Russia turns to the machine

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One unpleasant restriction is peculiar to economic journalism: econometric parameters are a rather abstract thing, which is very difficult to “touch with hands”, but the desire to “touch and see” is peculiar to both the author and the reader. The “visual effect” is often more impressive than dry statistical calculations. It is precisely because of this, by the way, that Obama's speechwriters inserted into his speech the famous wording about "the Russian economy torn to shreds." The effect of visibility taxis, often even when it is weakly intersected with reality.

Right now in Russia there is one place in which you can touch and see with your own eyes the present and future of the Russian economy - this is Innoprom-2015 in Yekaterinburg. For example, by visiting one of the more 100 business sessions with foreign industrial companies that came to the exhibition, you can personally evaluate the realism of liberal media statements about complete, final and unconditional isolation of Russia.

Visiting the exhibition can help those who still live under the impression of the well-known liberal myth that "Russia does not produce anything, but only pumps oil." Of course, one can cite statistics that in the structure of Russian GDP, oil production is far from dominant, but the Russian helicopters seen, thought-driven exoskeletons or medical 3D printers are much more obvious. This does not mean that everything is fine and there are no problems, but it shows that rumors about the death of Russian industry and design ideas are somewhat exaggerated.

Ekaterinburg Innoprom shows that Russia is once again at the stage of accelerated modernization with the involvement of foreign technologies. Apparently, in each of our historical cycle there should be a period in which our country focuses, “turns to the machine”, attracts technology from the outside, and then makes a qualitative leap forward. Such periods were in the era of the Empire, and in the era of the USSR, and now we are seeing a similar stage in the development of modern Russia.

Innoprom is not only and not so much an exhibition as a platform on which negotiations are held, cooperation agreements are concluded and important statements are made. For example, according to statements by the Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov, one can judge what the state apparatus is doing day after day so that Russian industry can develop:

1. UralVagonZavod receive state guarantees for 20 billion rublesthat will allow you to get under them the cheapest bank loans;
Russia turns to the machine


2. The ministry has prepared and is pushing through a government directive which, by analogy with the enterprises of the military industrial complex, will prohibit state monopolies from buying foreign equipment in the presence of domestic counterparts;

3. The Minister predicts a growth in trade with China to 200 billions of dollars a year by 2020. By the way, China is a strategic partner of Innoprom-2015, and Chinese pavilion was opened by Denis Manturov and Vice Premier of the State Council of China Wang Yang.

Not without light trolling. Apparently, the art of trolling becomes an important skill for Russian top officials, just as once versification was obligatory for Chinese imperial officials. The Russian minister, speaking at the Innoprom plenary meeting, which was attended by numerous representatives of European companies, said: "Our colleagues from America so" helped "colleagues from Europe. They (the United States, - ed.) Trade increased by 12%, and in European countries fell by 9%. "

I want to draw your attention to several exhibits, which, from my point of view, are significant. It is especially pleasant that all of them, in one way or another, came into being thanks to the actions of our state, which revives and develops the Russian industry through the state corporation Rostec.

1. New space suit.

The Orlan suit, developed by the Technodinamika holding of the Rostec State Corporation, is another clear proof that # KosmosNash, despite all the temporary difficulties of the Russian space industry. Our spacesuit is lighter, safer and even more comfortable than American analogs..

2. Monoblock Tavolga.

The product of the joint work of the companies T-Platforms and United Instrument-Making Corporation (also owned by Rostec) is interesting because it is entirely Russian design. Creators of a monoblock computer declarethat all (!) circuit design and mechanical solutions of the product have been developed in Russia and that in the future Russia will also have its production.

Yes, it is impossible to launch the latest generation games on this monoblock, but there are definitely no “bookmarks” from our Western friends and partners. Every time when a Tavolga monoblock is delivered to a Russian company or to a secure facility, an NSA analyst who has been out of work will cry somewhere in California.

3. Lada Vesta.

AvtoVAZ brought its new development to Innoprom. This car is proof that international technical cooperation can really be mutually beneficial. It should be noted that without the protectionist measures imposed by the Russian government, despite the protests of that part of the public for which "Togliatti is a damned place", this car would simply not exist. Without healthy protectionism, there is no growth in industry, this has been repeatedly proven. Liberals accuse the government of the fact that the protective duties of “the name of AvtoVAZ” simply protect an inefficient company, in which the state, through the state corporation Rostec, has a share of ownership. But in fact, the state protects the future of the Russian car industry. This future can be seen today in Yekaterinburg. Agree, the future turned out very beautiful.

4. The brain-computer interface.

A few years ago, Runet looked with envy at the successes of American and Japanese scientists and engineers who managed to “make friends” with the human nervous system and electromechanical prostheses. The world boldly walked towards the epoch of cyborgs and combining the capabilities of man and machine, while Russia seemed hopelessly lagging behind. All the more pleasant today to see the Russian man-machine interfaces. On Innoprom This interface was presented by United Instrument Engineering Corporation:

OPK presented a brain-computer neurointerface at the Innoprom-2015 exhibition, which allows electronic and mechatronic devices to be controlled with the power of thought. The technology opens up new possibilities for medicine in the field of prosthetics and rehabilitation of people with various motor disabilities, as well as for the development of Russian robotics whole. "

All the above examples are in some way or another the brainchild of Rostec, a Russian state-owned company that has proven in practice that the state can be a very effective manager, combining economic efficiency, social responsibility and the constant need for technological growth. This is a wonderful experience of overcoming the myths and devastation of 90, and devastation is mostly in the head.

I already wrote that the special Russian economic way - It is a synthesis of an effective state and an efficient market, taking into account the merits and mistakes of our past and our competitors.

It is nice to see concrete manifestations of the effectiveness of this approach at Innoprom.

As an emotional point, I would like to mention the beautiful and very significant gesture of Rostec. A special exhibition of the achievements of Soviet industrial design was brought to the exhibition of industrial innovations in Yekaterinburg.


We learn to be proud of the past, to work effectively and to look to the future with hope. Russia turns to the machine, and it will all turn out well.
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  1. +68
    11 July 2015 14: 58
    "Russia is turning to the machine" - this should have been done the day before yesterday !!!!
    1. Master Yodo
      +3
      11 July 2015 15: 04
      UralVagonZavod will receive state guarantees for 20 billion rubles, which will make it possible to obtain the cheapest bank loans for them;

      Rather than investing in American papers at low interest rates, it would be better to credit agriculture at the same interest rates with the same UralVagonZavod. And so all these Schmond funds are under threat of arrest from all sorts of Yukos
      Something of meadowsweet is not quite Russian yet:
      The Meadowsweet Centurion has an 21,5-inch display with Full HD resolution, up to 32 GB of RAM, a hard disk and an SSD of 1 TB and 512 GB respectively, an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 850M graphics adapter (optional) and a fifth-generation Intel Core processor. Next year, a monoblock configuration based on Russian Baikal-M processors is expected to be released.

      The device also found use of Wi-Fi adapters 802.11b / g / n / ac, Bluetooth 4.0 and Gigabit Ethernet, two stereo speakers with 2,5 watts each, USB ports and a built-in battery that plays the role of a UPS. The computer’s battery life does not exceed 20 minutes. As an operating system, you can choose between ALT Linux, Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.
      The start of deliveries of the "Meadowsweet Centurion" monoblock is scheduled for the third quarter of 2015. The cost of the product is not called.

    2. +110
      11 July 2015 15: 23
      We barked, and then what?
      You voted for a hunchback and a drunkard? So why just now they started to swear? Where have you been before?
      It is necessary to rejoice that they began to turn, and not to swear, that they caught on late.
      1. +131
        11 July 2015 15: 41
        Quote: Rostislav
        It is necessary to rejoice that they began to turn, and not to swear, that they caught on late.

        I will begin to rejoice when I see Tavolga in M-Video and Eldorado, and preferably with domestic software. And at the moment we have all the government agencies on the LICENSE! Windows sit. And the monoblocks in them are called in Latin.
        Touching a picture of a bulldozer, but on the road works only CATERPILLAR and JCB.
        According to VAZ - the French are not profitable for the competitor. Kalina is slowly being "wrapped", in its place they are predicting Datsun, apparently a mixture of Kalina and Granta. And inside too. My opinion - comes down to the transition from full-size production to a banal "screwdriver".
        Then I want to take my leave, and say at the end - "Gop" is customary to say after the jump, and we keep trying. Moreover, under the pictures from NTV with a LADY in the foreground. hi
        1. +56
          11 July 2015 16: 11
          That's right, I really want to work on the Russian 100% all-in-one, laptop, tablet, make calls and access the Internet from the Russian 100% smartphone.
          And again they show us products with a very significant non-domestic component - whose processor is in this candy bar? - Intel, that's all.
          As for the lady, you were ahead, or rather laziness, to write about this harmful insignificance.
          How do you want the pace of industrial growth of the Stalinist five-year plans to return, albeit not so fast, it is clear that everything has become more complicated since then, but worthy of our country and, most importantly, the challenges of our difficult and turbulent time. It's time!
          1. +13
            11 July 2015 17: 18
            Quote: NordUral
            That's right, I really want to work on the Russian 100% all-in-one, laptop, tablet, make calls and access the Internet from the Russian 100% smartphone.
            And again they show us products with a very significant non-domestic component - whose processor is in this candy bar? - Intel, that's all.


            Chubais will flood us with its nanotechnology ...
            1. +16
              11 July 2015 18: 44
              In Chubax, a mountain of investment gives rise to a mouse of results.
              1. +17
                12 July 2015 12: 56
                I would like to see a Christmas tree on Red Square, hung, decorated (elegant) with Chubais, Stankevich, Makarevich, Ryzhkov, Kasyanov, Yavlinsky, Venediktov, street, sobchak, and many, many other wooden products!
                Around - a fun round dance and dancing!
                Sorry for the hard sarcasm!
            2. +5
              11 July 2015 19: 48
              Chubais will flood us with its nanotechnology ... [/ quote]
              Earlier it was reported that he is organizing the production of nano asphalt for roads, and fools feed him.
            3. The comment was deleted.
            4. +1
              12 July 2015 01: 39
              sherp. Chubais didn’t fill us up with nanotechnologies but non-technologies and agate technologies!
            5. +5
              12 July 2015 05: 19
              Quote: sherp2015
              Quote: NordUral
              That's right, I really want to work on the Russian 100% all-in-one, laptop, tablet, make calls and access the Internet from the Russian 100% smartphone.
              And again they show us products with a very significant non-domestic component - whose processor is in this candy bar? - Intel, that's all.


              Chubais will flood us with its nanotechnology ...

              It’s easier to fill it up on a nanobridge. am
          2. +9
            11 July 2015 17: 39
            Quote: NordUral
            whose processor is in this monoblock? - Intel, that's all.

            Like "Baikal-T", produced in Taiwan at the TSMC factory
          3. sent-onere
            0
            11 July 2015 18: 01
            Quote: NordUral
            That's right, I really want to work on the Russian 100% all-in-one, laptop, tablet, make calls and access the Internet from the Russian 100% smartphone.
            And again they show us products with a very significant non-domestic component - whose processor is in this candy bar? - Intel, that's all.
            As for the lady, you were ahead, or rather laziness, to write about this harmful insignificance.
            How do you want the pace of industrial growth of the Stalinist five-year plans to return, albeit not so fast, it is clear that everything has become more complicated since then, but worthy of our country and, most importantly, the challenges of our difficult and turbulent time. It's time!



            Well then, any smartphone is Korean or Chinese, and Nokia has never been Finnish :)
          4. sent-onere
            +5
            11 July 2015 18: 04
            Quote: NordUral
            That's right, I really want to work on the Russian 100% all-in-one, laptop, tablet, make calls and access the Internet from the Russian 100% smartphone.
            And again they show us products with a very significant non-domestic component - whose processor is in this candy bar? - Intel, that's all.
            As for the lady, you were ahead, or rather laziness, to write about this harmful insignificance.
            How do you want the pace of industrial growth of the Stalinist five-year plans to return, albeit not so fast, it is clear that everything has become more complicated since then, but worthy of our country and, most importantly, the challenges of our difficult and turbulent time. It's time!



            A backfill question: can I call the Lumia smartphone an American, despite the fact that the processor is created in Taiwan, the Korean matrix, the batteries are most likely Chinese?
            American: housing, device design and operating system.

            If the answer is yes. We’ll install our Russian OS, by analogy we will consider this PC a domestic development, and the version with Baikal will confirm this additionally.
            1. -6
              11 July 2015 18: 18
              Quote: sent-onere
              Then put your Russian OS

              Oops, where is it? Is there a Russian OS in nature?
              1. +6
                11 July 2015 19: 34
                Quote: rosarioagro
                Quote: sent-onere
                Then put your Russian OS

                Oops, where is it? Is there a Russian OS in nature?

                There is (and not one)! Ask our military ...
                1. +9
                  11 July 2015 20: 36
                  Quote: PENZYAC
                  There is (and not one)! Ask our military ...

                  Yes, I know the answer - "This is a military secret" :-)
                  1. +1
                    12 July 2015 05: 27
                    and you in the realities of the modern world wanted a detailed answer? with a demonstration of twisted pockets in front of foreign friends?
                2. +6
                  11 July 2015 21: 23
                  There is (and not one)! Ask our military ...

                  Take Linux "Dewdrop" at least! Made by our specialists, under our hands - I like it! good
                  1. +3
                    12 July 2015 10: 10
                    Quote: boris-1230
                    Take at least Linux

                    they took this Linux to the whole world, and it’s not worth anyone to call it American, South African or German, it’s just Linux, without a national component, so respect is given to all developers, regardless of their nationality.
          5. +8
            11 July 2015 21: 41
            Quote: NordUral
            And again they show us products with a very significant non-domestic component - whose processor is in this candy bar? - Intel, that's all.
            belay

            Specify meadowsweet in the studio?

            Well

            "Yes, it is impossible to run the latest generation games on this candy bar, but it certainly does not have any" bookmarks "from our western friends and partners. Every time a Tavolg monoblock is delivered to a Russian company or to a sensitive facility, somewhere in California an NSA analyst who is left without work will cry."

            assumes by no means Intel, but for example Elbrus-8s ... or some other (already).
          6. -1
            12 July 2015 05: 24
            as I understand it in Tavolga - everything is domestic. Therefore, it is not imprisoned for cool new games. That's how they are going to switch the Windows programs and what they caulked into the Meadow.? Interesting .. Curious
            1. 0
              12 July 2015 07: 21
              Quote: Russian063
              That's how they are going to switch the Windows programs and what they caulked into the Meadow.?

              There will be some kind of Linux, under it there is Wine.
            2. 0
              12 July 2015 12: 33
              Quote: Russian063
              That's how they are going to switch the Windows programs and what they caulked into the Meadow.?

              That is easy ... the truth Windows running from under Linux slightly slows down. But business applications are working fine.
              The thing is that there is another device on the motherboard of this computer - the compiler, one of its tasks is to translate commands incomprehensible to it for its processor .., therefore it slows down.
            3. +2
              12 July 2015 21: 31
              Quote: Russian063
              as I understand it in Tavolga - everything is domestic.

