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Russian fleet will receive a coastal complex, created on the basis of "Coalition-SV"

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The Petrel Research Center, commissioned by the Navy, will create a coastal artillery complex based on the 152-mm ground forces complex “Coalition-SV”, reports RIA News With reference to the director general of the enterprise Georgy Zakamnykh

Russian fleet will receive a coastal complex, created on the basis of "Coalition-SV"


Earlier, the idea of ​​switching to complexes of the same type as those in the ground forces was expressed by the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Viktor Chirkov. He emphasized that “it will not be the development of a new complex, but the modernization of existing and promising types of weapons with elaboration for needs fleet».

“We have always been supporters of interspecific unification of weapons. This is a cost-effective approach to reduce the cost of development, production and operation of equipment. In particular, the scientific and technical groundwork obtained during the creation of the Coalition-SV complex can be effectively used to create the coastal defense art complex, ”the general director said.

According to him, the fleet management "is planning to form tactical and technical requirements for this complex by the end of the summer", after which the enterprise will closely work on its development.

Help Agency: The self-propelled artillery installation "Coalition-SV" is designed to destroy enemy personnel, its military equipment and fortifications. It is equipped with an autonomous power supply unit, the means to ensure a comfortable living environment for the crew, satellite navigation systems, hidden data transmission and communication, as well as effective information display systems for the crew. The installation is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 70 kilometers. ”
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  1. kimyth1
    kimyth1 15 July 2015 17: 37
    -29
    it only fights with a mosquito fleet !!! laughing
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 15 July 2015 17: 43
      +29
      Quote: kimyth1
      it only fights with a mosquito fleet !!! laughing

      Why, I think all frigates and corvettes will also be able to throw their 152-mm blanks.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 16 July 2015 08: 46
        +6
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Why, I think all frigates and corvettes will also be able to throw their 152-mm blanks.

        If the density of the guns is high enough, then the cruiser will not be too good. hi
      2. vtnsk
        vtnsk 17 July 2015 13: 10
        0
        Quote: Sith Lord
        I think all frigates and corvettes will also be able to throw their 152-mm blanks

        De facto this is practically a coastal battery. And - mobile! And the range and caliber practically correspond to the tools used earlier in the defensive forts that protected the coastal strip ... hi
    2. fox21h
      fox21h 15 July 2015 17: 51
      +46
      Quote: kimyth1
      it only fights with a mosquito fleet !!! laughing

      Actually, this is an indispensable thing to deal with the enemy landing. The most
      1. Duke
        Duke 15 July 2015 18: 16
        +20
        This is probably instead A-222 "Beach"
        The coastal defense system "Bereg" is designed to destroy surface ships of small and medium displacement with speed characteristics up to one hundred knots, with a detection radius of up to 35 kilometers and a range of up to 22 kilometers. It is also possible to use this artillery system for the destruction of ground objects. The advantages of the artillery system are large caliber, high versatility, both in terms of targets and in the ammunition used, the choice of operating mode, high overall rate of fire. Art systems with similar characteristics no one else in the world produced.
        The composition of the MAC "Bereg":
        - 4-6 self-propelled gun mounts with a caliber 130-mm;
        - Mobile CPU with SU MP-195;
        - 1-2 machine OBD.
        The whole complex has as a base MAZ-543M with the formula wheel 8х8.

        1. 222222
          222222 15 July 2015 19: 33
          +5
          http://vpk.name/library/f/2c36-koaliciya-sv.html
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 15 July 2015 23: 00
          +5
          Quote: Duke
          Art systems with similar characteristics no one else in the world produced.


