Fighter crashes in India and the Czech Republic

The Su-30MKI Indian Air Force fighter crashed to the ground on Monday during a training flight. The crash occurred near the city of Tezpur (Assam). Both pilots managed to eject. Reports about it MIC with reference to the local resource "Zee News".

The crashed car was manufactured by the Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited under a Russian license.

A commission has been created to investigate the incident. Since 2009, this is the sixth accident. Over the years, fighter flights were suspended twice.

The total number ordered by India Su-30MKI - 272 units. More than 140 machines have already been assembled in the country (plus 50 units were shipped from the Russian Federation assembled).

A similar crash happened today in the Czech Republic. There, on landing, the Saab JAS 39 Gripen fighter of the Hungarian Air Force fell to the ground.

"Near the town of Caslav in the central part of the Czech Republic on Tuesday around 15 hours local time (16: 00 MSK) upon landing, the multi-purpose Saab JAS 39 Gripen fighter of the Hungarian Air Force crashed, both pilots fortunately managed to eject," the Defense Ministry reported Czech Republic.

We remind you that joint exercises of the Air Force are now taking place in Caslav, in which the Czech Republic, Hungary and Sweden took part.

Comments

[Baikonur]

Because Indian pilots are not professionals! There is a lot of evidence that they are allowed to fly our aircraft newcomers trained by not fully trained "instructors"! Although, of course, you need to consider all the options!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Baikonur

Because Indian pilots are laymen!

This is not true. Indusy were one of the first foreign customers who mastered our technology and their flyers were at a high level. It is not for nothing that NATO members systematically "do" during exercises. Rather, something with the machine itself.

[just exp]

It’s not a matter of the car, but of the Indians, their pilots are professional, that’s a fact. The problem is their excessive self-confidence, they consider themselves to be almost the highest caste and often try to show off, and this ends in disastrous, it has already been discussed many times.

[GSH-18]

Quote: NEXUS

It is not for nothing that NATO members are systematically "made" during exercises.

What exercises? I have not heard of this. Whimper.

[NEXUS]

Quote: GSH-18

What exercises? I have not heard of this. Whimper.

for example, exercises dated November 18 of the 2005 of the year where SU-30MKI and the NATO F-15 C / D Eagle were.
Read on: http://svpressa.ru/post/article/104405/

[opus]

Quote: GSH-18

What exercises? I have not heard of this.

At all, since 2002, and not only "NATO"
19-th squadron of the 3-th wing of the US Air Force, -Do not have time to wash the panties, even the new AN / APG-63 (V) 2 radar did not help
"Cooperative Cope Thunder" for example, the Indians themselves flew to Alaska
Moreover, US Air Force officials note that until recently, in all exercises, the crews of the 3 air wing operated with a numerical superiority of 2: 1

Teachings "Cope India - 2004": The Apotheosis was defeat of the F-15 MiG-21 fighterIAF ....


Joint (triple) exercises of Sindex-Ankush over Gwalior airbase in 2005 Singapore: 10 aircraft (5: 5), Indian Su-30MK won 8 from 10 fights with American F-15 fighters, and Su-30MKI planes all 10 fights with Singapore F-16.

Indo-French exercise "Garuda II": 24th Hunting Hawk Squadron of the Indian Air Force chopped French aces from S Sigone (Dijon) squadron.
French pilot: "Decision [about attack] should be taken in the first minute, for Su-30 with its power and maneuverability will overwhelm you"."

Radar RDY-2 helps ...

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The Indian crews in their training practice taking into account the full characteristics of the best aircraft of the enemy and his crews. And the Americans are conducting (or rather, haven’t yet received from ours and the Indians) training, taking into account the enemy’s equipment with clearly underestimated characteristics and the level of enemy training (also underestimated) assumed by the Americans.


The issue of attracting Indian pilots to the American Red Flag exercises held in the US is being discussed (the Americans are asking very much). Nevada and planned joint battles between the Israeli Air Force and the Indian Air Force (Indians ask)

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: GSH-18

What exercises? I have not heard of this. Whimper.

