The governor, the mayor and deputies are preparing the success of "non-systemic opposition" in the elections in Novosibirsk

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The governor, the mayor and deputies are preparing the success of "non-systemic opposition" in the elections in Novosibirsk

In order to make any revolution, it, first of all, needs driving forces. It seems that in Novosibirsk they are ready to become deceived real estate investors who are already losing their patience in the struggle for their honestly bought square meters ...

22 January 2015 in the Siberian Federal District summed up the work on solving the problems of deceived shareholders. Andrei Filichev, Deputy Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation in the Siberian Federal District, summed up disappointing results: the most difficult situation in this direction was in the Novosibirsk region.

Here, the number of unfinished objects, according to different sources, ranges from 45 to 59, and even to 80 (!), And the number of defrauded real estate investors varies from 4,5 to hardly 8 (!) Thousand people. For comparison: in the Irkutsk region today almost 2 thousands of affected citizens. 26 homes are not commissioned. In the Omsk region 22 "problem" building. 2 needs thousands of 300 victims.

And, finally, the problem of the deceived co-investors in the republics of Tatarstan, Altai, Tyva and Khakassia, as well as in the Kemerovo region, the Republic of Buryatia and the Altai Territory, is completely (!) Missing. Successfully resolved this issue in the Kaliningrad region. From which it follows that if the regional and municipal authorities qualitatively execute the laws and their duties, they will not receive regular walkers in the form of defrauded co-investors in the reception rooms.

Who erected unfinished construction in Everest in Novosibirsk?

The volume of unfinished construction, and, consequently, the number of defrauded real estate investors, has increased in Novosibirsk every year over the last 15 years. The most amazing thing is that this process took place simultaneously with the triumphant reports of the regional and city authorities on the growth of housing construction.
It turned out to be a very interesting paradoxical picture, when, against the background of the growth of the well-being of some citizens, other citizens were forced to crowd in reception offices at various levels of officials in order to achieve justice and, finally, to get an opportunity to move into apartments they had honestly bought.

It should be noted that the avalanche-like growth in the number of defrauded real estate investors fell in the period from 2000 to 2014 the year when the current governor Vladimir Filippovich Gorodetsky held the post of mayor.

It was during his leadership in the Siberian capital that the “glorious” followers of the Moscow billionaire Polonsky, recently arrested in Cambodia, appeared, who, according to investigators, committed a large-scale fraud during the construction of the Kutuzov Mile residential complex in Moscow and having collected more than 5,7 billion rubles from participants of the shared construction of the residential complex "Kutuzov mile", made unhappy ... 110 citizens.

I just want to exclaim: oh, Mr. Polonsky, would you go to Novosibirsk, do you have this scale? There are thousands of such people in the Siberian capital, and you only have 110 ...

At first glance, on such a gigantic scale of the Novosibirsk problem of deceived real estate investors there are two reasons: unscrupulous developers, prone to fraud and trustworthy outrages of real estate investors, who voluntarily lend themselves to the ingenuous tricks of schemers.

But this is not at all the case, because according to the Federal Law of the Russian Federation of 6 in October 2003 N 131-FZ "On the general principles of the organization of local self-government in the Russian Federation", chapter 3, article 14, local issues include "planning development of the settlement territory, territorial zoning of settlement lands, establishment of land use rules and development of the settlement territory, withdrawal of land plots within the settlement for municipal needs, including through redemption, implementation of land control over the use of land settlement "(p. 20).

In other words, the municipality is responsible for everything that happens in the field of development and construction. And if unfair developers turned out to be admitted to the housing construction market in the period from 2000-th to 2014-th year, and even fraudsters and schemers, even on such massive scales as it happened in Novosibirsk, then there is no doubt that there is no way purely.

In other words, this delicate, invisible to the eye of ordinary citizens, the process did not do without the extremely skilled managers of the former mayor’s office during the leadership of the current Novosibirsk region’s governor Vladimir Gorodetsky, the former head of the construction department and architects of the Novosibirsk mayor’s office, and now the minister of the same region’s construction, and others members of that cohesive team ...

Fruitless attempts to rake the "Augean Stables" of unfinished construction

The realization that the process of deceiving citizens in the housing issue has gone too far in Novosibirsk seems to have come to the local authorities and law enforcement agencies when it acquired an avalanche-like uncontrollable character.

The number of criminal cases on such precedents began to grow:

--- well, in Novosibirsk, the investigation was completed and the scandalous case of the director of the construction company SUMET Vladimir Zurkov and the chief accountant Elena Ekimova, accused of embezzling more than 800 million rubles from equity holders, was brought to court. Almost 1 thou. Co-investors left without paid housing, the developer promised cheap apartments to them.
--- In March 2014, Yuri Semashko, former CEO of KS-Ross, was taken into custody. Victims, according to the materials of the case, about 70 people, imputed to the accused the amount of the stolen - 106 million rubles. Yuri Semashko did not find any property that could be seized and subsequently compensated to the victims.
- In July, the 2014 of the Year, the Zheleznodorozhny District Court of Novosibirsk pronounced a sentence on the case of the housing cooperative "Derzhava", in which victims there are about 190 people. However, neither the founder of the cooperative, Yuri Kotlyarov, nor his wife Larissa, disappeared in time abroad.

And finally, 4 June 2015, the prosecutor's office approved the indictment in a criminal case against Artem Korotkov, who is accused of particularly large-scale fraud, committed during the period of activity as deputy director for finance of the construction company "Neograd-Invest" "), reported RBK in Novosibirsk.

