About the reasons for the defeat of the White Army

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About the reasons for the defeat of the White Army One of the most controversial questions about the Civil War is the problem of the defeat of the “white”, the White movement. Someone speaks of the small number of whites compared with the armadas of the Reds, the second recall the unpopularity of the White movement among the population, especially the peasantry, and still others claim that the Bolsheviks were able to turn the tide in their favor only through mass terror. There are many versions and theories, but apparently it is impossible to speak about this in this question. “Main reason” - the White movement suffered a defeat due to a whole complex of reasons.

Weak ideological base of the White movement. The Reds (Bolsheviks) had a powerful idea that was able to unite the overwhelming majority of the Russian population - workers and peasants. The whites did not have such an idea, it is absurd to believe that they were monarchists who fought for "a single and indivisible Russia", based on the principles of "autocracy, Orthodoxy and nationality." Opponents of the Bolsheviks were the most diverse parties, movements, groups: from socialists - Socialist Revolutionaries and Mensheviks and "centrists" - constitutional democrats (Cadets), Octobrists to nationalists and monarchists. And the same monarchists were not united, speaking for different candidates for the throne, and socialists and liberals fought against them, trying to prevent them from gaining.

Based on the weakness of the ideological platform, it is possible to identify another reason - whites could not put forward a common program of action for the majority of the population. and start doing it. Here the Bolsheviks completely outplayed them with their slogans “land to the peasants”, “factory workers”, “self-determination of nations, including secession and formation of sovereign states”, etc. nationalists slogan "united and indivisible Russia." Attempts to restore the old order, they irritated the majority of the population.

The Bolsheviks clearly caught the mood of the peasantry and from the VIII congress in March 1919, they changed their peasant policies. They moved from the policy of “neutralizing” the middle peasant to the search for an alliance with him. As a result, red able to deploy a large, peasant army at its core. For example: in March-April 1919 of the year, at the peak of the success of the army of Alexander Kolchak, he had about 130 thousand people, at the same time Anton Denikin had 60-thousand the army, Nikolai Yudenich had about 10 thousand bayonets and sabers, Vladimir Marushevsky (formed the Northern Army) about 15 thousand, and the number of the Red Army during this period increased to almost 1,5 million fighters.

In September-October 1919 of the year, during Denikin's highest successes, he had 150 thousand people, Kolchak had up to 50 thousand, Yudenich had 15 — 20 thousand, Miller had up to 20 thousand, and Vladimir Tolstov 20 thousand ( commander of a separate Ural army). And the number of the Red Army by this time has grown to 3,5 million bayonets and sabers.

With all the size of the Red Army, they were able to maintain a higher level of discipline. In the White Army, the desertion of the rank and file of peasants and workers took a much more serious scale than in the Red Army. White backs mired in drunkenness, corruption, looting.

The Bolsheviks were able to attract into the construction of the Red Army a significant part of the officer corps of Tsarist Russia, the so-called. military experts. The quality of the red parts was constantly growing.

Red were able to organize a whole network of underground Bolshevik committees in the rear of the White movement, a massive partisan movement began. This sharply weakened the combat capability of the white armies, which had to make great efforts to combat the peasant movement. A number of historians even believe that it was the peasant movement that became the main reason for the defeat of the whites. The Bolsheviks, unlike the whites, were able to provide a stronger rear, and this was achieved not only through repressive measures (the whites also did not hesitate to use them), but also thanks to a certain compromise with the peasantry.

Another reason for the defeat of whites - This is the advantageous position of the territories of the Bolsheviks on the white fronts. They had areas with the highest concentration of population and developed industry, including two megalopolises - Moscow and Petrograd. The Bolsheviks could carry out more massive mobilization, and having on this territory quite a few ideological supporters from the working class. In addition, it facilitated the maneuver of armies - by defeating or weakening one enemy, it was possible to transfer the shock forces to another front.

The intervention of Western countries led to the fact that patriots and statesmen began to unite around the Bolsheviks. They saw in them a force that could save Russia.

