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The massive transition of the Afghan military to the Taliban

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More than 120 military from the security service of Afghanistan went over to the side of the extremist Taliban, reports RIA News message agency "Xinhua."

The massive transition of the Afghan military to the Taliban


Afghan soldiers decided to surrender after three days of fighting in the province of Badakhshan (northeast of the country).

“After three days of fierce fighting between government security services and Taliban militants for control of the Tirgaran 125 valley, security officers stopped fighting and joined the militants on Saturday night,” said provincial head Davlat Khavar.

According to the agency, during the clashes, the Taliban lost 20 people killed, the loss of security services - 10 fighters.

Taliban spokesman Zabiulla Mujahid confirmed the capture of the valley by militants, and also announced that control was established over the military base in the area.
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AFP 2015
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  1. Putinets
    Putinets 26 July 2015 13: 51
    +42
    The result of the "help" pin ** sov to the state of Afghanistan. Those who yesterday were against the Taliban today hate their assistants more than yesterday's enemies, and they run away from gender pida *** owls to the Taliban
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 26 July 2015 13: 54
      +20
      The FSHAkals did not specifically destroy the Taliban (the same - their children, like IS), so that later they would unite with IS and incite them against the countries of Eurasia! Make money with "help"!
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      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 26 July 2015 14: 19
        +167
        A story from our own life. Germany, evening school, we learn German. In the classroom there is no one. (In the sense of nationalities). Behind two guys from Afghanistan. Teacher: "Let everyone tell about themselves" And lifts me up first. I say (in German naturally ) I am Russian from Ukraine, etc. She heard the Russian startled and let's talk about the war in Afghanistan. Then, apparently, that everyone would understand that the Russians are bad and fought against Afghanistan, she raises the boys from Afghanistan, so that they would confirm, allegedly, that the Russians are bad, well, whatever. I felt not okay " just in case "So what do you think they said to the whole class ?! They tried to shake my hands, saying that it was bad that the Russians had left Afghanistan and that we (the Russians) had built hospitals and factories for them. The class is naturally in shock, I generally keep quiet about the teacher. Later I was supposedly a headman in the class.
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 26 July 2015 14: 45
          +29
          Thank you! good Pleased. Apparently it came to the bachelors, where d-er-oh-oh, and where is the candy.
          1. tweezers
            tweezers 27 July 2015 01: 11
            -1
            Quote: Captive
            Pleased. Apparently it came to the bachelors, where d-er-oh-oh, and where is the candy.

            and what are you, in fact, happy about? Americans d-e-r-l-o, so after all, the Taliban are not the elite of humanity - they are not at all better than IS ... moreover, such cases are more likely to benefit amers ... they are going to dump from Afghanistan anyway, but getting such "buns" - will do it even faster, thereby saving themselves a lot of money ... what do you think they will spend it on ?, obviously not on humanitarian aid for Donbass ... while the Yankees are sticking out in Afghanistan - this is a dead end and money they go there like water into the sands of the Sahara, and so their hands are untied ... but the fact that this is a failure in foreign policy - so the Yankees are not used to - will twist, they will also try to wrap themselves up in a plus ...
            1. The brightest
              The brightest 27 July 2015 09: 22
              +3
              Under the Talibakh, poppy cultivation was almost completely stopped. Destroyed the custom of turning boys into prostitutes. Under the USA, in Afghanistan all this flourishes. But this is all the lyrics, the prose is that the USA made a drug laboratory from Afghanistan, which poison the CIS, most of all shit flows to Russia.
        2. chehywed
          chehywed 26 July 2015 15: 16
          +12
          Quote: Observer2014
          They climbed my hands to shake, saying that it’s bad that the Russians left Afghanistan and that we (Russians) built hospitals and factories for them

          good True - she is such, you can’t hide, she will always come out.
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 26 July 2015 17: 32
            +20
            we (Russians) built hospitals and factories for them

            From those factories and hospitals, little is now left. The greatest gratitude from the Afghans was caused by the ability of the Shuravi to find water and drill wells and wells in the right place. Where there is water, there life boils. And with water they had a strain.
        3. AZB15
          AZB15 26 July 2015 16: 43
          -91
          Shake hands, yeah, you won’t hide the truth, yeah ... A bunch of pluses from those who forgot the price of that war and 15000 of ours. And what about the million killed Aborigines? Carpet bombing and vacuum bombs ... Only this, dear, I don’t need here about inter-assistance, US bases, etc. heresy. Tea is not fools gathered.
          1. Dali
            Dali 26 July 2015 17: 45
            +45
            Quote: AZB15
            Shake hands, yeah, you won’t hide the truth, yeah ... A bunch of pluses from those who forgot the price of that war and 15000 of ours. And what about the million killed Aborigines? Carpet bombing and vacuum bombs ... Only this, dear, I don’t need here about inter-assistance, US bases, etc. heresy. Tea is not fools gathered.


            1) Sources of information about a million killed in the studio ... !!!

            2) And how many Aboriginal people have been killed since the advent of the Americans ?!

            3) And how many factories and hospitals have built the Americans and their sixth brothers? Although factories for the production of heroin just at times more !!!
          2. Altona
            Altona 26 July 2015 19: 12
            +32
            Quote: AZB15
            Shake hands, yeah, you won’t hide the truth, yeah ... A bunch of pluses from those who forgot the price of that war and 15000 of ours. And what about the million killed Aborigines? Carpet bombing and vacuum bombs ... Only this, dear, I don’t need here about inter-assistance, US bases, etc. heresy. Tea is not fools gathered.

            ------------------------
            In Ukraine, 15000 has accumulated only during the summer campaign of 2014 ... So famously fought with their own population and the militia of the LDNR ... Questions?
            PS Carpet bombing by MLRS of all calibers from "Grad" to "Hurricane" what to do? Phosphorus bombs and chemical weapons ... So, dear, we don't need here about Ukrainian humanity and legality, European choice, etc. heresy. Tea is not fools gathered.
          3. kotvov
            kotvov 26 July 2015 19: 27
            +9
            Tea is not fools gathered. ,,
            Yes, no, there are exceptions.
          4. kocclissi
            kocclissi 26 July 2015 19: 31
            +9
            Something like this:How many 100-200 thousand of us perished in 10 years, and in these 25 years how many people from drugs going from there have bent? Million, two, five? P ---- did I achieve what I wanted ...
          5. ssn18
            ssn18 26 July 2015 20: 14
            +1
            Well, yes, GDP and MOSKALI are to blame.
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          6. Dam
            Dam 27 July 2015 00: 11
            +1
            Yes, I did, there really are no fools (look at the minuses). And the dead in that war were ours! And yours in the ravine gnaw at pa.dal
          7. sagitch
            sagitch 27 July 2015 00: 13
            +2
            - 15000 of the lost, ours ???
            “You're not like ours !?”
          8. Comments
            Comments 27 July 2015 01: 51
            +3
            Shake hands, yeah, you won’t hide the truth, yeah ... A bunch of pluses from those who forgot the price of that war and 15000 of ours. And what about the million killed Aborigines? Carpet bombing and vacuum bombs ... Only this, dear, I don’t need here about inter-assistance, US bases, etc. heresy. Tea is not fools gathered.
            Something about Aboriginal slain (mostly children and women) in the east of Ukraine you are not worried, but began to lament about the killed Afghans or is it a desire to bite Russia more painfully for the fact that it does not allow the "ukram" of these aborigines to be exterminated?
          9. Wolka
            Wolka 27 July 2015 05: 10
            0
            Well, don’t puff out your cheeks, and pretend that you have the best information, but there was a war between the USSR and Afghanistan, more precisely, a war between the superpowers of the USSR and the USA, and Afghanistan was just a theater of war in this war, and in war as in war ... soldier
        4. Wolka
          Wolka 27 July 2015 05: 05
          0
          me, i, zer gut, zer gut, comrad good
      3. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 26 July 2015 16: 11
        +2
        The Americans want to come to us from the other side, well, I hope I will adequately meet them.
      4. gav6757
        gav6757 27 July 2015 02: 07
        0
        Is it not otherwise that the Americans have trained the security service?
        There, where the pin dos Nya visited - chaos and devastation!
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 26 July 2015 13: 55
      +17
      Here is a control card
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            1. Roman Skomorokhov
              Roman Skomorokhov 26 July 2015 14: 43
              +15
              Quote: Doctor
              Yes, I'm a homosexual and me for what you think about me there.


