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Russian autonomous field camp APL-500 is being prepared for state trials

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At the Nizhniy Novgorod Mulino proving ground, they are preparing for state trials of a new autonomous field camp of domestic production of APL-500. Tests of the camp will have to start in June 2015 of the year. On autonomous field camps for the Russian army news agency TASS said Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov:

The first eight similar kits were purchased in Germany. In 2013, the Minister of Defense decided not to purchase more foreign equipment and to organize work on the production and production of these products in Russia from domestic materials with maximum localization. Today the design documentation is all Russian. Now the stage of preliminary tests is being completed, after the state tests will begin. According to our plans, we should start them in June.


APL-500 is designed for the training of military personnel in the field, the protection of certain objects by military personnel, peacekeeping operations and other purposes. Its capacity is 500 military personnel. For NPS-500, the possibility of connecting to sources of electricity and water supply is provided.

Russian autonomous field camp APL-500 is being prepared for state trials


The state program of rearmament of the Russian army includes the purchase of 22 of such field camps.

So the representative of the field camp manufacturing company tells about the functions of APL-500 SET:
Autonomous field camps (towns of the closed life-support cycle) of the APL-500 are intended:

for medium-term and long-term deployment at test sites, in areas of temporary or permanent concentration of troops, civil defense forces, rescue services, medical, fire and other units;

for the rapid creation of the necessary infrastructure, autonomous support of the vital activity of the permanent readiness units of up to 500 people in undeveloped basing sites, in the field, outside the permanent deployment sites.



Photo camp at the site Ashuluk (Astrakhan region)


The structure of APL-500 includes the following objects:

small-sized, medium-sized and large-sized tent facilities;
specialized container objects (kitchens, showers, toilets, laundries, waste incinerators, containers for water treatment and water conservation, containers for wastewater);
diesel power generators;
hot air units;
mobile air conditioners;
collapsible fence;
collapsible rubber-plastic tracks;
lighting towers;
fuel distribution tanks;
furniture, shipping packaging, etc.
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  1. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock April 11 2015 12: 08
    +27
    It is very important that the field camp is organized, and not in a chaotic manner, to arrange tent equipment, etc. etc. in a hurry. From this and the deployment speed increases and efficiency.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 11 2015 12: 10
      +11
      of a new autonomous field camp of domestic production APL-500

      It pleases ... I always follow this! hi
      1. Viktor Kudinov
        Viktor Kudinov April 11 2015 12: 17
        +8
        Such fast-built camps increase the mobility of units. If they show themselves well, it will be necessary to order more sets. good
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock April 11 2015 12: 38
          +1
          Quote: Victor Kudinov
          Such fast-built camps increase the mobility of units. If they show themselves well, it will be necessary to order more sets.

          If I’m not mistaken, the Ministry of Emergencies has had something like this for a long time.
          1. corn
            corn April 11 2015 19: 44
            -1
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            Lt. Air Force Reserve Today, 12:38 ↑
            Quote: Victor Kudinov
            Such fast-built camps increase the mobility of units. If they show themselves well, it will be necessary to order more sets.
            If I’m not mistaken, the Ministry of Emergencies has had something like this for a long time.

            This is the only way to put a comment at the beginning.
            Read carefully the comments of the opponents of this town, if you want - minus, but do not flatter yourself about this Wunderwaffle in peacetime or in wartime
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock April 12 2015 00: 25
              +2
              Quote: corn
              This is the only way to put a comment at the beginning.
              Read carefully the comments of the opponents of this town, if you want - minus, but do not flatter yourself about this Wunderwaffle in peacetime or in wartime

              And where to take the wounded from the battlefield? If far away it may not survive, thanks to the mobile camp, the wounded soldier will be operated faster, therefore, the chances of survival increase.
              In peacetime, such a camp is necessary in emergency zones. Fires, floods, the case in Ukraine when it was necessary to place evacuated citizens in camps.
              1. corn
                corn April 12 2015 00: 45
                +3
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                And where to take the wounded from the battlefield?

                Examine the system of medical care in war conditions. I can’t lecture here on this topic. The camp is not a field hospital.
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                In peacetime, such a camp is necessary in emergency zones.

                Explain why, do not forget - it will unfold in 10 days. in 10 days, you can take everyone to the nearest settlements.
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                had to place evacuated citizens in camps.

