Tsipras takes Brussels for a “soft spot”

Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras said that the Greek people during the referendum should give their answer to the requirements put forward by international lenders (ECB, IMF and the European Commission). Tsipras said that the Greek people must make their decision to continue or refuse to carry out reforms without any external blackmail. Reports about it Deutsche Welle. We are talking about the hardest reforms for Greece, which are imposed by external creditors in order for Athens to be able to fulfill its obligations on external debt.

International lenders for the 4-th time with 2009 year require the Greek government to reduce the size of pensions and social benefits, increase the value added tax and implement state assets in the framework of privatization. If Greece does not go to these "reforms", then the European Commission, the IMF and the ECB are frightening the Greeks with a default. However, this horror story does not particularly scare Athens, since in the event of a default in Greece, an additional impulse may arise for the country's exit from the eurozone, and therefore a threat to the entire European economy, which already is going through hard times. Many citizens of Greece are confident that the EU itself will not go for the recognition of the Greek economy as a default, continuing to provide assistance to the country.

According to Alexis Tsipras, the referendum may take place on July 5. If the Greeks favor the continuation of the course of “tightening the belts,” then Brussels will allocate another aid package promised to Athens in the amount of 7,2 billion euros. Explicit attempt to bribe the Greeks. If the Greeks say no, then the EU will either have to give up financial assistance to Athens and put the very existence of the eurozone in its current borders into question, or else swallow the offense and, saving themselves, give Greece another loan.

In Athens, opposition forces have already announced that they will seek the resignation of the current government of Alexis Tsipras. For obvious reasons, such a figure at the head of Greece in the first place does not suit Brussels, whose interests the current Greek opposition serves.

Comments

[Kosta153]

The guy has eggs! Handsome Archer!

[boa constrictor]

Tsipras takes Brussels as a "soft spot

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Quote: Kosta153

The guy has eggs! Handsome Archer!

Right on the headline! .... and for the most "feberge" !!

[Silkway0026]

And what did they think, always the robbery will go smoothly?
Not all cattle butter. Not all cats are Shrovetide!

[Fat]

the government always takes a loan. pours in to the poorest * bankers * then the bone is thrown to the people. The meat is divided according to its own. It is paid for both the bone and the meat of the people. The banks go bankrupt even robbing the people. A cool scheme. And so from year to year. grows fat and the people run naked

[larand]

Quote: Gros

the government always takes a loan. pours in to the poorest * bankers * then the bone is thrown to the people. The meat is divided according to its own. It is paid for both the bone and the meat of the people. The banks go bankrupt even robbing the people. A cool scheme. And so from year to year. grows fat and the people run naked

Sorry Comrade Gros, what country are you talking about?

[ancient]

Quote: larand

Sorry Comrade Gros, what country are you talking about?

About this one, about which you thought ... "asking", +!

[Aleksandr1959]

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[iConst]

Quote: Silkway0026

Not all cats are Shrovetide!

I would correct: not all cats Maslenitsa!

Since the EU and Tsipras took each other for these same reciprocal and shake their best.

[Dmitry Volodin]

Who has Iichki iron?

[kodxnumx]

The train of thought is correct, and the hands of the example will be untied if the Greeks say no!

[jjj]

Tsipras has already said that Greece will remain in the EU

[WKS]

Quote: jjj

Tsipras has already said that Greece will remain in the EU

The point is not what Tsipras said or did not say, and not even what the people will say in the referendum, and whether this referendum will take place at all. The fact is that in the event of Greece’s withdrawal from the EU, losses will amount to at least 1 trillion EUR. The EU cannot stand it. Therefore, everything is predetermined. Nobody will do such damage, and everything else is dancing with a tambourine around the fire.

[atalef]

Quote: wks

The fact is that in the event of Greece’s withdrawal from the EU, losses will amount to at least 1 trillion EUR. The EU cannot stand it.

AB withstand, it is necessary that it would stand, otherwise such a thief will be divorced even more
A thief who will sit on the neck of Germany's hard workers. France, Italy.

Quote: wks

Nobody will do such damage, and everything else is dancing with a tambourine around the fire.

If there are eggs, they’ll go.
Russia has paid hundreds of billions for Ukraine to not blackmail it with transit (building the North Stream and South Stream)
The EU will have eggs, she will throw this lousy Greek sheep.
I know them, not a dozen times I was in Greece - parasites - there is no other word, complete idlers, and in generations.

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

I know them, not a dozen times I was in Greece - parasites - there is no other word, complete idlers, and in generations.

Four years ago I was in Crete: we traveled to Santorini, so it was very difficult to pre-order a taxi from the pier in the suburbs of Rethymno to the hotel at about 1 am: almost everyone said that they didn’t work at night. Only two prices decided the matter, and it was far from immediately - many didn’t want to take them for two prices at night.

[atalef]

Quote: andj61

so it was very difficult to pre-order a taxi from the pier in the suburbs of Rethymno to the hotel at about 1 a.m.: almost everyone said that they didn’t work at night.

Ha, they hardly work after 16.00. Night made fun of

Quote: andj61

many at two prices didn’t want to take them at night.

Hellenic pride does not allow

[Pancho]

Quote: atalef

I know them, not a dozen times I was in Greece - parasites - there is no other word, complete idlers, and in generations.

But why did they go, apparently taught labor lessons? And how did these lazy people manage to rebuild their country so that they go there from all over the world to have a rest? I guess that hard workers came from Israel in overalls and climbed the cliffs in Meteora, they built monasteries there, or I'm wrong ?

[Silhouette]

Quote: Pancho

And how did these lazy people manage to rebuild their country so that they go there from all over the world to have a rest?

It's all about the climate and proximity to Europe. Geography, you see.

[Pancho]

Quote: Silhouette

It's all about the climate and proximity to Europe. Geography, you see.

What are you saying ?! And nothing that the very word "Europe" is Greek and like Greece is Europe. And they look there not at the climate, but at ancient and not only beauty.

[atalef]

Quote: Pancho

And how these lazy people managed to rebuild their country so that they go there from all over the world to rest

They were not rebuilt, but the ancient Greeks, they are just lumpen eating the grandfather's legacy.
Rebuilt - You probably laughed --- How many times have you been to Greece? And I’m 12-15 times, I won’t even mention everyone. Rebuilt - a damn fairy tale.
Between to accept tourists and to cook souffles - to rebuild - a very large distance

Quote: Pancho

And why did they go, probably taught labor lessons?

What to teach them? Energy? Weaknesses. I went to rest, close, cheap (compared with us), the meat is tasty - well, that's all

Quote: Pancho

I guess that probably hard workers came from Israel in overalls and climbed the cliffs in Meteorastroili there were monasteries, or I'm wrong

Great-grandfathers built them, still worked for modern Greeks, it has nothing to do

[Arikkhab]

wrong ... lucky the Greeks with climate and sea ... well, a little more with historical ruins ... but nobody goes to look at modern Greeks

[dauria]

parasites - no other word, complete idlers, and in generations

Surprised, of course, but I also heard MOST word for word from a familiar mechanic of the "river-sea" motor ship.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: dauria

Surprised, of course, but I also heard MOST word for word from a familiar mechanic of the "river-sea

And they heard absolutely correctly. And the crooks also - for example, the Greeks told me (with pride!) Such a story.
They have olive trees there - a national pride, and whoever owns these trees receives monetary rewards from the state. Those. the more olives you have, the more money the budget gives you. So, when some employee FINALLY wanted to check the "olive" payments for Crete - it turned out that the budget pays for such a number of trees that could be planted on an island twice as much Crete, and on such an island there should not be There are no cities, no roads and nothing at all - ALL the territory along the beaches should be planted with olives :)))

[Pancho]

Quote: atalef

A thief who will sit on the neck of Germany's hard workers. France, Italy.

And who is sitting on the neck of hard workers from the United States, do not remind? These gatherings cost the poor Americans $ 50 billion over 81,3 years. Http://www.usinfo.ru/israel.htm. Add 80 billion from Germany here and looms very not a feeble amount, given the size and population of the Promised Land.

[Arikkhab]

"for 50 years in 81,3 billion dollars" what? loans? help? gifts? in general, this is not very little - an average of 1.6 billion per year
Israel's GDP (2014) $ 305,707 billion (47th)
and Germany returns the loot

[AVA77]

It’s not beautiful to take all the Greeks like that and offend. just nasty katko.