It should be noted, and the fact that the Western powers did not support the White movement in full force. Their goal was the collapse of Russia, its division into spheres of influence and the maximum exsanguination of the Russian people in a fratricidal Civil War. They did not need a "united and indivisible Russia." Therefore, helping white with one hand, representatives of the West with the other hand prevented them and supported the red - for example, Trotsky, who was an agent of the influence of American financial circles.
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  1. -2
    24 October 2011 09: 18
    The Holozadians defeated and began dispossessing themselves in life could not achieve anything ...
    If the neighbor has a cow, then the neighbor is a fist.
    1. +5
      24 October 2011 10: 57
      they had an idea and this idea was supported by ordinary people .a white with their bestial attitude pro .... whether
  2. mar.tira
    +2
    24 October 2011 09: 37
    And who are you yourself? A billionaire or something. Golozady is.
    1. +1
      24 October 2011 09: 41
      Not a billionaire, but in my life everything suits me, I have a private house, a good car, including an excellent salary, I don’t look with envy at people whose car costs 3-4 million. But at that time they did so. Himself zapadlo was to work and move their brains.
      1. sirToad
        +5
        24 October 2011 09: 48
        judging by the comments - it’s unlikely.
        1. -1
          24 October 2011 09: 52
          What doesn't look like?
          1. sirToad
            +5
            24 October 2011 09: 55
            too many enumerations about "what I have"
            1. 0
              24 October 2011 10: 20
              So in my opinion it should be with any person who has a head on his shoulders and a goal in life. I don’t boast of anything, I simply answered the statement of mar.tira that it’s not a nerdy billionaire. Previously, a neighbor with a cow was considered a fist, by analogy to date, this is a car.
              1. zczczc
                +6
                24 October 2011 15: 41
                Joker, with the only difference being that you are milking a cow, and the car is you. The horse was an analogue of the car. An analogue of a cow is a store.
                1. -2
                  24 October 2011 17: 27
                  Wow analogy, a cow is a super business, urgently need to sell stores and buy cows. Money is not enough from a cow, the presence of a cow said that the family does not live in poverty, and not that they have a dairy business. An analog in my closer is a car. Shop it too fast.
                  1. zczczc
                    0
                    24 October 2011 21: 13
                    JokerBut what, does a car give profit? Even if bombed by car, it is not food after all.
                    1. +1
                      24 October 2011 22: 17
                      No, just a comparison with the store in my opinion smile
              2. +3
                25 October 2011 01: 01
                Joker you exaggerate the envy of our people. A head on his shoulders, unfortunately. in Russia, it is still worth little - the main thing is relations with bureaucrats and the absence of any morality. At one time, they tried to ruin us stupidly through an aunt from the trade inspection. At the end we managed, but the business was closed for 6 months. I even had to really starve, no kidding.
                1. sirToad
                  +2
                  25 October 2011 02: 39
                  completely in the hole! Over the past fifteen years, I was driven three times to the minus - the last time in the 9th year I had to bankrupt the company and open a new one. monopolists are all in the party in power and many do not hide their goals: "we will crush you small fry and you will work as we say not how you want ... from the crisis we only get better, let it be even worse and then you will work for a crust of bread .. "- these are the statements of a deputy from a well-known party. so if the people go with axes, then I will not stand on the sidelines.
      2. mar.tira
        +3
        24 October 2011 10: 09
        All the same I can say about myself, only I also have land. That's just my ancestors were, as you put it, "bare-assed" And then they had their own mill, plowed themselves, sowed, collected bread and hay. , hired workers (drunks, newcomers, vagabonds, well, and who only lived by this) Well, what they went through, you yourself know. Why now I live in Siberia. So express yourself more clearly, please. True, she was on the White side And on Red, it seems to me. Only events began to develop so that everything got confused And poured into a massacre. In theory, one thing, but in reality it is much more terrible.
        1. +1
          24 October 2011 10: 23
          Well, it turns out that, in the opinion of the Red Army, your ancestors were fists, that's why I call the Reds bare-assed, because it turns out if the presence of a cow suggests that a neighbor is a fist, it turns out that in the Red Army there were only those people who had nothing at all, hence they are "bare-assed".
          Maybe I got a crude word, but the meaning is clear.
          1. mar.tira
            +4
            24 October 2011 10: 44
            The meaning is clear. The propaganda of those times is now talking to you. The Whites have red "bare-asses" and the Reds have the peasantry "kulaks." And in general, you are for the White. Yes, only I am for the Reds, because I hate modern "masters" and gentlemen who They want to return ordinary people to bondage, and profit from it. Here are cars for 3-4 million, yachts for 200 million and at this time homeless people, ruins of houses in villages, thickets of trees in abandoned fields. How much work does an ordinary person have to do - what to buy it without stealing, and without making money, huh? So where's the truth?
            1. +1
              24 October 2011 11: 04
              Well, I am always in favor of a productive dispute, because truth is born in a dispute.
              90% of entrepreneurs have achieved their well-being with their resourcefulness, perseverance and aspiration, not all by a finger turned from poor to rich, this is the result of hard work.
              There are many people who were not born poor and were born into wealthy families, but this is the result of their ancestors and saying that they live at the expense of others is wrong, all this money was inherited by the rich father, as they themselves will then give it all to their own to sons.
              I have a very good friend who worked for Pts all his youth. low salary, then at one point he spat on everything and decided to take a chance, cooperated with his brother, took a loan for a business and opened a store, it was 10 years ago, now he has a BMW X7 and his own business.
              Many do not dare to do this and then sit and scold the "rich", although they are to blame for themselves, you just need an aspiration, no one says that in a year you will become a millionaire, maybe at 50 only you will succeed, for that your children will get everything. Those who are in the government are stealing and not all of them, many have their own business taking advantage of their official position. If you had such an opportunity, would you refuse? At the same time, they do not interfere with anyone's life, so tell you whether they cut their salaries or do they not allow their business to be done? Why are they so embittered - yes, because everyone envies them and always tries to portray them as thieves (this deservedly applies to some) that's why they hate ordinary poor people who blame the rich for all their troubles.

