“Fresh” Thoughts of US Senators on Georgia

“Fresh” Thoughts of US Senators on GeorgiaIn October, the Washington-based 2011 th working group, led by US senators, presented a very interesting report on how it (the group) sees the further development of Georgia. Moreover, the report had very few words about the economic development of the former Soviet Republic, and more and more it was about its military doctrine, more precisely about the doctrine of the United States and NATO in relation to Georgia.


So, these researchers of the “Georgian problems” found out that literally all the evils of the growing Georgian democracy only come from the fact that the “occupying forces” are in Abkhazia together with South Ossetia. If you develop the idea of ​​senators and their like-minded people, then all the troubles of the Georgians are only from Russia - the “occupation” troops are Russian.

The working group does not simply state the facts, but cites a whole list of actions that should help the Georgian leader to make his country "powerful and prosperous." Among other points of this list, there is the following: to put pressure on Russia with a view to withdrawing the Russian contingent from the designated territories and to quarter the mixed (read-NATO) contingent of peacekeeping forces there. At the same time, the senators are missing one “small” detail: the people of both South Ossetia and Abkhazia would hardly agree to those who created Mr. Saakashvili three years ago to start a war to “create peace” on their land.

Senators propose to carry out the training of Georgian troops on the territory of Georgia. It seems that somewhere we have all seen and heard this. Wasn’t such training conducted by American military specialists of the Georgian formations just before the attack on Tskhinvali? And didn’t there have been publications on the WikiLeaks website about how those same American experts spoke of the Georgian army, calling it extremely undisciplined (this is the softest epithet)? It turns out that some forces in the United States again want to "prepare" the soldiers of the "marshal" Saakashvili for another provocation. Well, not to the military parade! .. Especially since Saakashvili himself knows how to arrange parades.

By the way, even if we admit (like a nightmare) that Russian troops suddenly receive orders to leave South Ossetia and Abkhazia, what mission will the NATO "peacekeepers" perform there? Georgia, for example, will again try to invade Tskhinvali, and NATO soldiers will start shooting at tanks Saakashvili? .. Some kind of phantasmagoria.

Further, the speakers make a proposal to create in Georgia a certain “logistics hub”, which will be, as much as possible, the gateway to Central Asia. Gateway, again, for whom? If for NATO, then the gate can not be called peace. And the Americans themselves have such a gate too much. Maybe it would be clearer if the senators called Georgia a “logistics hub” for testing Russia's patience or a “gateway to Caucasian oil.” In this case, things at least called their own names.

Some experts in Moscow say that such proposals by the US commission on Georgia are more like the plot of the thriller “How Americans finally turn the Russians against themselves”.

In general, the above judgments in terms of the development of Georgia’s military capabilities and its gradual drawing into the North Atlantic Alliance by the Americans look like an attempt to re-step on the old rake of Saakashvili. Moreover, if the Americans begin to strengthen their military contingent in Georgia, then they may simply not have enough people. After all, today the Americans are still fighting with someone in Iraq, are tightly bogged down in Afghanistan, have views of Iran and Pakistan, continue to participate in "help" to Libyan rebels, patrol the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean Sea. And all this at a time when the overwhelming majority of US citizens oppose the demonstration of military power, which is based on a “leaky budget” and drives the country's economy deeper and deeper into the crisis abyss. Perhaps there will be soldiers in Georgia who, according to Washington, will be withdrawn from Afghanistan. In this case, Georgia will turn into a kind of caravanserai, where, together with the "Afghan" Americans, accustomed to cruelty, violence and drug trafficking, all these vices will come. Here, even Saakashvili, I suppose, will not be happy for such a military presence as part of the “deterrence program.” In this regard, the situation may turn into a Kosovo variant, when no one knows where the curve of American power thought will lead.
There is also an opinion in the USA about the fact that Georgia will need NATO in order to prevent Russia from “building the USSR” again. This opinion is increasingly growing in the government circles of the United States, especially after Putin, firstly, announced his consent to go as a candidate for the presidential election 2012, and, secondly, after he also announced creation of the Eurasian Union.

