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Tricky comments. 44 number is fading or Russian films should be shot in Russia

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I don’t expect such a thing from our Ministry of Culture.

So, to take and withdraw the rental license from the movie for 2 the day before the premiere is, you know, something. Precedent, however.

What was this film masterpiece from a fairly well-known company "Lionsgate" about?



In the movie "44 Number" (Child 44) directed by Daniel Espinosa, the main action takes place in 1953. The main character - Lev Demidov (Tom Hardy) - a pupil of an orphanage who survived the 1933 famine of the year and, according to the film, hoisted the Victory Banner over the Reichstag, works for some organization called the NGB and cracks down on "enemies of the people." After his wife Raisa (Numi Rapas) gets on the list of such enemies, Demidova is sent to the city of Volsk and degraded to the position of a local policeman who is led by General Nesterov (Gary Oldman). In Volsk, Demidov goes on the trail of a maniac, on whose account the murder of 44 children along the railway tracks from Vladimir to Rostov-on-Don. Demidov is trying to find the killer, while his former NGB colleagues are hunting for Demidov himself.

I do not understand, overseas themes for the militants ended? Apparently, yes. Together with the screenwriters.

Many thanks to Comrade Medinsky for not seeing this Hollywood brew about us. For several reasons.

The first one is that we have enough domestic movie shots. Even, I would say, in abundance. Moreover, a normal film is actually difficult to find. But this is not a reason for Hollywood to start us to rivet films about the Soviet reality.



It seems reasonable to Russians that there are Mikhalkov and Zvyagintsev. And their masterpieces about the Russian and Soviet reality. True, there are rumors that sir Nikita decided to quit and do fast food, God forbid.

And we in general import substitution goes, if someone did not know. Therefore, corn with orthophosphoric acid seems to be "not to be free, and not to be paid for money."

No, guys from the Hollywood hills, you are in vain. You Kakuruzu themselves ... consume. And to us - not a foot. And then at that rate, decide to treat us with another masterpiece about how the Banner over the Reichstag was raised not by Leo Demidov, but by Leo Dummkopf from the US Marine Corps.

Do not gobble, times are not the same now. Kakuruza is not in fashion.

And the second reason. There is nothing to go where considerations are nothing. In Russia, do they not make films about how in the USA things were historically? To you in the rental did not go? Here let us pay in return. That is, from the beach along the eternal Russian route.

Let me quote Medina. Why not quote a smart man?

Such films as “44 Number” should not go to mass film distribution in our country, earning from our movie-goer, neither in the year of the 70 anniversary of the Victory, nor ever else.

The film shows not a country, but Mordor, with physically and morally inferior subhumans, a bloody mess in the frame of some orcs and ghouls — in this country the film takes place from 30 to 50 of the XX century.

This is how our country is shown - the one that just won the Great War, has escaped into the number of world leaders and is about to launch the first man into space.

It's not so much a particular movie. American filmmakers can express themselves as they please. Before that, in general, we have little to do. Fundamentally, we must finally put an end to a series of endless schizophrenic reflections about ourselves.


I do not know how anyone, but I personally like these words very much. It seems, dear patriots of Russia, our regiment arrived. Yes, and in such a key position, and even at such a time. As they would say on our pages a couple of years ago - good news.

So, yank, go back. Together with the film.

But there is another aspect about which I would like not to speak maliciously, but, on the contrary, express concern.

Who were the people who prepared the movie for hire? They sounded, made ads, wrote reviews, motivated to rent this klehlebovo?

At a minimum - it is non-professionals. They would cook teletubbies, no more. As a maximum - corrupt scoundrels, ready for the dollar from the American film company once again throw mud at our country. Our, I stress.

Such filmmakers should be in an amicable way, in the style of Khrushchev - a passport in the mouth and in two weeks from the country without the right of return. According to the article "anti-Russian subversive activities." With the confiscation of everything "honestly" earned by overworking for the benefit of our culture. That would be a budget benefit ...

Apparently, in the culture, we are still full of stitches, if the minister gets in the way of some kind of creative work. But glad that gets up.

Well, the beginning of Comrade Medina very impressed. May God grant him health and continued success in work.

And Hollywood about Russia, let him not make more films. Themselves must cope.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 16 2015 06: 38
    +87
    Not the West to shoot about Russia. They do not understand our mentality and do not know our life. They always have a red line: vodka-balalaika-wilderness and dirt-rudeness and of course repression, and in a distorted way.
    we have enough domestic cinema rubbish. Even, I would say, in abundance

    I agree with the author. By the way, the Ministry of Culture will not hurt to pay attention to some film products shot with state money.
    1. Polovec
      Polovec April 16 2015 07: 19
      +52
      In essence, I agree completely. True style is terrible ...
      Today's youth, to the greatest regret, draws knowledge about history more willingly from their films, and not from books. We are often surprised at their illiteracy and distorted perception. But, as the author is aptly named, the desire of the master Mikhalkov to prove himself and so harms the young brain more than heroin. Why should we also allow amers to poison the minds of our youth? Hollywood has already made so many films about Russian ghouls (and in any historical era!) That the thoughts of sabotaging our officials of the Ministry of "Culture", allowing the rental of these slops, for some unknown reason, do not arouse the interest of the prosecutor's office.
      And don't sing songs about censorship and freedom of speech! Let's do as in "civilized" countries! It is necessary, like theirs, to close TV channels, remove journalists from the air and teach patriotism to the local intelligentsia! We must protect our citizens from poisoning!
      I am convinced that people who supported the regime, burning people alive, have no place in the sphere of culture!
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 16 2015 07: 35
        +29
        Comrade Medinsky, something woke up a bit late, already such a bunch of movie films were dumped on our viewer!
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson April 16 2015 07: 59
          +31
          Better late than never.
        2. Luzhichanin
          Luzhichanin April 16 2015 09: 49
          -12
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Comrade Medinsky, something woke up a bit late, already such a bunch of movie films were dumped on our viewer!

          and woke up to distract the viewer's attention from the "masterpieces" of the local spill. in general, they are trying to localize and redirect indignation outward (to build a matrix of hatred towards the West), and they themselves will continue to show our people the same eyewash films in order to brainwash them ... well, of course, most adults, and the rest, but thinking, brains You can't rinse it, but young people are green, and the EGE prepared is an excellent flushing agent, we have already seen this in Ukraine.

          Down with the ministers destroying culture in the country !!!
          1. rodevaan
            rodevaan April 17 2015 15: 20
            +6
            FINALLY, OUR DEPUTIES RIPPED!

            FOR THE LONG 20 YEARS THE RUSSIAN AND RUSSIAN SPECTATOR HAS TO ENDURE THIS ALL NEGATIVE RUSOPHOBIC HULIVUD KUETA, OUTLOOK HULA AND LIES ON OUR COUNTRY, WHICH HAVE BEEN STANDING FOR THE SAME TIME !! - IT IS NECESSARY TO KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE FORMS OF INFORMATION WAR AGAINST US, WHERE IN THESE GOFNO-"FILMS" THE RUSSIAN MAN, HIS GLORIOUS HISTORY AND HIS DIGNITY, IS DECLINED AND TRUSTED!
            IT IS NECESSARY FOR GUESTS TO ANSWER IN THE SAME SPIRIT!

            THERE WERE THE SAME FILMS IN THE USSR! - "SINGLE SWIMMING", "CASE IN 36/80 SQUARE" - WE MUST TAKE IT ALSO - AND SHOW ALL THE WORLD! BEAT THE ANGLOSAXON GADS WITH THEIR WEAPONS!

            REALLY REVEALED!

            I WOULD BE A DEPUTY - I WOULD ALLHAVE PROHIBITED EVERYTHING REMOVED IN THE WEST ABOUT RUSSIA - DISPOSE, SEED AND HELP THEM IN THE MUDS, BECAUSE NEVER WESTERN AND DIPPLE APPEARED. - NEVER IT WILL UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE DEPTH AND FEATURE OF THE RUSSIAN MENTALITY, THE RUSSIAN CHARACTER AND THE RUSSIAN LIFESTYLE!

            REALLY SOMETHING HAS NOT UNDERSTOOD ANYTHING - THAT WE ARE DIFFERENT WORLDS AND DIFFERENT CIVILIZATIONS!
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut April 18 2015 08: 51
              0
              The selection criterion is simple to disgrace. Kohl mug crooked mirror in marriage.
          2. Wildcat-731
            Wildcat-731 April 18 2015 17: 24
            0
            Quote: Luzhichanin
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            Comrade Medinsky, something woke up a bit late, already such a bunch of movie films were dumped on our viewer!

            and woke up to distract the viewer's attention from the "masterpieces" of the local spill. in general, they are trying to localize and redirect indignation outward (to build a matrix of hatred towards the West), and they themselves will continue to show our people the same eyewash films in order to brainwash them ... well, of course, most adults, and the rest, but thinking, brains You can't rinse it, but young people are green, and the EGE prepared is an excellent flushing agent, we have already seen this in Ukraine.

            Down with the ministers destroying culture in the country !!!

            I wonder how to brainwash something?
            And what is this liberal cry about "down with! ..." and so on?
            Oh, and you are suspicious "tovarisch" .... what
          3. ilysha
            ilysha April 19 2015 02: 39
            0
            Zig Heil! Long live America!
        3. Combitor
          Combitor April 16 2015 09: 59
          +6
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Comrade Medinsky, something woke up

          But you can’t put Medinsky to everyone.
          1. satris
            satris April 16 2015 18: 39
            +9
            So let everyone become Medinsky in terms of culture. You need to understand when dirt is being poured on your country, and react accordingly.
            1. Russian063
              Russian063 April 16 2015 20: 49
              +4
              Youth!! This applies to you too !! Filter the information flows that surround you .. Love your homeland.
        4. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder April 16 2015 14: 41
          +39
          I wrote in one article, removed it, decided to comment on our "masterpiece" - the Battle of Sevastopol, wrote a certain ruhl from kinopoisk.

          The triumph of Russophobia.
          Looking at modern Russian films, one gets the impression that you live in a crazy house. I lamented a lot for Leviathan, Stalingrad, the Battalion, but this “creation” broke all conceivable and unimaginable boundaries of madness. Of war films, my favorite is Liberation. In my opinion, no one has succeeded in surpassing this masterpiece. “The fate of man” is a very good film made by the elder Bondarchuk (the son, obviously, did not go to dad). Let's see how the battle of Sevastopol differs from the best Soviet military tapes.