“According to the investigators, Korotkov and other members of an organized criminal group from among the leaders of the Neograd group of companies, not intending to fulfill their obligations to the participants of shared construction, fraudulently stole money collected for the construction of residential buildings in the Oktyabrsky district of Novosibirsk,” the prosecutor's office of the Novosibirsk region. Concerning other participants of the criminal group, the investigation is not over, the prosecutor's office reports. Last spring, the head of Neograd, Vladimir Aksenov, was arrested.
By the way, following the results of 2013 in Novosibirsk, 9 objects were completed, in which 846 equity holders received housing. In 2014, 14 houses for deceived real estate investors were completed in the city.


Simple calculations show that at such a pace for many deceived co-investors there are very real prospects for re-issuing ownership of their apartments to great-grandchildren, and maybe even great-great-great-grandchildren, since there are no real effective mechanisms to solve this problem. Moreover, even those methods that at the very least allowed at least somehow complete the long-term construction projects and provide people with desired housing were eliminated.

We are talking about changes to the Land Code, enacted from 1 March 2015, by Federal Law FZ No. 171 “On Amendments to the Land Code of the Russian Federation and Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation”.

Swan, cancer and pike, or who in the forest, who for firewood?

The same governor of the Novosibirsk region Vladimir Gorodetsky commented on the consequences of the innovations best of all:
- The authorities of the Novosibirsk region are seeking to adopt changes to the Land Code of the Russian Federation, which will help attract investors to complete the construction of problem houses ...

The point is that before March 1 of this year, the troubled houses in Novosibirsk were completed with the involvement of an investor, and as a reimbursement for the costs of completion, he received free land for new construction. Now the amendments to the land code made this scheme illegal, free land allocation to legal entities from 1 March was banned, and, therefore, thousands of defrauded real estate investors not only in Novosibirsk, but also across the country stood in suspense: what next?

After it became clear, the Novosibirsk parliament came to its senses, which plans to appeal to the State Duma in the near future with a proposal to cancel a number of recent amendments to the land code - they deprive the hope of deceived real estate investors in the 15 regions of the country, including Novosibirsk areas.
Andrei Panferov, Deputy Chairman of the Committee on Construction and Housing and Public Utilities of the Legislative Assembly of the Novosibirsk Region, told Vesti-Novosibirsk: “Otherwise, we will return to our original positions, we will again look for ways out of this situation, and 6 thousand and a half people now they are left without an apartment - they will not only be outraged, they will just stay at the broken trough. And in the state in which it is, this issue will be solved for years. ”

Meanwhile, the society is still waiting and will not wait for an answer to the question: what did the governor, the mayor and deputies of all levels from Novosibirsk and the Novosibirsk region actually do when this law was prepared, discussed and adopted? Really there was no opportunity to prevent such a development of events?


And now the mayor of Novosibirsk, Anatoly Lokot, has so far unsuccessfully forced to look for ways, how to clean the “Augean stables” of long-term construction, which were created long before him ...

By the way, who just did not try to raze them up: among them there is a well-known anti-corruption activist, State Duma deputy from the United Russia party Alexander Khinshtein, who specially visited Novosibirsk, and the deputy minister of construction and housing and communal services of Russia Leonid Stavitsky.

Most interestingly, the last one almost a year ago stated the following: “The Novosibirsk region is one of the leaders in housing construction and issues related to the modernization of engineering networks, the construction of new networks, issues related to energy saving. We are monitoring the situation in the country, we see how the development of the regions is proceeding, and we have an understanding. Very pleased with the availability of master plans approved, they provide an opportunity to plan work. Our priority is a social focus, primarily in housing construction, and this is seen in the administration’s plans in implementing our programs ... ”

How everything combined with the sorrows of thousands of Novosibirsk citizens, already losing hope of getting their own, already purchased housing, is probably only known to the Lord God. And, probably, to this deputy minister ...

The recently elected mayor of Novosibirsk, Lokot, has repeatedly stated that solving the problems of deceived real estate investors is one of the priorities for the development of Novosibirsk in 2015 ... Based on the analysis of the current state of this issue, based only on facts, it is highly likely that the mayor has changed priorities and this is explained by the circumstances of the so-called “force majeure” in the form of amendments to the Land Code ... However, this is no easier for deceived real estate investors.

The residential estate “Zakamensky” is already boiling ...

During that same visit to the Novosibirsk region, Leonid Stavitsky paid special attention to the situation with the deceived real estate investors, he even visited the “Zakamensky” housing estate - the most famous Novosibirsk unfinished project.

“The most important thing,” said Stavitsky, “is that the administration knows what to do with it.” This small nervousness is more on emotions, but I am pleased that the work is being done, and not just the light at the end of the tunnel is visible, but clearly defined terms, ”said Stavitsky. - The house is not built in a month, people need to explain, convey messages to them. In principle, the same thing is everywhere, all problem objects have the same complex of questions, and they are solved all over the country. ” “I am sure that in Novosibirsk this will all be decided within two years. 2-2,5 of the year, and this issue will be closed, there is no doubt, "- said the deputy minister.

It would be interesting to hear the opinion of Leonid Stavitsky now, when the solution of the issue with the deceived real estate investors fell firmly ...

This becomes most clear on the example of the residential estate “Zakamensky”, where about 1,5 of thousands of defrauded co-investors joined together. In comparison with this figure, the frauds of the previously mentioned billionaire Sergey Polonsky and his 110 are deceived by real estate investors in rattles in the preparatory group of the kindergarten for underdeveloped children.