          I hope that "not instead", but in addition ... Each installation is good in its own way, and now we are not so rich as to scatter such complexes ... Moreover, to solve coastal defense tasks, especially when trying to land an assault force and fight against him, and the Coast, and the Coalition, oh, as required ...
      2. Armata
        Armata 15 July 2015 18: 19
        +4
        Quote: fox21h
        Actually, this is an indispensable thing to deal with the enemy landing. The most

        152 mm chasing speed boats laughing . Cool, maybe you sit down to see this gun laughing .
        so there are anti-ship anti-ship missile systems, they even get to Sinop. Or what do you think the Turks simply decided to make friends with us?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 15 July 2015 19: 37
          +8
          There is such a thing as layered defense.
        2. Nick
          Nick 15 July 2015 20: 29
          +10
          Quote: Armata
          152 mm chasing speed boats. Cool, maybe you sit down to see this gun

          The volley covers a certain area, there is no need to conduct aimed fire at individual targets.
          1. Armata
            Armata 15 July 2015 20: 50
            +4
            Quote: Nick
            The volley covers a certain area, there is no need to conduct aimed fire at individual targets.

            The difference in the physical properties of water and land. A bolvak with a charge falls into water or on solid ground. Feel the difference (well, or learn physics). At sea, a direct hit is necessary, or a gap in 1 meter above the edge. absolute calm is extremely rare, so when hit by a breaker, the effectiveness of even shrapnel drops at times.
            1. Nick
              Nick 15 July 2015 23: 05
              +7
              Quote: Armata
              Quote: Nick
              The volley covers a certain area, there is no need to conduct aimed fire at individual targets.

              The difference in the physical properties of water and land. A bolvak with a charge falls into water or on solid ground. Feel the difference (well, or learn physics). At sea, a direct hit is necessary, or a gap in 1 meter above the edge. absolute calm is extremely rare, so when hit by a breaker, the effectiveness of even shrapnel drops at times.

              And physics says that at a projectile speed of 1000 m / s. he doesn’t care what concrete, what water, besides the gunners have a way of firing at ricochets, I don’t even talk about timers of various designs, from powder to electronic.
        3. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 15 July 2015 20: 32
          +2
          Quote: Armata
          152 mm chasing high-speed vessels. Cool, maybe you sit down to see this gun.
          so there are anti-ship anti-ship missile systems, they even get to Sinop. Or what do you think the Turks simply decided to make friends with us?

          To defeat individual targets, you can use mortars with guided mines, for example KM-8 "Edge", you can aim using a laser rangefinder.
          http://topwar.ru/16488-uvelichenie-vozmozhnostey-120-minometov-km-8-gran.html
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 15 July 2015 20: 49
            +3
            Here is a video about the "Gran" system
          2. Armata
            Armata 15 July 2015 20: 52
            +2
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            To defeat individual targets, you can use mortars with guided mines, for example KM-8 "Edge", you can aim using a laser rangefinder.

            How many faces are now in service? and where does the 152 Coalition mm caliber?
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 15 July 2015 21: 06
              +3
              Quote: Armata
              How many faces are now in service?

              The system of "whalers" for self-propelled guns was put into service in 2002, Gran is a kind of guided ammunition for 120 mm mortars.
              http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/241373
              The main plus is that you don’t need a special mortar to launch a guided mine, just the ammunition and a special backlight on the final section are enough.
              Quote: Armata
              and where does the Coalition 152 mm caliber?

              The 152 mm howitzer also has its own Krasnopol guided projectile, although the price of one projectile is $ 70000.
              http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/241377
              1. Denshik34
                Denshik34 15 July 2015 23: 45
                +4
                This is nothing compared to the cost of the Aegis destroyer, the same Donald Cook, a billion bucks with all the belongings !!! A pair of 152mm "suitcases" for 140 thousand, what a savings, and there is no cookie laughing
                1. Lt. Air Force stock
                  Lt. Air Force stock 16 July 2015 00: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Denshik34
                  This is nothing compared to the cost of the Aegis destroyer, the same Donald Cook, a billion bucks with all the belongings !!!

