Rusyns of Transcarpathia require special status from Kiev

The leaders of the Ruthenian movement in Transcarpathia, together with human rights activists, held yesterday an action outside the walls of the administration of the Ukrainian president, RIA News message portal "Podrobnosti.ua".

“Representatives of the movement demand to recognize the results of the referendum 1991 of the year, in which 78% of residents voted for a special status for Transcarpathia, and also to recognize the Ruthenians as a national minority”- writes Ukrainian resource.

One of the leaders of the movement, Andrei Yurik, reminded journalists that the Minsk agreements provided for granting self-proclaimed Donbas republics a special status. In his opinion, the Rusins ​​are no worse, and they should also be given a similar status.

According to the participants of the action, “the Rusyns are an indigenous people of Transcarpathia,” but they still continue to be “called Ukrainians and not recognized as a national minority.”

The reaction of the presidential administration to the demands of the protesters has not yet been reported.

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[svp67]

A couple of dozen people, of course not all Rusyns, but a drop wears away the stone ... And the main thing now is really to "put pressure" on Kiev, on the issue of "federation" or even "confederation", that from the East, then from the West of the country, and then you look and the South will wake up.

[Starover_Z]

Rusyns, in my understanding, are rooted in Ancient, Kievan Rus.
And in this case, modern, independent kaklam should liberate Kiev from its presence!
To start !

[Grandfather bear]

So the war continues. Despite all the agreements in Minsk, where our politicians go as Muslims to Mecca and the statements that the negotiations were successful, I advise our "Minskers" to tell the residents of Horlivka about the success of the negotiations, which is now being leveled to the ground.

"Minsk shame" is the name of this gangway in the LPNR.

[Dudu]

“Rusyns, in my understanding, originate from the ancient, Kievan Rus.
And in this case, modern, independent kaklam should liberate Kiev from its presence!
To start "
Ignorance of history is always bad. Rusyns are ordinary inhabitants of Ukraine, which was called Rus in the time of Bogdan Khmelnitsky, unlike the rest of the principalities of Moscow, Rostov, Suzdal and the others until their abolition in the time of Ivan the Terrible and the formation of the Moscow kingdom.
But the western lands fell under the Hungarians, Romanians, Poles and for a long time were cut off from the rest of the population of Ukraine-Russia. They partially retained the language of the former type, which in Ukraine, especially during the Ukrainization in the 30s conducted by the Judeo-Communards, was distorted to a modern look.
It is on the basis of the difference in language that they call themselves Rusyns, although genetically they are the same array of mixing different nationalities of this region.
By the way, the Hungarians also left Ukraine in the 9th century, as did the Bulgarians in the 7-8th centuries.

[ultra]

Well, not knowing the history is very sad !!! The ancestors of the Hungarians are warlike semi-nomadic herders, the ancestral home of which are the steppe regions east of the Urals. The separation of proto-Hungarians from the Praugor community is usually correlated with the appearance of the Sargat archaeological culture. Unlike their closest linguistic relatives - the Khanty and Mansi who remained in the taiga - the Hungarians went into the steppe and began to lead an almost nomadic way of life.

Around I thousand n. e. Hungarians migrated to the Lower Kama basin, later to the Black Sea and Azov steppes and were ruled by the Khazars and Bulgars. The ancient Hungarian tribal confederation consisted of seven actually Hungarian tribes and three allied ethnically Khazar clans, split from the Khazars under the name "Kavars". The earliest of reliable news about the Hungarians is contained in the chronicle of the Successor George Amartol, which tells about the participation of the Hungarians in the Bulgarian-Byzantine conflict of 836-838. In 896, under the leadership of Arpad and Kursan, they settled in Transylvania, from where they captured Pannonia and subsequently occupied the present lands of eastern Austria and southern Slovakia. Hungarians raided Western Europe.

[Dudu]

"Around the 836st millennium AD, the Hungarians migrated to the basin of the Lower Kama, later to the Black Sea and Azov steppes and were ruled by the Khazars and Bulgars. The ancient Hungarian confederation of tribes consisted of seven Hungarian tribes proper and three ethnically allied Khazar clans that broke away from Khazaria The earliest reliable news about the Hungarians is contained in the chronicle of the Successor George Amartol, who tells about the participation of the Hungarians in the Bulgarian-Byzantine conflict in 838-896. In XNUMX, under the leadership of Arpad and Kursan, they settled in Transylvania, from where captured Pannonia and subsequently occupied the present-day lands of eastern Austria and southern Slovakia. The Hungarians raided Western Europe. "
Quotations from a wiki or other semi-literate pedia should be cautious, otherwise everything turns out smoothly. Forest inhabitants have never become nomadic pastoralists, and even horse breeders. And Hungarians formed as a tribal union in the Azov steppes and lower Dnieper. The ancestral home is called Levedia - the lands of the lower Don. Initially, they came to Pannonia in the Balaton region (in Slovenian Blatno - a swamp). They were led by Bat Ugor, who was negotiating with Bishop Methodius, Brother of Constantine Cyril, enlightener of the Slavs, about the withdrawal of the Slavic population and the peaceful settlement of these lands by Hungarians. It is from Pannonia that they were already moving to other lands.
And I remind the rest of the rzhachs and minushers that historical processes are tied to modern geographical nominations, if they were not defined by their own names in the era under consideration.
I recommend going to the Hermitage or the State Historical Museum and looking at things of that era and comparing what happened on the lands of present-day Ukraine and what happened in the forests of Murom and to the north. Apart from the Kama region, which traded gold and silver with Iran and the Caliphate, there is nothing. Moreover, keep in mind that 80% of the most uncomfortable exhibits for the existing historical myth are hidden forever and inaccessible to almost anyone.

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Dudu

Moreover, keep in mind that 80% of the most uncomfortable exhibits for the existing historical myth are hidden forever and inaccessible to almost anyone.

