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Ukrainian world


The completion of the active phase of hostilities in the Donbass after the second round of the Minsk agreements put the opposing sides in a rather difficult position. Now, instead of defensive and offensive problems, they needed to solve quite routine issues, among them improving life in the territory under their control. Moreover, it was typical for the Donetsk rebels and for Ukraine.

Although, of course, the threat of resumption of hostilities persists all the time, despite the withdrawal of heavy weapons from the line of contact. In the end, they can always be returned back as soon as possible. But since the main contradictions are not resolved, both the Ukrainian side and the rebels undoubtedly suspect each other of insidious intentions. Therefore, keep the powder dry. Moreover, from time to time they make statements about the aggressive intentions of the enemy - about the concentration of troops and equipment.

But at the same time, all local participants in the process understand that at this stage of the development of the internal Ukrainian conflict, despite the most belligerent statements, both in Ukraine and in the rebellious Donbas, the question finally moved to another level. Here, much already does not depend on the warring Ukrainian parties, here Russia and the European powers and the United States agree with each other. The latter today either support Ukraine or control it, the nuances of assessment depend on the personal position of each.

Actually, the paradox of the situation lies in the fact that today there is the same dialogue between the West and Russia on the future of Ukraine, the absence of which was spoken in Moscow during the events on the Maidan. The Russian side then often focused on the fact that it was not negotiating with Ukraine, its opinion was not taken into account, which, in general, led to such a sad result. Although in the West they can say that his opinion was not taken into account when the former President Viktor Yanukovych unexpectedly refused to sign an association agreement with Europe, which was the cause of the Maidan.

But now all this is not so important. Then there was the struggle of the interests of the great powers in the Ukrainian field, in which everyone, most likely, hoped to win, used, among other things, the forbidden methods of fighting, but in the end no one had won anything particularly. After the end of the active phase of the conflict, Russia and the West must now deal directly with issues of war and peace. At the same time, they help their protege as much as they can.

Naturally, each of the parties has different tasks in scale and strategic goals. The West needs to economically support a state with a population under 40 million, and at the same time push, and possibly force, its leadership to undertake the most serious structural reforms in stories independent Ukraine. At the same time, economic assistance from the West today clearly directly depends on the reforms carried out in Kiev.

In turn, Russia needs to resolve the question of what to do with the rebel territories in Donetsk and Lugansk with their population of four to six million people. It is also necessary to build a system of management of these territories and solve the problems of their economic support. On the one hand, this requires significantly less funds from Moscow than the West to maintain the economic situation of the whole of Ukraine, but on the other hand, Russia has less funds at all, and all of them are in the current complicated situation. Certainly the need to contain the Donetsk and Lugansk self-proclaimed republics is a serious challenge for Russia.

But both in Russia and in the West, a common headache is associated with their proteges putting order in their ranks and restoring controllability. In Lugansk and Donetsk, this was solved in simpler ways, too independent field commanders were forced to leave for Russia, the most radical of them were arrested. Here, the authorities sought to centralize. Can this be considered the influence of Russia or is it a natural reaction of local authorities, but the fact remains. In the rebellious East of Ukraine, a central power vertical is created according to the Russian model, which is engaged in bringing the Donetsk and Lugansk “Makhnovists” to a common denominator.

In Ukraine, everything is more complicated. Here the power after the Maidan is significantly decentralized. In addition to local Makhnovists, volunteer battalions fighting in the East, the Legal Sector, there are still quite a few other centers of influence, for example, local oligarchs, political parties and movements, including very radical ones, are also active. Naturally, they all put pressure on the authorities in Kiev. Moreover, this pressure sometimes takes a very serious character.

But in any case, the authorities in Ukraine, as well as the rebels in the territories torn from her, had to fulfill an important condition - to try to restore the state monopoly on violence. At the same time, the actions of the Ukrainian authorities and the difficulties they encountered, for obvious reasons, are much more visible from the outside. Still, an open information environment and many active participants in the process. In the Donbass, everyone was quietly built or even arrested. Here everything went according to the well-known logic of the development of such conflicts. For example, in Tajikistan, after the end of the active phase of the fighting in the local civil war of the beginning of the 1990, influential field commanders Sangak Safarov and Fayzuli Saidov were killed under unclear circumstances. Because after the war, no one any longer becomes no longer needed brutal commanders with a criminal past.

At the same time, there were also stories with similar figures in Kiev at the time. Suffice it to recall the story of radical nationalist Sasha White, who was killed shortly after the victory of the Maidan while being detained during a police operation. But this character was completely out of control and discredited power, and she took the risk of direct elimination.

And although the period of active hostilities in the Donbass led to the emergence of a large number of volunteer battalions and their brutal commanders, they were generally able to integrate into state institutions. The battalions were partially disbanded, partly incorporated into the army and the police. The last was the so-called corps of the Right Sector, led by nationalist Dmitry Yarosh. In the spring of 2015, he was included in the army as a separate brigade. It is clear that this is not a solution to the problem, but still the first approach to it.

But the main problems of the central authorities in Kiev arose with the famous Ukrainian oligarch and at the same time the governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region, Igor Kolomoisky. The conflict between them arose because of the state company "Ukrnafta", which was under the control of Kolomoisky. When Kiev dismissed the company's management, close to the Dnepropetrovsk governor, the people of the latter tried to forcefully prevent the loss of control over it.

This story was of great importance due to the fact that Kolomoisky is probably the most influential oligarch of Ukraine. He played an important role in that Dnipropetrovsk region in the first half of 2014, opposed the pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine. At his disposal were various volunteer formations, which by the beginning of 2015 had been a small private army. That is, Kolomoisky with his people and the whole area under control actually represented a mini-state within Ukraine.

Ukraine in general, the last 20 years was a demonstration of how, with weak state institutions, the oligarchs become the dominant force. Moreover, democratic procedures create additional opportunities for oligarchs. They can compete with each other through parties, newspapers. To a certain extent, it is also a democracy. Although it does not resemble the classic modern Western democracy. Rather, it is possible to draw parallels with the aristocratic (oligarchic) ​​republics, for example, medieval Italy. This is when several rich families manage the republic with the help of loyal support groups, the so-called clients. If such aristocratic families agree, then they replace each other in power, for example, it was the case in the Venetian Republic. If the relationship between them is complex, then their customers figure out the relationship on the streets.

Actually, the Ukrainian oligarchs were striving for something similar in their organization to an aristocratic republic. In principle, in the spaces of the former USSR, any oligarchs want something like that. Here you can recall the same Russian oligarch Khodorkovsky, who on the eve of his fall directly influenced some political parties in the State Duma.

So Kolomoisky, most likely, believed that his role in the defense of Ukrainian statehood in the east of Ukraine would provide him with an exclusive position in the future state system. In addition, he could count on some dividends from the redistribution of property and advantageous positions in the state apparatus, which previously belonged to representatives of the disgraced Donetsk clan of former President Yanukovych. From the point of view of the former logic of the development of Ukrainian statehood, this was quite natural. The winner was supposed to get everything. Moreover, the president eventually became another oligarch — Petro Poroshenko, and, accordingly, Kolomoisky could count on sharing zones of influence with him. From his point of view, the replacement of management in Nafta is a redistribution of property in favor of other oligarchs, the same Poroshenko, hence the nervous reaction with the use of armed people.

It is possible that it would have been if Ukraine had not been in a situation that was sufficiently new for it. The country is reformatting the entire system. And this reformatting is carried out under serious external influence. At the same time, it is clear that in the West they would not want the situation of 2005 of the year to be repeated in Ukraine, when after the local “orange revolution” there was a conflict between pro-Western politicians (then-President Viktor Yushchenko and Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko) for property distribution. Actually, this is why Tymoshenko, after the Maidan, has ceased to be a favorite of political life in Ukraine.