Recently there was news about the teachings of the Malaysian Su-30 and Super Hornets.
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/navy-hornets-mock-dogfight-with-malaysian-flank
ers-in-s-1703838609

[Kostyar]

Because Indian pilots are not professionals! There is a lot of evidence that they are allowed to fly on our aircraft newcomers, trained by incompletely trained "instructors"!

Or the usual sabotage war, American competitors ..., they are "new generation" helmets from F -..., they sold $ 1 million to the Australians ...?!
Just a business and nothing personal ....
In general, "simple" American KOZLY !!!

[Baikonur]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Baikonur

Because Indian pilots are laymen!

This is not true. Indusy were one of the first foreign customers who mastered our technology and their flyers were at a high level. It is not for nothing that NATO members systematically "do" during exercises. Rather, something with the machine itself.

Naturally, I didn’t talk about everyone !!!!

[Juborg]

There is no dispute about their professionalism, but the penultimate incident surprised me with the conclusion of the Indian commission. The machine is serviceable, one of the pilots became ill in flight, the decision was made to eject. Is that what? Professionalism or one of the pilots in the toilet urgent needed.

[Grandfather bear]

NEXUS

Hindus are one of the first foreign customers to master our technology

The Indians only make funny films, but otherwise their mother is non-combustible. Their mountain rifle units are equipped with YAT, the assault units are the best in the region, the divers are at the level of technical equipment, and intelligence (military) is not inferior to the Chinese.
So you can laugh at their bollywood, but respect the troops.

[Fregate]

No, they are professional enough and their annual raid is high. But it happens like last time, the Su-30 crashed as a result of the fact that both pilots ejected.

[figwam]

Assembly under license however ...

[sent-onere]

Quote: figvam

Assembly under license however ...

Hindus rukzhopy - and we are guilty ....

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Baikonur

Because Indian pilots are not professionals! There is a lot of evidence that they are allowed to fly our aircraft newcomers trained by not fully trained "instructors"! Although, of course, you need to consider all the options!

There are not problems with flyers, but with manufacturers and aerodrome technicians.

At the same time, according to the Minister of Defense, the Indian Air Force already had five accidents and 69 incidents with AL-31FP engines manufactured by HAL since 2012. According to Parricar, out of these 69 incidents, 33 were caused by chips in the oil, 11 caused vibration in the engine, and eight were due to very low pressure in the oil supply. Accusations were made regarding the poor quality of the assembly, as a result of which the fatigue effect quickly occurred, causing cracks, which led to the appearance of metal fragments and the oil circuit. The investigation also drew attention to the quality of the oil. By order of the Indian Ministry of Defense, measures have been taken: the use of better quality oil, the alteration and replacement of welding and mounting components between the mechanical parts.

PS Just now I noticed:

Crashed car manufactured by the Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited under the Russian license.

[Kasym]

The Indian air raid is not just good, but one of the highest in the world. Take an interest. No wonder they are yanking in the sky even on an old MiG-21!
Here in technology, it is most likely.

[Signaller]

Bundles felled is for sure. In your dreams. America has never fought with India yet. It was the Vietnamese who dealt with them. Teach materiel dear and History.

[just exp]

some still have brains to learn, to think about what to think, "maybe it's something I don't know, but not other fools?" because training air battles between Indians and Americans were more than once or twice, and the Indians had Chekhvostili Shtatovtsev even on the MiG-21. and the word "felled" is also suitable here, just as boxers do not fight until they kill their opponent in the ring.

[Gregazov]

Quote: just EXPL

some still have brains to learn, to think about what to think, "maybe it's something I don't know, but not other fools?" because training air battles between Indians and Americans were more than once or twice, and the Indians had Chekhvostili Shtatovtsev even on the MiG-21. and the word "felled" is also suitable here, just as boxers do not fight until they kill their opponent in the ring.

Everything is so, only the signalmen did not know about it. They have two states of alert: Just had (communication) and Will be soon. In the interval between these events, India and the United States trained. And so the connection knows everything, well, or almost everything.