I'm afraid to ask, but you're probably from Initiates ™, since you saw these wonderful artifacts? I do not presume to evaluate the historical accuracy of your post, but in my personal opinion, your expression:

Quote: Dudu

... in the lands present Ukraine...

instead of "Ancient Ukraine-Rus", speaks eloquently about the shortcomings of modern Ukrainian" historians "in the matter of propaganda. Respectfully.

[Dudu]

"I'm afraid to ask, but you are probably from the Initiates ™, since you have seen these wonderful artifacts? I do not presume to assess the historical accuracy of your post, but in my personal opinion, your expression:"
You should never be afraid, especially to learn something useful.
For clarity: at the end of the 19th century. The burial of Khan Kubrat, the founder of the Great Bulgaria (Pereshchepinsky treasure) was found. According to the tradition of the nomads, everything was burned, but about 800 vessels of gold and silver remained. In Soviet times, the treasure was not published; Bulgaria was mentioned in passing and very quietly.
Only around 2000, at the insistence of the President of Tatarstan Shaimiev and with Tatar money, an album was published with a full description of the treasure. But the content of the treasure is the richest in Europe and there is nothing of the kind in sight. And Kubrat’s headquarters was located near modern Poltava. The history of the Turkic component in the formation of the ethnic group of Ukrainians is completely hushed up, despite the stone women and references in ancient monuments.
Another example is Kiev. In the ancient period, Arab travelers called Kiev a Muslim city. Archaeologists find many Muslim inscriptions - but all this is hushed up.
Scientists historians are not engaged in propaganda. They study history to the extent that it is accessible and do not hit on the head.

[Russian063]

Judging by the head of your power, KUYEV is rather a Jewish city ...

[sssla]

Quote: Russian063

Judging by the head of your power,

200 years later, historians on the excavations of Kiev will say- "There was a great country of Israel, because their rulers were the glorious Waltzmans, Bakai, Rabinovich Groisman, etc.")))))

[maai]

Quote: Dudu

Scientists historians are not engaged in propaganda. They study history to the extent that it is accessible.

To the extent that it is "available" for you now - it is better not to do it, do not clog the "attic" with garbage.

[maai]

I would also add about Lenin, who gave Ukraine half of Ukraine and on whose monuments they demonstrate the skills of "Neanderthals". Something they do not seek to "unfasten" all these lands in the manner of monuments and commemorative plaques.

[6 inches]

but you are not confused by such a name, the Finno-Ugric group of languages ​​.. have the Finns also run with the settlers?

[skeket]

Quote: Dudu

By the way, the Hungarians also left Ukraine in the 9th century, as did the Bulgarians in the 7-8th centuries.

neighing!))) How can you get out of what was not?

[lukke]

neighing!))) How can you get out of what was not?

And here you do not have to laugh! The topic is serious. Just when all the warriors of ancient ukrov dug the Black Sea, the Hungarians took advantage of the situation and fled.

[vapl21]

and the excavated land from the Black Sea was used for a large embankment, so probably the Carpathian Mountains were gradually formed

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Dudu

By the way, the Hungarians also left Ukraine in the 9th century, as did the Bulgarians in the 7-8th centuries.

Please tell me, in what century did the Yukateks led by their ataman Quetzalcoatl and made the outcome of the Jews with the centurion Moses? With respect.

[Abbra]

And this is a serious topic for a dissertation for the future title of doctor of historical sciences Krajina !!!

[PSih2097]

Quote: Abbra

And this is a serious topic for a dissertation for the future title of doctor of historical sciences Krajina !!!

thanks neighing ...

[revnagan]

Quote: Dudu

By the way, the Hungarians also left Ukraine in the 9th century, as did the Bulgarians in the 7-8th centuries.

Such would-be "historians" like you disgrace Ukraine, and give a reason to treat all Ukrainians as "kaklam" and "dill". What the hell is Ukraine in the 7-8 and 9th centuries. By the way, you will not tell which era "In general, stop digging the Black Sea and fill the Caucasus Mountains. Study more real historical sources, and less Khvoyka and Grushevsky. And you will be happy."

[Abbra]

Why are there Hungarians! The first Neo -ertals rode there in due time!

[Bezarius]

If Rusyns = Ukrainians, then Ukrainians = Russians.

[SOKOL777]

Dear Dudu!

Your knowledge in the history of Western Ukraine deserves attention.
In general, they coincide with the research of Lev Gumilyov. By the way, I advise all forum users to read the book "From Russia to Russia".

But I give you "Zero".
Plus for knowing the story.
Minus for "Judeo-Communards".
Your father or grandfather was a communist. And you have no right to delete this fact from history.

For example: Demolition of monuments to V.I. Lenin in Ukraine does not mean at all that the decrees on the formation of Ukraine signed by him will be destroyed.

By the way, under the "Judeo-Communards" we were brothers.

Remember, dear, YOUR BROTHER IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, BUT HE IS YOUR BROTHER ...

[Dudu]

For SOKOL777.
Thank you for the thoughtful answer.
But with the Judeo-Communards you are wrong. We are not talking about the Jews, they were also mowed down, like the rest of the population. These are the fosterlings of Leiba Bronstein-Trotsky. It was Trotsky who initiated the so-called Ukrainization, when the speech of the Ukrainians was "modernized" according to the Galician-Polish model, turning it into "Mova".
After that, all significant Ukrainian intelligentsia was exiled and shot, as they understood what was happening under the slogan of "Ukrainization". Then there was the Holodomor - weather conditions were superimposed on the total robbery of the rural population, which was staged by the Jews. You can find the names of those who ruled in Ukraine in the 20-30s. Stalin cleared them out later.
And now a Jewish Khaganate was being built in Ukraine, but the Americans intervened and decided that it was better to set everyone against each other. Well, there is material in abundance on the Russian side too. Judging by the remarks, many here are already zombie and ripened to deep hatred of others and serve as excellent material in the civil war.