[Pancho]

Quote: AVA77

It’s not beautiful to take all the Greeks like that and offend. just nasty katko.

And then they are surprised at the total anti-Semitism. They themselves snouted to fluff for the very tomatoes, but no, they climb with their 5 kopecks.

[Arikkhab]

"The thief that will sit on the neck of the hard workers of Germany, France, Italy" - so there was nothing to recruit any shalupony in the EU ... and, probably, the EU does not give loans for free. with 300 billion Greek loans, even 1% per year gives 3 billion ...
but the fact that the Greeks are still hard workers - yes ... and also "like" to pay taxes - a terrible thing

[barik92090]

Greece needs to offer the EU a replacement for Ukraine along with its debts and everyone will be happy.

[atalef]

Quote: jjj

Tsipras has already said that Greece will remain in the EU

What for ? What would the grandmother beg for?

[kolyhalovs]

What for ? What would the grandmother beg for?

Nuuuu ... yes. Why did they join the EU? And not only them.

[atalef]

Quote: kod3001

The train of thought is correct, and the hands of the example will be untied if the Greeks say no!

Of course, they are descendants of proud Hellenes, they all owe their right to origin.
WHO I SHOULD _ FORGive TO ALL
Let's see how the whole country turns into gopniks - and according to the results of the referendum

[Pancho]

Quote: atalef

Of course, they are descendants of proud Hellenes, they all owe their right to origin.
WHO I SHOULD _ FORGive TO ALL

The righteous indignation of burry comrades, famous hard workers, is still touched by the Holocaust compensation from Germany and they have already pumped more than $ 80 billion. Well, of course, you should not be rightfully born if you immediately write to anti-Semites. And you don’t wondering why politely you don't like you everywhere where a Jew stepped, maybe just because you are watering others with undeserved mud? Accusing the Greeks of laziness, compare what they left behind and what you are? Dozens of stone blocks, I mean The Wailing Wall. It is not necessary to look for a speck in the prying eyes when it sticks out in its log. Shalom.

[Kukish]

Quote: Pancho

from Germany compensation for the Holocaust and pumped already in the amount of more than $ 80 billion.

The damage to the Jews was hundreds of billions of dollars. This is so by the way.

Quote: Pancho

And you didn’t think about why, politely speaking, you don’t like almost everywhere where a Jew stepped

They thought that the main reasons were the reluctance of the Jews to assimilate, to accept a foreign religion and way of life and the desire of the peoples among whom the Jews lived to find a scapegoat.

[Pancho]

Quote: Kukish

The damage to the Jews was hundreds of billions of dollars. This is so by the way

In short, Germany still has to pay and pay. And Greece, the Germans did not cause damage or is it not considered?

[Kukish]

Quote: Pancho

In short, Germany still has to pay and pay. And Greece, the Germans did not cause damage or is it not considered?

Germany has long been indebted to Israel for nothing. And the fact that she pays at will.
Germany pays Israel part of the submarines - yes. But she does them, which nevertheless gives work to many people.
All the rest is German payments to Jews, not Israel and Germany’s decision.

[Arikkhab]

By the way, payments are personalized and go to specific people (the amounts are not big - they pay the dentist, ordering glasses, and so on the little things on presenting a check for the order - I have an old friend who went through a concentration camp - about 4000 shekels were returned to him in a year - about 800 euros). and began to return after 2005 when they checked the documents, but before that nothing. but such survivors of the war remained.
and in Germany, Israel orders the bulk of the ships and submarines for the Navy

[Pancho]

Quote: Kukish

the main reasons are the reluctance of the Jews to assimilate, adopt a foreign religion and way of life and the desire of the peoples among whom the Jews lived to find a scapegoat

Come on, did everyone try to convert you into their religion and impose everyday life on you? But it seems to me that the reasons lie elsewhere, namely, in saddling the financial flows of the states of residence, sucking out all the juices from them, contempt for non-Jews, i.e. "Goyim" who are not considered something criminal to deceive or kill for a Jew, and so on, too lazy to write, but you yourself know everything, the people are not stupid.

[Kukish]

Quote: Pancho

C'mon, did all people strive to convert you and impose their life on you?

It is not so much a desire for their religion, but that the Jews have their own religion and for them Jesus is not the messiah and never was.
The Jews, with all their long existence, proved to all nations that Judaism, that the Torah from which the Old and New Testaments came, were only those who distorted the original, like Islam. It infuriated many and infuriates to this day.
Prophecies about the return of Jews to their land came true. Who could have thought several hundred years ago that the Jews would return to their land? Create a country, etc.

Quote: Pancho

But it seems to me that the reasons are different, namely, in the saddle of the financial flows of the states of residence, sucking out all the juices from them, contempt for non-Jews, i.e. "Goyim" who are not considered something criminal to deceive or kill for a Jew, and so on, too lazy to write, but you yourself know everything, the people are not stupid.

And who gave the Jews saddles finances? Jews were largely limited, including in the land, and therefore, where they could and worked there. If the financial sector was open for them, they worked there. If Christians could not lend, they did it through the Jews. However, who created the demand for this? Jews? Not.

Quote: Pancho

"Goyim" who are not considered something criminal to deceive or kill for a Jew, and so on, too lazy to write, but you yourself know everything, the people are not stupid.

No need to write nonsense from all kinds of anti-Semitic books.
In any case, it is forbidden to deceive a Jew; this is a fact and it does not matter if it is goy or not.
If you are an educated person and you can think with your own head, then you can really test it using non-Semitic literature and fake books and non-existent quotes.

Just as an example (I won’t continue talking on this topic because I don’t like anti-Semitic squabbles in places where there is no place for them)

Quote: Pancho

"Goyim" who are not considered something criminal to deceive or kill for a Jew, and so on, too lazy to write, but you yourself know everything, the people are not stupid.

Let’s say the words of the best of the goyim are taken out of context and concerns wartime, when it is better to kill non-Jews in order to weaken the enemy.

To deceive a non-Jew is also an anti-Semitic nonsense invented - the Talmud clearly states - "It is forbidden to lie to a non-Jew." Yes, and the Torah says that it is forbidden to lie.

Here take for example you. You are probably educated, maybe you can think and see the big picture, but you are probably captive to stupid anti-Semitic books and other nonsense. After all, it is not the Jews who are to blame.
If you knew Hebrew, you could read the originals and stuff - you could change your mind. But your opinion was created on the basis of fake books and supposedly quotes from the Talmud, which are clogged with the Internet and which you simply are not able to check - which is what the authors expected.

[Pancho]

Quote: Kukish

maybe you can think

I hope that I am able to think (even though I am not Jewish), but you certainly know who would doubt it. Here you out of the blue technically offended me, of course you don’t think so, but in fact it is. I could certainly I’m not going to practice insulting with you, but I won’t, since you have already written me down as anti-Semites. And unfortunately, it’s hard for me to love the one who insults me, although this contradicts my religion.

Quote: Kukish

It is forbidden to deceive a Jew in any case

And the Jews, of course, sacredly perform.

Quote: Kukish

Who could have thought several hundred years ago that the Jews would return to their land?

Thanks to Stalin.

Quote: Kukish

And who gave the Jews saddles finances?

And here I completely agree with you.

Quote: Kukish

However, who created the demand for this? Jews? Not.

Yes, otherwise they would have been left without income and influence.

Quote: Kukish

captured by stupid anti-Semitic books and other nonsense. This is not the fault of the Jews.
If you knew Hebrew, you could read the originals

I am not in captivity, your originals do not cause my curiosity, I am embarrassed to notice that in the world there are many things much more interesting than your originals to spend your life on them. I will tell you a secret - the world does not revolve around you. No offense.

[Kukish]

Quote: Pancho

, since you have already written me down as anti-Semites.

I did not record you in anti-Semites. You just showed yourself a tool that helps anti-Semites when they wrote nonsense about goyim, relying not on delusional anti-Semitic articles.

Quote: Pancho

And the Jews, of course, sacredly perform.

At the same level as the Russians, just like everyone else.

Quote: Pancho

Thanks to Stalin.

Maybe thanks to him for the Jews killed and put on his orders and his people?

In general, this approach pins me. When you say to Russians that you say thank you to the United States, that thanks to their supplies and help — the USSR was able to win, at least by much less casualties — the Russians immediately — thanks to the United States? Did they really do this for us Russians? etc

As if Stalin helped the Jews out of kindness. He wanted to squeeze the United States and Britain + to make Israel his satellite.

