BRDM-2 radically upgraded in Belarus

The Belarusian company 140 Repair Plant (Minsk region) developed a version of the radical modernization of the Soviet reconnaissance and patrol vehicle (BRDM-2), which was named BMTS (armored vehicle) Cayman, reports ВПК.name With reference to the "Belarusian military newspaper."

“After visiting the company last year, the President of the Republic of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, set the factory workers the task: to create a modern mobile vehicle that would be in demand not only here in the Belarusian army, but also abroad,” the newspaper writes.

The development of a prototype BMTS took only 4 a month, at present the prototype is being prepared for military trials.

According to the newspaper, “the purpose of the vehicle is to conduct reconnaissance and sabotage operations, patrol and escort convoys, conduct peacekeeping and police operations, conduct operations in emergency situations”.

It is reported that the body of the Soviet armored vehicle underwent a significant rework with the installation of side amphibious doors, in addition, "an independent torsion suspension, axles and wheel gears from the BTR-60, the D-245 diesel engine produced by Minsk Motor Plant OJSC with electronic feed control fuel and five-speed enhanced manual transmission ".

The newspaper lists the characteristics of the machine, declared by the developers: “The total combat mass of the prototype MBTS Cayman is about seven tons, the capacity is six people. The armored vehicle speeds up the 110 highway per kilometer per hour. Power reserve - up to 1000 kilometers. "Cayman" is able to overcome water obstacles afloat, for which a new engine with two propellers along the sides with a drive from the power take-off was developed. Instead of a turret, a rotary shoulder strap was installed on the roof of the PKS and AGS installation or another combat module, depending on the tasks. ”

Comments

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

Another coffin on wheels.

[siberalt]

And what? Abroad, so abroad.

[Vasek Trubachev]

If the "auxiliary" wheels in the center of the car were kept, then we can assume that the Belarusian tuning took place.

[torp]

Well done Belarus! Second life, not a bad car! And they created the new and did not throw out the old, this is an example of real business management! And you're talking about coffins.

[SAM0SA]

In vain they covered the screws with such a fine mesh. A larger cell is needed.

[Bayonet]

Quote: SAM0SA

In vain they covered the screws with such a fine mesh.

It seems to be purely decorative, because it will clog with garbage at a time!

[Vohman]

In vain they covered the screws with such a fine mesh

before the first test ...

[Gronsky]

Quote: SAM0SA

They covered the screws with such a fine mesh. A larger cell is needed.

According to the mind, it’s not needed there at all - an extra dirt collector, which under certain circumstances is capable of completely depriving a car of running on water.
But by and large the car turned out to be quite interesting, very culturally executed.
In other matters, like all Belarusian equipment. Well done.

[Throw]

Yes, they are in front with grills on the headlights overdone.
Campaign mixed up

[Bayonet]

Quote: Lance

Yes, they are in front with grills on the headlights overdone.

The headlights are not recessed, therefore, making their way in the thickets or through the fence they can be demolished easily! Good protective grill, powerful!

[Throw]

Here is the ATP, they’ve enlightened directly, he wouldn’t have dopped himself
Enlighten further in Belarus that there are no fences and trees above the lobovuha of this bast shoe or what? From above, they also stuck optics.
Have you forgotten your camping trip or grating?

[vorobey]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

Another coffin on wheels.

You are wrong, dear sir ... our Tigers were developed for these tasks, and the Belarusians cost less blood ... given the presence of boxes from the BRDM at the BTRZ ... and the machine turned out to be interesting ... considering that it is possible to use it and quote - "different combat module - depending on the performance of tasks "

or our KamAZ (forgot the marking) which analogue of the BTR-40 compare ...

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

Well, tigers, as far as I know, are released with different levels of protection, but here what, just a metal frame from brdm2.

[vorobey]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

and here what, just a metal frame from brdm2

Have you read this in an article?

I read one more thing ... According to the newspaper, "the purpose of the car is to conduct reconnaissance and sabotage operations, patrol and escort convoys, conduct peacekeeping and police operations, conduct actions in emergency situations."

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

Well, just the demonstrators in the squares to drive it.

[vorobey]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

Well, just the demonstrators in the squares to drive it.

an interesting position, crap and then admit all the same that it is the same ...

C300 complexes escort vehicle, guarding and patrolling the area where the enemy will not appear with heavy weapons, fighting against sabotage groups ... given the constructive capabilities of installing a combat module ... anyone can stupidly cut into scrap metal ... compared to the fact that they are pale-faced brothers from Ukraine from BRDM make a caiman - this is the top of the design idea ... and in our BTRZ these boxes are just lying around in trash.

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

And the British saxon in police operations will do, and in war the same coffin, you see.

[vorobey]

I agree ... why argue with you ... if you confuse the sinful with the righteous.

[Victorio]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

And the British saxon in police operations will do, and in war the same coffin, you see.

====
с the coffin you, of course, overdo it

[Insurgent LC]

I think if only in the war you had to choose what to ride on a cayman or UAZ you would choose an UAZ it is more stylish

[lukewarm]

Well this is sobsno and not a tank. And about the Saxon, an independent inspired? How did they fit in there? They fight on scooters, and nothing

[vorobey]

something like this...