              And what then resentment for the removal of comments?
        3. northern
          northern 26 July 2015 14: 31
          +29
          Yes, here you have no geyropa, no tolerance :-)
          bugger shouting "Alla I'm in the bar" is something :-))
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            1. 0255
              0255 26 July 2015 14: 42
              +17
              Quote: Doctor
              Quote: north
              Yes, here you have no geyropa, no tolerance :-)
              bugger shouting "Alla I'm in the bar" is something :-))

              But if I had the right modera, nobody would have deleted my comments. They don’t like tolerance.hi

              They don’t really like good
              1. Roman Skomorokhov
                Roman Skomorokhov 26 July 2015 14: 44
                +4
                Well, tolerance is good, but not to the same level.
                1. The brightest
                  The brightest 27 July 2015 09: 36
                  +2
                  Tolerance is always bad. Tolerance is a synonym for AIDS in medicine. When the body loses its ability to resist infection. Accordingly, tolerance is the destruction of norms and morality in society. We see how they destroyed the Catholic Church in Gevrop under the pressure of gayness, perverted it. And now the Episcopal Church of England is ready to marry the Sadomites. Moreover, produces in the rank of these same homosexuals. Tolerance is a disease of society.
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                  1. Roman Skomorokhov
                    Roman Skomorokhov 26 July 2015 14: 57
                    +18
                    Quote: Doctor
                    I do not even want to think that the modera is in the head, because there are only homosexuals and ISIS,


                    Well, or as an option, homosexuals, screaming fame igil ... delusions that have to be removed.
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        5. 0255
          0255 26 July 2015 14: 44
          +18
          Quote: Doctor
          Sith? Who is deleting comments for you here?
          By virtue of my religion, I am ready to shout: Allahu akbar! But at the same time I do not bear any aggression.
          They got goats that prevent me from telling the truth. Because of my sexual orientation.

          The Qur'an does not approve of homosexuality.
          1. Warrior Hamilton
            Warrior Hamilton 26 July 2015 20: 10
            +2
            Type in the search engine: "BACH BAZI" .........
            1. 0255
              0255 26 July 2015 20: 24
              +2
              Quote: Warrior Hamilton
              Type in the search engine: "BACH BAZI" .........

              Scored. But in Christian countries, unfortunately, there are also homosexuals, although the Bible also does not allow homosexuality.
              1. Warrior Hamilton
                Warrior Hamilton 27 July 2015 06: 44
                +3
                This is a completely different world, it is incomprehensible to Christians - Europeans. It has been formed for thousands of years. For you, this is homosexual, and for them - bachi bazi or kento. They lived with it, live and will live.
                It would be better not to go to them, and most importantly - DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF!
          2. The brightest
            The brightest 27 July 2015 09: 51
            0
            9 countries where they hate homosexuals http://www.publy.ru/post/9417))) the truth is that they didn’t say a word about the Saudis, they just chop their heads off without ceremony. And here he is indignant that his comments are deleted)))
        6. kil 31
          kil 31 26 July 2015 14: 50
          +1
          Damn it turned out put a plus to the doctor, how to remove.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 July 2015 15: 01
            +15
            Quote: keel 31
            Damn it turned out put a plus to the doctor, how to remove.

            What is there to clean up when his man left. At least pluses, at least minuses
            1. kil 31
              kil 31 26 July 2015 15: 11
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: keel 31
              Damn it turned out put a plus to the doctor, how to remove.

              What is there to clean up when his man left. At least pluses, at least minuses

              They don’t think that he has a lot of support on their site, theirs.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 26 July 2015 15: 20
                +11
                Quote: keel 31
                They don’t think that he has a lot of support on their site, theirs.

                Judging by the fact, the tolerant was driven into the skull, he does not have much support. A couple of freaks like him.
                1. Agarkov Vitaliy
                  Agarkov Vitaliy 26 July 2015 15: 57
                  +15
                  No, well, I don't understand such people. If a person is a homosexual, as he says, then let him sit quietly and be silent about it. No one rushes home to him to interfere with his "joys". But no. He is trying to arrange advertising for himself on all branches.
            2. Revolver
              Revolver 26 July 2015 19: 31
              +3
              And you would tell where it should be, after all, youngsters come to the site here, and these performances of the Doctor can be understood as propaganda of non-traditional relations.
              1. bannik
                bannik 26 July 2015 21: 17
                0
                Yes, here we somehow manage ourselves.
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      4. Asadullah
        Asadullah 26 July 2015 17: 02
        +10
        Here is a control card


        This is not a control card, this is a presence card, and even then it is outdated. For example, there are no coalition forces in Gora. The control map is generally a permanent picture, updated every 12 hours. It serves as a guide for the movement of caravans, for some sections of the route become no-one for a while. In most places they go for money. "Presence" camps also pay for peace, especially in Kandahar and Bamiyan. And the coalition forces do not participate in ground operations, with the exception of specialists. And even then, the marina has its own specifics, in terms of "cleaning up" abandoned villages.

        I have long insisted that communication with the Taliban is necessary. This is a completely different formation than the Arab fundamental groups. If it would be possible to influence the Taliban, then the priority is to support the Pashtuns, who are based on the Pashtunvali codec, and not the fundamental dogmas of Islam. Do not forget, the Taliban does not support the ideas of the Gazavat, an aggressive religious war, nor does it support the idea of ​​spreading its ideas. They are very compact, their priority is the support of local tribes, mainly Pashtuns.
      5. sandrmur76
        sandrmur76 26 July 2015 19: 40
        +1
        By the way, at the second and third spirit (in the photo) on the shoulders of the RPD44. I saw only in the photo and never live.
      6. Wolka
        Wolka 27 July 2015 05: 12
        0
        however beautiful as a rainbow ...
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 26 July 2015 14: 42
      +7
      Come on! When we "helped" it was the same. They will arm, wash, feed the natives, and they are just waiting for the opportunity to dump them into the gang. And this is the best option when dumping. Worse when they start to play Stirlitz. Then a complete paragraph.
    4. avia1991
      avia1991 26 July 2015 18: 36
      +1
      Quote: Putin
      The result of "help" pin ** sov to the state of Afghanistan

