Before 2020, the 30 of the MiG-35 light fighters will enter the Russian Air Force

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Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said that under the state armament program before 2020, military pilots of the Russian Air Force will receive 30 MiG-35 light fighters, a contract for development work on which has already been signed.

Before 2020, the 30 of the MiG-35 light fighters will enter the Russian Air Force


“Within the framework of the ROC, the first two samples must be supplied and upon completion of the ROC, we, and as a rule we do it proactively, we will conclude a contract for the series. They are loaded into the state armament program, these are 30 machines, ”he said. "Military Industrial Courier".

In addition, according to him, every year the Russian Air Force will receive more than 10 upgraded MiG-31BM aircraft, and by now 24 vehicles have already entered service.

"After the modernization of the MiG-31, we expect over 130 machines in the army - updated, wonderful, with the limiting flight and technical characteristics," - he quoted INTERFAX-AVN.

The deputy minister noted that the lifespan of a modernized version of the aircraft with partially replaced onboard and radio-electronic equipment, as well as a locator, is 40-45 years, but it can be extended to 50 years.

“The plane gets a second life. Today it is already clear that after modernization it can have a period of active existence and be in the troops of the order of 40-45 years, but this is not even the limit. I think the issue of extending his life to 50 years will be considered, ”he stressed.
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  1. +17
    April 10 2015 06: 43
    It will not be enough!
    1. +7
      April 10 2015 06: 58
      Exactly, 30 units over 5 years are not very dense.
      1. +2
        April 10 2015 08: 00
        Quote: theadenter
        Exactly, 30 units over 5 years are not very dense.

        I think that such a small figure is due to the fact that work is underway on the 5 generation of LFIs and they will be purchased in the future. Besides, who can tell you all the real numbers on the purchase and supply of military complexes to the army. There may be not 5 (it cannot, but for sure), but 50 cars a year, but why not blow it at all angles ... hi
        1. +1
          April 10 2015 08: 14
          Quote: NEXUS
          that work is underway on the 5th generation LFI and it will be purchased in the future. In addition, who will give everyone the real numbers on the purchase and supply of military complexes to the army.

          Well, did you decide to cut the T-50 purchases for the same reasons?
          1. +4
            April 10 2015 09: 27
            Quote: tomket
            Well, did you decide to cut the T-50 purchases for the same reasons?

            Do you believe everything that is published in the public domain?
            And, with regards to the PAK FA, I think the deliveries of these vehicles to the troops will begin in the normal mode as much as planned. So far, the SU-50 successfully performs the functions that should be assigned to the T-35, which is cheaper and second only to the PAK FA in stealth and slightly in maneuverability.
            According to T-50, there is another version of the suspension or deceleration of this project - it is the expectation that the second stage engine will go into operation and then mass production and delivery to the army of this complex will begin. hi
            1. +4
              April 10 2015 09: 39
              I agree with you.
              The housekeeper must be economical.
              Generation 5 can only be useful in a war with the leading powers, but this is rather the third world war (it is the last one).
              The needs of non-global wars will more than cover 4+.
              So I'm for the reasonable pace of input of the T-50 and for the main combat mass - 4 ++.

              Otherwise, we will overtake everyone and they will see our bare ass ...
              1. +3
                April 10 2015 11: 06
                Quote: Yuri Stupin

                The needs of non-global wars will more than cover 4+.

                I do not agree and adhere to the exact opposite opinion. Just in a global war, the 5th generation will not differ much from 4 ++, and in local conflicts the 5th generation is able not only to perform tasks, but also to increase the country's authority as well as to reduce the chances of sporadic losses, which are perceived rather painfully. The fact is that in local conflicts there are a lot of tactical restrictions.
                1. 0
                  April 13 2015 15: 04
                  Quote: yehat
                  Quote: Yuri Stupin

                  The needs of non-global wars will more than cover 4+.

                  I do not agree and adhere to the exact opposite opinion. Just in a global war, the 5th generation will not differ much from 4 ++, and in local conflicts the 5th generation is able not only to perform tasks, but also to increase the country's authority as well as to reduce the chances of sporadic losses, which are perceived rather painfully. The fact is that in local conflicts there are a lot of tactical restrictions.

