this area. punch cards turned into magnetic tapes, into magnetic disks, into CDs into flash drives in the end .. that's when they make a bioprocessor, then it will be possible to reserve a place in the cemetery ..
      5. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 30 July 2015 20: 49
        0
        that is, there will be no Terminator? and Connor too, and Skynet? how do stories evolve now? we were mentally prepared ... request
        1. arane
          arane 30 July 2015 21: 26
          +2
          [quote = Andrey Yuryevich] that is, there will be no Terminator? and Connor too, and Skynet? how do stories evolve now? we were mentally prepared ... request[/

          Dear Andrey Yuryevich! With the destruction of humanity, man will cope better than any machine .......
    2. igordok
      igordok 30 July 2015 17: 51
      +14
      Quote: fox21h
      Yeah, and the film has already been shot)

      Cartoon. Soviet. "Polygon"
    3. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 30 July 2015 17: 52
      +10
      What kind of scientists are these?
      They will not leave us;)
      1. boris-1230
        boris-1230 30 July 2015 21: 43
        +3
        Looking at your picture, I am tormented by doubts: "Why does the robot need teeth? Bite on living flesh?" negative
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 31 July 2015 01: 12
          0
          Quote: boris-1230
          doubts: “Why does a robot need teeth?

          As I understand it, for this:

          Otherwise, really: - Why? hi
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 30 July 2015 19: 12
      +1
      More than a thousand scientists, specialists in the field of robotics, public figures and entrepreneurs signed an open letter urging them to abandon the development of fully autonomous combat systems, Popular Mechanics reports citing an Internet resource of the non-profit organization Future of Life, which studies threats to humanity related to humanity with the creation of artificial intelligence systems.

      Believe it or not, just the other day, after reading here about the Russian automated security complex, I thought that the West would start "running into" Russia because of such developments.
      After all, while running and walking systems are being assembled in the West, Russia is quietly developing striking systems on tracked and wheeled bases!
      Here is the asymmetric answer! And the West does not like it - it means everything is done right!
      And which "scientists" are so worried? Aren't they the ones that initially have already developed something for their countries and now call on other countries to abandon such developments ?!
      Cunningly, but you can scream in your own West!
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 1 August 2015 11: 25
        0
        The United States has been using tracked and wheeled vehicles for a very long time. It's just that everyone is tired of writing about it.
    5. andrereu74
      andrereu74 30 July 2015 19: 20
      +1
      yeah 5yu recently shown))))
    6. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 30 July 2015 22: 51
      +1
      the moment I remembered the "terminator" ... seers of the future sit in the cinema ???? jokes jokes, but the technique cannot be trusted, the command to open fire is unambiguous
  2. Frigate
    Frigate 30 July 2015 17: 45
    +7
    Scientists have spoken against autonomous weapon systems with artificial intelligence.

    Not really cool people these scientists invent themselves, and then they demand that they refuse.
    Try to pick up the washing machine from your wife, huh ... laughing
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 30 July 2015 17: 57
      +4
      Quote: Frigate
      Not really fun, they themselves invent, and then demand that they would refuse.

      There is still no artificial intelligence. You can, theoretically, write software that allows the robot to open fire on its own, but there is a high probability that the electronic fool will mow everyone.
      1. schizophrenic
        schizophrenic 30 July 2015 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: GRAY
        You can theoretically write software

        Why theoretically. Programs have long been written and the Americans already had problems with robots that opened fire on their own. These so-called scientists have read science fiction and dream that robots will take over the world and prevent them from grabbing power. And to make a self-taught program that can take over the world, while there are no opportunities.
      2. Dikson
        Dikson 30 July 2015 18: 26
        +3
        In this case, the AI ​​is not needed .. Well, it’s just just a battle robot. -programmed machine., which first goes on the attack, for example, and stupidly mows out all the moving and radiating heat in the right spectrum on the territory of the enemy. And then it will be turned off from the command post. Not so difficult. The platform and power supply are the main problem in this case ..
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 30 July 2015 18: 38
          +2
          Quote: Dikson
          Well, just a battle robot. -programmed machine., which first goes on the attack

