GAZ announced its intention to supply Tigr-M for the Ministry of Defense at the end of the year

The GAZ Group intends to supply the Ministry of Defense modernized lightweight Tiger-M armored vehicles of its own production (MIC, Arzamas) at the end of the year, said Alexander Filatov, the general director of Russian Machines, on Friday.

Filatov also said that at present, the capacity of the plant in Arzamas makes it possible to produce about 100 Tiger-made armored vehicles a year. The company is considering the possibility of expanding production by the second half of the 2013 year to 500 units, reports Interfax.
The company also collects a civilian version of this armored car. The price ranges from 3 million rubles.

"Tiger-M" is a modernized version of the light armored car "Tiger", which is currently operated by the troops. The armored car is designed to transport personnel and cargo, as well as for the installation of various types of weapons. The upgraded version has a more powerful engine, in addition, it eliminated a number of disadvantages of the first version of the car.

Comments

[Vadivak]

Well, it’s time, and then the Police Battalion of Special Operations of Brazil (Rio de Janeiro) in March received an armored car GAZ-233036 "Tiger" SPM-2., And we are all waiting for something, we are probably embarrassed without foreign label

[Rustam]

Brazil's Special Operations Police Battalion (Rio de Janeiro) received ear in March
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he did not get anything !!! since October last year, evaluation tests were carried out in RIODEZHANEIRO, after which, after the LAAD-2011 exhibition, a copy went to URUGUAY for testing

[Rustam]

Yes, and in URUGUAY he liked the local police and in June a contract was signed !!! 1
the first batch has already been made and on the way (in the hold of the ship) to sunny URUGUAY !!!

[Vadivak]

Well, maybe I got a little excited, but from the bottom of my heart, “A contract for the purchase of Tigers is already ready, which can be signed in the near future. The Brazilian police plan to use such machines to ensure law and order at the 2014 World Cup and the 2016 Olympics, ”said a representative of the military-industrial complex.

[Rustam]

And I corrected you a little
ABOUT THE CONTRACT OF UNLIKELY-FRENCH AND SOUTH AFRICA REPRESENTED GOOD SAMPLES SCHA GOING TESTS IN BOPE

[zczczc]

Vadivak, in Brazil, residents are happy (!) to kill street children, because they form gangs. There is no need to say "it's time", because if it's "time" for us, then the crime situation in the country has sunk to Brazil.

But for the army he is far from being so good - there are other requirements: a sloping bottom, seats are attached to the ceiling.

This tiger is a police car. This is what kind of situation should be in the cities, so that they need such a secure machine? Think better about it.

[itr]

What about I can’t understand, but who will they carry in the army on these machines?
It hurts like a police car when breaking up demonstrations

[erix-xnumx]

I agree. The purpose of this non-floating armored car in the army is not entirely clear. As a command vehicle, it cannot be used. It will not be useful to scouts. As a base for ATGMs is also not very .... Only dissect through the Libyan deserts.

[Pol]

That's just as commanding and possible! Plus an indispensable device in urban conditions - high speed (higher than heavy armor). Removal of the wounded ... Special operations for stripping. Shooting range on marches .... ATGM - easy !!!!
And most importantly - ours !!!!!!!!!!!!

[erix-xnumx]

You can mount anything on this machine, but the question is, is it necessary? How can a commander or an ATGM mount be located on a chassis that is less passable than the rest of the combat equipment of a battalion, regiment, or brigade? And why did you decide that the speed of the Tiger, especially in combat in the city, is higher than the speed of an armored personnel carrier or an infantry fighting vehicle? And what is rifle cover on the marches? Who's cover? And after the marches, when the brigade goes on the offensive, where will these "Tigers" go?

[Pol]

the speed of the Tiger in the city, as well as maneuverability, is higher than your love (this is a car). rifle cover on marches - let’s recall the Agan, when the main goal was the head and closing heavy vehicles (to block the road) + tankers, in order to clamp and immobilize the convoy. here the Tigers would come in handy ....

[zczczc]

itr, exactly. Read above.

[Motherland]

Good news, at least 100 a year

[ZEBRASH]

I think it will be normal 250 per year for the army and 50 for the police

[Motherland]

I think it’s best to let them out as much as you need to replace and another supply

[erix-xnumx]

And for what purposes are they generally needed?

[Motherland]

The armored car is intended for the transport of personnel and cargo, as well as for the installation of various types of weapons.