                  I do not agree. States fought in full growth. At the same time, the F-22 was not seen in any LAN. The surface is too high a cost, and it will be shot down no worse than a Serb stealth, along with a holey-striped authority.
              2. 0
                April 11 2015 00: 39
                Quote: Yuri Stupin
                Generation 5 can only be useful in a war with the leading powers, but this is rather the third world war (it is the last one).


                The newer the equipment, the more expensive it is and its less in the army. In a big war, this small amount will be knocked out in the first period and then everything else will be fought. Unless, of course, they do not use nuclear weapons.
            2. +1
              April 10 2015 10: 58
              One of the reasons for not concluding a contract with India for the purchase of a light aircraft is the lack of it in the arsenal of Russia. We are trying to do everything expensive and big, which not everyone likes.
              1. 0
                April 10 2015 11: 10
                not so expensive. just doing a good consumer goods like F16 or a fighter fighter or mig-21,23 does not allow the industry level
          2. 0
            April 10 2015 10: 24
            Purchases on the T-50 decided to cut for one reason - the plane is not ready and there is nothing to buy.
        2. +1
          April 10 2015 09: 28
          And how many years will this LFI-5 be developed? The PAK-FA program has slowed down, there are no shifts. So, it is better to have more run-in cars than not a single promising one. It seems that the wrecking in the aviation industry, which is observed with civilian aircraft, is beginning to seize the military sphere.
          1. 0
            April 10 2015 09: 36
            Quote: Evgeniy667b
            And how many years will this LFI-5 be developed?

            In principle, 5 LFIs of the generation, that is, not only in the drawing, but also in the prototype version, this MIG-1.44. At what stage of development of the 5 LFIs, it is difficult for us to say because of the understandable secrecy of such topics. Let's hope that the machine was created and tested ... maybe the question is not only the strategic necessity of this complex, but also the elementary benefit (70% of all strike aircraft are sold by the LFI).
            Quote: Evgeniy667b
            PAK-FA program slows down, there are no progress

            very controversial. I do not trust publicly available sources, in which it is claimed by someone else. Nobody canceled the information war and state secret.
            1. +2
              April 10 2015 11: 12
              the secret is secret, but official data suggest that the 2 generation engine program has been moved several times already and in total more than by 2 of the year.
              1. +2
                April 10 2015 12: 39
                Quote: yehat
                the secret is secret, but official data suggest that the 2 generation engine program has been moved several times already and in total more than by 2 of the year.

                but let me ask you, at what stage are the relations between Russia, the USA and NATO in fact?
                If you aren’t yet aware, then we are at war with the United States and its sotiliti. And do you really think that our politicians and the military will voice the real state of affairs in the procurement, development and supply of troops in a generally accessible format?
                Do you remember the Second World War and answer me, did Germany or the USSR publish in the newspapers what they were developing, in what quantity and on the timing of armament work, or did they talk about it on the radio?
                Work is underway and I think faster than we think, because in a situation when the country is at war, the defense never slows down, it only builds up. Remember the slogan: ALL FOR THE FRONT, ALL FOR THE VICTORY! hi
            2. +1
              April 10 2015 11: 16
              in principle, the 5th generation LFI, that is, not only in the drawing, but also in the prototype version, this MIG-1.44

              As far as I remember the abbreviation LFI there the first letter means "easy".
              1. 0
                April 10 2015 12: 39
                Quote: clidon
                As far as I remember the abbreviation LFI there the first letter means "easy".

                that's right ... LFI-EASY FRONT Fighter.
                1. +2
                  April 10 2015 12: 59
                  So, what side is 1.44 here?
                  1. 0
                    April 10 2015 13: 19
                    Quote: clidon
                    So, what side is 1.44 here?

                    and in your opinion this is a heavy breakthrough fighter? Hmm, well, as the personages of the actor Farada used to say, in one New Year's comedy, Everyone is mistaken as he can. hi
                    1. +1
                      April 10 2015 13: 26
                      In my opinion, this is a prototype MFI, if you remember what it is. "Both a reaper and a gambler on a pipe." Some "implicated" said that he was generally expected to replace the MiG-31 and that they were adjusting it on the knee under the conditions of the MFI.

                      In any case, with a weight exceeding that of the Su-27, this machine (of which the Mig-29 is "knee-deep") somehow does not pull on the LFI.
                      1. 0
                        April 10 2015 13: 46
                        Quote: clidon
                        In any case, with a weight exceeding that of the Su-27, this machine (of which the Mig-29 is "knee-deep") somehow does not pull on the LFI.