              The heart of the candy bar will be the fifth-generation Intel Core processor with Broadwell microarchitecture. And to be more precise, the Intel Core i3-5010U and i5-5287U processors. The characteristics of the motherboard allow you to install RAM up to 32 GB and a hard disk capacity of 1 TB. The main disk can be supplemented with an SSD disk of up to 512 GB through a modern M.2 interface. As an option in a monoblock, you can install the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 850M graphics card with 5GB GDDR2 memory. Screen characteristics are no different monoblocks of leading companies. Dimensions are 21,5 inches with Full HD resolution of 1920 × 1080 pixels. The display is built on an IPS type matrix. The presence of the DisplayPort connector allows you to connect an external monitor with a resolution of 3840x2160 pixels with a frequency of 60 Hz to the monoblock. For video conferencing, the novelty has a webcam with Full HD resolution. I would also like to say that the new items will have a built-in battery. This battery will allow the monoblock to work autonomously for about 20 minutes. In my opinion, this will be quite enough so that in case of an emergency power outage, you can save the information you need and turn off the candy bar. And the built-in stabilizer protects it from power surges.
              Personally, such a "stuffing" would suit me with my head, but: "... nothing is known about the price of a candy bar, but most likely it will be more expensive than foreign counterparts." The production of a monoblock within the country is planned in 2016. It is not clear what kind of import substitution can be made if all components are supplied because of the "hillock" (I apologize for the expression). All the stuffing of the candy bar: processor, video card, motherboard, etc. produced abroad.
              1. +1
                13 July 2015 15: 26
                so no .... Urya-patriots said that everything domestic will be !!! But how did they write that the employees of the NSA will remain without work ?? ahahah .... everything domestic from foreign components .... as a result, it will cost more and therefore no one will buy .... and even more so in all kinds of m-video it will not appear !!!
            4. 0
              13 July 2015 23: 45
              Quote: Russian063
              as I understand it in Tavolga - everything is domestic. Therefore, it is not imprisoned for cool new games. That's how they are going to switch the Windows programs and what they caulked into the Meadow.? Interesting .. Curious

              Once there were no windows prog. Everything will gradually appear for the Meadowsweet. There in the West and develop.
          7. +1
            12 July 2015 05: 53
            I believe that everything will be fine with us. And the technologies will be their own, and the factories will work. We haven't done anything for so many years. It's very difficult to start with almost "0".
            1. +1
              13 July 2015 14: 49
              Yes, we can believe that if all the problems voiced at the Congress of Parental All-Russian Resistance in Education are taken into account, and the state will turn to education face, not backside. Otherwise there will be only doubtful samples and no more.
            2. +2
              13 July 2015 23: 56
              Quote: danilofff
              I believe that everything will be fine with us. And the technologies will be their own, and the plants will work.

              Your optimism has two options:
              1) everything will be as you say, but you will not see it already
              2) only after the people come to power, otherwise see paragraph 1
          8. +11
            12 July 2015 06: 11
            An exhibition does not mean production. Collecting an exhibition copy is one thing, and launching a production is quite another. Where in wide access for the consumer monoblocks and cars, or again we are sucked in bullshit. Why the production of our medium-haul aircraft with domestic avionics has not yet been launched, why we still sell natural resources at low prices, and at the same time we take three skins from the domestic consumer of gas and gas. There is only one answer while the Medvedev government will manage the economy, there will be no upsurge.
            1. -7
              12 July 2015 16: 48
              at the same time we take three skins from a domestic consumer of gasoline. It’s not true that you don’t tear, I was in the geyrope, and there they really fight 1,5-1,7 euros per liter for gasoline. Convert to rubles and feel the difference. I wanted to rent a car, I thought it would be cheaper to drive, so it turned out that it was cheaper only from 8 people .... wassat
              1. +5
                12 July 2015 21: 34
                Quote: ingener1966
                Convert to rubles and feel the difference.

                Convert our salaries and pensions to euros and you will feel the difference! laughing
              2. 0
                13 July 2015 09: 42
                But you forgot that the EU does not actually produce hydrogen sulfide, but mainly purchases,
                but Russia is one of the largest suppliers of oil and oil products to the world market. Why in Venezuela the cost of gasoline is several times lower than the Russian one. In Russia, everything is turned upside down.
          9. -2
            12 July 2015 10: 54
            the processor there is mtsst "elbrus", foreign memory, and a video card too, although there is a graphics core in the process and if you work purely in the office, then it will be enough.
        2. 0
          11 July 2015 17: 02
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And the monoblocks in them are called in Latin.

          In Latin, the name of the company is written and not a monoblock.
        3. PiP
          +12
          11 July 2015 20: 33
          Rostislav SU Today, 15:23
          We barked, and then what?
          ...
          It is necessary to rejoice that they began to turn, and not to swear, that they caught on late.

          Ingvar 72 (3) RU Today, 15:41
          I’ll start to rejoice when I see Tavolga in M-Video
          ...
          NTV with DAMA in the foreground. hi

          And I'll start with the fact that ... I work as a "service engineer", for myself in general IP ... There is a "pavilion" (5mx1m) where I do all the work ... DO NOT TRADE! And now, our government, in the desire to "put everyone at the machine", introduced a law on July 1 (the essence of the law is that if you have "retail space" pay! (Dofiga turns out (another lease))) Surprisingly, around me people with higher educations who worked / served in the USSR work, but NOW THERE IS NOTHING TO GO TO WORK (I DO THE SAME, I know the principles, but I don’t know the equipment) after 40kA try to get a job recourse So, I'm happy for any (in this place I was banned) that "BIG PEOPLE" (VAZ, GAZPROM, KAMAZ, etc.) do, but I get upset when I'm stressed ... when I wrote -
          I am not for Putin and not against him, I am a loyal citizen of the country's leadership, there will be new leaders who will treat them the same way until they start to really strain me. September 25, 2013 18:46
          Now they begin to strain me ...
          1. one
            -3
            11 July 2015 21: 50
            Quote: PiP
            I am not for Putin and not against him, I am a loyal citizen of the country's leadership, there will be new leaders who will treat them the same way until they start to really strain me. 25 September 2013 18:46 Now they begin to strain me ...

            prepare your sled in the summer ...
            hi
            or come yesterday with a bag ..
            bully
          2. +1
            12 July 2015 05: 31
            Why do you somehow wrongly drawn up a lease of space. There is a difference between SHOPPING and Office. and still there are PRODUCTION. remake the lease if you are not trading and happy sailing.
        4. 0
          11 July 2015 20: 58
          not everything is immediately respected, give time and believe everything will be as it should! (And yes, and do not forget to try to make sure that tomorrow comes as soon as possible).
          1. SSR
            +2
            11 July 2015 21: 53
            Quote: free
            not everything is immediately respected, give time and believe everything will be as it should! (And yes, and do not forget to try to make sure that tomorrow comes as soon as possible).

            I’m wondering)))) and many forum users know that since May they have been selling soda and energy drinks only since they were 18 years old ?!))) except our soft drinks)) one of my dreams came true, now glutamates would be very expensive
            1. 0
              13 July 2015 15: 30
              I did not know))) well, if so))) but can the source come from where is this infa ??
          2. +1
            12 July 2015 05: 33
            I agree. It is necessary to try. For communism has remained in our bright future ....
        5. 0
          11 July 2015 22: 02
          And here you are lying! In the north - FOUR Russian. It is slower, but passable. Correspondingly, the price.
        6. 0
          11 July 2015 22: 20
          About Komatsu forgot to say.
        7. +5
          11 July 2015 22: 54
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I’ll start to rejoice when I see Tavolga in M-Video and Eldorado, and preferably with domestic software.

          I do not see the point in the meadowsweet. candy bars are an extremely vulnerable and niche product. it would be better if I learned to do the parts separately and I will collect the necessary pitch myself
          1. 0
            12 July 2015 05: 35
            You are now climbing into small particulars. Starting - done. Now they will do parts and cases for sale ....
            If this is of course a trend, and not another option for cutting dough ....
        8. +1
          11 July 2015 23: 07
          "The farthest journey begins with the first step."
          Nobody says "Gop" yet, and you can still find many reasons for grief to those that you have listed. But they began to turn, and this is important.
          Yes, slowly. Yes, often in words in peppy reports instead of deeds, but they started. And it pleases me. All adults and everyone understands that there will be no instant changes. Who will make them instant? Those who have refueled for 15 years in their own pockets and now continue to lead, for the most part, many? They, this is the old leadership, still need to be changed.
          But the good news is that there are changes. And the more often instead of sweeping whining
          on roadwork alone CATERPILLAR and JCB.

          if there is concrete criticism of fraud and imitation of activity, the faster the changes so needed by the country will occur.
          1. +2
            12 July 2015 07: 39
            Quote: Rostislav
            And the more often instead of sweeping whining
            on roadwork alone CATERPILLAR and JCB.

            I put you a plus for the essence of the answer, but still I will find fault with the words - what is the indiscriminate whining? The fact that in road repair work I see only imported equipment and do not hesitate to say so?
          2. +6
            12 July 2015 16: 58
            The main problem in the frames. I work as an installer in an electrical installation company, it’s just awful, guys with a HIGHER EDUCATION come so they don’t even know how to read the schemes, but they scream that they’re engineers. They don’t know how. Where are the USSR professional technicians who trained installers are an order of magnitude higher than modern engineers.
        9. +3
          12 July 2015 05: 22
          for VAZ you are 100% right. I know this not by hearsay. the policy is cunning. It seems that VAZs are not being removed from the assembly line at all, they are even improving something there, but in fact there is an emphasis on Datsun. Renault is leaving the market, Datsun and Chevrolet-Niva will remain. And although from the Chevrolet on the car there is only a nameplate on the gas tank cover and on the radiator grill, but this is a Chevrolet Niva and nothing else.
          1. 0
            12 July 2015 12: 38
            Quote: Russian063
            for VAZ you are 100% right. I know this not by hearsay. the policy is tricky. It seems that the "VAZs" are not removed from the conveyor at all, they even improve something there, but in fact there is an emphasis on Datsun

            Yeah .. Considering that the Datsun is collected in Izhevsk .., together with Kia .. That’s how it is clamped. So it’s clamped .. Shniva is made in a separate workshop, where export fields were previously assembled. So nothing has changed.
        10. +1
          12 July 2015 07: 21
          Our people brought to the exhibition to see we can see, but everything needs money, that to compare the manufacturers CATERPILLAR, JCB and ours, they kicked us in the 90s, and we get up, we are still kicked, and we get up, it's just harder to kick us. Let everything be belatedly, albeit, but the step itself says a lot, this is the foundation, and it is the most important, and the rest is improvisation and it is many times faster.
        11. -1
          12 July 2015 11: 53
          With a banal screwdriver, the price is not real. not going anywhere. We will have accessories to rivet.http: //www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/? search = automotive
        12. 0
          12 July 2015 14: 05
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I will begin to rejoice when I see Tavolga in M-Video and Eldorado

          I doubt that this will happen in the near future. Since there are suspicions that this monoblock was assembled on a Russian processor, there were reports that such products would be delivered only to industry and special departments. Expensive is a pleasure.
        13. +1
          12 July 2015 22: 07
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I will begin to rejoice when I see Tavolga in M-Video and Eldorado, and preferably with domestic software

          Good luck! If only the price would not upset smile
        14. +1
          13 July 2015 17: 05
          Exactly! Yesterday I was in the store - there is no "TAVOLGA" bought "ASUS".
          And the phrase "... in future in Russia will be adjusted and its production "just touches.
      2. +1
        11 July 2015 16: 04
        It is also necessary to scold and vote correctly. Otherwise, then your grandson will repeat your reproaches to us, "spiteful critics".
      3. +13
        11 July 2015 17: 23
        Quote: Rostislav
        Russia is turning to the machine, and it will succeed.

        I personally had to vote on an urgent basis. They don’t care, the newsletters came and threw the whole company, who is not clear there. Stupidly came and stupidly voted. Rostislav, and you saw how in the 90s officers went on guard so that they would not plunder an airfield in the city of Stry, Lviv Region. PRIKVO? How did Dad bring dry tea, and how did we get out of the outskirts? Now it seems a long time ago, and then in 1991 there was no laughing matter. Every day in our military camp 3-5 KAMAZ trucks were loaded. And we were leaving nowhere. It was a must see! Dad got an apartment in Severodvinsk according to the Yeltsin certificate, and before that it was a complete bang!
      4. +2
        11 July 2015 21: 59
        My friend, so the choice was not rich! Uncle ZYU does not suit me today.
      5. +6
        12 July 2015 05: 14
        There were also exhibitions in the USSR, and the most important permanent VSKhV, VDNKh, VTS (there is no need to talk about this abbreviation). There were also exhibits, they watched, gasped and waited for us to see in reality. We saw space, were glad, bought "Fiat- 124 "obser ... from all sides, here" Victory "is a car, metal armor, and before that the Volga was watered. But not everyone could buy. I'm not talking about consumer goods, but televisions appeared. In old age, I walked through to the workshops of the plant "1905", 90s, the equipment is German in 1936, the contribution helped. I don’t want to talk / write anymore when Dimon, with Roman law, manages the economy of a huge country. I will not live to see the noodles Let the defense industry be extended, our children and grandchildren still have to live and live.
      6. +2
        12 July 2015 05: 18
        this is not abuse, as I understand it, but bitter regret.
      7. +6
        12 July 2015 09: 53
        Quote: Rostislav
        We barked, and then what?

        Rudeness does not decorate.
        A reasoned, clear and supported by facts and materials answer will give much more common sense and information.
        And so, you just did the same thing - barked. hi
      8. +9
        12 July 2015 09: 59
        Quote: Rostislav
        It is necessary to rejoice that they began to turn, and not to swear, that they caught on late.

        I will be very happy and jump with happiness when my armless neighbor makes his own coffee and sews a button using prostheses on the neural interface; when people buy a Lada instead of a Volkswagen, simply because it is better, not because it is cheaper; when at my work they begin to change computers "made in China" with stuffing and software "made in USA" for Russian monoblocks with an Elbrus processor and Russian software.
        And I forgot how to rejoice in talking and projects back in 90's.
      9. 0
        13 July 2015 23: 35
        You are not saying it right. Hunchback chooses the party congress on the recommendations of the CPSU Central Committee and the Politburo. I did not vote for the hunchback. Yeltsin would never have become the leader of Russia, if one lawyer had not cast one vote in the Supreme Council, he would not have been a deputy. Well, in addition, Yeltsin deceived the people. He publicly promised popular capitalism with a human face. The people - believed the deceiver. And to become president, he ruined the USSR, because under the current president (humpbacked), he could not become president. And again, deceit - the people in the referendum voted by majority to preserve the USSR. He did not warn the people that he would deceive everyone later. All over the world, they first choose, and then they goggle, and with the back mind it is easy to criticize the past.
      10. 0
        14 July 2015 14: 25
        Better later than never! "- said the Jew, putting his head on the rails and looking into the distance of the departing train ...
        The most important thing here is who will stand at this machine. Now workers' professions are in an acute shortage, it is urgent to create professional "institutions" of workers in the country, such as turners, milling cutters, fitters, etc. Otherwise, there are only managers, lawyers, financiers with economists, and in production there are only "guest workers" ... fellow
    3. +7
      11 July 2015 15: 23
      it had to be done the day before yesterday !!!!

      Why not done?
      Relaxed, foreman? Accustomed here, behind the officer’s backs ?!
    4. +6
      11 July 2015 15: 27
      about this meadowsweet matadong
      http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/64781/

      this is a "trusted download" module with germanium diodes from the times of the king of the peas, there is nothing more of ours ...

      1. -7
        11 July 2015 15: 47
        But did you hesitate?) But Dimasik approves! Soon, a laptop weighing only 25 kg will be finished, using super-nano technologies ... It will have no analogues in the world !!
        1. +22
          11 July 2015 17: 21
          There is nothing to rejoice. Sit on your ass yourself. Did anything for the Fatherland ??? And drop your poison, not carry bags ....
          1. +35
            11 July 2015 19: 56
            I have done a lot for the fatherland for forty years. Naturally, for its capabilities. And he answered for his mistakes and shortcomings. Unlike DAM, whose photos are scattered throughout the article. Even before that, he wrote a draft decree on recovery himself.

            Well, now more specifically - what to rejoice at? Wish to? Or the fact that the government claims that in 2015 there will be a decrease in GDP? Why do I have a Chinese PC, a refrigerator and a washing machine in Belarus, why did my wife buy a Turkish jacket ?! Maybe because Medvedev, who is in the photo, never answered for his notions (the police, the Order of Gorbachev, part of the Barents Sea, norway and other billions to the wind), and Chubais pay hundreds of millions of rubles a year ?!

            The article is completely unrelated to the actual state of affairs. This Innoprom is simply a "Potemkin village".
            1. +8
              11 July 2015 20: 19
              Quote: My address
              Belarusian refrigerator and washing machine,

              I also prefer Atlant! drinks
              1. Alf
                +6
                11 July 2015 21: 07
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I also prefer Atlant!

                Great device! Since the 98th year it has been threshing, never once (pah, pah) did not cause any complaints. It can be seen that the Old Man will flog his own for quality.
                1. +3
                  11 July 2015 22: 15
                  I have a telly LG 3D of the Russian assembly.DVD assembly Khabarovsk-twice 380 survived on nutrition ... It’s time to repair the bearings, the noise is noisy. Passport service life is 10 years, it plowed 11,5. I’ll cut the tank, change it. Five more years will live. Not everything is so bad.
            2. Alf
              +21
              11 July 2015 21: 05
              Quote: My address
              This Innoprom is simply a "Potemkin village".