                Do not confuse the Ministry of Emergencies and the Ministry of Defense, do not bring everything together.
                Camp for the MO.
        2. quote
          quote April 11 2015 12: 53
          +12


          I just don’t know, these are pictures from the first purchase or already in Russian production. The representative of the manufacturer says that 10% of the components are still being purchased abroad, for now.
          And so it looks well, very attractive. Well, the toilet is generally a song.
        3. avg
          avg April 11 2015 13: 02
          +2
          I watched a small story about the camp on TV. The first desire was to forbid to touch the camp with his hands. The second is pride in the revival of the army. So I am in a state of struggle. Although, given the experience of the Ministry of Emergencies, it seems that they have already matured ...smile
      2. zanoza
        zanoza April 11 2015 13: 06
        +5
        Quote: MIKHAN
        This makes me happy...

        To know more about the Premier League:
        - on what it is transported (number of vehicles, this is such a colossus);
        - in the staff of which unit he will be (here as a separate company, or even
        it smells like a battalion);
        - how many people / hour is needed to deploy this camp, etc.
        1. corn
          corn April 11 2015 13: 27
          +12
          Quote: zanoza
          To know more about the Premier League:

          It is not intended for war (only if at field airfields, which most likely will not be in a modern war). For temporary accommodation in some sort of conflict - maybe.
          And in peacetime - for the comfortable placement of some major military command structure.
          It's too early to rejoice. The army consists mainly of: a platoon (30 people), a company (100 people), a battalion (300-350 people), a regiment (2000 people), the town does not fit the organizational structure of the main units.
          If you put this at the training ground, for temporary accommodation, prefabricated switchboard structures are enough.
          Wunderwaffle?
          I have extensive experience in temporary field camps.
          1. corn
            corn April 11 2015 13: 58
            +4
            To my comment:
            Where are 8 already purchased similar camps used?
            Or is it a terrible military secret?
            1. lelikas
              lelikas April 11 2015 14: 02
              -8
              Quote: corn
              To my comment:
              Where are 8 already purchased similar camps used?
              Or is it a terrible military secret?

              How where - they invaded a country for a long time and there are separatist activities there! wassat
              1. jjj
                jjj April 11 2015 14: 15
                +4
                Signed under the photo - Ashuluk. Given that the training site often hosts exercises coming from different places of permanent deployment of units, it will be possible to more or less accurately judge: how much is enough
          2. Anisim1977
            Anisim1977 April 11 2015 14: 54
            +3
            Just put on the regiment - 4 put, the modularity is designed for that.
            1. corn
              corn April 11 2015 15: 58
              +7
              Quote: Anisim1977
              4 will put

              4 dining rooms?
              I’m not talking about this, I’m talking about the fact that there can’t be a town with a fixed amount.
              Fundamentally:
              Camping Tent
              Toilet - to platoon (I mean not only the toilet)
              Further in addition, something to the company, something to the battalion, something to the regiment or brigade.
              This is modularity.
              By the way, the BCP (field power point) ends with a battalion and, in principle, consists of standard equipment of the company BCP.
          3. Moore
            Moore April 12 2015 06: 10
            +2
            Naturally, it is not intended for war, for what secrecy and security in this case can we talk about?
            It is intended to bring students closer to the training grounds and create more or less comfortable living conditions for them and maintenance of equipment for them.
            And it was under the battalion group - 539/462 (BTR / BMP), where 300/350-KhZ were taken from.
            Is panel board enough? For completeness, let's dig in the dugout, as in Blucher.
            He also gained experience in various conditions.
        2. Rustam
          Rustam April 11 2015 13: 31
          +5
          zanoza RU Today, 13:06 PM

          More on the Premier League:


          Submarine-500. Field camp for 500 people, on a container-tent basis, created German Karcher Futuretechby order Russian army.

          The customer (Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) demanded a fully equipped field camp for 500 people, including residential premises, power systems, energy supply, training, stored
          1. Rustam
            Rustam April 11 2015 13: 49
            +2
            Submarine-500. Field camp for 500 people, on a container-tent basis, created by the German Karcher Futuretech, commissioned by the Russian army.

            The customer (Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) demanded a fully equipped field camp for 500 people, including living quarters, power systems, water supply, preparation, storage and distribution of water, plumbing equipment and a laundry. For the implementation, a combined concept using both tents and 20-foot ones was chosen containers.