Therefore, in the dispute between Kolomoisky and Poroshenko, the final advantage was on the side of the central authorities in Kiev. Although Kolomoisky retained his influence in the Dnipropetrovsk region, as his former deputy Oleinik remained in the local administration. Nevertheless, President Poroshenko has achieved his. Although the question of the future role of the oligarchs in the political life of Ukraine is still open. They still have serious money, impressive human resources, practically private armies, and in the situation of general uncertainty and weakness of state institutions, this is usually the key condition for ensuring the influence of oligarchs in the country and their struggle with their own kind. Still, Poroshenko, too, to some extent an oligarch. So the main question is: will Ukraine still be able to form state institutions in the end?

Completion of the Soviet era?

This is actually a very big question, and the Ukrainian elites do not seem to be too sure about this themselves. Hence the desire to break off ties with the Soviet past in the most decisive manner. On April 9, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a very tough law on de-communization, which condemned the communist and national socialist regimes in Ukraine as criminal, prohibited the public denial of their criminal nature, as well as the use and propaganda of their symbols. In addition, it was decided to publish all the Soviet archives and legalized all those who fought for Ukraine, including the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA).

It is clear that the main purpose of the Ukrainian law was precisely the Soviet Union and its symbolism. Largely because modern Russia has made the former USSR one of its symbols. That is, the new law is a continuation of the global confrontation between Ukraine and Russia. The current Ukrainian elites deny everything that unites them with Russia and its history. Therefore, all who fought with the Soviet Union, become its heroes.

Obviously, the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada who have adopted the law are thus counting on making it impossible to restore the influence of Russia and all those who support it in Ukraine. They believe that this is a sure way to make a civilizational choice in favor of the West, to build a kind of “Berlin Wall” between Russia and Ukraine. In addition, the Ukrainian deputies want to finally marginalize those political forces that rely on the nostalgia of a part of society on the Soviet past and are oriented toward Russia, and make it impossible for them to return to power. Probably, such radical steps seem to be a simpler solution than the routine work of creating new institutions - first of all, the legal system and a more efficient state administration apparatus.

But like any revolutionary action, the law was very crude, the consequences of its application were unpredictable. For example, after April 9 it was not clear what to do with the military awards of the Soviet era, because they also fell under the category of Soviet symbols. Another problem was with diplomas and certificates issued prior to 1991, because they also feature Soviet symbols. In addition, there are also tombstones, monuments to fallen soldiers, museum expositions, collections of collectors. Therefore, April 23 Verkhovna Rada made changes to the law. Now its action does not apply to all the above characters. Another problem was the renaming of cities and towns, many of which in Ukraine bear Soviet names, the same Dneprodzerzhinsk.

But all this is not as important as the legalization of all those who fought with the Soviet authorities. Among them were not only ideological nationalists who were noted by the struggle with the USSR, and at the same time with Nazi Germany, the same Stepan Bandera was sitting in a German concentration camp. Still, quite a lot of people in Ukraine served in police formations, including the protection of concentration camps. Naturally, it causes a very negative reaction from many former Soviet citizens. To a certain extent, this helps the Russian propaganda, which is based on the idea that “junta” and “Nazis” came to power in Kiev.

A very interesting discussion was on one of the Ukrainian sites. Here one of the authors carefully collected all the information about those who came from Russia who fought on the side of the Nazis. They turned out to be quite a lot, besides the well-known Vlasovites, there were also the Cossack SS corps, the SS guard battalions. In addition, an impressive part were the so-called "Hiwis", former Soviet prisoners of war, who voluntarily fought as part of the German units. The latter at different times, there were up to half a million people. On this basis, the author concluded that, in accusing Ukrainians of supporting the Nazis in World War II, Russia did not want to see their historical problems.

However, the problem here is not how much, who exactly and by what circumstances served fascist Germany. The question is that the service of this state is recognized as criminal according to the Nuremberg Tribunal. Therefore, one can only sympathize with the same Latvians who served in the SS forces when they fought against the USSR. They may say anything, but it is a stigma. Probably, it would be better for Latvians not to surrender to the Soviet troops in 1940, but to resist them, as the Finns did. And today the Finns have nothing to be ashamed of their military past.

In addition, in Russia they have forgotten about their SS in general; for modern society, this is definitely a black page in history. Therefore, it is more difficult for Ukrainians, it is easier to criticize them and it is more difficult for them to explain all the circumstances of the past history.

Moreover, with all the rigidity of the Soviet regime under Stalin and the presence of common features with Nazi Germany, he has an important difference. Still, in the USSR there was no ideological concept of the superiority of one ethnos and the destruction of undesirable ethnic groups. While the Soviet Union basically remained international and during repression, it concerned "victims and executioners."

Therefore, for all the hostility of modern Ukrainians to Russia and the USSR, it will be very difficult to erase the Soviet page from history with one law. Especially since President Poroshenko has not yet signed it at the end of April, he faces a difficult decision.

Shot in the back

But the biggest problem for Ukraine today is a wave of political assassinations. Former members of a fleeing president Yanukovich team are being killed. However, the biggest resonance was the murder of Kiev intellectual Oles Buzin, who was known for his critical attitude towards the new Ukrainian authorities and was sympathetic to Russia. There were a lot of versions in connection with this murder. Some believed that he was killed for his pro-Russian views and this was done by the Ukrainian radicals. Others believed that, on the contrary, he was killed by pro-Russian radicals, who thus wanted to destabilize the situation in Ukraine.

Whatever it was, the situation of instability, aggression in society is extremely dangerous for famous people, especially journalists, writers, and publicists. Because their killing causes a resonance and unlike politicians nobody protects them. Elderberry fell victim to a dangerous time.

It's hard to be Transnistria

In general, the confrontation between Ukraine and Russia, although it has passed its “hot exacerbation stage”, continues in new directions. One of them was the unrecognized territory of Transnistria. In fact, this is a pro-Russian enclave on the borders of Moldova and Ukraine. Here, from the time of the Moldovan-Transdniestrian conflict at the start of the 1990s, the Russian military base is located. In addition, Gazprom supplies Transnistria with free gas, which, however, goes into the accounting of Moldova’s debt. The latter recognizes it, but does not pay. Well, and finally, Moscow directly provided financial support to Transnistria.

In the midst of Ukraine’s confrontation with Russia, first because of the Crimea, then because of the Donbass, many in Kiev feared that Moscow might want to occupy the entire Black Sea coast as far as Odessa. Thus, it could solve the issue of the land corridor to the Crimea and further to Transnistria. But the Russian authorities did not go so far, the fears turned out to be in vain, but Transnistria itself, as a result, found itself in a difficult situation.

Naturally, the Ukrainian authorities are suspicious of the Russian enclave near their western borders. They took measures to strengthen the border when they were afraid of a strike from the western direction. But the more serious consequences for Transnistria were its actual blockade.

For the past twenty years, Transnistria has lived through good relations with Ukraine and the use of Moldovan documents for export-import operations. Now Kiev is raising the issue of introducing Moldovan customs, and Ukrainians have also limited the import of excisable goods to Transnistria. Moldova, in turn, initiates criminal proceedings against enterprises of Transnistria, which are registered in Moldova in connection with the non-payment of customs duties and taxes. In addition, Russian citizens of military age are denied access to the territory of Ukraine, and in Transnistria there are thousands of 200 out of thousand of the total population of 750. If we recall that one of the organizers of the insurgents' security service in Donetsk was Transnistrian general Antyufeev, then Kiev’s concerns are quite understandable.

The difficulty for Transnistria arose due to the fact that Russia this year refused to allocate 100 million dollars. As a result, Transnistria was experiencing an acute shortage. The economic situation in the unrecognized republic has deteriorated sharply, discontent of the population began to grow.

Obviously, with the hostility of Ukraine, the position of Transnistria inevitably becomes critical. It is difficult to say how long the unrecognized republic will be able to hold out in the conditions of the blockade. But at the same time, Russia has its own possibilities for conducting counterplay in Moldova. In the elections for the head of the Gagauz autonomy, the pro-Russian politician Irina Vlach won. In the elections held in 2014, the pro-Russian forces could well have formed a coalition, if the popular politician Renato Usatii had not been eliminated on the eve of the elections. And, finally, the most serious banking scandal in Moldova, where 1 billion dollars went missing, could not help but hit the popularity of the pro-Western coalition of parties in power.