                        I won’t argue ... taking into account its high-speed characteristics, it could well become a fighter-interceptor to replace the MIG-31. By the way, if I am not mistaken, the production version of this machine was about to be called the MIG-41.
                        But still, I suppose, it was built exactly as an LF. A light fighter, it is a multifunctional complex that can fight on the front line and work like an interceptor, as well as destroy ground targets.
                        Although your point of view is quite reasonable and justified. hi
              2. 0
                April 10 2015 13: 28
                Quote: clidon
                MIG-1.44

                MIG-1.44 does not have any relation to LFI, it is called MFI (multifunctional)
                1. +1
                  April 10 2015 13: 48
                  Yes, I already wrote a little higher about the same. ) It is enough to see this "baby" once, so that later you will not write about some kind of "lightness". )
          2. 0
            April 10 2015 13: 19
            Quote: Evgeniy667b
            The PAK-FA program has slowed down, there are no shifts.

            UAC reports to you every day?
            1. 0
              April 10 2015 13: 27
              KLA promised 10 fighters to be put in the troops in 2013 (in addition to prototypes). Or do you also believe in secret factories and secret deliveries to troops?
              1. 0
                April 10 2015 19: 24
                Quote: clidon
                KLA promised 10 fighters to be deployed in troops in 2013

                Lockheed Martin also promised a lot of things; work on the PAK FA is underway.
                Or how can the Americans set up the planes and then upgrade them in half a year for the cost of the plane, oh yes they print dollars, they can.
                1. 0
                  April 10 2015 19: 30
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  Or how can the Americans set up the planes and then upgrade them in half a year for the cost of the plane, oh yes they print dollars, they can.

                  set up one and a half hundred f-35, and then diligently correct them and finish 15 years laughing
                2. 0
                  April 10 2015 19: 33
                  I am talking about the T-50 program, and not about the success problems of Lockheed Martin's production policy.
                  1. 0
                    April 11 2015 09: 35
                    Quote: clidon
                    I am talking about the T-50 program, and not about the success problems of Lockheed Martin's production policy.

                    So the article is about the MiG-35 and not about the PAK FA?
                    1. +1
                      April 11 2015 09: 41
                      Although it was not me who raised the topic of the UAC, the MiG-35 and T-50 are linked in the context of the Air Force's production program. And it was about the fact that the T-50 "slowed down", and she slowed down and quite strongly. How Lockheed Martin influences our development is not clear to me.
                      Or do you just want to chat in the style of "Do you lynch blacks in America!"? )
                      1. 0
                        April 13 2015 11: 28
                        How are they connected? ... Rather, we still influence them. And not only in the light of the F-35. They pulled a lot of things from Russia, especially on lasers and holographic precision optics.
    2. +6
      April 10 2015 07: 11
      what's the contract for mig35 again? :) is already funny ... 30 pieces ?? generally under the table.
      can the contract number name in which they are "shipped" ??? :)
    3. +2
      April 10 2015 07: 44
      And what did you expect when technology and human resources in production are lost. Already the fact that not everyone was dying is already good.
    4. 0
      April 10 2015 11: 08
      And I am suspicious of the new MIG aircraft. The design bureau has recently done a lot of work on errors, but so far I do not see evidence that everything has become a way. There is no practical evidence. Therefore, I take neutral news about the supply of Mig-35.
    5. 0
      April 10 2015 11: 49
      Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said that under the state armament program before 2020, military pilots of the Russian Air Force will receive 30 MiG-35 light fighters, a contract for development work on which has already been signed.