            -Field camp for 500 people
            -Containers + tents
            -Sanitary showers and toilet containers, container laundry, a kitchen with food preparation and cooking areas, a tent-dining room, a water treatment system, equipment for water storage, an electricity supply system
            -conveyance concept -container

            photo (clickable) RF field camp APL-500
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor April 13 2015 03: 51
              0
              It’s good if the Westinghouse reactor is not standing there, with their clumsy assemblies. lol
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought April 11 2015 12: 15
      +2
      It’s a very decent and modern camp, such are very necessary in the army, we are waiting for successful tests and deliveries to the army
    3. Rustam
      Rustam April 11 2015 12: 43
      +2
      APL-500 based, magnificent German field camps from the damned Taburetkin Karcher Futuretech (in the photo of the article, too) everything is there for people, air conditioning, etc. I attach the photo



      ps- by the way, our people wanted these when in 2008 they captured some elements from the Georgian army as a trophy (2m-20)

    4. stonks
      stonks April 11 2015 13: 54
      +2
      But it’s interesting, what is the speed of deployment of such a camp, how many people are servants, how much transport is it transporting?
      It is a pity that the article does not have such information.
      1. jjj
        jjj April 11 2015 14: 16
        0
        Outsourcing? Or how?
    5. Juborg
      Juborg April 11 2015 14: 51
      +4
      The cost of one set is 445 million (half a billion!), The approximate cost of two Su-30MK. They (blocks) are rubberized and any damage (nail, knife, accidental bullet!) Will require sticking, etc. Plastic modules are not simpler and cheaper, they are almost comparable in weight, plastic is better in preserving carcassity, and are also comparable in heat preservation, plus stamped production gives almost unlimited supply and lower prices. In short, with these rubber-inflatable structures, something is not clean. After all, plastic modules were presented at one of the exhibitions, and they can be shaped differently.
      1. Dog of war
        Dog of war April 11 2015 15: 26
        +3
        It will be interesting to see where you found the Su-30SM for 500 million wooden?
        1. Juborg
          Juborg April 11 2015 15: 45
          0
          Quote: Dog of war
          It will be interesting to see where you found the Su-30SM for 500 million wooden?

          One Su-30MK costs $ 50 million, we enter the currency converter and get 255 rubles (almost two aircraft can be bought for the total cost of this complex!). Or do you have different math? Su-339MKI more expensive, 0000 million dollars (30 83 423 rubles!).
          1. Dog of war
            Dog of war April 11 2015 19: 38
            +1
            You’ve made a mistake or don’t want to notice 4 digits instead of three at the end.
          2. Lenivets
            Lenivets April 11 2015 19: 52
            +1
            "255 339 0000"and if you move the zero?
            2 - 553 billion worth of the SU-390MK, not a quarter!
            So for the sum of the cost of this complex you will not buy a single aircraft.
      2. Serg 122
        Serg 122 April 11 2015 19: 05
        +1
        Quote...
        They (blocks) are rubberized and any damage (nail, knife, random bullet!) Will require sticking, etc.

        I’ll tell you more - they are also inflatable! We have such a fuck .. there is, so already sent to the manufacturer for repair - lowers bastard radish. They definitely need something to cover (massage) - the Sun and rubber, not the best combination ... hi
      3. Chukcha
        Chukcha April 11 2015 21: 24
        +2
        One truck can bring a "rubber" tent / shelter for 30 people. Several cars are required for "plastic". That's the whole secret - in transport compactness.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor April 13 2015 04: 01
          0
          Plastics, however, are prefabricated, made of panels. Or put one into the other. Therefore, during transportation, compactness is maintained.
  2. Balamyt
    Balamyt April 11 2015 12: 09
    +3
    It is a pity that it is not written about the cost of German and ours. Compare!
    1. captain
      captain April 11 2015 12: 14
      +6
      You can’t write, otherwise people will be horrified.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 11 2015 12: 23
        +3
        Quote: captain
        You can’t write, otherwise people will be horrified.

        As Albride (US Secretary of State) said CHEAPER 40 MILLION TO LEAVE IN RUSSIA TO SERVICE OIL AND GAS PIPES .. I do not want this! hi
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 11 2015 12: 14
      +7
      Quote: Balamyt
      It is a pity that it is not written about the cost of German and ours. Compare!

      Let more expensive .. But ours! In which case they will have to be used and produced .. in wartime!
      1. corn
        corn April 11 2015 16: 57
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN
        will have to use and produce .. in wartime

        Where?
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 April 11 2015 12: 23
      +4
      Quote: Balamyt
      It is a pity that it is not written about the cost of German and ours. Compare!