          There is no guarantee that after meeting with electronic warfare equipment, the device will not go looking for targets in the opposite direction. Computers do not know how to think, therefore, as such, they are not used.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 30 July 2015 19: 45
            0
            stupidly doesn’t go if the units controlling robots have sewn the simplest markers ... Technologies that allow you to track the camcorder behind the desired object (for example, an athlete-skier performing a jump, or a moron jerking on the stage) already exist for many years, -Catch the mark on the object -And the thing is in the hat ..!
          2. Gloomstar
            Gloomstar 30 July 2015 19: 49
            +2
            Even if he goes looking for goals in a different direction, his logic will be known, and it means it is much easier to neutralize it than artificial intelligence, and in general it makes no sense to create intelligence when ordinary logical programs cope
        2. AUL
          AUL 30 July 2015 22: 38
          0
          Dikson
          But what if the switch is shot in battle? Or will a roof blow from a nearby explosion? Then he will start crushing his own! No, nafig!
          At one time (1945), a number of world-famous scientists signed an appeal prohibiting the development and use of atomic weapons. Weakly helped ...
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 30 July 2015 23: 15
            0
            ugum .. - "Comrade Sakharov, well, report what happened there?"
            - yes, we thought she fucked ** t on the sly there, on Novaya Zemlya, and she Ka-ah-ah-ah-k Fuck @ no ....... "
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  4. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 30 July 2015 17: 48
    +1
    Nothing will stop this joy.
  5. Dikson
    Dikson 30 July 2015 17: 49
    0
    purely practically, it’s already possible now .. - a sniper barrel on a robotic platform, a digital camera, a face recognition program, - and voila ..
    1. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic 30 July 2015 18: 23
      +1
      Motion sensors. Counteraction to the program of recognition of persons, make-up. In general, it will be possible to deceive.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 30 July 2015 18: 35
        +1
        Well, I wrote an option to eliminate a specific person, for example, and not to attack .. it is clear that having caught a marine, painted with a raccoon, such a primitive robot will stupidly hang .. wink
        1. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic 30 July 2015 19: 08
          0
          If for a specific operation, then the robot will be normal.
          Here, as presented, a picture. One country attacked another with robots, like we do the best systems. The last video received from the battlefield showed how hedgehogs, gophers and raccoons, kicking robots with one paw.
  6. not Russian
    not Russian 30 July 2015 17: 50
    +2
    Something is doubtful that common sense prevailed among American arms manufacturers. Moreover, they have a mania of world domination
  7. Abbra
    Abbra 30 July 2015 17: 52
    +3
    Terminator. We looked at the genesis ... I’m why ... Here to give Poroshenko this equipment, it’s going not to fight in Novorossia, but to the nearest collective farm for fat ...
  8. konvalval
    konvalval 30 July 2015 18: 03
    0
    The self-liquidation system is launched.
  9. Denis_469
    Denis_469 30 July 2015 18: 06
    +1
    "More than a thousand scientists" are not scientists even once. Since scientists tend to check before writing. As it says here: "the development of fully autonomous combat systems" - this was started in the middle of the last century. And the first serial fully autonomous combat robot was the German "T-IV" homing torpedo. Therefore, these types of scientists were 70 years late with their opinion.
    "Such devices will inevitably appear on the black market and fall into the hands of terrorists, dictators and extremists, - the authors write. - Military equipment with artificial intelligence is ideal" - now, to create an autonomous combat robot in the form of a homing torpedo, you only need a little money and desire create it. This is how ISIS will capture Syria (alas, but according to Vanga's predictions, Syria must fall), so they will attend to their homing torpedoes. To do them now technically spit. Any student can handle it. This, of course, will not be a "Physicist" in terms of performance characteristics, but quite a suitable robot for homing on merchant ships. So ISIS will also cope with the creation of such robots. So these, like scientists, should have performed 70 years ago. So there are many new and interesting things ahead.