          Shock comes from the first minutes. It turns out the narrative of the film does not come from a participant in the Great Patriotic War, not from veterans, but from the wife of American President Roosevelt - Eleanor. How interesting it turns out, the story of the immortal feat of our Soviet people will be told by an American who knows about the war only Pearl Harbor and the landing in Normandy, and from the newspapers. And here she is the walking encyclopedia of the combat reports of the USSR. Moreover, from the first minutes we are shown a white house in Washington. I can’t understand how sideways the USA is inscribed in the film on the battle of Sevastopol? What side in the film where the liberation of Sevastopol is advertised shows us the state that finances Nazi Germany for the entire 30s? Will they tell us our story from across the ocean? I have never seen anything like this before.

          We go further. As the Soviet authorities show us. Naturally this is a bloody totalitarian regime, naturally it should be a prison of peoples, naturally it is an enslaved oppressed people. The evil NKVD officers torment the free people, Lyudmila's father tortures the poor girl, spread rot her. In the USSR, from the American version, the whole world knows that half of the population sat in camps, and half guarded these camps. Well, it’s true, by the way, about who narrates the film. Our poor Lyudmila is forcibly taken away from school to be sent to military training. And the fact that this citizen went voluntarily to continue to take part in a military company in Spain should not worry anyone. All Soviet people were forced, no one voluntarily went to the front, and those who showed the slightest resistance were immediately shot. Together with family, dog, cat and chickens. That is how we are presented with the western version of the history of the great war.

          to be continued ...
          1. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder April 16 2015 14: 45
            +28
            continued ...

            Love line. Well, what a war without romance? After all, this is the best place where you can make new acquaintances, make an office romance, and just relax your body and soul. And it’s okay with one soldier. Lyudmila gets herself a whole harem. Something it reminds me very much of Stalingrad. There, too, the whole film was about a poor girl who tanned a whole platoon of soldiers. And what a war movie without ... As the American version tells us, Soviet soldiers in Berlin raped millions of Germans. And what they got up in the trenches can only guess. Indeed, Lyudmila, with her next haha.lem, begins to ... right on the front line. Among the thousands of dead, among the sea of ​​blood, among the groan of the wounded must necessarily copulate. And it doesn’t matter at all that the film, in theory, should tell about the feat of our soldiers, about the incredible price they defended our land, our homeland, with which they sacrificed. This is all irrelevant, the electorate must see a sekas at the front, must see how Soviet women changed men to the left and to the right (in the American manner, by the way), and should see a beautiful picture in which there is no sense. Hollywood special effects, flying planes, running soldiers against the backdrop of explosions. How epic! How beautiful it looks! How much pathos in one frame! This is not war, this is Hollywood.

            But most of all was struck by Lyudmila’s trip to the "citadel of democracy." It seems there is nothing so terrible about this. There were normal relations between our countries. But! Pay attention to the speech of Mrs. Pavlyuchenko. She goes on stage, where the background is a hefty American !!! the flag begins to tell pathetically how she fought heroically at the front, and Soviet men cowardly hid behind her. How is this to be understood? But how is it to be understood that Lyudmila in the citadel of democracy immediately begins to offer millions of contracts, a bright future, precious gifts, etc. This is not even a hint, it is said in plain text: Darling, drop this bloody scoop and come to us. Here unprecedented opportunities will open before you, all doors will open. And do not take it as a betrayal of the homeland, consider it a lucrative contract. The main thing is to leave this damned scoop! These are the promises hammered into the head of our citizens.

            Our children are the last generation to find live veterans of the Great Patriotic War. These people fought and died for our freedom, for our country, for us and our children to appear in this world. And what do we thank for this? In my opinion, the Battle of Sevastopol is a spit in the face of all our veterans, it is pouring slops on the graves of 27 million dead Soviet soldiers. What we learn the most from this film: Americans are all wonderful, kind, grateful, showing respect for human dignity. And the USSR is hell, where people were driven to slaughter, and those who survived were then put in camps or shot. We learn that Soviet women are unaware of the rules of morality, that fucking at the front is normal, and that the glossy cover is much more attractive than their country. Earlier Russophobian films were very alarming to me, but I have never seen such ignorance in my life. The desecration of the memory of the Great Feat is a crime and I hope that an adequate audience who cares about the victory of our people in the most terrible war in the history of mankind will issue a fair verdict to this film.

            0 of 10
            1. AGV Pagan
              AGV Pagan April 16 2015 21: 26
              +4
              Bravo! I have not read the best reviews!
              Although after reading, for some reason it’s sad to become ...
            2. CONTROL
              CONTROL April 17 2015 09: 07
              +4
              ... and most importantly - on all sorts - domestic !!! - film contests (Niki there and te de ...) - these "kin" rake the first prizes! and who awards them? ...
              A cuckoo praises a cock ...
              Where is Medinsky? ...
              It is necessary to OFFICIALLY prohibit showing in cinemas and on television and to make films posted on the Internet: "It is difficult to be a God", "Leviathan", "Battle for Sevastopol", "Battalion" ... there are also a dozen and a half of "ours" (conditionally, conditionally ours, gentlemen ...), well, and amerskih - "Treasure Seekers" there, "Number 44" and teh ...
              It is necessary to fight not only with the phenomenon, but also with the persons generating it ...
            3. ILDM1986
              ILDM1986 April 17 2015 12: 12
              -3
              Max_Bauder we are swami like we were in different films ... I somehow in the "battle for Sevostopol" did not remember any phrases about "raped German women" or about "half the country was in prison." Yes, the film does not shine with authenticity, in fact, and not about Sevastopol, and not about an autobiography, but you do not need to distort the facts in order to raise the rating on the site !. Eleanor Roosevelt is not a tough teenager, she is a smart woman, the wife of the President of the United States, and Theodore Roosevelt was also far from being a fool, and the President and his wife knew pretty well about the hostilities in the USSR. The contracts and fees that Pavlyuchenko offered - so the capitalists, a new face has appeared that can be used to achieve profit, they are happy, and Lyudmila did not seem to be particularly bought and kept herself dignified, although such attention was certainly flattered to an ordinary Soviet woman (and you in its place from the trenches and at the ball, would not get lost?). American flag - and if Yanukovych came to us in Russia to ask for help in the fight against the junta, against the background of which flag would he speak - Russian or Ukrainian? do you even know what an international is and why the capitalists did not like the USSR? where there are evil NKVDs and whoever is forcibly taken to the front - Pavlyuchenko herself was eager to fight, she left her groom for this. By the way, the love line - the soldiers that you think are iron or castrated or something, naturally gave the pretty girl signs of attention, but she did not sleep with all of them. She had nothing with the pilot except a fleeting acquaintance, with the doctor it seemed to come to marriage, but the war prevented. Well, yes, I fell in love with the chief-commander of the subunit, and that the front-line soldiers did not have wives? what is so saliva splashing right away? One loved one was killed - time passed, and fell in love with another - what should a young girl wear a celibate crown and a chastity belt? In general, it seems that you have brought cookies from Ukraine, all with one voice howling "ban films, ban directors, close borders" - do you remind yourself of anyone? look carefully, you will start jumping!
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood April 17 2015 13: 58
                +6
                Simply put, the film suffers from the same symptoms as most modern Russian war films. Solid chernukha, like sex in a trench, constant betrayals, the meanness of individual NKVD officers and military, etc., is being brought to the fore. At the same time, for some reason, emphasis is placed on the United States, profitable contracts, etc., giving the viewer the impression that it was necessary to abandon this hated Scoop and leave and stay in blessed America. All this is clumsily wrapped in a pseudo-Hollywood shell with a ton of unnecessary special effects, computer graphics, cardboard explosions, etc. At the exit, we have a cheap and inept attempt to copy American military blockbusters, while unreasonably denigrating the feat of the Red Army fighters, instead of real heroism, focusing attention on chernukha: meanness, hypocrisy, violence and other dirt and lawlessness that accompanies any war. All this was natural, no one denies. But why put it in the foreground. The difference between the Soviet films and the current ones is that they glorified the greatness of the Soviet troops, showed the heroism shown by the soldiers at the front or the workers in the rear.
                Frankly, I have reviewed quite a lot of modern war films, both ours and foreign ones. Neither Americans, nor Europeans, nor Chinese, nor Koreans, nor Japanese in their films pour as much dirt on themselves as we do. They shoot a patriotic movie that arouses in the viewer a sense of pride in their army or a sense of sorrow for the dead. Even the Germans and Japanese - potential aggressors in World War II, who got what they deserve, try to film about special cases of heroism of the soldiers of their armies who bravely fought in the name of the Führer or the Emperor. And only at us some obscure diarrhea with an incomprehensible plot is removed, showing its military all in all, causing only a feeling of disgust and disgust after watching.
              2. Max_Bauder
                Max_Bauder April 18 2015 09: 35
                +3
                Quote: ILDM1986
                "ban films, ban directors, close borders" - don't you remind yourself of anyone? look carefully, you will start jumping!


                Nobody forbids watching, they don't give EARNING on the audience and rightly so, there will be no money, there will be no motivation for the liberals to pour dirt on the country through the cinema. By your logic, there is something to look at in the leviathan, the history that took place in the USA? Do you really think that people in the West will see exceptionally good things about Russians in these films? do not be a prude, outright pouring mud and do not defend the liberals who hate Russia, they are fed to carry on propaganda from abroad, they still want to make money on us "suckers". Don't worry about jumping, the Russians never did it, even with the Mongols.

                PySy. Do you want a good, anti-war, life film about the fate of a person, a people? look at the South Korean "38th parallel", that's how you should shoot.
            4. Oslyabya
              Oslyabya April 17 2015 12: 45
              0
              I am grateful to you for a decent material
            5. rodevaan
              rodevaan April 18 2015 07: 55
              +2
              - Just "Liberation", "The Fate of a Man", "They Fought for the Motherland", "Two Soldiers" and other masterpieces of Soviet war cinema - filmed by people who fought themselves, who themselves saw the war and not from books and not from a zombie box knew that it is. Therefore, films about the war turned out to be real. And now the generation of "Pepsi" is filming, but the generation of the 90s, which, apart from fucking in any episode, and the bazaar of the 90s, knows nothing and does not know how. From here we look at the domestic crap and complete crap, not war. What can we say about Hoollywood.
        5. voronin-1966
          voronin-1966 April 19 2015 00: 09
          0
          I agree, but better late than never. Down and Out trouble started. You can't force your grandson to watch "Well, wait a minute," but the ninja turtles vrev asks to watch.
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      3. Aleksander
        Aleksander April 16 2015 10: 42
        -8
        Quote: Polovec
        True style is terrible ...


        It’s worse for you ...
        1. Polovec
          Polovec April 16 2015 12: 17
          +13
          Aleksander (1)
          I am writing and struggling with replacing text. The style suffers from the constant retyping of words corrected by the program. And you can’t disconnect!
          And by the way. If you did not have the desire to address me in the plural, then "you" is written with a capital letter.
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          2. Aleksander
            Aleksander April 16 2015 21: 45
            -7
            Quote: Polovec
            And by the way. If you did not have the desire to address me in the plural, then "you" is written with a capital letter.