[Protos]

Here is the thing that you called "Mandavoshka" for your avatar in our troops

[ydjin]

[quote = Protos] Here's the thing that was called "Mandavoshka" for your avatar in our troops [/ quot [quote = GregAzov]
Everything is so, only the signalmen did not know about it. They have two states of alert: Just had (communication) and Will be soon. In the interval between these events, India and the United States trained. And so the connection knows everything, well, or almost everything. [/ Quote]
Dear, you can slander as much as you like, but do not touch the "mandavoshka"! The role of communications and radio-technical troops has always been enormous, and in today's realities, the so-called. network-centric war is truly dominant! Py. Sy. He himself served in these troops!

[Scoun]

Quote: Baikonur

Because Indian pilots are laymen!

your comment can be attributed to unfounded .... maybe not you, but the same people "grumbled" when the pilots of India "tore" the Americans in training battles, uh, some also shouted Gop without jumping over! and when the Canadians swelled .. began to find fault with their own in the forefront.

[Baikonur]

Quote: Scoun

Quote: Baikonur

Because Indian pilots are laymen!

your comment can be attributed to unfounded .... maybe not you, but the same people "grumbled" when the pilots of India "tore" the Americans in training battles, uh, some also shouted Gop without jumping over! and when the Canadians swelled .. began to find fault with their own in the forefront.

Of course, I don’t remember the TV show where they talked about it!
I know that they also have aces, but there are many negative cases!

[sent-onere]

They themselves collect, let them blame themselves.

[opus]

Quote: sent-onere

They themselves collect, let them blame themselves.

Refuse to purchase SU and MIG ... we will blame ourselves.
Losing a customer is easy.

After the accident in 2014: Flights are suspended. In service with the Indian Air Force about 200 Su-30 aircraft, thus one third of the country's air fleet is idle without flights
Pakistan is laughing.
Who needs such a fleet of aircraft? Air force?

[sent-onere]

They didn’t process the file after assembly. The instructions are written.

[prosto_rgb]

Judging by the 2 crashes today is a bad day for flying.
It also happens for trips when in different countries, on the same day, multiple accidents occur almost simultaneously.

[Revolver]

Quote: Baikonur

Because Indian pilots are not professionals! There is a lot of evidence that they are allowed to fly our aircraft newcomers trained by not fully trained "instructors"! Although, of course, you need to consider all the options!

Once the commander of the Indian crew decided to eject due to the fact that his stomach fell ill. As it turned out later, he ate something stale. Also by the way on the SU-30. Whether the overalls were washed away - the story is silent.

[opus]

Quote: Nagan

the commander of the Indian crew decided to eject due to the fact that his stomach fell ill. As it turned out later, he ate something stale.

This stupid duck.

After this:

what kind of "stomach" disease can we talk about?
think you can hold?

Conclusion of the joint commission:
the main cause of the Su-30MKI accident in October 2014 was spontaneous operation of the ejection seat K-36DM.
Earlier, Indian pilots complained mainly about malfunctions in the fly-by-wire control system, due to which the AL-31FP engines lost traction.
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No luck to the Indians ...

Over the past four years (Until 2013 year) Indian Air Force lost in accidents 10 helicopters and 33 fighter. Among them - one Jaguar (150 Jaguar aircraft produced under license and delivered from France), two Mirage-2000, three Su-30 and 16 MiG-21.

[opus]

Quote: Baikonur

Because Indian pilots are laymen!