              Especially touched about the disabled.
              The technology opens up new opportunities for medicine in the field of prosthetics and rehabilitation of disabled people with various motor impairments,

              How long will these prostheses cost? Who will give them to them? Our disabled people in trash containers rummage, delivering products. Once again, some Ministry of Finance declares. The country is in a difficult situation, it is necessary to cut social and medical expenses.
              I already have a strong conviction, I saw an iPhone, consider it a failure.
              1. +3
                12 July 2015 10: 03
                Quote: Alf
                The country is in a difficult situation, it is necessary to cut social and medical expenses.

                Quote: Alf
                Our disabled people in trash containers rummage, delivering products.

                To start small - to establish the production and provision of disabled people with basic necessities: diapers, diapers, walkers, handrails, etc., etc. ...
                After all, this does not require NANO technology? AND?
            3. +2
              12 July 2015 05: 47
              Well, why Potemkin. VAZovskaya Vesta is still preparing for the exit. The preparations for the series are in full swing.
        2. +18
          11 July 2015 18: 47
          It also became interesting about the meadowsweet. Driven in Yandex "Monoblock tavolga" the first line in the search - pdf from the manufacturer's website

          Processor
          Intel® Core ™ i3-5010U or i5-5287U

          Memory
          4 GB DDR3 | optionally up to 32 GB

          Disk subsystem
          2.5 ”HDD 512 GB | optional - increase HDD up to 1 TB, add SSD up to 512 GB

          Graphics
          integrated graphics chip in the processor | optional - NVIDIA ® GeForce GTX 850M, 2 GB GDDR5

          And they will sell it to the state. thousands of institutions at 200-300 apiece.
          Sadly however ...
        3. +4
          12 July 2015 02: 06
          Well, Explorer, I see that you are an inveterate pessimist. After the war, we rebuilt the country with a shovel, crowbar and Kyle, then we gradually revived the entire industry and entered the forefront in the world. And now we still have devastation, though it’s not like that after the war, but the devastation. And I believe that in 5 - 10 years, and maybe even earlier, we will overcome all the devastation, and in the heads and in the whole economy, everything goes to this. Therefore, I do not put you a minus, you have already earned enough of them. Sincerely. R.S. And with Chubais and Damasiks, and the like, we will deal with time. There is a time for everything!
          1. -1
            12 July 2015 05: 49
            And I believe ... and the alarmists and liberalists are pro-Western.
          2. +2
            12 July 2015 15: 05
            Quote: Starik72
            And this hour we still have devastation, though not the same as after the war, but devastation.
            I would say worse. Then there was an external enemy, but the economy and industry were working at their limit, many enterprises had to be moved, but they continued to function. In the current situation, we are witnessing a degraded industry and economy not as a result of attacks and bombings, but as a result of reforms "competently carried out" by the patriotic government, the effect of which is sometimes worse than from the bombings. And all this in peacetime. Paradox.
            Quote: Starik72
            And we will deal with Chubais and Damasiks, and the like with time.
            What about their friend Volodya?
      2. +43
        11 July 2015 15: 57
        Quote: war and peace
        about this meadowsweet matadong
        http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/64781/
        this is a "trusted download" module with germanium diodes from the times of the king of the peas, there is nothing more of ours ...
        ]

        Intel is certainly hard to compete with.
        The first Intel 14 nanometer processors to hit the market were Core M products (Broadwell generation) designed for fanless and hybrid laptops. And now, during the CES 2015 exhibition in Las Vegas, Intel announced the fifth generation Broadwell-U - Core chips.
        In total, more than one and a half dozen Broadwell-U processors for desktop computers and laptops are presented. Like Core M, the chips are manufactured using the 14-nanometer technique using volumetric transistors. By the way, the number of transistors reaches 1,9 billion.
        All debuted chips have two processing cores and an integrated graphics controller Intel HD or Intel Iris. Depending on the model, the simultaneous execution of two or four threads of instructions is supported. The maximum value of dissipated thermal energy is 15 or 28 watts.

        But not competing is even dumber. Without intensive work, milk cannot be knocked out of milk.
        1. +21
          11 July 2015 16: 14
          Hello Aron! hi
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          But not competing is even dumber. Without intensive work, milk cannot be knocked out of milk.

          I agree with the competition, but WHO will do this? Chubais?
          It is necessary to go along the Chinese path. Take ready-made products (by the way, stolen from us in places) and stupidly copy, while studying, modifying and creating a scientific and technical base. And there’s nothing wrong with that. The same Kalashnikov put together a bunch of different technical ideas and adding his own, he created a phenomenal machine gun. With the atomic bomb was almost the same. hi
          1. +10
            11 July 2015 16: 25
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Hello Aron! hi
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            But not competing is even dumber. Without intensive work, milk cannot be knocked out of milk.

            I agree with the competition, but WHO will do this? Chubais?
            It is necessary to go along the Chinese path. Take ready-made products (by the way, stolen from us in places) and stupidly copy, while studying, modifying and creating a scientific and technical base. And there’s nothing wrong with that. The same Kalashnikov put together a bunch of different technical ideas and adding his own, he created a phenomenal machine gun. With the atomic bomb was almost the same. hi

            In general, as far as I remember, the Renaissance began with copying samples of Greco-Roman culture by sculptors, artists and writers of the Renaissance. So, learning from other people's models is not a Chinese idea at all. You just need to create conditions so that it is profitable to invest in Russia, and to buy stupidly. In Israel, for half a year, foreign investors (China, the USA, Europe) bought start-up companies in the field of high-tech for 5.5 billion. $, The question is why the Russians do not buy? Indeed, if they sell it to China, they would sell it to Russia.
            1. +12
              11 July 2015 17: 53
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Indeed, if they sell it to China, they would sell it to Russia.

              You are mistaken, the technology of Russia to sell is a thankless task. Rather, the unspoken taboo. Remember the example of Volvo, where Canadian Magma together with Sberbank wanted to buy a controlling stake in Volvo - they refused it only because of the participation of Sberbank. And eventually they sold it to China. hi
              1. +4
                11 July 2015 20: 47
                It was an Opel.
                1. +4
                  11 July 2015 21: 00
                  Quote: ssergn
                  It was an Opel.

                  Thank you for correcting, but in general it does not change the essence. hi
            2. +5
              11 July 2015 20: 21
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              ... You just need to create conditions so that it is profitable to invest in Russia ...

              We must stop hoping and praying for private, especially foreign investment. It is difficult to expect private investment where the "native" state does not invest.
              First and foremost, and on a large scale, investments should be made by the "native" state itself! It is investments, not loans and guarantees, especially at practically prohibitive interest rates!
              And private investments, which will certainly follow the state ones (the private trader loves the benefits, not the risks), will not interfere as an addition, but not the basis (they will be - well, they will not - we will not cry) ...
          2. +2
            11 July 2015 20: 08
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Hello Aron! hi
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            But not competing is even dumber. Without intensive work, milk cannot be knocked out of milk.

            I agree with the competition, but WHO will do this? Chubais?
            It is necessary to go along the Chinese path. Take ready-made products (by the way, stolen from us in places) and stupidly copy, while studying, modifying and creating a scientific and technical base. And there’s nothing wrong with that. The same Kalashnikov put together a bunch of different technical ideas and adding his own, he created a phenomenal machine gun. With the atomic bomb was almost the same. hi

            The first serial Soviet tanks were the "Russian Renault", and just 20 years later the T-34 appeared ...
            That's just, it's naive to wait for the new "T-34" from "effective managers" (to drive, drive, drive with a nasty broom along with their "efficiency", which has nothing to do with real efficiency), they are not trained for that ... But engineers we have the best, as always ...
        2. +14
          11 July 2015 18: 16
          I’ll be thrown with tomatoes, but in this article I saw Rostec’s report (excuse) for the invested funds. If you add all the receipts to Rostec, you can do more and better. Much better! what
          1. 0
            12 July 2015 05: 55
            It's a clear month that they sawed off somewhere, but I think these "lumberjacks" will also be found .. They found Skolkovo billions. And even the guilty ones ... were found ..)
        3. PiP
          +1
          11 July 2015 21: 08
          hi Aaron Zawi
          Citation
          ...
          dumber. Without intensive work, milk cannot be brought down from milk.

          AMD-successfully competing ... Where is our Elbrus?
          1. 0
            12 July 2015 02: 02
            Quote: PiP
            AMD-successfully competing ...

            amd ... successful? Uni Corps 2000. here is a complete review. amd slag. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kkFFRughYo

            so successful that they are looking for a buyer.
        4. SSR
          +5
          11 July 2015 22: 03
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: war and peace
          about this meadowsweet matadong
          http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/64781/
          this is a "trusted download" module with germanium diodes from the times of the king of the peas, there is nothing more of ours ...
          ]

          Intel is certainly hard to compete with.
          The first Intel 14 nanometer processors to hit the market were Core M products (Broadwell generation) designed for fanless and hybrid laptops. And now, during the CES 2015 exhibition in Las Vegas, Intel announced the fifth generation Broadwell-U - Core chips.
          In total, more than one and a half dozen Broadwell-U processors for desktop computers and laptops are presented. Like Core M, the chips are manufactured using the 14-nanometer technique using volumetric transistors. By the way, the number of transistors reaches 1,9 billion.
          All debuted chips have two processing cores and an integrated graphics controller Intel HD or Intel Iris. Depending on the model, the simultaneous execution of two or four threads of instructions is supported. The maximum value of dissipated thermal energy is 15 or 28 watts.

          But not competing is even dumber. Without intensive work, milk cannot be knocked out of milk.

          +
          Imha
          It is necessary to compete not in an attempt to create a similar processor, but to compete by creating a processor on a different elemental basis and other principles of work, and if this product is more energy-efficient, more productive, more reliable, then there will be real competition, and everything else is zilch. Today, TECHNOLOGIES are competing.
          1. +3
            12 July 2015 21: 54
            Right. I would even say - it's too late to compete. It is necessary to get ahead, to develop other, more effective technologies. I saw in the news that landings began in Rusnano ... Where is Chubais? Not half a word, not half a frame request
        5. 0
          12 July 2015 02: 15
          I support you Aron Zawi. You can’t take a fish out of a pond without labor. Competition by competition, the main thing is to have an interest in your production. And she is this hour.
        6. 0
          12 July 2015 05: 51
          Many quotes ... and your opinion is only 3 sentences. And those are commonplace.
      3. +6
        11 July 2015 18: 13
        "with germanium diodes from the times of the king of peas


        At first I was surprised. Really, why? And this is just a noise generator. Come up with better and easier. Well, there aren’t such ours in planar design, and it’s not funny to take cryptocode from others.
      4. -1
        11 July 2015 19: 51
        Quote: war and peace
        about this meadowsweet matadong
        http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/64781/

        this is a "trusted download" module with germanium diodes from the times of the king of the peas, there is nothing more of ours ...

        There is our scheme and "firmware", and this is the main thing.
        In addition, for example, Belarusians (Minskers) have long been producing many full analogs of "foreign" components, including those under a license, differing only in slightly modified markings (add letters indicating the manufacturer) ... Maybe you would say that Belarusian - not domestic? ... There is even an acceptance from our Ministry of Defense ... Do you think that Russian enterprises (Novosibirsk, Zelenograd, etc.) are sitting on the pope and do nothing like that? ...
        And where did you get that germanium diodes? Right, not an eye, but a diamond (I'm lying with you) ...
        1. +9
          11 July 2015 20: 47
          Quote: PENZYAC
          And where did you get that germanium diodes? Right, not an eye, but a diamond (I'm lying with you) ..

          Go about your health if you like, but any ham radio player will recognize the D-9 diode, in this case, the D-9G. smile And if you do not believe it, please look into the table!
          1. 0
            12 July 2015 06: 00
            You, I think, will be surprised, but in the power supply of the Meadowsweet, and foreign cars - all the same transformer and diode bridge ... Well, no progress ....
            Why change D9G to nano if it also performs its functions? If no improvement comes from a replacement? just to save 1,5 cm of space?
            1. +2
              12 July 2015 07: 18
              Quote: Russian063
              You, I think, will be surprised, but in the power supply unit of the Meadowsweet, and foreign cars - all the same transformer and diode bridge ..

              Of course I am surprised - there are everywhere switching power supplies! smile
              1. +1
                12 July 2015 10: 12
                Quote: Bayonet
                Quote: Russian063
                You, I think, will be surprised, but in the power supply unit of the Meadowsweet, and foreign cars - all the same transformer and diode bridge ..

                Of course I am surprised - there are everywhere switching power supplies! smile

                You will also be surprised, but there are also transformers in switching power supplies. Often not even one, but two. Only small ones. Do not believe me - open the computer BP and look. Or from a mobile phone charger.
                1. 0
                  12 July 2015 14: 01
                  Quote: Eragon
                  You will be surprised too

                  You, I think, will be surprised, but I have been connected with electronics for 40 years! Your knowledge in this matter is simply admirable! smile
                  1. 0
                    12 July 2015 15: 25
                    Quote: Bayonet
                    You, I think, will be surprised, but I’ve been connected with electronics for 40 years! Your knowledge in this matter is simply admirable! smile

                    Really surprised belay I have been in electronics for only 30 years, but I can immediately see how the D9 differs from those in the photo. And, as an electronics engineer with much more experience than me, please explain what D9 can do there? Even if we assume that these are just diodes (which I strongly doubt), then why did they not install KD102 or something from the KD521 company. Just do not talk about the overstocking of warehouses with germanium diodes. And at the same time, how do pulsed power supplies work in your opinion and why do they have no transformers, in your opinion? (The option "because there is no need to lower the input voltage" does not work)
                    1. 0
                      12 July 2015 17: 44
                      Quote: Eragon
                      pulse PSUs and why there are no transformers in them, in your opinion?

                      And did I say that there is no transformer in the impulses ??? There is but not the same as in a linear power supply. It is made on a ferrite core and operates at a high frequency, hence the small size. Actually, what's the point of talking about this? And why there are such diodes, you need to ask the developers. By the way, you should know that silicon diodes do not go everywhere. smile
            2. 0
              12 July 2015 08: 28
              Quote: Russian063
              just to save 1,5 cm of space?

              And why save it - well, there will be a laptop the size of a chest of drawers, so what? You can also attach wheels ...laughing
              1. +1
                12 July 2015 13: 58
                Quote: Bayonet
                You can also attach wheels ...

                Here is the one who set the minus, certainly with cast iron wheels! laughing
          2. +1
            12 July 2015 11: 20
            Quote: Bayonet
            diode D-9

            Hi-hi, as well as d7, d242 :-)
            1. +1
              12 July 2015 13: 54
              Quote: rosarioagro
              Hi-hi, as well as d7, d242 :-)

              Hello! And many other interesting gizmos:
        2. -2
          11 July 2015 23: 39
          Quote: PENZYAC
          There is our scheme and "firmware", and this is the main thing.


          Well, yes, the "main" firmware is white threads, and the rest is mother, percent, vidyuha is nonsense, these are your considerations, nonsense ...
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      6. 0
        12 July 2015 05: 44
        Well. I thought so. Now massively need to produce these modules. Then and licensed Windows will not need to buy.)) A little upset. But, nevertheless, I hope that this is only the first step. We will have our own computer. Otherwise, why the hell do we graduate so many humanities from universities every year?
      7. 0
        12 July 2015 10: 04
        Quote: War and Peace
        this is a "trusted boot" module with germanium diodes

        This is anything, but not germanium diodes. Firstly, they simply won’t work there - the wrong currents, voltages, and the dispersion of the parameters they have is wow - not for microcircuits. And secondly - pick up the D2, or D9, magnifier and compare. If you find in the diodes inside the second flask - be sure to unsubscribe smile
        Quote: Bayonet
        but any radio amateur recognizes the d-9 diode

        Will not know. D9 is marked with color from one end.
        1. 0
          12 July 2015 14: 14
          [quote = Eragon] This is anything but not germanium diodes. Firstly, they simply won’t work there - the wrong currents, voltages, and [/ quote]

          http://scask.ru/book_oet.php?id=196[quote=Eragon]

          fig. 17.6 germanium point valve connoisseur ...
        2. 0
          12 July 2015 14: 48
          Quote: Eragon
          Will not know. D9 is marked with color from one end.

          We'll have to repeat - D9 Diode: D9B, D9V, D9G, D9D, D9E, D9ZH, D9I, D9K, D9L, D9M - germanium, point. It has a glass case and flexible leads. Colored dots or rings are applied on the case of the D9 diode as marking.