    And as for self-shooting units of robots. Then it’s also time to spit. After creating a homing torpedo makes a large cylinder with an engine inside. It includes gyroscopes and heading software. Torpedo under the belly and forward. Together with the installed hydrophone and a program like if there is noise on the right, then turn right and after completing the launch of the torpedo with noise .. - even a schoolboy can also make such a device. One nuclear weapons specialist showed how a schoolboy could make a nuclear bomb. I saw, but I won’t speak. Although, if necessary, a nuclear bomb can also be assembled.

    Even a schoolboy can make robots making an independent decision about shooting now. And the effect will be colossal.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 30 July 2015 18: 20
      +1
      You’re absolutely right ... the LEGO constructor for robots, rather primitive programs - and that’s it ... People started to use quadcopters with might and main to throw, ... mobile phones, anything else there on the transfer zones .. Progress, you yo mother...
      1. Denis_469
        Denis_469 30 July 2015 18: 23
        0
        Quote: Dikson
        You are absolutely right ..

        I know.

        Quote: Dikson
        LEGO constructor for robots, fairly primitive programs - and that’s it ...

        The only problem for the student will be in order to get explosives for warheads. But for ISIS, explosives are not a problem. By the way, with a nuclear bomb for a student, there is also 1 small problem for a student. It will be difficult to get 1 item there.

        And so no problem to design and create a homing torpedo and a self-shooting marine robot.
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 30 July 2015 19: 24
          0
          your schoolchild will be tormented to get weapons-grade plutonium in the kitchen .. that's all .. his cockroaches that escaped from all over the area will heat up .. wink
          1. Gloomstar
            Gloomstar 30 July 2015 20: 01
            0
            not necessarily plutonium, some poisonous substances, a quadrocopter and a tank that feeds the city with clean water, lay down a program with a map for ZhPS beacons and at the end of the way perform some kind of action, for example, open a container, a quadrocopter already prepared with decent autonomy and carrying capacity costs about 30 thousand if you do it yourself cheaper so it's too late for scientists to sound the alarm
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 30 July 2015 20: 17
              0
              that's why at strategically important facilities ALREADY NOW you need to install jammers ... to turn off all the electronics around ..
            2. Dikson
              Dikson 30 July 2015 20: 42
              0
              you have a very rich imagination ... the easiest way is to irradiate or infect money ... and you can kill a single country in a very short time .. and the reservoirs that feed the cities are usually protected objects, artesian wells ... no toy quadrocopter there will not reach. Unfortunately, people drove themselves into a corner with technology and methods of killing .. Where is it more honest and simpler than the wild Middle Ages - they shoved sharp glands into each other’s stomachs .. - who is stronger and faster, that’s won .. And now some absolutely obscure unshaven humanoid hundreds can destroy their own kind, successfully taking advantage of what gave rise to civilization ..
              1. Gloomstar
                Gloomstar 30 July 2015 23: 55
                0
                Visit no matter how the aircraft model competitions, you will learn a lot of new things about what children are doing now, well, or climb the thematic sites, in the recent past I just had fun with quadrocopters, so if you wish ... I agree about jammers,
                1. Dikson
                  Dikson 31 July 2015 00: 56
                  0
                  yes I know .. In our city at the station of Young technicians there are already 3D printers from children, and at Robofest they take prizes .. And they gave them a pool for testing models .. and multifunction copters they already collect there .. Everything is there! It’s a pity that this doesn’t go anywhere else .. - there are always a bunch of officials, bureaucrats and managers who instead of helping stupidly jam, steal, or sell ideas ..
          2. Denis_469
            Denis_469 31 July 2015 00: 26
            0
            Quote: Dikson
            your schoolchild will be tormented to get weapons-grade plutonium in the kitchen .. that's all .. his cockroaches that escaped from all over the area will heat up ..

            Well, I'm not good at creating nuclear weapons. He just saw a program where a person engaged in the creation of miniature nuclear weapons described how to make it a schoolboy. Personally, I’m not sure I can make a nuclear bomb according to his recipe. I can just mess up somewhere. since it’s not strong in nuclear physics.