So, Neograd-Invest LLC was the developer of the Zakamensky microdistrict, which it began to build in 2006 year, when the governor Vladimir Gorodetsky was the mayor of Novosibirsk.

More than two years ago, the shareholders of the microdistrict appealed to the head of Novosibirsk with a request to influence the developer. In the microdistrict, only one multi-storey building was put into operation, and the company undertook to build five more, contracts were concluded with more than 1,9 thousand citizens. In September, 2014 of the year, at the request of the equity holders, the court declared the construction company Neograd-Invest bankrupt. By the way, thus the hope of successfully completing the construction after this is virtually gone, because in modern Russia, bankruptcy in 99 cases from 100 does not lead to future prosperity, but to complete ruin and subsequent collapse.

To complete the construction of houses "Zakamensky" neighborhood need to invest about 1,5 billion rubles.

There are investors willing to raise these funds. Moreover, with the rational use of already tested mechanisms, the problem of defrauded real estate investors in Novosibirsk could be solved in 1,5 - 2 of the year. And to make happy owners of new housing almost 10000 people, as was done in other regions.

However, it seems that at all levels of government the solution of the problems of deceived co-investors ends not simply with the issuance of regular portions of promises, but, on the contrary, with the adoption of such legislative norms that make it possible not to fulfill these same promises.

It is about the introduction of new rules of the Land Code, associated with the prohibition of the allocation of new land plots to legal entities to compensate for the investor’s costs, and after that the process of housing construction for deceived co-investors rose firmly. Among businessmen there are no people willing to donate billions of rubles without a donation. And this is quite understandable.

Meanwhile, among shareholders of the residential estate “Zakamensky”, as well as among other citizens of Russia who have fallen into a similar situation, mass discontent is ripening. They will not fail to take advantage of the forces that are asleep and see how to “shake” the situation in Russia. In particular, this will not fail to use the so-called "non-systemic opposition", which has recently become frequent in Novosibirsk: both Mikhail Kasyanov and Alexey Navalny do not stint on the enticing promises, and in Novosibirsk they were literally given the "green light".


Considering the fact that Novosibirsk defrauded real estate investors already went out on the street with slogans and hung out banners like “Putin, help”, “Zakamensky - City of homeless people, Putin, help” and the like, the leaders of the “non-systemic opposition” may not be particularly difficult to take advantage of Novosibirsk defrauded real estate investors, created by officials and all sorts of scammers. Moreover, now the opposition are sleeping and seeing how to provoke people to spontaneous unrest, and so earn credibility. As the experience of the so-called “orange” revolution shows, it is the initiative and small groups of the population that play the main role in them. And why are deceived real estate investors not suitable for such a role?

Another question is that business and moral reputation, that Mr. Kasyanov, that Mr. Navalny no. But because they have no choice, not to try to use the legitimate indignation of people. And after a single day of voting in September 2015, when city and regional deputies will be elected in Novosibirsk, both United Russia and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation will analyze for a long time, how did it happen that thousands of defrauded real estate investors and their family members became pawns in their hands “Non-systemic” opposition? And they did not give their votes to them.

As a conclusion: as a rule, when leaders make mistakes, ordinary citizens turn out to be extreme. But then, sooner or later, it is necessary to bear the responsibility of those who made the wrong decisions.
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  1. +29
    19 June 2015 05: 37
    I myself live in Novosibirsk and heard a lot of all kinds of stories about the mass deception of people .... especially in the gangster 90s.

    You can’t be so gullible to all grabbers as in business and to officials in power ... it’s a pity for people, but the desire to get everything at once and immediately costs dearly deceived people.

    As for ... heh heh ... success of a non-systemic opposition ... this is ridiculous.
    Recently, the communist Lokot Anatoly became the mayor of the city of Novosibirsk ... I think he will not like the attempts of this unsystematic opposition to tell our society before the color revolution, and there is no majority among the people.
    In addition, the Novosibirsk authorities found investors to complete 22 long-term construction houses ... so that not everything is as simple and smooth as described in the article.
    1. +14
      19 June 2015 06: 48
      and he wrote that it seems that the one who is rocking this boat .. And the topic is topical and the facts are a classic liberalist template ..
      1. +8
        19 June 2015 07: 20
        The cunning article that wrote it is also not simple! Cleverly woven the economy with politics! Maybe the author does not like the Motherland! The problems of interest holders must be solved by the whole world - this is undeniable, therefore good, competent and smart laws are needed to help.
        1. +10
          19 June 2015 07: 37
          Quote: Dembel 77
          The cunning article that wrote it is also not simple! Cleverly woven the economy with politics! Maybe the author does not like the Motherland! The problems of interest holders must be solved by the whole world - this is undeniable, therefore good, competent and smart laws are needed to help.

          After the words “And, finally, the problem of defrauded equity holders in ... Altai Territory is completely (!) Absent” (COMPLETELY!), Interest in the article disappeared. For this can be written by a shameless liar. If local authorities keep silent about the problem, this does not mean that it does not exist. I am sure that not everything is so smooth in the other regions listed.
          1. +3
            19 June 2015 10: 13
            The author of the article works to shield local authorities, shoving all the blame on the legislature. The law really prevents the growth of the financial pyramid, whether it be even in monetary form, even in housing, even in land.
            And it is right. If the money is stolen, then you need to look for it from the thief and take it from the thief, and not look for new investors with new interest holders. This will not solve the problem, but only delay it, and in return will expand the circle of victims. The article is a minus for holding readers for fools. Anyway, no place for her in VO.
            1. 0
              20 June 2015 21: 09
              let's throw off and mark the author. Even with his feet, morally!
          2. +7
            19 June 2015 15: 23
            22 January 2015 in the Siberian Federal District summed up the work on solving the problems of deceived shareholders. Andrei Filichev, Deputy Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation in the Siberian Federal District, summed up disappointing results: the most difficult situation in this direction was in the Novosibirsk region.
            Here, the number of unfinished objects, according to various sources, ranges from 45 to 59, and even up to 80 (!), And the number of deceived equity holders varies from 4,5 to hardly 8 (!) Thousand people.