It turns out that the Americans are not at all concerned about the security and development of Georgia, but only about their interests in the immediate vicinity of the Russian borders.
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  1. Vadivak 21 October 2011 08: 49 New
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    NATO will need Georgia in order to prevent Russia from “building the USSR” again.

    Guys, do not hope that the nation of heroes and poets has long gone down to the level of traders and thieves (including in the "law"), and their army, as shown by combat experience, differs only in looting
    1. timhelmet 21 October 2011 08: 52 New
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      Are you about which nation?
      1. Vadivak 21 October 2011 09: 26 New
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        This is me Artem about Georgians
    2. Igor Vladimirovich
      Igor Vladimirovich 21 October 2011 16: 59 New
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      It’s not good, dear, to speak about everyone like that. Trader and thief is not a nationality. You will not be delighted if claims are made to you for the “jambs” of the top management?
  2. timhelmet 21 October 2011 08: 51 New
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    Like a gritsa, the amerites became obsessed. A lot of what they want angry
  3. sirToad
    sirToad 21 October 2011 09: 01 New
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    when the "great cartels" were just beginning their monologues on the theme "WE are a free and independent country!" they had a bunch of reasons why they would live better — this was a car factory in Kutaisi, an aircraft factory and a metallurgical plant in Rustavi and tea with tangerines, and also resorts with wine and mineral water. and they were sure that in the west they would not wait to queue for these goods. but time passed, the queue was not observed and I had to get from the far shelf dusty and rotten hatred of the Russians. and here they did not fail. best-selling goods. it goes with a bang.
    1. esaul 21 October 2011 17: 08 New
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      sir, cool said! Neither reduce nor add!
    2. Marat
      Marat 21 October 2011 21: 35 New
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      Support (also) SirToad! The Baltic states have the same situation - no one needs transistors of the WEF and RAFiki, etc. All these border republics of the Eurasian world had to "hold hands" on sales markets and sources of financing and energy - for the Union.
      1. sirToad
        sirToad 22 October 2011 05: 45 New
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        I can add. For the first time, a position of this type emanating from the Georgian intelligentsia was encountered during the life of Chernenko. And the main argument was - they got it already with their wars! (meaning Afghanistan) the argument was that if it weren’t for our troops, there would have been NATO members who didn’t act- "we could have lived peacefully and well if it weren’t for YOU" who needs this Afghanistan, etc. all the more so since at that time a whole house of crippled and disabled people was already gathering in the district hospital in Tbilisi. I remembered these conversations when I heard that the Kartvelian warriors had already been noted in Afghanistan and Iraq. thought - and what is the opinion of the same people now?
        1. esaul 22 October 2011 08: 06 New
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          sir Toad, I will support once again, but already by my example. At work, at the beginning of the 90's, he was on business trips in Central Asia. At the table, willy-nilly, there was talk of non-dependence, self-determination, etc. Very often I heard the words: "Go to your place! We will live better without you! We have everything - cotton, apples, peaches ...!" Years passed and what? The FMS is not able to curb the flow of "Gastors", and they all come from a prosperous land! It’s a pity these nations, they bear the brunt of their ambitions (I must say bluntly and impudently) rulers on their shoulders and, already privately (with pradas and not truths), "unite" with Russia - receive citizenship and transport their families!
          1. Denis 22 October 2011 08: 38 New
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            Quote: esaul
            they carry on their shoulders and, already privately (with pradas and not truths), "unite" with Russia - receive citizenship and transport their families!