            "you" with a small letter is not "you", but also not "you". Is that clearer?
            1. Polovec
              Polovec April 17 2015 07: 35
              +2
              Now it’s not clear at all! Maybe in the Moldavian language there is another form of pronouns that is different from Russian and you just unsuccessfully correspond to the translation of a phrase?
            2. CONTROL
              CONTROL April 17 2015 09: 10
              +2
              ... we ... you ... you! ..
              OH !!! and all things! ..!
              We, the lords, are not expressive to express ourselves like that! out of place you ...

              (I apologize generously - I caught a cold, a temperature; I try to cheer up a joke, lower the degree, so to speak ...)
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    2. Darkness
      Darkness April 16 2015 08: 08
      +1
      How can a gentleman be offended?
    3. PPL
      PPL April 16 2015 09: 02
      +5
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The Ministry of Culture will not hurt to pay attention to some film products ...

      good
      ... it’s enough that there are Mikhalkov and Zvyagintsev.

      If only they, there is still a whole galaxy of figures, the same Lungin with his remake "Motherland", what is better?
      1. Combitor
        Combitor April 16 2015 10: 02
        +13
        Quote: PPZ
        the same Lungin with his remake "Homeland

        That's it. Why blame the Americans. They got used to a strange monastery with dirty boots with their own charter. We have filmed such movie shit, that's unfortunate.
    4. stavr550
      stavr550 April 16 2015 10: 01
      +6
      how such a film as HOMELAND went through the central ones with frenzied advertising. for such films for hard labor and Mashkova for retirement or in Galiwood there are so glad
      1. Luzhichanin
        Luzhichanin April 16 2015 10: 07
        -1
        Quote: stavr550
        how such a film as HOMELAND went through the central ones with frenzied advertising. for such films for hard labor and Mashkova for retirement or in Galiwood there are so glad
        It’s not harmful to dream, to hard labor, or even let them simply fall to their West, if they really like their Western morality ...
        and the Medinsky with their team and the Mashkovs and Zvyagintsevs and Mikhalkovs. what did you forget here? oh yes the opportunity to cut loot ...
    5. SveTok
      SveTok April 16 2015 10: 44
      +3
      All that is withdrawn on budget money should go through a tender; this will improve both the script and the quality of the film and increase the financial return.
      1. 6 inches
        6 inches April 16 2015 12: 28
        +1
        oh unlikely ... it's the budget. whoever will win back more and more. unfortunately everything related to the budget happens that way.
    6. Vend
      Vend April 16 2015 11: 12
      +6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Not the West to shoot about Russia. They do not understand our mentality and do not know our life. They always have a red line: vodka-balalaika-wilderness and dirt-rudeness and of course repression, and in a distorted way.
      we have enough domestic cinema rubbish. Even, I would say, in abundance

      I agree with the author. By the way, the Ministry of Culture will not hurt to pay attention to some film products shot with state money.

      I agree, even look at the photo, the heroes are more Germans of Nazi Germany reminiscent than Russian.
    7. gorge1945
      gorge1945 April 16 2015 18: 20
      +3
      But what is "Red Heat" where Schwarzeneger plays some kind of freak completely unlike a Russian officer, and the role of Dolph Lungren where he looks more like a gorilla and not a man. All these roles were written from a self-portrait.
      1. Russian063
        Russian063 April 16 2015 20: 56
        +3
        When I first watched "Red Heat" I didn't take Schwarzenegger's hero seriously for a minute. This was filmed, comically. And here - turn off the light, throw a grenade. Cut and cut with the writers.
    8. Russian063
      Russian063 April 16 2015 20: 47
      0
      Mr. Medinsky especially do not approve, but this does not apply to this particular fact. Still got the gears in place !! Maybe everything will work out .... And there the Russian film industry will return to normal ...
    9. Sharapov
      Sharapov April 17 2015 06: 54
      +3
      The main trouble is not that they do not understand the Russian mentality - in my opinion, they do not strive for this. The main problem is that our "partners", their mother, purposefully want to get rid of us.
    10. another
      another April 17 2015 20: 05
      0
      Do you have to ride or checkers? At five, my mother wanted to drown herself in a well from hunger. Her year of birth is 1935.
    11. another
      another April 17 2015 20: 05
      0
      Do you have to ride or checkers? At five, my mother wanted to drown herself in a well from hunger. Her year of birth is 1935.
    12. sssla
      sssla April 18 2015 22: 03
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Do not shoot west about Russia

      Sorry, but let the West take off what he wants BUT ---
      I don’t expect such a thing from our Ministry of Culture.

      So, to take and withdraw the rental license from the movie for 2 the day before the premiere is, you know, something. Precedent, however.
      It is necessary to look and think at the stage what to take to show our viewer !!! That is, simple censorship! Then there will be no "precedent, however"
  2. domokl
    domokl April 16 2015 06: 45
    +5
    I agree. If a person wants to understand another person, he should not conjecture the story of that person. He just come and talk. See, read the memories. All sides. Objectivity comes over the years. But propaganda does not need the truth.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 April 16 2015 11: 38
      +5
      Objectivity in FIG is not needed. There are media products that are harmful to the state-wu and, in fact, are weapons in the information war, but there are weapons of their own. So you need to show what you need. Media production forms a person’s point of view and if he shows leviathans and penal battles from childhood, he will not psychologically associate himself with his homeland. Films, games, books - all this is extremely important and contains what is laid at the level of the subconscious - installation. In the USSR, they understood this perfectly and gave the right attitude — white bad, red good, stealing badly, a working person — the basis of everything, work is necessary, it is an honor to die for the motherland, and so on. Then a hunchbacked one came and destroyed this system, and intergirls poured on the screen, the settings of which were completely different - prostitution is normal, gray people are around, the west is fashionable and beautiful, do not be a scoop, etc. To get the generation that the country needs, it is necessary to give its own guidelines and fight against the enemy and the truth, objectivity, tolerance, etc., absolutely nothing to do with it. It doesn’t matter to me at all whether the feat of 28 Panfilov’s was real, but there is a legend and it gives the correct settings, which means that it needs to be promoted and a good film about her should be made. The only problem is that very few directors here can make a high-quality film, and even more so about the war, which will be watched more times and which can invest in a person.
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan April 18 2015 08: 00
        +1
        Quote: g1v2
        Objectivity in FIG is not needed. There are media products that are harmful to the state-wu and, in fact, are weapons in the information war, but there are weapons of their own. So you need to show what you need. Media production forms a person’s point of view and if he shows leviathans and penal battles from childhood, he will not psychologically associate himself with his homeland. Films, games, books - all this is extremely important and contains what is laid at the level of the subconscious - installation. In the USSR, they understood this perfectly and gave the right attitude — white bad, red good, stealing badly, a working person — the basis of everything, work is necessary, it is an honor to die for the motherland, and so on. Then a hunchbacked one came and destroyed this system, and intergirls poured on the screen, the settings of which were completely different - prostitution is normal, gray people are around, the west is fashionable and beautiful, do not be a scoop, etc. To get the generation that the country needs, it is necessary to give its own guidelines and fight against the enemy and the truth, objectivity, tolerance, etc., absolutely nothing to do with it. It doesn’t matter to me at all whether the feat of 28 Panfilov’s was real, but there is a legend and it gives the correct settings, which means that it needs to be promoted and a good film about her should be made. The only problem is that very few directors here can make a high-quality film, and even more so about the war, which will be watched more times and which can invest in a person.


        - You certainly reason correctly, - but who will make these films? In order to make such a film about the war as they did in the USSR, do you know how much money you need? It will not pay off, and now long ago there was a conveyorization of film production, as in Hollywood. Stamp cheap stuff to make money. And under this cheap stuff they drive everything, even such topics as war. If in the USSR, cinema was not a business, but a special state domestic policy, which was aimed at the CORRECT education of the young generation, and all citizens in general, then now it is business and nothing personal. And there you know yourself - any standards are good that make a profit.
        This is a whole domestic policy - to make the right and high-quality cinema for your viewer. And this is not 1 any person should do - but the state as a whole.
  3. KBACYPA
    KBACYPA April 16 2015 06: 48
    +10
    "They should cook Teletubbies, no more"

    Yes, it seems that they were preparing teletubbies. You can not let them in to children. Otherwise, this will grow ...
  4. Hagakure
    Hagakure April 16 2015 06: 53
    +29
    Watch Soviet films about the war and do not worry your nerves ...
    1. activator
      activator April 16 2015 07: 36
      -69
      Quote: Hagakure
      Watch Soviet films about the war and do not worry your nerves ...

      Quote: Hagakure
      Watch Soviet films about the war and do not worry your nerves ...

      When I watch Soviet films about the Soviet army, I feel nauseous because the reality is completely different, especially in the relations of the soldiers, the officer, after an urgent term, stopped believing in the good fathers of the commanders. Yes, and according to the stories of veterans, but not those who spoke at all the rallies, but those who didn’t speak patriotic speeches as if they looked somewhat different than in Soviet films. So why watch them if they all embellish? I just want to see how it really was and not fairy tales.
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 April 16 2015 07: 53
        +18
        When I watch Soviet films about the Soviet army, I feel sick
        I understand you, but!
        not about the army, but about the war, and preferably the early ones, before the beginning of 70x, then wild diarrhea went in the form of all kinds of Tsibulei soldiers.
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL April 17 2015 09: 17
          0
          ... Voinovich here pushed seriously with his Chonkin ...
      2. Darkness
        Darkness April 16 2015 07: 56
        +14
        Come from the country of 404?
        Then it’s clear why it makes you sick.
      3. Bug
        Bug April 16 2015 09: 18
        -58
        Bravo activator !!! You're absolutely right!!! but here you are reaping like in a country ... as Shaposhnikov said .. we won and that’s it .. neh. like stirring up the past .... I agree with you ... especially having served in the army, where the soldier, as he was with Peter, was a gray cattle and in our time remained .. moreover, he really lived in prison ...
        1. Comrade Bender
          Comrade Bender April 16 2015 10: 06
          +14
          Why were you imprisoned, what did you serve in prison?
          You should not carry such nonsense!
        2. Carlos
          Carlos April 16 2015 17: 07
          +7
          It feels like you and the activator only served in the army. I served with you in Belarus, and I assure you I was not a crude cattle, although whoever served as he writes.
          1. Russian063
            Russian063 April 16 2015 21: 03
            +1
            I had no "gray cattle" in my company. KZakVO. Special Forces of the Airborne Forces.
      4. Proud.
        Proud. April 16 2015 09: 23
        +9
        Quote: activator
        When I watch Soviet films about the Soviet army, I feel sick because the reality is completely different, especially in the relations of the soldiers, the officer, in general, after urgency ceased to believe in the good fathers of the commanders.