          D9B - red
          D9V - Orange
          D9G - yellow
          D9D - White
          D9E - blue
          D9ZH - green
          D9I - two yellow
          D9K - two white
          D9L - two green
          D9M - two blue
    5. +10
      11 July 2015 15: 51
      More precisely, there was no need to "turn away" from the "machine" ....
    6. +3
      11 July 2015 15: 53
      A bit late of course ... well, where to go
      1. +3
        11 July 2015 16: 25
        Interestingly, and who is the moderator on this thread? What was the second comment removed for? There was nothing SCARY and overly seditious in him. request
        1. +1
          11 July 2015 18: 22
          The comment has been deleted together. Together with the author.
          1. +1
            11 July 2015 18: 33
            Hi Roma!
            Quote: Banshee
            The comment has been deleted together. Together with the author.
            I hope not for this koment? wink
    7. +23
      11 July 2015 16: 38
      Quote: starshina pv
      "Russia is turning to the machine" - this should have been done the day before yesterday !!!!

      I thought (someone about what, and lousy about the bath) that we will talk about the revival of our machine tool industry. What are we going to do what the article is about? Brain computers, cars, monitors, etc. - it's all great. Will we produce machines and industrial equipment ourselves or purchase from generous Europeans? Or in China (2 days work - 3 under the machine)? And who will work on these machines? Are there managers in line with the machines? Yes, not in the heat!
      Sorry, got excited.
      Judging by the title - the article is not the topic. Again, modernization, investment, Western technology, as well as innovation, generation and leaking, and leaking. . .
      All! I'm going to drink vodka. If I misunderstood, I apologize.
      1. +1
        11 July 2015 17: 10
        If in truth in Tavolga our only block is a trusted boot, then this seems to be the final death of domestic electronics. Only Elbrus seems to me completely ours. And they still talk a lot about Baikal, but it is only a copy of the British processor.
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    9. sent-onere
      +5
      11 July 2015 17: 53
      First you need to make this machine, and only then turn to it.
      while domestic machine tool industry does not exist as an industry.
      1. +5
        11 July 2015 20: 36
        Quote: sent-onere
        First you need to make this machine, and only then turn to it.
        while domestic machine tool industry does not exist as an industry.

        But before "effective managers" there was a powerful industry and machine tools, there were fashionable criticized, but cheap mass and unique piece ...
        Now, thanks to "effective managers" the former mass ones have become piece, but at the piece price so beloved by these managers. Do less, grab more - that's the whole "efficiency" of these "managers".
        Ugh! Even the word "manager" is not one's own, foreign (and the thoughts are the same - borrowed). But there is a normal, Russian word - manager ...
        1. +1
          11 July 2015 22: 24
          Borrow from Zadornov-KOEKAKER!
    10. sent-onere
      +3
      11 July 2015 18: 08
      Some state. the office will be allowed to buy only a domestic certified hardware and software system and it will not go anywhere. For example, in China, all state. offices are forcibly transplanted to their Chinese computers on Chinese processors, although they are more expensive.
    11. sent-onere
      +1
      11 July 2015 18: 10
      By the way, the price of Lada Vesta was originally about 400 thousand rubles, but due to the devaluation of the ruble, the cost of some foreign components has become higher, because the price may be about 500 thousand rubles, the start of sales is scheduled for November this year.
    12. sent-onere
      +16
      11 July 2015 18: 14
      This is certainly very good. The post is really very inspiring and encouraging. I personally have only one question: And who will stand by the machines that Russia is turning to? I'm not talking about today, today there are 40-50-year-old personnel who have grown up in a "scoop" and are ready to stand at these machines. I'm talking about tomorrow. For example, I have a fifteen-year-old son. He accordingly has an entourage of his age (friends, classmates, acquaintances), whom I "monitor" out of curiosity, so to speak. Well, out of about 50 people whom I interviewed, NOT ONE went or is not going to go to the locksmiths, turners, at worst, electricians. About half of them dream of a rig (basically, as before, for some reason, they are attracted by legal and economic faculties), the rest, who are simpler, have moved to cooks, designers, managers and other crap. These are normal, healthy guys, not disabled, not flawed. I'm from St. Petersburg. Maybe someone has other "statistics"? Maybe in other cities things are brighter?
      1. +9
        11 July 2015 18: 24
        Quote: sent-onere
        Remember our juices, which no one ever baked, in which there was not a single gram of any preservative, which were only pasteurized and that was all in the glass.


        Why remember them? Davydovka both drove and drives. Apple, grape, pumpkin, carrot. All the same in the three-liter banks. Still delicious.
      2. +5
        11 July 2015 18: 47
        Village, Belgorod region. Same...
      3. +10
        11 July 2015 19: 17
        Quote: sent-onere
        About half of them dream of a rig (basically, as before, for some reason, they are attracted by legal and economic faculties), the rest, who are simpler, have moved to cooks, designers, managers and other crap. These are normal, healthy guys, not disabled, not flawed. I'm from St. Petersburg. Maybe someone has other "statistics"? Maybe in other cities things are brighter?

        Nope. I’m from Orel, the Soviet school universal-turner, I studied under the grandfathers, who worked as teenagers in the war on machines, drove me like hell, they had a school - in! good In 15 years I have had 3 students, one of them (in 2004 he was 26 years old) was already a turner of the 4th grade, I taught him at the request of my friend's uncle (the head of the repair shop) to work on a hobbing and gear shaping, he grabbed on the fly. The other is my korefan, welder and turner again. I trained him for high-speed processing, including hardened steels and hard alloys (there was a need). And he has me for welding, he has all the approvals (pressure vessels, pipelines, etc.). There were no problems with him either. In general, this is not an apprenticeship, but an advanced training. And the third - a 19-year-old kid, kept whining: - "I want to become a turner!" After 2 months he ran away to Euroset as a manager. From such crap, little kids!
      4. +2
        11 July 2015 20: 54
        Quote: sent-onere
        This is certainly very good. The post is really very inspiring and encouraging. I personally have only one question: And who will stand by the machines that Russia is turning to? I'm not talking about today, today there are 40-50-year-old personnel who have grown up in a "scoop" and are ready to stand at these machines. I'm talking about tomorrow. For example, I have a fifteen-year-old son. He accordingly has an entourage of his age (friends, classmates, acquaintances), whom I "monitor" out of curiosity, so to speak. Well, out of about 50 people whom I interviewed, NOT ONE went or is not going to go to the locksmiths, turners, at worst, electricians. About half of them dream of a rig (basically, as before, for some reason, they are attracted by legal and economic faculties), the rest, who are simpler, have moved to cooks, designers, managers and other crap. These are normal, healthy guys, not disabled, not flawed. I'm from St. Petersburg. Maybe someone has other "statistics"? Maybe in other cities things are brighter?

        Yes, you can't attract young people with the "old-regime" Soviet lathe with its slide and both grandmas, manual labor is no longer very attractive even for a relatively poor salary. And is it needed in large quantities? Now is not the middle of the twentieth century, technologies have changed: CNC, robots, automated lines, 3D-printers ... Young people will go to such "machines", subject to a decent salary, of course, I have no doubt!
        1. +6
          11 July 2015 21: 59
          Quote: PENZYAC
          Yes, you can't attract young people with the "old-regime" Soviet lathe with its slide and both grandmas, manual labor is no longer very attractive even for a relatively poor salary. And is it needed in large quantities? Now is not the middle of the twentieth century, technologies have changed: CNC, robots, automated lines, 3D-printers ... Young people will go to such "machines", subject to a decent salary, of course, I have no doubt!

          Let a little disagree with you. CNC machines are good in serial, large-scale and mass production, as well as in pilot enterprises, where the technological process is debugged to introduce anything into the series. They are more expensive both in price and in maintenance. CNC machine tool operator. The processing process is developed and controlled by technologists, the tool prepares the sharpener, and a special person changes (there is a shop for cutters, milling cutters, etc.) according to the route map of the site, you need a programmer, a debugger-debugger, etc., in general, it's not so simple it is to serve. From the outside, everything looks very beautiful and attractive.
          Watch the video, it’s very beautiful, working with pieces of iron has its own charm, it’s akin to art:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yr-PNzDS3CA

          But in repair services, in workshops and at enterprises engaged in the repair or manufacture of small series and single copies of any product, of which there are a lot, one cannot do without ordinary "old-mode" machines. This is where machine operators are needed, preferably subcontractors, as they sometimes say: a wide profile, which is your humble servant. hi
          1. +2
            11 July 2015 22: 33
            There are no machine tools, so there is no one to turn to the machine, and the vocational education system is destroyed, there are no new machines, and the old ones are sent to Turkey for re-melting.
        2. +2
          11 July 2015 22: 30
          And all kinds of repair shops, and departments of a mechanic or engineer, etc. in factories, and repair departments in factories. You are probably not in the subject. "Old-regime" machines are very much in demand. You can't buy CNC on a collective farm.
      5. +1
        11 July 2015 22: 27
        See vacancies on Job.ru-machine tools from 50 thousand. For Moscow and St. Petersburg, not ice. For the middle band, it's cool.
        1. +4
          12 July 2015 06: 14
          This is just a lure. They promise - they can .. in fact 20-30 maximum.
      6. +2
        12 July 2015 10: 37
        Quote: sent-onere
        About half of them dream of a tower (basically, as before, for some reason, legal and economic faculty beckon them), the rest, who are simpler, went to cooks, designers, managers and other crap. These are normal, healthy guys, not disabled, not flawed

        To clarify a little - they are not the ones who dream of a watchtower, but their parents! After all, it seems to them that even their idiot, who can hardly pull on three marks, is worthy of higher education. To confirm - one mother, one raising her son, says directly - he should only enter Moscow State University. There are only three grades in the certificate. But she does not agree to less. It is useless to argue. Not digging in fuel oil - they used to say - do not twist the tails of oxen. such a majority. Earlier, under the "bad" Soviet regime, the worker received more engineer. Stimulus, however. They put as an example that there are over 400 people at the ZIL plant. with an engineering education, worked on machine tools. And now, without education, they do not want to work on a machine tool ... they pay little. So strive, learn. No - a lot and at once, only to the office, or as a merchandiser. SOUNDS! .. The Japanese keep track of all the machines they produce - where, what and how ... And then we are surprised that missiles are falling, or 5 accidents with our combat aircraft for a month ... There is nothing to be surprised. The West not only monitors all negotiations, the work of its equipment, but it is possible, that interferes in their work on our territory, in our production ... And while the LADIES and others like him will brag about other people's achievements - do not expect good,
        Do not wait for free will -
        Vaughn fell asleep: Tsar Mikola
        Авї crouching A shchob get it
        Hirennu will, demanding peace,
        Butt a bunch of steel,
        She’s kind enough to wiggle sokira,
        That th wake up at once. (T. Shevchenko)
        WRITTEN LONG AGAIN, OTHERWISE. BUT ABOUT US ...
    13. 0
      11 July 2015 19: 41
      Better shame than never.
    14. +2
      11 July 2015 20: 13
      The day before yesterday there were no sanctions and therefore we were slowly kept on a leash. If sanctions stood still for a year and lasted a year, we would build our technological world.
    15. +1
      11 July 2015 20: 14
      Russia turns to the machine


      If only for print ...
      1. +2
        11 July 2015 21: 09
        Andrey, you will excuse me, but this is a little bit wrong. To print you need to unfold and very much even. It was written about this many times on the site - there were articles in the comments. In order to implement all our wishes and need to "turn on" the printing press within reasonable limits - we are talking about true refinancing by the Central Bank of those banks that invest in PRODUCTION, and do not finance services and trade. That is, it is necessary to reform the Central Bank itself or change the law to allow the Central Bank to issue (that is, turn on the machine) depending on the needs of industry or infrastructure, and not only on the amount of dollars received from the sale of oil to the treasury. Well, control is needed in order not to heat up inflation.
        As for the staff, we have the same UMMC that has a vocational school and, I think, there are a lot of them, only we know little about it. But on the whole, there really is a problem with the staff - it is necessary to raise the prestige of working professions.
        1. 0
          12 July 2015 06: 17
          The prestige of the working profession will grow incredibly if the salary of a turning and milling machine operator is comparable to the average salary of a manager. Well, or at least not much lower.
        2. +2
          12 July 2015 08: 33
          Sergey, you yourself answer your question. Now you can not turn on the printing press. Remember how funds were allocated in 2008 to support the banking system and industry? Where did billions go for AvtoVAZ? Banks stupidly scored currencies. And now everything will be repeated. The ruble will tumble down again. Banks are not interested in long loans, they need quick returns at a high interest rate. In general, I think that a 100% state-owned bank should be created and all financing of state programs, and even more so weapons production programs, should be conducted through such a bank. Currently, only the Agricultural Bank is XNUMX% state owned, the rest are all with a share. Where there are shares, there is always the temptation to flow cash flows, which we observe. If you invest money in long projects, such as the construction of industrial enterprises or roads, then this will not result in inflation, but if there are short projects, then the money will come out into the sphere of consumption and their export will begin. Yes, this is happening now. In long projects, there are also many questions. Left-wing contractors and suppliers will reappear ... What to do with this? We have no normal responsibility in this area. They put a man behind a felled tree and amnesty the stolen billions ...

          There are already working professions with a decent salary. I have a friend welder working at a defense enterprise, a young guy, a salary of more than 70 thousand. Keep in mind that this is not Moscow. A good turner also needs to be sought. At our place, young people think that they have come and will immediately roll away a lot of money for their zero knowledge and skills, but they do not want to continue studying.
          1. 0
            12 July 2015 11: 15
            Good morning, you can. And right now. You can’t imagine what kind of power the Central Bank has. And what kind of zvizdyule can write to any bank - at least the Security Council at least RSHB. Figuratively speaking, there is power, there would be a will. Well, I hope you understand me. For the Central Bank to control the movement of this money - know problems. The system is created and debugged. And there is also financial monitoring, the services of which the FSB also uses other things. Tax officers can also track any movement of money by clicking, they do not even need to submit requests to banks. We live in a world of electronic money. So that...
            Although it seems like a move towards independence, well, or Central Bank reforms are already being seen slowly, and maybe not slowly. This seems to apply to state secrets too.
            As for the left-wing contractors - firstly, with 010115 a lot of things have changed in terms of tax collection, that is, the leftist began to leave. Secondly, under certain conditions it is possible to conduct not a stupid auction, where just left-wingers stupidly drop the price due to tax payments, but organize a normal TRANSPARENT competition with strict selection criteria, wherever anyone gets. And it works.

            As for the sn workers, I also wrote in the comments, I know where skilled workers pay both for 100 and for 100 tyr. And this is not even Ekat, but also a defense industry.
    16. +3
      11 July 2015 20: 37
      It was necessary to write this, right? Yes, even with such emotion. Everyone already knows everything, and in general we can say that Russia did not have to turn away from the machine. So what? Good news, well done.
    17. +3
      11 July 2015 20: 50
      In general, it was impossible to turn away from the machine ... how many were destroyed ...
    18. +2
      11 July 2015 22: 12
      Quote: starshina pv
      "Russia is turning to the machine" - this should have been done the day before yesterday !!!!

      The USSR did this at the beginning of the 30's, but in the 90's for some reason it was decided that only drilling rigs were enough for us ... request
    19. +2
      12 July 2015 05: 17
      it remains to return qualified personnel to the machine. Those same "Uncle Sing" and "Uncle Wan" who knew how to work on these machines, who knew how, even in the case of inaccuracy in the drawings, to do what the designers needed. There were only crumbs of generalists. Basically everyone is retired or close to her.
      I also wanted to go over the managers, but oh well .. sunny morning .. the birds are singing ... I will not spoil my karma wink
    20. 0
      12 July 2015 11: 21
      It’s good that we have already started, otherwise these managers in the shopping centers are tired! A country has a future only when it produces products, and not just resells someone else's! Thank God!
    21. +1
      12 July 2015 13: 11
      So far, this is not very noticeable! Yes, the competition for institutes for industrial faculties has grown, but something is not visible in the influx of young engineers at enterprises. Engineers are one thing, highly skilled workers are another, and there is nowhere to train them! Vocational schools are either closed or re-profiled to graduate anyone, but not to graduate blue-collar jobs. Yes, it is the employers' fault. They are reluctant to take just - that baked workers. Put this on the machine, and it will be one marriage at the beginning to drive. While studying at vocational schools (some still twitch a little) there is no practice at enterprises, as before. The years of operation of enterprises at a time when the state was not particularly interested in how enterprises work, because practically all of them were privatized and there is no state participation in them, they taught the factories to work in a new way. Reduce production to a minimum, switch to external cooperation with other enterprises, and thus cut jobs. It even comes to the demolition of workshops in order not to pay taxes on buildings and equipment located in it. We need a government order. Then the enterprises will expand production, new jobs will appear. In the current conditions, enterprises survive on their own, look for work, even agree to something that they have not done before because of the orientation towards other products, on which, as they say, "they ate their teeth." everyone criticized the State Planning Commission, but it is needed! But only not in the form when, as in "Mimino", "KrAZ" in the Arctic version is distributed to Armenia, but to Tyumen in the south.
  2. +2
    11 July 2015 14: 59
    We have new analogues for the new DMG machines, but this is a question for the size of the customer’s wallet.
    1. 0
      11 July 2015 20: 58
      Quote: Vadim237
      We have new analogues for the new DMG machines, but this is a question for the size of the customer’s wallet.