            you shouldn’t feel sorry for them, then grunted “go to your Russia!”, and everyone screamed, people left, many abandoned apartments and everything acquired, but nobody needed in Russia
            so that talking about poor gastric is forgiven
          2. sirToad
            sirToad 22 October 2011 10: 37 New
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            Do they have a choice? An example from my native Azerbaijan. when Khomeini came to power from Iran, there was massive religious propaganda - about the Muslim brothers suffering under the rule of atheists - infidels. in the minds, of course, fermentation. especially since there was no distinct counter-propaganda. and then electronic watches began to be imported en masse - every hour on the display there is a color portrait of the ayatollah. watch - shit broke in a month - but in the eyes of a nationalist - a plus. "You Russians can't do that." etc. Only now when in 1989 through a provocation arranged, most likely from the outside. the border line was hacked and many Azerbaijanis visited the “other side”, many were thoughtful. and even more thoughtful when Iranian citizens began to come to Azerbaijan en masse and swept everything from the shelves - from rice to coffee grinders and Sunrise motorcycles. About incidentally, then the whole gendarmerie moved to the "Rises".
            Now, the vast majority of the male population of Azerbaijan work in Russia. When my parents left in 2001 there was a curious incident - the mountain village demanded that the Majlis be deprived of their citizenship and sent to neighboring Russia. to Iran, no one wanted to co-religionists.
            1. Ivan35
              Ivan35 22 October 2011 18: 11 New
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              sirToad, good comments! I agree and support them!
              1. sirToad
                sirToad 22 October 2011 20: 34 New
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                I write what I think. what did you see. Always happy.
  4. Maksim
    Maksim 21 October 2011 09: 03 New
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    Well, the Georgians are these filthy friends with NATO angry
  5. Motherland
    Motherland 21 October 2011 09: 43 New
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    But in fact, why is Russia Georgia?
    1. lightforcer
      lightforcer 21 October 2011 11: 56 New
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      But why Chechnya?
    2. Marat
      Marat 21 October 2011 21: 41 New
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      I do not agree with this statement of the question. Now, of course, it’s not necessary — the whole nation is poisoned by Pendosov’s propaganda and hostile - it’s impossible to accept them into any Union
      But in the future they need to be "treated - brainwashed" so that this territory is under our influence - and not under the Turks or pendos - and in the future it is necessary to attach it
      After all, it was not in vain that tsarist Russia was moving to the Caucasus — and it was not for nothing that the USSR stood firmly there — there is no holy place — we will leave — others will come
    3. lekso8585
      lekso8585 27 October 2011 04: 34 New
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      but because it’s a brotherly people. I live in Ossetia and I know a lot of Georgians, do you think they want war ???? they don’t stir up, but the United States !!!!! They didn’t let me in, but the guys told me a lot that they surrendered themselves. They did not want to fight, but went to the army because besides the army and the police there is no work there. By the way, they heroically fought in the great Russian !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
      1. sirToad
        sirToad 27 October 2011 05: 01 New
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        but you must admit that now they are ruled by nationalists. raving with the ideas of the "great Georgia" Shida Kartli, Sakartvelo - and these ideas are still voiced even by seemingly adequate people. I also have friends from Georgia, but by chance they are mostly not Kartvels but Mingrelians, Svans, and Ossetians.
  6. almost demobil 21 October 2011 09: 54 New
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    The author of the article, for some reason, chewed up common truths. Or the article has been for several years.
  7. Denis 21 October 2011 10: 58 New
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    maybe then you should make friends with Iran?
  8. Ion coaelung
    Ion coaelung 21 October 2011 11: 04 New
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    Bring indisputable evidence to the amers that Stsukashvili is a bloody dictator, let him eliminate it :) the Georgian people are silent; ??? they themselves know with whom it was better!
  9. Petrol 21 October 2011 11: 13 New
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    Georgia .... ask the Georgian what this word is in their language means he will answer that this is the name of the territory that does not have the meaning of the fatherland of the motherland ... then the question is who is the Invader ..... in ancient times, the Persian tribes were ready (Germans) assimilated the Gothic formation of Prussia appeared on the territory of perunovruses ... well, now the Georgia project is being implemented, although on dolmens (inside) and lighthouses of the yar there are inscriptions with runes of makoshi I am highlighted especially often where a fish coming from the east is depicted ....
  10. fellow misha 21 October 2011 11: 23 New
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    It turns out that the Americans are not at all concerned about the security and development of Georgia, but only about their interests in the immediate vicinity of the Russian borders.