[erix-xnumx]

Your answer is about nothing at all. Where to transport personnel? Under what conditions? For what purpose? And what will your bibika do with "different types" of weapons when crossing a water barrier? Wait patiently for the pontooners? Well, in figs you need such a vehicle for "various types of weapons"?

[Joker]

This car is much better than UAZ without any armor booster you ours. And for military intelligence there is a floating BTR-80.

[erix-xnumx]

Wouldn't you be rude to me, would you? You will see the Forrier in your family album. And for those who are on the armored train, I suggest, in combat conditions, neither the regiment commander, nor the brigade commander, nor the division commander had any UAZs! And there is no need to distort on this topic. Now about the intelligence units, it was not me who came up with what these "Tigers" are planning to supply to the intelligence officers, read the press.

[Joker]

Are we already on you? Well, I'm not proud.

Well, if you like the press so much, you probably read that it is supposed to have 3 types of brigades. Light on the Tigers, medium on wheeled vehicles (possibly BTR-90), and heavy on tracked vehicles.

As for the Tiger and UAZ. I say riding an armored Tiger is clearly better than an unarmored UAZ, and no one is going to abandon floating vehicles.

As for the Forcer, in this case I think this appeal is permissible, given your fanaticism in this matter. As for the family album - I'm waiting for an apology.

[erix-xnumx]

Nobody gave you the right to call me names in any way. Moreover, with such an audience. So I need to wait for an apology from you. Now, about who is driving what: I do not know where someone gets their knowledge about the army and military operations on this site, but I suggest that the battalion commander drives an BMP-1K, the commander of a regiment or brigade drives an R-145 (at the base BTR 60) "Chaika" or on the R-149 (based on the BTR-80) "Kushetka". The commander of a tank battalion or tank brigade rides a command tank. Now, about the fanaticism of forcing, I am revealing a military secret: in the European part of Russia, for every 100 km of terrain, there are on average 20-30 medium and small water barriers and 1-2 large ones.

And the light brigades on the "Tigers" are generally impassable nonsense.

[Joker]

Quote: Joker

Well, if you like the press so much, you probably read that it is supposed to have 3 types of brigades. Light on the Tigers, medium on wheeled vehicles (possibly BTR-90), and heavy on tracked vehicles.

Quote: Joker

and no one is going to refuse floating cars.

This machine is well suited for transportation in a sluggish conflict, that is, a "machine of the occupying forces."

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If I offended someone (although I don’t see something significant in my words), then you personally, and this does not give you the right to make ambiguous hints such as family albums, or am I wrong?

[erix-xnumx]

I am ready for any constructive dialogue. But I will stop any attempt to insult me ​​in the most severe way. Okay, I’m taking the words about the family album ... Just for the sake of reconciliation. :)

I consider the idea of ​​three types of motorized rifle brigades flawed, since our military leaders advocate for a small but mobile Armed Forces. That is, this implies the transfer of connections from one theater of operations to another. And in these conditions, it will be more difficult to select a unit for transfer against a specific enemy. And it is too wasteful to keep a separate type of technology for "sluggish conflicts".

[Joker]

For my part, I apologize, in no case did not want to offend.

As for the brigades and the structure - I will not argue, the question is very complicated, but I think that no one will deny the fact that armored vehicles are needed.

[erix-xnumx]

What kind of cars do you need? We have no modern BRDM in the army, no wheelbase for ATGMs, no normal ambulance. And then they sculpt Ala-Hammer. What for?

[Ivan Tarasov]

Not really, until now, the troops have not been replaced by BMP1 (!)?
It is sad.
Of course, the new BMPs should be non-floating, have a mass like a tank and are armed with 57mm automatic weapons, but special vehicles, the thing is different.
There is, not a bad base for such vehicles - BMP-3.
Twenty years, it was for rearmament, now they are left with nothing ...

[itr]

Not really what this car is for?
BMP BTR This is a truck that brings people to the battlefield and covers the advancing infantry, in any case it is written in the charter
And to press on this demonstrators! in your own country. And the wheelbase in it so that the asphalt does not spoil the repair of the spike is expensive.
How many seats does it have?

[erix-xnumx]

Yes, no one can clearly explain why this is a miracle of the automobile industry in the army. They mumble about some patrol actions ... and that’s it. Accompany caravans with stew and fuel ....

[Joker]

Quote: itr

How many seats does it have?