However, do not forget what happened up to this point.
Firstly, the main decision was made in San Remo in 1922, and secondly, by the year 48, the Jews were ready to create state-states since they had created all state structures.

Quote: Pancho

Yes, otherwise they would have been left without income and influence.

I am surprised at such a high opinion of Jews who suddenly manage to bend whole nations under such a small amount.
Here I rather have the feeling that it is with these words that you humiliate the Russian people. How much people should be weak and weak, so that a couple of percent of the population can have it.
Maybe it's time to stop humiliating and admit our responsibility for the problems, and not blame others?

Quote: Pancho

I’ll tell you a secret - the world does not revolve around you. No offense.

However, you use anti-Semitic nonsense in your comments without any problems.

[Pancho]

Quote: Kukish

However, you use anti-Semitic nonsense in your comments without any problems

Everything that isn’t your way is all nonsense. I recall that in the punitive organs of the Soviet government, which the Jews actively installed, the percentage of yours was disproportionately high. And there they don’t give out gingerbread cookies. The Americans did not help, they don’t help for money, even though you are a Jew you need to know such things. What you call help is in the original Lend-Lease. So that the Jews concentrate finances in their hands it’s no secret to anyone. I don’t welcome this, but it doesn’t depend on me. Well, to some extent I respect this skill. And I don’t take responsibility for many things from Russians (although who I am), but you too should be ashamed of Jews for so much that you have no moral right to reproach others.

[avvg]

In my opinion, if Greece leaves the Eurozone or the EU, then the whole EU will fall behind it.

[Alex_Rarog]

Sprinkle nowhere fighting. A Greek with iron eggs gravitates toward Russia.

[assembly]

Yes, he does not gravitate anywhere ... he plays on the contradictions between Russia and the EU, he is trying to get the maximum benefit so that he can pull the country out of .. ... but he has eggs, unlike many ...

[atalef]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

Greek with iron eggs gravitate towards Russia

Here, so that you would have such happiness on your head - friends and allies of the Greeks
How suckers breed their patents at all levels developed.

[Pancho]

Quote: atalef

Here, so that you would have such happiness on your head - friends and allies of the Greeks

I would prefer the Greeks than the Jews.

[The Trick-22]

Quote: Pancho

I would prefer the Greeks than the Jews.

And who's stopping? Go ahead, prefer. They will be happy to share their economic model. Without leaving the trash can.

[Pancho]

Quote: Trick-22

Without leaving the trash can.

Have you ever seen anyone in garbage cans in Russia? Open your eyes wider. Or are you from Israel?

[The Trick-22]

Quote: avvg

the whole EU is falling behind it.

and this is for the best. Free from ballast and loser assets. He will return to the format of the Coal and Steel Union, where it all began. AND

Quote: Alex_Rarog

Greek with iron eggs

for these same eggs they will still be kept whether they are iron or chocolate.

[Момент]

Maybe Greece can still pull the EU ....

[biron]

wait and see.

[Kar Karych]

Yes, you don’t need to pull, why, she already pulled herself to push so many lards there and pretend that everything is fine, I am tormented by doubts but it seems to me that they are masahists :)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kosta153

The guy has eggs! Handsome Archer!

if he didn’t have them, he would be a girl, and if on the topic, he simply shifted the responsibility to the shoulders of others, he himself had a thin gut

[taram taramych]

Very democratic. Having announced the referendum, he knocked out a support, from under the feet of the opposition. Pragmatic.

[Revolver]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

shifted responsibility to others

That is, like collecting debts, squandering the loot, and then telling creditors like "We will discuss here in the family and vote democratically, we will pay debts or forgive them to creditors."
Moreover, it seems that about the same commentators on VO, who are encouraging (or perhaps it would be more correct to say "encouraging") the Greeks not to pay on loans, kick Ukraine for a similar approach to paying off debts. Quite deservedly, by the way, they kick. But why are the Greeks better than ukrov? In the same way, they took and spent more than they could ever earn in principle, and even arranged their own Maidans. Of course, the Greek Maidans looked shallow against the background of the Ukrainian ones, well, Duc Greece is a small country, and again the scope of the Slavic soul was not enough.
Yes, by the way, about Orthodox brothers - if Greece didn’t vote for EU sanctions against the Russian Federation, they wouldn’t be there, because according to the EU charter such decisions should be made unanimously. And for the bombing of Serbia, too, Greece once voted.

[4thParasinok]

Quote: Nagan

That is, like collecting debts, squandering the loot, and then telling creditors like "We will discuss here in the family and vote democratically, we will pay debts or forgive them to creditors."

these grandmas were given to the Greeks for ruining their agriculture. But at the same time they promised not to demand money back. And they did not fulfill their promises.
at the request of the EU, Greece lost so much interest in 80 olive trees, a large number of vineyards. So do not you compare them with dill.

[atalef]

Quote: 4-th Paradise

these grandmas were given to the Greeks for ruining their agriculture

Without tales come on, for such grandmothers all over the world you can destroy not only the farm but also the industry

Quote: 4-th Paradise

But at the same time they promised not to demand money back. And they did not fulfill their promises.

A reference can be? To the source of this nonsense?

Quote: 4-th Paradise

at the request of the EU, Greece lost interest so 80 olive trees, a large number of vineyards

And to this reference
How many times have you been to Greece? Here it is.

[Revolver]

Quote: 4-th Paradise

at the request of the EU, Greece lost interest so 80 olive trees

Then in America there is so much Greek olive oil?
If you look at the shelf with olive oils in an American supermarket, most of all is "Italian", although on closer examination of the small print most of these "Italians" are a mixture of oils from Turkey, Tunisia, Spain, and the same Greece. But in second place behind the "Italian" stamps are Greek ones, and here, be sure, it is truly Greek.
By the way, I don’t understand why everyone is so eager to buy Italian. Even the most authentic Italian origin does not guarantee that it will be tasty. And I didn’t see French or German olive oil, so I don’t understand why the EU had to be ordered to chop Greek olives - in order to provide Turkey, Lebanon, and Tunisia with business?

[Protopop A.]

And, can you have a link about "chopping olive trees in Greece"? In fact, it is a crime to cut down a not dried living olive there, they are under state protection like cork oaks in Portugal. Because of this, many developers had problems with building plots in the middle of which an olive tree grew.
Apro laziness of the Greeks anecdote told to me in Greece by the Greek:
Olives have ripened, a Greek comes to a tree, spreads blankets under it, sits down with a pipe, brandy, coffee frappe and bastards. The wind flies up - olives from the tree attack, the Greek will collect them and bring them home and bring them home. He is asked = Costas! And if there is no wind? - So crop failure!
By the way, I've been to Greece about 30 times ...

[Arikkhab]

"German olive oil" ??? and since when have olives grown in Germany? on the North Sea coast near Berlin?

[iConst]

Quote: Nagan

o there is a type of collecting debts, to spend the loot, and then say to creditors like "We will discuss in the family and vote democratically, we will pay debts or forgive them to creditors."
Moreover, it seems that about the same commentators on VO, who are encouraging (or perhaps it would be more correct to say "encouraging") the Greeks not to pay on loans, kick Ukraine for a similar approach to paying off debts. Quite deservedly, by the way, they kick. But why are the Greeks better than ukrov?

I completely agree with your interpretation of the current situation.

At the same time, it is clear that the desire of certain structures to "enslave" Greece with debts was not done here.
In principle, for a super-oligarchy, money is no longer so much a financial instrument as a consumable in the system of external government.

It is for this that one should "punish" such "figures" in the person of well-known financial structures.

The only right decision for Greece would be, for example, the creation of a commission to investigate the history of lending.
For example, banks, when financing, calculate the risks and if the project burns out, then the bank shares responsibility (should, at least) - incurs losses.

Well-known cool financial institutions with their tranches and loans fit into these projects - and the developers of these projects were themselves.
So responsibility should be shared.

These investigations cannot concern bonds - since this is simply a purchase of securities, essentially a commodity, without any political and economic conditions.

The investigation showed that if the money was issued under the requirement of political and social reforms, i.e. direct interference in the internal affairs of the state, the conclusions are appropriate.
Direct private investment in the economy - the real sector - should be recognized as legitimate, although it may and with some restrictions on interest - let them think before investing.