      What for??? They did the right thing - they bought several sets, figured out what's what, and start their production ...

      PS And it’s hard to talk about prices and their comparison ... The price depends not only on the mass production, but also on the appetite of both the manufacturer and the budget cutters ...
      1. Rustam
        Rustam April 11 2015 12: 48
        0
        veksha50SU
        They did the right thing - they bought several sets, figured out what's what, and start their production ...



        By Karcher Futuretech GmbH
  3. moskowit
    moskowit April 11 2015 12: 14
    +2
    Even such things were bought over the hill! That we don’t want to make tents for the department? And now the "import substitution program" is in full swing. am Even the program of clothing supply for the Red Army and that foreign artisans carried out. And who was it that advised? Former "harem commanders"?
    1. Rustam
      Rustam April 11 2015 12: 49
      +2
      moskowit SU Today, 12:14

      And who was it that advised? Former "harem commanders"?


      And if it is better, or for you soldiers B_ and supplies?
      1. Grigory_78
        Grigory_78 April 14 2015 21: 21
        0
        1. The highways seemed to be also better that they themselves could build. They gave the money, but where is the Mistral? By the way, for Mistral -10 - the extreme temperature. Do you know?
        2. Iveco armored cars - also it seems like the Tigers were better. True, it later turned out that they do not drive off-road, but these are trifles, right?
        3. Smerdyukov still wanted to buy German tanks. And in the event of a conflict with NATO, the Germans would supply us with spare parts for them ... Probably.
        4. Material may be better. Now ask yourself the question - do the Germans know what our Arctic is? I think no better than Italians. You buy yourself an Italian puffer jacket and take a trip to Yakutsk in the winter. Good luck.
  4. dr.star75
    dr.star75 April 11 2015 12: 16
    +3
    In winter, check them out. How will the snow and wind load withstand?
  5. kelevra
    kelevra April 11 2015 12: 22
    +2
    At the very beginning, we were pleased with the phrase that we decided not to buy more foreign goods, but to come up with our own! And what a great town they came up with! I saw something like this on Kotelny Island!
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov April 11 2015 12: 30
      +2
      Quote: kelevra
      At the very beginning, we were pleased with the phrase that we decided not to buy more foreign goods, but to come up with our own! And what a great town they came up with! I saw something like this on Kotelny Island!

      We have to do everything ourselves, the climate is severe and the costs are appropriate .. and yet! In the USSR, from needles to Orbital stations, they were made .. Yes, everything was more expensive .. But they were independent and like now no one could impose sanctions on me! I think so .. hi
  6. Volgarr
    Volgarr April 11 2015 12: 33
    +2
    Struck!!! Are we not producing anything at all, even if we bought this nonsense? Or Serdyukov had a rollback from this. It seems that the military can not be trusted to spend their own money, only under tight control!
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka April 11 2015 12: 52
      +3
      To do the best you need to know: what and how others do (the most difficult is why and how)!
    2. Rustam
      Rustam April 11 2015 12: 54
      +5
      Volgarr (2) SU Today, 12:33 PM
      Struck!!! Are we not producing anything at all, even if we bought this nonsense? Or Serdyukov had a rollback from this.


      Nonsense -hmm, ours were not able to do this, but I’m grieving you to get together the APL-500 in close cooperation with Karcher Futuretech GmbH

      And no matter how many local manufacturers file complaints, even under Shoigu to cancel the procurement of nuclear submarines-500, they needed the military Submarine-500 from Karcher Futuretech
      1. corn
        corn April 11 2015 16: 20
        +3
        Quote: Rustam
        hmm

        When I heard about the connection of mobile units of power plants with a capacity of 1 MW and more, the question arose: does the guy with the big stars understand that he is carrying a "blizzard" - 2 kW per resident? Moreover, at a cost of 1 kW * hour four times, at least, more than for the population from the network.
  7. Strashila
    Strashila April 11 2015 12: 35
    +3
    And what about June ... not from September to May ... summer is summer in Africa too.
  8. pts-m
    pts-m April 11 2015 12: 38
    +4
    something reminiscent of food warehouses in the 41st year of the last century, Leningrad. one raid from the air and everything was mixed .. people, horses ... but just for peace.
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat April 11 2015 17: 30
      +3
      for the military, too, like a field camp, field headquarters, rem. base, warehouse ... and against air raids there are mobile air defense systems.
      1. corn
        corn April 11 2015 18: 30
        +1
        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
        like a field camp