[navigator]

"But now a Jewish kaganate was under construction in Ukraine, but the Americans intervened and decided that it was better to set everyone against each other."

And what, pin.dos removed Waltsman, Bokay, Etinson, Groisman, Avakov and other Jews?
As for bullying, this audience is also without pin.dos, like raukas in a bank are biting to death.

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Dudu

Judging by the remarks, many here are already zombie and ripened to deep hatred of others and serve as excellent material in the civil war.

To civil war? Please explain who and whom here, on VO, promised to calculate by IP and multiply by zero. If you mean "civil war" with Ukraine, then this is no comment at all. And about "zombies", so I confess, there was a sin. I remember that in 2000, early 2001, he offended, succumbing to propaganda, a couple of honest Ukrainian lads, although they fought in Basayev's gang, but this is not a reason ..., and they shot at us not out of malice, but in a fit of fraternal feelings ...
All 23 years of its independence, Ukraine lived according to the principle: "Brother, let me devour, otherwise I have nothing under the door for you."... At the same time, in spite of everything, we, Russians, and Russians in general, treated you like brothers, believing that a small group of ghouls "muddied the waters" (now they call such "kalami"), but the rest are BROTHERS. But the current events in the media space show a different picture, the ability to hear something decent from a Ukrainian about Russia, not to mention constructive, tends to zero. Now, indeed, 50% of Runet is one continuous "khokhlosrach", but this, in my opinion, is just the reaction of Russians to those streams of shit that Ukrainians pour out. You (Ukrainians), of course, are accustomed to carrying all Russophobic and anti-Russian nonsense for 23 years, but are accustomed to the irresponsibility of your outpourings, therefore what is happening now greatly "surprises" you, but, as they say: - "what is hello, so is the answer." Therefore, if you want to spit in the face of hate-mongers, turn on any Ukro-TV channel and spit on your health. With respect.

[Dudu]

“All 23 years of its independence, Ukraine lived according to the principle:“ Brother, let me devour, otherwise I have nothing at the door for you. ”At the same time, in spite of everything, we Russians, and Russians in general, were you, as brothers, believing that a small group of ghouls are "muddying the waters" (nowadays they call such "kaklami"), but the rest are BROTHERS.But current events in the media show a different picture, the opportunity to hear something decent from a Ukrainian about Russia , not to mention constructive, tends to zero. Now, indeed, 50% of Runet is one continuous "hohlosrach", but this, in my opinion, is only the reaction of Russians to those streams of shit that Ukrainians are pouring out. You (Ukrainians) are certainly used to carrying all Russophobic and anti-Russian nonsense for 23 years, but have become accustomed to the irresponsibility of your outpourings, so what is happening now, you are very "surprised", but, as they say: - "what a hello, so is the answer." Therefore, if you want to spit in the face of hate speech, turn on any channel Ukro-TV and spit onhealth. With respect."

For all 23 years, the people of Ukraine have been pouring so much shit every day that you never dreamed of, but from this no one rushed to "mo with kaley", except those who genetically hated everyone and the Ukrainians themselves, including in the first place.
Unfortunately, some of the youth managed to deceive, lured by bullshit. But if you knew how many different specialists worked here to spread rubbish, you would be very surprised that the people of Ukraine have not yet moved their minds and have no doubt that any misfortune will have an inevitable end.
But many visitors to this site are not on friendly terms with their heads. Proof of this is your statement about "let me devour ...". Nobody here fed from Russia, except for the oligarchs who were stirring up the Russian elite. Here everyone works by themselves, ripped off and ripped off from all sides. And if there are workers from Ukraine in Moscow and you are dissatisfied with them, expel them and take their place for the same salary with the same productivity and with the same humiliation.
Well, it is not sensible to judge a country by media space - it has not belonged to Ukraine for a long time. There are some corrupt people who understand that only now and here they will cut down a little dough on primitive and stupid things. But there is one caveat - this space is controlled on both sides by the same groups that manipulate other people's brains if their owners cannot use them.

[6 inches]

if I hadn’t served in 91, I would have believed you. but we had a few zapadentsev in the regiment. so it’s not only 23 years old ..

[klavyr]

But many visitors to this site are not friends with their heads ...

apparently you made a mistake with the site return to the "censor" and continue to zig the great ukr, who dug the Black Sea and filled the Caucasus Mountains

[fyvaprold]

Quote: klavyr

apparently you made a mistake with the site, return to the "censor" and continue to zig the great ukr, who dug the Black Sea and filled the Caucasus Mountains

You are wrong, garbage dumps, like "Censor", will not teach good, but on VO, albeit slightly biased, but objective information. IMHO. So it's better to learn goodness here than on the "Censor" of hatred. With respect.

[Russian063]

If a person WANTS TO UNDERSTAND and Study, then not on the "censor" of course. Pan Dudu is apparently very divorced from reality and does not go out into the street ... look out and look at the massive nature of the nat. marches. ETOGES how much each participant in the processions Russian shit personally !!! the mind is not comprehensible .. we need to be ashamed and die?
But the truth is .. until the last .. until the Maidan, we Russians, you ghouls, brothers were considered ....

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Dudu

But many visitors to this site are not friends... Proof of this is your statement about "let me devour ..."

Maybe you're right, I'm not a psychiatrist.

Quote: Dudu

No one from Russia ate here, except for the oligarchs, who were mutilating with the Russian elite. Here everyone works on their own, stripped and stripped from all sides

As they say there: "do not confuse country с power"? So," let me devour ... "- the words of the state, and" hutin-puylo "- the land. By the way, the oligarchs-thieves were sent to you from Russia? Or discounts on gas, which was cheaper than in Russia," Russian if the Kremlin appoints the rulers, thieves, oligarchs, then what power, in general, can we talk?
The Ukrainians are always to blame, except for the Ukrainians themselves, they do not elect rulers, they are appointed to them, in the media space, there are also only "sent Cossacks" working and crap spirited Ukrainians in their unclouded mind. AROUND ENEMIES, WE WILL ALL DIE! PUTIN-X ...! 111 And so on.