Only Tsipras will not do this.

[atalef]

Quote: Nagan

That is, like collecting debts, spending the loot, and then telling creditors like "We will discuss in the family here and vote democratically, will we pay off debts or forgive them to creditors

But what about people in ecstasy from happiness, and not only in Greece

Quote: Nagan

Moreover, it seems that about the same commentators on VO, who are encouraging (or perhaps it would be more correct to say "encouraging") the Greeks not to pay on loans, kick Ukraine for a similar approach to paying off debts

Because the Greeks owe them , and Ukrainians - to us (in the sense of the Russians)

Quote: Nagan

Of course, the Greek Maidan looked fine against the background of the Ukrainian, well, Duc Greece is a small country, and again, the scope of the Slavic soul was not enough.

Come on, from the point of view of collecting debts, where the Slavic soul before the Greek
Debt is more than Ukraine

Quote: Nagan

Yes, by the way, about Orthodox brothers - if Greece didn’t vote for EU sanctions against the Russian Federation, they wouldn’t be there, because according to the EU charter such decisions should be made unanimously. And for the bombing of Serbia, too, Greece once voted.

Well, everything is according to the rules - I wanted to eat grandmothers, and really, but I didn’t work
Give a lot, otherwise we are Greeks we all owe

[Arikkhab]

about "they took and spent more than in principle they can ever earn" is not very correct - the GDP of Greece is about 300 billion, that is, in theory, they could pay off over time, but I don't want to tighten their belts

[captain]

You shouldn’t be so enthusiastic about Mr. Tsipros, look at Lukoshenko and at our dances with Ukraine, maybe this will remind us of something?

[simara]

Quote: Kosta153

The guy has eggs! Handsome Archer!

eggs can tear ... many examples ... another thing is that the referendum will definitely be against saving, so the EU is already feverishly thinking what to do after the referendum.
BUT! because there is another option! to prevent a referendum), for example, to organize a maidan, riots like Egypt, aggravate shelf issues with the Turks ... fortunately, the Turks right now pose as the navel of the earth on which all the geopolitical interests of all planet earth came together ... and you can push the Turks. ..in general, the guy is certainly peppy but romantic ... but they don’t live such long (

[iConst]

Quote: Simara

BUT! because there is another option! to prevent a referendum), for example, to arrange a Maidan, riots like Egypt,

No time.
And then - color revolutions - these are creations of pendocs, that before the problems of the geysoyuz, then it’s a damn for them.

[simara]

I agree, there is no time ... just this annoying ... here you can expect anything. Recall Zhvania and carbon monoxide poisoning ... you can distract the Greeks with ISIS attacks ... for example, arrange a massacre in a tourist area ... now I'm sitting and waiting to be decided whether or not

[rpek32]

And today, on the website of Military Review, news of politics and economics

[The Trick-22]

Quote: Kosta153

Guy has eggs

and what size eggs do you need to do blackmail?

[siberalt]

The fate of the EU will depend on the referendum. A line has already been formed there for refusing reform and obtaining irrevocable loans. Euro pyramid collapse.

[dmi.pris1]

That's right, handsome! And then Jean Juncker, as a kid, patted his head of state .... This could have happened with the drunkard Borka, but not here .. And with present-day Russia, all this gay-party party is afraid to come to the Kremlin at all. .If you invite of course ..

Quote: Kosta153

The guy has eggs! Handsome Archer!

[Observer2014]

But we don't need to scratch here about the "poor" Greeks! In the 90s, all the Greeks rushed to Greece (from Russia) or from the former USSR. They climbed into Europe, got the entire social package!, And in order to pay off his loans they pondered. Now ah, ah, there is nothing to pay loans! Now I will pay off! In Sochi, the roofs of their houses are molded in the color of the Greek flag, the patriots of Hellas. In cars they pull their flags. What? life in Greece is not ice? Everyone now remembered about their Russian roots with their Caudles ?! Yes, the Greeks are Euro-khokhols, in fact, they live like a weed and do not care about where to live. If only to fill their belly more satisfyingly. There is no help! Let them eat their olives, until all ... ki. And the debts need to be repaid. And then, as a heel to the chest to beat and shout that we are proud Greeks in the 90s and skedaddle from Russia for "social protection", so the first rushed. In Russia, raise their taxes in three let them pay for their national self-consciousness. like a straight boom of some kind of moving back to the "homeland". Now another year or two and the Jews will remember that they are Russian.

[Bronik]

So the President of the United States seemed to understand why he needed eggs. He tried it, he liked it and he allowed the whole of America.

[STOP VOINE 2014]

Carey said that we will "advise, recommend" to the whole world ...
Whose sensations are their common?

[sir_obs]

If he had eggs, then he would have made decisions and responsibility for him. And so again they all blame on the people, so that later they can play it off, they themselves accepted.

[STOP VOINE 2014]

Year 2016- Saakashvili continues his "prison" .., reads fairy tales to the deputies of Greece, the Greeks are absolutely in solidarity with the Georgians and the citizens of Odessa declare to him that he is a lie and start another criminal case against him ... retreating from Greece, taking a ticket on a yacht in an "unknown direction", "Ostap Bender" stated that electricity in Armenia can be completely free if .....

[atalef]

Quote: Kosta153

The guy has eggs! Handsome Archer!

Exactly the same PERSONNELS collected debts from the USSR / Russia, and then did not repay.
What are you rejoicing for, the ushlepok Greeks? Which divorced hard workers of Germany, Italy, France, etc. shopping mall. the money that they ate, walked, swelled - this is what they pulled out of the EU budget - telling tales and presenting false data - collecting debts of 350 billion. per 10 million inhabitants. Think about these amounts.
DEBTS NEED TO PAY !!!!!
If anyone doubts this, then he himself will be in the same situation.
Today such a * referendum * on debts will be held by Greece
tomorrow --Ukraine ---- will you also be happy?
Today they threw the EU, tomorrow they will throw any other and they may turn out to be you.
IMHO

[Krasmash]

Quote: atalef

What are you rejoicing for, the ushlepok Greeks?

Wow, atalefff. The Greeks are normal guys, not like these half-funded Catholics are Western Europeans.

[atalef]

Quote: Krasmash

.Greeks normal boys

Gopnik

Quote: Krasmash

not like these semi-funded Catholics Western Europeans

Of course, only these Catholics smack and feed normal boys

Quote: Krasmash

Let the elins tear them and bet on money

Next you

Quote: Krasmash

.Our fool from the country's leadership would do the same, they had no price.

The same murmur

[Krasmash]

Quote: atalef

Gopnik

You do not confuse with the Arabs

Quote: atalef

Of course, only these Catholics smack and feed normal boys

Fed so that the southerners from the European Union want to dump.

Quote: atalef

Next you

It scares me too, Putin MAY lave to pour.

Quote: atalef

The same murmur

Well, we have no current For example, in one of the democracies, armed thugs scare civilians to the shreds.

[Starik72]

Atalef. The Greeks are exactly the same gopnik as the Israelis. And how much do you owe to an ordinary American worker ???

[atalef]

Quote: Starik72

Atalef. The Greeks are exactly the same gopniks as the Israelis. And how much do you owe to an ordinary American worker

External debt
Israel - 42% of GDP
Belarus - 45% of GDP (how much do you owe there and to whom?), But we, unlike you, have a credit rating

set Israel's credit rating at A with a stable outlook

The international rating agency Standard & Poor's has affirmed the long-term sovereign credit rating of Belarus at "B-" with a stable outlook

, and not at the garbage level - sorry
Russia - 31% of GDP
we apparently owe more than Russia, but less than Belarus
http://svspb.net/danmark/vneshnij-dolg-stran.php

[Krasmash]

Quote: atalef

we apparently owe more than Russia, but less than Belarus

Very strange, usually the Jews scream, all owe them.

[padded jacket]

Quote: atalef

External debt
Israel - 42% of GDP

The link you gave gives data on:
Israel External Debt
III quarter 2013
And here is what other links give:

The national debt of the state of Israel in 2014 amounted to 715,8 billion shekels.
The Israeli Ministry of Finance calculates in 2014 the ratio of public debt to GDP as 67,1%.
http://il24.ru/israel/896-gosudarstvennyy-dolg-gosudarstva-izrail-v-2014-godu.ht
ml
Another link:
Government debt of Israel,% of GDP
2012 66.9
2013 66.5
2014 67.4
http://www.ereport.ru/stat.php?count=israel&razdel=country&table=pdecia
Looks like you're atalef doing your usual "lying" again
And the fact that Greece will leave the EU or "siphon" money out of it only for the benefit of our country, ideally if the EU "crumbles".