It’s a paradox, but for Moscow, with its own centralization of power, the liberal system becomes more profitable in those countries to which Russia is interested. Then Moscow will have the opportunity to use the potential of pro-Russian citizens, and indeed the chance to conduct its game on the domestic political field of countries such as Moldova.

In any case, we will long watch the large-scale confrontation between Russia and Ukraine. But it is already obvious that, most likely, there will be no military conflict, but there will be a competition between models of state structure and development results. The stakes here are extremely high for both Ukraine and the entire post-Soviet space.
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  1. Dezinto
    Dezinto 13 June 2015 05: 43
    +23
    the threat of renewed hostilities remains


    F "&

    Seriously?

    In general, the confrontation between Ukraine and Russia


    Oh really?

    Russia only wants to stop killing people and a mess! Who needs such a neighbor?

    And more money for gas would not hurt. Or next winter Ukrainians will bask for free from the aggressor?
    1. Civil
      Civil 13 June 2015 07: 41
      +5
      In Lugansk and Donetsk, this was solved in simpler ways, too independent field commanders were forced to leave for Russia, the most radical of them were arrested


      Yeah, and some exploded ...
    2. Chiron
      Chiron 13 June 2015 09: 38
      -58
      An objective analytical article on this resource. Nicely
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 13 June 2015 10: 13
        -12
        Quote: Chiron
        An objective analytical article on this resource. Nicely

        I will correct color in the assessment of your comments laughing really think for a short time laughing .
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 13 June 2015 16: 38
          +4
          Surely the need to contain the Donetsk and Lugansk self-proclaimed republics poses serious difficulties for Russia.

          Come on. Complexities are created artificially. You just need to lift the economic blockade of the Donbass from Russia. And no one will need to contain.
        2. Zulficar
          Zulficar 14 June 2015 21: 55
          +1
          Power in Ukraine was seized by a handful of pro-Western traitors to the people. They retain power by means of total terror. There is no confrontation between Ukraine and Russia, there is a confrontation between the United States and Germany (eager for revenge for defeat in WWII) and Russia. Moreover, there would be no Crimea and Donbass, there would still be sanctions. Remember the "Magnitsky case". So, the above mentioned countries, by the hands of traitors, are solving their geopolitical tasks. Everything is on the surface and they understand it. that is why they press brazenly and cynically. There won't be a big war, but a provocation will definitely happen.
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      3. Ivan Slavic
        Ivan Slavic 13 June 2015 10: 42
        +7
        What a provocateur, an attempt to repaint did not work? There was a chirioner, but a chirion became, but still minus the ears. laughing lol wassat
        1. captain
          captain 13 June 2015 12: 06
          +34
          The author clearly does not know the history of the creation of Ukraine and does not understand the essence of the conflict. The conflict began not in the East of Ukraine, where mostly Russians live (the bulk of the "Ukrainians" in the South-East appeared during the Ukrainization carried out by the Bolsheviks in 1920-32), but in Western Ukraine. If we recall the beginning of the "Maidan", it was there that they began to seize the buildings of the administration, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Security Service of Ukraine and military units. It was there that the first signs of the destruction of a united Ukraine began. It is worth remembering that the bulk of the "maydanuts" were from Galicia. Either immigrants or newcomers. They felt (or rather, they were prompted to do so) the weakness of Yanukovych's government and went for broke. The outraged nationalists thought that everything would go off with a bang, but there was a misfire in Crimea. They were firmly convinced that their curators would help them, but they were wrong. Then events took place in Odessa, Kherson, Kharkov. Donbass did not wait for everyone to be burned like in Odessa or dispersed, like in Kherson. At that time, Putin spoke out against the holding of the referendum, but could no longer stop it. The modern Kiev government has a monopoly on force on force, this government has no money and has no desire to use this force against its allies, admirers of Bandera. with proper to the Ukrainian nation. For example Donbass, Bessarabia, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Hungarians of Transcarpathia, Romanians in Chernivtsi region. etc. I am far from idealizing Russia, but we were able to come to an agreement with Tatarstan and Bashkiria without blood, with Chechnya with blood, but we agreed, but the widespread Ukrainians do not want, they got territories with Russians and other peoples and they see only slaves. The author is a well-known person in Kazakhstan, with nationalist views and an inveterate Russophobe. At one time he posted a note on the "Political Review" about the Russians in Kazakhstan and their place in this country (like at the very bottom of the chicken coop). I then wrote to the leadership of the "Military Review", why are they publishing this material? They removed the material, but as a result I was not given the opportunity to express my opinion on the site. The article seems to pretend to be objective, but it is clearly with a hint of the unsightly role of Russia.
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      5. Alekseev
        Alekseev 13 June 2015 20: 26
        +10
        Quote: Chiron
        Objective analytical article

        Not an article, but babbling, a set of stamps from the media.
        The analyst from the author is like a bullet from shit.
        Analytics are facts and figures, not a repetition of platitudes.
        1. Alibekulu
          14 June 2015 12: 03
          0
          [Quote]Alekseev: Not an article, but babbling, a set of stamps from the media.
          Analyst from the author as a bullet shit. [/ Quote]
          It is, of course, "babbling" and "a set of stamps" .. wink
          Here the journalist apologizes for his participation in the Kremlin propaganda ..
          The correspondent of the NTV channel Konstantin Goldenzweig left the channel after twelve years of work, having written an apology on Facebook for participating in “propaganda madness”.
          [quote] “At my own wish, long overdue (and yet too late), I leave NTV, where I worked 12 for years with interruptions. Thanks to the wonderful colleagues for helping, teaching, forgiving, raising, making friends. And friends. Thanks to those who watched. And sorry for the fact that lately he himself has sometimes participated in general propaganda madness. The conclusion is banal, but inevitable: transactions with one’s own conscience are good only because they can still be terminated. Like any employment contract, even the most convenient. Long live personal hygiene, cheers "- wrote Goldenzweig.
          1. Kunar
            Kunar 14 June 2015 13: 50
            +2
            Cool! Only I can’t understand one thing ..... Coverage of events is objectively the task of a journalist. You have been taught this .... And if you are corrupt, then Poroshenko is in your village without me .. I really want .... another, boy .... Shary to help you ....
      6. asher
        asher 14 June 2015 06: 59
        +5
        A very objective article full of lies: "It would be better for Latvians not to surrender to Soviet troops in 1940," the author farted, who had forgotten what the Latvian authorities were doing (by the way, back in June 1939, they signed a pact with Hitler). Everything is forgotten - and the forced expulsion of industrial workers to the village, the swamps, the forests. Labor in inhuman conditions. Sale by auction of small peasant farms in case of non-payment of taxes. Forced settlement of labor peasants in Latgale in the farms of Vidzeme and Kurzeme gray barons. Political terror, overcrowded prisons. The killings of workers in the streets and in the torture chambers of police departments. And here is how the Riga Maidan took place in 1940 - "On June 17 in Riga and other cities, spontaneous demonstrations in support of the Red Army began. machine gun in the building of the prefecture, and then were beaten by the mounted police and Aizsargs.As a result, one of the demonstrators, Paul Kirsch, was killed and dozens were injured.
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 13 June 2015 11: 05
      +7
      "State Monopoly on Violence". And so what if the state is essentially an apparatus of violence. Without this obligatory feature, the state cannot be such at all. "Makhnovshchina" in Novorossiya arose objectively, since there was no state there. But the sub-state of the Outskirts encourages its Makhnovism to this day. Over the course of a year, the LPR and DPR have created and strengthened their statehood, and the Outskirts are successfully falling apart. In the current situation, the Outskirts will not be able to exist in their former form in any medium-term, because there are no financial or ideological resources for this. The current unstable system of intrastate relations is simply doomed to complete destruction. But what will come of it next is a big question. Here is the word for the people.
    5. yvk-evg
      yvk-evg 13 June 2015 19: 40
      -4
      And they will, and they want, and they will receive, and they will survive the winter more comfortably than in the Donbass !!! And all because there is no aggressor! And there is some kind of indistinct rag, mumbling about some kind of "peaceful settlement that has no alternative, based on the agreements of Minsk-2, which must be strictly observed by all parties", etc., etc. Yes, this is not an aggressor, but just some kind of joy !!! Otherwise, you just get ready to spit in the face, and he already hits your face, and this "aggressor" is better (who could have imagined!) Any perverted sado-masochist - he, in addition to your grubs in the face, will also smear his snot on his own face !!! "He wants to stop killing people" - she would like to, would have stopped long ago! "And it would not hurt to have money for gas" - such a mess would "hurt", it would be interrupted and wiped out! It is disgusting to look at such an "aggressor" or defender of the Russians! And also: "Russians don't abandon their own" ?! If they don’t quit, they’re so exhausting that it’s better to quit! No horseradish - no radish, no fish - no meat! And so ... anyhow that the side (God forbid!) Bow (star-striped or zhovto-blakitny - to choose from) !!! Minus !!!
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 13 June 2015 22: 44
        +3
        Quote: yvk-evg
        Minus !!!
        - yes please, ask - receive, not sorry. wassat
        Your screen is very splattered, it’s unhygienic, and it’s not good for your health to plague yourself like that laughing
      2. Kunar
        Kunar 14 June 2015 13: 53
        +1
        ... and with a butt on Ebal ... WE OWN YOU- DO NOT THROW ..... Doubts? You stay there, sweetheart ... and then you will tryndet, son
    6. SAXA.SHURA
      SAXA.SHURA 14 June 2015 12: 38
      +1
      What a military conflict, they have 15 minutes to get to the Canadian border, you Sultan mixed up something with a finger.
  2. pensioner
    pensioner 13 June 2015 05: 57
    +9
    Paradox
    The most accurate word in determining the content of this article. In my opinion essno.
    1. Corcap
      Corcap 13 June 2015 06: 10
      +6
      Quote: retired
      Paradox
      The most accurate word in determining the content of this article. In my opinion essno.