Do not write nonsense.
1: The raid (medium) of the Indian Air Force pilots (IAF combat pilot flying hours) 220-230.
There were 120 hours of 1992 and 190-200 hours of 1999.
Not uncommon 300 and more hours of annual raid
2.This is from the 2009 article of the year:
Russian pilots annually gain on average hours by 60. But at the same time, most pilots are experienced pilots with the rank of major and higher, and lieutenants are allowed to steer once every three months, or even less. In order to get only the third class, a raid of more than 200 hours is required. Their young pilots, even for 5 years of service, cannot gain.
3. Su-30MKI readiness for combat still does not exceed 55% (compared to 70% of other modern combat aircraft)
- unidentified problems in the electronic flight control system
- difficulties with the ejection seat of the new Russian T-50 fighter
- "bearing problem" in the turbojet engine

4 - Of the 956 MiG-21, which were received by the Indian Air Force, crashed about 400 aircraft. In this case, more than 130 pilots died. Over the past three years, 29 accidents have occurred in the Indian Air Force. 12 of them - with the participation of the MiG-21.
(A lawsuit by the country's Air Force pilot demanding to recognize the world's most common MiG-21 fighter as an object violating the human right to life is pending in the High Court of Delhi.)

5.Indians ALWAYS with 2000x pulled USAIF into the trash, Americans constantly complained that the victory was due to the fact that the pilots Su-27, SU-30 MK and SU-30MKI (Indian) have more than 300 hours per year compared to their own 250 hours.
DACT "Cope India - 2004"
We won every two of the three fights in which we participated.
/ According to the Indian command, the Americans on the F-15C were "shot down" at least 20 times by Indian pilots on the Su-27, Su-30 and MiG-21 /


Indian pilots turned American fighter tactics upside down. They used in training battles the aircraft's optoelectronic systems, not including the radar, which allowed them to imperceptibly approach the Americans at "the distance of an aimed shot from an onboard gun." In close combat, the less maneuverable F-15C had little chance of surviving. According to the Indian command, the Americans were thus "shot down" at least 20 times..

According to the teachings of the Americans, a comprehensive report was compiled, which is still classified.


Indian-Singaporean exercise "Sindex-Ankush"

Indian Su-30MK won 8 of 10 fights with American F-15 fighters, and Su-30MKs won all 10 fights with Singapore F-16.

American-Indian exercise "Cope India - 2005"

Indo-French teachings "Garuda II"
And then they piled Mirage-2000S / O "," Mirage "2000-5, Embraer EMB.321F" Tucano "," Mirage "2000N ...
AWACS and E-3F Sentry control aircraft did not help

According to French pilots, Indian air forces are quite sophisticated world-class air forces and have highly professional pilotswhich, moreover, can easily adapt to flight procedures in the NATO system.

[shans2]

stop lying about Russian pilots with a flight time of 60 hours, the average flight time is more than 150 hours, I myself saw a program at the beginning of this year where Shoigu asked the pilot about the flight (beginning of 2014, statistics for 2013) - about 150-200 hours, the pilots are flying now , transporters more than fighters and others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwq4Xg4k-NM,

[just exp]

the flight time of the year 2008 gradually increased and also read about the fact that in 2011 pilots already had 110-120 flight hours and the Moscow Region intends to increase it.

[opus]

Quote: shans2

stop lying about Russian pilots with a raid in 60 hours

chanson No. 2 You are stupid and arrogant.
READ (if you can) ATTENTIVELY

Quote: opus

This is from the article. 2009 years:

Information:
According to the 2006 results, the average flight time in the Russian Air Force was 40 hours (for young pilots, the average flight time was 80 hours). The rate of plaque depends on the type of aircraft. In military transport aviation he had xnumx hours, while in fighter and front-line aviation it amounted to 20-25 hours.
For comparison, for the same year, this indicator in the USA amounted to 189, France 180, Romania 120 hours.
In 2007, as a result of improved aviation fuel supply and intensified combat training, the average annual raid increased: in Long-Range Aviation, it amounted to 80-100 hours, in Air Defense Aviation - about 55 hours.
Young pilots often have a raid over 100 hours
Air Force average raid per graduate 2010 g. amounted to 42 hours, which is 12% more than the raid of graduates of 2009.
The average raid on the payroll of air force crews increased by 18% compared to 2010. and amounted to more than 50 hours.