[Arikkhab]

Israel's GDP (2014) 305,707 billion (from Wikipedia)
Israel's external debt (2013) according to Wikipedia is 96 billion, which cannot be "67.1% of GDP" - simple arithmetic (about 30% comes out)
and do not confuse government debt and external debt - not exactly the same thing, external debt is only part of the public debt. and not all external debt is provided by the state - part of the external debt is the debt of private companies. in 2013, the ratio of public debt to GDP was a record low 66,1%. In the period from 2006 to 2013, the ratio of public debt to GDP decreased by a total of 13,9%. Israeli government securities are placed on the domestic market and do not bid on exchanges abroad.

[Arikkhab]

By the way, in Israel, the state debt takes into account, for example, state debt for pensions and social benefits (which are understandable to have no external relation to the external debt)

[Arikkhab]

I must add that Israel also owes a lot - the country is the creditor (as opposed to the popular belief that "Israel lives on US money")

[Pancho]

Quote: Starik72

. And how much do you owe to an ordinary American hard worker ???

81.3 billion dollars.

[jovanni]

Undoubtedly! And they will be useful to him when Geyropa arranges a boil in Athens. By the way, what is the Greek word for "Maidan"?

[Grabberxnumx]

Tsipras is young and hot! But! He met with GDP and we did not see the results of no statements on the meeting. Tsipras is too sure, he will read out, he has steel in testicles and an ace in his sleeve ..

[Kasym]

Again everyone made fun. It's not that the Greeks are parasites or not. And on the issue of preserving the eurozone, the question of the influence of the West in Europe. Greeks win economically if they exit. At least agricultural products will gain access to the CU. Gazprom can build gas infrastructure (Euro-energy package does not work) and the Greeks will receive for transit (that Gazprom can reach the final consumer in Greece). If Greece has an economic leap, then others will want to. The influence of Germany and the United States in Europe will begin to decline. Dissatisfied, especially after the announcement of GDP on the year of the embargo, is enough. There are Italians and Spaniards, etc. .. China can be attracted by the Silk Road. And then the EU will not insert a stick. So the Greeks will find something to earn. Hunger is not an aunt. And we can’t see those lazy people anymore - there will be no time. The course of drachma will make real estate profitable for tourists, and its construction.
We will wait for the choice of the Greeks themselves.

[Russian]

It would be better if he tore off his eggs, because they do not use them anyway!

[vasiliysxx]

The master wakes up in the morning and calls the batman:
- Gerasim!
“What do you want, master?”
- Take that cat over there ...
- He took it, master!
- Now grab him by the balls and spin harder!
Gerasim begins to twist the cat's eggs, he breaks out, yells, scratches, bites ... Finally, escaping, he runs away. Barin looks thoughtfully at the scratched, bloodied batman:
- M-da-ah, Gerasim ... Cats don’t like you, ...

[Bronik]

opposition forces have already announced that they will seek the resignation of the current government of Alexis Tsipras.

Or Brussels will help arrange an orange Maidan. Experience is available.

[ListenFather2]

Please specify And for what kind of soft spot did Tsipras take Brussels? Where you don’t throw it - everywhere Zh.pa

[Kos_kalinki9]

Well, the Greeks will go to tighten their belts. Well, they will give them 7 lard candy wrappers. And is this enough for a long time? A year, two and all over again. Debts are not written off. Only the rope is tightened around the neck. Think the Greeks, think.

[Armax]

Quote: Kos_kalinki9

... think the Greeks, think.

What to think, they’ve come up with already. It’s necessary to ruin the EU, and individually, their own opinions will be thinned out.
As our "unforgettable" Michal Sergeich says: "... the main thing is to start, then deepen and expand!"

[Kos_kalinki9]

Quote: ArMax

Quote: Kos_kalinki9

... think the Greeks, think.

What to think, they’ve come up with already. It’s necessary to ruin the EU, and individually, their own opinions will be thinned out.
As our "unforgettable" Michal Sergeich says: "... the main thing is to start, then deepen and expand!"

Toko does not need about consensus, it makes you sick.

[Thunderbolt]

Greece needs money and only Europe can give it (Germany is involved here ...). All the tricks of Tsimpras look like prostitution, excuse me)

[VP]

Extremely strong move. And extraordinary.

[Altona]

With the withdrawal of Greece from the EU, the question of NATO membership will arise ... NATO consists of EU members ...

[Volodin]

Quote: Altona

NATO is composed of EU members ..

Well, not exactly. Norway, Albania, Iceland and Turkey are not members of the EU (this is in Europe), but they are in NATO.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Volodin

Norway and Turkey are not EU members

Canada

[boa constrictor]

Quote: Altona

With the withdrawal of Greece from the EU, the question of NATO membership will arise ... NATO consists of EU members ...

Quote: Volodin

Quote: Altona

NATO is composed of EU members ..

Well, not exactly. Norway, Albania, Iceland and Turkey are not members of the EU (this is in Europe), but they are in NATO.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Volodin

Norway and Turkey are not EU members

Canada

It is from the members and consists !! Because these MEMBERS are MEMBERS and think !!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: boa constrictor

that these MEMBERS are MEMBERS and think !!

judging by this news think different
The US Supreme Court on Friday June 26 decided to officially legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country. According to the court ruling, from now on refusing to marry such a couple would be a violation of constitutional law.

[The Trick-22]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

judging by this news think different

for sure. And the Greeks are reminded of Hellenic homotraditions ...

[Altona]

Quote: Volodin

Well, not exactly. Norway, Albania, Iceland and Turkey are not members of the EU (this is in Europe), but they are in NATO.

---------------------------
A minus necessarily? For other reasons, the Greeks can not leave NATO? You do not like to read contexts ... The referendum also resolves the issue of NATO membership ...

[unsinkable]

NATO consists of an obscene synonym for the word member.

[Revolver]

Quote: Altona

With the exit of Greece from the EU, the question of NATO membership will be raised

Do not get up. The Greeks will not want to remain alone against Turkey, a member of NATO. And it seems like it is not envisaged to expel a country from NATO either.

[Altona]

Quote: Nagan

Do not get up. The Greeks will not want to remain alone against Turkey, a member of NATO. And it seems like it is not envisaged to expel a country from NATO either.

--------------------------
This is generally a legal vinaigrette ... Turkey and Greece are in NATO ... Countries that have a bunch of claims to each other ... And what does NATO give to Greece and Turkey in the event of a mutual war? Supreme arbiter in the form of the USA with its universal pointers?

[Revolver]

Quote: Altona

.Turkey and Greece in NATO ... Countries with a bunch of claims to each other ...

That is why they were admitted to NATO at the same time. NATO really needed bases in Turkey near the border of the USSR, and Greek ports on the Mediterranean and in the Adriatic, but at the same time, the Greek-Turkish war that any of them would have unleashed, having been frustrated by the awareness of the strength of NATO behind it, was not needed.

Quote: Altona

And what does NATO give Greece and Turkey in the event of a mutual war? Supreme arbiter in the form of the USA with its universal pointers?

Without these signs they would have long fought among themselves. And so a couple of times a little before the hot did not come.

[narval20]

The beginning of the end for the EU?
Good luck!

[Altona]

Quote: narval20

The beginning of the end for the EU?

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They will carry out rebranding, clean up something in the Charter ... The nomenclature will not allow itself to be killed ...

[Million]

Let's see how it all ends

[YGV-97219]

Now they will start picking dirt or worse!

[Gani]

he fights off as best he can, and he came up great with a referendum: ask the population for a patent, since the time for Greece is such that the worse the worse.
they will accept the conditions and pensions will fall taxes will grow, and the economy will become even worse, the ratio of public debt to GDP is even more frightening and there is no light at the end of the tunnel - and therefore Tsiprasp is a political corpse;
instead of accepting - then default and exit from the EU and there they will try (in the EU) so that life would not seem to the Greeks to be honey - they will arrange a specific flogging specific and with unrest and poverty, and with blood, and so on, so that others would not be accustomed to - hence Tsipras- again a corpse and not a fact that political.
And so the referendum is a move by the horse: as the people say so, the trump card will be against Europe as well - disobedient politicians are one thing, another opinion of the People

[Monster_Fat]

He did not come up with a "referendum". This "trick" has already been "thrown out" by Iceland, having convened a referendum on the "debts" and sent nafui all the "creditors". The "creditors" shrieked at first, scared them with "sanctions", and Iceland take and withdraw your application for joining the EU, ... that's when the "creditors" like "calmed down", but they scare Iceland that they won't "get it" , so skating "....