      Good morning ! Here's the "paradox" for you:

      The new head of the Donetsk administration, Pavel Zhebrivsky, announced that he intends to return the territory of the region to its former borders.
      13.06.2015, 04: 45
      “Of course, the key task is to return to the Ukrainian borders, which should be ... Returning to the pre-war borders is the key task that I set for myself,” RIA Novosti quotes the words of the governor who gave an interview to the news service of the Ukrainian TV channel “1 + 1. "
      Among the areas of his activity, he also named the development of business in the region, the restoration of roads and schools.

      Original news RT in Russian:
      http://russian.rt.com/article/97154


      I have not seen, even on ukroTV, to restore something ... They only destroy ...

      The former Gauleiter, ParAshenko fired for "striving to establish a dialogue with the occupied part of the region" ...
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 13 June 2015 06: 41
        +4
        Hi Corsair! drinks
        But really: on the other side of the k.ry they are at least restoring something, are engaged in some kind of economic activity? except for a spear of trenches, of course. Then Parashenko amused his visit to the trenches near Mariupol: either he had grown up, or the trench was not a complete profile. The body was sticking out of the trench somehow indecently defiant ...
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      2. BMP-2
        BMP-2 13 June 2015 11: 54
        +5
        According to the totality of the consequences of the decisions made, I think it’s high time to recognize the Verkhovna Rada as a terrorist organization!
      3. Kunar
        Kunar 14 June 2015 14: 03
        +1
        Well .. on the fence "HORSE" (for admins, this is a root crop) it says! The women climbed firewood a hundred times ....
  3. EvgNik
    EvgNik 13 June 2015 06: 13
    +6
    About everything and, in fact, about nothing. Piled and mixed.
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 13 June 2015 11: 57
      +3
      So after all, the price of a cocktail is always more than the cost of the ingredients that make it up! laughing
  4. Rigla
    Rigla 13 June 2015 06: 22
    +2
    When will they completely fall apart? angry
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 June 2015 08: 57
      +2
      The process of destruction, the new Ukrainian state, will be slow, but very painful for the population.
      1. 27091965
        27091965 13 June 2015 11: 46
        +2




        “The United States in the interests of global confrontation with Russia - and not because they are very interested in Ukraine, Poroshenko or something else - continue to keep this pawn on this square. But since this pawn is attracting more and more American resources to itself, and the task was to make it attract Russian ones, because American capabilities are not rubber, sooner or later this pawn will have to sacrifice. ” Rostislav Vladimirovich Ishchenko, President of the Center for System Analysis and Forecasting. Free Press 13.06.15/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      2. yvk-evg
        yvk-evg 13 June 2015 20: 24
        +2
        Whose population is sick? So far, only ours and Donetsk-Pridnestrovian are visible, and from "our Bandera partners" it is like water off a duck's back - we give them discounts on gas, then Minsk-2, then coal and electricity for free, then postponing the collection of debts -ni), then the one-sided (nipple) openness of our borders (to us - blow, and to them - ... th), and much more, you will get tired of listing !!! Before what scum we want to seem good-looking ??? Who ever said a good word about it?
    2. yvk-evg
      yvk-evg 13 June 2015 20: 08
      -2
      To sit and wait for their reward from God? Well ... Well, we ourselves wouldn’t succeed!
  5. silver169
    silver169 13 June 2015 06: 25
    +11
    There was not, is not and never will be any Ukrainian world. There is a Ukrainian myth that over time everyone will forget as a nightmare.
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 13 June 2015 12: 06
      +3
      I don’t even know ... "Whoever remembers the old will be out of sight, and who will forget both." Over time, the sad story about the proto-ukr should take its place on the shelf next to the stories about dinosaurs and pithecanthropus in the "Dead-end branches of development" section. For the edification of future generations.
    2. Wanda
      Wanda 13 June 2015 19: 33
      0
      Nah .. don't forget. Remember always.
  6. anakonda
    anakonda 13 June 2015 06: 26
    -5
    The author of the article repeats the hackneyed and boredom thesis that the West carried out a coup d'etat, the people of Ukraine are not considered as a subject, it is constantly being introduced into the consciousness of the Russian people, that Ukrainians were a toy in the hands of Europe and the USA, this is no longer funny. sadly, well, they don’t say that the aliens staged a coup laughing or like in Armenia, when after the shooting of the people in 2008, "President" Serzhik Sargsyan sat down on the corpses in his chair, the current government claimed that the people came out to protest as a result of "neurolinguistic programming" wassat , but the results of their activities of Serzhik Sargsyan are already evident - the country is in a deep crisis, whoever has the opportunity to flee the country, the authorities have been stealing so much that no one else gives loans to Armenia, the brother of the "president" is openly squeezing out business. Any people have the right to overthrow their thieving power, otherwise it turns out, as in Armenia, when the country no longer has so many physically active young people to get rid of a gang of adventurers who have seized power.
    1. RiverVV
      RiverVV 13 June 2015 07: 57
      +3
      Did they "shoot" you personally?
      Not in Armenia, but in Yerevan. And not the people, but Ter-Petrosyan’s personal band. And they didn’t shoot, but a state of emergency was introduced and the police put things in order.
      They did everything right.
      1. anakonda
        anakonda 13 June 2015 08: 13
        0
        Quote: RiverVV
        Did they "shoot" you personally?
        Not in Armenia, but in Yerevan. And not the people, but Ter-Petrosyan’s personal band. And they didn’t shoot, but a state of emergency was introduced and the police put things in order.
        They did everything right.