            Victor Aleksandrovich Tolokonsky (born May 27, 1953, Novosibirsk, RSFSR, USSR) - Russian politician, governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory since September 16, 2014. Previously, he served as mayor of Novosibirsk (1996-2000), governor of the Novosibirsk region (2000-2010), plenipotentiary representative of the President of the Russian Federation in the Siberian Federal District (2010-2014).
            On February 11, 2008, Boris Mironov, writer, journalist, ex-head of the Russian Press Committee, chairman of the Union of Slavic Journalists, accused under article 282 of the “Russian” article for inciting ethnic hatred, made his last statement in a court in Novosibirsk. His speech lasted three and a half hours, Boris Mironov revealed in his speech all the pain points of the so-called “Russian issue” in Russia. Fragments of Boris Mironov’s last word - “Dear court! Your Honor! I, a journalist, writer, are tried for the truth published in the Siberian Front newspaper, they are tried for publicized real, documented facts, they are tried for an honestly fulfilled professional and civic duty - to inform society about corruption, abuse of power received from the people, with grave consequences for this nation and state ...
            ... Why am I, and not V.A. Tolokonsky today in the dock? Or, the prosecutor’s office of the Novosibirsk Region is guided by laws and state interests other than the General Prosecutor’s Office of the Russian Federation, and, protecting, covering, strengthening corruption in the field, fulfills the will and orders of others than the General Prosecutor and the President of the Russian Federation, senior officials of Russia, Rabbi of Russia Berel Lazar, so zealously patronizing V.A. Tolokonsky? ..
            ... I am not being judged today for actions “aimed at inciting hostility, but also at humiliating the dignity of a person and a group of people on the grounds of nationality, attitudes towards religion committed publicly, using the media, committed using their official position”, as it means in my indictment, today I’m not even judged for my articles published in the newspapers “1st Siberian Front” and “2nd Siberian Front”, no matter how hard they seem to anyone, it’s hard to argue with them, they are reasoned and convincing from the facts cited in them; today I am being tried for daring to touch upon the most forbidden in the country since 1918 - the crimes of the Jewish mafia. And the matter is not even in Tolokonsky, although it is he who appears as the main character in my articles published in the Siberian Front newspapers, the case is a precedent that can create a substantive examination of my articles. After all, if you attract Tolokonsky today for the crimes that he committed as the head of the Administration of the Novosibirsk Region, tomorrow the question may arise about the crimes of Friedman, Aven, Smolensky, Vekselberg, Kogan, Abramovich, Chubais, who are today under the reliable impenetrable shell of their ethnicity. The current governor of the Novosibirsk region, Vladimir Filippovich Gorodetsky, was the mayor of Novosibirsk under Tolokonsky, and from September 14, 2014 he won the election of the governor of the Novosibirsk region. It seems that the pro-American opposition has relied on the Siberian Republic.
        2. +8
          19 June 2015 09: 39
          Quote: Dembel 77
          The cunning article that wrote it is also not simple! Cleverly woven the economy with politics! Maybe the author does not like the Motherland! The problems of interest holders must be solved by the whole world - this is undeniable, therefore good, competent and smart laws are needed to help.

          Interest holders need to be addressed by the whole world
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          Problems of equity holders should not be solved "by the whole world", but by the performance of their duties by the prosecutor's office and the Investigative Committee.
          And without going into further discussion, according to the results of their work, the current governor and his deputy for housing and communal services should be lying on the bunks for a long time, along with the head of the construction department.
          And if they still rest in their offices and continue to steal, then the city and regional prosecutors should be lying next to them, together with the head of the Investigative Committee.
          Only then will the problem begin to be solved
        3. +2
          19 June 2015 17: 12
          Quote: Dembel 77
          Cleverly woven the economy with politics!

          Do you think bulk for the population is worried and delves into corruption and cottages, the salaries of officials just like that?
          remember, at first he tried to rock the situation with slogans - Stop feeding the Caucasus .. nothing happened. the people didn’t. The elections of 2011-12 didn’t also drive Putin to overthrow. Now he is allegedly a fighter against corruption.
          I'm all looking for the answer - who is leaking information to officials about officials?
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        5. 0
          22 June 2015 00: 09
          Quote: Dembel 77
          ... good, competent and smart laws are needed to help.