              Each person with a desire and a clear goal in life can achieve a lot. It’s just that many lack it and they blame the rich who succeeded, and not primarily themselves.

              This is my opinion, I will be glad to discuss this topic.
              1. sirToad
                +9
                24 October 2011 11: 19
                again agitation "from the life of successful" fairy tales of uncle Primus. 1. A sufficient horseradish loan will be given if no collateral and housing will not be taken as collateral.
                2. one aspiration of nichrome does not give you if people around you live with a salary of 7-10 rubles, what are you going to climb?
                3. 90% - rose? maybe it's somewhere beyond the Urals.
                I myself have a construction company. I can’t call my income high. especially now. with great and terrible GDP (from about 2003 to 2008), things went much better. At the same time - never managed to get a loan !!! I work as I can. and n * zdets! If you can’t hook on a budget order (and you won’t catch it without grease), you will bend for one or two!
                resume - what kind of business can we talk about if there is a poor population around? what to laugh?
                1. -2
                  24 October 2011 11: 26
                  I agree, I have my own business, nov only went in a different direction, and more precisely in 2.
                  1) Auto Parts
                  2) Food
                  You know, if the 1-e rush turns out, then the 2-e is always in demand, then you need to eat. Therefore, I went in two and gradually develop them.
                  Enough for a living, I’m not particularly worried.
                  As for loans, so I already took them 4 times, which did not cause any difficulties for me. If you need to tell you where, write in a personal.
                  1. sirToad
                    +1
                    24 October 2011 11: 39
                    in our region, this is unrealistic (I'm talking about loans), despite the fact that my turnover with add-on GDP in the account in Alfa-Bank was approx. 15-20 million per month. I didn’t like that I quickly cashed out (and how the hell did you want to? I mean, building materials and consumables from which x * ev should I buy?) now they promised to help me get one mule for 10%, because the profile needs to be changed. There is a new direction, which has not been offended by flies but without pennies - you’ll raise horseradish. it's a whole year to practically work at zero.
                    1. 0
                      24 October 2011 11: 45
                      It's a shame of course, I wanted to take a loan at NRB, I just opened a business, they had a paycheck with me, so the goats refused! They said that net profit without the cost of goods should be at least 1mln. rubles, and I had almost 80% of the money to buy spare parts and the construction of stores was spent. And on bail, they did not take parts smile I took it at Sberbank, and now I’m working with them.
                      1. sirToad
                        0
                        24 October 2011 11: 50
                        Sber can give but in my current state - honestly said no more than 100 thousand. it's like an elephant's pellet. disperse in one or two. But I only need technological equipment for 350 rubles.
                      2. 0
                        24 October 2011 11: 59
                        Hmm, it’s strange, I’ll have less speed than yours, but 1mln. they calmly give me.
                      3. sirToad
                        0
                        24 October 2011 12: 03
                        where are you? where am I? and again this year I scraped together just 9 million in nine months.
                      4. +1
                        24 October 2011 12: 13
                        Given the construction or clean?
                      5. sirToad
                        0
                        24 October 2011 12: 16
                        total turnover on the account. if I still paid the full VAT I would have to soap the hemp rope and climb up the woods higher.
                      6. +1
                        24 October 2011 12: 20
                        Hmm, do you work at the expense of state orders or do you buy up land and build on it?
                      7. sirToad
                        0
                        24 October 2011 12: 25
                        with state orders - the problems are now 90% monopoly hawala. budget money has become less. Yes, and dear earth. so, for the most part, repairs can be taken on utilities - facades, roofs, porches. I bought the last site in 2007. for 400 rubles. Now the price tag is not much less - well, maybe 30% has fallen since 7 years.
                      8. +1
                        24 October 2011 13: 55