      This is a question of the political will of our leaders (then money can be found and everything else).
  3. +12
    11 July 2015 15: 00
    Let it be, as in the days of the USSR, our microcircuits are the largest in the world, but these will be our microcircuits.
    1. +10
      11 July 2015 15: 02
      We have created a new Baikal processor with 28 nanometer technology.
    2. +9
      11 July 2015 15: 05
      If you drive a broom out of a nano red Chubais, everything will not be so monumental! stop
      1. +7
        11 July 2015 15: 24
        Quote: Major Yurik
        If you drive a broom out of a nano red Chubais, everything will not be so monumental!

        Well, why, Chubais is watching that no one steal more from Rusnano. smile Recent events surrounding the arrest of his deputies, just this confirms. smile
        But seriously, everything goes to the point that "no matter how long the rope twists, but the end will be":
        “Meanwhile, analysts note that the traces of the investigation may lead to the head of Rusnano Anatoly Chubais - as sources of the Forbes magazine note, the state official knew about the possibility of the imminent arrest of Melamed, Ponurov and Malyshev. Another candidate for“ undermining ”by the RF IC could be Minister of the Open Government Mikhail Abyzov - although those close to the official note that at the moment there is no connection between the cases of Rusnano and Abyzov .. "
  4. +8
    11 July 2015 15: 00
    It’s nice to realize that we remembered about the domestic manufacturer. Working for your economy is becoming an honor.
    1. +13
      11 July 2015 17: 04
      Do you know how entrepreneurs say? God forbid, the state will remember us and begin to care and love! we will die in preliminary caresses!
  5. +42
    11 July 2015 15: 05
    It would be nice not only to turn to the machine, but also to education in the country ... Destruction of the country's engineering corps means complete loss of technical sovereignty. And the process of this destruction has been underway for several years !!! Urgent return to engineering educationotherwise there will be no machine tools, tanks, cars, etc. in the country !!! It won’t be at all ...
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    2. +11
      11 July 2015 15: 23
      The culture was reduced by 88 lard rubles. Every year, up to 1000 libraries are closed in Russia. But stupid Obama allocated 6,5 lard bucks for storage and maintenance of the book fund. How shoud I understand this? Education and science are generally useless. Everything is blocked there by untouchable agents of influence, such as Chubais, Livanov and Fursenko.
      1. +2
        11 July 2015 16: 40
        Our libraries go to electronic format.
      2. +6
        11 July 2015 17: 33
        Quote: siberalt
        Every year, up to 1000 libraries are closed in Russia.

        Yeah, it’s already taking horror -
        Number of libraries of the Ministry of Culture of Russia - Russian Federation 2013 - 39 288 2014 - 39 683
        1. +3
          11 July 2015 21: 00
          Quote: lelikas
          Number of libraries of the Ministry of Culture of Russia - Russian Federation 2013 - 39 288 2014 - 39 683

          Speaking of numbers, there is an interesting resource "Online counter of the population of the Earth and countries"
          http://countrymeters.info/ru/
          Look there not only the number of population, but also population growth. Russia, to put it mildly, was not impressed, but if you compare how many children are in Russian families and representatives of other nationalities of our country, then frankly the situation is not encouraging ...
      3. +7
        11 July 2015 17: 53
        Quote: siberalt
        Everything is blocked there by untouchable agents of influence, such as Chubais, Livanov and Fursenko.

        Chur, I'm the first to knock out stools!
        1. Alf
          +2
          11 July 2015 21: 37
          Quote: villain
          Chur, I'm the first to knock out stools!

          Late, I borrowed from the evening!
          1. 0
            11 July 2015 22: 15
            Quote: Alf
            Chur, I'm the first to knock out stools!
            Late, I borrowed from the evening!

            We will pull the matches.
            ps: not because I'm so bloodthirsty, just SO NECESSARY! smile
      4. +3
        11 July 2015 21: 15
        Quote: siberalt
        The culture was reduced by 88 lard rubles. Every year, up to 1000 libraries are closed in Russia. But stupid Obama allocated 6,5 lard bucks for storage and maintenance of the book fund. How shoud I understand this? Education and science are generally useless. Everything is blocked there by untouchable agents of influence, such as Chubais, Livanov and Fursenko.

        What culture? What are you talking about? There is not enough "elite" for new yachts and "Gelendvagens", "there is nothing to pamper mistresses", this is much more important, sanctions again ... How can you compare the needs of some kind of people and "elite"? This is "E-L-I-T-A", it is supposed to be cherished and cherished, it should be - our everything ...
        This "elite" would be sent to ... (not qualified), or to ... (also not qualified)! ...
        1. 0
          12 July 2015 06: 23
          And what prevents you from sending? For example, I regularly do this ...) I get up right in the morning .. and with a cup of coffee I go out onto the balcony. And having typed into the wide working chest of fresh Russian air loudly like this: ELITE, go to ... (not qualification) and on ... (not qualification), and also .... take it with you.! we still have a free country .. do not be afraid .. you will like it ..)))
        2. +2
          12 July 2015 07: 15
          Quote: PENZYAC
          How can you compare the needs of some kind of people and "elite"? This is "E-L-I-T-A",

          And who is this "elite" - "We all left the people,
          Children of a working family. "Read biographies. Here the dog is buried deeper ...
  6. 0
    11 July 2015 15: 08
    OFF: I suggest that those from the members of the forum who do not think that "Putin has leaked everything," etc., should pay attention to the author of this article.

    Crimson alter. http://crimsonalter.livejournal.com

    KVM, it is sometimes worth reading.

    PS: Not advertising, I read it myself laughing
  7. +11
    11 July 2015 15: 10
    "We are learning to be proud of the past, to work effectively and look to the future with hope. Russia is turning to the machine, and it will definitely succeed."

    It was necessary to destroy everything in order to learn again ???! I remember there was a time when the Japanese were very fond of the Soviet magazines "Young Technician" and "Tekhnika Molodyozhi"; there were many interesting ideas there.
    1. +2
      11 July 2015 21: 07
      Quote: B.T.W.
      "Young Technician" and "Technology of Youth",

      And "Science and Life"!
      1. +1
        12 July 2015 06: 25
        And "applied mechanics"
  8. +10
    11 July 2015 15: 11
    While there were no sanctions, they managed to buy several modern factories for the production of microelectronics. They now work in three shifts. One, by the way, belongs to AFK systems. And what to produce on them does not depend on the "partners".
  9. +4
    11 July 2015 15: 11
    I see that so far only to the military machine.
    1. +7
      11 July 2015 15: 20
      Restless in the world, and therefore, military machines, in the first place. The country needs to become self-sufficient, any production on its territory with its personnel, with its equipment. The territory is huge, there is plenty of space for any production.
      1. 0
        12 July 2015 06: 26
        and you can save a bit on staff salaries. One fix from the submarine nowhere to go ....
    2. +1
      11 July 2015 17: 24
      Quote: Million
      I see that so far only to the military machine.


      Machine tools need as much as possible! Including the military ...
  10. +11
    11 July 2015 15: 23
    Good review, thanks for the article. Still to robots added a salary.
  11. +18
    11 July 2015 15: 28
    CNC machines have already gone into series, this is a huge plus. By the way, this is a KAMAZ tractor.
    1. +11
      11 July 2015 16: 38
      CNC machines back in the USSR went into series.
      1. +6
        11 July 2015 17: 26
        Quote: Vadim237
        CNC machines back in the USSR went into series.



        Back in the early 80s. I confirm!
        1. +14
          11 July 2015 18: 14
          Quote: Vadim237
          CNC machines back in the USSR went into series

          There was such a "sin".
          Quote: sherp2015
          Back in the early 80s. I confirm!

          With your permission I will amend (I am a turner and not only)
          The first Soviet industrial CNC machines were a 1K62PU screw-cutting lathe and a 1541P turning-rotary machine. These machines were created in the first half of the 1960s. The machines worked in conjunction with control systems such as PRS-3K. Then, vertical milling machines with 6N13 CNC with the “Contour-ZP” control system were developed. In the future, for lathes, the most widely used CNC systems were Soviet-made 2P22 and Electronics NTs-31.
          My regards. hi
          1. +3
            11 July 2015 21: 02
            Well, then my father also retrained for pipe-cutting, and he quickly mastered it! Then, at the age of 14, I also quickly sucked in))) In short, if not a hand-clawed man, or at least an order with his head, and as I have seen in practice with this technique, they can do things even with bad habits, they won’t catch us))))
        2. Alf
          +3
          11 July 2015 21: 41
          Quote: sherp2015
          Back in the early 80s. I confirm!

          I confirm that I myself work with NTs-82 on the 31nd year of publication. The system is reliable as a nail, in a workshop of 40 degrees, WORKS without failures!
          1. 0
            12 July 2015 06: 29
            And why is the temperature in your workshop so uncomfortable for work? did not try to find out? maybe you should do something? then the workers will be more pleasant and the equipment will work with a margin of reliability.
            1. Alf
              +1
              12 July 2015 21: 01
              Quote: Russian063
              And why is the temperature in your workshop so uncomfortable for work? did not try to find out? maybe you should do something? then the workers will be more pleasant and the equipment will work with a margin of reliability.

              Figured out the answer-a simple-HR department over there.
      2. +2
        11 July 2015 20: 56
        Quote: Vadim237
        CNC machines back in the USSR went into series.

        Yeah, they)))
        1. -3
          11 July 2015 23: 53
          Our machines do not compare with DMG machines.
          1. 0
            12 July 2015 11: 47
            But I ordered such a machine a week ago.
    2. +1
      11 July 2015 17: 00
      and voiced the price of it?
      1. -2
        11 July 2015 21: 27
        Quote: 6 inches
        and voiced the price of it?

        Are you not interested in the price of the tank?
        Price is not always the main thing! ...
        1. +2
          11 July 2015 21: 35
          But the price of the tractor is very interesting. Especially to the one who will use it.
        2. 0
          12 July 2015 06: 34
          The price is important, although of course it is not a decisive condition .. But only with similar technical characteristics and capabilities.
      2. 0
        12 July 2015 06: 30
        They told you - IN NO COMPARISON wink
    3. 0
      11 July 2015 21: 03
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      CNC machines have already gone into series, this is a huge plus. By the way, this is a KAMAZ tractor.

      This is actually McCormick. On camera, it is only assembled from imported parts.
      Tractor by the way worthless!
    4. +4
      11 July 2015 21: 11
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      By the way, this is a KAMAZ tractor.

      The KAMAZ SMAH-85 tractor is the oldest British brand Mc Cormick (Mac Cormick), which since 2008 has been assembled in Russia from 100% of imported components. smile
  12. +11
    11 July 2015 15: 31
    The article is good! Here's one nuisance - a machine tool is needed for the machine, preferably with experience and rank. We have a lot of bankers, accountants, lawyers, and there are no turners and milling workers, except for pensioners of the old school. Or very few
    1. 0
      11 July 2015 15: 38
      Computers now rule machines))) Hands are already a turner-milling-grinder, will create a part to strictly specified parameters, human participation is minimal, even office plankton will be pulled or jelly from makkryak)))
      1. +3
        11 July 2015 17: 10
        machine tools are still managed by people and there are not many of them who know how to work, and the young ones don’t want 15 tr for a salary hunchback. And this salary is not in some sort of sharaga, but on the forefront of the corporation TVEL - ROSATOM.
        1. 0
          11 July 2015 17: 49
          But where do the machine workers have such a salary? Everywhere they write more than 25 pieces
          1. +9
            11 July 2015 18: 32
            Quote: Halzan7
            .A young people do not want a salary of 15 tr hunchbacked

            So the profession also needs to be mastered, and this is years. It’s easier to get a guard.
            Quote: oldzek
            But where do the machine workers have such a salary? Everywhere they write more than 25 pieces

            Impudent nonsense, although in some places it happens (they promise, so to speak) and more, but this is a shift of 2-3 months (sometimes a month) on the defense industry. Swam, we know. Even with the provision of free housing, the cost of devouring, etc., in general, bring home. . . I didn’t get there, but the guys said that they could heat up.
            Sometimes they pay for the road, but get it at their own expense. Well, if in Moscow (I live three hundred kilometers) or Kazan. And what if in Vladivostok? The recruiting office is actually fucked up. You are offered: if you want to go, and if you like it, just like it, they have their own. And according to the place of residence: they promise 35 - 40 thousand, but in reality - how much you can pull out of your boss’s pocket, so much of yours, but more than 20 pieces of horseradish for us (this is the ceiling, usually 12-15 thousand). Greedy, damn it, they strive for free then, so that they bring their tools from home. Like this.
            1. +4
              11 July 2015 19: 20
              is it like "their own tools"? Cutters and cutters to bring something? Go your measuring instrument? And if he is not calibrating ??
              1. +8
                11 July 2015 20: 06
                Quote: wanderer
                is it like "their own tools"? Cutters and cutters to bring something? Go your measuring instrument? And if he is not calibrating ??

                You will not believe it, but it is. At the last place of work (repair of hydraulic systems, worked as a turner, milling and welded), not only did he bring his tools, but he also bought for his in front of the chef three-phase drill, 1 µm caliper, Japanese goniometer and diamond honing heads. He promised to pay, but. . . when they had a fight (because of the salary, of course), I took mine with a massacre. He’s a thug man, he promised everything there, well, he still lives by the standards of the 90s. They fought, in short, and I took mine. I also survived the 90s and did not pay anyone, neither the cops nor the bandits. I won’t give it back. Russian small business, however.
              2. Alf
                +3
                11 July 2015 21: 52
                Quote: wanderer
                is it like "their own tools"? Cutters and cutters to bring something? Go your measuring instrument? And if he is not calibrating ??

                Yes, very simple. Usually in the RK all junk lies. When I arrived, I threw out all the incisors with soldering, and brought them in their place with mechanical reinforcement. And he also explained to the technologists that precisely CNC cutters with mechanical reinforcement are economically profitable on CNC machines.
                1. +4
                  11 July 2015 22: 43
                  Quote: Alf
                  And he also explained to the technologists that precisely CNC cutters with mechanical reinforcement are economically profitable on CNC machines.

                  You explained this to the managers, the technologists almost transferred, so they would not argue. laughing
                  Cutters with interchangeable blades are also beneficial on simple machines, they run less and less towards the sharpener, and they are more resistant, there is no need to solder. Well, the size is well kept. hi
          2. Alf
            +3
            11 July 2015 21: 47
            Quote: oldzek
            write more than 25 pieces everywhere

            On the fence, they write a lot of it.
            1. +3
              11 July 2015 22: 45
              Quote: Alf
              On the fence, they write a lot of it.

              I checked - nonsense! Yes
              1. Alf
                +2
                12 July 2015 00: 06
                Quote: villain
                I checked - nonsense!

                What you, my friend, naive. You have lived for so many years in the world, but all believe what is written. Although, even Kozma Prutkov used to say, If in a cage with the inscription Leo you see a mouse, do not believe your eyes. laughing
                1. 0
                  12 July 2015 00: 24
                  Quote: Alf
                  I checked - nonsense!
                  What you, my friend, naive. You have lived for so many years in the world, but all believe what is written

                  I was still young, gullible. Tapericha - u! It is written - well, that means to hell with her. bully
          3. 0
            11 July 2015 21: 49
            Quote: oldzek
            But where do the machine workers have such a salary? Everywhere they write more than 25 pieces

            Wow! You’ll become a direct oligarch! ...
            What is even 25 pieces if you have a family and children? ...
            1. +2
              11 July 2015 23: 29
              I pay my machine operators 60 pieces.
        2. +1
          11 July 2015 21: 47
          Quote: Halzan7
          machine tools are still managed by people and there are not many of them who know how to work, and the young ones don’t want 15 tr for a salary hunchback. And this salary is not in some sort of sharaga, but on the forefront of the corporation TVEL - ROSATOM.