[Insurgent LC]

the last word eco-technologies of Ukraine does not require a fuel crew three rams plus a rickshaw to change position

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vorobey

something like this...

in the best traditions of the first world ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

Well, just the demonstrators in the squares to drive it.

Then you need to put water cannons!

[Starik72]

DIVAN SOLDIER - VLAD. Here we will drive you as it should and without "Cayman"!

[Per se.]

Quote: vorobey

or our KAMAZ (forgot the marking) which is an analog of the BTR-40

By the way, BTR-40 upgraded for Indonesia. The Indonesians ordered the modernization of our BTR-40 (bought cheaply) from the Japanese company ISUZU for their Ministry of Internal Affairs. The result in the photo. Armored personnel carriers have various options for execution and armament:
with 7,62 machine gun on the commander's turrets;
with 12,7 machine gun in the tower;
with a 40-mm automatic grenade launcher on a turret in the form of a "tower" of a cubic shape in the upper part of the superstructure inside the troop compartment. Presumably, it was much cheaper to solve the tasks of their Ministry of Internal Affairs than if they began to buy a "Tiger" from us. I will also say that the Belarusians are good fellows, if you recall the saying "dear-dear", what they did with the BRDM-2 is more "love" than "dear". In addition, the Belarusians retained the car's ability to swim, and this is important for patrol and reconnaissance.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Per se.

By the way, the BTR-40 was modernized for Indonesia.

The engine is set to normal, with a lawn forced up to 78 hp. GAZ-40 engine, especially you do not drive!

[Olegovi4]

Quote: vorobey

our KAMAZ (forgot the marking) which analogue of the BTR-40 compare ..

Shot?

[Kir]

And if you also recall that the Tigers were originally gone for the Arabs with tires from the mix and other "ours", and the Belarusians immediately went the other way in a more prudent and reasonable way, then whoever says anything negative, all that remains is to Rejoice for the Belarusians, and at the same time to think how - would not lose their own in the competitive war for the market.

[APASUS]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

Another coffin on wheels.

That's why they conduct tests to determine. And in fact, if the cars come out of acceptable quality with good performance characteristics and can be adopted in Russia, no one in the world produces the whole gamut of equipment. Moreover, BMTS will not be critical in the army

[lukewarm]

Where are your tigers?

[Conductor]

But the Ministry of Defense, as always, "showed no interest." Even for export. Moreover, it is not

President of the Republic of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko sets the task for factory workers: to create a modern mobile vehicle

, and the initiative of the repair plant itself!

[Signaller]

Why are we minus. ??? After all, the truth was written by man. When undermining a mine-mine, all the corpses. Flat bottom, armor from the bottom (it’s actually a question, it’s not there. In fact) so in vain we minus. Type is all our best. It doesn’t happen. It was, yes. Now it is yesterday. For some Honduras, it might do. But we are not Honduras yet.

[vorobey]

Quote: Signaller

Why are we minus. ??? After all, the truth was written by man. In a mine-landmine explosion, all the corpses

Yeah ... for those who do not know - to fight at all is unhealthy ...

with such success, KAMAZ’s MTO’s mouth and tankers without a reservation should be excluded altogether and the composition of the aircraft ... suddenly it hits a mine ... delve into the goals and objectives of the machine .. it is written in black and white ...

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Signaller

Why are we minus. ??? After all, the truth was written by man. When undermining a mine-mine, all the corpses. Flat bottom, armor from the bottom (it’s actually a question, it’s not there. In fact) so in vain we minus. Type is all our best. It doesn’t happen. It was, yes. Now it is yesterday. For some Honduras, it might do. But we are not Honduras yet.

With direct detonation, yes. But about the "neighbor" lives better than lighter cars. This fact, by the way, has been proven in Iraq.
In addition, as a light BRM this BBM has not yet gone out of use: our aircraft use the old modification BRDM-2M and BRDM-3.
The first is the good old Mess, but the vitality is weak.
The second is, in fact, the BTR-82, but, as a result, a more expensive and large car.
Our Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not begin to develop the BRDM line, but would have received something like "Fennek" or "Pars 4x4" - a lightweight multifunctional, cheap platform.

[avt]

Quote: Blackgrifon

Our Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not begin to develop the BRDM line, but would have received something like "Fennek" or "Pars 4x4" - a lightweight multifunctional, cheap platform.

,, Vodnik "

[Kir]

Which did not go into the series. Although judging by what was said about them, and that a decent car was shown on TV.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Kir

Which did not go into the series. Although judging by what was said about them, and that a decent car was shown on TV.

That's just the point that the coffin on wheels turned out. For courage 2004 there is an article by a fighter of the unit in which they were placed.

[Kir]

Thanks for the information, but judging by the reviews ......, now they write what is sold for those who wish. A strange kind of behavior, first to pick up unflattering reviews, and then start selling, the logic however .......

[VOLOD]

Well, about the bottom armor of the brm 2 the bottom is double. I don’t know how this Belarusian is. But the BRDM 2 is exactly double. so at least get a little more landmine. On it the Otarsky test site traveled far and wide.