[Aleksander]

If the Greeks speak out for continuing the course on "tightening the belts", then Brussels will allocate the next aid package promised to Athens in the amount of 7,2 billion euros.

And I already know the answer to this question in a referendum!

[Vadim Zhivov]

Well done will be Greeks if this homosexual brawl breaks up ...

[slizhov]

Well done guy ...
followed by Italy and Spain ...

[Grbear]

Some sort of "muddy" position of Greece ...

For 24 years Greece was satisfied with the situation in the EU, although the economy was developing neither shaky nor shaky, and even then, in a direction beneficial for the EU. The Greeks themselves forgot how to make decisions (read - work). And where did the debt come from? means "ate" without earning.

Today they declare - either a referendum for / against tightening the belts, then Greece will not leave the EU. But the referendum does not solve the problems of compressing social programs and repaying debts (albeit restructured ones). Clamp the people still have to. An increase in taxes on the rich will not save the situation, but it will certainly aggravate.

Leaving the EU has not only a political aspect (albeit an important one). The economy will work hard: the industry will not receive loans (unless China "sticks", because Russia will soon have no time for ...); capital will "flow"; Turks will begin to stir, and the habit of living beyond their means will play a role in the general population.

Greece today is not a fighter for independence. She is a blackmailer. This is not England, which was immediately "cut off" by half its contribution to EU funds last year. Greece will simply be thrown into the trash, followed by a "show flogging" if it "squeezes." And if it doesn't "squeeze", then it will get the IMF "stranglehold".

A bird in bitumen - can tweet and flap its wings, but fly - no.

[lockout]

Well, you can sell the country, for many decades, make citizens live in poverty, working to service debt. A chic prospect ... Little Greece should pack up and teach a lesson to international scammers!

[mikh-korsakov]

What a problem. Flies to Moscow. He will tell everyone there how he hates sanctions. At the same time, Greek peaches will try to screw Putin. After that, even the stingy old woman Merkel will surrender and dump the dough, they say, just do not be capricious.

[not Russian]

For the common sense prevailing among the Greeks.

[demo]

When the EU was created (by the way, in the image of the USSR), the task was set as follows:
"Provide new markets for Old Europe".
Point.
After the accession to the union of new Young Europeans (Hungary, Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Greece, etc.), they began a systematic, destruction of those industries that they were proud of before. And who fed them.
But since the EU is a carrot for a donkey on a rope in front of the nose, the result was not long in coming.
The country, previously self-sufficient, suddenly stopped feeding itself and was forced to turn to Brussels for help.
And sovereignty must be given for help. Sometimes all.
So the fairy tale ended.
And the exit from the EU, at first, will not give anything.
Industry profiled.
And again, you need money to restore.
And where to get it?
Money knows where.
Yes, who will.

[Kopli]

Quote: demo

When the EU was created (by the way, in the image of the USSR), the task was set as follows:
"Provide new markets for Old Europe".
Point.
After the accession to the union of new Young Europeans (Hungary, Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Greece, etc.), they began a systematic, destruction of those industries that they were proud of before. And who fed them.
But since the EU is a carrot for a donkey on a rope in front of the nose, the result was not long in coming.
The country, previously self-sufficient, suddenly stopped feeding itself and was forced to turn to Brussels for help.
And sovereignty must be given for help. Sometimes all.
So the fairy tale ended.
And the exit from the EU, at first, will not give anything.
Industry profiled.
And again, you need money to restore.
And where to get it?
Money knows where.
Yes, who will.

you Greece in the Young Europeans recorded ??? she has been in the EU since 1981 !!! and secondly, the Greeks never had a powerful industry capable of "feeding" the country.

[unsinkable]

Tsipras rushes between the EU and Russia, as Yanukovych once did. Everyone knows what came of it. Greece needs to make an unambiguous decision. Or with us or with the EU. But when choosing any solution, you will have to tighten the belt.

[The Trick-22]

Quote: unsinkable

Tsipras rushes between the EU and Russia

yes he does not rush, calm down. How can Russia help him? Will you pay a fine for unselected gas according to ToP? Well, so we agreed, sort of. What else? To outbid debts?

[Stinger]

From the clutches of bankers the Greeks did not escape. They have a debt collector - NATO.

[pvv113]

such a figure at the head of Greece in the first place does not suit Brussels

Alexis Tsipras does not fit the gayropic standards, does not fit into their plans

[The Trick-22]

Quote: pvv113

Alexis Tsipras does not fit the gayropic standards, does not fit into their plans

Well, yes, I just announced a referendum: I took off my responsibility without losing my rating, but how it turns there - like, you’re to blame yourself, it was your decision, the Greeks. In Greece, panic, lines at ATMs and gas stations, and Tsipras -

Quote: Kosta153

Handsome man!

?

[provincial]

What have you hung your ears, Greece will never leave the EU. She will not want to be a outcast. There will be sanctions and so on and so forth.

[4round]

Tsipras not only takes the EU for a soft spot, he creates a precedent, thanks to which, incredibly "caring", impersonal, international creditors may be forced to negotiate not with the puppet government, but directly with the people.

[The Trick-22]

Quote: 4round

international lenders will be forced to negotiate .... directly with the people.

some nonsense. How is that?

Quote: 4round

he sets a precedent

yeah, the hohls were on their guard. They have long suspected that kidalovo is good, but here

Quote: 4round

precedent

Madame Yaresko, by the way, is already practicing "appeals to the people", being neither president nor prime minister. The dynamo is spinning, and you are applauding. Continue.

[fa2998]

Quote: Kosta153

The guy has eggs! Handsome Archer!

Of course, in Russia, on this site, many (including myself) sympathize, worry, and are in solidarity with Orthodox Greece. But on the other hand, see HOW CAN I FIND LOANS in a rather small country? Okay, Russia in the 90's got a lot of pr. 140 billion, but paid, thanks to natural resources. But Greece, thought to give oranges and olives? After all, the debt of Greece is several times more than the former debt of Russia. There is still the moral fault of the Greek leadership, to be popular introduced early retirement, assigned large pensions, etc. WHAT THE GERMAN TIRES LESS THAN, and retires later. And the amount of the pension, as a percentage (of income), is much less.

[VP]

And what for shoved her loans?
Then Greece was afraid of default, but now not?
Greece would deflate in those years, and now there would be no golovnyakov either from the EU or from Greece itself, the country would have long passed the bottom of the pit and climbed up.
And now it’s not the pit that is writhing, but the pit. In which the EU itself will fall.
New loans will not save Greece, they will increase the debt burden and nothing more.
A referendum is an indulgence to the government to the shock of which can still not be avoided.

[The Trick-22]

Quote: VP

Greece would deflate in those years, and now there would be no golovnyakov either from the EU or from Greece itself, the country would have long passed the bottom of the pit and climbed up.

Are you sure about that? What about "bottom" and "up"?

[VP]

Yes. Over the years, they would have passed the bottom and got rid of a substantial part of the debts available at that time.
Default is always a restructuring of the economy.
Instead, the country has completely unrealistic debts to pay off with which no austerity measures will help.

[The Trick-22]

Quote: VP

Default is always a restructuring of the economy.

in relation to Greece? I doubt it very much. The first thing the Greeks who flew out of the euro zone would be to intensely print their drachmas, which are pieces of paper like that, and even devalue them altogether. Well, of course, the Germans would begin to harass the reparations and crawl around the world in search of a sponsor. And one xen would put the state assets under the hammer.

[VP]

All this would be, you are right.
But on top of that, a freebie would end.
Which greatly corrupted them. And I would have to work and not parasitize on tourists.
Correction would have happened anyway. Just because people would finally start doing business.
Have you been to Greece? Workers, their mother ...