Quote: Dudu

And if in Moscow there are workers from Ukraine and you are unhappy with them, expel them and take their place for the same salary with the same productivity and the same humiliation.

I don’t have the habit of dividing people according to ethnicity, and I don’t ask people when we meet their nationality, I was brought up according to the good old Russian principle - THERE ARE NO BAD NATIONS, THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE, SHAMING THEIR PEOPLE. However, it has become easy to identify a Ukrainian, recently in Russia, out of many (not all, not even the majority) "Ukrainians" are still rushing, then in Sheremetyevo the UPA mottos are screaming, then the Eternal Flame or some memorial, they will defile with their bestial slogans and Nazi symbols , it is against such "svidomih hulks", as a rule, the people speak out. Go to Russia, look for calls to hang or cut someone, insulting and humiliating inscriptions about Ukrainians. I think you won't find it if you don't write it yourself (just kidding).

Quote: Dudu

take their place for the same salary with the same productivity and the same humiliation.

Explain, do they keep Ukrainians in chains, beat them with a whip and pay with food in the form of gruel? I worked together with the Ukrainians, they earned no less than mine, and they earn to this day, I communicated well with them and I still communicate, no one "segregated" them and in no way infringed them. So you yourself confirm your own words about "brain manipulation".

[fyvaprold]

In one post did not fit.

Quote: Dudu

There are some corrupt people who understand that only now and here they will cut down a little dough on primitive and stupid things. But there is one caveat - this space is controlled on both sides by the same groups that manipulate other people's brains if their owners cannot use them.

A controversial question, but quite admissible, only why, if this is so, are Ukrainians - Russians suggesting the "gilyak", but not vice versa. Is this some kind of oligarchic BDSM media conspiracy? Morality is not only and not so much the fault of the "injecting shit into the brain," but of the owners of these brains themselves. And what does Ukraine own, what does it control, and what influence does it yield, I assure you, the guilt of Russians is a little less than not at all. IMHO. With respect.

[navigator]

"But many visitors to this site are not on friendly terms with their heads. This is evidenced by your statement about" let me devour ... ". Nobody here fed from Russia, except for the oligarchs, who were stirring up the Russian elite. Everyone works here, robbed and ripped off from And if there are workers from Ukraine in Moscow and you are dissatisfied with them, expel them and take their place for the same salary with the same productivity and with the same humiliation.

What oligarchs, what Moscow. All over Russia, according to the most conservative estimates of 5 million. thunderous people. How many people squinting from the draft have come over the past six months. You shouldn’t sing about the performance of the song, I saw cottages built by zapadentsami. As for humiliation, who called. Suitcase-station-ukro.piya. There will be honor and respect for the heroes.

[maai]

Quote: Dudu

All 23 years the people of Ukraine poured shit every day so much that you never dreamed ... ...

I'll tell you a tale about military secrets, Malchish-Kibalchish and his hard word!

... the Red Army drove away the white troops of the damned bourgeois, and it became quiet in those broad fields, in green meadows, where rye grew, where buckwheat blossomed ...

Quote: Dudu

But if you knew how many different rubbish specialists worked here,

And who is to blame !? You have 20 years as an independent state with its own rules and worldview. Reaping your lack of caliber and shortsightedness.
It was you who surrendered Russia, not Russia to you. We then stand for the people to the last.

... Hey, get up! shouted the rider. - The trouble came, from where they did not wait. The damned bourgeois attacked us from behind the Black Mountains. Again, bullets are already whistling, and shells are again tearing. Our detachments fight with the bourgeois, and the messengers rush to call for help the distant Red Army ...

Quote: Dudu

And if in Moscow there are workers from Ukraine and you are unhappy with them, expel them and take their place for the same salary with the same productivity and the same humiliation.

We do not need to cry for a long time ourselves with mazolas. Who fought for what - he got it. Slightly you pressed your own - now swimming.

... the Malchish sees that one old grandfather a hundred years old came out of the gate. Grandfather wanted to raise a rifle, but he’s so old that he won’t pick it up. Grandfather wanted to fasten the saber, but he is so weak that he will not fasten it. Then the grandfather sat on the blockage, bowed his head and cried ...
It was necessary to stifle weak-willedness, Bandera and other heresy in yourself, and you were merciless.

... Then the bourgeoisie rejoiced, quickly wrote Malchish-Plohish into their bourgeoisie and gave him a whole barrel of jam and a whole basket of cookies ...
You led on a bullshit, a box of cookies and a jar of jam. You should not be friends with bandits under any circumstances.

... Malchish-Plohish sits, eats and rejoices ...
- America is with us! Many shouted and shout.
With you, with you! Like the whisper of democracy !? Congratulations!
...
... And Malchish-Kibalchish was buried on a green hillock near the Blue River. And they put a big red flag over the grave.

Steamboats are sailing - hello to the Boy!
Pilots fly by - hello to the Boy!
Steam engines run - hello to the Boy!
And the pioneers will pass - salute to the Boy!

[maai]

Quote: Dudu

Judging by the replicas, many here are already zombie and have matured to deep hatred for others ...

You are mistaken, we are not malicious

... and serve as excellent material in the civil war

you have enough of this material that you export it

[Mic1969]

Dudu, you would have listened less to powder with his medieval, European Ukraine-Russia. And then after all, so soon before the protoucre with dill, agree or before digging the Black Sea.
And if you believe modern Ukrainian historians, then the Hungarians are more likely to us "Ugro-Tatars" relatives and not blue-eyed and bluish-nosed "ukroarytsam".