                  Honestly, I don’t understand where such a cost of a guided projectile comes from. 70000 dollars is 4 million rubles at today's exchange rate, but it’s clear that the electronics there are microcircuits, etc. etc., but a rocket for ATGM Cornet costs 300000 rubles, 13 times less.
                  Maybe these 4 million also include the sighting navigation system. But then the ATGM Cornet should also cost under 4 million, and it costs much less.
              2. Yon_Silent
                Yon_Silent 16 July 2015 23: 24
                0
                The 3OF39 Krasnopol projectile has a rather significant limitation on the available overload. Simply put, the range of targets that can be hit with an acceptable probability is small: a bridge, a hangar, a command post, an antenna post ... In general, everything that does not move or creeps slowly. But getting on a fast-moving ship or, even more so, a boat is a difficult and unsolved problem so far. This is not to mention the fact that the laser beam is very well scattered in the mist. And the question of how to produce illumination of this ship seems to be quite mysterious ... If from the shore, then the game is not worth the candle - the firing range of Krasnopol is obviously less than the usual OFS. And if you chase a target on the high seas and illuminate it from an airplane or other aircraft, then it will be shot down with a great guarantee.
                So far, in the field of high-precision destruction of surface targets, missiles are leading in combat effectiveness. This is a specific tool that quite successfully copes with its task. And Krasnopoli - Krasnopolevo)
                1. Shishiga
                  Shishiga 17 July 2015 18: 29
                  +1
                  The 3OF39 Krasnopol projectile has a rather significant limitation on the available overload. Simply put, the range of targets that can be hit with an acceptable probability is small: bridge, hangar, command post, antenna post


                  In the 1983 year, 30 years ago, the Soviet Army adopted a new tank KUV - the 9K116-1 "Bastion" and 9К-116-2 "Sheksna" guided weapons complex, designed for use with X-54 / 55 / 62-3-60-1-30-XNUMX-XNUMX-XNUMX-XNUMX T-XNUMX X-series. and T-XNUMX respectively. The use of ATGM data allowed us to extend the service life of tanks, as their combat effectiveness was practically equalized with the next-generation XNUMX tanks, which included the MXNUMX, Leopard-XNUMX, AMX-XNUMX, etc. tanks. The big advantage of these complexes was that the use of the Bastion and Sheksna anti-tank systems did not require the replacement of tank guns, but only supplemented the range of ammunition they used.

                  Performance characteristics:

                  Firing range - 100-4000 meters;
                  ATGM flight time at maximum range - 13 seconds;
                  ATGM flight speed - 370 m / s;
                  The weight of the rocket 9М117 - 17.6 kg;
                  Rocket caliber - 100 / 115 mm;
                  Rocket length - 1048 mm;
                  Scope of stabilizers - mm 255;
                  Armor penetration - mm 600 for dynamic protection, for 9М117М1 missiles - 750 mm for ДЗ;
                  The probability of hitting the target type tank at the maximum distance - 0,8;
                  Temperature range of combat use -40 .. + 50 ° С.

                  http://topwar.ru/30328-upravlyaemy-tankovye-rakety-bastion-i-sheksna-30-let-v-st
                  royu.html
                  1. Yon_Silent
                    Yon_Silent 19 July 2015 14: 54
                    0
                    I believe that your mention of these complexes in relation to 3OF39 reveals a partial misunderstanding. "Sheksna" and "Bastion", as well as "Reflex" with "Invar" are, of course, good and healthy. For a tank (and PTO) operating in the line of sight BEFORE the horizon line, such complexes are the very thing. A kind of control system is used there - the rocket goes in a laser beam, which is formed by an emitter installed on the tank. Its deviation from the beam axis (more precisely, the spatial scan axis), which coincides with the target, is converted by the control system into a control command and transmitted to the steering drive. In addition, rockets for these complexes are fired in very gentle conditions, for which special throwing devices are used. And already on the trajectory, acceleration occurs (although, strictly speaking, the maintenance of the speed limit) by means of an onboard solid propellant. Therefore, the speed of approach to the goal (and this determines the achievement of the required control overload) is quite acceptable.
                    But to hit a target ABOVE the horizon, such a trick will not work. The control system must somehow "see" it. And here there are few options: either set the homing head, or give external target designation. In "Krasnopol" and "Kitolov" the second variant is used, which uses the laser spot reflected from the target as target designation. The disadvantage of this guidance method is a significant limitation on the angular velocity of the line of sight ... in other words, on the speed of the object at which the gunner is aiming.
        4. saenara
          saenara 17 July 2015 11: 56
          +1
          Quote: Armata
          152 mm chasing speed boats