        1.Maybe you are just out of luck? With the commanders 2. Or is the reason not in them, but in you?
        Quote: activator
        And according to the stories of veterans, but not those who spoke at all the rallies, but those who did not speak patriotic speeches, it seemed somewhat different than in Soviet films.

        How many veterans, so many opinions.
      5. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender April 16 2015 10: 08
        +2
        It was necessary to serve honestly, then the attitude towards you would be human.
      6. provincial
        provincial April 16 2015 10: 22
        +9
        What he served in the construction battalion, autorote, railway divisions, because ISB is not an army, but auxiliary units. and hazing there was very high. I served in the reconnaissance battalion and am proud of it, and the officers there were class by all requirements. And this activator is from Hohland and possibly from the right sector.
        1. Russian063
          Russian063 April 16 2015 21: 04
          0
          Activator is the essence of TROLL. I got my way ..) comrades .. zamusili jerk and calm down .. do not deliver the topic.
      7. Bro_kable
        Bro_kable April 16 2015 11: 07
        +13
        There may be urgent urgency and strife, but not a little depends on the person himself. In the Northern Fleet, where I served, for some it was hard labor, I understand ... because the sailors both shot, and hung themselves, and ran into the tundra to drive them away. And in my opinion, they are spineless entities. sorry for their muzzled, of course. But if they had the slightest hardness in the spine - there would be nothing so terrible. I judge purely on my own and in my relations with years and my appeal. Almost all the officers and the midshipman were good people, with the exception of a couple of prokhindyey, and those with neither fish nor meat. I was no hero - yesterday’s usual pioneer, whose hooligans took a trifle from their pockets at school. But an understanding has ripened for the service that you don’t have to give yourself to anyone. I didn’t do anything. Just stated this immediately, as he came to the crew, withstood a couple of collisions. And that’s all. This is not a prison, comrades. Around the same children as you or a little older, if we talk about the officers. Everything was elementary to the point of banality. Be a man, and other people will reach for you.
        Remembering Soviet films - what was so embellished there? everything was approximately the same if you take the front side. And then they didn’t shoot the grubby. Relationships - yes they were. Moreover, given that morals have changed from decade to decade. My father - by the way, he was 59 years old, a missile engineer, had time to fight with the Bandera, having served in Transcarpathia for an extra year - he also said that they had no year of birth (hazing, that is, on the ground). But he also had to strangle one grandfather with a karasevka at night, explaining to him that you shouldn’t misbehave, otherwise you could die in this field ... And then the normal service began. It was about the same with me, albeit more fun. And then my service began. Yes, not - I believe that you were such a normal D'Artagnan, and around there were such homo-directed people that there were no normal relations at all, and definitely not like in the movies. But even if so - why are you sure that this was the rule, and not the exception to it? have you listened to tales of friends about the service? do they scold her a lot? I don’t know - everyone as one remembers mine with pleasure. Literally with the exception of one, who suffered mental trauma there for the rest of his life.
        Well, in the family, as they say, not without the victim ...
        1. activator
          activator April 16 2015 17: 19
          -8
          Quote: Stas57
          not about the army, but about the war, and preferably the early ones, before the beginning of 70x, then wild diarrhea went in the form of all kinds of Tsibulei soldiers.
          So you agree that not all Soviet films are worth watching?
          Quote: Darkness
          Come from the country of 404?
          Then it’s clear why it makes you sick.

          I am amazed at your vision of the essence of things, perhaps if it weren’t for my flag, there would be nothing to blur wink
          Quote: Be proud.
          1.Maybe you are just out of luck? With the commanders 2. Or is the reason not in them, but in you?
          I was just unlucky the third baht where the drunken officers came at night and fires set up at the disposal or even crap and the guys ran for half a night. The guy from the same unit that one of the group of raiders could not fulfill the standard for dressing Azka was unlucky accordingly, they chased everyone because he shot himself and wrote a note like I don’t want my comrades to suffer because of me, the name of the commander is known. It’s not worth mentioning about cleaning officers' apartments and washing floors.
          Quote: Be proud.
          How many veterans, so many opinions.

          Watching Soviet films can not be said.
          Quote: provincial
          And so this activator from Hohland and possibly from the right sector

          I give ninety percent that if you were to live in Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR, then most likely you would now be sitting on the censor and vilify Putin and Russia in vain, and after talking to me they called me Separ, because it’s easier to think of templates and labels.
          Quote: Bro_Kable
          Yes, not - I believe that you were such a normal D'Artagnan, and around there were such homo-directed people that there were no normal relations at all, and definitely not like in the movies. But even if so - why are you sure that this was the rule, and not the exception to it? have you listened to tales of friends about the service? do they scold her a lot? I don’t know - everyone as one remembers mine with pleasure. Literally except for one, which for the whole

          About Dartanyan, what are you talking about? so do not seek the essence of this thought I could not catch. About the memories I might be surprised, but I also remember with pleasure.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio April 16 2015 22: 52
            +4
            +++ I was just lucky the third bat was unlucky where drunken officers at night came and fires set up at the disposal or some kind of crap and the guys ran for half a night. The guy from the same unit that one of the group of raiders could not fulfill the standard by dressing the Azka respectively, they chased everyone because he shot himself and wrote a note like I don’t want my comrades to suffer because of me, the name of the commander is known. It’s not worth mentioning about cleaning officers' apartments and washing floors. ++++++

            washing officers' apartments by soldiers ??? I imagine this washing in an apartment, and even soldiers! either your imagination, or is it something worse than a disbath, but where does the whole army, and films about the army?
            1. activator
              activator April 17 2015 12: 19
              -6
              Quote: Victorio

              washing officers' apartments by soldiers ??? I imagine this washing in an apartment, and even soldiers! either your imagination, or is it something worse than a disbath, but where does the whole army, and films about the army?

              Yes, it’s exactly my imagination and the gardens that were dug, repairs were done, the other day when they celebrated in a narrow officer circle they were servants. And in the gums, the sergeants took a video from the officer and twisted the films two hundred at a time one hundred and fifty grandmothers in half they even had a turn there when whose tape recorder to take. And the cleaning of the arrangement in the gums was three times a day, and for a while they did not have time to fill everything with water, and probably in case of war it’s the most laughing . And as the soldiers called officers you know? jackals and Germans is probably from great love? But remember the first Chechen that God forbid that now something is changing in the Russian army, the soldiers began to pay, they began to wear, that they do not look like homeless people, as we once had a chance to vilify the Afghan people as well. .
          2. CONTROL
            CONTROL April 17 2015 09: 30
            +1
            I never dreamed of a military career, but - he served as an urgent soldier (senior sergeant, ss school, who knows ...): I will pay the debt! ...
            ... And then - for international reasons - he drummed an officer! and I do not regret anything! The army is the same life! with a lot of stuff ...
            Now - at a respectable old age, I often and closely deal with the church ... The same thing - everything is just like in life: there are saints and sinners enough! ... but mostly ordinary people, as in life ... or in the army: priests ex officio ... that is - sorry - rank officers ...
            or vice versa?
            In general - everything, as in life!
          3. Wildcat-731
            Wildcat-731 April 18 2015 18: 06
            0
            No, well, exactly: "Activator" -troll !! am
            He also writes illiterate. fool
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      9. MMX
        MMX April 16 2015 20: 37
        0
        When I watch Soviet films about the Soviet army, I feel sick because the reality is completely different


        So what do you recommend watching? What films cut the truth-womb according to yours?
        1. Bug
          Bug April 17 2015 09: 41
          -3
          about how zamusunut .. EPT ... then wise men explain to me what is the difference between everyday life and spending the day between the ZK and conscripts?
      10. Russian063
        Russian063 April 16 2015 21: 00
        +3
        Well, in the film "44" and "Razor for Sevastopol", the truth is shown. You should not seem more stupid than you really are ... If you personally were not lucky with your father-commander, then you should assume that he is not alone in the army. And yet there are real, worthy officers, whom the soldiers seriously call "dads".
        1. activator
          activator April 17 2015 12: 29
          -3
          Quote: Russian063
          worthy officers, whom the soldiers seriously call "fathers".

          I agree there is only retire at best by the majors, and young and nimble after a year and a half, as if from the school already ran as a captain, I wonder what kind of merits they did? lol
  5. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey April 16 2015 06: 54
    +12
    Medinsky respect, better late than never, and modern films about the war of Russian directors and scriptwriters would also not hinder Medinsky from banning at least the 70th anniversary of the Great Patriotic War, there are not so many veterans left, so at least they don’t give a damn about the soul of such films is possible.
  6. Lyton
    Lyton April 16 2015 06: 55
    +10
    The mattresses in their films always lied about us, this is only one episode with the film, and we need to carefully filter this movie rubbish and the same disc games where the player must shoot Russian soldiers, this should not be sold in Russia.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 16 2015 08: 07
      +23
      In response, you need to make your own films and make computer games, where Russian soldiers are represented in the form of heroes and saviors of humanity.
      In computer games, in general, everything is prosral, and this is a huge zone of influence on adolescents.
      1. Luzhichanin
        Luzhichanin April 16 2015 09: 53
        +1
        Quote: Darkness
        make computer games

        in this case, while only Belarusians have mastered with their tanks, they made a good answer in the information field
        1. Darkness
          Darkness April 16 2015 10: 27
          +3
          Yes, and they removed the Brest Fortress. That's what bloody totalitarianism means! They don’t let the Twarts turn around)))
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 16 2015 18: 00
      0
      Quote: Lyton
      and the same disc games where the player must shoot Russian soldiers, this should not be sold in Russia.
      The game community in Russia will be against it, because it will be necessary to ban most military hits like Call of Duty or Battlefield, because there the Russians somehow act as the enemy to shoot at.
  7. koksalek
    koksalek April 16 2015 06: 55
    +5
    Here, rather, a scythe on a stone found, patriotism among moneybags is not found, their idol is profit at all costs. TV and movie rental proof of this
  8. Armax
    Armax April 16 2015 07: 08
    +8
    Medinsky’s views were previously patriotic, but he’s really glad that he turned from words to action.
    Regarding the release of such a brew, this is how they say: "business, nothing personal." It's high time not only to control them, but also to punish them. And then wherever you spit, some superheroes-Betman, spider-men and wolverines.
    Children have nowhere to watch a good tale.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 16 2015 08: 04
      +5
      We have a lot of patriotic domestic fiction. Just sorry in the books.
      It is not clear what prevents the adaptation of the same Ancient?
      1. Armax
        Armax April 16 2015 09: 16
        +1
        Why do we need science fiction, in real life, such stories can be found, science fiction is resting.
        You can take our history from the time of Vladimir, until the invasion of Georgia in South Ossetia and beyond.
        In the award performances, in the memoirs of soldiers and officers of any of the wars at sea and on land, do not shovel!
        There are real people-heroes.
        What to fantasize is.
        1. Darkness
          Darkness April 16 2015 10: 30
          0
          There must be different genres. And about the past and about the future. In addition, the Americans have forgotten how to shoot high-quality fiction, such as Babylon 5, etc. This niche must be occupied.
    2. Bonham
      Bonham April 16 2015 09: 33
      +7
      Medinsky’s views were previously patriotic, but he’s really glad that he turned from words to action.