          But the salary is the root issue! Indeed, the "driver's hand" who establish and pay such "salaries" (the main thing is that there is enough impudence to offer such "salaries" to living people) themselves should be paid for such a salary (preferably together with their families) for at least a month, or even at least a week in to force to live for a year, for prevention, so that life does not seem like honey and so that the true value of money is not forgotten (as in the Bible, by the sweat of the brow) ...
      2. Alf
        +2
        11 July 2015 21: 46
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        even office plankton will pull or jelly from makkryaka)))

        Buttons and a monkey to press to teach is not difficult. Before you get to the machine, you must be able to sharpen the cutter, set it correctly, and study the cutting. And put some manager, so he will shut the part and the cutter will break and the machine will explode. And then he declares, the machine is bad, if it were imported ...
        1. 0
          12 July 2015 05: 39
          Quote: Alf
          And put some manager, so he and the part will lock up and the cutter will break

          You can break it down with a fool and pisyun))) I simply said that the training time for this profession was reduced due to the fact that another person was engaged in adjustment.
    2. +2
      11 July 2015 21: 36
      Quote: sw6513
      The article is good! Here's one nuisance - a machine tool is needed for the machine, preferably with experience and rank. We have a lot of bankers, accountants, lawyers, and there are no turners and milling workers, except for pensioners of the old school. Or very few

      Such turners and milling machines are necessary only for pilot production!
      Automated and robotic lines with CNC should be engaged in mass production, and there we do not need turners and milling machines, but operators of these lines with the appropriate education, and not with an eye, sleight of hand and many years of experience (although experience will not hurt here either!) ...
      1. 0
        11 July 2015 23: 02
        Firstly, qualified adjusters. They sharpen the tool. Next, any monkey works by introducing a correction in coordinates.
  13. +4
    11 July 2015 15: 39
    Very good that turns. The main thing is not backwards ... although ... depending on where your hands are growing from winked
    1. +9
      11 July 2015 18: 44
      Quote: den3080
      Very good that turns. The main thing is not backwards ... although ... depending on where your hands are growing from

      This is now normal, even the overalls for such sew. laughing
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  15. +19
    11 July 2015 15: 42
    Lada Vesta I would probably have taken read about it by the end of the year will be released feel Well, all to me Khan from fans of foreign cars crying and yes 500-550 thousand. laughing
    1. +15
      11 July 2015 15: 51
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      Lada Vesta I would probably have taken read about it by the end of the year will be released feel Well, all to me Khan from fans of foreign cars crying and yes 500-550 thousand. laughing

      It looks pretty decent. With a good engine and gearbox, it can firmly outperform competitors.
      1. +1
        11 July 2015 16: 17
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        It looks pretty decent. With a good engine and gearbox, it can firmly outperform competitors.

        Thank you for the compliment, U. Aron Zawi, but, to the Israelis, even if they are ethnic Russians, I do not trust Jews, if they are Russians and love my country, honor and praise. if you understand my idea, then do not be offended for my minus to you.
        1. +17
          11 July 2015 16: 28
          Quote: Panikovsky
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          It looks pretty decent. With a good engine and gearbox, it can firmly outperform competitors.

          Thank you for the compliment, U. Aron Zawi, but, to the Israelis, even if they are ethnic Russians, I do not trust Jews, if they are Russians and love my country, honor and praise. if you understand my idea, then do not be offended for my minus to you.

          Yes, at least three minuses. request I think I go to the forum to talk, and not to collect the pros / cons.
      2. -8
        11 July 2015 17: 26
        Especially if the dviglo and box from Merin will be! Where is the guarantee that the units and components are domestic?
        1. +3
          11 July 2015 21: 15
          Quote: gunter_laux
          Especially if the dviglo and box from Merin will be! Where is the guarantee that the units and components are domestic?

          And where is the confidence that the dviglo and the box from the gelding will be better?
          Modern foreign cars, released somewhere after 2008 ~ 2010 of the year, frank trash!
          Resource and reliability are not absolutely. Previously, many foreign cars freely resorted to a million kilometers. Not anymore. It's funny, but from personal experience, the grant fret surpasses the focus of the reliability of Renault Logan.
      3. +3
        11 July 2015 17: 28
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        It looks pretty decent. With a good engine and gearbox, it can firmly outperform competitors.


        Engines have already learned how to do good. Still to bodies anticorrosive protection ...
      4. Alf
        0
        11 July 2015 21: 54
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        and box

        Is this not the automatic box that AvtoVAZ has been launching for 45 years, but how can it not be launched?
    2. +1
      11 July 2015 16: 03
      I would take a penny if it were still being produced, the Volga 21 or 24, if I would be on a modern chassis. And this one ... I'm not so much a lover of foreign cars, but rather a lover of hemorrhoids, I love to ride, and not to carry a sleigh.
      1. +1
        11 July 2015 21: 17
        Quote: sir_obs
        I love to ride, not to carry a sleigh.

        Strange, say not a lover of hemorrhoids, but want "Volga" request
        1. 0
          11 July 2015 21: 27
          Read carefully, I wrote on a modern chassis.
          1. +2
            12 July 2015 06: 59
            Quote: sir_obs
            Read carefully, I wrote on a modern chassis.

            Cunning however! I would not refuse such a one either.
            Volga found a new life after tuning. Gas 21 received a V12 engine, low landing and expanded the body base, which betrayed the car the features of a modern, high-end car. Great tuning of the car turned out! Russian Volga GAZ-21 BMW M6
      2. Alf
        +3
        11 July 2015 21: 59
        Quote: sir_obs
        I would take the Volga 21

        Beauty! When Ford, Mercedes or Volvo rides, no one is watching, but as the 21st floats, the streets turn around.
        1. +1
          12 July 2015 07: 07
          Quote: Alf
          Beauty! When Ford, Mercedes or Volvo rides, no one is watching, but as the 21st floats, the streets turn around.

          And how "Pobeda" floats, the streets turn around ... GAZ M-20 Pobeda, convertible, 1949 The first Soviet passenger car with a monocoque body and one of the first in the world to be mass-produced with a completely pontoon-type body - without protruding wings and their rudiments, footrests and headlights GAZ M-20 Pobeda, convertible, 1949
          1. Alf
            0
            12 July 2015 21: 06
            Quote: Bayonet
            And how "Pobeda" floats, the streets turn around ... GAZ M-20 Pobeda, convertible, 1949 The first Soviet passenger car with a monocoque body and one of the first in the world to be mass-produced with a completely pontoon-type body - without protruding wings and their rudiments, footrests and headlights GAZ M-20 Pobeda, convertible, 1949

            The other day I saw tuning Victory. Tuning consisted of installing a small air intake-blotches on the hood and wide tires on alloy wheels. And everything was matched in moderation and the car looked- good
    3. +5
      11 July 2015 16: 18
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      and yes, 500-550 thousand. laughing

      They also promised the same price for Kalina and Grant, but it turned out ...
    4. +6
      11 July 2015 16: 40
      Siberia 9444:
      Well, all to me Khan from fans of foreign cars crying

      Well, why are you so, dear! drinks But who really is against his own? It would be high-quality, convenient, beautiful - yes easily! good
      Reference: masochism is not among the innate human qualities. wink
      1. +3
        11 July 2015 17: 26
        Only Lada Vesta is not a bit Russian. It's no secret that AvtoVAZ belongs to the Renault-Nissan concern. Foreigners bought and destroyed it, because nobody needs a competitor. And the remnants of it turned into a screwdriver assembly workshop for obsolete Renault models. There was a direct ban on new developments. And we consider this miserable office the face of the domestic auto industry?
        1. +4
          11 July 2015 17: 49
          Quote: Basarev
          There was a direct ban on new developments. And this pathetic office

          I drive a car of "this miserable office", the thought that now she might fall off never arose :-) it just works
        2. 0
          11 July 2015 21: 28
          Quote: Basarev
          . And the remnants of it turned into a screwdriver assembly workshop for obsolete Renault models. There was a direct ban on new developments. And we consider this miserable office the face of the domestic auto industry?

          2014 was a turning point for AvtoVAZ: Western-style management, access to a new level of quality, promising Lada 4x4 Urban, Lada Kalina Cross and Lada Largus Cross ...

          But all the fun is ahead! The market is preparing to explode the creations of the author of the Volvo S60, the "big-eyed" Mercedes E-Class W210 and the brutal M-Class and GL-Class Steve Mattin - the new flagship Lada Vesta and the Lada X-RAY crossover. And there will also be a restyled Largus and Kalina ...
          And all this is against the backdrop of a depreciation of the ruble, which means a decrease in the cost of production at AvtoVAZ. It seems that the time has come for the national manufacturer to regain the market share lost under the onslaught of foreign cars. But this time - justly deserved. good
        3. 0
          12 July 2015 08: 49
          Quote: Basarev
          And we consider this miserable office the face of the domestic auto industry?

          Frankly speaking, it’s not patriotic to nudge a domestic producer!
          1. 0
            12 July 2015 09: 16
            and patriotic of good metal to do yy?
    5. Fin
      +1
      11 July 2015 19: 04
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      I would probably take Lada West

      Here about her, it seems like a normal basin should turn out http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/61213/
    6. 0
      11 July 2015 19: 33
      Instead of this aggressive soap dish, it would not be sickly to organize a service, in the fields and weights of our "Immense", the injector, if it dies, then only on a tie to the nearest auto shop, and there "by a poke method". And not the fact that you are lucky.
  16. +8
    11 July 2015 15: 47
    I wonder what machines we were the first to break into space? What machines are our tanks made on. rockets. fighters, etc.? DIP-200 probably? Enough to cherish your own and bow to the West. Machines and equipment are acquired. But the Russian spirit in the West could not create a single wave of emigration.
    1. +2
      11 July 2015 17: 50
      Quote: sap
      I wonder what machines we were the first to break into space?

      And on those that received reparations from Germany
  17. +8
    11 July 2015 15: 52
    How good it would be, but:
    2. The Ministry has prepared and pushes through through the government, a directive which, by analogy with the defense industry enterprises, will prohibit state monopolies from buying foreign equipment in the presence of domestic analogues;
    highlighted in red by me. What kind of government do we have, which must be forced to carry out new industrialization?
    ___________________
    The T-Platforms company, a leading Russian developer of supercomputers and server platforms, has introduced a new domestic development - the Tavolga monoblock processor based Intel Core fifth generation Broadwell microarchitecture. It is noted that all the circuitry and mechanical solutions of the Tavolga monoblock, as well as the original external design of the case, were developed by the Russian company T-Platforms, which owns all the working design documentation and intellectual property rights to the system. Starting from the 2016 year, the full production cycle of the system will also be carried out domestically.
    well, not entirely Russian. Where are the products of different levels based on Elbrus?
    These guys need to be given the green light and funding.
    And in general, the green light is our science, research institutes and industry. Already tired of these oil and gas!
  18. +4
    11 July 2015 16: 00
    The Meadowsweet Centurion has an 21,5-inch display with Full HD resolution, up to 32 GB of RAM, a hard disk and an SSD of 1 TB and 512 GB respectively, an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 850M graphics adapter (optional) and a fifth-generation Intel Core processor. Next year, a monoblock configuration based on Russian Baikal-M processors is expected to be released.

    The device also found use of Wi-Fi adapters 802.11b / g / n / ac, Bluetooth 4.0 and Gigabit Ethernet, two stereo speakers with 2,5 watts each, USB ports and a built-in battery that plays the role of a UPS. The computer’s battery life does not exceed 20 minutes. As an operating system, you can choose between ALT Linux, Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.

    The start of deliveries of the "Meadowsweet Centurion" monoblock is scheduled for the third quarter of 2015. The cost of the product is not called.
    1. +3
      11 July 2015 16: 30
      Quote: Kurdalagon
      The Meadowsweet Centurion has an 21,5-inch display with Full HD resolution, up to 32 GB of RAM, a hard disk and an SSD of 1 TB and 512 GB respectively, an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 850M graphics adapter (optional) and a fifth-generation Intel Core processor. Next year, a monoblock configuration based on Russian Baikal-M processors is expected to be released.
      The device also found use of Wi-Fi adapters 802.11b / g / n / ac, Bluetooth 4.0 and Gigabit Ethernet, two stereo speakers with 2,5 watts each, USB ports and a built-in battery that plays the role of a UPS. The computer’s battery life does not exceed 20 minutes. As an operating system, you can choose between ALT Linux, Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.
      The start of deliveries of the "Meadowsweet Centurion" monoblock is scheduled for the third quarter of 2015. The cost of the product is not called.

      I apologize, do you want to hint that Tavolga is assembled entirely from foreign components?
      1. +3
        11 July 2015 17: 29
        Sure, sir! Our in the Meadowsweet, no matter how bitterly admit - only a name.
  19. +6
    11 July 2015 16: 06
    Judging by the photo of DAM, this is another PR. That's when I see all this on the shelves and roads, then we'll see.
    1. +7
      11 July 2015 16: 18
      Quote: Sibiryak13
      Judging by the photo of DAM, this is another PR.

      The photo where DAM near the spacesuit complements this video, that's PR so PR.
      1. +4
        11 July 2015 16: 38
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        Anatole Klim

        I don’t want to watch. Maybe he won’t come back from there.
      2. +2
        11 July 2015 19: 04
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        The photo where DAM near the spacesuit complements this video, that's PR so PR.


        and why this nonsense?
      3. +1
        11 July 2015 21: 34
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        DAM near the suit complements this video, that's PR so PR.

        The viral video imitates a report from the Rossiya-1 TV channel about Dmitry Medvedev’s visit to the ISS. During the flight, the Prime Minister, delivered to space “on a shortened route”, was a full member of the crew and took part in research - he studied the properties of the mineral water “Saryagash”.
        The Kazakhstani "report" turned out so realistic that some users took it at face value. laughing
        1. 0
          12 July 2015 19: 29
          it would be better if he was sent with a clean coin to an expedition to Mars, at least half a decade of normal development. Before the heap, crew members appoint Chubais, Serdyukov, Vasiliev and Co. wink
  20. +2
    11 July 2015 16: 08
    Today, Business FM discussed the further steps of the West against us. In the near future, they say, they will squeeze metallurgy, then they can block the accounts of our enterprises denominated in euros and dollars, then the abolition of the hydrocarbon trade. Well, if you are ready for this and succeed in replacing our oil and gas with something, then we will have nothing more to share with them.
    1. +1
      11 July 2015 16: 49
      Yes, let them now begin to block the accounts of our firms abroad, when suddenly 30% of all bank funds from Western banks disappear with all the consequences - let them enter it worse.
      1. +8
        11 July 2015 17: 33
        Oddly enough, I am a supporter of the further tightening of sanctions. Let them impose an absolute embargo, arrest all accounts and ban all officials from entering forever and ever. Maybe then the faces that rule us will understand that they are in Russia forever? And not like now - just to earn money. Stole - and screwed over the hill. Ends in the water.
        1. +4
          11 July 2015 17: 53
          Quote: Basarev
          Let them impose an absolute embargo, arrest all accounts and ban all officials from entering forever and ever.

          And what an interesting experiment :-)
        2. 0
          11 July 2015 19: 54
          I fully agree with you on the embargo. But, alas, I cannot share your optimism about the ruling faces, conditionally ours. Although ... I thought that Naryshkim was like a decent Russian person. And he was mistaken - this gentleman recently expressed his wish that Russia would continue to recognize the priority of international (read gangster Anglo-Saxon) law over ours, Russian (although this "our" right is understandable according to what patterns, for the most part, tailored). These will be corrected only by excommunication from power and national wealth.
          1. Alf
            +1
            11 July 2015 22: 02
            Quote: NordUral
            These will be corrected only by excommunication from power and national wealth.

            THESE will only fix the bullet in the back of the head.
            1. +1
              11 July 2015 22: 50
              Quote: Alf
              THESE will only fix the bullet in the back of the head.