          High-speed vessels are chased by automatic 57 and 76-mm automatic installations.
        5. vtnsk
          vtnsk 17 July 2015 13: 16
          0
          Quote: Armata
          Or what do you think the Turks simply decided to make friends with us?

          Do they have a large choice with whom to "be friends"? ... laughing
      3. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 15 July 2015 20: 29
        +3
        Quote: fox21h
        Actually, this is an indispensable thing to deal with the enemy landing. The most

        For the landing, it is better to have a PSZO to cover everyone at once.
      4. vtnsk
        vtnsk 17 July 2015 13: 13
        0
        For the "landing" itself, there are better means. But DK is just a target for the "Coalition", since it will be possible to eliminate the threat of the landing force even before it enters the coastal zone (70 km is a very decent range) ... hi
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 15 July 2015 19: 13
      +6
      Quote: kimyth1
      it only fights with a mosquito fleet !!! laughing

      Well, don’t say, it is possible to use a missile or an additional powder accelerator in combination with a new coastal gun, so the service distance of the sea zone with such a gun can increase to 100 km
    4. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 15 July 2015 20: 20
      +3
      The coastline should be defended by any means, including artillery.
      Quote: kimyth1
      it only fights with a mosquito fleet !!! laughing
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 15 July 2015 21: 03
        +1
        It is quite possible to bring down a missile. And the shell can’t be dropped by anything. It is not something to stop - it is impossible to restrain in principle! Therefore, I am a supporter of coastal artillery. I wish I could create artillery helicopters ...
    5. self-propelled
      self-propelled 15 July 2015 20: 39
      +3
      Quote: kimyth1
      it only fights with a mosquito fleet !!!

      Well, for example, coastal defense with an anti-ship missile system could not destroy all attacking targets (either there were too many of them, or they did not have time, or ... bali (anything can happen)), and the targets are already very close - how to destroy? or naval targets "do not stand missiles" ...
    6. Denshik34
      Denshik34 15 July 2015 23: 26
      -3
      You probably ignorant and materiel did not teach !!!! An artillery shell, unlike a rocket, cannot be shot down, so if something is thrown over "suitcases" for an adversary, don't worry. smile
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 15 July 2015 23: 49
        0
        Quote: Denshik34
        An artillery shell, unlike a rocket, cannot be shot down

        At leisure, take an interest in what the KAZ of the tank is doing (the same Afghanit in Armata).

        I give a beacon: it’s exactly that which shoots down shells laughing

        For "you", "ignoramus" and "materiel" - you minus, call .. and - learn materiel yes
        1. Sivan
          Sivan 18 July 2015 12: 54
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          At leisure, take an interest in what the KAZ of the tank is doing (the same Afghanit in Armata).

          I give a beacon: it’s exactly that which shoots down shells


          But KAZs on tanks detect and shoot down a shell a few meters from the tank. The gap of 152mm, even a few meters above the superstructure of the ship, it seems to me, is not a very pleasant thing.