- there are different versions, maximum 1 + 8 like (driver + landing). But the driver in case of fire contact, as a rule, also dismounts.

[Motherland]

I don’t know about the places, the car is most likely to quickly get to the place, in the city or as a reconnaissance-patrol car, escort, well, to install something against the infantry or just an answer to the US hummers, but in general it’s also useful both army and police, the last most

[itr]

not enough for the infantry!
Yes, and how it will pass ditches
(BRDM-1) and for reconnaissance far
Okay, let’s take a shot, let the mortar carry or the gun is not big!

[erix-xnumx]

For these purposes there is "Nona" or "Vienna".

[ytqnhfk]

I want to remind you that the amers successfully use this class of vehicle in any operations (ground). Well, these cars drive and cover the infantrymen with light armor from the infantry and fragmentation of the enemy! Yes, and they calmly cross the bridges (controlling the territory)

[erix-xnumx]

This is the point that people can only cross bridges. And what kind of warfare is this "territory control"? The statement about ANY operations sounds too loud - the police actions in Iraq and Afghanistan can hardly be called serious operations. Although, if you study the issue deeper, you will be surprised to find that tanks and infantry fighting vehicles acted against Hussein's regular troops.

[Joker]

I will try to sound as briefly and at the same time as detailed:

If you do not take the “big war”, given which of course most weapons should be developed, in fact the last quarter of the twentieth century and the first decade of the twenty-first century, our country is somehow involved in local wars. You can criticize the technique for local wars as much as you like. I agree with the opinion that it is not always suitable for a big war. But if you look at the existing small wars, it becomes clear that the soldiers need armor, and not always on the tracks, but always at hand.

If it is exaggerated, litter for repetition, it’s better to go to the next checkpoint on an armored tiger than on a canvas UAZ (with all due respect to this car).

[erix-xnumx]

I repeat !!! Firstly, during the hostilities, no one drove and will not go on UAZs. Secondly, the "Tiger" is too big to be such an armored jeep. Thirdly, for the fighter there is already armor, this is an armored personnel carrier or an infantry fighting vehicle. Why do you need to change the APC to the "Tiger"? What is this non-armored vehicle for? Let the garbage and "vovans" ride these bibiks, and the motorized riflemen need full-fledged armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.

[ytqnhfk]

Nobody is going to change anything! They explained to you that this is a machine for the quick transfer of not a large number of foot soldiers! It’s mobile and not so expensive. In order to get to the block of the post you do not always need a tank or armored personnel carrier, bmp!

[erix-xnumx]

Are you kidding with such reasoning? How many foot soldiers? Do you even know what the capacity of the armored personnel carrier and the "Tiger" is? They are practically the same! And what is worse to ride an armored personnel carrier than a "Tiger"? What is more expensive? And in general, in your understanding, what are checkpoints, who is in charge of them? And on what technique?

[erix-xnumx]

Here's how to understand your phrase that no one is going to change anything? Where then will these "Tigers" go into service?

[ytqnhfk]

It meant replacing the BMP BTR with Tigers! As for the change, you said comets above!

[erix-xnumx]

That is, you propose to have two sets of equipment in service - for combat armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles, and for some mythical trips between checkpoints - "Tigers"? Do you understand what the so-called checkpoints are and who is in charge of them?

[ytqnhfk]

The Joker almost answered you! But from myself I want to add that you yourself answered your questions! The tank will not include 8 people and mobility is not that well, and when choosing goals, you will mark the tank!

[erix-xnumx]

Do you now understand what you wrote to me? Who has the wrong mobility? Are you saying that the Tiger's cross-country ability is better than that of a tank? Who will target which tank? Ferrets or dogs mark their territory. Or do you think that the stupid enemy will not realize that the "Tiger" in the battle line of tanks is a command vehicle? And how will the commander of a tank battalion lead his battalion into an attack in this armored car? What are you delirious about?

[ytqnhfk]

And we also noticed that the conflict in Libya showed that mobility and maneuverability + reduced losses! The "rebels" had rocket launchers right on the jeeps (ordinary jeeps)

[erix-xnumx]

And how is the mobility of the "Tiger" higher than the mobility of the armored personnel carrier? Rocket launchers in the bodies of the insurgent pickups had zero fire efficiency. And in general, NATO aircraft saved all this rags and shit from destruction. If not for her, Gaddafi would have dispersed all this barefoot in a day.