      It's just that Medinsky began to select a worthy team of assistants. After all, the Ministry of Culture is engaged not only in cinema, but also in artists, sculptors, theater, folk art, etc. It is impossible to have time to read all the scripts in time and predict the "freedom of expression" of all authors. Therefore, I am glad that our man, a well-known translator, film critic, public figure, has appeared in Medinsky's team. Dmitry Puchkov (Goblin)!
      Who recently said at a press conference that if he had got into this team early, such a Russophobic dull g like "Leviathan" would not have passed!
      lazy to watch with 5.20 и с 31 minutes (all about the Ministry of Culture)
      1. Armax
        Armax April 16 2015 09: 51
        +3
        Yes, without a command to the minister, no where.
        D. Puchkov really thinks soberly, saw his interview, and largely agrees.
      2. Luzhichanin
        Luzhichanin April 16 2015 10: 00
        -5
        Quote: Bonham
        Public figure Dmitry Puchkov (Goblin)!
        Who recently said at a press conference that if he had got into this team early, such a Russophobic dull g like "Leviathan" would not have passed!

        so let's see how much more dirt will spill over the Russian people from the moment Goblin joined the team of the pseudo-patriot Medinsky ... as if there would be a lot to depend on him? how many various ministries, organizations, public councils have we gathered, but is there any sense? no, but the people sitting there feed on power and bend the pro-government line
      3. Darkness
        Darkness April 16 2015 10: 32
        +4
        The goblin, in general, has been waiting for napalm in recent years. I read his deadlock constantly.
    3. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin April 16 2015 09: 56
      +3
      Quote: ArMax
      Medinsky’s views were previously beaten patriotic

      something about films, performances, exhibitions sponsored by the Ministry of Culture, this is invisible !!!
      and the phrase about Shevchenko was already beaten up ... I understand, of course, that we need to look for common ground with the current Ukrainian children, but why not Gogol?
      Medinsky and people like him down with the ministry!
      1. Armax
        Armax April 16 2015 11: 36
        +1
        I do not presume to defend Medinsky (after all, I know little about him), but it can be argued that actively promoting my views without authority and a team is immediately impossible.
        Vladimir Putin is a vivid example of this, calmly, progressively, step by step, and how now he is far from himself in 2000.
        Of course I do not say that so, anyone else can. hi
    4. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 16 2015 18: 05
      +2
      Quote: ArMax
      Medinsky’s views were previously patriotic, but he’s really glad that he turned from words to action.
      It is not clear only why he let "Leviathan" and "Stalingrad", "Battle for Sevastopol" and "Motherland" to rent. And as for the garbage "Burnt by the Sun" Mikhalkov even had the audacity to say that this is one of the best Russian war films of recent times, and all citizens of Russia should watch it. So he is a fake patriot. Banned one shitty American film, which I first learned about from this article, and allows a lot of equally shitty but already Russian films to be shown with an abundance of preliminary announcements, advertisements on TV, etc.
      1. kamikaze
        kamikaze April 16 2015 19: 02
        +1
        I’ll watch Soviet cinema ... some old men will fight .. two soldiers. exemption. star.
      2. kamikaze
        kamikaze April 16 2015 19: 02
        0
        I’ll watch Soviet cinema ... some old men will fight .. two soldiers. exemption. star.
      3. Armax
        Armax April 16 2015 19: 23
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        Banned one shitty American movie

        I am writing about that: "... but it really pleases me that I have moved from words to deeds."
        And on the sensational "tangeiser" in Novosibirsk, he initiated a check, maybe and really will be of use.
  9. sergant89
    sergant89 April 16 2015 07: 18
    +40
    I am waiting for Victory Day on May 9 and "28 Panfilovs", and "gav-n-o-llywood brew" in the furnace.
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 April 16 2015 20: 09
      +3
      Quote: sergant89
      , I will go "They fought for the Motherland" I will revise.

      So exactly soldier And besides this, I will also review Hot Snow, Battalions ask for fire, Checked - no, Chronicle of a diving bomber, Torpedo bombers, Star, Squad, Commander of a happy Pike, Lark ..... I specially collected them all on CDs, my favorite films .... hi
  10. Ivan Slavyanin
    Ivan Slavyanin April 16 2015 07: 28
    +9
    I am sure that censorship in culture and art is needed to protect future generations from lying about our homeland and its history.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin April 16 2015 09: 53
      0
      Quote: Ivan Slav
      I am sure that censorship in culture and art is needed to protect future generations from lying about our homeland and its history.

      And yet, if this happened, let IT be voiced by Puchkov.
  11. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack April 16 2015 07: 34
    +4
    right! We have nothing to twist this heresy!
  12. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 16 2015 07: 36
    +1
    The crucial thing is that we must finally put an end to a series of endless schizophrenic reflections about ourselves.

    That's for sure, it's high time.
  13. Agent 008
    Agent 008 April 16 2015 07: 40
    -39
    Well, they removed it ... The more interesting it will be to download it later and see what is there that the Ministry of Culture decides for me what to watch and what not! You all follow Medinsky, he is worried about your moral character, we, like little children, "do not understand" where they just shot an action movie, and where a serious film ... In general, I personally am against removing the film from the rental! We have our own film shit in bulk, and unreasonable censorship is not good, if you don't want to, don't look ...
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 April 16 2015 08: 06
      +22
      Well, they removed it ... The more interesting it will be to download it later and see what is there that the Ministry of Culture decides for me what to watch and what not! You all follow Medinsky, he is worried about your moral character, we, like little children, "do not understand" where they just shot an action movie, and where a serious film ... In general, I personally am against removing the film from the rental! We have our own film shit in bulk, and unreasonable censorship is not good, if you don't want to, don't look ...
      Who really wants to watch this movie will download it from Torrent. Not issuing a rental certificate and banning a film are different things, the point here is that the citizens of 1/6 of the land do not support this picture with a ruble. This is the right of any country. In China, there is generally a qualification for foreign films, Migalkov, as far as I remember, did not receive a distribution certificate in the USA for his "Siberian Barber".
    2. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik April 16 2015 10: 32
      +1
      It will be all the more interesting to download it later and see what is there that the Ministry of Culture decides for me what to watch and what not!

      In the movie "44 Number" (Child 44) directed by Daniel Espinosa, the main action takes place in 1953. The main character - Lev Demidov (Tom Hardy) - a pupil of an orphanage who survived the 1933 famine of the year and, according to the film, hoisted the Victory Banner over the Reichstag, works for some organization called the NGB and cracks down on "enemies of the people." After his wife Raisa (Numi Rapas) gets on the list of such enemies, Demidova is sent to the city of Volsk and degraded to the position of a local policeman who is led by General Nesterov (Gary Oldman). In Volsk, Demidov goes on the trail of a maniac, on whose account the murder of 44 children along the railway tracks from Vladimir to Rostov-on-Don. Demidov is trying to find the killer, while his former NGB colleagues are hunting for Demidov himself.

      Avona how ...
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik April 16 2015 13: 40
        0
        Minus those who disagree with the fact that the plot is emetic, adit?
  14. KOH
    KOH April 16 2015 07: 42
    +3
    Once in Rostov ... a policeman drinks beer with gangsters, a complete idiot, in the KGB they sit down at one another, they substitute, one generally went to read the Bible, good characters Kolesnikov and a student who brought the professor’s scribble to Moscow a janitor, a healthy man who doesn’t want to work , says that everything is bad, and besides, it’s connected with the special services of the United States, I don’t know how anyone, but I really wanted to be caught by GGB officers in a place with a student ...
    Sometimes you look at the drunken on the roads, who kill several people, who steal so that the pens are 36lmn each, at the races in the church, what Leningrad had to say was to pass, and much more, maybe it was as it was shown in the film but society would be cleaner ...
  15. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala April 16 2015 07: 45
    +9
    But this is not a reason for Hollywood to start making films about Soviet reality.

    I would write:
    But this is not a reason for Hollywood to start making films about fictional Soviet reality.
  16. KOH
    KOH April 16 2015 07: 51
    +9
    About the movie leviathan:

    MOSCOW, April 14 - RIA Novosti. The film, after which there is a desire to "go out and shoot yourself," cannot be a work of art, said Archimandrite Tikhon (Shevkunov), secretary of the Patriarchal Council for Culture, during a discussion of Andrei Zvyagintsev's painting "Leviathan" at a meeting with students at Moscow State Pedagogical University.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 16 2015 07: 58
      +15
      I do not know. After watching this masterpiece, I had a desire to go out and shoot Zvyagintsev and the seasoned Russophobe Serebryakov.
      1. KOH
        KOH April 16 2015 08: 00
        +4
        Duc silver pieces in Canada, too, cut, the breath of time ...
    2. Agent 008
      Agent 008 April 16 2015 07: 59
      -26
      Quote: CON
      About the movie leviathan:

      MOSCOW, April 14 - RIA Novosti. The film, after which there is a desire to "go out and shoot yourself," cannot be a work of art, said Archimandrite Tikhon (Shevkunov), secretary of the Patriarchal Council for Culture, during a discussion of Andrei Zvyagintsev's painting "Leviathan" at a meeting with students at Moscow State Pedagogical University.

      Interestingly, will the archimandrite shoot himself, or have he already shot himself? Than to call for suicide, the priests would be better to put things in order, otherwise they roll out drunk on jeeps, they knock people down, and they do not shun debauchery against minors ...
  17. crasever
    crasever April 16 2015 07: 58
    +2
    Tourists theirs, after a walk through Russian cities, stay out - "how many beautiful women you have, just walk down the street" !!! But they stubbornly continue to vtyuhivat us, businessmen from Western cinema "standards" are their Roberts, or Foster ...
  18. Andrey Ulyanovsky
    Andrey Ulyanovsky April 16 2015 08: 00
    +2
    Comrade Medinsky’s start was very impressed

    The country experienced an era of stagnation, suffered from perestroika, spat out an unnamed timelessness, it was time to meet the dawn.
    Oldman, your mother, was a good actor !?
  19. Darkness
    Darkness April 16 2015 08: 00
    +2
    Somehow I don’t trust Medinsky ...
    We’ll see if this is the beginning of a new path or a one-time promotion by May 9th.
    Something Solzhenitsyn not removed from the school curriculum.
    1. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin April 16 2015 10: 05
      +2
      Quote: Darkness
      Something Solzhenitsyn not removed from the school curriculum.