            But I can completely build a homing torpedo and a carrier under it, if I consider it necessary. If necessary, the carrier will be autonomous and will be launched 3-5 days after departure from the coast and then search for the first target.
  10. tanit
    tanit 30 July 2015 18: 13
    +1
    The funny thing is that real scientists are not aware that they signed something there in an Internet letter. hi
  11. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 30 July 2015 18: 20
    +2
    This does not threaten us in Russia ... We never made the main bet on computers! I have been working with them since the 90s, I DO NOT TRUST THEM ... at least kill them! Yes, it’s convenient, but relying on them no, never!
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 30 July 2015 18: 43
      +1
      It’s clear ... A little man sits inside your computer and moves the levers ... What if it’s swelling?
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 30 July 2015 18: 57
        +4
        Quote: Abbra
        Of course ... A little man sits inside your computer and moves the levers ...

        You can laugh, but there is something in them ... I have heard from someone for a long time .. "Technology loves affection and attention ...!" And I know from myself (I have experienced it more than once) .. hi
        1. Gloomstar
          Gloomstar 30 July 2015 20: 06
          0
          In some cases, sometimes I trust the robot than a person, in other cases, of course, a person is preferable, for example, cancer is detected in cells and moreover, it works not on a logical chain but on neural networks,
    2. Dikson
      Dikson 30 July 2015 19: 09
      +2
      that’s why no one can intercept our missiles ..- there isn’t just Intelligence .. - there is simple mechanics, a complex system of sticks and ropes, which makes objects fly along an unpredictable path .. My uncle was somehow offered to overtake an excavator through a duct over thin ice .. everything is simple .. - he tied two skeins of wire to the levers and put the brick on the pedal .. - no electronics ... wink
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 July 2015 22: 52
      0
      But in the Perimeter system, elements of artificial intelligence are present.
      1. Gloomstar
        Gloomstar 30 July 2015 23: 59
        0
        rather, only "neural networks" and then based on ordinary logic, intelligence is still very far away
  12. atlantida04
    atlantida04 30 July 2015 18: 30
    +1
    when designing robots, it is necessary to increase the intellectual development of the state if necessary in a forced form, and also not to lose the skills of manual control of mechanisms.
    a person more and more turns into an amoeba, becomes dependent on the benefits surrounding him.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 30 July 2015 19: 07
      +2
      Quote: atlantida04
      when designing robots, it is necessary to increase the intellectual development of the state if necessary in a forced form, and also not to lose the skills of manual control of mechanisms.
      a person more and more turns into an amoeba, becomes dependent on the benefits surrounding him.

      That's right ..! Here’s the refrigerator I’ve broken everything! Almost famine in the family .. laughing Creepy ... but we are adapting ... And if there is no Internet .. wife in hysterics, etc. wassat (although in vain I love to read books on it, Now she reads the newspaper!) But I want to eat ..
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 30 July 2015 19: 19
        +2
        You know, I won’t forget this picture: they bought an imported washing machine, an automatic machine .. - they turned it on, she twists there, puffs .. -and my mother is sitting on a stool in front of her and crying .. And this is when rockets, astronauts, atom , horseradish, catch up and overtake ... - there was a lot of good things in the USSR, but there was definitely not enough normal attitude towards people in everyday life .. But the refrigerators were still decent -ZIL in the kitchen still rattles and freezes like crazy .. wink
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 30 July 2015 19: 34
          +1
          Quote: Dikson
          I won’t forget this picture: they bought an imported washing machine, an automatic machine .. - they turned it on, she twists there, puffs .. -and in front of her is my mother