          The law should be one: a thief - to the wall. The fewer thieves, the cleaner the country. It’s significant to shoot or hang 50-70 thousands, but the remaining 145 millions will think hard. What is being done to corrupt officials in China is nothing more than a war of elites. But it’s time for Russia to save itself, without regard to clanism.
    2. +10
      19 June 2015 07: 27
      Elbow is the most invisible of the mayors! I still cannot blame him for anything, or praise him for anything. He seems to exist and he does not seem to be. And the title is certainly provocative. People stand with the slogan "Give me the Stalinist regime," they urge to see the non-systemic opposition. These people (who fell for the scammers) most of all do not see our liberals, who put them in the pose of "investors" and hung all the risks on them (that is, for the bankruptcy of the company where they brought the money - no one is responsible and does not intend to return the money and there is no one to complete the construction, and the fact that there was a fraud - go and prove it, according to the documents everything can be in openwork). Now they are still pressed down. Before - in general, what the hell was going on.
      1. +4
        19 June 2015 09: 53
        that is, for the bankruptcy of the company where they brought the money - no one is responsible and does not intend to return the money and there is no one to finish building,
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        But for such "federal laws" that ensure complete impunity for thieves and embezzlers, the State Duma, together with the Federation Council, as soon as possible, along with axes and saws, should be loaded into a freight train and sent to the Krasnoyarsk Territory to harvest timber at an accelerated pace. For 10 years, no less.
        The term of the "shock trip" can be reduced for each "shock worker" personally, by the Extraordinary Troika, as it examines for completeness and truthfulness the confessions given by the "shock worker" about the mercenary and state crimes committed by him and his accomplices.
        1. +1
          20 June 2015 21: 20
          The names of the drummers are known to everyone. Misha wasn’t hired for work — he would have plowed his debts on a plot. What the hell is Vasiliev not at the stage yet? To Mordovia! Better, to Ukhta! Let him try to make money from there!
    3. -3
      19 June 2015 11: 44
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Recently became the mayor of Novosibirsk communist Elbow Anatoly.

      Communists are people too and are bought and intimidated !!!
      1. +2
        20 June 2015 01: 05
        Quote: sssla
        Communists are people too and are bought and intimidated !!!

        if not in the subject. specifically about Elbow. then do not be nonsense please! You "-"!
        hi
        1. -1
          21 June 2015 17: 19
          Are you in the subject or something about Elbow ?? The usual arrangement was no more than two candidates: the communist Lokot and the other little known and chose Lokty, and what he did in a year is a track in the city as a village, for 10 years they are building a bus station at the end of the region! I also did not vote for the governor of Gorodetsky and that he was chosen! and it is his question to solve with deceived equity holders, but things are still there. For how you listen to Duc, we are ahead of the rest.
    4. +7
      20 June 2015 06: 21
      All adults, but believe in fairy tales: who put the governor? And who did the governor appoint to different posts? That’s the vertical of power, I’m not at all against GDP, but I’m against this oligarchic capitalism in Russia
    5. 0
      20 June 2015 21: 07
      The author describes the scenario he wants. He should check himself for involvement in theft. Law enforcement officers, where are you?
  2. +9
    19 June 2015 05: 40
    In order to make any revolution, it, first of all, needs driving forces. It seems that in Novosibirsk they are ready to become deceived real estate investors who are already losing their patience in the struggle for their honestly bought square meters ...

    Aren't the very "revolutionaries" who have deceived these equity holders gathered in power? !!
    1. +2
      19 June 2015 09: 17
      Quote: Good
      Aren't the very "revolutionaries" who have deceived these equity holders gathered in power? !!


      Yes, we have got whole groups of oppositionists.
      Sopper - systemic opposition. They sit in thoughts of various calibers and receive salaries from the authorities, various benefits and privileges, because they sometimes gently criticize the authorities, at the same time solving their problems and lobbying for a fee.
      Noppers are non-systemic opposition. Most of it is made up of former sopers, who were once moved away from the budget trough, but they really want to go back. Their main cry is "Down with", and what exactly they are going to do for the country - nobody knows, including themselves.
      Zhoppery - tough oppositionists, ready at least now to rush to the barricades and shed someone else's blood. Fortunately, there are not many at large.
      Oppers are all the rest who just walk around the street in a crowd for joy. But if they are organized in someone’s interests, the result can be very unexpected.
  3. +3
    19 June 2015 05: 42
    To complete the construction of houses "Zakamensky" neighborhood need to invest about 1,5 billion rubles.

    This is how much land should be allocated to investors? again, only cheese in a mousetrap is free. "Free" land is the lost income from the city budget. Those. in any case, it will be necessary to finish building housing with the city's money. Building land can be sold, and this money can be used to complete the unfinished project. There is no political will of the city and regional authorities. And no one will be surprised by the "voluntary" resignation of the governor or mayor. When it comes to making decisions, the means and ways to solve problems are much simpler.
    1. +2
      19 June 2015 07: 42
      Land for building can be sold, and with this money to complete the unfinished


      The fact is that the city does not want to take on the completion of the unfinished business at all. He has enough other worries and the money earned for the land goes there. If you finish building on all the scammers, you will tear yourself up.
    2. +3
      19 June 2015 10: 00
      "Free" land is the lost income from the city budget. Those. in any case, it will be necessary to finish building housing with the city's money.
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      This "method of solving problems" of equity holders, instead of confiscating the property of swindlers and their accomplices in the local government, suggests that the government is completely rotten and can only be healed by Extraordinary Measures, up to the Highest Measures.
  4. +3
    19 June 2015 06: 01
    In general, what is the point of trading land for building residential high-rise buildings? According to the LCD, the owner of real estate is a person who owns a land plot on which this property (house) is located. And how many such "full-fledged" owners do we have after the privatization of living space? That in the registers of property ownership in apartment buildings nothing appears about the land plot belonging to your apartment. So it turns out that we are fake owners. It's a very tasty business to trade our own land, inherited from our ancestors.
  5. +2
    19 June 2015 06: 09
    The governor, the mayor and deputies are preparing the success of "non-systemic opposition" in the elections in Novosibirsk