[Insurgent LC]

as if the bottom there is not quite flat but a reinforced mine with a slope of 30 degrees so there is a chance

[Kaiten]

Quote: Signaller

Why are we minus. ??? After all, the truth was written by man. When undermining a mine-mine, all the corpses. Flat bottom, armor from the bottom (it’s actually a question, it’s not there. In fact) so in vain we minus. Type is all our best. It doesn’t happen. It was, yes. Now it is yesterday. For some Honduras, it might do. But we are not Honduras yet.

This car is generally practically not able to conduct a modern battle - it will be killed almost immediately. This is a lightly armored car - it is designed for a second line of defense (medical, transporting people / shells, patrolling) or a police special forces car. A machine gun and smoke grenades are needed there, so that in the event of a serious collision - to put the veil and leave firing back.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Kaiten

This car is generally practically not able to conduct a modern battle - it will be killed almost immediately. it

In the Five-Day War they fought quite successfully. This BBM is outdated, but quite effective.

[shans2]

minus in armor, 7 mm is very small, even from 7.62 machine guns and SVD does not save at distances from 300 m starting.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: shans2

minus in armor, 7 mm is very small, even from 7.62 machine guns and SVD does not save at distances from 300 m starting.

During 888 I saved. Armor protection and ergonomics, of course, are weak, but the main thing is the correct tactical application. The column must have engineering intelligence - then there will be no explosions. And the BRDM is a light reconnaissance vehicle, a weapon carrier. The machine has been successfully used since its appearance in the database. Now the release continues in Poland. Increase the armor, install a DUMV and get a light armored car, which is an order of magnitude superior in cross-country ability and combat effectiveness of the "Tiger" at a low price.

[drundel861]

I want to tell you, if you follow your logic, then all the armor of the equipment is a fraternal one, a grave. But! Well done Belarusians, they changed the exterior (mess), brdm, diesel engine, propeller blades, removed the wheels from the bottom, on which they were generally installed on the first version, made large viewing windows, the moment is very important, it’s very good view, which triplex that in a walker, in the preceding version there was an engine from the lawn, an eight-cylinder engine that loved gasoline very much. Would ride on the new version, well done Belarusians.

[Petergut]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

Another coffin on wheels.

Another iksperd.

[olegnmnk]

The first alteration in CRYSIS worked well.

[War and Peace]

Yes, Belarus doesn’t have enough goods to sell, there is no currency to pay Putin for gas, so you need to come up with something and the more Belarusians turn around, the more chances there are of surviving in this wolf capitalist world, Belarus can offer only intelligent goods for sale, though this dad probably already realized late, because even countries without their own military industry, such as Turkey and Poland, have long been creating their own armored cars and tanks, and helicopters, and rockets - the market is condensing and getting into with its goods ramie Belarusians will not be easy ...

[Kir]

It seems that in terms of price and quality in Belarus, there are not so many competitors. By the way, they are paying for gas not with Putin, but with our monopolies, which generally conduct strange price policies, both outside and inside.
For goods on the sale, for example, I recently learned that the best large-diameter optics in the world are manufactured only in our country and in the Republic of Belarus, but forgive the price of not five cents per piece.
With regards to the Old Man, he is a typical Peasant in the good sense of the word, on his own Mind, only as if he had not outplayed himself.

[War and Peace]

Quote: Kir

and by the way, they’re paying for gas not with Putin,

Yes, Putin has nothing to do with it when he decides to give gas to Bandera, and moreover, when he decides whether to give a discount on gas, on coal, then, and when issues with Belarus are resolved, then there is no reason, we know, we know ...

Quote: Kir

For example, not so long ago I found out that the best large-diameter optics in the World are manufactured only here and in the Republic of Belarus, but forgive the price of not five cents per piece.

Well, the Japanese, Chinese and Germans, who do not make so much optics, take off all the fat for optics ...

Quote: Kir

With regards to the Old Man, he is a typical Peasant in the good sense of the word, on his own Mind, only as if he had not outplayed himself.

It’s hard for Putin to refuse to Belarus, even in what they know and know well — they are developing tractors in Kamaz that will replace Minsk, and why do so? after all ALL products of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant go to Russia? This is Putin’s policy and not the friendliest ...

[Kir]

Dear in order:
1) now Belarus gives out for its goods (food) that in many respects it’s definitely not theirs, though the Kazakhs also behave the same, I hope we will not deny this fact?
2) For oil and gas, and in relation to domestic consumers, the same price, let’s say so, is not adequate. With regards to why we will steal discounts, it’s generally beyond understanding, they also kind of fed the whole Union, we owe them culture, and where everything went after independence, oh no. Honor is still Pushcha, we are ancient from the ancients and we will only bargain on our own conditions, otherwise we’ll honestly steal and have much more to fear than, but the fact that they themselves are not able to provide, so the damned well, and then ......
3) On optics, well, everything is just the one I wrote about, although it costs well, but this product is wildly piece, then now it’s not a fact that when you buy optics with the stigma of the same Japan, you do not pay damn Yankees (see purchase such a brand as Pentax)
4) In politics, well here .... anyone wanted to say, but I understood that there were People, shorter than the GDP in many respects is tied hand and foot; if you screw it a little, then to the liberates (Pb) the democrats still openly join those offended by influential forces who are not so happy with the current order of things that it is known how it can end.