[The Trick-22]

Quote: VP

And I would have to work and not parasitize on tourists.

three times haha. These

Quote: VP

Workers, their mother ...

would crawl across Europe like cockroaches. Moreover, it is no secret that Greece is the immigrant gateway to Europe. And if now membership in the EEC obliges at least to formal corporatism, then under the ex-EEC scenario the Greeks will have no moral obligations to the “barbarians”, that is, to the rest of Europe.

[Arikkhab]

under the ex-EEC scenario, the Greeks will have a border with Europe ... and customs at the border ... and border guards

[Arikkhab]

it’s profitable to shove loans - interest drops on them ... and good

[Edmon dantes]

The main thing here is that Russia would not get involved in fools with fools at the expense of pensioners. And so .... figure it out for yourself.

[The Trick-22]

If Greece does not agree to these “reforms”, then the European Commission, IMF and ECB will default on the Greeks. However, this horror story does not particularly scare Athens, since in the event of default in Greece there may be an additional impetus for the country's exit from the eurozone, and therefore a threat to the entire European economy

what an amusement author. The Greeks, therefore, are not afraid of default. And the exit of Greece from the EU is the collapse of the EU economy. Why were the Greeks in the ass with such and such potential, and not among the "locomotives"?

[old pioneer]

I wanted to write that the Greeks would not be envied in this situation, but I thought that the dream of any Russian citizen to receive a pension of 90 percent of his earnings, as in Greece, is impossible. Envy (white) remains, but I WISH Greece to defend its position.

[Kopli]

want a little, you need help, money! here the Greeks have an average pension of about 500 euros, the Russians have about 80, Russia should help! Greece ???

[grinow.ivan]

the worse in the EU the more they will be more loyal to us

[kartalovkolya]

Something I do not understand: where is this Tsipras and where is this "soft spot" in the EU ?! Probably wanted to pull the European Union by the udder, and from Russia it can get something! But there is a good proverb, as B. Clinton interpreted it, "You will not catch a single hare after two hares" (this is not my slip of the tongue, but this is what the "great" B. Clinton saxophonist, but also the president of the United States said)! All hope is for the common sense of the Greek people, because you borrow someone else's money, and give yours, and even with huge interest!

[The Trick-22]

Quote: kartalovkolya

All hope for the common sense of the Greek people,

what, nafig, "common sense"? Where has he been before? And was there any? When did they sniff left-wing economic statistics? Or were they playing with a budget? When did the national debt go beyond 170% of GDP? Do not be ridiculous, now they will start selling state assets. Look, the port of Piraeus is already being sold to the Chinese. And now the "fish plate", the red price of which is 10 euros for 45 tourists are snatched - "money is needed ...".
They’re not going anywhere, they’ll go under the hammer.

[am808s]

Quote: captain

You shouldn’t be so enthusiastic about Mr. Tsipros, look at Lukoshenko and at our dances with Ukraine, maybe this will remind us of something?

Of course, one to one, but our reaction is already the result of penetration of Western-double standards towards us. We are learning so to speak.

[fa2998]

Quote: VP

And what for shoved her loans?

Have you got a lot of loans for VPA? Loans are TAKING! And you have to think about how to pay back! And the interest grows. $ 300 billion - every Greek owes $ 30000, with such debts only through default.

[VP]

Right. They take it.
But you need someone who will give.
Moreover, in a situation in which there is no hope that those who take these debts will be able to repay.
Do you think that creditors could expect Greece to receive money?
Why?
Yes, no one was counting on this, why laugh something.
They just decided to postpone the problem, considering that the world economy will have time to move away from Karachun 2008 by the second wave of the Greek crisis.

[Mountain shooter]

Not everything is clear with Greek loans. On the one hand, having issued inflated bonds, they were building a pure "MMM" with no chance of getting out. On the other hand, these bonds with a ba-a-a-lshy discount were bought by banks (mostly German) and, by the way, showed an increase in their capitalization! And now the EU (the central bank) has bought up part of these bonds (I don’t know how many, but probably a lot), exchanging them for real money. And Greece is a shame. They didn’t make money on these bonds. And the EU's industry was ruined for her, shipbuilding - completely. In short, everyone has fluff on their stigmas, the EU, the Germans, and the Greeks. And they make you know who the extreme. Well, who will like it? The Greeks built a pyramid in front of everyone, and all eyes were averted, since there were those who did not make money on it (not the Greeks).

[Bronik]

Off-topic question: Why was my post at 9-00 below 11. This is far from the first case, I consider it dishonorable.

[VP]

Possible above were those that went as answers to earlier ones, no?

[Free wind]

It is interesting to read comments. At least for general development, you read what is happening in the world. you all know about gameparades, about damned Americans and so on. And the fact that the article is a lie, you don’t even want to think. And in Brussels, Greece said, bring the fuck with the EU, enough to eat our money. But the Greeks do not want this, and delay their departure from the EU as they can. So this chicks could take a soft spot only by mouth. And pensions were demanded to reduce to officials, military, police. And also reduce officials and their salaries ......

[The Trick-22]

Quote: Free Wind

And in Brussels, Greece said, bring the fuck with the EU, enough to eat our money. But the Greeks do not want this, and delay their departure from the EU as they can.

Sh.E. noted: "Save Europe - drown the Greek!"

[Comments]

Quote: wks

Quote: jjj

Tsipras has already said that Greece will remain in the EU

The point is not what Tsipras said or did not say, and not even what the people will say in the referendum, and whether this referendum will take place at all. The fact is that in the event of Greece’s withdrawal from the EU, losses will amount to at least 1 trillion EUR. The EU cannot stand it. Therefore, everything is predetermined. Nobody will do such damage, and everything else is dancing with a tambourine around the fire.

Totally agree

[hyperion121]

An extra example of the fact that all these IMFs and other international lenders is a cancerous tumor on the body of mankind, subject to surgical and chemoradiotherapy.
If you take a loan, then interest-free, well, or at least not more than 3%, provided with real material values, and not with green cut paper. And there must be strict supervision over how the money is spent, only in the interests of the national economy. For corruption execution. After all, we also liked to take loans.

[The Trick-22]

Quote: giperion121

If you take a loan, then interest-free, well, or at least not more than 3%, secured by real material values

harshly. And where are such creditors, interest-free?

Quote: giperion121

And there must be strict supervision over how the money is spent, only in the interests of the national economy.

It's funny. A person who has taken a consumer loan a couple of times can confidently say: "Now I know everything about the loan capital!" ??

[Victor-M]

Tsipras well done, the people should decide such questions, and the people will answer.

[arane]

Quote: bronik

So the President of the United States seemed to understand why he needed eggs. He tried it, he liked it and he allowed the whole of America.

Why black pedku eggs? What was what to twist ....

[kiparis]

I am tormented by vague doubts. I am afraid to pull the Greeks out of this pit will be Russia. That is. we are with you! But you have to pay off your debts! Before you take out a loan, think hard, however, you have to! And so, take it, please give it kindly.

[BAIKAL03]

He didn’t take it, but those who now want to overthrow him .......

[BAIKAL03]

Quote: Kosta153

The guy has eggs! Handsome Archer!

And not just eggs, but steel EGGs. Russia definitely needs to help Greece financially, I think it will be right.

[atalef]

Quote: BAIKAL03

Russia definitely needs to help Greece financially, I think it will be right.

I am the first FOR (better personally help).
Help the Greeks

[The Trick-22]

Quote: atalef

I am the first FOR (better personally help).
Help the Greeks

[The Trick-22]

Quote: BAIKAL03

Quote: Kosta153

The guy has eggs! Handsome Archer!

And not just eggs, but steel EGGs. Russia definitely needs to help Greece financially, I think it will be right.

Lord, what kind of cretinism ... Let's "help financially" scammers, losers and idlers?
what the hell These gigolos are what we need.
Go play a street lottery, maybe let it go ...

[colonel manuch]

It is not strange to us that everything that happens in Greece (read the EU troubles) is profitable for us, economists should study such cases and shake their heads, only the trouble is not to Greece, we need to nod now, but look at our pockets, the outflow of capital from Russia this year It will be huge, only our liberal government does not seem to see anything of this. Yes, and the gross grain harvest will be very short compared to last year and the increase in prices for mineral fertilizers. That's what you need to think about now.

[VP]

Well, that’s all, the erogroup refused to wait a week before the referendum.
And Deiselblum said that further negotiations for help are impossible.
It seems that greksit has become a fact.