      And they won’t take it away, and the films will be released the same shitty as the time and performances and exhibitions and all at our expense while in power such pseudo-patriots as Medinsky
  20. Stas57
    Stas57 April 16 2015 08: 01
    +5
    great news.

    1. those who need it will download, look, but the main thing is that they won’t make money for us. So there is no prohibition of the film, do not wipe the snot, which is censorship.
    2. they take off their own .... and they get money that they don’t give back, and even though they ask (hi Mikhalkov)
    3. The minister needs to tackle the issue of our film production more tightly and not give out our money in all directions to every guano.

  21. free
    free April 16 2015 08: 02
    0
    look at any Hollywood movie made in the last 3-4 years, it’s the same pornography disguised as a feature film, and the actors are the same as in this garbage of cinema, and these animals want to explain and prove something to me? My will I would beat them for a long time boots on the head with the very same that the Russian Soldiers wore!
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 16 2015 18: 29
      0
      Sadness is with them. It’s raining again in Brighton Beach, and the films are all diarrhea. lol
  22. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 16 2015 08: 06
    +2
    "I liked the look of the" Russian "on the poster, such a normal" Russian "with the appearance of a Latin American pedot! And yet, violating our rights, they seem to have the right to violate their own, well, so, how many blacks in the village where this "policeman" got to, and if there are no blacks, this is some kind of racism !!!
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 16 2015 08: 15
      +2
      Duc, the director, it seems, is himself from "these", non-traditional)))
  23. larand
    larand April 16 2015 08: 19
    +6
    The author asks: "Who were the people who prepared the film for distribution? Did they sound, advertise, write reviews, motivate this kinokhlyobovo for distribution?"

    Like who, the entrepreneurs who live on Mars are ready for any crime for profit. I believe that contributing to nurturing your country is a more vile crime than stealing from a beggar.
  24. Agent 008
    Agent 008 April 16 2015 08: 21
    -1
    Quote: crasever
    Tourists theirs, after a walk through Russian cities, stay out - "how many beautiful women you have, just walk down the street" !!! But they stubbornly continue to vtyuhivat us, businessmen from Western cinema "standards" are their Roberts, or Foster ...

    What do you have against Roberts, Foster or Kidman? Beautiful women, good actresses with world fame! And there are many beautiful women, and in America ...
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 17 2015 09: 39
      +1
      ... Here THESE are beautiful? ...
      ... well, you have tastes, my friend ... it's a cross between a horse and an elk, any of them! Anglo-Saxons are generally non-photogenic race ...
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 17 2015 14: 03
        0
        As for Roberts and Foster mb, and I agree, they are very amateur. But Kidman in her youth was very pretty, in vain you are. Anyway, there are a lot of beautiful actresses in Hollywood. Whoever gets there is not taken.
  25. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur April 16 2015 08: 22
    +1
    Correctly done what was banned. Medinsky respect.
  26. sunzhenets
    sunzhenets April 16 2015 08: 30
    +4
    Article plus. The Ministry of Culture is also a plus.
    We are waiting for them to get to TV. Look, the first channel shows "Once Upon a Time in Rostov" - filmed with the sole purpose of spoiling everything Soviet.
    It is necessary to punish the ruble for channels that allow such an abomination to be shown.
  27. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus April 16 2015 09: 00
    +4
    it is enough that there are Mikhalkov and Zvyagintsev
    And where is Bondarchuk? angry Forgot? He probably hurt ?!
    1. PPL
      PPL April 16 2015 09: 10
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir 23rus
      it is enough that there are Mikhalkov and Zvyagintsev
      And where is Bondarchuk?

      Bondarchuk's father has great films, and as a rule, nature rests on talented children ... lol
  28. Thompson
    Thompson April 16 2015 09: 06
    +1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Not the West to shoot about Russia. They do not understand our mentality and do not know our life. They always have a red line: vodka-balalaika-wilderness and dirt-rudeness and of course repression, and in a distorted way.
    we have enough domestic cinema rubbish. Even, I would say, in abundance

    I agree with the author. By the way, the Ministry of Culture will not hurt to pay attention to some film products shot with state money.

    And they do not want and do not need to understand OUR MENTALITY!
    They have a different task: to defile, defile, and humiliate our country. And most importantly, not in our eyes!
    The film is created for the western man in the street, and HE can even HAVE IT!
    But what a bastard was going to let him rent with us .. ????
    Although ... the author is right, I repeat-we have enough domestic cinema rubbish. Even, I would say, in abundance
  29. Thompson
    Thompson April 16 2015 09: 15
    +2
    Quote: CON
    Once in Rostov ... a policeman drinks beer with gangsters, a complete idiot, in the KGB they sit down at one another, they substitute, one generally went to read the Bible, good characters Kolesnikov and a student who brought the professor’s scribble to Moscow a janitor, a healthy man who doesn’t want to work , says that everything is bad, and besides, it’s connected with the special services of the United States, I don’t know how anyone, but I really wanted to be caught by GGB officers in a place with a student ...
    Sometimes you look at the drunken on the roads, who kill several people, who steal so that the pens are 36lmn each, at the races in the church, what Leningrad had to say was to pass, and much more, maybe it was as it was shown in the film but society would be cleaner ...

    Once in Rostov started to look and quit! The film scum. The director would be in the loop for such a love of justice and the past of the country. And why is this film better in content and idea from what is being discussed, and comrade Medinsky ??? Or forgot to unfasten a share?
    And how many centuries will Stalin still be to blame? CPSU?
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik April 16 2015 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Thompson
      Once in Rostov I started to look and quit! The film scum.

      "Leningrad - 46" on NTV.
      The reaction is similar.
  30. GOgaRu
    GOgaRu April 16 2015 09: 16
    +1
    Echidna comment? I would say a comment. The author didn’t watch the film, but stupidly repeats the words of Mr. Medinsky. You need to learn to think with your own head, otherwise this behavior is very similar to the behavior of Ukrainian bydlomassa. No one is forcibly dragging to watch the film. In this situation, there is a rule: do not like it, pass by. And in general it seems that people who are sitting on a salary squeeze articles here a lot of brainwashing agitation.
    The gods of advertising seem to be working in the Ministry of Culture. Without all the hype, I would not have paid attention to this film (by and large), but now I’ll definitely look and read a book.
    1. uwzek
      uwzek April 16 2015 11: 16
      0
      Quote: GOgaRu
      Echidna comment? I would say a comment. The author didn’t watch the film, but stupidly repeats the words of Mr. Medinsky. You need to learn to think with your own head, otherwise this behavior is very similar to the behavior of Ukrainian bydlomassa. No one is forcibly dragging to watch the film. In this situation, there is a rule: do not like it, pass by. And in general it seems that people who are sitting on a salary squeeze articles here a lot of brainwashing agitation.
      The gods of advertising seem to be working in the Ministry of Culture. Without all the hype, I would not have paid attention to this film (by and large), but now I’ll definitely look and read a book.

      I agree that the statements of almost all previous participants are wildly reminiscent of Ukrainian vysery with movie prohibitions. Moreover, if it was a question of Ukrainian censorship, then these gentlemen would write the exact opposite.
      Not a single film (even documentary, not to mention fiction) filmed since the appearance of cinematography has not carried "true historical" information. The same is about books (including even history textbooks). Any work of art can be either good or not so (which in fact means only the degree of how much you personally like or dislike).
      Looking for "truth" in an action movie (this is a genre of that kind) is as senseless as breaking spears about its absence there ...
      Personally, I will not go to this film even after Comrade Medinsky's advertisement, although he gave professional advertising (and for that very own ruble). The plot did not capture me at all. But the undergrowth will now begin to intensively upload and share copies and watch. And some of them will have that "Mordor" in their heads, from which the Minister of Culture tried to protect them (Bearded anecdote: the creation of the Ministry of the Fleet is being discussed in Kazakhstan, and when asked why it is in the absence of a sea, there is a reasonable answer - there is Russian Ministry of Culture).
      In the presence of the Internet, the actions of various defenders of purity of morality and right-wingers are extremely dangerous. Their actions after stupid replication in the news channels of TV have the opposite effect.
  31. shrimp
    shrimp April 16 2015 09: 23
    +1
    it's time to wake up. and oblige filmmakers to shoot patriotic films
  32. buser
    buser April 16 2015 09: 31
    +1
    But what is the point of 3 forbidding in the age of the Internet? From these 3 prohibitions, interest is only increasing. It would be better if they had, but the people themselves decided how it relates to this film. The not so naive people have now gone than in the days of developed socialism. 3 knows what's what.
    1. glasha3032
      glasha3032 April 16 2015 14: 13
      +3
      After seeing this abomination, the whole people will feel like being spat upon. People need it?
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 16 2015 18: 09
        0
        Our new films are no better. After them, too, you feel like a bucket of slop drenched. Who cares?
        1. glasha3032
          glasha3032 April 16 2015 22: 23
          0
          The difference is certainly small, but the slop is ours! not American ... We ourselves can do what we want, this is our business and our life, and we don’t have to climb dirty foreign paws into our lives!
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 17 2015 09: 42
      0
      ... watch the "masterpiece" "Human centipede" -1 and even (!!!) - 2 ... just don't eat before watching (so that there is nothing to vomit ...)
      Here, perhaps, you will understand what an abomination is in a movie!
  33. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 16 2015 09: 38
    +3
    But I'll still look, I really liked the plot, it seems that the script was written by a mentally retarded schoolchild, besides sitting on cheap drugs and sniffing glue. The comrade means he survived the Holodomor, although this is not visible in his sleek Latin American face, he raised the banner Victory over the Reichstag, i.e. became a well-known person in the USSR, apparently goes to work in the NKVD or the KGB wherever they took anyone and probably thoroughly checked, and suddenly the wife of an "enemy of the people" is this what she was doing interestingly? She is an accomplice of the Nazis or stole bread from children or a pest from children during the war, it is not clear .The hero is demoted and dismissed in the wilderness in the police to work, as far as I know in the USSR, the district policeman is not a horse-radish from the mountain, but a respected person should be, and not an enemy of the people with his wife. He is looking for a maniac and former colleagues start hunting him from the KGB, why? Although I have vague suspicions that the maniac and the killer-eater of children, Comrade Stalin and the KGB are covering him up.
  34. Luzhichanin
    Luzhichanin April 16 2015 09: 40
    +4
    Quote: author
    And Hollywood about Russia, let him not make more films. Themselves must cope.
    I remember yesterday in the news from Russia2 they said the same thing. That we do not need Western "masterpieces", but nevertheless the very first advertisement they showed an advertisement for a Russian film on about the same topic, which should be shown in the coming days on the Rossiya2 channel, the height of cynicism!
  35. 3vs
    3vs April 16 2015 09: 43
    +1
    Thank you Medinsky, did not bend under the American trash!