Quote: shans2

he saw

I honestly do not care what you "yourself" saw.
1. You are talking about 2013,2014, I wrote about 2009 (about lying)
2.I himself I saw Igor Raufovich (who is the co-operator "academician" Ashurbeyli, former general OJSC "Concern Air Defense Almaz-Antey" with a clear eye and a sober head in Solovyov's program said that if he let the S-300 air defense system could easily shoot down the "Chelyabinsk meteorite" (50-70km height of destruction at a speed of 30-50km / s)
So what?
Should I repeat this crap?

[Andrey NM]

The MIG-21 Indians were constantly falling, now Sushki ... This indicates their flight and technical culture.
And on the other hand, even if such flyers tear vaunted western fighters at Sushki, the level of our vehicles becomes clear.

[opus]

Quote: Andrey NM

This speaks of their flight and technical culture.

As of 2013, the year is known about the loss in flight accidents of 7 aircraft of the Su-30 family of the Russian Air Force.
And this is provided that our flight hours are 60-100 (not on SU-30, but in general), but on Indian pilots on SU-30MK and MKI MINIMUM 300

[Throw]

Because nefig licenses to sell! They will make sure that they then fly like elephants on horseback.

[Same lech]

The crashed car was manufactured by the Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited under a Russian license.

We must wait for the conclusions of the investigation of the Commission on Aviation Disasters .... the reasons can be very different .... sometimes the bird gets into the engine and the flight turns into a disaster.

[Alex_Rarog]

It’s good that in both cases there were no casualties! And hell, they’ll buy new iron with it!

[Signaller]

Not otherwise aliens worked ?????

[VALERIK_097]

The main thing is that people are alive. Iron will be replaced

[VNP1958PVN]

Conclusion, do not rivet the Phoenix bird yourself, it’s better to buy Irkutsk, they will be more reliable!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: VNP1958PVN

Conclusion, do not rivet the Phoenix bird yourself, it’s better to buy Irkutsk, they will be more reliable!

So the Indians have problems not only with production, but also with airfield services.

The investigation also drew attention to the quality of the oil.

The Irkutsk car will fall due to oil - and the plant will be declared guilty immediately.

[sir_obs]

gravitation, however, if Newton had dried in the attic, and not an apple, we would not have known what they were falling into.

[MIKHALYCH1]

The pilots are alive and that’s the main thing! They are learning to fly .. If they hadn’t flown, then there would be no accidents ... Debriefing will be carried out if they are punished! A good lesson for the future ..

[Baloo]

They don’t know how to fly, let them study the materiel.

[Mountain shooter]

Accidents of this kind in military aviation are unfortunately the norm. Most often, they are associated with the "human factor". He himself grew up in a military garrison, his father is a military pilot. In a year in the regiment - funeral once or twice. I remember.

[tolmachiev51]

This is technology, this is people !!!! We have few accidents ??? Apparently the stars didn’t work out that way, or maybe the adrenaline flashed.

[MIKHALYCH1]

At the expense of India, there is still a suspicion ... they are slobs of life! Often the human factor is to blame for accidents ..

[HAM]

We are discussing the Indians, so there are no questions on the Czechs, let them fight !?

[Fregate]

Well, apparently because there was a Swedish plane there, the Swedes should be more interested. Most importantly, the pilots are also alive.

[VohaAhov]

To this can be added the disaster of the American "Osprey" with the death of 1 Marine, 12 injuries and the loss of the side.

[Prussian]

"Gripen" is the very machine licensed production of which they want to establish in Lviv. The Swedes promised to do it quickly. It is considered a successful machine, very versatile, it can be used as an attack aircraft, interceptor, reconnaissance aircraft and a front-line fighter.

[tlauicol]

Gripen rolled out of the lane when landing and rolled over several times

[tlauicol]

I wonder why they do not burn? would share a secret

[sharp-lad]

Hard. It seems that Avionics failed.

[sharp-lad]

Hard. It seems that Avionics failed.

[16112014nk]

Military aircraft have always fought more often than civilian ones. And it doesn't matter who's driving it, a Czech or an Indian. In Hawaii, "Osprey" was recently crashed and driven by Amer. One thing in common is the technique seems to fail. Although experts can conclude about the human factor.