      It doesn't really matter whose help was there. 25 years ago, with the departure of the Soviet contingent from Afghanistan, the same thing happened. The reasons, however, were somewhat different - including EBN's refusal to help the then president of Afghanistan. But the result is the same: the mass transfer of the security forces to the Taliban side ... as soon as the external force leaves, everything returns to normal.
    5. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 27 July 2015 09: 12
      0
      I think that all this "idiot" with the transition to the Taliban is directly related to the fact that the Americans actually occupied the Afghans, they pay the elders of the tribe for relative peace in the villages while the trade in poppy seeds, weapons is mined and transported and the IS is being supplied, about any development region, construction of schools, hospitals, in the general development of civilization is out of the question. Moreover, Americans need chaos, because in chaos it is easier to manage gangs and costs less.
      All this, simple Afghan law enforcement guys were tired of stupidly dying the pro-American government, and naturally moved on to those who promise a better world in their country, and maybe even in the World, so IS is a type of Muslim proletariat that unites Muslims against kafirs who they are oppressed by their opinion. True, not only a Christian or a pagan acts as a kafir, but we also say ours, according to faith, an Arab, but of a different sense, but this does not bother the Islamists at all, their eyes have been soaped.
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 26 July 2015 13: 52
    +14
    Near the border of Tajikistan, already 8 thousand have settled ... the United States is silent! Why do you think ..? .. Here I am about it! hi
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    2. Snake AAA
      Snake AAA 26 July 2015 14: 05
      +17
      Yes...!! Soon it’s going to burn, it’s not calm there for a long time, and there is such news !!! Fucking amerikosy from them only troubles, what a filthy nation !!! Anglo-Saxons will not calm down until they finish !!!!
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      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 26 July 2015 14: 21
        +5
        [quote = Healer] [quote = MIKHAN] Near the border of Tajikistan is already 8 thousand
        No one will stop us! Glory to ISIS! I regained my sight and saw paradises with 30 virgins. Allahu akbar! [/ Quote]
        Well done per..l! laughing
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        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 July 2015 14: 28
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Well done per..l!

          Mikhan, yes it’s a gesture, some comments have been deleted, due to the complete informat wassat
          1. The brightest
            The brightest 27 July 2015 09: 56
            0
            This is a turn))) We envy)))))
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      3. atalef
        atalef 26 July 2015 14: 23
        +29
        Quote: Doctor
        I saw and saw paradises with 30 virgins

        Virgins
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 26 July 2015 14: 36
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Doctor
          I saw and saw paradises with 30 virgins

          Virgins

          Smiled)
          1. Iskander-Khan
            Iskander-Khan 26 July 2015 15: 15
            -8
            How many virgins on VO became that it wasn’t a ladle or a general de --- nick or de --- il
        2. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 26 July 2015 14: 49
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          Virgins

          By queuing up for the Doctor's ass! wassat
        3. Revolver
          Revolver 26 July 2015 19: 33
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Doctor
          I saw and saw paradises with 30 virgins

          Virgins

          So?

          amamamamamamamamamamamam
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      5. Prisoner
        Prisoner 26 July 2015 14: 52
        +3
        So judging by the previous post (... They got goats that prevent me from telling the truth. Because of my sexual orientation. (C)) 30 virgins would be more suitable for you. laughing
    4. Asadullah
      Asadullah 26 July 2015 17: 08
      +4
      There, the border of Tajikistan is close only geographically. To cross it physically, you need to walk a little parallel with it, sometimes moving away. These are mountains in which Americans can only lose sides. If the flyer manages to catapult, I don’t even know where he will land, then I need to be Batman.
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  4. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 26 July 2015 13: 53
    +11
    I have always respected professional orientalists! How can you understand all the intricacies of the "Eastern" mentality, psychology, religious movements, intertribal relations ?! belay Yes, this is not a primitive and predictable Europe!
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 26 July 2015 14: 09
      +6
      Quote: ALABAY45
      I have always respected professional orientalists! How can you understand all the intricacies of the "Eastern" mentality, psychology, religious movements, intertribal relations ?! belay Yes, this is not a primitive and predictable Europe!

      Well, Russia has always understood all the "subtleties" of the East! Even our cosmonauts, before their flight into space, watched the film "White Sun of the Desert" .. Why do you think ..? bully
    2. hrych
      hrych 26 July 2015 14: 29
      +7
      Just do not, at the very least, Europe has built a social society with the highest level of medicine and education, which routinely uses atomic and rocket technologies, including the study of outer space. Yes, there are problems with tolerance, most of them with migrants. And here everything is clear and understandable clan-tribal system, with bloody religious cults that differ little in ritual, the basis of the mumble of mantras with down swinging of the head and crawling on his knees. Tribal relations relate to how to rob and slaughter a neighbor. At the expense of the primitive of Europe, in comparison with these, even cooler, there is the level of culture, mmmm, in general, they don’t even use paper to wipe their backs, lice, fleas, worms ... and the level of education is fantastic, well, most of the diplomas are unknown, but there are plantations opium poppy, slaves, dumplings and other delights. Homosexuality, pedophilia (bachism) and bestiality are just the norm, in Europe the majority does not accept this, even though Masons impose them (in Paris, hundreds of thousands went against it). By the way, in Europe there are a lot of peoples with their own literature and culture, if anything, Europeans should not be made faceless. And the psychology of these tribes is generally good, rather not to psychologists, but to psychiatrists.
      1. Alexanderrr
        Alexanderrr 26 July 2015 15: 08
        +3
        don't make Europeans a faceless mass

        As long as their governments to the tune of the United States impose sanctions against Russia, they-they are!
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 26 July 2015 14: 55
      0
      good "East is a delicate matter" (c)
  5. Vend
    Vend 26 July 2015 13: 55
    +17
    For better or worse, I don’t know, but when the Taliban was in power, the flow of Afghan drugs stopped. For the cultivation of opium poppy, the Taliban broke the legs of the peasants. I am already beginning to doubt whether the Taliban shot the Buddha? Judging by ISIS, it was fabricated by US specialists. Although maybe I'm wrong. But it is very similar.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 26 July 2015 14: 16
      +8
      All this is the result of the fact that we "indulge" the United States and Israel, who, with the help of their terrorist friends, want to get as close to Russia as possible and light a new "fire" of war there in Central Asia. They started from Libya, Syria, then Ukraine, where they directly managed to confront the Slavs and now a new point of instability is Afghanistan, and then our former republics and it is not known which of them will be able to fight as bravely as the Syrian people.
      But all this closes in on us, Russia, this is the main goal of the US and Israeli regimes, they want to destroy us and plunge our country into chaos. Once they almost succeeded in the 90s, but we were reborn again and this "infuriates" them. They need a weak begging Russia living on handouts and loans.
      Therefore, with the help of sponsors of terrorists and bandits in the United States and Israel, various movements of maniacs, including Afghanistan, are gaining strength.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 26 July 2015 14: 52
      0
      The same doubts torment.
    3. Victorio
      Victorio 26 July 2015 15: 14
      +1
      Quote: Wend
      For better or worse, I don’t know, but when the Taliban was in power, the flow of Afghan drugs stopped. For the cultivation of opium poppy, the Taliban broke the legs of the peasants. I am already beginning to doubt whether the Taliban shot the Buddha? Judging by ISIS, it was fabricated by US specialists. Although maybe I'm wrong. But it is very similar.

      ====
      when they take all the power in Afghanistan, then they will establish drug trafficking under some kind of ideological base, the top people need to live well
      1. Vend
        Vend 26 July 2015 15: 37
        +2
        Quote: Victorio
        Quote: Wend
        For better or worse, I don’t know, but when the Taliban was in power, the flow of Afghan drugs stopped. For the cultivation of opium poppy, the Taliban broke the legs of the peasants. I am already beginning to doubt whether the Taliban shot the Buddha? Judging by ISIS, it was fabricated by US specialists. Although maybe I'm wrong. But it is very similar.