        Field camp for a battalion with a deployment period of 10 days?
        Adapted from the military-political dictionary edited by Dmitry Rogozin:
        "FRONT OFFENSIVE OPERATION" - an operation by front troops (army groups) undertaken to decisively defeat the opposing enemy forces and take possession of its territory. 1-2 days or more. "
        1. You can calculate how many troops will be held per day.
        2. In military academies, several other figures are considered (officers who are not divan will understand what this is about).
        3. The troll Rogozin is cool, but his knowledge of tactics, operational art and strategy is insignificant, so in vain he put his name in this dictionary, if not for grandmas. Then at least it’s clear.
        The following quote is from the work "From the experience of pursuit in front-line offensive operations" by Major General M.TUP:
        “It was stated above that during the parallel pursuit in the Belorussian operation east of Minsk, large forces of the German Army Group Center were encircled. As a result, already in early July, the enemy's defense front from the Western Dvina to Pripyat in a zone of about 400 km actually collapsed. Our fronts pursued Hitler's units to the borders of East Prussia, in the Riga and Warsaw directions, overcoming the resistance of small groups, mainly at road junctions.After the defeat of the Nazi troops in the tactical and immediate operational zones, our troops no longer had to break through the prepared defense until completion The pursuit was conducted at an average rate of about 20 km per day, while on some days combined-arms formations advanced to a depth of 30-40 km, and formations of armored and mechanized troops - up to 50 km and more. For example, the 3rd Guards Mechanized the corps in the Siauliai direction on July 26 overcame 70 km and to at the end of the day, he started fighting for Siauliai. "
        For those who have the strength to read my comment.
        How can you talk nonsense on a military site on military issues if you don't understand them?
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat April 11 2015 20: 10
          +3
          Quote: corn
          How can you talk nonsense on a military site on military issues if you don't understand them?


          Why are you so excited? Why did you immediately decide that, personally, I don’t understand nichrome and therefore am talking nonsense?

          I do not want to engage in demagogy because I will try to put my thoughts on the shelves ...
          1. In my opinion, this camp is HUGE step forward in terms of organizing the production of field camps, and especially in terms of creating a design bureau for R&D. (This item is not related to a specific type of camp and its construction).
          2. For offensive operations, and even on the scale of the Second World War, this option camp useless(due to deployment speed).
          3.This camp optionuseless in local and irregular conflicts. (does not provide security against DRG (especially on difficult terrain), artillery and MLRS, also point 2, but protection against air attacks can be provided at the expense of air defense means)
          4. This version of the camp is suitable in peacetime for organizing field camps, for training soldiers and for use in emergencies. (MO organizes a camp, and the Ministry of Emergencies uses it (in the future, these camps can be transferred to the balance of the Ministry of Emergencies by replacing them with more advanced ones))
          5. This variant of the camp is suitable in wartime for organizing in the rear long-term field camp, headquarters, rem. base, warehouse. (I explain "in the rear" this is at least 500 km from the front)
          6. Separate elements of this camp can be used without changes to create FRONT FIELD CAMP (I will write below what you need to "create" for it)

          I am unfamiliar with those people who ordered all this and who created it, but I have enough wisdom don't yell about corruption \ kickbacks \ domestic pseudo-analogs and other bullshit crap, because I realize that I may not know or understand something ...

          I remember very well the stories about how in the Soviet times the USSR bought foreign analogues and began to produce them, and a few years after that I created my own revolutionary copies of those times. I remind you that neither in the USSR nor in the Russian Federation there is a single design bureau that would be engaged in the development and creation of such complexes!