[navigator]

"By the way, the Hungarians also left Ukraine in the 9th century, as did the Bulgarians in the 7-8th centuries."

Where did you read this? There is a version that, on the contrary, they came from Siberia to the Middle Danube plain and to the Carpathians. And their language belongs to the Finno-Ugric family of languages ​​in which it, together with the Mansi and Khanty languages, forms an Ugric group. And there is nothing common He doesn’t have an Eastern Slavic group. Indeed, ALL the great Ukrainians did: they dug up the Black Sea and gave the start to other nationalities, and they beat her once under something.

[Rusich1980]

Dear, learn the materiel. Hungarians (Magyars) come from the Urals, from the peoples of the Finno-Ugric family. Khanty and Mansi are related to them, and in Europe they founded the first lands at the beginning of our era in the future Transylvania. Modern Bulgarians arose as a result of a mixture of three previously existing ethnic groups: the Bulgars, who were brought to the Danube by the son of Khan Kubrat, Khan Asparuh, also the tribes of Slavs who lived on the lands of present Bulgaria, where the Bulgars actually came, and who lived on the lands of the current Bulgarian state of the Thracians.
If the Rusyns were under different peoples, then this does not mean that the people have degenerated. For example, the Serbs have long been under the Ottoman Empire. However, they cannot be called Ottoman Turks. You would have called the Luga Serbs Germans.

[constantin.kiselev2014]

And Ukrainians are ordinary Russians, who settled on the edge of Russia, but then imagined themselves to be the navel of the planet, but at the same time they had them: Austro-Hungarians, Poles and all and sundry!

[ssn18]

Questions as a connoisseur of history:
1. The first mention of Ukrainians in the world media ?;
2. Nationality T.G. Shevchenko ?;
3. Nationality of Lesya Ukrainka ?;
4. The origin of the word "COOHOL" ?;
5. The meaning of the word Ukrainian until 1917.
I look forward to answers !!!
To stimulate the timing of the response, my surname is far from "Ivanov" and ends with "ko", but in life I am a coloradovat.

[fyvaprold]

Quote: ssn18

Questions as a connoisseur of history:

Let me take the exam, otherwise I didn’t find the exam because of age :
1)Here I am a layman, I repent.
2)Little Russians.
3)Rusinka.
4)Apparently because of the Ottoman osledlets (not sure).
5)A nation in Austria-Hungary (the sought-for Bandera was recorded as "Ukrainian") professing Uniatism. In Russia - a resident of the outskirts, in the older version - "border guard".
With respect.

[Russian063]

Your knowledge of history is excellent .... Apparently, you have finished the Ukrainian school in the last 10-15 years ...

[ssn18]

If you are this to me, then I have to disappoint, I graduated from school in 1978.

[gav6757]

By the way, the Hungarians also left Ukraine in the 9th century, as did the Bulgarians in the 7-8th centuries.
I would like to understand how they entered Ukraine?
I ask a question in connection with the absence of Ukraine in the indicated period of time, in place.
I came, there was a notice - "All Great Ukrainians have gone to dig the Black Sea! Hungarians or Bulgarians will come, let them pass by!"

[NEXUS]

Quote: Starover_Z

Rusyns, in my understanding, are rooted in Ancient, Kievan Rus.

The main thing is that in Kiev, Odessa 2 may not be repeated. Natsiks languishing from idleness in Kiev are not cut dogs. And with all this, we must admit that the Rusyns are brave guys.

[SOKOL777]

"May 2" takes place every day in Ukraine.
The chaos that happens there has no analogues ...

The people of Ukraine are not Kiev! These are small cities, villages, towns ...
That's where the homeland is ...

Believe me, I have a connection, I own information ...

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Starover_Z

Rusyns, in my understanding, are rooted in Ancient, Kievan Rus.
And in this case, modern, independent kaklam should liberate Kiev from its presence!
To start !

Rusyns come from Galician Rus and Transcarpathia, Poland, Romania, etc., but they have nothing to do with Kievan Rus (Novgorod-Kiev, "Gardariki"). By the way, Lesya Ukrainka and Ivan Franko were exactly Rusyns, like many other "famous Ukrainians". With respect.
PS:No autonomy threatens the Rusyns, because even the gypsies will envy their dispersal throughout Europe (the continent, and not the US colony in the form of the EU). IMHO.

[Bkmz]

Kievan Rus is not a country, it is a historical period, a period of time.

[41 REGION]

Quote: svp67

A couple of dozen people, of course not all Rusyns, but a drop wears away a stone ... And

One thing I did not understand in the photo there is a poster "Yanukovych stop repressions" when was that?

[svp67]

Quote: 41 REGION

when was that?

Photos are clearly March, but the shoot is fresh

[41 REGION]

Quote: svp67

Photos are clearly March, but the shoot is fresh

I can't watch the filming now, but the photo with the inscription on the poster "Yanukovych stop the repressions" if March, then what year? Yanukovych migrated from Ukraine on February 22, 2014

[svp67]

Quote: 41 REGION

if March, then what year?

This, 2015. They've had this "booze" since March. And why March, just look at how they are dressed and compare with the video. It's hot in Ukraine now, and not only politically

[Kos_kalinki9]

Quote: svp67

Quote: 41 REGION

if March, then what year?

This, 2015. They've had this "booze" since March. And why March, just look at how they are dressed and compare with the video. It's hot in Ukraine now, and not only politically

But still, where did March2015, which escaped in 2014, Yanukovych and the request to stop his repression?

[41 REGION]

Yanukovych

Quote: svp67

This, 2015. They've had this "booze" since March.

Yanukovych migrated in February 2014, and in March 2015 they walk around with a poster “Yanukovych stop the repression? I do not understand something ?