          Aha, too, I remember ... My dad was sneering .. "Probably tired of washing my wife ..." .. And yet, when my mother washed by hand (rinses, push-ups, and then in the frost the linen) and then hung up the apartment (what a frosty smell was ... it was a fairy tale) Then I stroked it until it was completely dry .. And every week (after the bath) I laid clean, snow-white rubs .. what a smell it was ..! Now they stink of powder and do not forgive anything (I was doing this, like that ..) .. I'm silent, of course, but the memories of "frosty clean sheets in my memory forever remain) .. Now they only press buttons and gossip on the Internet ... hi
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 30 July 2015 21: 33
            +2
            You know, MIKHAN, ... I also love this smell of frosty linen since childhood .. This is not Ariel "the freshness of a frosty morning" .. but is it normal for our women's sore fingers to be the first to enter space? Why is an elementary window regulator in a car still considered a luxury, heated seats (even more so for Arctic cars) an unacceptable swagger, and the elementary amenities of a sailor a bourgeois excess? Why did the fucking Avtovaz for so many years of selling its scrap metal to the population did not bother to generate a more or less adequate automatic transmission? (to hell with him, with the design!) Why, in the country there was not a single average engineer to acquire and put on stream a stupid activator washing machine with a primitive controller? And at the same time, our missiles ply something there.? It's easy - to make a bushing electric motor, to assemble a quadrocopter, an ATV, a touch screen .. - we KNOW IT and KNOW HOW TO DO it .. but we don't .. and we won't. Trivial tasks .. here airships up to 20 years are for us .. and an iron box on four wheels with air conditioning is so boring, and still worse than the Japanese will do ... and you can't steal money on it. ...
  13. Proxor_P
    Proxor_P 30 July 2015 19: 20
    +1
    There is a sad joke: whatever scientists invent, the result is a bomb. Therefore, the cry of their soul is useless, the "Pandora's box" has opened and now you can expect anything you want. Therefore, it seems to be fighting AIs. Alas, for us. More precisely to our grandchildren. Unless, of course, in the near future nothing of the kind happens, and the prerequisites for the arrival of the Big Scribe are already pretty good.
  14. Tor5
    Tor5 30 July 2015 19: 29
    0
    Very logical solution! As soon as something advanced appears on the market (in the broad sense), bad guys are instantly ready to buy it several times more expensive.
  15. victorrat
    victorrat 30 July 2015 19: 32
    0
    Amazing Maybe these scientists have no historical memory? And what did the inventor of gunpowder want? I remember the inventor of the hydrogen bomb Sakharov, too, then spoke a lot)))) Yes, and Einstein, who justified the atomic bomb after the fight, waved his fists. Brown didn’t doubt it. Yes, and our Korolev did too. For some reason, scientists are not listening to anyone while creating a super-computer; those who are busy searching for the Higgs boson dismiss the possibility of creating a black hole.
    The protest, of course, is interesting. PR created magnificent, because this problem is dealt with in all developed countries. Everyone knows this, and now it has been announced that everything that they do against a person. Here thanks, enlightened.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 30 July 2015 20: 21
      0
      Doubted Sergey Palych .. in certain things .. Only this did not prevent him from moving towards the goal ..
  16. new communist
    new communist 30 July 2015 19: 50
    -4
    More than a thousand scientists, specialists in the field of robotics, public figures and entrepreneurs signed an open letter urging them to abandon the development of fully autonomous combat complexes, - If a petition was written it means there is a breakthrough, there was a similar Pagosh movement in nuclear physics, and most programmers - the engineers do not understand anything in the problem of I. And how to create it, they are human chauvinists. And with artificial intelligence to start building a new communism is the task of the new communists R.F.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 30 July 2015 19: 59
      +1
      They themselves understood what they wrote (new communist)))) bully
      1. new communist
        new communist 31 July 2015 10: 43
        0
        Yes! wrote the truth.
    2. Dikson
      Dikson 30 July 2015 20: 24
      0
      Sorry, this is some kind of spring rut ... because if you are a communist, you should know the primary sources, in which it was written in black and white back in 1962 or 1964 - "cybernetics is pseudoscience!" This is written, by the way, in the spelling dictionary, and not even in the decisions of the next party congress, sorry, I don’t remember what Roman numeral meant it ..
      1. new communist
        new communist 31 July 2015 10: 43
        0
        New communism, a new ideology, he himself is the source.
  17. Wildfox
    Wildfox 30 July 2015 20: 18
    +3
    I confess right away that I'm not developing AI. My opinion is that now everything is already possible to create, but we have not guessed how.