        ====
        when they take all the power in Afghanistan, then they will establish drug trafficking under some kind of ideological base, the top people need to live well

        The top will never be poor, there’s nothing to do with drugs for them, and so the income will be.
  6. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 26 July 2015 14: 00
    +2
    I have the impression that in the east, your favorite movie is a wedding in a robin! Especially the moment when the headman changes hats, “the power changes!” It’s painfully easy to change all the sneakers on the move, today it’s white, tomorrow it’s red, after tomorrow it is green! accompanied by a carnival with fireworks (war type)
    1. Snake AAA
      Snake AAA 26 July 2015 14: 08
      +1
      East is a delicate matter!!!
  7. Sergey p.
    Sergey p. 26 July 2015 14: 17
    +3
    Afghan in his repertoire - swears friendship and fidelity, and then shoots in the back ...
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 26 July 2015 14: 35
      +5
      Quote: Sergey p.
      Afghan in his repertoire - swears friendship and fidelity, and then shoots in the back ...

      Afghanistan, not a single country in the world has been able to conquer .. the USSR tried to build hospitals, factory schools .. (shuravi often remember us ...)))) But alas .. USA inserted sticks into the wheels .. Now the poppy plantations are being guarded. ..! And they are pushing militants to the Russian border .. and we are waiting! Everything is shot there .. (we can provide the coordinates for the Taliban)))) And we can agree with them .. It’s not for nothing that our guys died there anyway .. Now these spirits are on our border .. hi
      1. dvg79
        dvg79 27 July 2015 06: 02
        0
        Come on, Afghanistan is like the elusive Joe, and if anyone wanted to conquer Macedon, the Scythians were Kushans, Mongols. At first the English were burned of course, but then they still set their ruler and left there with the assistance of the USSR. In general, all these invincible countries and peoples of the East A detailed examination was carried out at the expense of assistance from the USSR and China, mainly DPRK, Vietnam, etc. And before that they were conquered by everyone. I don’t know what fairy tales are told in Vietnam, I haven’t been there and worked for three years in the DPRK, but I suspect it is no worse. Afghanistan is also controlled. Key points are controlled, and no one needs to follow every gang of goat security.
  8. VadimSt
    VadimSt 26 July 2015 14: 30
    +5
    Interesting! Prepared by the Americans Cuban Contras, South Vietnamese - defeated. Iraqis, either flee or go over to the side of ISIS. Afghans, the same picture, although fighting spirit and the ability to fight Afghans have been known for a long time, since the time of Alexander the Two-Horned. Question? Where will the Ukrainian troops run, which they also prepare today.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 26 July 2015 14: 48
      +4
      Quote: VadimSt
      Interesting! Prepared by the Americans Cuban Contras, South Vietnamese - defeated. Iraqis, either flee or go over to the side of ISIS. Afghans, the same picture, although fighting spirit and the ability to fight Afghans have been known for a long time, since the time of Alexander the Two-Horned. Question? Where will the Ukrainian troops run, which they also prepare today.

      To Russia to earn money or from non-coming demobilization.
    2. alone
      alone 26 July 2015 18: 19
      +1
      Quote: VadimSt
      Afghans, the same picture, although fighting spirit and the ability to fight Afghans have been known for a long time, since the time of Alexander the Two-Horned.


      Most of the Taliban troops in the 90s were former soldiers of the Afghan army, which was trained by Soviet instructors.

      The Afghans have one mentality, they do not like strangers in their territory.
  9. Signaller
    Signaller 26 July 2015 14: 47
    0
    In surprised. East is a delicate matter. Here green grandmothers decide everything. What is not for little money can always be bought for big. In our USSR, there were few such greens, therefore, gardens, polyclinics, schools, factories. Amerikosov apparently also not a lot with them. There are 100 do not get off. Here 100000 is necessary.
  10. mihasik
    mihasik 26 July 2015 14: 53
    +12
    Quote: Doctor

    By virtue of my religion, I am ready to shout: Allahu akbar! But at the same time I do not bear any aggression.
    They got goats that prevent me from telling the truth. Because of my sexual orientation.

    And Allah permits sodomy?)) You do not disgrace fellow believers. And then they will find and it will be something like this:
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 July 2015 14: 59
    +1
    More than 120 military from Afghanistan’s security forces sided with Taliban extremist movement

    Not the first and not the last. If the East is a delicate matter, then Afghanistan is a dark and unpredictable affair.
  12. NDR-791
    NDR-791 26 July 2015 15: 19
    +1
    Let's think sensibly. The Taliban separated Afghanistan from the "infidel filth," namely, according to Sharia, a peasant cannot grow drugs in excess of the norm (for domestic consumption). And he could not from the 89th to 2001. The Americans came and closed the traffic on themselves. They drove the Taliban to the South, it turns out to India and Pakistan. At the same time, those who went to the north, the US defended Masud and became our friend, and the Afghans remember the "road of death." In the south of Afghanistan, such a boiler that not only the State Department, but the devil will now break his leg. The Pakistani tribal zone has long been artificially overpopulated and people will flee ... but where?
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 26 July 2015 19: 29
      +1
      Hello - this is when you know the story. The Taliban destroyed the drug addicts in the late 90s, when Afghanistan became actually theirs. Only Dostum and Masood in the north resisted the Taliban. Heroin in those days for the price skyrocketed. But the Yankees came and ... you know everything yourself. hi
  13. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 26 July 2015 15: 26
    -2
    Quote: Snake AAA
    Yes...!! Soon it’s going to burn, it’s not calm there for a long time, and there is such news !!! Fucking amerikosy from them only troubles, what a filthy nation !!! Anglo-Saxons will not calm down until they finish !!!!

    These are Jewish Jews, my friend, they are all green "extract" !!!
  14. sv68
    sv68 26 July 2015 15: 49
    0
    here you have the whole rupee trifle, all American education and training is not worth a penny if there is a massive transition to the other side. for the Afghans the Taliban are a thousand times closer than the United States with its candy wrappers, so the Taliban will sooner or later subjugate all of Afghanistan and We will be many times more problems, which is only in the hands of the United States.
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 July 2015 15: 50
    +2
    You need to understand the main thing_Afghans do not accept the concept of "state". They, like the Caucasians, have the concept of a tribe, clan, teip, family, clan ... And their main duty is not to let their clan weaken / die out. Therefore, in case of danger of being killed, they easily leave the civil service / army / police and surrender to the Taliban in order to stay alive. That's all. Therefore, one should not expect heroism there when defending state interests.
  16. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 26 July 2015 16: 05
    0
    afghan and war is bad for us too
  17. Proxor_P
    Proxor_P 26 July 2015 16: 18
    0
    It is not good! How right was Comrade Brezhnev associates that decided to place our army there. And it is unfortunate that Gov.nyuk Misha the Tagged easily passed all this. Now we have, and we have, we have: a terrorist (and not Toko!) Threat from the South.
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 26 July 2015 16: 47
      +1
      Quote: Proxor_P
      It is not good! How right was Comrade Brezhnev associates that decided to place our army there. And it is unfortunate that Gov.nyuk Misha the Tagged easily passed all this. Now we have, and we have, we have: a terrorist (and not Toko!) Threat from the South.