[ytqnhfk]

According to Gaddafi, he drove them for a long time that NATO came! Regarding "raving" this is my opinion and if you do not like it, then it does not give you the right to express yourself, I accept your opinion calmly and essentially answered (tried) to your questions on the topic of why they are needed at all! If you cannot calmly discuss the topic, then do not be nervous, I do not argue with you, I just voice my thoughts!

[erix-xnumx]

Tell me honestly, do you even imagine how military equipment is used in battle? If yes, then your statements are, to put it mildly, amazing. And if not, then it’s better to ask, rather than try to reason with a smart look about what you don’t know. If interested, ask, I will tell you. Military science is also a science. And not a set of clips from the TV.

[ytqnhfk]

Further, I see no reason to discuss!

[erix-xnumx]

For you, with your lack of knowledge on this issue, it would be better not to start this discussion at all. No offense.

[ytqnhfk]

There are no insults just tired! There is no point in this conversation!

[Joker]

I see no reason to continue the dialogue, but in the end I want to say. It is unrealistic to equip everyone and everywhere with armored personnel carriers, as well as ride them “for bread”. It’s obvious I can’t convince you, but still. Once again, this machine is primarily not for war but for local conflicts, where the probability of running into a mine is usually higher than the probability of an RPG. In this position, the bonnet arrangement also becomes advantageous. Take a wider view, not the theory of global confrontation.

[erix-xnumx]

I am not talking about the need to equip everyone with armored personnel carriers, but there is practically nothing to do with the Tiger in the army. Here are all sorts of riot police and VV, even if they ride horses or ride "Tigers", they have completely different tasks. Why did you decide that the likelihood of running into a mine or a shot from an RPG is higher in a local conflict than in a large-scale war? Can you imagine what is the use of cost center, for example, in defense, and what is the density of mining? As for the transportation of bread, this is generally a masterpiece! Do you want to turn the "Tiger" into a bread truck? Well, for this it is still suitable ...

[Rustam]

DREAMING IS NOT HARMFUL !!!!!!! TOTAL PRODUCTION PLAN FOR 2011-70 units - but also not bad

[Rustam]

Good news, at least 100 a year
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not one hundred but 40 UNITS WILL BE DELIVERED BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR
IN MAY OF THIS, THE FIRST PARTY OF 20 UNITS SENT TO DAGESTAN

[Varnaga]

This, as they say, a big hello to hysterics and pseudo-patriots, who beyond their nose and the State Department instructions on srach not see in comments.

[redmont]

to begin with, let them act in such quantities ... maybe it’ll become better for that.

[sirToad]

that would be at least one close look. to climb. pound the engine.))

[Varnaga]

Engine-YaMZ 5347-20, google to help)

[Denis]

not import, can stool choke?
and the machine is rather police, for riot police it’s good

[Rustam]

so dear comrades and friends, I explain to everyone the politics of the party and the people !!!

in 2011, 70 units will be delivered - TIGR-M, but AMZ will carry out tests after its interpolitech at the end of October, testing its new five-door TIGRA-6KL-ON, under fire and shelling - THIS IS WHICH CAN FIGHT WITH RISK

PURCHASE OF TIGERS-M TEMPORARY MEASURE TO NOT STOP THE PRODUCTION LINE !!!!


HERE SO

[ytqnhfk]

Thanks Rustam for the answer! I may not be right, but I saw shots of the tests of the tiger for shelling (according to them it corresponded to level 3, which is about 5), though there was no information to undermine!

[Rustam]

AS I SAID
http://www.militaryparitet.com/teletype/data/ic_teletype/12369/

[DEfindER]

I think a good machine, and very necessary now.
Modern warfare boils down to missile strikes and police operations to clean up partisans, so the role of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles is not so big. It is easy to destroy heavy and slow equipment from the air, and besides capturing a settlement, it is advisable not to spoil the road surface with tracks, and then drive it yourself ..

[Pol]

I agree, but a balance is needed between heavy armor and light weapons. For our country, in view of the vastness of the territories, I will not dare to clearly define.
But Tigers are definitely needed!
Their number should be determined precisely by the military! But not Taburetkin!
Need a new war strategy! But it must be defined!
So far it does not work out (it seems like we are "thinking" about the fleet, but about the land we are chilling) ...

[erix-xnumx]

What example do you conclude that modern warfare boils down to missile strikes and police operations? And in order that the equipment could not be easily destroyed from the air, there is air defense. Success in modern combat is achieved by the integrated use of all forces and means of armed struggle.