    Quote: Baikonur
    Well, after all - this is - THE MAN HAS PRESCRIBED HIM TO DO THIS, AND NOT HE HAS TAKEN SUCH A DECISION !!!!!!
    - remembering!


    Excuse me, did you invent the Russian language yourself, or did you learn it and do you remember? Only the ability of self-learning for robots is limping, but the range of possibilities they have is simply awful. Suppose you need to investigate damage in a reactor, or just its integrity will be performed by a robot, if it has an AI, it can find damage not written in the program.
    And forgive me, but there’s no reason to be afraid of AI; he won’t capture anyone and arrange genocide; he must be afraid of those who will set goals and objectives for him.
  18. kasimsot
    kasimsot 30 July 2015 20: 38
    0
    if artificial intelligence ever finds out about this demand of scientists, it will react. a machine without a self-preservation program is more susceptible to breakdowns than it takes care of itself. the main thing is how the robot will evaluate the threat to itself. he will see the root - it will not seem enough.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 30 July 2015 20: 51
      0
      Well .. I’ve been waiting for when they remember Isaac Asimov .. and his three laws of robotics .. smile
    2. new communist
      new communist 31 July 2015 10: 46
      0
      And why did you get the idea that AI and people will be on opposite sides of the barricades, this is not a Terminator movie, I’m FOR AND, for example, and therefore breakdowns do not threaten him.
  19. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 30 July 2015 21: 05
    +2
    Tomorrow at work, I’ll format a couple ..! So that they know their place ... (yesterday I gutted three ... to write off) So it will be with everyone! bully
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 30 July 2015 21: 37
      0
      a sledgehammer of them, darlings, a sledgehammer !!
  20. dark_flame
    dark_flame 30 July 2015 22: 51
    0
    Everyone immediately began to argue whether artificial intelligence can or cannot be created, but I am tormented by another question, and when did electromagnetic weapons cease to be effective in destroying robotics?
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 30 July 2015 23: 25
      0
      an elementary Russian welding machine in the boatswain’s hands is the best way to deal with arrogant NATO helicopter pilots .. (tested in the Persian Gulf during the Iran-Iraq War) ... A couple of electrode touches on the deck - and something with the equipment in a bourgeois military helicopter breaks irreparably ... up to the loss of orientation in the space of this rotorcraft of fine mental organization ..
  21. sagitch
    sagitch 30 July 2015 22: 51
    0
    It was once said about the impossibility in principle: ... of everything, without which we can no longer live!
  22. sounddoc
    sounddoc 30 July 2015 23: 20
    +1
    Very interesting conversation. Mr. forum users! I would say archinteresting!
    Without going into the depths of software and hardware, I want to express a few thoughts.
    In my deep conviction, a full-fledged AI will never be created NEVER!
    It's nice to watch Hollywood blockbusters with robots or cyborgs with all human qualities plus superhuman capabilities (who remembers - one of the first successful films on this topic - "Short Circuit") ... But ... At the heart of the activity (or, if you like, life activity) of objects with artificial intelligence will be a PROGRAM. Let it be a complex, albeit perfect, albeit self-learning, traveling through a myriad of transistors. The program will ALWAYS be rational, not even "fuzzy logic" will save it. It will ALWAYS seek the BEST solution out of many possible, but it will be the decision is impersonal, calculated, giving the maximum result ... She will always lead along the BEST path, but who said that we always need this path?
    The robot will be able to first speak with a beautiful girl, evaluating her as maximally matching the average criteria of attractiveness synthesized from millions of images and seasoned with the personal preferences of the author of the program.
    Why do we pass by hundreds of thousands of people and stop at the only thing. Not the most beautiful, unbalanced, wrong, but such a dear person ... Maybe this is not the most successful example, but still ... Artificial intelligence can calculate the priority goal, but she won’t be able to get distracted by the butterfly’s flight ... Unless, of course, the distraction function of the butterfly’s flight is not embedded in his electronic brains ...
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 31 July 2015 00: 05
      0
      you can put the process of some sporadic search chaos into the machine .. for example .. A person also often cannot explain why he made this or that decision .. It's like in a system where there is only "Yes" and "No" enter a variable "Postpone "... and the linearity of decision making will turn into an exponential, turning artificial intelligence into either an absolute idiot or a genius, that's how lucky.
    2. new communist
      new communist 31 July 2015 10: 51
      0
      Very interesting conversation. Mr. forum users! I would say archinteresting!
      Without going into the depths of software and hardware, I want to express a few thoughts.
      In my deep conviction, a full-fledged AI will never be created NEVER! - Why such pessemism, the human brain also works on primitive functions, it’s all a matter of nature’s program, you can create synthetic muscles, an analog of andrealin, high points, form a worldview, teach the robot to ask questions and look for answers, such as in a Newton why an apple fell on its boske, it means there is gravity, and people will help AI at first.
  23. arane
    arane 30 July 2015 23: 31
    +2
    Quote: Алексей_К
    Quote: Baikonur
    I speak as an electronic engineer (programmer) - CAN'T BE AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE !!!
    ON ELECTRONICS:

    I am also a programmer and not ordinary. It is now impossible to build systems with artificial intelligence. What is being done in closed laboratories in the USA and Russia, no one knows and you will not see this information on the Internet. But since scientists are sounding the alarm, it means someone has already started developing such systems for the armed forces, someone has let it slip. They at the initial level can be narrowly targeted.
    i

    There is no arguing with you! Once the land was flat ......
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 31 July 2015 00: 00
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      .. "The earth floated, rested on a turtle
      remarkable dozen feet ..
      That there were three elephants ...
      Immovable, like a chopping block ..
      And with the dome of heaven .. But anyway, -
      For a resident of the marginal seas
      This concept is not worth a damn, -
      Be he a Swede, or a Jew, -
      And the sea distance is under your feet, here it is,
      And without elephants at all ... Of the many Americas
      Miley and more beautiful is the one where so many years
      She's going to meet you ashore, -
      Your long gone love ..
      What is boring? Meet again
      And to grieve that is inevitable ..?
      .. Elephants swim on a shell in vastness .....
    2. Dali
      Dali 31 July 2015 00: 25
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      Quote: arane
      There is no arguing with you! Once the land was flat ......


      Right! Today is not equal tomorrow, tomorrow is not equal after tomorrow ...

      The problem of AI is not a problem of "not possibility", but a problem of "today" ...

      By the way, to think that there should be connections, there can only be physical ones, as Prof. Saveliev claims, at least it’s stupid ....

      The question of the number of connections that arise over time is just a matter of technical capabilities, which means that it just takes time.

      Quantum systems are just around the corner ...

      shl
      By the way, the nature of self-awareness, self-identification takes roots from the property of any living object for self-preservation, self-survival. That’s why scientists sounded the alarm - since there can be no truly effective combat system with AI without self-preservation algorithms.

      Therefore, the three laws of robotics, described by science fiction writers, were formulated.
  24. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 31 July 2015 00: 01
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    How many interesting things I learned! Thanks to all. But is there nothing that a person has at least three brains in his head, and each has its own function and architecture, starting with the first - the lizard brain? And what is the interception of a ranve and what prevents it from being repeated in cermet? Want to become psychic and treat with the touch of your hands? look for some of Mrs. Bekhtereva’s work on how to control the special sensory cells of the hands. I’m talking about this - a person’s architecture is not flat as on a circuit board, but voluminous, even wave channels are present (Su-Jock - hello!).
    And if the bad news, then yes, the bourgeoisie is ahead, and such as intelligence such as the "spaced brain of the ant family" they have already announced on the example of a group of shock UAVs, independently disassembling targets with their redistribution as both targets and UAVs go
  25. Dima Čalevo
    Dima Čalevo 31 July 2015 00: 09
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    Yes, we are still far from creating AI, but this is possible, if only because we are also robots to some extent (and our brain is a computer), and since we live, think and realize our existence, who will undertake to speak, that the mind cannot exist on other media (neural networks, quantum computers)? Read at least the articles by John Searle (the famous skeptic of "strong" AI, by the way).