    Funny words, you might think Hitler-Napoleons with "Western values" in your pocket, before the attack, stamped near our borders
  11. VALENOK
    VALENOK 21 October 2011 11: 29 New
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    Americans will never fight directly with Russia, the gut is thin, but minor dirty tricks do it please, only they didn’t take into account that the Georgians didn’t know how to fight, no matter how they were armed and whoever taught. they have time left Putin will soon be president, and this saddens them very much, and sooner or later Saakoshvili will leave and even he will be judged now.
    1. does it 21 October 2011 19: 48 New
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      (Americans will never fight directly with Russia, the gut is thin, but petty dirty tricks do it please with your hands) - follow the Bismarck precepts
  12. Evgeny Petrovich 21 October 2011 12: 12 New
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    What Putin will be is not a fact. And if it does, it is not a fact that the direction of international (pro-American and anti-Russian) policies will change. And Putin, in addition to interesting and daring interviews, is not enough to give. Seem to be exhausted or exhausted.
  13. forma2 21 October 2011 14: 09 New
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    Yes, on the horizon a new war in Georgia. Only this time, to the end, and to shoot Sabakashvili in the square, and to carry out a purge at the top of the bureaucrats along Stalin.
    1. does it 21 October 2011 19: 46 New
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      if in Stalin’s, then to conduct an analogue of the Nuremberg trials and then hang them,
  14. rnb1983
    rnb1983 21 October 2011 15: 01 New
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    The Georgian Republic will not bother us ... as a subject of the Russian Federation
  15. fellow misha 21 October 2011 15: 42 New
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    Netuzh is enough for them asians become hungry or scared to flee to Russia, but how little life is getting better and let's go kick her. By the word "scary" I meant Georgians, Armenians, etc. which almost all of them were cut out, do not have time to become a part of Russia in the age of eighteen-eleventh.
    1. Denis 21 October 2011 16: 47 New
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      Quote: comrade misha
      The Georgian Republic will not bother us ... as a subject of the Russian Federation