[svp67]

Quote: Kos_kalinki9

But still, where did March2015, which escaped in 2014, Yanukovych and the request to stop his repression?

Quote: 41 REGION

Yanukovych migrated in February 2014, and in March 2015 they walk around with a poster "Yanukovych stop the repression? I don't understand why?"

And what is there to understand, the old photo of 2014 was just used and that’s it ... now it’s easy to verify.

[Alex rus]

That's right, when you need to identify the problem, the number does not play a role ... I think that if needed, Peter Getsko will mobilize a lot more Rusyns.

[crumb]

last photo - and what does Yanukovych have to do with it? or this fot is eleven years old?

[Zhekson]

some old pictures. It says on the poster - Yanukovych - stop the repression!

[vsoltan]

The process went on increasing. ...

[Baikonur]

Now, if so, Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkiv and others had fallen apart to help Novorossia, so that there would not be enough for all the miserable dill in Ukraine! You look and everything would be decided by itself! Exactly and honestly!

[ssn18]

Yes, it is not necessary to disintegrate, but to unite. The disintegrated side can strike only with a spread five, the result is a fracture of the fingers, the strike must be struck with a combined force, i.e. fist - the truth known to any first-year cadet.

[4 wheels]

Quote: vsoltan

The process went on increasing. ...

Project "Ukrainian patchwork quilt".
Everyone pulls it towards themselves and it bursts at the seams.
Is there a strong and sane "tailor" to put it together and shake all the nits out of it?

[Basarev]

If only all the nits could be shaken out of Russia - there wouldn’t be such a laundress price!

[hyperion121]

What for? Let it split, artificial education is not viable, in a single form it can only be against Russia.

[Imperialkolorad]

Many people have already expressed their reluctance to live in this Nazi state.

[Mountain shooter]

As contradictions and economic difficulties increase, centrifugal tendencies will also increase. The thieving dill junta is no longer suitable for anyone. Dill will still recall Yanukovych with longing.

[kursk87]

Who wants to be under the yoke of the fascist government of Ukraine, which is under the hood of the west. The Ukrainian government is pursuing an anti-people policy to please western patrons.

[Basarev]

But in Russia, with the exception of genocide, everything is exactly the same. For the nobility in the person of Dvortsovich and Yakunin, the words "Motherland" and "people" do not exist.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Basarev

But after all in Russia, with the exception of genocide, everything is exactly the same. For the nobility in the person of Dvortsovich and Yakunin there are no words "Motherland" and "people"

Indicate, if you can, at least one country in the present world where there is none. Korea, China, Ancient Rome and other exotic - do not lead

[MIKHALYCH1]

Rusyns (read about them) are not afraid to speak openly ..!

[vvvvv]

Yeah, and write on the poster "Yanukovych Stop Repression" ...
But in reality, all the key figures have already expressed that the Novorossiya project has been frozen - see the "Summaries of the Novorossiya militia" group, and even so you need to know such things.

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: vvvvv

Yeah, and write on the poster "Yanukovych Stop Repression" ...
But in reality, all the key figures have already expressed that the Novorossiya project has been frozen - see the "Summaries of the Novorossiya militia" group, and even so you need to know such things.

Sometimes you need to do this (freeze) so that the howling of the coyotes will subside ... Let the carcass of Ukraine be torn for now .. (when the lions surround them) Then they will tear ... And no one will leave with their stomach full ..! (In the animal world) Just a comparison ..

[Vadim237]

Kiev will not give them any status, but will be declared terrorists and sent there to the National Guard - and a new massacre.

[Hope1960]

Respect to the Rusyns! People stand for their rights, are not afraid of punishers! Good luck, you Rusyns! Russia is with you!

[kil 31]

Ukraine needs to think that it is a multifaceted country without a federation. I read somewhere that they also have their own radicals, they believe Stalin did not liberate the Carpathians, but enslaved. Everywhere there is enough g ....

[forester]

Two or three more centers of disagreement, and Ukraine will begin to tear. Galicia is the motherland and refuge of cowards, it is waiting for whose side it will win, with this it is clear that Transcarpathia is too multinational, the middle Ukraine is hathaskrain, it is not clear what Kharkov, Nikolaev, Kherson, Odessa, Zaporozhye are waiting for in the end? Yes, you get up and go out into the streets, there is no power for these demons to stop you.

[Major Yurik]

Quote: vsoltan

The process went on increasing. ...

In protokakl from the same name of RUSina, pediculosis and hysteria begin!

[fomkin]

For some time he lived in Transcarpathia. Favored places. Rusinov with 44 forcibly Ukrainized. But it looks like they perked up. The landlord said you are Transcarpathian, and we are Carpathian Rusyns.

[theadenter]

Sense? They do not want to fight. They want to drag their special status on conditions conquered by the heavy blood of New Russia. They declare themselves rarely, and in small numbers.
I am not against them, but they are really waiting for the fruits of others' struggle, so that they can only win.

[lukke]

Sense? They do not want to fight. They want to drag their special status on conditions conquered by the heavy blood of New Russia. They declare themselves rarely, and in small numbers.
I am not against them, but they are really waiting for the fruits of others' struggle, so that they can only win.

Moreover, their leader repeatedly came to Moscow, spoke, brought his point of view. He told me that everything was ready for them - parallel local authorities, people's militia, etc. were created. etc. (this is when the situation in the DPR and LPR became more acute). In general, the main leitmotif was - if Kiev does not give us what we ask - we will act in our own way and ....?! And nothing has changed

[theadenter]

That's what I’m talking about. I remember the speeches of Peter Getsko (what is his name?) On the air of anti-Maidan. And I remember what he said.