                        Can I try to build a line with buildings? Suppose we start with the construction of cottages or private houses, I build a cottage through 2, I somehow crossed with their foreman and pondered, it seems like a profitable business to start with.
                        Of course, Tajiks and co are building. But our are engaged in decoration, and not bad. Again, to start communication establish, etc. and there you can already build high-rise buildings.
                        At state orders, monopolists are a fact of course, it is difficult in terms of competition, I do not want to work at a loss either. Beetles are already sitting there, who are always the first to intercept, it’s like with a tender for repair and laying of roads in connection with the Olympics. Well, what to do, you need to spin. For the first time I didn’t visit home at all, I ride around here for talks.
                      9. sirToad
                        0
                        24 October 2011 14: 18
                        a lot of investments - I can’t just pull. and besides - according to incomes, the local population will not even draw a section in a downhouse! count the entire city of operating enterprises on the fingers. Well, if it turns out with the bank (they just called) then I’ll move my mega-project.
                      10. +2
                        24 October 2011 17: 23
                        Dare, good luck smile
                  2. Gur
                    +2
                    25 October 2011 09: 17
                    Yes, you are my friend, a speculator .. and hide behind the beautiful Western word "business", as Papanov used to say in the film "with such suppose we must fight." smile And I think that you do not blame at work. And if in the USSR they fought with this type of activity, now it blossomed in magnificent color and became ubiquitous. But the whole country cannot stand behind the counter. Someone has to produce the same spare parts and food (food that is half shit is another song). So those who produce all this by your definition are "bare-assed" losers. Maybe so .. but as sirToad writes to you, because of such cases, when one squeezes everything out of workers with low wages, the other sells the same products in his store at a price not controlled by the state (in small business), allegedly developing price competition, in fact it is not so but a complete conspiracy, leads to the impoverishment of violence. Lack of production, hence the lack of work and wages as a consequence, go into the cause of drinking and degradation of violence and the emergence of "bare-assed" and "cattle" who, for the lack of prospects, sink to this. And then, at an opportunity, there are such expropriators who come for your cow to get drunk. Probably that would not be necessary to bring the country and the people to such a state. BUT alas, this is happening now. Well, about successful people, honestly acquired from very rare people and mainly from people of mental labor, but they are not too far from the bigwigs of the business, and all these bigwigs .. I think everything acquired was originally based on theft, deception of a neighbor or the state.
                    As for the Red Army and the White, I already wrote .. those gentlemen .. who before the revolution did something for the greatness of Russia, honor and praise to them, but after the revolution they are my enemies. Since for everything that is listed in the article it was necessary to fight before, well, if it was already allowed before the revolution, then the hell it was necessary to arrange a massacre. And the victory by the "holo-back" of the Red Army took place not only on ideology, but also on the situation that was in the country.
                    At this time, more and more newly-minted masters of the country are crawling out into the light, both impostors and not so much (Mikhalkov and others), give each other titles, buy invented .. you are not afraid for the fact that such owners will return and demand the return of the lost and compensation damage because for them you are essentially the same "bare-ass"?
                  3. 0
                    10 January 2012 19: 58
                    1) Auto Parts
                    2) Food
                    Add medicine here and I wouldn’t count the prices. Are you talking? Have you tried to raise production, even the simplest? I guess I haven’t tried it. You can’t wind two ends in production. That's why people like you, mucus, and dispossessed
                2. +2
                  25 October 2011 01: 05
                  I’m talking about this to Joker, you won’t make a shit out of aspiration - anyone who has connections with bureaucrats and lacks any morality is on horseback.
                  1. -3
                    25 October 2011 09: 52
                    Are you hinting so tactfully that I have a lack of morality and my whole business is built on relations with officials?