In general, the most deplorable thing is that among young people, I dare to hope that in a smaller part of it, such "ideas" begin to wander (I quote as it is):
I read somewhere that, for example, Perun and Svarog were originally Belarusian gods, and for Russia as such were not characteristic. All evil spirits came to the Belarusian culture from Russian, like Baba Yaga and Koshchei, but here about the goblin and the housekeepers there is still a question of who ran where. And Belarusians were also the first to mention about werewolves, Vseslav Charodey, for example, the Prince of Polotsk, according to the descriptions was a typical werewolf, not an werewolf, but an animagus, i.e. turning of their own free will. But if you take the gods, it’s mainly from Belarusians to Russians, and not vice versa. There are also purely Belarussian beliefs, for example, there is such a pagan holiday, Dzyady, according to beliefs on this day, the spirits of the ancestors visit their descendants. Celebrated exclusively in Belarus.
The Russians believe that Kievan Rus and the Principality of Polotsk are the "ancestors" of today's Russia, and some Belarusians (not all, it is true) - that Belarus, and the Russians have nothing to do with this, such as the Moscow principality appeared later and existed as a separate state with clearly not of Polotsk or Kiev origin. Depending on this, there are different studies and a different concept of who ran where. If we restrict on a territorial basis, taking into account the current borders of Russia and Belarus (amendments to the former borders will then be small, if only the Moscow principality is attributed to Russia), then it will be found that the majority of pagan cults, having a vivid expression among the Belarusians, practically did not appear on Russian territories. ... In general, it is very difficult to find a pure independent research that is not distorted by propaganda on this topic. Each side is trying to pull the blanket over itself, and not the fact that in fact we are not descendants of any Celts or Turks (the latter would be quite funny). And what is interesting - I came across a genetic study, according to which Poles, Belarusians and Ukrainians are closer to each other than each of these branches is to Russians: shok: that is, Russians are some kind of separate branch. Although I'm already confused where the truth is. Fortunately, I don’t splutter on this case, like some particularly ardent "patriots", because my partly Polish, partly Jewish origin with an admixture of French blood causes something like
I’m kind of aloof here, but the fact of moods and the presence of appropriate waste paper is evident.

[War and Peace]

Quote: Kir

1) now Belarus gives out for its goods (food) that in many respects it’s definitely not theirs, though the Kazakhs also behave the same, I hope we will not deny this fact?

why won't we? Let’s prove it, dad said that they don’t deal with such matters, I believe him more than our corrupt customs ...

Regarding politics, well here .... anyone wanted to say, but I understood that there were People, in short GDP in many respects is tied hand and foot; if you screw it a little, then the librarians (Pb) who are still open to joining the democrats who are offended by influential forces that and so not everyone is happy with the current order of things that it is known how it can end.

Arctic fox, he understood what he said?
what the hell is written ...

[Kir]

To a very specific question about either refutation or confirmation I heard an "reasoned" answer

Quote: war and peace

Old Man said that they are not involved in such matters, I believe him more than our corrupt customs ...

Stanislavsky pancake. Further, in addition to customs, there are objective data on the basis of which conclusions are drawn.
Yes, I realized what People said
- these are those who do not utter mantras like we do not 1937, and others, but do what is beneficial to their state, and not to some internal and external "friends". Further, this is the fact that Russia is now balancing (or rather, the power of the Russian Federation) between a revolt and a complete surrender of its positions.
Then, why there is no answer to the acute question about all kinds of information, which especially young people feed, it is a given, or an exception to the rule.

[ship]

Many years ago I saw the development of a similar machine, then it made a difficult impression on me. And when I read "The development of a prototype BMTS took only 4 months, currently the prototype is being prepared for military tests" I just don't believe in it. The work began a long time ago and was probably in limbo. Ah, now her time has come. In the 70s, BMP-2, -3 were tested.

[Valga]

Another coffin on wheels.

With modern weapons, you can say that about any machine. The thing is different - to move as it should. And with mobility, the mess has always been in order. Sorry for the pun.

[gla172]

Well done neighbors, do not stand still)

[Alekseev]

Quote: gla172

Well done neighbors, do not stand still

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

Another coffin on wheels.

It is interesting, on the basis of which the esteemed specialists in BTT make such different conclusions?
In such a short article, I noticed, for example, a number of points, but it is impossible to say so radically.
So the D-245 engine (4,75 l volume, power 105 hp, maybe a bit more for the forced version) is obviously weak for a car weighing 7 tons, an empty KamAZ 4310 weighs not much more. And if you strengthen the reservation, install additional. weapons, etc.?
What is the bulletproof glass in impressive windows? it’s not a work ride.
Removed extra wheels. And aesthetically pleasing, and simplification, and saving weight and space! But here as the trench, the developers do not say to overcome the ravine.
Probably, still gathered for fishing ...