[Signaller]

Probably a repeat of the past. One pilot wanted to cast and ejected, the second had to do too. They had such a case during these two years. Oh gentle, these Indians, definitely. Pampers are not high.

[Gregazov]

Quote: Signaller

Probably a repeat of the past. One pilot wanted to cast and ejected, the second had to do too. They had such a case during these two years. Oh gentle, these Indians, definitely. Pampers are not high.

Ever look into the cockpit of a military aircraft. There is such an interesting thing - called the urinal. In a high-altitude compensating suit, there is even a hole corresponding to this device. There is also a true joke about General Bezhevets - how he experienced this thing in flight.
I served 20 years in aviation, and the last 9 in communication. I can note that the signalmen are very confident in their knowledge, probably because KShMKs cannot fall underground. In the worst case, they will die out.

[jaroff]

Friends! Why "scratch your tongue" or "slap the keyboard" in vain. We do not know any, even the smallest details! I suggest not to waste time and effort on speculation, especially since it is so easy to identify the culprits (pilots, technology, infrastructure

[jaroff]

Only the conclusions of the commission are really interesting to discuss and comment on. But they, as a rule, just do not publish. Especially when it comes to military aviation.

[Russian]

Quote: Baikonur

Because Indian pilots are not professionals! There is a lot of evidence that they are allowed to fly our aircraft newcomers trained by not fully trained "instructors"! Although, of course, you need to consider all the options!

Assembled aircraft in India, this is the main reason.

[Tavrica]

Quote: Baikonur

Because Indian pilots are not professionals! There is a lot of evidence that they are allowed to fly our aircraft newcomers trained by not fully trained "instructors"! Although, of course, you need to consider all the options!

And I will subscribe to these words. My father had the pleasure of visiting Nepal (the Mi-8 pilot), including working next to the Indian crews, so they were kidding, the Indians took off for half an hour only, it felt like a piece of paper, and landing every time on the edge.

[Arktidianets]

For the Indians, I apologize for the expression, the handshake is booming, the technical culture is lame, changing spare parts and praying to Krishna is not at all what the maintenance and repair schedule implies.

[Horst78]

The crashed car was manufactured by the Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited under a Russian license.

More than 140 cars have already been assembled in the country

The question is. The human factor or not quality production? What qualifications were the pilots ?. What qualifications did the production and technical training personnel have? What equipment was used in the production?

[Aleksiy]

Shaw is not clear here? It is necessary to buy US planes, if they are broken, it is only planned, tests for the sake of something. And further. Hindu collectors advice: when assembling aircraft, dancing is strictly prohibited.

[awg75]

The crashed car was manufactured by the Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited under a Russian license ..... and that’s it

[Swamp Doctor]

Quote: Baikonur

Because Indian pilots are not professionals! There is a lot of evidence that they are allowed to fly our aircraft newcomers trained by not fully trained "instructors"! Although, of course, you need to consider all the options!

Trolling, let me ask you, do not consider humiliation: - Are you an instructor specifically for the SU30-MKI?
No?
So figley with a cloth snout ... Well, you yourself will understand, if education allows.

[bogart047]

maybe their pilots are good, but the mechanics let us down.

[iouris]

There are a lot of factors causing aviation accidents. It is known that human or personality factors account for at least 70%. But it is too early to guess the pilot or plane, based on the information presented.

[andrei.yandex]

The fact that the Indians are doing the Americans in "air battles" is a merit not only of the number of flight hours, but also the fact that objectively the Su-30MKI is more advanced than the F-15, especially in close combat. I would like to note that the Indians still cannot create their own aircraft, despite the fact that this aircraft is not the peak of excellence in aviation. By the way, both in armored vehicles and in shipbuilding they have about, if not worse, about the same achievements. Something seems to me that the reason lies in their technical potential. You can compare them with China, we will immediately notice the difference. Maybe I'm wrong.