    Well, then it's time to start preparing their home somewhere beyond the Arctic Circle. In a wonderful house with trellised windows and unpretentious neighbors who may not arrive on time ...
  6. +3
    19 June 2015 06: 11
    Soon, obviously someone will be arrested for bribes and embezzlement. bully
    1. +3
      19 June 2015 06: 48
      Tractor driver "Vasya" and bricklayer "Kolya". "Architects and foremen" have already acquired real estate "over the hill" for a long time and have withdrawn themselves.
      1. +2
        19 June 2015 07: 17
        And Vasya and Kolya are from Khokhlostan or Moldova, and the "architects" are sitting in the mountains (oblast) council. And the badge of the GDP-United Russia on the chest for an excuse.
  7. +3
    19 June 2015 06: 18
    Amazingly increasing number of crooks in the housing market across the country! But no less surprising is the indifferent and irresponsible behavior of authorities at all levels, or have they already stolen so much that they don’t need anything and they’re not afraid of anything? Putin does not understand this, or all his associates say one thing in words, but do only what is beneficial to them !?
    1. +1
      21 June 2015 23: 11
      Tolokonsky and Gorodetsky (the main defendants), sit in power and spit on all, Putin put Putin and continues to cover up.
  8. +5
    19 June 2015 06: 30
    Quote: kartalovkolya
    Amazingly increasing number of crooks in the housing market across the country! But no less surprising is the indifferent and irresponsible behavior of authorities at all levels, or have they already stolen so much that they don’t need anything and they’re not afraid of anything? Putin does not understand this, or all his associates say one thing in words, but do only what is beneficial to them !?

    Power on the ground and in the center of one field is a berry, no matter from which party the representative is. This is a control and theft system. That so-called non-systemic opposition, which enjoys the discontent of people, is this full 5 column and traitors of the motherland. However, by expressing solidarity with protesting citizens, they are gaining authority as on the Kuevsky Maidan. And the current government is digging a hole for itself, but it would seem easier, to take away the unfinished building from the scammers and finish building by ourselves. Here are just endless litigation will slow down the matter. The rule of law is still for the bourgeoisie and non-legal for the electorate.
    1. +4
      19 June 2015 13: 20
      The real estate market is a complete mess. A rogue on a rogue. I want to change the apartment. I'm afraid Where is the guarantee that the new apartment will not find some old owner who will demand to return the apartment for some reason. There have been such cases. Friends bought an apartment in a new house, it turned out, illegal construction. House for demolition, money will not be returned. The question is, where were the authorities when the house was being built? The citizen bears all responsibility, the power does not protect the law in any way.
  9. +3
    19 June 2015 06: 49
    Some bourgeois dig a hole for other bourgeois and nothing changes for the working people, however, capitalism, democracy sad
  10. +12
    19 June 2015 07: 05
    And why do we always have "DECEPTIVE SHAREHOLDERS" in every major city - MAYBE IT IS WORTH QUESTIONED ANYWHERE? What kind of power is it in these cities, which has led to this that people are constantly being fooled? And why, who is making a fool, now smokes in the Canaries, and then pay from the state budget of the country? Only one idiot Polonsky was caught indicatively (and even then because he bought the islands impudently and threw local cops into the ocean from the side) It smells of an organized system of theft in the country - that's what we need to think about !!!
  11. +10
    19 June 2015 07: 17
    Already got this capitalism.
  12. +3
    19 June 2015 07: 23
    As a conclusion: usually when leaders make mistakes, ordinary citizens are extreme. But then, sooner or later, those who made erroneous decisions have to bear responsibility. Author Igor Matveev

    The article is probably not for VO. On the first part of the conclusion no objections. But about liability, it’s was only under I.V. Stalin.
  13. +8
    19 June 2015 07: 24
    Lord, yes Gorodetsky is an ordinary gangster from Pervomaiki. What is there to be surprised at the volume of corruption. It's also good that Znatkov was not allowed into the mayor. And I am glad that they are digging under Gorodetsky. A couple of times there have been critical reports in Vesti, now they are rinsing him here. But this one is still the same - he knows the system, otherwise he would not have knocked out "the best city in Russia" and would not have made it into governors in the absence of people's trust.
    1. +1
      19 June 2015 22: 19
      I totally agree.
  14. 0
    19 June 2015 07: 39
    Quote: kolyhalovs
    Lord, yes Gorodetsky is an ordinary gangster from Pervomaiki. What is there to be surprised at the volume of corruption. It's also good that Znatkov was not allowed into the mayor. And I am glad that they are digging under Gorodetsky. A couple of times there have been critical reports in Vesti, now they are rinsing him here. But this one is still the same - he knows the system, otherwise he would not have knocked out "the best city in Russia" and would not have made it into governors in the absence of people's trust.

    Yes, bandyugan is now honored by democracy and plutocracy. Glory to the heroes.
  15. 0
    19 June 2015 07: 58
    It seems that if Alexander Khinshtein is fighting corruption, it’s exclusively Russian! ...
  16. +2
    19 June 2015 08: 31
    Impunity and irresponsibility are ruining the country!
  17. +4
    19 June 2015 09: 46
    This is a crisis of the feudal robbery of the country. And it will continue as long as this thieves, transgressing power exists. It’s time for Putin, as the president of the country, to decide with whom he is - with the people or with thieves liberals of 90's.
  18. +2
    19 June 2015 10: 01
    I propose that everything be completed at the state’s expense, and the money spent should be reimbursed from the thieves, put on the wanted list and central authorities, including the FSB, should do this.
  19. +1
    19 June 2015 10: 06
    The author deftly translated the problems of long-term plundering of the city budget into an off-system opposition, which is making its way to power.