[new communist]

An armored vehicle accelerates along a highway of 110 kilometers per hour. The cruising range is up to 1000 kilometers .---- is enough, for a convoy and reconnaissance vehicle, bullet resistance is not so important, it’s difficult to get there. But here as the trench, the developers do not say to overcome the ravine. - why, can’t you go around or in tow. In general, the car is what you need, the main thing is a good concept for 5-6 people is the best, better than an APC.

[vorobey]

Quote: New Communist

In general, the car is what you need, the main thing is a good concept

[Alekseev]

Quote: New Communist

as a trench, developers do not say to overcome the ravine. - why, can’t you go around

Can. But difficult, especially the trench. You know whether it’s long ... Yes, and a ravine is the essence of a long ravine, the bed of a stream.
Ah, in tow you can ... Yes, yes ...
D-245 (tractor Belarus, Bychok, PAZ) develops a maximum speed of 2000 per minute. I assure you that no continuous movement with speeds of about a hundred is out of the question, despite the assurances of the developers.
And why such a BBM speed?
Ah, is it difficult to hit the window meter by meter, like "a shop window of a grocery store ..."? I'm not sure, especially considering that there is an abundance of fragmentation and high-explosive fragmentation ammunition.
Look at the root, if, of course, you have such an opportunity.

[new communist]

Can. But difficult, especially the trench. You know how long it is .---- To fill up a certain area, put boards to a crew of 5 people, know problems.
Ah, to get into a window meter by meter, like "a shop window is for a sniper, or a well-aimed fighter, no matter which window to get into, but the comfort of the driver is expensive, they passed on the T-34, a blind tank is worse than a sighted German, even a then you forget the battle, this is 2% of the vehicle's operation time and in principle you cannot protect yourself from grenade launchers, anti-tank weapons and other crap, you need competent tactics.

[avia1991]

Quote: Alekseev

develops a maximum speed of 2000 per minute.

This is you, sorry, in what scientific journal they read? 1000-2000 rpm - this is the range of optimal operating speed, the most economical mode with the highest torque value!
As for the "Bull" - he drove for a hundred square meters easily, without effort, even empty, even loaded. If you yourself have not traveled, do not pretend to argue.
At the same time, the size of the wheels of the Bychara is immeasurably smaller - that is, the same speed can be achieved on the Cayman at a lower engine speed - which means that it is possible to have a greater power reserve at the same time

[not main]

Quote: New Communist

But here as the trench, the developers do not say to overcome the ravine. - why, can’t you go around or in tow.

I imagine how you will start a tug under enemy fire!

[new communist]

Under enemy fire, the tank is useless.

[vorobey]

Quote: Alekseev

Probably, still gathered for fishing ...

it's not a tank .... but the shot is not for fishing?

[new communist]

And the shot does not have a window showcase?

[vorobey]

Quote: new communist

And the shot does not have a window showcase?

Are you ... this is ours ... and then Belarusian ..

[vorobey]

but I like him no less than KAMAZ .. and similar

[sniper]

Quote: Alekseev

So the D-245 engine (4,75 l volume, power 105 hp, maybe a little more in the forced version) is clearly weak for a machine weighing 7 tons,

As far as I understand, there was a task to make something like "Tiger" at minimal cost. The engine is the only one produced in the Republic of Bashkortostan, it also works at MAZs, and does nothing. The buildings are most likely in abundance. Enlarged glazing assumes use mainly on public roads, and if so, then additional wheels are not needed. The permeability should be at the level of most army jeeps, and due to the buoyancy, maybe more ... In my opinion, it is a quite worthy sample.
PS I started my career at this plant in 1976.

[northern]

The D-245 is a whole family of engines, from just 245 (105 hp / 384Nm) to 245.16C2 (130 hp / 630Nm) - which is a completely different matter.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Alekseev

Removed extra wheels. And aesthetically pleasing, and simplification, and saving weight and space! But here as the trench, the developers do not say to overcome the ravine

On all Russian BRDMs they were removed long ago and "doors" were installed (before that they had thought of it before the Collapse) - the living conditions of the crew increased + the car became lighter.
So the ideas of Belarusians are correct - simplifying the design, increasing ergonomics, improving visibility, the ability to install various combat modules and all this while maintaining standard armor protection.

[Dimsanych]

Cool turned out a contraption! There is an impression that this is a solid device at a budget price. And in general, it is multifunctional for its type.

[Svist]

Another tuning. The craftsmen have more interesting.

[Alex_Rarog]

Tuning can be more interesting, but here the serial car will also be significantly larger, and options for hunting until the ears of the majors with a leather interior and other things are not needed here.

[vorobey]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

and options for hunting until the ears of the majors with a leather interior and other things are not needed here.

and why not ... we also have a civilian Tiger .... milking rabbits let them increase the country's defense.

[vorobey]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

and options for hunting until the ears of the majors with a leather interior and other things are not needed here.

and why not ... we also have a civilian Tiger .... milking rabbits let them increase the country's defense.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Svist

The craftsmen have more interesting.

Is that with a five meter remote control?