      That tagged traitor, completely agree.
      At the expense of Afgan, I will just remind you that no one has won the locals there at all times. And the fact that the "former" Taliban fraternize "with the" former "Afghans when they meet in our time, only says that everything is known in comparison and from lesser evils, the Soviets now seem to be an ideal for them.
      But if Russian troops enter Afghanistan again, there will be Groundhog Day and everything will be repeated again.
  18. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 26 July 2015 16: 32
    0
    ISAF seamlessly transitions to ISIS
  19. AZB15
    AZB15 26 July 2015 17: 20
    0
    Quote: mihasik
    Quote: Proxor_P
    It is not good! How right was Comrade Brezhnev associates that decided to place our army there. And it is unfortunate that Gov.nyuk Misha the Tagged easily passed all this. Now we have, and we have, we have: a terrorist (and not Toko!) Threat from the South.

    That tagged traitor, completely agree.
    At the expense of Afgan, I will just remind you that no one has won the locals there at all times. And the fact that the "former" Taliban fraternize "with the" former "Afghans when they meet in our time, only says that everything is known in comparison and from lesser evils, the Soviets now seem to be an ideal for them.
    But if Russian troops enter Afghanistan again, there will be Groundhog Day and everything will be repeated again.


    Why sow ignorance? "I will remind ...." What will I remind you? I can list all the conquerors from the Persian state to the Persian empire - if you understand the difference. All and sundry have conquered.

    People will see bl ... all types of "9 companies" and come on ... "did not win."
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 26 July 2015 18: 05
      +1
      Quote: AZB15
      All and sundry conquered.

      That's for sure, there were Scythians too tough on the teeth of the Indo-Greeks ... Whom were there: the Huns, the Sassanids, and the Ephthalites, and the Turks, and the Mongols ...
  20. Type 63
    Type 63 26 July 2015 17: 40
    0
    Quote: AZB15
    Quote: mihasik
    Quote: Proxor_P
    It is not good! How right was Comrade Brezhnev associates that decided to place our army there. And it is unfortunate that Gov.nyuk Misha the Tagged easily passed all this. Now we have, and we have, we have: a terrorist (and not Toko!) Threat from the South.

    That tagged traitor, completely agree.
    At the expense of Afgan, I will just remind you that no one has won the locals there at all times. And the fact that the "former" Taliban fraternize "with the" former "Afghans when they meet in our time, only says that everything is known in comparison and from lesser evils, the Soviets now seem to be an ideal for them.
    But if Russian troops enter Afghanistan again, there will be Groundhog Day and everything will be repeated again.


    Why sow ignorance? "I will remind ...." What will I remind you? I can list all the conquerors from the Persian state to the Persian empire - if you understand the difference. All and sundry have conquered.

    People will see bl ... all types of "9 companies" and come on ... "did not win."

    If you "conquer" - take the capital, then yes, they did. Only here at night the conquerors could safely leave?
    1. AZB15
      AZB15 26 July 2015 17: 44
      -2
      Citizen "Type 63", are you in the subject (I mean history as a science), or did you pass by?

      I’ll add manenko. To put the dots over e, so to speak. Timur had one son, so where did he lodge with headquarters, family and army?

      I will add it. In principle, after the passage about the "capital", everything is clear.
  21. AZB15
    AZB15 26 July 2015 18: 07
    -11
    Quote: Dali
    Quote: AZB15
    Shake hands, yeah, you won’t hide the truth, yeah ... A bunch of pluses from those who forgot the price of that war and 15000 of ours. And what about the million killed Aborigines? Carpet bombing and vacuum bombs ... Only this, dear, I don’t need here about inter-assistance, US bases, etc. heresy. Tea is not fools gathered.


    1) Sources of information about a million killed in the studio ... !!!

    2) And how many Aboriginal people have been killed since the advent of the Americans ?!

    3) And how many factories and hospitals have built the Americans and their sixth brothers? Although factories for the production of heroin just at times more !!!



    About a million.
    Apparently, the losses of the opposition groups can be taken into account only in the total mass of the population, the estimates of the losses of which vary widely. So, as of the 1987 year, according to USAID, 875 thousand people died in Afghanistan, according to the Gallup study - 1,2 million people [8]. The largest estimate of total irretrievable population losses found in the literature is 1,5-2 million people, but they seem to be overvalued to the author. The number of refugees is traditionally estimated at 5,7 million in the 1987 year and 6,2 million in the 1990 in Pakistan, Iran and some other countries
    Mendkovich’s article is an expert at the Center for the Study of Modern Afghanistan (CISA).

    On June 7 of June 1988, in his speech at a meeting of the UN General Assembly, the President of Afghanistan M. Najibullah said that “from the beginning of hostilities in 1978 to the present day” (that is, until 7.06.1988), 243,9 thousand government troops have died in the country, security agencies, civil servants and civilians, including 208,2 thousand men, 35,7 thousand women and 20,7 thousand children under the age of 10 years; 77 thousand people were injured, including 17,1 thousand women and 900 children under the age of 10 years [70]. According to other sources, 18 thousand troops [71] were killed.

    The exact number of Afghans killed in the war is unknown. The most common figure is 1 million dead; available estimates range from 670 thousand civilians to 2 million in total [72]. According to the researcher of the Afghan war from the USA, Professor M. Kramer: “During the nine years of the war, more than 2,7 million Afghans (mostly civilians) were killed or maimed, several million more were in the ranks of refugees, many of whom left the country” [73 ]. Apparently, the separation of the victims into soldiers of the government army, mujahideen and civilians does not seem to exist.
    This is Wikipedia.

    I can go to the UN archive, if there are open documents, I’ll rummage.

    2-3) And where does the Americans, and the factories. I'm talking about carpet bombing of General Dudaev and ammunition volumetric explosion. In principle, it makes no difference to me that of course you can’t say how many mattresses were shot, but let's talk about our Soviet affairs.

    4) If you think that an armed invasion of a neighboring country and the assassination of the incumbent head of state are inter-help, then what can I say? Like, ah, Vietnam, Grenada, the damned imperialists, and like Afghanistan, so inter-power. Spies and scouts.
    It is necessary to call a spade a spade. Yes, the Soviet Union, by virtue of Kh.Z. of what circumstances, whether Ustinov or Gromyko imagined insanity, made an armed invasion of a neighboring country, heaped a bunch of corpses of his young guys there, and scandalized a mountain of local corpses with the whole world, corrupted home Olympics, pass .... an immense amount of money, which was one of the causes of the crisis in the country, and got a big and thick BOLT for it.
    1. Dali
      Dali 26 July 2015 21: 50
      +1
      Quote: AZB15
      This is Wikipedia.
      Well tady understand, this pedia is the most truth ... laughing

      Quote: AZB15
      And what does the Americans, and the factories. I'm talking about carpet bombing of General Dudaev and ammunition volumetric explosion. In principle, it makes no difference to me that of course you can’t say how many mattresses were shot, but let's talk about our Soviet affairs.
      Well, you’re a demagogue - like a hospital and a factory in Afghanistan, the Union built, but things are still not Soviet ... ёёёёёёёёёёёёёёёё belay
      And the Americans have nothing to do with it, of course - 120 people in the Taliban have gone from nothing to do ... by the way, how many Americans are already in Afghanistan?

      Quote: AZB15
      dubbed home the Olympics, pro .... an immense amount of money, which was one of the causes of the crisis in the country, and received a large and thick BOLT for it.
      The reason for the crisis is that Wishlist's Wishlist go to the gentlemen ...

      shl
      As all the same, permanent residence in Dill (in Ukraine) acts ... laughing
  22. sounddoc
    sounddoc 26 July 2015 18: 27
    +8
    Quote: AZB15
    Shake hands, yeah, you won’t hide the truth, yeah ... A bunch of pluses from those who forgot the price of that war and 15000 of ours. And what about the million killed Aborigines? Carpet bombing and vacuum bombs ... Only this, dear, I don’t need here about inter-assistance, US bases, etc. heresy. Tea is not fools gathered.