      3. +3
        24 October 2011 10: 55
        Joker, have you ever wondered "who would I be now and where, if not for those naked asses?" who knows, if you had a house and a car now. Blue bloods are not observed, if you were, at best, a worker at a steel mill
        1. -1
          24 October 2011 11: 28
          This is a moot point, but we cannot rewind and check a time ago, but what would happen if ....
          I just expressed my opinion.
      4. +1
        25 October 2011 00: 56
        Joker I also have everything. Thank God, but the point is not in envy, but in justice. If a dude has earned his 3 million for a car in an honest business, then honor and praise be to him. If he bribed a bureaucrat or he was a bureaucrat and earned money on the collapse of his own enterprise, which the state entrusted to him, then this should be severely punished. I'm not even saying that this is a thief, a thief at least risks his freedom, and such a creature did not risk anything. Therefore, he is just a chaos, and unfortunately, almost all of our large business consists of chaos.
        1. +1
          25 October 2011 09: 57
          Of course you say the right things, no doubt, but how do you think the way ordinary people will understand a person’s honest business or not?
          In my opinion, God forbid, of course, if there is a revolution, then an honest and dishonest business will be destroyed, no one will understand. Somewhere I watched a video as some kind of popular movement burned all the expensive cars parked in the area with cottages. Then they were guided only by value and did not understand to whom the car belongs and how they bought it.
          You know, I don’t feel like burning a car.
  3. Ivan Krasov
    +1
    24 October 2011 10: 05
    The Russian people are gullible people and therefore believed the slogans "Land to the peasants" and so on. This is the first thing. Secondly, the White movement was mainly based on slogans without a return to autocracy, i.e. was close to those who made the February revolution, which did not find a response among the people.
    1. +1
      24 October 2011 11: 29
      It’s true, the election campaign is also gullible and designed.
      1. Ivan Krasov
        -1
        24 October 2011 12: 31
        Yes, trust is often exploited in our country.
  4. +1
    24 October 2011 10: 08
    For that fought for it and ran. The civil war was won at the expense of the peasants, their own victors, and began to spread rot in the first place.
  5. -4
    24 October 2011 12: 00
    specially for the Joker about the murder of Romanovs http://www.bogoslov.com/files/disk3/web.knigi./Tajnie.obs4estva/H10-T.htm there is an inscription on the wall Here is what a professor at the University of Vermont writes about this kabbalistic inscription ( USA) P. N. Paganuzzi in his book "The Truth About the Murder of the Royal Family" (pp. 68-69):
    "In the British Museum there is Enel's brochure" The Sacrifice ", translated into Russian. Summers / Mengold speak about the given symbols as follows:" The full disclosure of the secret meaning of the inscription is expressed as follows: "Here, by order of the dark forces, the king was sacrificed to destroy the state. All peoples are notified of this. "" And then, after the murder of the Royal Family, the red government issued a decree according to which all the property of the Romanovs was taken to the treasury. Banks in Russia were "nationalized" (in other words, seized by the Bolsheviks by Bronstein Kagan and others)
    1. +1
      24 October 2011 12: 11
      Thanks, read it. but you probably didn’t understand why I spoke about the Romanovs, it was just an example of the fact that all countries have a dark past, in Libya it’s Gaddafi, in Russia the Romanovs, in the USA John F. Kennedy, these are all victims of undercover games. And to say that jackals are not advisable in Libya, because jackals are obtained both here and in the USA.
      1. 0
        24 October 2011 12: 27
        about the Romanovs ... as one grandfather told me that Pushkin's fairy tale about the "golden comb" has come true ...))
  6. zczczc
    +1
    24 October 2011 15: 46
    The white movement suffocated for a variety of reasons:
    1. Lack of coherence in actions and organization. The units operated mainly separately;
    2. Whites supported what the people were tired of, the people were "in search of updates." In this sense, the people are victims of manipulation, because lived in protest moods. Whites found themselves between the people and the deposed king - the king was no longer there, and the people did not always welcome;
    3. There were strange behaviors. For example, selling captive red back to red was the norm. Justified by a lack of money;
    4. Well, and probably most importantly, White did not offer a program for updating the country. They did not see progress.