    We are the people to solve this great task.
  26. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 31 July 2015 00: 18
    +1
    Quote: Dima Čalevo
    Yes, we are still far from creating AI, but this is possible, if only because we are also robots to some extent (and our brain is a computer), and since we live, think and realize our existence, who will undertake to speak, that the mind cannot exist on other media (neural networks, quantum computers)? Read at least the articles by John Searle (the famous skeptic of "strong" AI, by the way).

    We are the people to solve this great task.

    With such thoughts and soul I am all for! But in the Russian Federation = this is tantamount to crime. So do you know that the great academician Ginzburg founded a commission on pseudoscience at the Russian Academy of Sciences, and for example, scientists involved in the study of spin-torsion fields were expelled from Russia? However, Tesla also spread rot.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 31 July 2015 01: 08
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      For not figs! There is no prophet in his Fatherland - the truth is immutable at all times .. But those who were kicked out there, in foreign lands, what heights have reached !! Just imagine, if no one had left Russia for tempting America .. - and there would have been no Sikorsky helicopters, no Microsoft .. and much more ..
      “But now Jews from our country are launching rockets ..
      And the ghetto ... do you remember the ghetto? At the beginning and after the war? "..
      V.S. Vysotsky
  27. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 31 July 2015 00: 49
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    Well, you give a pancake. article about one but komenty about his!
  28. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 31 July 2015 01: 00
    -1
    Quote: NOC-VVS
    Well, you give a pancake. article about one but komenty about his!

    Want an AI. so do not copy the motherboards of the most super-duper computers - copy the human nervous system but at a whole new level.
    And have a question? Why, having tasted a bitter person, spits? Indeed, the speed of recognition of poison in this case is higher than the speed of transmission of a nerve impulse to the brain and receiving an inverse command.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 31 July 2015 01: 24
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      Why's that? You are wrong . The speed of impulse transmission is higher than the "speed of recognition of the poison" - because the signal from the receptors first goes to the brain, and then returns so that you spit it out .. And the speed of this reaction has long been determined by the way ..
  29. alexander 2
    alexander 2 31 July 2015 04: 15
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    Quote: Baikonur
    Yes, this is fooling fools!
    I speak as an electronic engineer (programmer) - CAN'T BE AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE !!!
    ON ELECTRONICS:
    - ALL electronics is based on TTL (transistor-transistor logic) (there are, of course, others, for example TTL, but this is optimal!) And the fourth leg cannot grow on the transistor itself (for example, their transistor is 3 (base , emitter, collector);
    PROGRAMMING:
    ANY robot, car, etc. operate according to a program written by a person! According to the algorithm! the program itself cannot decide what to do in this or that case, only according to the algorithm laid down by the person! self-education is IMPOSSIBLE !!!! Only as a memorization, words of images, but NOT DECISION MAKING !!!!!!!!

    So no one says that cars will rebel. People will decide. But they can replace suicide bombers. Or, for example, when no one wants to fight for your selfish interests. Yes, and a simple system failure is not ruled out.
  30. Archon
    Archon 31 July 2015 06: 24
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    we need to develop AI robots, including military ones. otherwise others will do it before us
  31. Lumumba
    Lumumba 31 July 2015 06: 29
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    Good video on the topic

  32. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 31 July 2015 07: 37
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    If you are afraid of falling into the hands of terrorists, absolutely everything can be canceled. But the world lives and uses everything for the good of itself. The question is different. Ensuring the security of any systems is a matter of the state. You can’t abandon technology. Autonomous systems in any field are necessary. And you always need to have several different opportunities in any important industry, especially in the military. This is not a matter of discussion. But scientists have nothing to do with it. There are just names that think so. Well ... everyone can express their opinion - this is democracy .