      Hmm, i.e. the plane has been flying for several years, even in the tender back in 2009, participated, but still need to conduct OCD? Something I'm not poking wassat
      1. 0
        April 10 2015 12: 13
        He participated in this form, which still needed to be done by OCD. As a result, the topic was covered, and the name was transferred to the land version of the Mig-29K fighter. As such, the MO refused it and purchased 16 Mig-29SMT fighters. However, it was announced that there will be more purchases later (it is understandable, the factory has no orders, you need to help) or the Mig-29SMT or Mig-35.
        What will be sold to the military under the name "MiG-35" is, of course, a secret. But most likely a variant of the MiG-29K with updated equipment.
        1. +1
          April 10 2015 15: 54
          The MiG-31BM initially signed a contract for more than 50 cars until 2019, and then another 50 cars by the end of 2018. With the MiG-35 may be the same story. First, make at least a couple to understand the Air Force what the plane was, and there it will be seen. But for me, this aircraft may become the most massive in the army. Resources are increased, the range is larger, avionics (I hope the Bug will bring to mind) new and modern. What else does. At the European military theater, the MiG-35 will compete with any European (Rafal, Grippen, Eurofighter), and on the heavier ones there will be Dryers and MiG-31. It is cheaper than Dryers (engines, fuselage, radar less and cheaper for mass production).
          The new LFI, if created, will be in 10-15 years. And in the sky he is needed now. If it is successful, then there will be buyers - heavy drying for many countries, especially small ones, is redundant and expensive. hi
          1. 0
            April 10 2015 18: 48
            With the MiG-35, this story obviously does not go away. The choice was made in favor of the "dry" (Su-30, Su-35, T-50). They are already replacing "light" regiments and will, apparently, change further, occasionally tossing up Migu's orders, so that he does not corny ... And the 29s themselves, in general, there are not so many of them left - you can count the squadrons ... Hope that suddenly the Air Force is waiting for a quantitative expansion, too, from the category of "dreams".
            Mig-35 ... I do not want to croak, but it seems to me that the prospects for this machine are less. On the one hand, it is not so cheap to operate, on the other, the Chinese will support it in the market. However, his predecessor was not snapped up like hot cakes. There remains hope for its deep successful modernization (AFAR completion, a real improvement in the quality of the airframe), some kind of large order, support for the Air Force, etc.
    6. 0
      April 11 2015 14: 02
      The fact is that instant 35 will be created anew for the Russian Air Force, and the one that was created for the Indian Air Force does not suit us, it has a weak radar, and for us they will create a more advanced and better modification. until 2018, OCD and state trials will go
  2. +1
    April 10 2015 06: 44
    oh, more would be!
    1. 0
      April 10 2015 10: 24
      Quote: don sesar
      oh, more would be!

      It, of course, would be beautiful. But the car was originally intended essentially for export. And then 30 pcs. for advertisers and runs before potential buyers do not make sense. But in perspective: there is already a machine mastered in production and personnel, which, in the event of an aggravation of the situation, can significantly strengthen the Air Force, which the potential aggressor will need to consider as a factor complicating the prospects of the invasion.
      1. 0
        April 10 2015 11: 19
        What is there to advertise? These are machines for combat units (s), most likely in Millerovo and a little in training. Most likely Mig-29SMT will go to Gyumri.
        And the main task is to support afloat Mikoyanites.
    2. 0
      April 10 2015 13: 42
      Quote: Don Cesar
      oh, more would be!

      It is still unknown how it will end, the French contract is still hanging in the air.
  3. +2
    April 10 2015 06: 44
    “After the modernization of the MiG-31, we expect more than 130 vehicles in the troops - updated, remarkable, with extreme flight performance”


    It remains only to wish success to the military-industrial complex and in the service of flight crews.
    1. +3
      April 10 2015 07: 37
      Given the announced speed of modernization, 11-12 aircraft per year will have to wait a long time. Until the last reach the first, it will be necessary to write off.
      1. +2
        April 10 2015 07: 52
        I support. In the old days, in some years, only Su-27s were made up to 80-90 units a year. And there were MiG-29, MiG-31, Su-25. So while the pace is modest, let's hope for an increase in indicators.
        1. +4
          April 10 2015 08: 32
          In the old days, in some years, only Su-27s made up to 80-90 units a year