[a housewife]

I watched a film about Ruthenians. They were so bothered since the beginning of the 20th century that it was surprising that they even gave a voice. They were exterminated no less than the Nazis did the Jews. The first concentration camp was built by the Austrians for Ruthenians. They were killed right on the streets in just a few words in Russian that is, in fact, in Russian. They killed everyone, of any age, education or condition. Their language at the core (except for new words) is Church Slavonic. They say so - we pray in our mother tongue in the church. So many of them live in Poland, in Austria and Ukraine, it seems, and in Hungary. and everywhere they are considered to be a minority, their language is not prohibited, they study at it in their schools and universities, they have newspapers and radio. Not only in Ukraine!

[akudr48]

Russia should support the Rusyns informationally, financially and organizationally.

To help create and promote a powerful information resource on the Internet,
launch regular collections on Ruthenian themes through the central channels of Russian TV, as well as through Russia Today, ...

But they will not help. To save partners in Kiev.

[MIKHALYCH1]

Thank you Lee Pen ..! We are beginning to understand this all, finally .. Alaska is still there, there are many Russians and Buryats. Chukchi .. All of us!

[kompotnenado]

Well done! It is shameful to be Ukrainian. Ukrainian is vile, evil, stupid. Ukrainian is the one who rips open the belly of pregnant women and hangs young children on barbed wire.

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: kompotnenado

Well done! It is shameful to be Ukrainian. Ukrainian is vile, evil, stupid. Ukrainian is the one who rips open the belly of pregnant women and hangs young children on barbed wire.

Alas, you’re wrong .. I think you’re still not a troll. But just emotions .. It happens! You understand us too .. Natsiks are yours and they are doing there without rules! Seed them of course .. but they are becoming more and more! The EU doesn’t let them into its territory .. It’s driving east ... everything will be for you both food and earnings .. Or am I wrong?

[ssn18]

Mikhalych! Ukrainians are also different, regardless of territoriality. Kamenets Podolsky (15 km. From Poland) 1993 A local guy, a simple adjuster at a dairy plant: "We got the bagels out", "Who’s Stas roguly?"
"Those who came from the village yesterday and do not understand and speak Russian."
Further explanations I think are pointless.
It all starts with education. With trifles, such as which side of the sidewalk to go on. And this is already given with mother's milk.

[victorrat]

Lord! Is it really difficult to remember and not repeat the fabrications of Kievan Rus, which has never been. This term was invented by the historian Solovyov. There was Rus created by the Novgorod princes. And why is this Moscow - this is not Russia? The heiress of Kiev, Vladimir, Suzdal is the capital of Russia. And this Kiev was destroyed correctly. For 477, it became clear that Vladimir’s places are better. The capital on the edge of the state is not being made.
And the "Ukrainians" turned into fascists. There will be a new Nuremberg. Documents about their atrocities are being collected.
I think that on a historical scale, everything is moving towards the collapse of the artificially created country. And we want to hurry up.

[Alfer]

The Rusyns came out. The Rusyns are demanding something there. But is it nothing that those Rusyns voluntarily fight in the Donbass?

[a housewife]

And there the Russians are fighting on the side of the dill. And the Belarusians, and the Georgians, and ... but you never know who? They showed two brothers. Mulattoes. Mom from Donetsk, dad from Africa. We arrived. One is fighting on the side of the DPR, the other is composing rap against the "separatists" on the other side. In civil wars at all times in all countries there is enough of this. Some got confused, others got angry for something, others are just stupid b-s-d-l-o, sadists, bloodthirsty creatures. These have generally lost the right to be of any nationality! Because I still think that bad nationalities No! And a lot depends on propaganda and ignorance. The same Austrians who exterminated the Rusyns have now provided them with equal living in Austria with other citizens.

[MIKHALYCH1]

The clip is famous .. I think very much to the article ..

[Shiva83483]

Well Mikhalych, they were not thrown. They created all the prerequisites themselves in order to be thrown ...

[4ekist]

Autonomy for Rusyns from the Maidan Shizodibil.

[a housewife]

Quote: Dudu

ripened to deep hatred of others and serve as excellent material in the civil war.

For what others? If for those who are salivating with hatred, what do they want in return? And the civil war is not ours! And what to do is to let all abominations go away? They allowed me to. I'm tired of everything. he doesn’t go on to insults. He risks getting it. I don’t know which system with flags? Why do they put different flags for me? I live in Russia. I agree on red, was born in the Union. What does the others have to do with it?

[zurbagan63]

And Rusyns, who is this? Tell the poor Guard

[Was mammoth]

For the first time I learned that there are people who call themselves Rusyns back in the middle of the 80s, as they did in the Middle Ages from an art book. He was interested a little. For example, they demand to consider them as a separate people in modern Ukraine. The main thing that I understood was that they have not been broken over centuries of imposing Catholicism surrounded by Poles, Germans, Hungarians. And this is a fortitude. They inspire respect.

[bolik]

Here you can read:

http://svpressa.ru/politic/news/95864/

[Supervised]

Rusyns are also "g ... o" like all Bulgarians, Serbs, etc.! Russians are alone in this world! And our strength is in ourselves. And the news itself is nonsense!

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Supervised

Rusyns are also "g ... o" like all Bulgarians, Serbs, etc.! Russians are alone in this world! And our strength is in ourselves. And the news itself is nonsense!

Serbs what offended you? With respect.

[Alfer]

And what those Serbs did good for Russia. In addition to literally dragging our king, obsessed with the Slavic brotherhood, into the First World War. How it all ended, everyone knows. Serbs somehow didn’t know us after the Second World War. They all looked at West. Look at the relations of the USSR and Yugoslavia. Now these brothers are in full swing to the European Union and NATO. Here you are both Serbs and other brothers. As the saying goes. God save us from such friends. And we will figure it out with enemies ourselves. In general, we it’s enough to search among any rabble, Bulgarians, Serbs, Montenegrins and other Ukrainians and Belarusians friends.

[6 inches]

if Nikolashka was the king and not a rag, they wouldn’t drag him anywhere. And the Serbs here are also on the side. You don’t have to blame others.