[DEfindER]

Example - Any Nato wars are usually first launched with a thousand tamahawk-type missiles, which it’s almost impossible to shoot down, and even without massive missile attacks, heavy equipment is much more vulnerable than the same jeep with a missile launcher on board, the war in Libya showed the effectiveness of the chassis, even Gaddafi’s army eventually moved to jeeps.
There are 3 requirements for a combat unit - Impact Power, Armor, and Mobility. With an increase in armor, mobility drops significantly, and any striking power is now put on a jeep. Caterpillar or armored personnel carrier The chassis is now in few places. no one will fight in the tundra and swamps, all wars go where there are roads and all infrastructure, moreover, all actions are mainly carried out by mobile sabotage groups, and for them such a car is just the way, as long as the tank sees it and leads the tower, it’s already wound up a kilometer from him ..

[erix-xnumx]

The most naive man ... Firstly, it is really possible to shoot down Tomahawks and our air defense can do it. Another thing is that it is impossible to bring down everything. Secondly, they do not shoot with cruise missiles at armored vehicles. They are designed to defeat fairly large objects - communication centers, command posts, large warehouses and arsenals ... Thirdly, Gaddafi's army moved to pick-up trucks only in order not to differ from the rebels and to mislead NATO aircraft. Fourthly, the effectiveness of the weaponry, which is tucked into a regular body, is much worse than the one that is located in a regular place and also with a stabilizer and a sight. And regarding the conduct of hostilities only on the roads, you are deeply mistaken ... You should not confuse punitive operations against the natives and armed confrontation of approximately equal opponents ...

[erix-xnumx]

Your sayings that no one will keep fighting in the tundra and swamps. They will be as cute if the enemy forces. And against all those who want to fight only on the highway, there are a number of wonderful means- these are roadblocks, blown up bridges, road blockages and just deep ditches across the highway. And your pick-up gut, stretched into a convoy on the road, is very convenient to bring down in one burst of 30-mm guns of an airplane or helicopter! And your pick-up riders can be naughty from the belly with a long burst of machine gun in roadside bushes.

[DEfindER]

Firstly, I did not say that tamahawks cannot be shot down at all, for this they are released by a thuja huchu. Secondly, I agree that Gaddafi’s army moved to jeeps, including in order to disguise themselves as rebels. And it is unclear why you think that abnormal installations will be put on tigers, you can look at any ATGMs in it at the factory .. And the main thing is not even attached weapons, but portable crews at the crew. And I didn’t talk about the conduct of hostilities only on the roads, I said that it wouldn’t pass very well in the rest of the terrain (desert-forest-steppe), and it’s effectiveness will not be manifested against the natives but against mechanized formations as a diversion attack. The Taliban generally drive the most primitive cars and fight effectively with highly mechanized NATO members. I agree only with the fact that in the territory of Russia it will not be effective everywhere, because many more swamps and impassable places, while we still need caterpillars ..

[erix-xnumx]

Damn, you can't keep up with the flight of your thoughts .... Why did you even start talking about "Tomahawks" if they don't shoot at tanks and armored vehicles? Why did you even give an example of these blocky pickups in Libya, if we are talking about "Tiger"? And now about him, why mount some kind of weapon on him, if he can go in one area, but he cannot go in another ??? What member is he needed this at all ??? What do you propose to have separate connections for each region on your equipment? Are there some brigades for Kalmykia, and others for the Moscow region? The armored personnel carrier will go better off-road and in the same way along the steppe or highway! Moreover, it will be able to overcome the water barrier! That is, in fact, the armored personnel carrier is a more versatile vehicle for combat units. So what, then, is the tsimus of this "Tiger"?

Equipment to the maximum should be unified and passable. Only then can it be used in almost any theater of operations, act stealthily and suddenly, overcoming impassability and avoiding obstacles on the roads. The enemy must be smashed to the flank or even from the rear. And for this it will be necessary from those directions where there may not be any roads .... Otherwise, any of your maneuvers will be known in advance and all possible ways of your approach along the highway will be mined and shot by fire weapons ...