      and again feed them at the expense of Pskov, or the non-chernozem region, which is already so tired?
      Or just so that the Pindos did not get it?
      1. Glenn witcher 21 October 2011 17: 55 New
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        Border colony. Why America can be covered with antimissiles from Iran, but we cannot be a colony? wink
  16. kostya
    kostya 21 October 2011 18: 17 New
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    Americans will build their bases on the territory of Georgia through which they will transport drugs from Afghanistan to Russia or elsewhere. After all, they don’t put things in order in Afghanistan and they are engaged in drug trafficking. available. bastards in one word
    1. UAZ Patriot 21 October 2011 19: 20 New
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      that solution is simple - just outweigh all the thieves and redneck-tusiks that in Georgia and in Russia live in peace !!! Although in the next hundred years this is hardly possible, and maybe 1000 what
  17. bashkort 21 October 2011 19: 10 New
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    Georgia for amers is like a suitcase without a handle - it’s hard to carry and throw it away - it’s a pity, the grandmas are already paid.
  18. does it 21 October 2011 19: 43 New
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    (Georgia for amers is like a suitcase without a handle - it’s hard to carry and throw it away - it’s a pity, the grandmas have already been paid.) - That’s Russia. to pick up the hands of the Georgians until they (Georgia) settle their debts.
  19. Terminator
    Terminator 21 October 2011 20: 24 New
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    And yet, the best Georgians in relation to Russia (the USSR) that has ever existed is Stalin! And the Georgians themselves, as I heard, are offended by him, allegedly did nothing for Georgia.
    1. lekso8585
      lekso8585 27 October 2011 04: 39 New
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      in fact, he is not a Georgian, but an Ossetian who was born in Georgia.
  20. Uhalus 22 October 2011 01: 05 New
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    Again, divide and rule. That Saakashvili is a puppet, and so it is clear, in which case he will not be asked, but ordered. Georgia for the United States is the future access to oil, a springboard for influence, including and to Russia. The Baltic States are exactly the same, Moldova (where they are now scandalizing the topic “we are Romanians”), Chechnya. In the United States, they have long understood: a large loaf is easier to eat with small bites.
  21. Sorry 22 October 2011 06: 32 New
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    If there is such a world order, it is necessary for the Russian Federation to look for a worthy place in it. So why don’t we join NATO? How many problems would be removed. The Russian Federation wants to have its interests in the world order and act as a full-fledged player on the world map. Wanting does not mean yet can. Diplomats talk about the peaceful resolution of conflicts, at the same time they solve them exclusively by military means. Examples, anytime, anywhere. It can be seen that our current international policy is simply stalling. All of this is due to our military weakness and incorrectly chosen orientations. Irakh. The Armed Forces are still in the process of reform, and in general this satisfies our probable adversary, they are also satisfied with the results of the reform itself. we are not yet able to declare ourselves from a military point of view. Yes, we need to collect land and make alliances. But if you really look, then with whom can we be allies? It is allies, not partners. In the post-Soviet space, only with those who can be an ally, not a parasite. These are Kazakhstan, Belarus, Ukraine with their industrial potential. On other lines are China, India, Venezuela, Brazil and others with a good economy and stable political leadership again. It should be remembered that the Russian Federation is no longer when it will not be in the leaders, as in politics , and in military affairs. Therefore, going with someone to a serious relationship you need to be prepared and give up something. And Georgia is a small episode on a global scale, and besides there is already the USA. What can we talk and argue about? decided.
  22. baluru72
    baluru72 22 October 2011 08: 45 New
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    Sometimes we need to do something like NATO in Libya --- declare Sahak a tyrant and bomb the residence on the sly, sometimes taking off his ties ,,, and the people themselves will take over how to put things in order --- help them ,,,
    1. kosmos84 22 October 2011 10: 40 New
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      not right now to bomb and to finish in 2008 it was necessary!
  23. sedoj 22 October 2011 13: 47 New
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    Everything needs an adequate answer. It is time to restore relations with Cuba, to establish with Vknesuella and Nicaragua, and then still in its infancy. Entering South America more actively is closer to the north.
  24. APASUS 22 October 2011 19: 27 New
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    In general, what could be expected? What do the Americans recognize, what kind of porridge did they make? Saakashvili is the most important democrat in the vast expanses of the former USSR and he needs military assistance to involve other countries ............... .... even if they don’t really want to!
  25. L. konstantin
    L. konstantin 22 October 2011 20: 17 New
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    and I got married !!!
    1. krymskij 22 October 2011 20: 44 New
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      Right today? Why are you sitting in the Internet? It would be necessary for others to engage wink
    2. Magadan 23 October 2011 01: 12 New
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      Congratulations! Family is the main thing, there will be strong families in the country then no external bastards will do anything to us!
  26. Magadan 23 October 2011 01: 15 New
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    Georgia is a wonderful springboard for an attack on Russia. There you can catch a million mercenaries from all countries, arm them, then deliver a lightning strike right through the Caucasus, Stavropol Territory and cut the country along the Volga, separating the industrial West from the raw East. And that’s all. Then finish off in parts. At the same time, the Americans themselves will remain on the sidelines - like they have nothing to do with it.
    1. KuigoroZHIK 23 October 2011 04: 33 New
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      this is how it cut the country along the Volga?
      they will occupy the banks of the Volga and themselves fit into the "vice"?
      O_O chic tactical move.
      ps - a million mercenaries - O_O
  27. Terminator
    Terminator 23 October 2011 17: 49 New
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    I can not vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but: "The American instructors teach the Georgian military. Do you think the Georgians will learn to fight? No, the Americans will learn to sing!" (c) M. Zadornov. This is so, by the way ...