          In the old days, the MiG-31 riveted 17 pcs a month, in addition to the export MiG-21 bis ... And it wasn’t enough, the plant was driven into the tail and mane. The current pace - chickens laugh sad
          Old people - "some are gone, and those are far away." Young people are at best specialists in office coffee makers and security systems.
          Infections, in the city where the factory in the factory does not find a decent wrapper or sensible electrician. Already not funny.
          1. +2
            April 10 2015 10: 26
            Workers, that is, these specialists should be paid normally.
          2. 0
            April 10 2015 11: 16
            what kind of dibilism look for specialized personnel?
            everyone perceives the labor market as a genie who pulls gifts out of nowhere negative
            why no one wants to cook them for himself?
            Is it really difficult to recruit high school students, help in training and take on work?
            1. 0
              April 13 2015 08: 46
              Quote: yehat
              why no one wants to cook them for himself?
              Is it really difficult to recruit high school students, help in training and take on work?
              because it costs a lot of money, and enterprises are barely making ends meet anyway. The taxes are huge and there are few orders. So vocational schools at enterprises in our city were closed in the mid-90s and the buildings were transferred to the administration. Machine tools have long been in Turkey, like scrap metal. Think about it.
  4. +1
    April 10 2015 06: 45
    If only he has time to modernize and re-equip the Army and Navy of Russia by 2020, the air has long smelled of "gunpowder." While not enough, modernized and new weapons in percentage terms in the Army and Navy of Russia.
    1. +2
      April 10 2015 07: 48
      It was necessary to rearm it, as they say yesterday. Do not forget that the development of complex equipment and the tactics of its application also take time.
  5. anakonda
    +1
    April 10 2015 06: 47
    Poghosyan probably got his tail pinched, since the MiGs are starting to reach the troops. He is a famous fan of Su.
    1. +5
      April 10 2015 06: 52
      Poghosyan has been at the helm for two months already!
  6. 0
    April 10 2015 06: 50
    yes ... for 5 years ... that's cool. what at this rate, rearmament will last until the year 2050.
    1. 0
      April 10 2015 06: 59
      The main start! And there it will be seen.
      The most disgusting thing is that our rulers decide everything to whom, where and how much. And they can also cut volumes, and therefore the construction time.
      1. 0
        April 10 2015 09: 23
        Quote: Younger, I
        The main start! And there it will be seen.
        The most disgusting thing is that our rulers decide everything to whom, where and how much. And they can also cut volumes, and therefore the construction time.

        Since 2013, news has been published on the site that the MiG-35 will soon enter the troops. And the comments "Hurray, soon we will have a light fighter that will tear everyone."
    2. +2
      April 10 2015 07: 22
      yes ... for 5 years ... that's cool. what at this pace, rearmament will last until the year 2050.


      I think a deliberate measure ... the MiG-35, like the Su-35S, were initially export-oriented machines aimed at the markets of India, Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Africa, Latin America, etc. They made PAKFA for themselves in the heavy board version and based on it, in mass production, build a light board using up to 70-75% of nodes from the T-50, as well as modern production lines. This approach reduced design time and significantly reduced the cost of the entire series of fifth-generation machines (both light and heavy + a joint project for India). The order for the Su-35S was made primarily because of the 2-4-year lag (it was different for different components and assemblies) of the PAKFA project from the original schedule, and the fleet of cars needs to be updated already, so Su-35S was ordered enough Serious series and at the same time supported rusks, because so far it has not been possible to push this machine for export (there are many reasons, for example, it was still crude even at the beginning of 2014, the cost is significant and not everyone can afford it, etc.) Based on these realities, waiting is easy the board can be no earlier than 22-25 years old, and the fleet of light cars also becomes obsolete, and they pull the rubber from the patchwork, which has already lost their places by small orders without spraying funds from the main task - the light side of the fifth generation. This is IMHO of course.
  7. +1
    April 10 2015 06: 57
    30 pieces for 5 years. By 2 months on the plane. This is not a defense order, this is wrecking. Actually screwdriver assembly, not mass production. In Soviet times, they collected 5 per month.
  8. 0
    April 10 2015 07: 00
    The deputy minister noted that the lifespan of a modernized version of the aircraft with partially replaced onboard and radio-electronic equipment, as well as a locator, is 40-45 years, but it can be extended to 50 years.

    RLPK do not change. Only part of the blocks.
  9. +3
    April 10 2015 07: 02
    Will they give us these 5 years?
    1. 0
      April 10 2015 09: 02
      I doubt very much.
  10. 0
    April 10 2015 07: 02
    The prospects are encouraging, because there is a modernization program for the long-distance, BTA, front-line for all firms, instantly, su, mile, ka, etc.
  11. +1
    April 10 2015 07: 02
    In Soviet times, 5 were collected per month.