[rotmistr60]

which would be in demand not only here in the Belarusian army, but also abroad

As I understand it, they are more likely to export in the future. It is very difficult to compete with Russia in the export of arms of Belarus. And BMTS will not cause interest in other countries.

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

Well, why, maybe wealthy businessmen will buy a ride.

[new communist]

As for export, it is a quite competitive model to level 3 countries.

[PhilFilych]

It is especially difficult when the main export of Belarusian arms goes to Russia

[Russian Uzbek]

such large "windows" instead of triplexes raise doubts about the possibility of using on the front line ... so drive up to the front line

[Sura]

This type of machine is not for the front. His task quickly and imperceptibly jumped up, dropped off the WG, looked, moved, looked again, took the WG and escaped to report (EW can pay off communications in the area of ​​the task).

[Magic archer]

From the front of the French VBL VAB looks like! Well done Belarus! Excellent modernization

[Dies Irae]

Belarus has radically modernized relations between the CIS countries; trade with Russia was transferred to "dollars", Ukraine was promised to help with the transit of gas through the Belarusian GTS, they are actively flirting with NATO ...

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

Between the two lights, all the same, they have to turn around.

[rotmistr60]

Between which two lights? Russia that threatened Belarus or imposed sanctions? Just someone wants to sit on two chairs. But no one has succeeded in these attempts.

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

There is no Belarus, but Europe is the enemy. Therefore, they are a buffer zone between two warring parties.

[Dies Irae]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

but Europe’s enemies

Where, when and who of the representatives of the Russian government called Europe or the European Union "enemies for Russia"? Or an "aggressor"?

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

That is, if they place elements of an enemy pro on their territory and are members of the anti-Russian NATO bloc, then what are they friends?

[Dies Irae]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

That is, if they place elements of an enemy pro on their territory and are members of the anti-Russian NATO bloc, then what are they friends?

Demagogy and an attempt to divert the issue to another plane.
I repeat my question: when, where and which of the representatives of the Russian government called Europe or the European Union "enemies for Russia"? Or an "aggressor"?

Quote: rotmistr60

Between which two lights? Russia that threatened Belarus or imposed sanctions? Just someone wants to sit on two chairs. But no one has succeeded in these attempts.

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

There is no Belarus, but Europe is the enemy. Therefore, they are a buffer zone between two warring parties.

[Starik72]

Rotmister 60. Yes, Russia was not threatened. But then the question arises, who waged trade wars, flour, sugar, meat and dairy, plus here the potash turmoil because of you Russians. Since we can’t tell us how to sit on two chairs.

[Hairy Siberian]

Cute, similar to Textron and Fennek LGS at the same time.

[Center]

[Zomanus]

For collectors, hurry up. On fishing / hunting in front of the girls, it's cool to show off on this. Everything, nothing else comes to mind. As a "mess" do not change, it will remain so.

[Baloo_bst]

I apologize for the set minus, I was mistaken.
The BADAK is a class machine, respectively, but (it seems to me) the potential has exhausted. And the mass of other cars is coming to replace.
The car is good, but it's time for new models to prove themselves.
And Belarus is unlikely to pull the new development cooler than the Typhoon.

[Victor-M]

Quote: Zomanus

Everything, nothing else comes to mind. As a "mess" do not change, it will remain so.

And what has it to do with "don't change the mess" if nothing else comes to your mind? It is necessary to take care of the head, and deal with the mess in it, you look the place will be free, something will come. It is much easier to criticize something at the "expert" level than to do something yourself.

[tanit]

from the article - "the body of the Soviet armored vehicle"
Well done - Soviet engineers. Touching on all sorts of different -other modernization - for a hundred years, so a hundred after myself left. Well, Belarusians are also great. At least - it doesn’t look like a splitter, and it’s already good. And about dubious combat value is another question.

[Brigadier]

Quote: Russian Uzbek

such large "windows" instead of triplexes raise doubts about the possibility of using on the front line ... so drive up to the front line

Really! Why such large glass, after all to go to war, and not to a party ?! The engine could have been put in a stronger position, the typewriter, like they did for reconnaissance, but sometimes you have to move very quickly there ... And the development of a prototype BMTS itself takes 4 months !!! Probably everything was calculated on the supercomputer in order to meet the deadline. It looks like just another "Potemkin" armored car for the next holiday, nothing more ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Brigadier

Really! Why so big glasses

“Grandma, grandma, why do you have such big eyes?” - To see you better ..

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Brigadier

Really! Why such big glasses, because to go to war, and not to a party?

We look at Feneck - the car was tested in Afghanistan and is actively used by the contingents of the Bundeswehr and the Dutch.
We look at Pars 4x4 - the car was made for the Turkish Armed Forces, taking into account the Turkish experience of confrontation and the fight against the Kurds.
We look at the IDF analogues ... The list goes on. Large windows are both plus and minus, but for BRM the advantages outweigh.

[Y_w_p]

No! Where are we going to be gray and poor! And do not tell the tough allies how many years you build your large landing craft "Gren"? Tea is already in its twenties. What? EBM crappy *?