    It turns out, let them steal, otherwise Navalny will come ...

    Navalny is secondary, and the usual habitual theft of the elite at all levels, with theft, and not with Navalny must be fought, which is not yet visible, on the scale of both the city and the country.
    1. Nzn
      0
      20 June 2015 17: 24
      Well formulated. ++
      According to the author of the article, yes. I would like to at the same time say thank you to him for covering the problem, and kick him well. I want to kick more ...
      He entangled in a heap both politics, and the economy, and legislation twisted, and even under such a liberal-graded sauce ...
      With his light hand, people who brought their money to the construction site will be seen as a support for all bulk there, and not as those who suffered as a result of openly aiding actions of representatives of the local level of power by the construction scammers shaking them.
      And now, after this article, you also think about whether and not links of one chain of Aksyonov-Gorodetsky-Navalny-Enemies of the Homeland. You aim, you know, to escalate social tension in one of the important regions of the country.
      This is me ... Emotionally ... As one of the participants in this mess with Zakamensky.
  20. +1
    19 June 2015 10: 09
    Hello everyone) I am from Novosibirsk, the article is all in black colors .. there are problems with long-term construction projects as elsewhere, especially since the third city in Russia is therefore more of these problems. I think people themselves are to blame for being in such situations! Cutting always leads to a hitman! As for the opposition, nobody needs it here. recently gathered march-) local people came 100, there were more reporters. The new mayor is worse than the old laughing judging by the condition of the roads
    1. -2
      19 June 2015 11: 20
      This is true. They plundered themselves, but the authorities were to blame. I am sure that no one wrote the clause of the contract and did not read the contract on the responsibility of the developer for the failure to meet the deadlines and did not write a request to the prosecutor's office or to the UK with a demand to initiate a criminal case.
      1. +4
        19 June 2015 14: 39
        I am sure that no one wrote the clause of the contract and did not read the contract on the responsibility of the developer for the failure to meet the deadlines and did not write a request to the prosecutor’s office or to the IC with a demand to institute criminal proceedings


        Where did you get such confidence? Do you know all the victims personally? If you haven’t had such a situation yet, you don’t need to mock the victims, there will be a "holiday" on your street, you can be sure of that.
      2. Nzn
        +2
        20 June 2015 17: 39
        Dear Stinger. The confidence of the uninformed and uninformed is truly limitless :)
        And they read the contracts, and there is responsibility for it, and, you will not even believe - there are all sorts of laws regulating issues in construction, and the case was opened. It was written SO MUCH, and at such levels ... That's the point for people since then a little more than 0. They put director Aksyonov on the bunks. Even Khinshtein came, puffed his cheeks, put a tick for himself, like "participated". So what?
        And nothing. As they all shrugged, they shrugged. In total, we came to the conclusion that we need to organize our own housing cooperative, invest additional. money, and build it yourself.
        I understand that you are purple, but take "-" for your comment.
    2. 0
      20 June 2015 00: 49
      Yeah, and because your wife is pregnant, is she also to blame?
  21. +1
    19 June 2015 10: 32
    And no one is giving them cookies? Although people can be understood, the problem must be somehow solved, otherwise everything can really end sadly!
  22. +7
    19 June 2015 10: 41
    The article encroached on the most sacred - the infallibility of power. How so. Well, the leadership of the region and the city cannot be responsible for this. We have a market economy, when the authorities are not responsible for anything. And the rest do not care about everything left.
    And what are we building? It seems we have not come off from breaking and pulling away the previous state?
  23. -3
    19 June 2015 11: 53
    here is an attempt to save on this and leads not to like we insure oh how not to like
  24. 0
    19 June 2015 13: 33
    I, apparently, do not know: how do deceived equity holders relate to VO?
    1. Nzn
      +1
      20 June 2015 17: 44
      Probably, as readers of VO;) Which, moreover, they are trying to apply similar articles to everyone who is piled up.
  25. +1
    19 June 2015 18: 59
    Quote: Dembel 77
    The problems of interest holders need to be solved by the whole world - this is undeniable