    The story is very deceiving, alas.
  7. mitrich
    +4
    24 October 2011 16: 43
    I personally saw in Yekaterinburg in the Temple on Blood, built on the site of the execution of the royal family, the heir to the throne 10 years ago. A well-fed boy, who does not speak Russian, held on to the hand of an asshole aunt who everyone called Mary ... he forgot his middle name. The boy has now grown up and looks like Moisha. Fatness only increased.
    If they are White, then it is not surprising that they lost. By the way, my late grandfather on his mother's side had an interesting entry in his military ID: "1918 - 1919 - service in the Kalchak army (that's right, the second letter" A "). He was not subjected to repression, contrary to popular belief in this regard.
    1. sirToad
      +3
      24 October 2011 16: 54
      was personally acquainted with an officer of the Kolchak army. More precisely, he was friends with his daughter (granddaughter, damn it!). the uncle died in 1989. the appearance is characteristic - a mustache "Skobelevsky", a shaved chin. He lived until 1956 in Harbin. when the Russian colony was dispersed there, part of them moved to Australia, and those who were not involved in the "executions" and cooperation with the Yapas in the Patriotic War - moved to the USSR. By the way, he also received a pension.
      And the "heirs" something lately, a lot here and hell with a hillock - Michael of Kent is also a challenger. And for me, all these heirs are just to justify a possible intervention
    2. 0
      24 October 2011 16: 59
      Maria Vladimirovna. Nothing special, unlike the Pope, is not famous.
      Unless the son (to call George) declared the crown prince.
      1. sirToad
        +2
        24 October 2011 17: 23
        and what, excuse me, is Dad famous? and then we village, lapotnya and we need before whom now and now to break a hat?
        1. 0
          24 October 2011 17: 53
          Vladimir Kirillovich. Another fighter against the bloody Bolsheviks. And the fight began, which is interesting, 26 June 41-th. At the end of the war, he came to 1-th RNA and tried to escape to Liechtenstein. At the entrance there he was turned and sent back to Austria.
  8. Evil Tatar
    +1
    24 October 2011 17: 10
    My acquaintance said that in childhood (approx. 1972), the late grandfather in a state of mind said: - I chopped up the little red ones, granddaughter, completely ... And with a palm down my throat ...
    The gloomy time was ... Creepy.
    God forbid to repeat ...
  9. +1
    25 October 2011 01: 53
    about the fact that the "soyuznichki" screwed up the author very so modestly and, as it were, reluctantly, but in vain
  10. Gur
    +4
    25 October 2011 09: 35
    I read it and just wonder .. is it that fashion is so now yes ?? The farther from the USSR, the more on the site .. grandchildren, great-grandchildren of the White Guards, and they directly write so almost with pride that the Reds were chopped up and all that. And what to be proud of? The people cut each other down, the red ones were mostly people, and the white gentlemen put cattle in their place. Is it really all "cattle" died out and there were only blue-blooded grandchildren and great-grandchildren? And this is nothing that in the Second World War the former White Guards outnumbered the SS by atrocities over peaceful violence, and that then they did not abandon the idea of ​​"On every lamppost". And does this not speak of love for "their" people, which raised without bars and factories and flew into space. For that, now the bar has sold the whole country for half a dollar and the people are again driven into trash.