    Compare x .. with a finger.
  12. +1
    April 10 2015 07: 06
    6 aircraft per year! )) The defense industry is dead, no production facilities, but this is just another mega-sawing project ...
  13. 0
    April 10 2015 07: 12
    What kind of crap is 40-50 years of operation? What does he carry? This is if the planes in the hangars are stupidly standing, then you can declare 100 years.
    1. 0
      April 10 2015 10: 57
      IMHO: Maybe it meant 40-50 years of operation of everything?
      That is, the main fleet is made up of cars of the late 80s - 90s, and after modernization they will last another 15-20 years, so it turns out somewhere around 45-50 years.
  14. +1
    April 10 2015 07: 19
    In such a tense situation as it is now, it is necessary to pay special attention to the modernization of the Mig-31 and its entry into the troops, perhaps even to the detriment of the Mig-35 ... Interceptors are now needed like air ...
  15. 0
    April 10 2015 07: 47
    It’s strange. We talked about 100 aircraft, until 2020. And now 30. What is going on up there ???
    1. +2
      April 10 2015 08: 17
      Quote: pascal309
      It’s strange. We talked about 100 aircraft, until 2020. And now 30. What is going on up there ???

      Siluanov at the top going on, first the T-50, now the MiG-35, ideally min fin, would allocate money for the purchase of Po-2.
  16. +1
    April 10 2015 08: 21
    Do not go to extremes: "this is not enough, you need more; I do not want the 35th, but I want the 31st ...". The industry gives as much as it is able to give in the current conditions, the Ministry of Defense orders as many aircraft as the industry is able to give and as much money as there is (despite the needs of the Air Force). And the military budget is being cut. Everything will not work out right away, but I would like to.
  17. 0
    April 10 2015 08: 56
    It's bad, not so much that 30 cars, although I wrote it a year ago that the project of the Mig-35 will be "lowered on brakes" when they are fed breakfast for 4-5 years, this says a lot.
    The main problem I think is that instead of a full-fledged Mig-35 (which was in the tender with Raphael), they ordered the MIG-29M or the MIG-29UPG. Apparently, the Moscow Region didn’t want to and don’t want to give money to Mig for Nikor.
  18. +1
    April 10 2015 08: 59
    Not a cloud in terms of quantity, but what we can supply to the troops must go, and faster. There is no time to brake. As long as there is enough money, so many machines with "extreme flight characteristics" will be put into operation. The question is, in what direction is the cover? Light fighters, I believe, will be gathered in one grouping, and not spread out across the country.
  19. 0
    April 10 2015 09: 07
    Why are you different? They will start work, rehearse and may close the plan in a couple of years. Do you think that in the event of a major war the planes will decide? I would not be surprised if the funds were thrown into more apocalyptic projects. Like the same Sarmatian or Barguzin.
  20. 0
    April 10 2015 09: 22
    The plane is 150 years old at lunch. It would be better if they invested money in the creation of a new light fighter, a competitor to all kinds of flu and other f-16s with mirages. It’s time to close the question, we don’t have a single-engine light at all, neither for ourselves nor for sale. MIG, after all, has specialized in this for forty years. China will now take the market with its f-16 clone or our MiG-21.
    1. 0
      April 10 2015 11: 30
      Quote: chunga-changa
      The plane is 150 years old at lunch. It would be better if they invested money in the creation of a new light fighter, a competitor to all kinds of flu and other f-16s with mirages. It’s time to close the question, we don’t have a single-engine light at all, neither for ourselves nor for sale. MIG, after all, has specialized in this for forty years. China will now take the market with its f-16 clone or our MiG-21.

      At least someone noticed a paradoxical situation ... Russia is surrendered without a fight, the largest market is military aviation. And we get a logical result, losing the tender in Brazil for 100+ aircraft, losing India for 100+ aircraft and this is only under a large contract.
      Let's go back in time for an example. The first flight of F-16 on February 2, 1974, and after 3 years (!!!) the answer was ready in the form of instant-29 first flight on October 6, 1977.
      And now, even in the medium-term perspective (10 years) you can’t see a new aircraft easily. And the main front of the struggle for this is to rivet articles about which F-35 is bad .... PPC.
      Another two or three years and the situation will be very bad. Urgently need to start about creating a project and gather allies / coalition for procurement and production.
      PS I do not agree about single-engine, we do not have a suitable engine with a thrust of 19 tons, so let it be better if 2.
      1. +1
        April 10 2015 12: 38
        I do not agree about single-engine, we do not have a suitable engine with a thrust of 19 tons, so let it be better if 2.