          I understand that most of the money spent on this project went to the organization of OKB, organization of production and training people. I understand that this option will be bought in bulk (mass of individual elements).
          1. Massik
            Massik April 11 2015 20: 24
            +1
            .This option of the camp is useless in local and irregular conflicts. (It does not provide security from DRG (especially in difficult terrain), artillery and MLRS, also point 2, but protection against air attacks can be provided at the expense of air defense means)
            Well, enlighten what kind of camp option is protected from such threats? I ask you not to bring concrete bunkers and underground bunkers.
          2. corn
            corn April 12 2015 01: 52
            +1
            [quote = ProkletyiPirat] I do not want to engage in demagogy because I will try to put my thoughts on the shelves .. [/ quote
            Paragraph 1. All this should be developed in a common logistic support system (for example, a "field kitchen": a platoon, a battalion company. For a regiment, it can no longer exist.)
            According to paragraphs 2 and 3, it’s not necessary. And seriously, you’re serious about protecting this camp with air defense systems. They will not be enough for warheads, but here an object that is motionless for 10 days, compactly located. Opponent, what - do.rak?
            Point 4. What do you mean by “field camp?” For what skills will you train soldiers. The Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergency Situations are different structures with different tasks. Military equipment for the national economy?
            Point 5. Before the front operation begins, the rear border of the front is 500 km, and your camp is outside the front.
            Point 6. I graduated from the military academy a long time ago and I admit that I don't know the term "front-line field camp".
            Tired of writing.
          3. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat April 12 2015 03: 16
            0
            Part I
            What should look like "FRONT FIELD CAMP"
            The main requirement in general for the "front-line field camp complex"
            1. Modular design in the form factor of marine ISO container "TEU" and / or "TEU High-Cube (HC)" or other form factors compatible with them.
            2. Providing bulletproof ballistic protection.
            3. Time for the deployment of the camp (from the marching condition), without additional protection, no more than 3 hours. When organizing additional protection or staff shortages no more than 12 hours. When organizing additional protection и staff shortages no more than 50 hours.
            4. The time for collecting in a marching state (from deployed) is no more than 3 hours when leaving protective structures. The time for collecting in a marching state (from deployed) is no more than 24 hours when dismantling protective structures.
            5. Ensuring the normal life of soldiers anywhere in the world under any weather and climatic conditions within the temperature range + \ - 100 degrees and altitudes of not more than 3000-5000km above sea level. (at these altitudes there may be problems with a lack of oxygen)
            6. Possibility of creating multi-level structures for camp placement in small areas (no more than 4 "TEU" or 3 "TEU HC" in height).
            7. The presence of special security and protective structures. (fences, towers, lighting, warning systems, etc. etc.)
            8. Existence of special infrastructure elements. (Power supply systems, pedestrian and transport paths, etc., etc., etc.)

            Purpose of the "front-line field camp complex"
            1. The provision of long-term or short-term, large or medium camps, in the area up to 500 km from the front with the deployment of headquarters, rem. base, warehouse, hospital and other facilities.
            2. Well-protected long-term roadblocks or small bases.
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            2. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat April 13 2015 04: 42
              0
              I propose to move the discussion to the topic on the forum
              http://forum.topwar.ru/topic/500-автономный-полевой-лагерь
              I’ll leave my thoughts there in more detail
  9. not Russian
    not Russian April 11 2015 12: 43
    0
    I must say thanks to maydaunam and sanctions.
  10. am808s
    am808s April 11 2015 12: 45
    +1
    Exactly so. For the Ministry of Emergencies are not interchangeable. For war, dangerous!
    1. corn
      corn April 11 2015 16: 26
      0
      Quote: am808s
      For the Ministry of Emergencies are not interchangeable

      Ten days to deploy? Yes, and 500 miners to collect to settle.
  11. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery April 11 2015 12: 47
    +9
    Many here present on the site went through these same field camps. Moreover, the worse the living conditions, the better for the education and training of fighters. The main thing is: good feeding, a place where to sleep and in the morning after lifting, where to wash. No need to invent anything new.
    1. jjj
      jjj April 11 2015 14: 20
      +6
      In Afghanistan, dushmans were fired at night to shoot tents from machine guns. So, inside each tent, we dug a depression where bunk beds fit. No more casualties from night fire
    2. corn
      corn April 11 2015 18: 42
      +2
      Quote: surovts.valery
      No need to invent anything new.

      Moreover, the training period will be less than the deployment time of this camp.
    3. STALGRAD76
      STALGRAD76 April 11 2015 19: 03
      +6
      I am also alarmed by such camps, let's say major exercises, deployed a similar complex, headquarters, canteens, sartirs, sleeping places are all conveniently functional, but, with real databases, are conditions for such high-tech conveniences possible without loss of mobility? And l / s will be completely refrained from real everyday difficulties that will undoubtedly appear in the database. Won't our soldiers turn into aching slobber due to lack of amenities? I hope that sane people will realize that exercises should be as close as possible to combat exercises?
      1. corn
        corn April 11 2015 19: 32
        +2
        Quote: STALGRAD76
        I’m also worried about such camps,