[fomkin]

I do not presume to judge the advantages or disadvantages of BMTS. But the tendency, including ours, to call military equipment names of origin from the American continent is annoying.

[Bayonet]

Quote: fomkin

annoying to call military equipment names of origin from the American continent.

Doesn't it bother you from the African? Australian?

[Riperbahn]

In appearance - nothing like that. Impressive unlike dill coffins.

[sv68]

Well done Belarusians, why don’t you use goodness if you have a head on your shoulders — the machine is exactly what you need for scheduled tasks.

[Belarus]

The fact that they modernized it well. But the question is, who should sell this equipment? Apart from Russia, no one will buy this miracle, and the Russian Federation has its own developments and developments, China also does not need this equipment for a hundred years. And a few dozen are enough for ourselves, but really calling BMTS a kind of crocodile does not seem to be very good.

[kil 31]

Quote: Belarus

The fact that they modernized it well. But the question is, who should sell this equipment? Apart from Russia, no one will buy this miracle, and the Russian Federation has its own developments and developments, China also does not need this equipment for a hundred years. And a few dozen are enough for ourselves, but really calling BMTS a kind of crocodile does not seem to be very good.

I agree with you, firstly I didn’t know that crocodiles are found in swamps and rivers of Belarus, and secondly (stalker) they didn’t go for sale abroad either for themselves. I doubt that the new BRDM will go to international markets, with a huge offer in this market.

[MATROSKIN-53]

Well done! And the sheep are safe and the wolves are full!

[sv68]

By the way, it’s a very delicate trolling from the White-dog-psaki gave them the sea, and the Belarusians launched caimans (there are such crocodiles)! and figs now the Yankees are swimming in the Belarusian Sea ...

[Abbra]

A very serious upgrade. On such a thing in the desert to chase ISIS - it will be a pleasure! Well done!

[Olegmog]

Belarusians well done! Overall a very good impression.
But why electronic injection? This motor and with a conventional pump
runs well. Military equipment must be tenacious!
In Olonets on a bull, wiring burned down, pushed him from the hill,
brought up. And we drove another thousand kilometers to Murmansk. Thank you polar
day! On military equipment, these euro norms are not needed!

[Balybin]

Beautiful looking car! Super.

[Massik]

If the viewing glasses hold at least 8.6x70, then it’s already good.

[Nikoha.2010]

And in front, from the headlights on the left side, which is the hatch, winch?

[AlNikolaich]

However, if not cool, this is not a modernization ... This is a new car! The body is unrecognizably overcooked,
the suspension is different, the power unit is different, the filling is different. Only tests will show the qualities of the new
cars. The potential is seen in it (unlike ukroshushpanzers), the engineering work is visible, and the design is the same. Modular weapons provided. Let's see further!

[new communist]

I look at the quality of the weld seams is good, good welders were left to see in Belarus, and smoke grenade launchers by the way.

[sniper]

In fact, this is a very serious plant. True, difficulties did not pass him, but he also kept personnel and equipment. They work, the result is visible in the photo in the article. Although of course this is not the main product ...

[31rus]

The tests will show, by the way, read about our "Tiger" reviews of those who have already fought on them, not very forest, and the Belarusians are great, if only because they do not sit and wait for cookies from their big brother, and modernization compared to the Ukrainian and Azerbaijani much better and more thoughtful

[Voevoda2682]

And why nothing about maneuverability? As I understand it, a machine for fighting in urban areas.

[sniper]

Quote: Voevoda2682

machine for fighting in urban areas.

?? The article says it all ...

“The purpose of the machine is to conduct reconnaissance and sabotage operations, patrol and escort convoys, conduct peacekeeping and police operations, conduct operations in emergency situations.”

[Turner38]

Beautiful, passable, the name corresponds to the appearance.

[Aasdem]

It is interesting, on the basis of which the esteemed specialists in BTT make such different conclusions?

And let's estimate in the estimates that it’s still a modernization of a mass machine (more precisely, a fairly good upgrade option), but not a new machine.
what was done - a new engine, in any case, the necessary action - the motor resource of the BRDM-2, I think most of them are already "rolled" and will have to be changed or repaired anyway.
suspension, bridges are the same.
engine for movement in water - not bad, more room for maneuver.
side doors - a long-awaited "upgrade", even on the BTR-80-90 family they came to this.
the absence of a specific weapon module, so this is already on the needs of the region and the customer - from air defense modules to weapons "Toyota".

[PRV-16]

Quote: Lance

Yes, they are in front with grills on the headlights overdone.
Campaign mixed up

Yes, this is not the main thing in the car. Pay attention to the suspension. It is completely independent. And such a suspension on large Belarus cars makes it very reliable.