    I think this is not the first and not the last film of this content.
    All "this" is removed for a reason, I think with the State Department money at the suggestion of such an audience
    like Brzezinski, etc ..
    The goal is to scare your inhabitants with the Soviets, and most importantly to poison our brains
    the younger generation, to quietly poison the love of their country,
    the task is to achieve a result like in Ukraine, more stupid cattle.
    Well, and "reviewers" are either paid or not in their spirit.
    1. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin April 16 2015 10: 12
      +2
      Quote: 3vs
      Thank you Medinsky, did not bend under the American trash!

      tell the movie distributors thank you, not the pseudo-patriot Medinsky. they shot a picture, not him !!!
      1. 3vs
        3vs April 16 2015 12: 19
        +1
        Oh, didn’t they call them from the top.
        Film distributors will refuse from the dough, I do not believe it!
  36. Black
    Black April 16 2015 09: 54
    +2
    Unfortunately, the Russian viewer will no longer be able to see this with his own eyes on the big screen.
    This is Anton Dolin's snot. The same one that chun not in every gathering at the young siege boy Vanya tells the audience First what to "go" and what not to.

    For me, this ban is
    - if this is the beginning of the end of bad taste, "beekeeping" and outright sabotage against my people - then this is One ...
    - and if it jumps on the spot, it’s just a whim, not politics, but posturing and playing on the threshold ... then this is even worse than rolling.
    1. uwzek
      uwzek April 16 2015 11: 20
      0
      The second is more exact ...
  37. Agent 008
    Agent 008 April 16 2015 10: 00
    +5
    On NTV, they invited a Ukrainian to the morning program, who just recently showed the middle finger to Putin on a heap of photos and pissed Russia off with all the bad words! Something Medinsky did not take care that this Khokhlov was not taken to the federal channel ...
  38. Yon_Silent
    Yon_Silent April 16 2015 10: 03
    +1
    I saw a trailer in a movie about a month and a half ago. Even then it was thought that a vigorous portion of cranberries with cocaine was waiting for us. Happened to be in Volsk, a beautiful town. The rear school there was once very famous throughout the Union. The test base is almost the only one in the whole country where aerostatic equipment was tested. People are good, kindly.

    If the minke whales would have filmed something about their own famine in the 30s, something similar to The Grapes of Wrath, but they would have sent it to us - so the people would have felled.
  39. zllllo
    zllllo April 16 2015 10: 03
    +3
    The movie was promoted. Now everyone will want to see the "forbidden fruit".
  40. Yereke
    Yereke April 16 2015 10: 06
    +3
    let Bondarchuk will remove both the states in the 60s of Nigeria did not allow the passage, and the women only in the '50s gave the right to vote in the election !! such as white chikatilo kills black
    1. GOgaRu
      GOgaRu April 16 2015 12: 50
      0
      let Bondarchuk will remove both the states in the 60s of Nigeria did not allow the passage, and the women only in the '50s gave the right to vote in the election !! such as white chikatilo kills black

      Will you go to this movie? Or will it be a must-see? Who did not look, fine or deadline.
      1. glasha3032
        glasha3032 April 16 2015 14: 07
        +1
        A film with such a plot is likely to become a world bestseller, there will be full houses in third world countries! The main thing is that without busting in the plot, Bondarchuk likes to add too much unrealistic ...
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 16 2015 18: 11
      +2
      Bondarchuk will not remove this. He will not be praised for such a plot in the West and will not be nominated for a prize in Cannes. To do this, you need to remove another dirt about Russia or the USSR, it is much better sold in the West, what Bondarchuk needs.
  41. Tigrus
    Tigrus April 16 2015 10: 11
    0
    They always make invented films, that’s all in comics, but I’ll watch the movie with one eye and laugh at them. There’s a poem useful for Americans: You can’t understand Russia with your mind, you can’t measure it with Arshin; only believe. Tyutchev F.I.
  42. Nikita Gromov
    Nikita Gromov April 16 2015 10: 13
    +1
    Hollywood is not only a disgusting movie conveyor for baking all kinds of ugliness and perversions, but also a huge ideological factory-kitchen, completely in the hands of the Russophobian-Zion kagal.
  43. Aqela
    Aqela April 16 2015 10: 15
    0
    It's not so much a particular movie. American filmmakers can express themselves as they please. Before that, in general, we have little to do. Fundamentally, we must finally put an end to a series of endless schizophrenic reflections about ourselves.

    Impressed! fellow good drinks
    Quote: buzer
    But what is the point of 3 forbidding in the age of the Internet? From these 3 prohibitions, interest is only increasing. It would be better if they had, but the people themselves decided how it relates to this film. The not so naive people have now gone than in the days of developed socialism. 3 knows what's what.

    The garbage is that most of this "brew" no one without professional translation and an active advertising campaign will not watch. So the internet isn't everything. The same residents of the Outskirts are looking more and more all sorts of their brain-turning sites, although, it seems, the whole Internet is open in front of you, you don't even need to learn the language ...
    In addition, it is not necessary to exaggerate the naivety of people of the times of developed socialism. It is to this very day a people who, with elementary logic, are at odds and are being led into stupid advertising - more than they think and think ...
    1. glasha3032
      glasha3032 April 16 2015 14: 03
      0
      ,,, most of this "brew" ... will not look ... "- still HOW they will! The audience burst into Avatar, as if on sale, and then there was a" brew "...
  44. YohanPalych
    YohanPalych April 16 2015 10: 15
    +5
    OUR answer to Hollywood.
  45. Military Builder
    Military Builder April 16 2015 10: 18
    0
    Quote: activator
    I just want to see how it really was and not fairy tales.


    Well, yes, about the great ukrov digging the Black Sea, but about the help in Debaltsevsky boiler
  46. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 16 2015 10: 22
    +3
    The main character, Lev Demidov (Tom Hardy), is a pupil of an orphanage who survived the Holodomor of 1933 and, according to the film, who hoisted the Victory Banner over the Reichstag, works in an organization called the NGB and deals with the "enemies of the people." After his wife Raisa (Numi Rapas) is included in the list of such enemies, Demidov is deported to the city of Volsk and demoted to the position of a local policeman, whose work is directed by General Nesterov (Gary Oldman). In Volsk, Demidov goes on the trail of a maniac, who is responsible for the murder of 44 children along the railway tracks from Vladimir to Rostov-on-Don. Demidov is trying to find the killer, while former NGB colleagues are hunting Demidov himself.

    Well what can I say ... only one thing: Cocainum!
  47. Eastern wind
    Eastern wind April 16 2015 10: 33
    +4
    I entered into controversy at Kinopoisk. Came across "rezunyat". It turns out that in our time there are fans of "Icebreaker". But the surprising feature is that all their comments are similar to each other like similar triangles. I do not want to offend anyone, but the wretchedness of thought from these thinkers shows through. Or, perhaps, the resentment for the unrealized disintegration of the country affects. For 20 years of this party, with friendly relations with the media and colossal infusions, the guys did not come close to achieving the goal. However, I believe that Russia is too great a power not to have traitors.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 16 2015 11: 47
      +3
      Quote: East Wind
      I entered into controversy at Kinopoisk. Came across "rezunyat". It turns out that in our time there are fans of "Icebreaker".

      Admirers of "Icebreaker" were and will always be. Because people love simple (albeit incorrect) explanations of complex things. Who, in an attempt to understand the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, racks his brains over the timing of mobilization and concentration, contradictory intelligence reports, Plans to cover the border and the difference between PPD in peacetime and the covered area in wartime, manning of parts of l / s and equipment and timing of delivery of equipment by the industry, real the state of technology and the availability of spare parts, the level of training of privates and commanders, the state of the barracks fund and training grounds, the real state of industry and the level of education in the USSR, etc., etc.?
      It is long and difficult - and here we are offered a simple explanation of the course of events in a beautiful wrapper of correctly dangling quotes, properly interpreted facts and outright lies.

      I confess that I myself went through the "Rezun" stage. But the main thing here is not to stop, but at least to read what Rezun refers to, and then criticism of his works. Because after that, the harmonious picture of Rezun's world crumbles like a house of cards - and the same Isaevite hatches from the rezunist. smile
      1. glasha3032
        glasha3032 April 16 2015 13: 58
        -1
        And who is the best-rezunist or Isaevian? Who has more truth? You can check Rezun from open sources (he mainly built works based on memoirs), and Isaev can’t be verified, he needs to be verbally trusted (he has a simple archives base, which is simple for us mortals, no move). Tell me!
        1. 6 inches
          6 inches April 16 2015 14: 43
          0
          it’s best to believe common sense .. read and think more and build your understanding. At one time it helped, when I got into the hands of a rezon. At first there was a shock, then only because I knew the history of technology I realized that my uncle was lying. .read, compare, think, and draw your own conclusions. and there is no absolute truth anywhere ...
          1. glasha3032
            glasha3032 April 16 2015 16: 02
            -1
            Then somehow the book "Tank pogrom of 41 years" by V. Beshanov came across, in principle, supports the version of Rezun and Solonin and decided to test one of his conclusions in practice and it turned out that they were right! And how can you not trust them after that? They are also not boys and they know the history of technology (just do not think that I want to enter into polemics - this is a hopeless business, everyone has their own opinion) They just came across an unexpected comparison-opposition: from rezunist to Isaev ...
            1. 6 inches
              6 inches April 16 2015 16: 57
              0
              I read it. Only the version of the rezun has nothing to do with it. Its main motive is that the Soviet Union wanted to attack Europe and Hitler predicted it. He motivates this by the fact that, for example, the BT tanks were specially made wheel-tracked to run faster on highways and capture everyone. in fact, then the wheel caterpillars were just a tribute to fashion then. That's how they seem to make a lie out of the right facts. Everything is simple. But Beshanov, yes there is a lot of truth. Here, I personally made so little to have a technique, I also need to be able to use it ..but for this we usually always lacked money.
              1. glasha3032
                glasha3032 April 16 2015 22: 43
                0
                No, I don’t agree with BT. Why-If you take any reference to tanks of that period, you can see that there were quite a few models with the usual chassis, but the chassis was chosen with a certain idea (engineers, it was already enough to remake the chassis in the USSR). Operation of equipment, yes, I agree with you here, but it's not about the money, but about the approach. In fact, nobody really taught the tankers (as well as the airmen). I came across a normal instructor - trained specialists graduated, a good instructor did not come across - tanks abandoned during the retreat (the deplorable fate of the T-35 and KV-2) ... By the way, the absence of good instructors-specialists did not go harmlessly for the Soviet industry right up to the collapse of the USSR - I personally saw retired pensioners who did not know how to properly insert a drill into the drill chuck (alas, in 40-50 years old, nobody taught them how to work correctly.
                1. 6 inches
                  6 inches April 17 2015 08: 19
                  0
                  wheeled caterpillars were created and built in such countries as Sweden, Czechoslovakia, and even in Poland they did something there in 1 instance. Are they also aggressors? And by the way, the latest BT models were already deprived of this opportunity. And the instructor ... we then had a mechanical drive with 4 hours drive away. no instructor will help. and most importantly, the tanks aren’t all yet. they aren’t properly either tractors or communication. there wasn’t any structure, it’s still being built and it wasn’t considered particularly important to hide. if it’s visible, it’s some kind of parm he is invisible .. he doesn’t shoot, it means 2 plan ..
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 16 2015 15: 03
          0
          Quote: glasha3032
          You can check Rezun from open sources (he mainly built works based on his memoirs)