        In what exercises and who will live in these camps7 In the exercises, tankers live in a tank, cyclists in a bicycle. The war goes on around the clock. Really it is not obvious. In the exercises, the troops are constantly on the move.
        Troops withdraw from permanent deployment points for exercises.
  12. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 April 11 2015 12: 48
    +5
    Thanks to the military for the idea! hi On the principle of such a camp, our team did something similar two years ago: three inflatable tents + three quick-built tent shelters (summer kitchen, shower / dryer, toilet) + portable stove-stove + dry closet + motor pump. All! At least in the taiga, even on the river, even on the lake for a month! No need to bother with the construction of huts, baths, huts. Mobility - at times! You don’t bite, don’t catch, don’t fly, don’t run, you collect this “happiness”, load it into two Pelets with trailers and at least 20, at least 50 km. in any direction.
    Mobility is a sign of mastery! yes Something like that .. Sorry for the comparison, but I think that the topic!
    1. corn
      corn April 11 2015 18: 45
      +1
      Quote: ALABAY45
      Based on the principle of such a camp, our team did something similar two years ago:

      How many people? And at minus 20-30? And the war is not a month?
      And for fishing and hunting, who will argue?
      I don’t even want to speak for dry closets.
  13. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 11 2015 12: 57
    +2
    The Germans taught us to do everything ourselves .. WEAPON VICTORIES! .. Shaw again? bully
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket April 11 2015 13: 06
      +1
      Well, well done that started production of these autonomous field camps. Now the main thing is to achieve 100% of their production in Russia and completely from Russian materials.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket April 11 2015 13: 16
        +11
        Video about the Premier League camp 500:
        1. corn
          corn April 11 2015 14: 46
          +3
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Video about the Premier League camp 500:

          Thank you so much for the video.
          What I saw and my thoughts.
          Frame tents have existed since 1974. (I cannot vouch for the earlier time). It consisted of a wooden frame, a plate (tarpaulin) of a heater (flannel) and a white metal underframe. It housed a platoon on beds in two tiers. In winter, they put a stove (I will miss the design). Now a modern heater is enough.
          From the same tents, connecting their arcs with another, you can create rooms of various capacities.
          Cooking was carried out in the PAK-200.
          Mobile power stations exist in the troops a long time ago.
          From my experience: if the camp is going to be more than a year, it is easier to make a shield dining room.
          Put up tents for a year, then they can be thrown out.
          I just don’t want to discuss further, they won’t read it anyway.
          I repeat.
          WONDERWAFLE.
        2. Humpty
          Humpty April 11 2015 17: 27
          0
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Video about the Premier League camp 500:

          Not sure about the durability of the roof of the dining room.
          Serious snowfall can cause problems. Especially considering not convenient methods of cleaning the roof from snow.
          At the expense of the material I do not presume to judge. I think a good material is "Gore-tex" with Kevlar fabric reinforcement and inner pile.
          1. corn
            corn April 11 2015 18: 59
            0
            Quote: Humpty
            I think a good material is "Gore-tex" with Kevlar fabric reinforcement and inner pile.

            He will eat something, but who will give him so much anekdotov.net
  14. Abbra
    Abbra April 11 2015 13: 05
    -3
    Sorry, colleagues, but I agree to live in a hut, only from Russian firewood. ON .... to us overseas field camps? It's a shame for the state.
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 April 11 2015 13: 14
      -5
      "but I agree to live in a hut, only from Russian wood"
      In bast shoes and with a bear in an embrace ?! belay Search, colleague! hi By the way, fire huts are not built ...
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 April 12 2015 14: 42
        +1
        Wow! We got the cons! They all stand under the windows of the Volga and Zhiguli ?! Or, in everyday life you can be almost a patriot ?! This is only in the defense of the country, no, no! soldier , and, regarding home comfort ... recourse
  15. Prager
    Prager April 11 2015 14: 51
    0
    a good idea, if only to meet all the requests of the military. soldier
  16. srha
    srha April 11 2015 16: 26
    +4
    Hee ... Ten days to deploy. And what will the battalion do these ten days? Not, well, if military doctrine, strategy and tactics imply that the battalions are stationed outside their locations in comfortable conditions with a pipifax, then yes, but if in real combat conditions, such as in Georgia, then ... did these camps help the Georgian military? So the question is - what are the troops preparing for? Moreover, they will not even have the experience of independent arrangement on the ground?
    1. Humpty
      Humpty April 11 2015 17: 34
      0
      Quote: srha
      Hee ... Ten days to deploy. And what will the battalion do these ten days?