        If they did it right, then what is the people fleeing from their own country? And it was not Ter-Petrosyan’s gang, but the impoverished and desperate people who wanted a better life for themselves and their children.
        1. RiverVV
          RiverVV 13 June 2015 09: 14
          +2
          It’s very easy to blame politicians for everything. But in fact, in such cases there are no innocents. After all, Ter-Petrosyan was also worn in his arms, but how did it end? The war in Karabakh. The opportunity to negotiate peacefully with the Azeris was. At that time, our troops stood in Azerbaijan, their Natsik was pressed to the nail. But Armenia at that time was not very eager to be friends with Russia, right?
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 13 June 2015 10: 22
            +2
            Quote: RiverVV
            It’s very easy to blame politicians for everything. But in fact, in such cases there are no innocents. After all, Ter-Petrosyan was also worn in his arms, but how did it end? The war in Karabakh.

            but how at the beginning Gorbachev was worn in his arms. Perestroika, publicity, congresses of the Supreme Council with lively discussions, the program Look and jeans with sneakers laughing ... And how Yeltsin was carried on hands with 100% support of the "declaration of sovereignty of the RSFSR" you understand laughing . And as of now, Putin is being carried in our arms beyond the Crimea. wink . And of course, every nation deserves its ruler.
          2. anakonda
            anakonda 13 June 2015 10: 24
            0
            Quote: RiverVV
            It’s very easy to blame politicians for everything. But in fact, in such cases there are no innocents. After all, Ter-Petrosyan was also worn in his arms, but how did it end? The war in Karabakh. The opportunity to negotiate peacefully with the Azeris was. At that time, our troops stood in Azerbaijan, their Natsik was pressed to the nail. But Armenia at that time was not very eager to be friends with Russia, right?

            At that time there was the Soviet Union and disintegration processes began in the USSR, one of the participants of which was Armenia, it was the period of the collapse of the USSR, then Russia was not an independent political player, Russia itself fought with the Central Committee of the CPSU and was part of a single state. -Petrosyan or not there, anyway the Karabakh war would have happened, this is an objective process of history.
    2. Corcap
      Corcap 13 June 2015 10: 39
      +5
      Quote: anakonda
      or as we have in Armenia


      Let’s, we will consider YOUR ARMENIAN situation separately from ours.

      Do not put an Armenian shadow on our wattle fence ...

      To paraphrase: “All nations are equally happy, but unhappy, each in his own way”
      1. anakonda
        anakonda 13 June 2015 11: 28
        +1
        Quote: Corcap


        Let’s, we will consider YOUR ARMENIAN situation separately from ours.

        Do not put an Armenian shadow on our wattle fence ...

        To paraphrase: “All nations are equally happy, but unhappy, each in his own way”

        The history is the same for all states of the world, what is happening now in Armenia can happen after a certain time in another country, and what happened in Ukraine can happen in our country too.
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 13 June 2015 12: 12
          +4
          And what do you think happened here in Ukraine? The people overthrew the stealing power? Don't tell my slippers. Historical patterns are objective. But how and who uses them is the "role of the subject in history". And the fact that the subject is far from the people, at least in Ukraine, is beyond doubt ...
          1. anakonda
            anakonda 13 June 2015 13: 01
            -5
            Quote: BMP-2
            And what do you think happened here in Ukraine? The people overthrew the stealing power? Don't tell my slippers. Historical patterns are objective. But how and who uses them is the "role of the subject in history". And the fact that the subject is far from the people, at least in Ukraine, is beyond doubt ...

            In Ukraine, the people expelled the stolen politicians, no matter how they were called (Azarov, Yanukovych, etc.), it was not me from Armenia and I was not standing on the Maidan, but the Ukrainian people. Another thing, when Russia relied completely on the departed Ukrainian elite and it did not have support in the new elite, which the EU and the US took advantage of, which does not cause much surprise, a holy place does not happen empty.
            1. AlexSK
              AlexSK 13 June 2015 13: 59
              +2
              Quote: anakonda
              In Ukraine, the people expelled the stolen politicians, no matter how they are called (Azarov, Yanukovych, etc.), it’s not me who came from Armenia and I didn’t stand on the Maidan, but the Ukrainian people

              Just do not speak for all the people well? On the Maidan, mainly Natsik from the West, who had studied and trained for such actions as storming government buildings for years, and the opposition to the police at rallies, was very clearly visible during the events on the Maidan. Of course, there were ordinary citizens, but it was these groups that made the main contribution. And again, there is still approval from the west of all this bacchanalia, direct assistance from the United States is also not an unimportant aspect of the cookies from Nuland, old McCain. And of course, the cowardly Yanukovych. And something this hour, when people gather on the Maidan, dissatisfied with the current government, they are very quickly removed from there, to put it mildly. And again, the financial aspect, so that thousands of people spent weeks on the Maidan stormed and rallied, you need a lot of everyday moments, which in the compartment pour out millions of dollars of toilets, food. This, too, to put it mildly, leads to the conclusion that, not without help from outside, all this happened. Nobody actually hides this, Obama said that he appeared in this situation as a "transmitter" of power and about the money spent, they also said that it was about 5 yards from Baku and this was only according to official statements.
              1. yvk-evg
                yvk-evg 13 June 2015 21: 06
                +2
                Well ... Without the mass support of the simple "electorate - they are children", no Nazis with dolyarovye syringes in well ... would never have won! My friends in Vorkuta, who now live there, at first, also supported the Maidan, but now: "and the savages wring their hands - they broke their spears, broke their bows (VS Vysotsky - about Cook)."
                Experiencing that they ate Cook !!!
            2. yvk-evg
              yvk-evg 13 June 2015 20: 56
              +3
              In what an advanced people of the outskirts - he expelled the stealing power! Oh what? And what then stopped driving? Is the dollar exorcism over? Or is the new government the most ???
              1. anakonda
                anakonda 14 June 2015 05: 37
                -4
                Quote: yvk-evg
                In what an advanced people of the outskirts - he expelled the stealing power! Oh what? And what then stopped driving? Is the dollar exorcism over? Or is the new government the most ???

                In Ukraine, bribe takers are planted in batches every day, Russian, you first think about your country, where they start to take bribes right from customs, your log in your eye does not stop you from seeing a stink in someone else's.
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 15 June 2015 19: 14
                  0
                  Quote: anakonda
                  In Ukraine, bribe takers are planted in batches every day, Russian, you first think about your country, where they start to take bribes right from customs, your log in your eye does not stop you from seeing a stink in someone else's.

                  Yah? And to list poorly, whom did they plant? So far, you can list only those who were killed for political reasons ...
                  And if you have an example with customs, you still won’t believe it, but the Ukrainian border guards were and remain the most large bribe takers and extortionists than our personal experience has verified, so to speak ...
              2. RiverVV
                RiverVV 15 June 2015 10: 47
                +1
                It seems to be so. Ukrainians like the new power. But they also dream of Putin as president, but there’s no luck, no luck ...
            3. Maverick78
              Maverick78 14 June 2015 02: 44
              +4
              Absolutely naive point of view) Briefly about the Maidan ... One organized criminal group used a part of the population, which for one reason or another was not happy with the organized criminal group operating at that time, to move it away from the trough. They used this part very harshly, even shot the "Heavenly Hundred" to create a powerful wave of hatred. And during the Maidan itself there were enough provocations. We should also mention the media. Please tell us where else ALL the media spoke out against the BLOODY DICTATOR? And they were not afraid of anything (and not in vain ... no one touched them). Information about the events on the Maidan was presented only in ONE way.
              And yes ... anti-Russian and anti-Russian sentiments on the Maidan were supported and provoked by the very same people who are now in power. This was BEFORE any actions by Russia. This is in brief ... and so you can already write "war and peace"
              1. anakonda
                anakonda 14 June 2015 06: 54
                -5
                Quote: Maverick78
                Absolutely naive point of view) Briefly about the Maidan ... One organized criminal group used a part of the population, which for one reason or another was not happy with the organized criminal group operating at that time, to move it away from the trough. They used this part very harshly, even shot the "Heavenly Hundred" to create a powerful wave of hatred. And during the Maidan itself there were enough provocations. We should also mention the media. Please tell us where else ALL the media spoke out against the BLOODY DICTATOR? And they were not afraid of anything (and not in vain ... no one touched them). Information about the events on the Maidan was presented only in ONE way.
                And yes ... anti-Russian and anti-Russian sentiments on the Maidan were supported and provoked by the very same people who are now in power. This was BEFORE any actions by Russia. This is in brief ... and so you can already write "war and peace"

                You are not from Ukraine, the Kremlin troll, if you were from Ukraine, you would know that in Ukraine the media always had such freedom that you never dreamed of, you are playing here under the Ukrainian flag and think that the people will not figure you out, provocateur .
                1. kotvov
                  kotvov 14 June 2015 09: 11
                  +2
                  such freedom that you never dreamed of,
                  what are you talking about? If you shoot your head off tomorrow, it’s your freedom or gongadze, how many years have you been looking for freedom too? You are a foundling, not even a troll, but a chatterbox.
                  1. anakonda
                    anakonda 14 June 2015 09: 46
                    -1
                    Quote: kotvov
                    such freedom that you never dreamed of,
                    what are you talking about? If you shoot your head off tomorrow, it’s your freedom or gongadze, how many years have you been looking for freedom too? You are a foundling, not even a troll, but a chatterbox.