          One can argue, of course, that on tanks the electronics are weaker than on a ship, etc. But all the same, it is not clear how KAZ will reflect the solid volleys of the coastal battery.
    7. Russophile
      Russophile 16 July 2015 00: 55
      -1
      and ignorant idiots can be dismissed
    8. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 16 July 2015 09: 04
      +1
      you can cause irreparable damage to corvettes and frigates too, plus coastal artillery can destroy landing ships and boats, disrupt the landing.
    9. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 16 July 2015 09: 08
      0
      you can cause irreparable damage to corvettes and frigates too, plus coastal artillery can destroy landing ships and boats, disrupt the landing.
    10. vtnsk
      vtnsk 17 July 2015 13: 06
      0
      Quote: kimyth1
      it only fights with a mosquito fleet !!!

      Your fleet has long eaten crabs at the bottom ... laughing
    11. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 17 July 2015 15: 04
      0
      News: "Yesterday, on the Russian-Ukrainian border, the Ukrainians fired at a peacefully plowing Russian tractor, to which the tractor responded with a series of rocket salvos, took off and flew away. soldier Lonel Ivanov. "
    12. Shishiga
      Shishiga 17 July 2015 18: 23
      0
      Well, that's for sure - only one thing confuses when shooting over 70 km on a boat, personally, how many shells do you bullet to hit, or you ask him not to wobble the boat very much from side to side, or maybe you will ask him to stand still - for now will you aim ??? recourse am
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 15 July 2015 17: 39
    +8
    In a compartment with guided projectiles with such a rate of fire and with such a firing range, such an installation somewhere in the Crimea will make the American frigate think twice whether to approach the shore or not good
    1. kimyth1
      kimyth1 15 July 2015 17: 42
      +3
      at the frigate r.k. with a range of 500km !!! request
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 15 July 2015 17: 46
        +10
        But we also have ground-based PCR wink
        but here you can see a clear difference in application! The shell is cheaper and in case of a miss or interception they can still shoot a lot.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 15 July 2015 17: 52
          +17
          Moreover, this line of defense, including against landing!
          Do not shoot missiles at the enemy’s landing!
          1. kimyth1
            kimyth1 15 July 2015 17: 55
            0
            duck landing then go with the cover will be !!! the same ship artillery !!!
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 15 July 2015 18: 22
              +18
              Quote: kimyth1
              duck landing then go with the cover will be !!! the same ship artillery !!!

              You will find it first - normal ship artillery.

              By the way, if a ship fires along the coast from guns, this means that it itself is in the zone of destruction of coastal artillery complexes. And the ship has nowhere to hide ...
            2. Nick
              Nick 15 July 2015 20: 36
              +1
              Quote: kimyth1
              duck landing then go with the cover will be !!! the same ship artillery !!!

              But certainly he will not be able to carry artillery cover from a distance of 70 km., And coming closer to the coast, he falls into the zone of action of coastal artillery.
      2. Maxom75
        Maxom75 15 July 2015 17: 48
        +9
        What about landing boats? And the enemy’s armored vehicles when trying to land on the shore. The task of the mobility of these complexes and the secrecy of the location must first be solved so that they cannot be destroyed at the first strike of the Kyrgyz Republic. And does it make sense to indicate your position until the enemy is in the affected area? Only a suicide will do this. And the likelihood that the frigate will be able to land in the Crimea is somehow unlikely at all. Such installations work for small purposes. With a barrel hit accuracy of 25km. And this is not enough.
        1. sap
          sap 15 July 2015 17: 54
          0
          Well, so in the barrel and even 25 km? Wonders.
          1. 31rus
            31rus 15 July 2015 18: 12
            +9
            Do not hesitate to see the Sau152 hit the bullseye, the calculation of conscripts
        2. kimyth1
          kimyth1 15 July 2015 17: 57
          -4
          With a barrel hit accuracy of 25km. And this is not enough. the barrel just hangs on the water and a fast boat ???
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 15 July 2015 18: 38
            +13
            Quote: kimyth1
            With a barrel hit accuracy of 25km. And this is not enough. the barrel just hangs on the water and a fast boat ???