[Alfer]

If only, yes .. History: teach. Hurray - a patriot of horseradish. Or easier, a little different from the same nerds with an independent.

[6 inches]

you kid where taught to be rude? where you tried to learn history, I taught it ... an active user of pedivics ...

[fyvaprold]

Quote: 6 inches

where you tried to learn history I taught her.

The flaw came out, Dear, it was necessary to introduce the rods, as an additional material on the history and washing the mouth with laundry soap, for foul language. With respect.

[6 inches]

i will fix it ...

[Alfer]

In general, you are a worthless teacher. If you don’t know how the Serbs dragged Russia into the First World War. These are the teachers who taught us that all of us are Slav brothers and sisters.

[6 inches]

apparently I know a little more than that pair of picture books that you could master .. you have no brothers and sisters among the Slavs. for a goose a pig is not a friend.

[6 inches]

nothing you respectfully .. there is nothing to respect ...

[Vades]

Quote: Dudu

"I'm afraid to ask, but you are probably from the Initiates ™, since you have seen these wonderful artifacts? I do not presume to assess the historical accuracy of your post, but in my personal opinion, your expression:"
You should never be afraid, especially to learn something useful.
For clarity: at the end of the 19th century. The burial of Khan Kubrat, the founder of the Great Bulgaria (Pereshchepinsky treasure) was found. According to the tradition of the nomads, everything was burned, but about 800 vessels of gold and silver remained. In Soviet times, the treasure was not published; Bulgaria was mentioned in passing and very quietly.
Only around 2000, at the insistence of the President of Tatarstan Shaimiev and with Tatar money, an album was published with a full description of the treasure. But the content of the treasure is the richest in Europe and there is nothing of the kind in sight. And Kubrat’s headquarters was located near modern Poltava. The history of the Turkic component in the formation of the ethnic group of Ukrainians is completely hushed up, despite the stone women and references in ancient monuments.
Another example is Kiev. In the ancient period, Arab travelers called Kiev a Muslim city. Archaeologists find many Muslim inscriptions - but all this is hushed up.
Scientists historians are not engaged in propaganda. They study history to the extent that it is accessible and do not hit on the head.

So did the Golden Horde stomp around the territory of present-day Ukraine? And then Svidomo sing songs that they are purebred Slavs, and the Russians are entirely descendants of the Mongol-Tatars. Or did the Mongol-Tatars, before filling up the girl, checked her nationality in her passport and didn’t touch the Ukrainians?

[alone]

“Yanukovych, stop repressions !!” And the article talks about the Carpathian Ruthenians, who demand autonomy from Kiev)))

This is fraud, misinformation !! Not a shame, huh?

[Zionist23]

as soon as the legitimate authority is established in areas of self-proclaimed gangster enclaves, this is the only way that even some repentant villains and murderers will be granted amnesty

[bomg.77]

Alexey Mozgovoy died in an attempt.

[twincam]

Quote: lonely

“Yanukovych, stop repressions !!” And the article talks about the Carpathian Ruthenians, who demand autonomy from Kiev)))

This is fraud, misinformation !! Not a shame, huh?

+1, also drew attention to this.

[Sergey-8848]

You are about (many) people there. Where were you near Transnistria? All 25 years old? People who decide their fate live (grieve), but they immediately decided their question. And you - all go, and ask where to stumble, for whom to vote. Well, be Rusyns if you want, and you will not see the will.

[ssn18]

Well, more than an hour passed, and a connoisseur of Dudu history was blown away, there are no answers.
And I dug this topic not for the sake of idle interest, but for the sake of getting to the bottom of the genialogy of my father, his earthly kingdom. The question is that I wondered how it could be that the father, his brother, who died in the Second World War, and three sisters, born in the village of Veliko-Mikhailovka, Veliko-Mikhailovsky district, Belgorod region. turned out to be of different nationalities. The father and the deceased brother are Russians, and the sisters are Ukrainian (yes, they all married Donetsk men). Everything turned out to be simple, the Ukraine project, i.e. forcible Ukrainization of the population. Here I must say a special thank you to Khrushchev. Well, I think we'll rake it. And if you remember that before 1917 all the peoples of Central Asia were called "Muslim", that is, Muslims. And there were no Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Azerbaijanis. They didn't even have surnames, they were assigned by the name of their father. And everyone lived in peace and harmony. And after the division into nationalities, after the collapse of the USSR, graters began in this region, which continue to this day. (Karbakh does not count)
Here it is the national policy of the USSR and its consequences ....

[Zionist23]

Quote: Starover_Z

Rusyns, in my understanding, are rooted in Ancient, Kievan Rus.
And in this case, modern, independent kaklam should liberate Kiev from its presence!
To start !

the fifth column of traitors of Ukraine and an independent one, it’s a pity there aren’t there Varkuta or Mogadan for the enemies of the people

[Fish supervision]

VARUTA and MOGADAN are not the worst thing for YOUR ancestors, believe me

[exalex2]

Of course, you can demand, that's just from someone .. You can win a "special" status but never get it. There are no such gifts.

[pticas]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Kos_kalinki9

But still, where did March2015, which escaped in 2014, Yanukovych and the request to stop his repression?

Quote: 41 REGION

Yanukovych migrated in February 2014, and in March 2015 they walk around with a poster "Yanukovych stop the repression? I don't understand why?"

And what is there to understand, the old photo of 2014 was just used and that’s it ... now it’s easy to verify.

By the way, please, pay attention to the caption under the photo "archive photo".
Rusyns have long been looking for the truth.

[press officer]

Quote: Dudu

In addition to the Kama region, which traded with gold and silver with Iran and the Caliphate, there is nothing

So ... here about the Kama region, there is no need to compose fairy tales about the "white bull"! Don't make me laugh with your "new story"