                    How many goals then flew for Gongadze, you don’t remember, but did anyone answer for the murder of Dmitry Kholodov?
                2. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 15 June 2015 19: 16
                  0
                  Quote: anakonda
                  in Ukraine, the media always had such freedom that you never dreamed of, you are speaking here under the Ukrainian flag and you think that the people will not figure you out, provocateur.

                  Of course, what kind of freedom the Ukrainian media have now, we see clearly - the freedom of the Russian media to give out so many fakes and outright lies and even such poor quality never ... Even when the oligarchs owned them, as they are now Ukrainian.
        2. Corcap
          Corcap 13 June 2015 12: 14
          +2
          Quote: anakonda
          The history is the same for all states of the world, what is happening now in Armenia can happen after a certain time in another country, and what happened in Ukraine can happen in our country too.

          And the thesis is that fool - How do you learn from your mistakes, and smart from strangers, does not inspire you to think and act?
          1. anakonda
            anakonda 13 June 2015 13: 05
            +1
            Quote: Corcap
            Quote: anakonda
            The history is the same for all states of the world, what is happening now in Armenia can happen after a certain time in another country, and what happened in Ukraine can happen in our country too.

            And the thesis is that fool - How do you learn from your mistakes, and smart from strangers, does not inspire you to think and act?

            It would be better to learn from the mistakes of others, but our authorities, unfortunately, do not want to leave the government through elections by democratic methods, they are tightly welded laughing to their chairs, they are not interested in anything except power and money.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 15 June 2015 19: 21
              0
              Quote: anakonda
              , to my great regret, through elections, they do not want to leave the government by democratic methods, they are firmly welded to their chairs, they are not interested in anything except power and money.

              Again you will not believe - but politicians in all countries are the same - they are not interested in anything except power and money, and "democratic methods" are a fairy tale for simpletons to hide from them the fact that they are being ruled. And if you object, why is it good to live in some countries and bad in some, then everything is clear here too: either you have a lot of resources - like the Saudis - live in chocolate and no democracy !, or you have to work like in Singapore - there, too, with democracy, not everything is smooth - and there will be happiness even under a dictatorship hi
  7. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 13 June 2015 07: 23
    +5
    Another "analytical" article by another analyst. Just expressed my opinion.
    Nothing interesting. Transfusion from empty to empty ... request
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 13 June 2015 12: 17
      +2
      As the Chinese say, "emptiness is the most valuable thing in an object." laughing
  8. Loner_53
    Loner_53 13 June 2015 07: 24
    +4
    So it is necessary to crush the water in the mortar winked
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 13 June 2015 12: 18
      +1
      And what, an excellent tool for the development of the hands and upper shoulder girdle in general! laughing
  9. victorsh
    victorsh 13 June 2015 07: 34
    +1
    How I lose weight from my homeland (not a mistake).
  10. Bayonet
    Bayonet 13 June 2015 07: 41
    +2
    And here in Rostov, the people are not a little tolerant smile !
    A group of unknowns made an attack on the building of the Consulate General of Ukraine in Rostov-on-Don on the night of June 13, RIA Novosti reports with reference to the Ukrainian consul Alexander Kovtun.

    According to the official of the diplomatic mission, there were several dozen people attacking. “They broke the glass, all around the consulate. They tore off the signs and threw bricks, eggs, tomatoes, garbage, ”said Kovtun.
    good
    1. Sirill
      Sirill 13 June 2015 09: 57
      0
      Quote: Bayonet
      And here in Rostov, the people are not a little tolerant smile !
      A group of unidentified men attacked the building of the Consulate General of Ukraine in Rostov-on-Don on the night of June 13,

      I think you can rightfully be proud of countrymen. Heroes, what is there!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 13 June 2015 13: 14
        +2
        Quote: Sirill
        I think you can rightfully be proud of countrymen. Heroes, what's there

        Well done, we will not turn the other cheek! How they destroy our representative offices, let them feel for themselves! am
    2. yvk-evg
      yvk-evg 13 June 2015 21: 22
      +1
      Well, at least some position in relation to "our Bandera partners", otherwise it's all semolina, sugary porridge on a saucer for a crane! And our authorities are not imprisoning these activists for long periods of time - they spilled green stuff on the "holy", the whole world is blowing dust off these fools ?!
  11. akudr48
    akudr48 13 June 2015 08: 22
    +2
    Little by little, the author made a big brew, but almost inedible, if you look at what you swallow when you bring a spoon to your mouth.

    A few comments.

    1. The subjectivity of the inhabitants of Donbass is completely excluded, they are represented by an externally controlled mass, deprived of their own interests, that is, actually occupied by their northern neighbor, as required by the Ukrainian agitation prop

    2. The end of the Soviet era is justified by the need to fight the USSR. However, this is a noble task. In fact, Kiev national-Ukrainianism is not fighting the USSR, but the Russians, in all their historical formations (Muscovy, the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation). That is, the author hid the main driving motives of the actions of Kiev.

    3. "But the biggest problem for Ukraine today is the wave of political assassinations."
    It is strange to put the consequences ahead of the causes. Political killings are inevitable consequences of the struggle for power and its retention after the seizure of this power in Kiev by the junta in 2014. And these murders fade, against the background of much more serious processes in finance, the economy, the social sphere, etc. Again, the author highlights the tips, not the roots ...

    4. "It's a paradox, but for Moscow, with its own centralization of power, the liberal system in those countries in which Russia is interested is becoming more profitable."
    An even bigger paradox is that Russia is just missing a piece of the liberal system that exists in the countries that are of interest to Russia (in this context, in Ukraine and Moldova). This is not even a paradox, but ordinary stupidity.
    1. Princely
      Princely 13 June 2015 11: 04
      +2
      "1. The subjectivity of the inhabitants of Donbass is completely excluded, they are represented by an externally controlled mass, deprived of their own interests, i.e., actually occupied by the northern neighbor, as required by the Ukrainian agitation prop

      2. The end of the Soviet era is justified by the need to fight the USSR. However, this is a noble task. In fact, Kiev national-Ukrainianism is not fighting the USSR, but the Russians, in all their historical formations (Muscovy, the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation). That is, the author hid the main driving motives for the actions of Kiev. "
      Well, for this GOOD MAN akudr48.
      Article minus. It’s a very cunning article from the fifth column, with their current views that supposedly equally vile and cruel at the same time, the DLNR and the Kiev authorities
  12. Normal ok
    Normal ok 13 June 2015 08: 58
    +1
    When reading this article, there are two important points to consider:
    1) In Kazakhstan, they look very closely at what is happening between Russia and Ukraine. They believe (not without reason) that they could be next. Read the Kazakh sites.
    2) The author is not personally involved in the conflict! Therefore, he does not use the ideological clichés familiar to Ross / Ukrainian-media, such as "fascists / terrorists, holy war, animal appearance, revolution of guiding, etc."
    Conclusion: a completely adequate (although not new) side view.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 13 June 2015 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: Normal ok
      When reading this article, there are two important points to consider:
      1) In Kazakhstan, they look very closely at what is happening between Russia and Ukraine. They believe (not without reason) that they could be next. Read the Kazakh sites.
      2) The author is not personally involved in the conflict! Therefore, he does not use the ideological clichés familiar to Ross / Ukrainian-media, such as "fascists / terrorists, holy war, animal appearance, revolution of guiding, etc."
      Conclusion: a completely adequate (although not new) side view.