            But for this, the army has cluster ("sprinkle it with chalk") and corrected shells.
            The fleet also wants these - but, fortunately, it always does not have money to duplicate army developments. So you have to humble pride and take the army system. Moreover, the situation has changed and now the army cannons are beating farther than the naval ones (once range was the navy’s last trump card). smile
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 15 July 2015 23: 05
              +1
              Quote: Alexey RA
              The fleet also wants these - but, fortunately, it always has no money


              I agree with you, but I didn’t understand why the fact that the fleet always has no money is fortunately ... Whose?
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 17 July 2015 15: 35
                0
                Quote: veksha50
                I agree with you, but I didn’t understand why the fact that the fleet always has no money is fortunately ... Whose?

                To ours.
                Because the rejection of interspecific unification and the parallel development of the same systems by the fleet and the army is the path to defeat. IJN and IJA guarantee. smile
          2. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok 15 July 2015 19: 13
            +1
            Quote: kimyth1
            With a barrel hit accuracy of 25km. And this is not enough. the barrel just hangs on the water and a fast boat ???

            Well, the same Beach has ACS with guidance from the locator and the calculation of lead, I think it will be similar here
      3. GRAY
        GRAY 15 July 2015 18: 02
        +4
        Quote: kimyth1
        at the frigate r.k. with a range of 500km !!!


        But the landing pelvis like "Mistral" is the most it.
      4. pv1005
        pv1005 15 July 2015 20: 13
        +2
        kimyth1 (4)
        at the frigate r.k. with a range of 500km !!!

        And the truth is, why do we need an assault rifle when the enemy has rockets? And just to think with your head, or even better to look through a textbook on tactics, it will not work, dear !?
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 15 July 2015 17: 39
    +3
    Central Research Institute "Petrel" by the order of the Navy will create a coastal artillery complex

    I wonder how much the creation of coastal artillery complexes is justified. Isn’t it easier to use army artillery, which is transferred when necessary to certain areas, if there is any need for it at all? what
    1. wk
      wk 15 July 2015 17: 48
      -11
      Quote: Vladimirets
      will there be a need for it at all?

      the need for the development of money ..... but the know-how for their development is not ... or there is no production technology ..... for lack of a stamp we write in ordinary
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    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 15 July 2015 18: 10
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      I wonder how much the creation of coastal artillery complexes is justified. Isn’t it easier to use army artillery, which is transferred when necessary to certain areas, if there is any need for it at all? what

      Not easier.

      BO artillery works on continuously moving and maneuvering targets. In some ways, its task is similar to anti-aircraft artillery, except that the target moves not in three-dimensional, but in two-dimensional space (a change in height can be neglected). Therefore, for the BO guns, a synchronous-tracking drive is needed that continuously corrects the HV and GN angles by signals from the SUAO. Well, the SUAO itself, calculating the data for a projectile meeting with a maneuvering target, too.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 15 July 2015 18: 20
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Not easier.

        Yes, in general, I mean that I do not see a real enemy who would have to confront such artillery. Sworn friends, before a hypothetical landing, will have to provide overwhelming superiority in the air, the suppression of air defense, etc. The coastal division can hardly cope with a massive landing with the support of aviation.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 15 July 2015 18: 28
          +5
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Yes, I generally mean that I do not see a real enemy who would have to withstand such artillery

          Local conflicts: operational coverage of the coastal flank, strengthening of BO in dangerous areas + the opportunity to work along the coast "if that" so beloved by the WWII fleet. Plus export to third world countries.
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Sworn friends, before landing a hypothetical assault, will necessarily have to provide overwhelming superiority in the air, the suppression of air defense, etc. The coastal division can hardly cope with a massive landing with the support of aviation.

          If the sworn friends have reached the landing, then there is no longer time for coastal artillery. In this case, "chegety" begin think for three in "Kazbek". smile
          Kohl top big faces
          Didn’t find a reason for the world,
          Could not agree
          So I'm the last argument.
          I am now the last argument!