[oakim]

a good upgrade, but it seems to me more for the Ministry of Internal Affairs .... for the Sun, I don’t like the nose (a big square target), as I recall how in the Donbass from PKM and Utes these pots (BRDM, BTR-80 and even BMP) are being felled do not be more faceted and not so bulging))

[ork_333]

Quote: Alekseev

Quote: New Communist

as a trench, developers do not say to overcome the ravine. - why, can’t you go around

Can. But difficult, especially the trench. You know whether it’s long ... Yes, and a ravine is the essence of a long ravine, the bed of a stream.
Ah, in tow you can ... Yes, yes ...
D-245 (tractor Belarus, Bychok, PAZ) develops a maximum speed of 2000 per minute. I assure you that no continuous movement with speeds of about a hundred is out of the question, despite the assurances of the developers.
And why such a BBM speed?
Ah, is it difficult to hit the window meter by meter, like "a shop window of a grocery store ..."? I'm not sure, especially considering that there is an abundance of fragmentation and high-explosive fragmentation ammunition.
Look at the root, if, of course, you have such an opportunity.

Well, of course ... you would have got the reins in your hands, so the Armed Forces would have exhausted all the equipment. And then suddenly in front of a ravine 30 meters deep and five hundred meters wide! No tank can handle this. So let's write them off for junk! Nafig they are so necessary! And if some car accelerates to 50 or, God forbid, to 60 km / h, then the devil knows what it is! How can you drive so fast! Down with! What?! The viewing window is more than three by three centimeters ?! Yes, here any shooter offhand with his back to the target with his left hand will hit. We write off outright! Moreover, there are intercontinental ballistic missiles! These will definitely not miss! So look at the root, dear, and do not rush to "smart" "expert" words gleaned from books, films and military sites.

[seregatara1969]

Broneshishiga or half-batter turned out

[Gunther]

I liked the car, well done Belarusians, all the components, as I understand it, are "relatives", which means they are raising their auto industry, not Iveco.

[olegnmnk]

As a tractor and fire support for the calculation "Cornflower" or a tray. Transport of a group of sappers. And in my opinion, on such machines, it is better to pair 7,62 and 12,7 and strengthen the AGS, with a duplicated D / U in front (carrier and senior) and rear (gunner-gunner), well, the modern LMS and the omnivorous engine are more powerful.

[Sergey p.]

I like the Belarusian approach to military equipment, we in Russia also did not hurt to learn from them. There is a lot of goodness of the USSR Union, and solid iron, so I would attach design brains to it ...

[aleksandrs95]

I agree that this is not modernization, but the creation of a fundamentally new car from previous groundwork. Inside, an additional reservation made of high molecular polyethylene and high armor resistance will be required. Class 6 for sure. With a more serious power unit, you can greatly increase the thrust ratio and carry artillery on the trailer, to install the Berezhok tower. I liked the creative approach very much. With a more serious filling, you can beat the Tiger armored car. Well and most importantly, the price will be very good. We need these, but we don’t have many Typhoons, they They are expensive, albeit very good. But this approach is very promising, especially for export. You can make good money on the Soviet backlog.

[Kir]

I already had experiments with polyethylene, even though I had them ......, but the fact was that the Yankees returned to Aramid fiber, so Armos is more likely (see the website nabivka.ru).

[gameover_65]

The BRDM was created by people who remembered what war was, and that didn’t understand what!
why so many glasses?

[Insurgent LC]

the glasses hold 7.62; the 8mm armor holds the same 7.62 but the review is good but in intelligence who first saw the one and slippers

[gameover_65]

Yeah, only after the aged 7.62 the glass needs to be changed, and even the armor will not have to be painted.
and after several hits in the glass, nothing will be visible.

[Oldman]

Quote: Brigadier

And the development of the BMTS prototype itself is 4 of the month !!! Probably everything on the supercomputer was calculated to meet the deadline.

And how much is needed - a year, two ...? You need to be able to work.

[Wolka]

but I like, at least outwardly, how time will show in business ...

[Stabilization]

Apparently there is no mine protection like on all machines of this family, and this is very bad.

[shed]

before you write something you need to at least see something, some fronts, but look at how the igil fights, 1000 such cars, cheap and very dangerous, and this trash in the desert will be dispersed in a couple of weeks, but it can also come in handy in the mountains and forests

[Yarik]

The characters of A. Cruz "loot" the very thing. On the battlefield, it is very doubtful.

[Ze Kot]

Quote: avia1991

Quote: Alekseev

develops a maximum speed of 2000 per minute.

This is you, sorry, in what scientific journal they read? 1000-2000 rpm - this is the range of optimal operating speed, the most economical mode with the highest torque value!
As for the "Bull" - he drove for a hundred square meters easily, without effort, even empty, even loaded. If you yourself have not traveled, do not pretend to argue.
At the same time, the size of the wheels of the Bychara is immeasurably smaller - that is, the same speed can be achieved on the Cayman at a lower engine speed - which means that it is possible to have a greater power reserve at the same time

1000 rpm., It's a little lice idle.

For a gasoline engine (on average), the main thrust is at 3500-4000 rpm.
For diesel, yes, approximate speed in the region of 2000 rpm.

"Goby" was worn only in flight .. From service to service ... the first copies ...
combined pneumatic-hydraulic braking system with front VENTED DISK brakes. after each long trip, it was necessary to pump the brakes, eliminate leakage of fluid and air. Disks made of very soft metal, quickly erased;
clutch disc, which changed almost every second visit to the service;
not very reliable fuel injection pump;
poor location of the hood lock, breaking through the upper radiator tank.