              Or scented soap and fluffy rope.
              1. Alf
                +1
                12 July 2015 00: 08
                Quote: villain
                Or scented soap and fluffy rope.

                Today I went over the balcony, found our laundry soap with a stamp of the 80th year. Got it, I'm preparing a tool for work. I think the office will give a rope.
    2. +2
      11 July 2015 21: 05
      Quote: Good AAAH
      further abolition of trade in hydrocarbons

      And what's more, the EU will block oxygen for itself. And die from suffocation.

      Rzhunemagu with such forecasts. "Business FM", you say? Maybe "Humor-FM"? what
    3. 0
      11 July 2015 22: 08
      Quote: Good AAAH
      Today, Business FM discussed the further steps of the West against us. In the near future, they say, they will squeeze metallurgy, then they can block the accounts of our enterprises denominated in euros and dollars, then the abolition of the hydrocarbon trade. Well, if you are ready for this and succeed in replacing our oil and gas with something, then we will have nothing more to share with them.

      Nonsense! Do not voice the Wishlist of a mentally disabled person, McCain. Americans are always afraid of an answer: on a trampoline they don’t want to jump into space, and stop production of Boeing, too, I’d better keep silent about oil ...
      The Americans impose only those "sanctions" that do not hit them hard and do not completely kill their "allies" ...
  21. +1
    11 July 2015 16: 16
    in Russia there was always something to surprise. But we need a series and not single products
    1. +1
      11 July 2015 17: 33
      Quote: serg.ru
      in Russia there was always something to surprise. But we need a series and not single products


      Flow! Stream production.
  22. +3
    11 July 2015 16: 29
    Quote: starshina pv
    "Russia is turning to the machine" - this should have been done the day before yesterday !!!!
    It was necessary not to turn away at all!
    1. +2
      11 July 2015 17: 37
      Quote: VoenDok
      It was necessary not to turn away at all!


      Right. Only with the Kremlin, which was swarming with foreign agents of the special services, and the leadership of Boriska, was the whole industry systematically destroyed!
      The bureaucrats and leaders involved have not yet answered for this.
    2. 0
      11 July 2015 19: 56
      I add - do not turn away from socialism, but only reform it. And now you have to come back, but with what difficulty.
      1. Alf
        +1
        11 July 2015 22: 03
        Quote: NordUral
        And now you have to come back,

        But who told you that we will return to him? Someone said, There will be no return to the past.
        1. one
          0
          11 July 2015 22: 11
          Quote: Alf
          Someone said, There will be no return to the past.

          I didn’t say that ...
          request
          1. Alf
            +1
            11 July 2015 22: 31
            Quote: Someone
            I didn’t say that ...

            I did not mean you, but the Wisest Kremlin resident.
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  25. +7
    11 July 2015 16: 45
    Quote: Sacmagon
    it had to be done the day before yesterday !!!!

    Why not done?
    Relaxed, foreman? Accustomed here, behind the officer’s backs ?!

    I, my friend, have 20 years of experience, and two Chechen wars have passed, and I have never hidden behind my backs, especially officers' ones!
  26. +8
    11 July 2015 16: 47
    In 2010, Dad took a "tag" from his hands, a relative took a Ford "focus". Both cars are 2006. Since then, Ford has had a problem: the gearbox, it's automatic, you can't fix it right away in our outback, but it somehow fixed it, the fuel pump, the hell knows that quite recently. And the batin "tag" all this time was eating only gasoline and oil, dangling no less ...
  27. +3
    11 July 2015 16: 48
    Quote: starshina pv
    "Russia is turning to the machine" - this should have been done the day before yesterday !!!!

    It was necessary to turn away from him n6e!
  28. +3
    11 July 2015 16: 49
    And I remember the Kramatorsk machine-building named after Lenin and the Kramatorsk machine-tool-building heavy engineering. NKMZ, KZTS. 50 thousand people worked .. and in 15 countries shipped products. It’s a pity that Russia has lost them. sad like Ukraine. That’s what I can’t forgive Strelkov for - to surrender Slavyansk-Kramatorsk. Well then, he could not do otherwise.
  29. +3
    11 July 2015 16: 53
    How beautifully it is written: "to prohibit the purchase of foreign equipment in the presence of domestic analogs", but all government agencies are rolling out on Mercedes, BMW and Audi. Let them buy Kalina! Or at least a Russian-made car. hi
    1. 0
      11 July 2015 17: 58
      I agree with each letter! I couldn’t have better invented (s)
      1. +1
        11 July 2015 18: 31
        Almost all government agencies in our region ride Kamryakh and Focuses, because it seems like a Russian assembly.
        1. 0
          11 July 2015 19: 58
          Screwdriver ..............................
    2. 0
      11 July 2015 18: 43
      Some already wanted to transfer all the bureaucrats on the Volga. SO WHAT ? What did you finish?
      1. one
        +1
        11 July 2015 21: 36
        Quote: Barracuda
        Some already wanted to transfer all the bureaucrats on the Volga. SO WHAT ? What did you finish?

        Nemtsov was called ...
        that ... nobody wanted to.
        it is so ... to raise stocks in price, for a scam ...
        bully
    3. 0
      11 July 2015 19: 58
      It is for us to ban our production, but not to our beloved.
    4. Alf
      0
      11 July 2015 22: 05
      Quote: fa2998
      How beautifully it is written: "prohibit the purchase of foreign equipment in the presence of domestic analogs" - and all government agencies are rolling out on Mercedes, BMW and Audi.

      So that means buying abroad. But the Merseys, Bimmers are going to gather with us, which means that if you follow the letter of the law, they will not be banned.
    5. 0
      11 July 2015 22: 17
      Quote: fa2998
      How beautifully it is written: "to prohibit the purchase of foreign equipment in the presence of domestic analogs", but all government agencies are rolling out on Mercedes, BMW and Audi. Let them buy Kalina! Or at least a Russian-made car. hi

      I'm afraid they will try to ensure that there are no domestic analogues ...
  30. +3
    11 July 2015 17: 06
    Dear ones. Everything here is a lot and correctly said. Own. Issue. Do .... all right. But one small but ... did anyone really come across production accounting? Are you aware that this is about 3 times more in volume and problems than trade? this is the manufacturer’s first brake on you. And no one is going to change it.
    1. +2
      11 July 2015 20: 28
      and also for production you need affordable "long money", here is the second brake.
  31. +4
    11 July 2015 17: 16
    Quote: Izotovp
    Good review, thanks for the article. Still to robots added a salary.

    Haha, as long as people like Chubais are sitting in Rosnano, wages will not be a worker. It is necessary that the director / boss becomes a person who has completely passed the path from a worker to a boss, and if a person has never picked up a tool and does not know the problems of production becomes a boss, then this is called wrecking. And as for this exhibition, as I understand it, this is innovation and it has nothing to do with the production of real products. Now, if there is a demand, then there will be a product. This is if the price is appropriate for it, and not like in our plant, the wrap for civilian products is 700%, so no one began to take it. And all because of the parasites in the plant management of 7 floors of parasites.
    1. +3
      11 July 2015 17: 32
      here I agree. 1 with a bipod 7 with a spoon.
    2. Alf
      +1
      11 July 2015 22: 10
      Quote: terminator978
      And all because of the parasites in the plant management of 7 floors of parasites.

      Well, if only seven floors.
      Photo factory AvtoVAZ against the background of the working buildings.
      How can you feed them all here.
      1. Fox
        0
        13 July 2015 06: 45
        so that's not all! the shops are full of desks, where parasites in herds sits in great numbers.
  32. +1
    11 July 2015 17: 18
    And why are our rulers themselves not eager and ambitious to be at the forefront of technology. Are we really not able to establish our own production of high-quality cars, computer equipment, civil aviation, etc.? I think that we can do everything, which is confirmed by the crisis moments in our history. So why do we have to give a kick in the ass to take action? Immediately you remember how after the industrial revolution in England Germany and France rushed to catch up with it. How backward then Japan strove to adopt European technologies. And ours do not need anything, all the time they bring us up to the handle. So now who can I thank for our awakening? I think Obama!
    1. +1
      11 July 2015 21: 40
      Quote: Direct
      Are we not able to establish our own production of high-quality cars, computer equipment, civil aviation, etc.?

      Really still do not understand? what
  33. +2
    11 July 2015 17: 18
    "The ministry has prepared and is pushing through the government a directive, which, by analogy with military-industrial complex enterprises, will prohibit state monopolies from buying foreign equipment if there are domestic analogues." It is necessary to permit and encourage the purchase of high-tech equipment, but if it is a "cut", the leaders of the "deal" from the chief engineer to the president of the corporation - for 20 years with confiscation without the right to parole. fellow
    1. 0
      11 July 2015 17: 41
      Quote: da Vinci
      "The ministry has prepared and is pushing through the government a directive, which, by analogy with military-industrial complex enterprises, will prohibit state monopolies from buying foreign equipment if there are domestic analogues." It is necessary to permit and encourage the purchase of high-tech equipment, but if it is a "cut", the leaders of the "deal" from the chief engineer to the president of the corporation - for 20 years with confiscation without the right to parole.


      I've put you a plus ... Hmmm ... From hopelessness ... I would like for some of your ideas to be implemented ...
  34. +1
    11 July 2015 17: 35
    The only thing that spoils the picture is the presence at the exhibition of the premiere.
  35. +2
    11 July 2015 17: 39
    Russia is turning ...

    I would like to add that right now applicants are taking entrance exams at universities, and this year the number of budget places on technical profiles (faculties) has been increased by 20% ...

    I understand that this is still catastrophically small, however, there is a shift ... At least, the children of the "cool" will not go to study in technical professions, and thus will not take their place (I apologize for the loud words and pathos) new Mikhailo Lomonosov ...

    Little, little ... And the universities dispersed, combined, and the teaching staff - AU ??? !!!
    However, it seems to me that the beginning has been made ... God grant him success ...
  36. 0
    11 July 2015 17: 41
    1. "... for which" Togliatti is a cursed place ", this car would simply not exist."

    2. "Agree, the future turned out to be very beautiful."

    According to the first quote - it would be better not to exist!
    On the second - Potemkin villages are even more beautiful!
    Summary. In Russia they will never be good:
    a) make cars;
    b) Play football.
    Well this is not ours !!!
    1. 0
      11 July 2015 18: 20
      fellow I agree with you completely !!! For asphalt, the Germans will do for us, but still we will go for the mushrooms in the Niva. And as for football, no one else in the world has understood that ancient wooden mechanisms play against them, they’ll get tired of losing - we’ll send and break the yard boys.
    2. 0
      11 July 2015 23: 12
      Quote: Theodore Rasp
      Well this is not ours !!!

      That's exactly what is not yours)) There are people who want and know how to do.
  37. +5
    11 July 2015 17: 49
    For two decades, Russia was dragged from the machine, Lawyers and economists instead of turners and locksmiths. These lawyers and brokers for bread and yoghurts already borrowed ...
  38. +2
    11 July 2015 17: 54
    Quote: meriem1
    There is nothing to rejoice. Sit on your ass yourself. Did anything for the Fatherland ??? And drop your poison, not carry bags ....

    Well, in the first place, we also need to carry bags, they have no legs. And we don't sit at home, we work. And we will be glad when we see domestic electronics on store shelves, and at a normal price. And so every week, symposia, exhibitions, meetings, and other "buffet tables" - and things are there. Everything is for show, "in the execution of decrees." hi
  39. +5
    11 July 2015 17: 57
    From "turning" to "working behind the machine" - the distance is huge. Recreate vocational school. TEACH. Pay a normal salary. Create (recreate) businesses.
    1. +1
      11 July 2015 23: 09
      Quote: KBR109
      Pay a normal salary.

      The salary will be when our people start buying ours, i.e. at home, not at them !!
  40. +1
    11 July 2015 18: 31
    Well, what a whining, I saw the first machine already in 87 at our institute, and that, enough of living in the past, we need to create now, I think it’s right that we took up our own, and the solution methods (copied, joint production, industrial espionage, etc.) e), are not important, therefore, conversations "purely Russian", at the bath stage, are simply not correct, but they simply have to produce their own needles and other wide consumer goods, and this is no less dependence than high technologies
    1. 0
      11 July 2015 18: 37
      What do you think, how long does it take to prepare from the workpiece of the machinist 5, or even better, 6th grade? After all, 3-4 in modern industry is usually unacceptable.
      1. +2
        11 July 2015 18: 56
        If you are talking about CNC machines, then the theory will easily be mastered by a 6 (six) grader of a general education institution (how infuriates me this wording, why not school ..) plus labor lessons to consolidate in practice, plus physics lessons - a crucible in a laboratory, so that shavings and parts to melt into ingots (aluminum (s)). And then the "blank" itself will know what it will turn into, into the fifth category, or into an engineer hi
        1. +2
          11 July 2015 19: 31
          Alas, this is not about the CNC control system. Don't you remember the speech of the chief designer of "Almaz" about two of his most valuable workers - retired turner and milling machine operator of the 6th district?
        2. +3
          11 July 2015 21: 37
          At the age of 17, I "twisted" three machines with CNC 16K20f3s5 (Kievpribor, .z-od. Lepse, first N-22, then switched to digital, and then Humpbacked), not knowing what awaits us in the future. And it turned out a Kalash and a trowel in hand. smile
    2. 0
      11 July 2015 20: 37
      I saw the first normal machine in the 88th - turning, and what is unfortunate, the swastika stood on it. Irpen Industrial College, Kiev region. sad
  41. -1
    11 July 2015 18: 41
    Initiative is a great thing.
  42. -1
    11 July 2015 19: 07
    A very optimistic article. For a long time I have not heard kind words addressed to our developers and manufacturers. In particular, I was struck by the Tavolga monoblock computer and Vesta from Togliatti. Let us hope for the best.
  43. +3
    11 July 2015 19: 13
    our company doesn’t even smell of technology and innovations. The safety automatics of the 80th year. The supply is minimal. The reserve is only from those objects that have been dismantled while we use it but will soon be gone. We tried to replace it with modern equipment that was also outdated, but had not been trained staff .ni schemes just take anything and maintain as you want ... seeing this mess, you can’t believe in miracles in any way, although I really want to. Just look at what is called locally on the situation. I’m not saying that it’s all over the place. But this is the IMHO trend.
    1. +2
      11 July 2015 19: 57
      Well, what kind of owner is such an enterprise.
    2. +3
      11 July 2015 20: 44
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      just take and serve as you want ...

      Give employers ready-made specialists, but how to organize advanced training courses, so immediately something is missing.
  44. +2
    11 July 2015 20: 20
    So far, GDP will go by Merc, and not by ZIL (they ruined production), there will be no business.
    Zil 117, for example, is a unique transport, what kind of bentley can drive through an open sewer hatch bully Here is the mayor of all the meadows just on it and went in picking a convertible .. and did not even lose his cap.

    No, I understand that Pobeda is in his garage, Niva is standing, I would not be surprised that a "top" moped with pedals too .. smile
  45. 0
    11 July 2015 20: 31
    An interesting history of the word machine. Our ancestors had a sense of humor, calling their workplace so. Those who dealt with horses, stables, horse yards will understand me. The funny thing is that I knew both meanings of this word from childhood, and I saw the connection only now.
    1. 0
      12 July 2015 23: 59
      Yeah. Also ask about the meaning of the word "plant".
  46. +2
    11 July 2015 21: 01
    Finally, the topic is waiting! The word machine in the title of the topic! Class !!! And how many were there at the exhibition?
    Regarding CNC machines, he came to the factory in the 77th. There was already a section of these machines - turning, milling, drilling. Their mandrels and their own plates. They did the same details as now.
    Came "new" 2006 - almost all CNC controls are imported ... and again the same parts!
    The world is already moving away from machining, although we are unlikely to catch up with it. And is it worth going after, is it not time for science right away (most importantly, for it to be) immediately begin to work on what modern industrial powers already have. The time has come for institutes to enter factories, recruitment of initiative youth and normal payment. A YEAR chatted ... is it time for a job?
    1. 0
      11 July 2015 23: 03
      Quote: Michael55
      And is it worth going after, is it not time for science right away (most importantly, for it to be) immediately begin to work on what modern industrial powers already have.

      Hint of avoiding machining to 3-printer production ??
  47. +1
    11 July 2015 21: 18
    There would be more such positive and no need to be shy to show all these successes to the population, this will help us to survive our failures. Indeed, in our life there is not so much good and it is necessary to brighten up our existence, where we have slipped thanks to our Secretary General Grobachev. But we can make the devil dance, if people with a smart head are at the head of the country and at work.
  48. 0
    11 July 2015 21: 55
    Quote: ssergn
    It was an Opel.