      Set up tents a day, two maximum, if you level the territory. Well, day 3 for everything else. There wasn’t enough fantasy for 5 days.
  17. Artyom1979
    Artyom1979 April 11 2015 16: 28
    +1
    Quote: juborg
    Quote: Dog of war
    It will be interesting to see where you found the Su-30SM for 500 million wooden?

    One Su-30MK costs $ 50 million, we enter the currency converter and get 255 rubles (almost two aircraft can be bought for the total cost of this complex!). Or do you have different math? Su-339MKI more expensive, 0000 million dollars (30 83 423 rubles!).

    The mathematics is the same for everyone and if you enter it into the currency converter, the amount you get is exactly the one you wrote, 2,5 billion rubles, that is, for the cost of one set you can buy 1 \ 5 aircraft, but not two.
  18. Katani
    Katani April 11 2015 16: 28
    0
    Once we went to the mountains with the Bundesfer's heated tent,
    so there it turned out that our firewood didn’t enter into this miracle stove - they stick out a couple of cm from the firebox ....
    Here you have the bourgeois technique ....
  19. Humpty
    Humpty April 11 2015 17: 07
    +1
    Quote: devis
    I just don’t know, these are pictures from the first purchase or already in Russian production. The representative of the manufacturer says that 10% of the components are still being purchased abroad, for now.
    And so it looks well, very attractive. Well, the toilet is generally a song.

    Beauty inside, only how to clear snow from the roof of such a tent?
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  21. 31rus
    31rus April 11 2015 20: 47
    +1
    Dear, back in the 90s, young scientists developed prefabricated sectional modules, their astronauts tested, the tests were successful, they didn’t go into production, the crisis hit, so all this German crap is out of speed, not modular, so our design is not suitable in my opinion one still uses centrospas
  22. datur
    datur April 11 2015 22: 59
    +2
    well, pamper the current soldiers of power !!! wink I remember how we stretched our company tent !! platoon times 10 n ... th sent with his advice !!! but set yourself !!!! wink oh there were times !!!! drinks yes good
    1. corn
      corn April 12 2015 01: 01
      0
      Quote: datur
      we stretched our mouth tent

      Enlighten what this tent is.
  23. Tribuns
    Tribuns April 11 2015 23: 01
    -3
    No one paid attention to the funny abbreviation of these autonomous field camps, the Premier League ...
    Repeats the abbreviation of nuclear submarines, - nuclear submarines ...
    There is a proposal to the Ministry of Defense to assign another abbreviation to these field camps - APLAG ...
    By analogy with the Gulag ...
  24. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 April 12 2015 00: 15
    +3
    And what will our army turn into? In the likeness of mattresses and Georgians? And they do not need a nanny, wipe the snot? crying
  25. sazhka4
    sazhka4 April 12 2015 04: 32
    +2
    In Russia, created a TV made of pure gold
    - And how to watch it?
    - They don’t look at him, they SHOW him ..
    So these camps .. For a landfill or evacuation centers, and nothing more .. For a toilet, how much water is needed. Where to drain? And how many pieces (toilets) are supposed to have ?? How many cars do you need to transport them? The questions are of course "stupid", but ..
  26. Pomah
    Pomah April 12 2015 10: 26
    0
    Taburetkin is a traitor - he even bought something from the Hans ... and now at the post ... they didn’t even send me to retire .... we are a shame, we allow this ...
  27. Victor SPB
    Victor SPB April 12 2015 20: 18
    0
    It’s great to see an article about your development, the fact is that I’m the chief designer of the energy part of the nuclear submarine 500 on the basis of DGU for this camp. My development is a packaged solution (container execution) of DGU 300 and 2xDGU 100 + RU based on the NKU. By the way, in the video I’m at 5.30 minutes and when they say about designers, I too =)) it's nice to see myself. By the way, I’ll answer various empty chimes, the camp is designed based on the climate of UHL1, and this is up to -60 on the street. Unfortunately, our industry does not produce diesel generator sets compact enough for their placement at the required capacity in a standard 20-foot container, this was the main requirement of the RF Ministry of Defense. The switchgear-based switchgear was completely Russian-made. Energy in this camp is the most difficult part due to the difficult climatic and operational conditions, as well as the complex ABP system. In fact, you can tell a lot about these camps, how they were created, in the complete absence of initial experience in creating such facilities, insanely tight deadlines and much more, but the result actually came out very, very worthy, I say this very openly since I myself accepted all system tests.
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat April 18 2015 05: 36
      0
      Victor join the discussion
      http://forum.topwar.ru/topic/500-автономный-полевой-лагерь