[Kukish]

I do not understand what kind of URA patriotism is.
Like, if someone bends the United States or Europe automatically shouting cheers?
It's the other way around ...
Think a little bit.
After the crisis of 2008, Greece received 300 billion (!!!) euro loans from the EU, so that the country does not fall apart.
The EU gave a loan to help. This assistance is not free, and all the more so concessions were made to it as an EU member. But Greece did not want to tighten their belts ...
Greece, if you look at how they lived there, lived on a grand scale, worked a little, the social sphere is at a high level. A country that cannot pull such loans and the EU absolutely correctly demanded that Greece start saving, cut social programs and so on, since EU loans are not eternal and sit on the neck of Germany and other countries and beg for loans forever - this is clearly not right.

And then the prime minister comes and actually says either default or an agreement with the EU. This is really what he says and sends people to a referendum. What to choose from? Not out of anything. In Greece, 300 billion loans that they profiled.

Therefore, the step of this prime minister is ordinary cowardice - throwing an unpopular decision on the shoulders of the people (he came to power with shouts against the EU, but when he received power he immediately understood what and how). Greece has no way out - hundreds of billions of debts and want to live a grand life. This does not happen.

Therefore, writing that he has eggs and other things is wrong. He has no eggs. He is a coward who threw the people of Greece on an understandable choice - to accept the EU conditions so that the country does not cease to exist. There is no way out.


And do not draw parallels with Ukraine, which the EU put on a credit needle with promises of a better life. Greece was already in the EU, enjoyed all the advantages of the EU, but lived on a large scale and ate too much and worked too little.

[Altona]

So in the end I still RIGHT ...

[VP]

Quote: Kukish

After the crisis of 2008, Greece received 300 billion (!!!) euro loans from the EU, so that the country does not fall apart

A bit wrong. So that in the midst of the crisis, banks lending to Greece would not fall apart. Mostly German. There was no altruism there.

Quote: Kukish

But Greece did not want to tighten their belts ..

What was obvious at the time of issuing loans and what no one was counting on.
They didn’t save Greece, they saved themselves.

Quote: Kukish

In Greece, 300 billion loans that they profiled.

Obviously. But for some reason, it began to excite everyone only when the Eurocentrobank was able to break through the QE program. I suspect that most of the printed money will go for the redemption of Greek debts from European banks.
And before that, no one was openly worried, before that they only "expressed concern."
Profukal did not come prime minister. He only said the obvious to everyone - Greece would not be able to give SUCH money. And even serving it is hard.

Quote: Kukish

Therefore, the step of this prime minister is ordinary cowardice - to throw on the shoulders of the people an unpopular decision

Just not. In fact, not only the issue of debts is being solved, but also the issue of staying in the EU. Agree that such things should not be solved cabinet.

Quote: Kukish

He’s a coward who threw the people of Greece on an understandable choice - accept the terms of the EU

If he was a coward, he would agree with the creditors and serve his term whining at the nasty creditors offending Greece and sticking out "I tried, unlike others."

[atalef]

Quote: VP

A bit wrong. So that in the midst of the crisis, banks lending to Greece would not fall apart. Mostly German. There was no altruism there.

Sorry you are wrong, German banks lending to Greece - this is not the reason, the reason is in Greece, which has been collecting these loans since the late 90s and gaining and gaining. I remember my first visit to Greece - 1995.
Gouged country of the 3rd world, mess, dirt (which in general has not changed) - low prices, siesta and the understanding that you are in a beautiful developing country of the 3rd world
But after . EU, the prices in drams turned into euros, and it began to rain.
The mess remained, the dirt remained - forgotten how to work completely

Quote: VP

What was obvious at the time of issuing loans and what no one was counting on.
They didn’t save Greece, they saved themselves.

Yes, sometimes it is necessary to support the bankrupt, with the hope of his prudence and decency
But the Greeks - this is not something, they have collected more money, but neither prudence nor decency nor the desire to work appeared

Quote: VP

Greece will not be able to give SUCH money. And even serving it is hard.

Default - and no one will help her, after such a long string of lies - who will believe her.
Of course there’s a little chance, but I would be in the EU’s place - fuck the beach, the filthy broom. And let the proud Greeks sell for cheap (who will buy them for expensive)

Quote: VP

Just not. In fact, not only the issue of debts is being solved, but also the issue of staying in the EU. Agree that such things should not be solved cabinet.

I agree, only the question should be posed specifically - refusal to pay debts is a way out of the EU

Quote: VP

If there was a coward - I would agree with creditors

No, I would be responsible - I would think about the people of Greece and make decisions (for this I was chosen), and to give decisions to the * wisdom of the crowd * is to hide from responsibility

Quote: VP

"I tried, unlike others."

He did not try. this populist government was initially incapable of making any decisions. and now it is visible. Referendum - ok, eat your lentils the Greeks

[VP]

Quote: atalef

Sorry, you’re wrong, German banks lending to Greece - this is not the reason, the reason is in Greece, which has been collecting these loans since the late 90s and gaining and gaining

And I don’t argue with that.
I just wrote about the fact that when the EU tumbled into pre-defaulted Greece of 08-09, the EU was not worried about the Greeks, but about its own banks, which had previously passionately credited the Greeks.

Quote: atalef

Yes, sometimes it is necessary to support the bankrupt, with the hope of his prudence and decency

Nope, not that case. For 6 years it was a lot of time to understand that loans go into the sand.
Yes, in fact, one year is enough.
But the money continued to cut.

Quote: atalef

Default - and no one will help her

Default can help on its own.
The mere fact that drachma will eventually fall after being released every five times will make them more competitive in the markets.
And then those who want to help will begin to be located.
Even for the same tourism - a sharply cheaper vacation will lure part of the flow from Italy. What will attract those wishing to invest in business.
By agricultural the same thing.
It’s more difficult for shipbuilding, but there may also appear some prospects.
In general, default is not a chocolate bar, but it also gives some opportunities.

Quote: atalef

and giving decisions to the * wisdom of the crowd * is to hide from responsibility

Nothing prevented him from sitting evenly on the pope.
And the irony about the crowd is inappropriate - the main burden will fall on the shoulders of this crowd and take an interest in its opinion at least decently.
It is clear that usually few people care about the opinion of the people. But Tsipras's decision seems to me to be more correct than the traditional "the boys and I decided that ..."

Quote: atalef

He did not try. this populist government was initially incapable of making any decisions

Some - is it to go to the terms of the lenders or what?
He could go for it even today.
Sorry for the shaft of typos, I write poking at the smartphone screen

[Kar Karych]

[quote = atalef]
Sorry you are wrong, German banks lending to Greece - this is not the reason, the reason is in Greece, which has been collecting these loans since the late 90s and gaining and gaining. I remember my first visit to Greece - 1995.
Gouged country of the 3rd world, mess, dirt (which in general has not changed) - low prices, siesta and the understanding that you are in a beautiful developing country of the 3rd world
But after . EU, the prices in drams turned into euros, and it began to rain.
The mess remained, the dirt remained - forgotten how to work completely

Rave! Based on your own words, drive money into a country which then cannot give it back in Europe to all downs! An example of Moldova.
Yes, sometimes it is necessary to support the bankrupt, with the hope of his prudence and decency
But the Greeks - this is not something, they have collected more money, but neither prudence nor decency nor the desire to work appeared

Yes, the easiest way to promise something and then get to dance is not clear why!

Default - and no one will help her, after such a long string of lies - who will believe her.
Of course there’s a little chance, but I would be in the EU’s place - fuck the beach, the filthy broom. And let the proud Greeks sell for cheap (who will buy them for expensive)

Well, before that, they somehow lived, why so frighten people.

No, I would be responsible - I would think about the people of Greece and make decisions (for this I was chosen), and to give decisions to the * wisdom of the crowd * is to hide from responsibility

It is also nonsense in front of everyone that what is happening in Ukraine, to deny the possibility of turning the same in Greece, no one wants to risk stupid, but they will decide together and Citrass is intact and no one will take offense.

[ps-1972]

I will not tell you what the C and GDP have agreed on. But I like how things are going in the Middle Sea region)))))

[Garris199]

We salute you Spartan!

[Wolka]

here is the result: the irresponsible policy of the thieves' Greek government, and the people will pay for everything, therefore the task for the Greeks is, first of all, to learn to live within their means, the Greeks cannot survive on their own, no matter what they shout, but it is also not good for Russia to harness the Greeks, this not our problem...