        You write correctly above, you need a lightweight car to conquer the market. The reasons why it is not on my part are very commonplace - there simply is no one to it and there is nothing to do. But who will be in their right mind to take a light twin-engine car?
        1. 0
          April 10 2015 13: 14
          Quote: clidon
          I do not agree about single-engine, we do not have a suitable engine with a thrust of 19 tons, so let it be better if 2.

          You write correctly above, you need a lightweight car to conquer the market. The reasons why it is not on my part are very commonplace - there simply is no one to it and there is nothing to do. But who will be in their right mind to take a light twin-engine car?

          If you manage to keep the price within reasonable limits, why not? It is already impossible to wait for the creation of the desired engine (!!), the engine for the pack phase 2 will not be produced before the 20th year, only this year a demonstrator will be created, this usually takes from 3-5 years to the flying engine + state. app.
          Yes, and it does not fit, you need a more powerful one. And when such an engine will be generally HZ.
          Here it is already necessary to proceed from your capabilities and time, the appearance of your LFI 5 pok. by the year 2030.
          UPD is apparently the answer to your question about twin-engine aircraft
          http://ria.ru/world/20150410/1057746743.html
          1. +1
            April 10 2015 13: 38
            But how can the cost of operating with two engines be kept within reasonable limits? If we want to make a competitive car, we need to make it that way. Or lighten or increase engine power.
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              April 10 2015 14: 08
              Quote: clidon
              But how can the cost of operating with two engines be kept within reasonable limits? If we want to make a competitive car, we need to make it that way. Or lighten or increase engine power.

              You +
              I do not know. But it is necessary to do LFI and as quickly as possible.
              The development cycle of a new aircraft is 10-15 years before being put into service, and it’s simply impossible to continue pulling.
              I just can’t really understand what the Russian Air Force will look like in 2025-2030? That is, we want to satisfy all the needs of our Air Force with heavy SU? It is necessary at least to build 1000-1500 aircraft, in the next 10-15 years there will be a large write-off of aircraft of 70-80 years of production. Such even the USSR and America could not / cannot afford to have so many heavy and expensive aircraft.
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                April 10 2015 14: 43
                The structure of the Russian Air Force, in my opinion, is already clearly looming. Just the main reductions in aviation have already passed and we currently have from the old (that is, those same 80s) machines we have:
                Mig-29 - about 70-80 units.
                Su-27 - about 170-180 + units
                Su-24 - about 130 units
                Mig-31 - 130-150 units
                Su-25 - 150-170 + units.
                Tu-22M - 50-60 + units
                + strategic bombers.
                Everything is clear with the Mig-29 - they will soon be decommissioned and replaced with the Mig-29SMT, Su-30 and the aforementioned Mig-35.
                Su-27 - upgraded (70-80 + pieces) will be kept until the mid-20s, non-upgraded ones are already changing to Su-30 and Su-35.
                Su-24 - decommissioning and replacement with the Su-34 in the next 7-10 years.
                Mig-31 - modernization and operation of the year until 2030+.
                Su-25 - a long difficult life.
                Tu-22M - modernization and service for another 10-15 years, depending on how the PAK FA program goes.

                In total, in the next 10 years, about 450-500 tactical machines will go under the knife. Replace them, producing, on average, 50-60 combat vehicles a year, the aviation industry is quite capable. Even more than that, the number of aircraft delivered to the troops in the 20s is likely to decrease, so much money may not be given, and the cost per unit will increase.

                But with the thesis that LFI is needed, that it is desirable to develop it, I certainly agree. But I won’t be surprised if they save on it.
  21. 0
    April 10 2015 09: 22
    Better a dozen promising T-50 .....
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      April 10 2015 09: 42
      Be realistic.
      We make airplanes as much as we can, and states as much as we want.
      This, by the way, is also not very bad.
  22. 0
    April 10 2015 10: 09
    Quote: RUSOIVAN
    It will not be enough!

    Honestly, this Aviprom PR is already tired. Cackling like a chicken over its only laid egg.
  23. +2
    April 10 2015 10: 42
    Not really in the subject, but here
  24. 0
    April 10 2015 15: 39
    need to rush - less time ...