    The law must be decided. not the world. Yurchenko was exiled by Putin in disbelief. and Gorodetsky that, like, was not aware of? And he was "elected" governor. Who does not know about the action of the townspeople "What mayor - such roads" !? Almost every car in the city had a sign about 3,14-zdets. Elbow is better, really. It became very noticeable, I tell you, friends.
  26. +4
    19 June 2015 19: 45
    Sverdlovsk / Yekaterinburg already have them, Novosibirsk is on the agenda. In Izhevsk, everything goes to that. Further Omsk and Tomsk. All according to plan. Popular discontent is skillfully used. And everyone is inactive! You can understand people. But when they don't have a country, then even hope for anything will disappear altogether. In Moscow and St. Petersburg, everyone is concerned about sanctions and lost profits. The impression is that the people are again left alone with crooks and deceivers, and often open enemies of the people and Russia. And those are persistently introducing "perestroika 2.0". They have one thing in their minds: "You cannot govern a huge country, it must be divided and governed separately by each region. Then everything will be okay!" For this, specialists are trained and investments are ready from the West. They are just waiting for the whistle. This, alas, is not paranoia, this is reality.
  27. +3
    19 June 2015 21: 04
    Oh, there is not enough law according to which the bureaucrat could be shot for such tricks as the enemy of the people.
    1. +2
      20 June 2015 00: 37
      Well, he will plant him, he is a monument))) and in general the most dangerous enemy is the internal one. The corrupt bureaucrat will surrender all.
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  29. +3
    20 June 2015 01: 53
    Putin’s liberalism sometimes personally amazes me.
    Shoot w.ro. - bureaucrats! cheaper will be other science. Lawyer at the funeral.
  30. +2
    20 June 2015 06: 22
    There is only one explanation for Putin’s liberalism: he is so sure of himself that he knows - I can do them at any moment ... But this is a mistaken feeling, Stalin thought so too, and ...
  31. 0
    20 June 2015 07: 32
    Back in Soviet times, it was found that the operating costs of buildings above 9 floors increase significantly as they operate. And then, in Novosibirsk there is a fire truck with a ladder up to the 30th floor?
    I believe that it is necessary to ban the construction of residential buildings above the 9th floor. I myself live on the 11th floor of a 19-storey "Chinese wall for a whole block. Parking is a problem. For 15 years, 5 times I changed sewer pipes on risers and in the kitchen and bathroom." crying request
  32. 0
    20 June 2015 09: 49
    Fraera, they are in Russia fraera, and not just in Angola. Amazes the number of these characters.
  33. +2
    20 June 2015 10: 36
    Cleverly written! Everyone is to blame, except for those who own the construction system. All of them in TYURYAGU, 10 YEARS with full confiscation and payment of all, ALL stolen money. The rest will be disagreeable.
  34. +4
    20 June 2015 11: 27
    Dear, I am sure the local government is the weakest link in Russia, namely inaction, enormous corruption, impunity leads to such results, these are only the tips, and the roots are ahead, the vertical of power requires urgent reforms in all areas, it’s not power, but some governors
    1. +1
      20 June 2015 12: 19
      Putin is a spy, which means that he has information in full measure. Conclusion: the local ... "elites" are under the hood, but it doesn't make it any easier for us.
      1. 0
        20 June 2015 19: 04
        Dear, you can’t be naive, an example about trains, so we have the Belgorod region, everything remains the same, the governors lie, the mayors lie, so think
  35. 0
    20 June 2015 12: 36
    Everything is going as it should - after all, the socialist idea of ​​social justice must triumph in Russia. This is an objective process of social development. And the Gospel says that “everything that is not planted by My Father will be rooted out!”, And about the house “built on sand,” etc. etc. What do you think that our state order, based on profit at any cost, for centuries? No, he is discrediting himself as planned, as it should be ..
  36. +2
    20 June 2015 16: 42
    In Novosibirsk, something unimaginable is going on. This town imagines itself to be a capital city, and unfortunately took the most negative from the capital. Arrogance in power, licking in the entire power vertical, and also the open protection of the criminal business. At the same time, the city is not devoid of an intellectual face, with a powerful layer of thinking intelligentsia that clearly does not accept the above-mentioned methods of management. It is clear that with a weak administration, a corrupt economy, fertile ground is created for Bulk and other social outcasts who are so frequent in our Unhealthy city. There are not many ways to solve problems, but the crisis of power in the city and the region is clearly visible. It's a pity...
    1. -2
      21 June 2015 19: 46
      Put +, but hurried.
      Confuse sour with fresh, MINUS to you.
  37. 0
    20 June 2015 17: 03
    It’s interesting, only rustle was reposted about and without repost, but a really sensible article was launched on soap.
  38. +1
    20 June 2015 19: 44
    Quote: Dembel 77
    The cunning article that wrote it is also not simple! Cleverly woven the economy with politics! Maybe the author does not like the Motherland! The problems of interest holders must be solved by the whole world - this is undeniable, therefore good, competent and smart laws are needed to help.

    Well so yes motya muddy frame, not to say even worse. There other names are actually in the shade, and this, this ... (motya) matyugalnichek such. Part of the problems strange in a way, as if by itself, was formed, only was it itself or was it timed to coincide with certain events? Immediately everyone knows each other ....
  39. 0
    21 June 2015 19: 29
    Interest holders themselves are deer. Such a crowd of idiots. They themselves stupid then groan and abuse the power. For them now we must think apparently.
  40. -2
    21 June 2015 19: 41
    They themselves bought an apartment there (cash). We are waiting. And we live in a rented apartment. And there are people who live in rented and paying a mortgage ...
    The question is, are the authorities responsible for anything?
    I give myself an answer-NO.
    What gorodushka that tolokushka-all one prostitutki.I way across the country.
    As it is written: slyshuschy -uslyshit.
    A unseeing, put a minus.
  41. +1
    22 June 2015 11: 25
    Quote: Balu
    Back in Soviet times, it was found that the operating costs of buildings above 9 floors increase significantly as they operate. And then, in Novosibirsk there is a fire truck with a ladder up to the 30th floor?
    I believe that it is necessary to ban the construction of residential buildings above the 9th floor. I myself live on the 11th floor of a 19-storey "Chinese wall for a whole block. Parking is a problem. For 15 years, 5 times I changed sewer pipes on risers and in the kitchen and bathroom." crying request

    In buildings over 17 floors should be a special fire elevator.
    There are two AKP-50s in the Novosibirsk garrison (roof of the 9th floor). Equipment with a higher lifting height on a standard base (KAMAZ, Tatra) with full deployment will be unstable. wide equipment over 2,5 meters into yards just did not get through.
    To extinguish fires at higher altitudes use inner PV building or helicopters.