    1. 0
      15 February 2012 16: 59
      I totally agree with you, GUR, and where did so many "former" come from. Noble assemblies, each has ancestors either in the Gothic Almanac or in the Velvet Book. But if you believe the current propaganda, almost all nobles were shot by "red beasts". how many descendants? Not otherwise, bastards! And about the "bare-assed ... In my opinion, God gave people everything that they require equally. Only some of them have their throats rushing, and others (by the way, working, without a / n) the family barely succeeds They explain to us - the crisis of the pier. And at this time, summer cottages, mansions, islands, yachts are bought. But for what merits? Hard means hard for everyone, and not only for workers who create products. And it is useless to expect good from such "masters of life" . While the fat one loses weight, the thin one will die.
  11. mitrich
    +2
    25 October 2011 10: 09
    Gur,
    I was simply stating a fact, if you meant my person. Grandfather served in the First World War, in the Kolchak army and in the Red Army in the civilian. In the Second World War, he was not called up for age and because of his profession (the "reservation" extended to railway workers). He died in 1972, a year before my birth.
    As for pride, here you have gone too far. In 1917-1918, students in cities or especially advanced ones may have figured out who they should go to fight for. And my grandfather was a peasant - the whites were mobilized, I had to go to serve, wherever you can go. Apparently, the "bloody" Stalin understood this, since he did not subject people like my ancestor to repression.
    1. ESCANDER
      +1
      25 October 2011 10: 24
      I agree with Mitrich.
      At that time, everything laughed and did not particularly understand.
      For example, my great-grandfather - the holder of the St George Cross in World War I was then the commander of a partisan detachment fighting against Belochekhov. Then he was dispossessed and sent to Narym, where he died. Go figure it out ...
      1. sirToad
        0
        28 October 2011 04: 47
        Hello dear! I'm sorry to break in - you seem to be from Aleisk?
    2. Gur
      +1
      25 October 2011 11: 18
      No, of course ... actually not at your address .. here and without your grandfather, there will be more leaders than there are more.
  12. Maksim
    +1
    27 October 2011 21: 56
    I hate the white army - this is a gang of bandits and thieves. this gang killed Mikhail Vasilyevich Frunze recourse , I shamefully hate this scumbag, it's so good that the white army lost
    1. mitrich
      +1
      2 November 2011 23: 29
      Maksim,
      dear comrade, where did you learn stories, would you be told offense? After all, Frunze died in 1925, 3 years after the end of the Civil War. I launched my ulcer, and I got sepsis. But what does Makhno have to do with the white movement? He then fought for the Reds, then just gangster. I hated white ones, just like you. Yes, he comes from Gulyai-Pol, and this is definitely not Western Ukraine.
  13. Georg Shep
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    29 February 2012 22: 22
    Eternal memory and glory to the heroes of the Russian White Movement!
    Sleep heroes Motherland, keeps a memory of you! ..