    “Apparently, the losses of opposition groups can only be taken into account in the general mass of the population, the estimates of the losses of which are very different. So, as of 1987, according to USAID, 875 thousand people died in Afghanistan, according to the Gallup study - 1,2 million people. [8] The largest estimate of the total irrecoverable losses of the population found in the literature is 1,5-2 million people, but the author thinks they are overestimated.The number of refugees is traditionally estimated at 5,7 million people in 1987 and 6,2 million in 1990 on the territory of Pakistan, Iran and some other states [9] However, it is important to note that a significant part of the persons registered as “refugees” were Afghan migrant workers, thus seeking to legalize themselves abroad and hoping to receive humanitarian aid. the number was high in the pre-war period, so in the early 1970s up to 1 million people left Afghanistan in order to find work. Therefore, estimate the real percentage of those whoforced to leave Afghanistan during the war is not easy. "(FROM)
    Let's try to simplify the problem: take the average ceiling of one million Afghans and divide it by 3650 days (10 years). At the exit, we get about 274 people a day. Next we take Vietnam, I quote Vicki: "The death toll of civilians in both parts of the country between 1954 and 1975 is estimated at 2 million people", which means losses - 261 people a day. The numbers are very relative, but the losses are comparable. Taking into account the intensity of the hostilities in Afghanistan and Vietnam, a natural question arises - are not our dear "truthful" "white-toothed Eurogei and Pindogei" sounding?
    Although, if you are from Svidomo. I soared in vain ... After all, in the Donbass thousands of GRU special forces, Pskov paratroopers, armored Altai Buryats, who are mowed by unkillable cyborgs, die ... And shanovy?
    1. AZB15
      AZB15 26 July 2015 18: 36
      -16
      I have already written to one such type of you: I DIDN'T SAVE THE PIG WITH YOU, AND I DIDN'T DRINK ON THE BROWDER, SO BE FAVORABLE, IN COMMUNICATION WITH UNKNOWN PEOPLE TO BE MYSELF.

      The second one. Keep an eye on the bazaar and questions. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation for permanent residence in Ukraine.

      The third. About the losses in Afghanistan, we can talk endlessly, there are no exact data EVEN up to tens of thousands of people. And what's the difference, 200000 of our thousands have failed, or a million? Does it change anything?
      1. IGS
        IGS 26 July 2015 18: 47
        +4
        "Vague doubts torment" wassat For you, how is it right "in Ukraine" or "in Ukraine". There is a certain Gaidar, too, like a citizen of the Russian Federation.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 27 July 2015 02: 26
          0
          Quote: IGS
          "Vague doubts torment" wassat For you, how is it right "in Ukraine" or "in Ukraine". There is a certain Gaidar, too, like a citizen of the Russian Federation.

          It is customary to write in Russian "in Ukraine" since the time of the colonial rule of Austria over Ukraine. Before that, Ukraine (Transcarpathia) was not a state at all, therefore it was called the Outskirts or Ukraine. Ukraine meant "the outskirts of the Austrian Empire". But now Ukrainians are demanding to speak and write "in Ukraine", because now it is a state, and they talk about the state "in Russia, in Germany, in Romania, etc." Therefore, in Russia, for diplomatic reasons, they delicately switch to the expression "in Ukraine."
          1. IGS
            IGS 27 July 2015 11: 31
            0
            "in Ukraine" since the time of Austrian colonial rule over Ukraine
            Well, at least here is not Russia.
            But now the Ukrainians are demanding
            What else do they require? Are you trying to fulfill all their wishes? laughing Good luck in deflection diligence.
            "A bankrupt can ask, but not demand ..." Lavrov S.The.
      2. pv1005
        pv1005 26 July 2015 19: 32
        +5
        AZB15(1)UA
        I already wrote one to that type of you:

        So start with yourself, dear, try yourself not to poke for a start.
        Keep an eye on the bazaar

        Actually, they talk here, bazaars are in a slightly different place.
        I am a citizen of the Russian Federation for permanent residence in Ukraine.

        As they say, they beat it not by passport but by physiognomy. hi
        1. AZB15
          AZB15 26 July 2015 19: 40
          -5
          Quote: pv1005
          AZB15(1)UA
          I already wrote one to that type of you:

          So start with yourself, dear, try yourself not to poke for a start.
          Keep an eye on the bazaar

          Actually, they talk here, bazaars are in a slightly different place.
          I am a citizen of the Russian Federation for permanent residence in Ukraine.

          As they say, they beat it not by passport but by physiognomy. hi


          Do you work as a press secretary at the addressee of my post? He is silent, all sorts of uninvited defenders climb. Behind you, and more attentively. And more careful with expressions.
      3. Dali
        Dali 26 July 2015 21: 37
        +5
        Quote: AZB15
        The second one. Keep an eye on the bazaar and questions. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation for permanent residence in Ukraine.


        You really have nothing to do in Russia ... there on the "nezalezhnoy" and stay ...
  23. Barakuda
    Barakuda 26 July 2015 18: 35
    +1
    And why the heck was the USSR Afghan, the lesson of Port Arthur was forgotten. It would be better if the grandmother invested in the development and strengthening of the Far East, Transbaikalia. No matter how many "experts" I have read, I cannot catch up with one thing.
    Let them cook in their cauldron. Borders should be strengthened, education should be given to the same Tajiks, sometimes shooting with "Grads" if something happens, although in the mountains something else is needed ..
    What did the USSR give, besides the dead and the experience of war? Or show off in front of the USA, Lenka obviously already then thought about the earth, waving documents.
    1. AZB15
      AZB15 26 July 2015 18: 47
      0
      Well, IF I believe various memories, Ilyich was against it.
    2. Dali
      Dali 26 July 2015 22: 08
      +3
      Quote: Barracuda
      And why the hell was the USSR Afghanistan, the lesson of Port Arthur was forgotten.


      Port Arthur he remembered ...

      Isn’t that Afghanistan a border country? They were in vain there ?! belay

      And who is there now - do not know?

      And what granary of white powder did Afghanistan become - don't you know?

      And how many young people in Russia (and in the same Ukraine) have already died from this powder - do not you know?

      And what resources in Afghanistan the Americans are looking for - don't you know? And where would these resources go, whose fortification (not really for "independent" or maybe Russia)? Thank God that the Americans have failed so far - I hope it won't. And if they had not entered, then the Americans would definitely have succeeded ...

      Quote: Barracuda
      What did the USSR give, besides the dead and the experience of war? Or show off in front of the USA, Lenka obviously already then thought about the earth, waving documents.
      Yes, it didn’t give anything - because Humpbacked and his henchmen surrendered ... but it was necessary to completely finish in Afghanistan all the belligerents on the side of americosia and other hangovers of americoses in Afghanistan.
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 26 July 2015 23: 48
        -7
        Quote: Dali
        And what granary of white powder did Afghanistan become - don't you know?
        And after whose "friendly" help did he become a "granary of white powder"? feel
        Quote: Dali
        Isn’t that Afghanistan a border country? They were in vain there ?!
        And what if the border country, then there must be a Russian (Soviet) contingent ?! fool
        It is clear then why many of Russia's neighbors are skipping to NATO belay . And who knows there request ..
        Quote: Nagan
        So?
        You have up to 30, - 18 is not enough ..
        1. Dali
          Dali 27 July 2015 00: 05
          +5
          Quote: Alibekulu
          And after whose "friendly" help did he become a "granary of white powder"?