          True, after reading the memoirs it very often turns out that the sources wrote about something completely different. Or the quote is skillfully torn off.
          Quote: glasha3032
          and Isaev is impossible to verify, he needs to be trusted verbally (he has the basis of archives, where we, mere mortals, have no progress)

          Mantra about to the archive mere mortals no move has long been outdated. Here you are: "What is TsAMO, how to work with documents ..." from uv. D. Sheina - http://litl-bro.livejournal.com/5673.html

          Yes, it’s difficult. But not absolutely impossible.
          In addition, the same Shein uploads part of the archived documents to be processed in the form of scans for open access - in the "piggy bank" of LJ.
          There, in particular, are "Orders for conducting experimental exercises in 1941", "Directive of the USSR People's Commissar of Defense on the results and tasks of operational training of the highest command personnel of the Red Army No. 503138 dated January 25, 1941", "Directives to the districts / front on conducting in 1941, the training camp "and absolutely enchanting" Report of the head of the GABTU SC on the organization, weapons and means of combat BT and MV SC and foreign armies.

          The last document, by the way, is worth reading to everyone who asks a question - and some USSR began to form 29 mechanized corps? There is such a summary of the panzerwaffe (and only according to the data received from our intelligence) that it is just right to run right behind the Urals ... alone "heavy tank divisions equipped with heavy tanks, mass-produced at factories in Czechoslovakia and France"what are they worth. belay
          But it was on the basis of these data that the planning was carried out - the General Staff of the Red Army had no other sources. They couldn't go online and google "Weisung No. 21. Fall Barbarossa" or free download without registration Yentsa's first volume. laughing

          No action of an officer can be evaluated on the basis of information that he did not have at the time when he was doing his duty.
          1. glasha3032
            glasha3032 April 16 2015 16: 15
            -1
            The layman is reluctant to delve into the archives, and this is correct and natural. The average person hawala what is served on a silver platter - understandable and understandable. What can be given to the layman by the "Directives ..." and "Orders on exercises ..." posted on LiveJournal or on the Internet ... Nothing! That is why we READ Suvorov. Everything is laid out on the shelves and explained. Official historians could not do this (what can be proved and explained by "Directives ..."? Directive, it is a directive - paper ... Something like that.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA April 16 2015 16: 57
              +1
              Quote: glasha3032
              That's why we READ Suvorov. Everything is sorted out and explained. Official historians could not do this.

              Unfortunately yes. Official historians always work in line with official ideology. But she is not. To be free-thinking and publish your opinion means risking a chair. Who would do that? wink

              As a result, the history of the Second World War was left to the amateurs. smile
              Quote: glasha3032
              what can be proved and explained by the "Directives ..."? The directive, it is the directive - paper ... Something like that.

              For example, the fact that all the cries of an aggressive USSR, ready to strike July 6 - in fact, the eggs are not worth it. Because the first combat ready combat corps will be assembled in the USSR only in September 1941. And they will assemble it only in order to conduct pilot exercises - to determine whether this corps can even advance, defend and march.
              Prior to this, in the reports of April 1941, commanders of mechanized corps even of the 1940 formation directly write that part of the formations of their corps, including, on average, one of the divisions and the entire rear are sky-ready. There are no barracks, no personnel, 2/3 of the personnel have less than 7 classes (and 10-15% are generally illiterate), one training ground for the entire corps is a great happiness.

              "Directives to the districts / front to hold training camps in 1941" is a verdict of the theory of "hidden mobilization" under the guise of Large training camps. For in 1941 there was no BUS for them. There were the usual gatherings of privates and sergeants, and the terms of the draft of the l / s had to be agreed with the directors of enterprises and state farms / collective farms. There was no mobilization of equipment (the main feature of BUSS and their main difference from conventional fees). There was no additional staffing of border connections to the state. And the formidable divisions of 12000 people in fact turn into "training divisions" with the presence of commanders and equipment for the staff of the division-6000, but with 120% of the set of privates and sergeants (who arrived for retraining).
              1. glasha3032
                glasha3032 April 16 2015 17: 05
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                And does not after reading "Icebreaker" take pride in such high-quality and competent preparation for the war against the "brown plague"? Why should we, our state, be shy? Well, they would attack first, there would be less losses, again, our whole Europe would be ours and no EU or NATO ...
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA April 16 2015 18: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: glasha3032
                  And does not after reading "Icebreaker" take pride in such high-quality and competent preparation for the war against the "brown plague"?

                  No, it doesn't. Since if the army and the economy of the USSR were so ready for war, as Suvorov describes, the results of the first months of the war lead to only one conclusion: the Soviet people were so stupid that they could not take advantage of their absolute superiority. Here is the main takeaway from the "Icebreaker" story.

                  But if you read the real documents of that time, you really take pride in the country, which, despite all the difficulties - the unfinished restructuring of the army (started only at the end of 1939 - there was no money before), the unfinished "second industrialization" in industry (according to plans - 1942) and an unfinished cycle of training new personnel for industry and the army (the same 1942) - she was able to pull herself together and withstand the onslaught of the Wehrmacht, which did not know until then the defeats. Unlike "the best army of Europe according to the results of WWI".
                  Quote: glasha3032
                  Well, they would have attacked first, less losses would have been, again, our whole Europe would have been, and no EU or NATO ...

                  If they attacked first, there would be a rout.
                  For starters, we couldn't have won air superiority. Reconnaissance revealed only a third of the airfields. According to the experience of raids on Finland on 25-26.06.41, our navigators will be able to find only a quarter of the targets indicated on the map. That is, the first strike on airfields will be, at best, for 7-10% of them. Moreover, the bombers will go to a depth of more than 120-150 km without cover - the combat radius of the "donkey" is only 150 km. And this is the "Helgoland massacre". And then the backlashes will start the same carousel as on 22.06. And we have a plug at the airfields. Because the equipment for the BAO is scheduled for delivery in 1942, and it cannot be received after mobilization. All these rows of damaged vehicles at the captured airfields in real life appeared precisely from the inability of the BAO to work out the dramatically increased volume of work with the available equipment.
                  Yes, do not forget that 90% of pilots can fly only during the day and in the PMU.

                  And then ... the mechanized corps will go further into battle. Oh, not mechanized corps, but "naked" tanks. Because the motorized infantry on the "GAZ" (a third of the state - there is no more in the country) will lag behind after a dozen kilometers of march, and the artillery on agricultural tractors will lag behind even earlier. There are exactly 2 types of artillery tractors for MK in the country: "Komsomolets", pulling only 45 mm, and "Voroshilovets", distributed by the piece. All the rest are unsuitable for mechanical parts - as Fedorenko regularly wrote about. Tanks as they march will begin to "crumble" (T-34 - transmission, engine, KV - suspension overload, boiling engine, brakes), and the rembat has nothing to take out and "treat" them. Tractors in rembats of the best MK - 30% of the staff, workshops - 25-40%. There are no such cars in civilian life. In short - see Senno-Lepel or 58 etc.

                  And now the most interesting: the advance of the Germans to the border began a few days before the offensive. Backlashes flew generally in a day. That is, our blow will fall into the void. Behind which is the line of UR, which the Germans shockly built since the end of 1940, attracting even the Polish population to this. And which will be occupied by German troops. That's it, sailed. Hello, Rzhev-42 - there even 305-mm howitzers did not help the Red Army to develop a breakthrough of the German defense into something substantial.
                  1. glasha3032
                    glasha3032 April 16 2015 22: 47
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                    But the defeat still happened ... And then it could have a ride ...
          2. glasha3032
            glasha3032 April 16 2015 16: 21
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            PS By the way, about memoirs, many of those mentioned by Suvorov had to be read - everything is true Suvorov wrote, in that very context.
  48. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 April 16 2015 10: 33
    +2
    Quote: Ereke
    let Bondarchuk will remove both the states in the 60s of Nigeria did not allow the passage, and the women only in the '50s gave the right to vote in the election !! such as white chikatilo kills black

    Bravo! I fully support !!! hi
    1. taram taramych
      taram taramych April 16 2015 14: 41
      0
      They, in the sense of the mattress mates, somehow got a great movie "Mississippi on Fire".
  49. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior April 16 2015 10: 52
    +1
    Suddenly ripened or what? request Mr. Medinsky has a stigma in a cannon. No. He once promoted Mikhalkov's "Burnt" and "4 Days in May". am
  50. nord62
    nord62 April 16 2015 10: 58
    +1
    Bravo! The first swallow! I hope not the last !!! It's time to establish a barrier to this cine slag! At least a dime a dozen of your liberals!
    It is time to seriously engage in the ideological and quality of cinema, and not throw money, including taxpayers, on all sorts of rubbish like "Elok". High-quality historical films are needed, albeit in the form of action films or even comedies, but so that young people go to them and at the same time learn Slavic history. In wars and confrontations, ideology wins first of all! And Hollywood shooters and bunches have the same ideology - the coolest pins ...
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 16 2015 11: 10
      +5
      Here in the bloody totalitarian USSR they shot a magnificent film about the Slavs, the original Russia.
      So far no one has been able to surpass him. 20 times already reviewed and still, every new time, like the first.
      For some reason, it is not recommended for showing on TV.
      1. Seawolf
        Seawolf April 16 2015 18: 29
        +2
        And I watched the film and read the book.
        Especially the ending is pleasant.

        Where the Roman warlords stand and watch how our brothers fraternize before the battle. Without risking after what he saw, he will fight. And the Roman Empire, to Rusich left and did not enter Rome, paid tribute
        1. Yasondinalt
          Yasondinalt April 16 2015 23: 39
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          The film is not at all from the book. At the end, fraternization is shown, and one of the Romans explains, that they are supposed to die before they die ... In the book everything is much better - the Slavs had the Romans as they wanted and went away with rich booty. What kind of death is it when the Romans didn’t know how to fight against the Slavs in equestrian warfare either on foot or on vacation? Below is an average movie, a book- hoo !!
          1. Luzhichanin
            Luzhichanin April 17 2015 10: 03
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            Quote: YasonDinAlt
            The film is not at all from the book.

            Judging by the wiki, there were two films, which one did you watch? 1966 or 1985 release?