      sometimes you read komenty and become sad, and then suddenly you come across an adequate koment and everything seems to be not so bad. Most often, adequate comments differ in minus red color, and I find them in the stream of others. True, minuses are also awarded to too cheers-patriotic users. And this is in the themes in Ukraine in other topics the assessments are more fair, the topic of Ukraine is too twisted towards the alleged struggle against the eternal enemy of the Anglo-Saxons and the new Ukronazists. At the expense of competition in the standard of living and the future of the DPR and Ukraine, the story with Karabakh and Azerbaijan, Transnistria and Moldova, Georgia and Yu.Yu. will probably be repeated. and who wins in these competitions, everyone draws conclusions.
      1. 27091965
        27091965 13 June 2015 11: 08
        +1
        I put you a plus, but in principle it is a forum and everyone writes their opinion. The same does not happen, there will always be a difference in views.
      2. IS-80
        IS-80 13 June 2015 12: 18
        +2
        Quote: Semurg
        sometimes you read komenty and become sad, and then suddenly you come across an adequate koment and everything seems to be not so bad. Most often, adequate comments differ in minus red color, and I find them in the stream of others.

        And why did you decide that they are adequate? Just because they fit your point? smile And yes, where did you find objectivity in the article?
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 13 June 2015 13: 44
          +1
          bravo general evidence laughing and the whole article is objective for me. and as a man wrote a post above, the taste and color of the mates is dumb laughing
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 13 June 2015 14: 33
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            and the whole article is objective for me. and as a man wrote a post above, the taste and color of the mates is dumb

            Evaluation of the article by taste and color is very objective. laughing
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  13. Tugarin
    Tugarin 13 June 2015 09: 29
    +3
    Yanukovych unexpectedly refused to sign an association agreement with Europe, which caused the Maidan.

    Moreover, with all the rigidity of the Soviet regime under Stalin and the presence of common features with Nazi Germany, he has an important difference. Still, in the USSR there was no ideological concept of the superiority of one ethnos and the destruction of undesirable ethnic groups. While the Soviet Union basically remained international and during repression, it concerned "victims and executioners."

    Although, of course, the threat of the resumption of hostilities all the time remains, despite the withdrawal of heavy weapons from the line of contact.

    But at the same time, all local participants in the process understand that at this stage of the development of the intra-Ukrainian conflict, despite the most belligerent statements, both in Ukraine and in the rebellious Donbass, the issue has finally moved to another level.


    After reading this opus, one gets the impression that the author spent the last year visiting Agafya Lykova's "Taiga Tupik", and his reference book was "Icebreaker" by Suvorov, as well as a selection of periodicals from Ukrainian and Western media. request
  14. Frigate
    Frigate 13 June 2015 10: 34
    +4
    The title of the article "Ukrainian World" is erroneous in any sense.
    1. Kilo-11
      Kilo-11 13 June 2015 21: 23
      -1
      Ukrainian world, and what is it and where is it ?!
  15. oldzek
    oldzek 13 June 2015 12: 04
    +2
    in general, this is not an analytical article, but a liberal guano
  16. Azovian
    Azovian 13 June 2015 12: 22
    +3
    As the author famously dissociated himself from the "rebels in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions." What is his nationality interesting? Yes, there is more and more disappointment in the LPNR with Russia's position on this issue. And there is no need to maintain the LPNR, don't be funny. Let Novorossia be left alone, we ourselves will recover. More and more often I have the feeling that we are SPECIAL RUSSIANS, without brothers and relatives.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 13 June 2015 13: 17
      +3
      Quote: Azovets
      Let Novorossia be left alone, we will recover. I have more and more the feeling that we are SPECIAL RUSSIAN, without brothers and relatives.

      Do you get supplies from Alpha Centauri?
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 13 June 2015 13: 36
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: Azovets
        Let Novorossia be left alone, we will recover. I have more and more the feeling that we are SPECIAL RUSSIAN, without brothers and relatives.

        Do you get supplies from Alpha Centauri?

        I remember the photo with the protests in Lugansk, and the banners "Lugansk will not feed Europe", but it has come true that the people of Luhansk will definitely not feed Europe.
      2. Azovian
        Azovian 13 June 2015 16: 42
        +2
        For deliveries honestly, from the heart, THANKS. BUT google, they make up 2% of the needs. This is public information. Donbass pays for the Russian world at the most expensive price — lives.
        1. Kilo-11
          Kilo-11 13 June 2015 21: 21
          +2
          In part, I agree with you, unfortunately the government of the Russian Federation cannot take a clear, clear, and most importantly a firm position in relation to the DPR and LPR, then we will defend every Russian and create Novorossia, then the Novorossiya project has been quietly disbanded, and from the DPR and the LPR want to make special regions of Ukraine. It is clear that such a political line of the Russian government to ordinary people in the DPR and LPR, to put it mildly, is not clear and probably causes one thought: “The Kremlin is merging us.” Moreover, there is a positive example of such a situation - the bloodless annexation of Crimea to The RF and people in Donbass have a completely logical and legitimate question: "Why are we worse than the inhabitants of Crimea? Why are we denied even Independence? Why are some special regions of Ukraine made of us?" But on the other hand, no one left you, there are quite a few of our volunteers in the DPR and LPR, and I think that people from the Russian Federation will go to defend the Donbass further; maybe the level of assistance is not the same, in part I agree that 4-6 million people are, the population of St. Petersburg, I think you can find the means, our officials b They steal more; there is still other help, which is clearly not 2% of the needs. So do not panic, we will break through and ordinary people of Russia certainly do not abandon their own. The people in Donbass are really special, our people are Russian!
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 13 June 2015 21: 39
            +3
            Quote: Kilo-11
            and people in Donbass have a completely logical and legitimate question: "Why are we worse than the inhabitants of Crimea? Why are we denied even Independence? Why are some special regions of Ukraine made of us?"

            In your initial status: Region and the Autonomous Republic are two big differences request As an example, I wrote about it a very long time ago: In St. Petersburg, in the midst of the sovereignty parade in one of the districts, the deputies said that the airspace over the district belongs to the district fool wassat Then Sobchak invited them to think about the purchase of air defense systems laughing Draw your own conclusions?
            1. Kilo-11
              Kilo-11 14 June 2015 00: 43
              +1
              I disagree with you Ruslan. Constitution of Ukraine Article 73- "Exclusively all-Ukrainian referendum resolves issues on changing the territory of Ukraine", the conditions for holding such a referendum are defined in Article 72 of the Constitution of Ukraine, before the referendum in Crimea, these very conditions were not met. it says about the special status of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, it seems, no where. Moreover, Article 135 of the Constitution of Ukraine says- "Normative legal acts of the Verkhovna Rada of the AR of Crimea and the CM of the AR of Crimea cannot contradict the Constitution of Ukraine ...", etc. But in The Constitution of Ukraine is Article 5- "The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in Ukraine is the people. The people exercise their power directly ...", etc. This article 5, in my opinion, is so slippery and, if desired, it can be interpreted differently. So, based on the Constitution of Ukraine, I don’t see much difference between the AR and the regions. Will you draw conclusions yourself?
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 14 June 2015 00: 47
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                As far as I know, Yanukovych signed a decree on a referendum in Crimea and only after that he was sent to Rostov. But there was nothing about Donbass
                1. Kilo-11
                  Kilo-11 14 June 2015 16: 13
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                  The fact that V. Yanukovych signed the Decree on a referendum in the Crimea did not hear, I think minus our representatives, it was necessary to squeeze the President’s panel and to hold a referendum in the Donbass.
  17. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 13 June 2015 13: 57
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    but for Moscow, with its own centralization of power, the liberal system in those countries to which Russia is interested becomes more profitable
    Finally, we learned at least something useful from America.
  18. far
    far 13 June 2015 15: 55
    +2
    It is not Russian-speaking East of Ukraine who are fighting there, namely the Russians. And after all those whom we betrayed in the vastness of the USSR, it is never for us to say goodbye. And bow to them to the ground.
    1. Wanda
      Wanda 13 June 2015 19: 50
      +5
      did not eat? and whom they betrayed: Ukraine? so she wondered what happened: no debts, vast territory, good climate, beautiful black soil, mountains, warm sea, industry, etc. I remember her stealing this one, gasified and plumbing in private homes, sunflowers. I also remember Siberian villages, the gas pipeline outside the outskirts, and they drown firewood in their frosts. There they put houses in pairs, one wall on the street, the one with windows to save heat. There are no gardens naturally. And there are places where the houses are two-story, but all even livestock are on the second floor. Betrayed and betrayed, above all our Russians, all the time betrayed.
    2. 97110
      97110 14 June 2015 12: 51
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      Quote: far
      And after all those whom we betrayed in the vastness of the USSR, we will never say goodbye.