          (c) N. Anisimov. Somewhere in the sky.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 15 July 2015 18: 45
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Local conflicts:

            For example? At our side is either NATO or China. I don’t think that the great Ukrainians will gather all their punts for the last blow.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            If sworn friends came to the landing, then here is no longer to the coastal artillery.

            So am I about that.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 15 July 2015 18: 55
              +6
              Quote: Vladimirets
              For example? At our side is either NATO or China. I don’t think that the great Ukrainians will gather all their punts for the last blow.

              At our side there are 14 republics of the former USSR. What Georgia alone is worth. And X is his Z, which can happen, for example, during the final delimitation of borders in the Caspian Sea.
              At one time, the conflict in Ukraine was considered complete fantasy and dystopia, and now Bobrov has become almost a documentary.
            2. veksha50
              veksha50 15 July 2015 23: 12
              +1
              Quote: Vladimirets
              I don’t think that the great Ukrainians will gather all their punts for the last blow.


              There are Japanese, Norwegians, Swedes with Germans at last ... Yes, even Georgia and Ukraine bit the rabid dog ... And the fleet should not ask, coordinate the help of the army if the attack went on the coastal strip ... this is an extra waste of time .. .And the army and the air force, and so come to the rescue, will not go anywhere, but time, time ...
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 16 July 2015 00: 50
                0
                Quote: veksha50
                Japanese, Norwegians, Swedes with Germans at last ...

                Taxes with the Germans in NATO, by themselves, will not turn up, if they turn up, then only with those whose name cannot be pronounced aloud. wink Yapi is possible, but very unlikely, if half of Japan is shot through with Shikotan.
                Quote: veksha50
                Yes, even a rabid dog bitten Georgia and Ukraine ...

                Georgians only if they buy an inflatable fleet, here all the events in the case of the darkest scenario will unfold on land. Ukraine too.
  4. Oman 47
    Oman 47 15 July 2015 17: 55
    0
    From the barrel artillery for moving small targets at sea ?!
    It is doubtful somehow.
    Is there a coastal gunner on the forum?
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 15 July 2015 20: 35
      +2
      Well, the fact that anti-aircraft guns hit WWII on airplanes does not lead to any analogies? And there’s more speed than speed boats.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 15 July 2015 20: 46
      +2
      You won’t believe it ... even from the guns of the first sailing armed ships .. fell ... and not bad .. We can say that the target is easier than the sea than on land. A tank can almost instantly change direction, but a corvette cannot .., not to mention larger targets. Large-caliber naval warheads at maximum ranges can be measured by a couple - three meters .., which is orders of magnitude smaller than targets.
  5. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 15 July 2015 18: 02
    +11
    On a cola bast - start over.