          And after whose? Are you skewed with dates in your brain?

          Let me remind you, the number of heroin produced has increased many times over many years of American help. And under the Union in Afghanistan, poppy fields were destroyed ... and now the figs ...

          Quote: Alibekulu
          And what if the border country, then there must be a Russian (Soviet) contingent ?!
          It is clear then why many of Russia's neighbors are skipping running into NATO belay. And who knows there
          Well, well ... let's go ahead to the American arms ... Libyans and Iraqis are already catching the buzz ... laughing this is first

          Secondly, and what is needed amerikosny and their six contingent? Or do you think that if the Union had not entered, they would be left alone?

          ps
          Ndass ... and you, if Russia leaves you, your (yours, most likely, since there are enough smart people in Kazakhstan) "enlightened from the West" will leave the opportunity only to graze sheep and camels ... laughing
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 28 July 2015 06: 56
            -1
            Quote: Dali
            Well, well ... let's go ahead in an americaic embrace ...
            Mihalych ?!belay angry , you are, throw your gey manners ..
            Quote: Dali
            Secondly, and what is needed amerikosny and their six contingent? Or do you think that if the Union had not entered, they would be left alone?
            If the Americans bombed Libya and Iraq, this is the rationale for what to do exactly, how are they ?!
            Quote: Dali
            Ndass ... and you, if Russia leaves you, your (yours, most likely, since there are enough smart people in Kazakhstan) "enlightened from the West" will leave the opportunity only to graze sheep and camels ...
            Plague on both of your houses ..
            Once Kazakhs grazed sheep and camels by themselves. Then the "enlightened from the East" came.
            Quote: Dali
            after the arrival of amerikoz
            After the arrival of the internationalist warriors and their fraternal assistance in Afghanistan, up to 2 million Afghans died.
            Quote: Dali
            Or do you think that if the Union had not entered, they would be left alone?
            Once the British Empire thrust in there, and was forced to leave the Afghans alone ..
            Quote: Dali
            today compared with the Soviet period, heroin production in Afghanistan has increased 40 times !!!
            How smart you would have been how many times the production of geych increased from the pre-Soviet period and after .. lol
            From the article "Drugs - the backbone of the Afghan economy?"
            - When did Afghanistan become a drug exporter?
            - The revitalization of this process refers to the early nineties. http://vlasti.net/news/69416
            Those. intensification occurred in the 90's. when about any American military presence, there was no question ..
            Quote: Svetly
            For example, in a decade, about a million people have died from drugs. So, in 10 years we lost thousands of people killed by 15, and now compare a million and fifteen thousand, do you feel the difference?
            How many died from drugs in the USSR, before the introduction of a "limited contingent" into Afghanistan ?!
            Why don't you remember how many millions of peaceful Afghans died?
            You are the reasons, with the consequences do not confuse, O Brightest .. wink
            Maybe it just wasn't necessary to "scratch where you don't scratch"
            Quote: Svetly
            Grobachev
            What is the relation to the issue under discussion?ndbachev ?!
        2. The brightest
          The brightest 27 July 2015 10: 30
          0
          Quote: Alibekulu
          And after whose "friendly" help did he become a "granary of white powder"?
          it has always been made there since the time of the king of peas; the opium wars in China fought just for selling opium from Afghanistan.
          Quote: Alibekulu
          And what if the border country, then there must be a Russian (Soviet) contingent ?!
          Well, actually they introduced counterpart there because the civil war started there, because of the struggle inside the Com Party of Afghanistan. By the time of entry, from 25 thousand civilians to 50 thousand were killed. And Amin himself called us there supposedly as an older brother who helped him to keep order. We were there for a year, watching for purges, prisoners and executions.
          And there is no need to pretend to be a fool here, if the country borders, this means that we are interested in its calm and neutrality. And if this is not necessary, measures should be taken.
          1. Dali
            Dali 28 July 2015 00: 27
            0
            By the way, people with VO have already brought figures - after the advent of americosis and their sixes, today compared with the Soviet period, heroin production in Afghanistan has increased 40 times !!!

            Awww ... Alibekulu ... how are you 40 times or not enough?
          2. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 28 July 2015 07: 09
            -1
            Quote: Svetly
            And do not fool around here
            Well, you do not need to pretend .. feel
            Quote: Svetly
            if the country is bordering it means that we are interested in its calm and neutrality.
            And how, calm came, after the entry of the Soviet troops?
            Quote: Svetly
            By the time of entry, from civilians were killed from 25 thousand to 50 thousand
            Enter in Syria, there are now also thousands of civilians are dying .. And what did not enter into Rwanda? There the bill went to millions ..
            Amin himself called us there
            And that's why he was "soaked" by the Soviet special forces?
            Was there a referendum, a national referendum in Afghanistan? Otherwise, the presence of Soviet troops is illegitimate .. laughing
    3. The brightest
      The brightest 27 July 2015 10: 18
      +3
      Of course I can explain to you, but the point? For example, in about ten years, about a million people die from drugs. So for 10 years we lost 15 thousand people killed, and now compare a million and fifteen thousand, do you feel the difference? And the win is not only the deaths of a million people ... As for money and investments, Grobachev did harm everywhere, for example, what was the cost of cutting down the VINEYARDS. Why didn’t the grape please him? Why it was impossible to sell grapes to the west, to make juices, etc.
  24. Neohumanoyd
    Neohumanoyd 26 July 2015 18: 37
    0
    The puzzle converges - soon we will see a complete picture of what the Americans conceived in the Middle East and Central Asia. We will find out for the sake of what this endless string of seemingly senseless wars was ... And we will become participants in all this ... (My opinion is that the states decided to reduce the world's population to some monstrously comfortable amount) ...
  25. Barakuda
    Barakuda 26 July 2015 18: 55
    0
    And about the "transition". There are the same people there, stop shooting, come to the godfather, brother, grandfather, we will eat and shoot at those who interfere with us, we are on our own land, and the mattress brothers will help in case of anything, and will not help and wet them.
    1. bannik
      bannik 26 July 2015 21: 37
      +1
      They will help, even as they help! Already helped!
  26. AZB15
    AZB15 26 July 2015 19: 00
    -1
    Quote: IGS
    "Vague doubts torment" wassat For you, how is it right "in Ukraine" or "in Ukraine". There is a certain Gaidar, too, like a citizen of the Russian Federation.


    To paraphrase my beloved Chekhov: Even though you (you) are the GCI and the seventh, but ... "Censorship, bl., Did not miss, but you probably know ...
  27. Black
    Black 26 July 2015 19: 57
    0
    For a long time there all of this, they lit up an anthill.
    And that the Chinese have not yet reached ....
  28. AZB15
    AZB15 26 July 2015 20: 48
    -6
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: AZB15
    Shake hands, yeah, you won’t hide the truth, yeah ... A bunch of pluses from those who forgot the price of that war and 15000 of ours. And what about the million killed Aborigines? Carpet bombing and vacuum bombs ... Only this, dear, I don’t need here about inter-assistance, US bases, etc. heresy. Tea is not fools gathered.