    And Magna.
  49. +5
    11 July 2015 22: 04
    Another window dressing. Many people are right to say that when the kitchen has its own (Russian) refrigerator, the hall has its own TV (computer), preferably on its own element base, when the "consumer goods" of the first necessity, basically, will also have its own, only then it will be possible to speak, with reservations about the first positive progress. And the presence of LADIES only increases the "status" of show.
  50. +5
    11 July 2015 22: 58
    3 days ago I walked along the street - I see ahead of the course a column of road repair equipment, of various kinds, in the amount of about 10 units. Slowed down, specially reading and looking closely - different Asians, catarpillers, even some simple skating rink, and that turned out to be an ancient bourgeois ....... Are we really impotent and ?? And these articles and exhibitions are the traditional native fraud of the tops !!
  51. 0
    12 July 2015 00: 07
    Quote: Vadim237
    I pay my machine operators 60 pieces.

    And mechanics for assembling metal structures. fluent in working with any drawings, knowledgeable in welding technology. How much do you agree to pay?
  52. +1
    12 July 2015 00: 15
    Russia turns to the machine... looks, and there is a skeleton... of the last of the 6th grade turners... It's sad that the generation of professional machine operators is practically gone - there will be no one to pass on the experience to. I remember in Soviet times, they rushed around with students like they were in a sack - and the marriage was blamed on them, so that they wouldn’t be deprived of bonuses) About 10 years ago I asked a teacher I knew from a vocational school (that’s more common)) at an aircraft plant to be a lathe operator for a couple of months for a lathe. He gave me the best one from the group (he had already defended his diploma after 3 years of study!) I gave him a pipe to cut and left on business. He calls - he broke several cutting tools, it doesn’t work! It turned out he was cutting on the automatic feed, how could it not kill him?! I started asking questions - how were they taught? The workshop was swept, but nothing was done to the machines - God forbid there was a defect! Only in vocational schools and trained on broken-down 1K62...
    1. 0
      12 July 2015 00: 50
      Quote: Yuyuka
      . It's sad that the generation of professional machine operators is practically gone - there will be no one to pass on their experience to.

      No, we're still struggling, but who to tell it to - well, there aren't many people willing to give it to us.
  53. +1
    12 July 2015 00: 20
    There is a Russian region, the size of 5 France.
    in 1984 he took 5th place in the field of “somehow” work.
    they made a wooden mop very quickly...
    in 1985 he took 1st place in the region, again “for some reason” of work. the task was turning, everything was done in the best possible way.
    a couple of years later, already at the institute (summer production practice) they were awarded the 4th category of turner and the 4th category of milling machine operator.
    then "army" (from June 1989 to November 1989. and then, by the decision of the 1st Congress of People's Deputies, all "students" were sent home) training: "03205 in Kazan" - VUS "mechanic of radar and missile guidance systems, ed. 01 ". then 8 months of construction (from auxiliary mason to foreman). ...
    As a result, by the age of 35 there are dozens of specialties/opportunities.
    where, in which foreign “penates” will they teach this?
    By the way, they persistently called me to the “foreign countries”. and more than once.
    thank God I didn’t leave.
    right now “there” I would do all sorts of crap for “three kopecks” - like a couple of mine
    very advanced classmates.
    py.sy.: but it’s better to love it at home!
    1. 0
      12 July 2015 00: 53
      Quote: erseer
      py.sy.: but it’s better to love it at home!

      It's better to be the first guy in the village than the last in the city. smile
  54. 0
    12 July 2015 00: 24
    Quote: siberalt
    The crop was reduced by 88 lard rubles. Every year, up to 1000 libraries are closed in Russia.
    nope, not 1000. Mulyon is closed. "I bet."
  55. 0
    12 July 2015 00: 31
    Good article, but only half of the population of Russia lives below the poverty line, if only the government and officials could change. Oh dreams.
    1. 0
      12 July 2015 14: 10
      Quote: vasman
      , but only half of the population of Russia lives below the poverty line, if only the government and officials could be changed.

      Or draw a new line...
  56. +1
    12 July 2015 00: 35
    I read the article, then the comments - and it became sad and depressing, there was hopeless shit all around. It's time to bring everything back while people who remember are alive
    that not everything was bad, as the current ideologists of the construction are trying to convince us
    developed capitalism in Russia. We have lost a lot and created nothing in return.
  57. +1
    12 July 2015 00: 53
    Quote: vasman
    Good article, but only half of the population of Russia lives below the poverty line, if only the government and officials could change. Oh dreams.
    I saw a bunch of people “living below the poverty line.” They feel quite good. Well, I mean, the tax office thinks that they live “below the line” and they just agree with the tax office.
    For the very poor, I offer a good option: 49 acres very close to the asphalt (5 meters), very, very good living space (really European-quality renovation), electricity, gas/water around the perimeter. 32 km to Voronezh. The river is nearby. There are people nearby (very close) and these are ducks/chickens/rams/milk and so on...
    And only 500 thousand rubles. (the documents are all in order - *I will).
    Photos on request.
    Are there any brave/armed/hard-working/hungry for citizenship??
  58. +1
    12 July 2015 01: 09
    Quote: villain
    Quote: erseer
    py.sy.: but it’s better to love it at home!

    It's better to be the first guy in the village than the last in the city. smile
    I did this during the Soviet Union. But!! I didn’t have the desire to “beat everyone.” Naturally, there was a “type one” pleasantness, but not through everything...
    option: “friendship won” really worked.
  59. 0
    12 July 2015 01: 57
    The future certainly turned out beautiful. But damn... The pelvis is low again!
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  61. +1
    12 July 2015 05: 45
    Quote: Novel 11
    Hint of avoiding machining to 3-printer production ??

    Not only that, electrical erosion processing is already in full swing! We dream of a machine like this!!! No expensive milling cutters and no lengthy processes that allow you to overcome heat treatment... Machine and electrodes, that’s it!!! Of course, you will need your own specialists and your own expertise. But this is already the XNUMXst century.
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    2. 0
      12 July 2015 14: 23
      Quote: Michael55
      But this is already the XNUMXst century.

      Quote: Michael55
      Not only that, electrical erosion processing is already in full swing!

      3D technology is on the way - soon they will no longer have to tinker with a metal blank, but will immediately get the finished part on the printer! A completely different approach and no mass of waste. fellowFor example, the Industrial 3D printer for metal EOSINT 280 is the latest improved model that allows you to obtain high-quality metal products based solely on CAD file data, in a fully automatic mode. It takes only a few hours to manufacture a product that may contain permanent hinges, without any additional processing.
      1. 0
        12 July 2015 17: 14
        In the future, they will create a symbiosis of a 3D CNC machining center and a 3D printer.
  62. +1
    12 July 2015 09: 21
    I'm a machine operator. Was. But I still remember. 1K62. My brother worked on several, in recent years DIP 300. My nephew worked on CNC. Yes, I worked on the carousel. Now they are all scrapped. But some of the machines have been working since the war. Now there are still people who could teach, but it’s like with WWII veterans there are fewer of them every year.
    1. +1
      12 July 2015 09: 53
      I trained myself on CNC machines, German ones, when I started my own business, and then I trained turners, everything took half a year, and then we started replacing old machines with new CNC ones.
  63. 0
    12 July 2015 09: 26
    -Yes.., if only this turn was not towards the “printing press”... -not for printing “inflationary rubles”...
  64. +1
    12 July 2015 10: 34
    Before turning to the machine, you need to think about who will work on the machine.
    Vocational schools were all destroyed. Now on the basis of any former vocational school, either a lyceum, a technical school, or a college... ugh .. and who do they train? How many real educational institutions are left that train specialists in turners, milling machines, foundry workers, etc. Just managers in the country. Old people will leave production and there will be no one to work.
    It is necessary to recreate the training production base, attract young people, raise the authority of the specialist worker, and finally remember what labor dynasties are.
    And without this, you can shout about new products as much as you like, they will remain exhibition items or will be stupidly sold abroad.
    1. 0
      12 July 2015 13: 58
      Those enterprises that need machine operators train them themselves, already in practice.
    2. 0
      12 July 2015 14: 25
      Quote: Bourgeois
      Vocational schools were all destroyed

      And what remains is now called lyceum! Imagine - Pushkin of Tsarskoye Selo PeTeUshnik! laughing
  65. 0
    12 July 2015 14: 15
    Where is the foundation of the plant for the production of the shown electronics? Spacesuits in batches of hundreds of thousands are not needed; they are apparently made in sufficient quantities. But to provide for those consumers who need only domestic computers - here we need a lot of plants, and not just one. So until I see DAM on the first pile of such a plant, or better yet, the launch of the last one, I will retain a bit of cautious skepticism in my commentary.
  66. +1
    12 July 2015 14: 29
    I have been working at the plant for 11 years. I see the following problems when turning to the machine:

    1) The education system for machine tool specialists has been destroyed. Over the past 10 years, not a single student has been trained. The factories are operated by Soviet personnel. Vocational schools, PUs and others have completely stopped training machine operators. Including those sponsored by our plant.

    2) The machine tool industry has been destroyed. Raising it is a problem. 1 kg of Russian cast iron 200 rubles, Chinese 50 rubles. Machine tools are 2-3 or more tons of cast iron. And this is a small part of the machine. Add electric motors, drives, high-precision parts, which again cannot be manufactured without precision machines.

    3) There is a complete lack of incentives for workers + a complete lack of desire among young people to work as workers (it’s not even just about money; Soviet films brought up respect to the profession, but now they only film about the beautiful life according to Western scripts).
  67. +1
    12 July 2015 15: 23
    The T-34 also once began with the American Christie, and the Tu-95 with the B-29. It is important to simply be aware of your lag. The Roman legions were strong precisely because of their “borrowings” from their enemies. Spartan "tortoise", Carthaginian "scutums", Parthian "cataphracts". And China, which was once ahead of the rest of the planet in terms of technology, closed its borders and slowly slipped into the Middle Ages. Progress is only possible in an environment of maximum exchange of ideas and technologies. Why invent a “bicycle”, it’s easier to take a ready-made one and make some kind of “space scooter” out of it.
    PS Regarding nostalgia for the Soviet past. I'm nostalgic myself. But the lag in “cybernetics” and “genetics” began precisely then. In all honesty, who then would not exchange a domestic TV or refrigerator for a “foreign” one? And patriotism has nothing to do with it. You can't be strong everywhere. For example, we are strong in “space and atom”, and let the Germans and Japanese (Chinese) make household appliances for us
  68. +1
    12 July 2015 19: 06
    I do not believe!
    1.) The main reason for this is that at the exhibition there is not Russian equipment for the production of microcircuits, not Russian soldering machines, not Russian laboratory equipment, not Russian CNC machines, but some kind of consumer goods with a claim for nano-Uncatchability by the Whole World;
    2). profession - treating animals.)
  69. 0
    12 July 2015 19: 11
    By the way: when I read the title of the article, I immediately thought that the adjective ********* (to put it mildly, bending) would be a good addition. feel
  70. 0
    13 July 2015 06: 29
    Based on 5 exhibition items, the author describes the grandiose prospects for Russia. It's all stupidity. They don't make the weather. These super-smart developments are not items of mass demand, since industry and agriculture require machine tools, tractors, combines, airplanes, computers... What Russia has forgotten how to do and buys 90% of it in the West. And such a return to industry will cost a lot of money and time
  71. 0
    13 July 2015 09: 30
    As one of the site participants correctly said, this should have been done yesterday, I would like to add, the day before yesterday, the AUTHORITY has a complete lack of strategic thinking and planning, political will, most importantly, honesty and professionalism, as the site participants correctly say, they have little understanding of economics and the personnel of TWO LAWYERS because of this there is a complete failure in these areas, and “their own” in power have committed all their sins, it’s shameful and insulting, complete stupidity and a mess, they are engaged in self-PR when 22,9 million Russian citizens are below the poverty line, due to the fault of the “rotten eggs” of the government - the economic bloc and two PIPETS from the Central Bank.
  72. 0
    13 July 2015 10: 24
    as soon as they cease to be exhibition items, but go into series, then we can talk about resuming production. In the meantime, I haven’t seen many factories (my father is just a chief engineer, and I was able to visit different ones, and he told me about them), they all live out their days in crumbling and dirty premises where almost everyone is focused on color. meth They are probably producing something somewhere. Good factories in new buildings are those that do only assembly; yes, everything is sterile. But their owner is not ours.
    It’s just that our president sang about innovation during his term. But there are still no new products. Samples only.
    Let's at least start small. Completely abandon imported paperwork. And just out of curiosity, I looked at my desk, and there wasn’t a single domestic pencil or pen. The staples are even imported.
  73. +1
    13 July 2015 11: 25
    There was a sea of ​​oil dollars, so what? What have you been doing for two decades? They stole and transferred the stolen goods to offshore companies and Western banks, these are the “patriots”. All state property was sold or given as a gift to the ethnic mafia. Now they are forced and reluctant to engage in production. Even so, the country’s leadership declares that sanctions “will force their production to develop.” Why should they be “forced” to develop domestic production? Why didn’t you invest in the automotive industry, electronics, and civil aviation? On the contrary, everything was destroyed! And now things are heading towards war, and we are broke and there is no need to console ourselves with the existing successes of the military-industrial complex and tell us that we will not be drawn into an arms race. We'll get involved! Our economies are too unequal. Complete immediate mobilization, industrialization and restructuring of the entire economy is needed, and the sooner the better - time is quickly running out!
  74. 0
    13 July 2015 16: 04
    As long as specialists are paid 25 thousand, nothing will happen. That's how iPhones and iPads will remain.
  75. 0
    13 July 2015 16: 39
    The article seems to be good, but the stories about “protecting AvtoVAZ” - that’s just why I downvoted it. What the hell is AvtoVAZ's protection?!? This is a stupid waste of colossal money! When Artyakov moved from Avtovaz to the post of governor of the Samara region, for some reason he received a very solid “golden parachute” (after the storm began, he stated that he had allegedly returned everything). Here we can remain silent about the quality of the car and the price-quality ratio. When they try to advertise a “sports Grant” for 2 million?!? Yes, it’s easier to buy Lancer Evo 10 for the same price.
    A friend works at an official dealer, they received an official letter. The bottom line is this: if customers complain about increased noise in the car, then we need to recommend them... TO BUY CARS IN A MORE EXPENSIVE PRICE SEGMENT!!! And so in all aspects.
    And most importantly, it’s certainly good at exhibitions; we know how to build Potemkin villages perfectly. What in practice? What is the share of actually implemented ones?
  76. 0
    13 July 2015 17: 06
    We are learning to be proud of the past, it’s not right, we want to be proud of the present and such exhibitions make us proud of our country
  77. 0
    14 July 2015 07: 59
    Quote: Novel 11
    3 days ago I walked along the street - I see ahead of the course a column of road repair equipment, of various kinds, in the amount of about 10 units. Slowed down, specially reading and looking closely - different Asians, catarpillers, even some simple skating rink, and that turned out to be an ancient bourgeois ....... Are we really impotent and ?? And these articles and exhibitions are the traditional native fraud of the tops !!

    Do you know the difference between servicing an imported tractor and a domestic one? The imported one works from service maintenance to service maintenance, but the domestic driver spends all his free time. If it doesn’t lie down, then after a few months the tractor stops. Yes, the imported analogue costs exactly five times more, but in the end it costs less than downtime. Don't forget about ergonomics. The clean, spacious, air-conditioned cab with all-round visibility increases productivity. Well, at least take a VAZ. Maintenance is more common and costs the same as foreign cars, usually consumes more, and breaks down not just more often, but many times more often.
  78. +3
    14 July 2015 08: 08
    Every time a Tavolg monoblock is delivered to a Russian company or to a sensitive facility, somewhere in California an NSA analyst who is left without work will cry.

    This is the case if the software is also domestic.
    You will be able to brag about AvtoVAZ when the cars begin to be mass-produced and they prove to be competitive.
    The spacesuit is super! You're sending Medvedev into space! To share experiences.
  79. 0
    14 July 2015 08: 11
    All this, unfortunately, is IBD (imitation of vigorous activity).
  80. 0
    14 July 2015 10: 42
    Hurray, hurray, welcome! soldier