    The fleet was also asked to make it on the basis of the 152-mm Msta with the entire rich assortment of army shells, including guided ones (as well as with the possibility of supply from any military warehouses). But the navy has its own pride - and they made a complex based on the marine 130-mm.
    Now the fleet suddenly decided to go over to the army 152-mm cannon (namely, the army - the fleet still had its 152-mm under its projectile).
  6. atamankko
    atamankko 15 July 2015 18: 14
    0
    Your shore also needs to be protected.
  7. 31rus
    31rus 15 July 2015 18: 17
    +4
    You do not confuse the tasks of army units and coastal defense, working both independently and in cooperation with the fleet and ground forces, the main detection and target designation is here, despite the fact that missile defense systems will also operate
  8. Urri
    Urri 15 July 2015 19: 11
    +8
    "Coast" was created under the naval caliber 130 mm just to hit high-speed targets in the near sea zone. Shooting at the time the BMP amphibious amphibians that provided over-the-horizon landing with missiles and missiles developed at that time by the Americans were extremely expensive. To him there were problems with active-rocket projectiles for firing at a long range. The combination of high-speed 152 mm gun mounts of the "Coalition" with a range of APCs up to 70 km and radar + Berega computational facilities significantly shifts the horizon of the landing for the enemy. This is a serious blow to the tactics of the US Marine Corps. Now it is clear why KMP US NAVI turned down the development of an ultra-high-speed gliding BMP for over-horizon landing, stopping all work about a year ago. Perhaps somewhere leaked.
  9. Old26
    Old26 15 July 2015 20: 58
    +1
    HZ, is this good or bad. What is the coastal artillery now? Well, of course, except for the "Coast". I only know that coastal artillery at the Pacific Fleet is 130 and 100 mm. De-unification will practically go. Another caliber will appear, which is not in the fleet. And if somewhere there is (I just don't know) coastal artillery of 152 mm caliber, then it is completely different ballistics. How will the supply issues be resolved (if there are other, non-ground weapons). That is, there are a lot of questions.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 15 July 2015 21: 45
      +3
      In general, it was not necessary to initially introduce these calibers (100 and 130). Like it or not, the bulk of artillery on land needed to be unified for a long time - 125 and 152 mm.
  10. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 15 July 2015 23: 01
    0
    So work, defense industry, work !!!
  11. remy
    remy 15 July 2015 23: 22
    0
    for TOF the very thing!
  12. Voevoda2682
    Voevoda2682 16 July 2015 01: 21
    0
    For capturing and holding the port, but with a sufficient range and at the port territory is perfect. Plus this is not a platform limited by the weight factor ... good
  13. Wolka
    Wolka 16 July 2015 05: 40
    0
    Gentlemen, well, don’t think that in the headquarters there are only suckers, there are people thinking there, believe me ... hi soldier
  14. Engineer
    Engineer 16 July 2015 16: 03
    +1
    Why does the Navy's BV need a "land" 152mm art system? Why did no one think about why the Bereg complex was developed in the Union instead of using the same Mstu? Even the enterprise is the same. But the Shore is 130mm, and the Msta is 152mm. It's simple - this is the Fleet, and there is an AK-130 with a 130mm unitary projectile, so the Fleet ordered a 130mm artillery system for itself. Coalition-SV uses 152mm separate loading rounds. There is no such thing in the Navy. Therefore, it would be more logical to develop a new artillery system based on the new 130mm A-192 ship gun. I don’t understand something, or did you decide to withdraw the BV from the Fleet?
    1. Manul
      Manul 17 July 2015 16: 33
      0
      Quote: Engineer
      Why does the Navy's BV need a "land" 152mm art system? Why did no one think about why the Bereg complex was developed in the Union instead of using the same Mstu? Even the enterprise is the same. But the Shore is 130mm, and the Msta is 152mm. It's simple - this is the Fleet, and there is an AK-130 with a 130mm unitary projectile, so the Fleet ordered a 130mm artillery system for itself. Coalition-SV uses 152mm separate loading rounds. There is no such thing in the Navy. Therefore, it would be more logical to develop a new artillery system based on the new 130mm A-192 ship gun. I don’t understand something, or did you decide to withdraw the BV from the Fleet?

      I absolutely support it! It is necessary to improve the Coast, and not to let the generals cut the loot. We know these alterations of land weapons for the needs of the Navy. The jambs always come out! Everyone should do their own thing, and the "Coast" was created by specialists in coastal artillery.
  15. Polkanov
    Polkanov 16 July 2015 17: 06
    0
    ... THE COAST OF CRIMEA WILL BE SAVED by its Fleet and Army ...
  16. Vasilich.feo
    Vasilich.feo 17 July 2015 11: 47
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    If the density of the guns is high enough, then the cruiser will not be too good. hi[/ Quote]
    And most importantly, you will find this pig FIG and FIG. Kaaaaak smells on a teapot .....
  17. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 17 July 2015 18: 10
    0
    Each weapon has its own range of use and to build an echeloned defense you need howitzers and mortars and air defense and much more - so no need to break spears, which is better! It is better if everything works in a complex and it is enough for the declared military doctrine, but for now, like Mikitka, you have to threaten your potential "friends" with a nuclear baton! laughing
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