    ------------------------
    In Ukraine, 15000 has accumulated only during the summer campaign of 2014 ... So famously fought with their own population and the militia of the LDNR ... Questions?
    PS Carpet bombing by MLRS of all calibers from "Grad" to "Hurricane" what to do? Phosphorus bombs and chemical weapons ... So, dear, we don't need here about Ukrainian humanity and legality, European choice, etc. heresy. Tea is not fools gathered.



    I can't understand what Ukraine and Afghanistan have to do with it? Conversation about "inter-aid" for the USSR and now the USA - for Afghanistan. What everyone writes to me about Ukraine. Again and again I repeat: I AM A CITIZEN OF RUSSIA FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCE IN UKRAINE. On business, somebody blather, why write for the sake of scribbling?
    1. Dawn
      Dawn 26 July 2015 22: 40
      0
      What is constipation? Gobnoez climbs his throat? So you don’t need it here, to the forum, but to the hospital. Grab a sheepskin coat, fly like the wind.
      1. AZB15
        AZB15 26 July 2015 22: 54
        0
        Oh, chuchmeks drew. What do you want, chock?
        1. Dawn
          Dawn 26 July 2015 23: 29
          0
          Look at you orphan, such a miracle in feathers crawled out into the light, who offended you? did mother beat in childhood?
          1. AZB15
            AZB15 26 July 2015 23: 34
            -3
            Yeah, sometimes with a hose from the washing machine. So what do lumps need? Scored in the yurt.
            1. Dawn
              Dawn 26 July 2015 23: 52
              +1
              Here you are yelling - why are you screwing up, do not answer questions, etc. etc. So you behave like bestial - that’s how people treat you like that. You are a hamlo from the beginning uncultured, who will normally talk with you. To discuss it does not mean to be rude.
              1. AZB15
                AZB15 26 July 2015 23: 59
                -4
                Listen citizen chuchmek. Politeness is not a Churek horse, it is not discussed. But after all, you, there is not a single comment of more than 10 lines, so which of us is hamloe cultureless? Who am I here to be the first to be rude? You generally read your and my comments, because you have knowledge - lower school. Moreover, you, citizen Chuchmek, are rude in almost every comment you make. Chock you chock. Have you ever stopped using a rope in need?
                Everything was round, I told you everything.
  29. sounddoc
    sounddoc 26 July 2015 22: 19
    +3
    Quote: AZB15
    I have already written to one such type of you: I DIDN'T SAVE THE PIG WITH YOU, AND I DIDN'T DRINK ON THE BROWDER, SO BE FAVORABLE, IN COMMUNICATION WITH UNKNOWN PEOPLE TO BE MYSELF.

    The second one. Keep an eye on the bazaar and questions. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation for permanent residence in Ukraine.

    The third. About the losses in Afghanistan, we can talk endlessly, there are no exact data EVEN up to tens of thousands of people. And what's the difference, 200000 of our thousands have failed, or a million? Does it change anything?

    I understand that the post concerns me personally ... If in form, then the question of "you" and "you" is correct ... Let's start in essence: a person, most likely, does not have the slightest idea of ​​the essence of the question, but with with an incomprehensible aplomb retelling unintelligible nonsense about carpet bombing, does not cause me the slightest respect! Well, it does not cause, for the life of me! I did not participate in this war, but my generation, my peers, my acquaintances and friends fought, so my information is firsthand, and not from muddy manuals. I use Viki only as a quick source of information , which is always at hand. In any case, the issue with the number of victims in Afghanistan and Vietnam has not been resolved in a purely one-sided and categorical way!
    As a well-mannered man, I offer my deepest apologies to the highly respected Mr. AZB15!
    But, as a resident of the war of Ukraine burning in the fires of hell, I cannot respect YOU ...
    I’m not sure I’m right, but I hate Pharisaism ...
    1. AZB15
      AZB15 26 July 2015 22: 45
      -3
      A late reply to me, as I understand it.
      What does the generation have to do with it? The guys came to us to the battalion in 89, to take them out of Afghanistan. Many comrades and acquaintances served across the river. What does the soldiers have to do with it? The order was to shoot - they shot.
      The whole fuss began because I wrote that "our" Afghans had nothing to shake hands with for the invasion. I repeat once more, for those who are not particularly gifted, what difference does it make how many of our people there piled a million, or 10, 100 thousand. Who will be responsible for the death of civilians?
      "Not the slightest idea, carpets ..."? Well yes. YES I just flew, I practiced flights in difficult conditions. Especially powerful bombs fell on their own, but why did they keep silent about the BOV, did they not throw or shoot? Sit down and dry up.
      Like, we built factories for them, so what? And who bombed peaceful or "non-peaceful" villages? Yes, our, dear Soviet aviation, and artillery.
      The war, they say, will write everything off.

      Apologies are accepted.

      According to the last paragraph. YOU and other stupid people (admin swears, deleted all comments), but you are in the know, got it already. Moreover, I and Ukraine and Pharisaism. Am I writing something about Ukraine?
  30. EFRSTR
    EFRSTR 26 July 2015 22: 32
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    Transition of Afghan employees take 2.
  31. AZB15
    AZB15 26 July 2015 22: 58
    -1
    Quote: Dali
    Quote: AZB15
    The second one. Keep an eye on the bazaar and questions. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation for permanent residence in Ukraine.


    You really have nothing to do in Russia ... there on the "nezalezhnoy" and stay ...


    I forgot to ask you. Teach your wife how to cook cabbage soup.
  32. Dies Irae
    Dies Irae 26 July 2015 23: 26
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    We do not and should not care about the events in Afghanistan.
    Soviet troops left there a very long time ago. The war was lost with a crushing score. Let the army fulfill all the tasks assigned to it, but the Kremlin was defeated on the foreign policy battlefield.
    Now all this is a headache for the Americans.
    We just need a sturdy wall in the path of an avalanche of drugs from this country.
    1. region58
      region58 27 July 2015 00: 41
      +1
      Quote: Dies Irae
      Now all this is a headache for the Americans.

      The Americans have one headache - to inflict as much damage on Russia as their main adversary. In any way, including drugs, and we must pay tribute - it turns out. And the walls and borders in the mountains ... there are many nuances ... in reality it is practically impossible. And the war, if it was lost (of which there are great doubts), is by no means an army.
  33. Type 63
    Type 63 26 July 2015 23: 31
    +2
    Quote: AZB15
    Citizen "Type 63", are you in the subject (I mean history as a science), or did you pass by?

    I’ll add manenko. To put the dots over e, so to speak. Timur had one son, so where did he lodge with headquarters, family and army?

    I will add it. In principle, after the passage about the "capital", everything is clear.

    For me, the story is a hobby. Do you have a degree in it?
    1. AZB15
      AZB15 26 July 2015 23: 42
      -4
      Yes, do not get hobbies, have already got amateurs who heard a ringing. No, a hobby. But once, a long time ago, at the beginning of the 80's, they predicted that I would be admitted to Moscow State University in the direction of without history exams, or whatever it was.
      Did not work out. After the army, 89 was no longer up to history.
  34. Neohumanoyd
    Neohumanoyd 26 July 2015 23: 36
    +3
    It would be nice for the moderators to work in the comments ..
  35. Dam
    Dam 27 July 2015 00: 24
    0
    Then whoever pays, he orders the music. ISIS is paid more
  36. erseer
    erseer 27 July 2015 00: 55
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    Quote: AZB15
    --- nonsense scribbled ---

    rummage through the Voice of America database. In the late 80s, according to their info, only "armor" up to several hundred units a day were burned. With my own ears I heard the number 220 tanks per day ...
    To believe too?