[DEfindER]

Tomahawks clear the way for attack aircraft and helicopters which are the main enemies of armored formations .. And in this case, personnel can be saved only by very highly mobile units. And why are you repeating that the Tigers only drive along the roads, if that were the case, it turns out that it is better to use a regular sedan, there it will be more convenient for the personnel and drive faster .. Once again I will repeat The Tigers will travel almost everywhere where necessary, and cross BTR-am are unlikely to be given across the river, if the coast is controlled by the enemy, they are even more vulnerable in water than on land!
And once again I repeat that for armored clashes between two divisions like on the Kursk arc, such a machine is not enough to fit, but the problem is that there have been no such clashes for a long time, the war is different now, and no one will let a tank division into their rocket shot, the most effective war is on land are highly mobile sabotage groups armed with anti-tank and MANPADS ..

[erix-xnumx]

Are you kidding or do you really have problems with logic ??? It was you who spoke about the actions on the roads! Helicopters or airplanes do not care who they shoot from the air, even a tank, even a pickup truck, or even a "Tiger"! I don’t comment on your pearl about sedans at all, but I’m not commenting on the application that the "Tiger" will travel almost everywhere where it is necessary, I consider it sheer stupidity !!! and rubble. As for forcing a water barrier, I will inform you that you have no idea what it is at all !!! If not the armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles of the forward detachments are the first to be transported to capture the bridgehead to the opposite bank, then who ??? Only they! Then the bridgehead expands, and only then the bridge crossing is established and the tanks go under water! And along with the armored personnel carrier, floating ATGM installations are transported to repel a counterattack by enemy tanks and motorized infantry. You don't know shit, but you're trying to be smart!

[DEfindER]

In my opinion, problems with logic are on the face, and not with me. You tell planes to helicopters anyway whom to shoot? And if you turn on the brain? For whom is it easier for you to get out of a gun over an elephant or a dog? Heavy equipment in your case will be an excellent target, and a small maneuverable armored car, like a mosquito, will circle and strike in the most unexpected places .. At the expense of crossing the river, you painted everything correctly, but for the wars of WWII, immediately drive armored vehicles through a water barrier without establishing control over both banks, it’s just pointless, the army can strike at any distance even if they do not allow any tanks to cross 50 km from the riverbank, UAVs detect them and artillery destroys them. It seems that you think besides armored vehicles the warring parties have nothing else, neither intelligence nor missile systems. What they did when breaking through the defense with tank wedges is now a distant story ..

[erix-xnumx]

I repeat again, helicopters or an airplane do not care who to hit a jeep or a tank, there is a difference in their size, but it is not fundamental for modern aircraft detection and destruction systems. And the size of the "Tiger" is quite comparable to the size of an armored personnel carrier or a GAZ-66. You wrote words about establishing control over both banks of the river. And by what means are you going to establish control over the coast occupied by the enemy? What means of destruction are you talking about when you say that the enemy will hit the crossings 50 km away? On this issue, please explain why you decided that these funds, in turn, would not be suppressed by our troops? If you say that the enemy will not allow our tanks to cross, then you just need to stupidly stop on the river bank until the end of the war? Speaking of distant history, what can you tell about the war in recent history?

[erix-xnumx]

"The most effective war on earth is highly mobile sabotage groups armed with ATGMs and MANPADS" - is this what you say so confidently as an expert? :) ..

[DEfindER]

Recent Israeli wars in Lebanon with the use of Merkav have shown their almost zero effectiveness against man-portable ATGMs of the Arabs, and accordingly the huge losses of the IDF in tanks ..

[DEfindER]

If we talk about the future of the army, then most likely the size of the combat unit will decrease, that is, it will be something like a military ATV (possibly without a motorcyclist) with a powerful enemy detection system, and a powerful fire system, while many electronic warfare systems will solve, whose radar is stronger and smarter, he will win, because discovered means destroyed.

[kesa1111]

Plans for the supply of armored jeeps are really too many. In reality, it will turn out as always, that is, really the right amount or a little less. But for now, the post will be worse than EVERYONE.

[datur]

curious and where is the WOLF ????? / it seems like it was determined for a massive role in the troops and not the tiger? because he is pure SPM.

[mind1954]

I had a chance to talk with a war veteran
as chief of staff of a tank regiment and rank
lieutenant colonel. I asked him: Did you have a "Willis"?
And he laughed: Why are you, it only ride on the asphalt.
I had a Dodge 3/4.

[krymskij]

Who's gonna do gaz? Fear God! See how they gazelles blur, Lawns. If in the same quality of execution, then it’s better not to.

[Kochetkov.serzh]

the first thing to fill a pocket, if there wouldn’t be an army to provide first