      Be humble. Your WE TRIED and WE WILL NOT FORGIVE cause bewilderment. Che great you, my friend, very. Express your opinion. If you, indeed, represent a group of betrayers, then familiarize the conferees with who these WE are, whom these WE have betrayed and to whom. Maybe your WE conference and have mercy. Or maybe the doctors from Kovalevka will come to their senses without discovering your WE in your ward.
  19. Wanda
    Wanda 13 June 2015 19: 35
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    the same thing back and forth ..
  20. Straight
    Straight 13 June 2015 22: 15
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    We don’t even gather a security council in connection with the deaths of civilians, children of Donbass, unfortunate Russian people. Churkin not to hear. Who would have thought that Russia would admit that some kind of Bandera PM will destroy the Russian people with impunity. The Minsk agreements are the surrender of Russia. Why not just talk about a ceasefire? After all, Ossetia and Abkhazia were not pushed into Georgia. They announced a complete blockade of Transnistria and the Kremlin is silent .. Already it seems that everyone would have surrendered but do not know how.
  21. nail
    nail 14 June 2015 00: 29
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    article minus
  22. Semenov
    Semenov 14 June 2015 06: 31
    +1
    There is no information, all this "article" is spoken from TV ten times a day and shown on the Internet. Poured from empty to empty and mixed everything into a heap (horses, people, and further in the text). Minus you, tolerast, comments are more interesting.
  23. oof
    oof 14 June 2015 07: 02
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    The difficulty for Transnistria arose due to the fact that Russia this year refused to allocate 100 million dollars. As a result, Transnistria was experiencing an acute shortage. The economic situation in the unrecognized republic has deteriorated sharply, discontent of the population began to grow.
    But funding for the fascist regime of Poroshenko through lowering gas and electricity prices is in full swing. This is despite the fact that Dill blocked the water in the Crimea and is blocking Transnistria.
  24. LvKiller
    LvKiller 14 June 2015 09: 41
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    I heard about the globe of Ukraine, but not about the "Ukrainian world". This is probably the same world that is on the same globe. It's funny to hear people talk about the "history of Ukraine". This whole story is a story of hatred in the headquarters of Austrians, Germans and Poles. To me, too, Newton's binomial is "Ukraine".
  25. alone
    alone 14 June 2015 10: 49
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    A man wrote an article, outlined everything as he sees and thinks. But it wasn’t there.

    The majority again begins to look for a "all-spreading" in this person, an enemy, an American
    spy. Search, arrest, shoot all those who don’t think like you. Become a breast for those who steal the happiness of your children today.

    Everyone who says that the article is written incorrectly, I ask one single question: What can you reasonably and competently compare against his words and thoughts? What? Only curse and accusations of betrayal.

    And in order to understand everything that is happening, find the 15-year development program of Russia and simply analyze what has been written out of everything that has been done in 15 years, and then you will understand the whole essence of the Ukrainian conflict and understand who benefits from it.
    1. Princely
      Princely 14 June 2015 11: 48
      +2
      Oh heh heh, I recognize the ECHO cliché for all cases of any disputes that would turn them into a stupid, empty bazaar.
  26. Nikolay69
    Nikolay69 14 June 2015 13: 02
    +1
    Weekend or something, usually authors are smarter on the resource (to put it mildly).
  27. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 14 June 2015 15: 21
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    To a certain extent, this is also democracy.

    This is not democracy, but pure feudalism. The same as in medieval Germany, when it was divided into feudal principalities (duchy, barony, etc.).

    On April 9, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a very tough law on decommunization, which condemned the communist and national socialist regimes in Ukraine as criminal, banned the public denial of their criminal nature, as well as the use and promotion of their symbols.

    Something I didn’t hear that the emblems of law-breakers would be prohibited at the legislative level. Communist yes, Nazi no.
  28. valiant71
    valiant71 14 June 2015 17: 07
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    Quote: wanderer_032
    In addition, in Russia they have forgotten about their SS in general; for modern society, this is definitely a black page in history. Therefore, it is more difficult for Ukrainians, it is easier to criticize them and it is more difficult for them to explain all the circumstances of the past history.


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    It’s a paradox, but for Moscow, with its own centralization of power, the liberal system becomes more profitable in those countries to which Russia is interested. Then Moscow will have the opportunity to use the potential of pro-Russian citizens, and indeed the chance to conduct its game on the domestic political field of countries such as Moldova.



    Here's the kind of article that claims to be "Miss Objectivity". There are things that are correct in general and the author does not sing an ode to Ukraine. But sometimes as requested ... Yes, we have not forgotten about the SS men, dear author, at least this. Yes, many of their own ethnic group fought against the USSR. But nobody makes them heroes! As the saying goes: "FEEL THE DIFFERENCE!"
  29. Sivan
    Sivan 14 June 2015 18: 43
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    However, the greatest resonance was caused by the murder of Kiev intellectual Oles Buzina, who was known for his critical attitude to the new Ukrainian authorities and was distinguished by sympathy for Russia. There were a lot of versions in connection with this murder. Some believed that he was killed for his pro-Russian views and this was done by Ukrainian radicals. Others believed that on the contrary, he was killed by pro-Russian radicals, who wanted to thus destabilize the situation in Ukraine.

    Yeah of course! And Putin also organized the Odessa tragedy in order to denigrate Ukraine. More versions, good and different! Everyone has the right to their opinion!
    The author, apparently, wants to please everyone and write "neutral", taking into account all opinions, as in Wikipedia. But it turns out pretty nasty.
    But all this is not so important as the legalization of all those who fought against the Soviet regime. Among them were not only ideological nationalists who were noted both by the struggle with the USSR and simultaneously with Nazi Germany, the same Stepan Bandera was sitting in a German concentration camp. Still, quite a lot of people in Ukraine served in police units, including the protection of concentration camps. Naturally, this causes a very negative reaction among many former Soviet citizens. To a certain extent, this helps Russian propaganda, which is based on the idea that the “junta” and “Nazis” came to power in Kiev.

    Well, yes, because in Kiev there was a democratic revolution and a legal change of power. And no one forbade the Russian language.In Ukraine, there is no Nazism at all, anyone can understand that! This is all Kiselev’s propaganda!
    What does this weird WO article do? Do admins read this carefully?
  30. iz odessy
    iz odessy 15 June 2015 11: 37
    +1
    The statement of known facts and their "poor-quality processing" ... I do not undertake to identify the reasons - this is about an article. A simple example: "about the problem of political assassinations" ... there is none. The people, now just shit on the fate of such lackeys -regionals like Chechets or Kalashniki. The regionals and Yanukovych in their greed and in-person strategy of privatization of the state - us, and this is min. 50% of Ukraine who voted for them, simply betrayed and wiped their feet with us ... scoundrels. Elderberry, it's another matter and then with the growth of problems for survival, everything will quickly fade into the background. Transnistria? This enclave is not viable without Russian support. First and foremost, it is geography, and secondly, the economy ... it is either Russian or there will be none, and thirdly, it is politics .. Transnistria can be either Russian or Moldovan - this is a priori. Without a "loyal" Odessa region, today it is more likely to become Moldovan