Import substitution from Ukroboronprom: "Stugna-P" instead of "Javelin"

The management of "Ukroboronprom" report that the corporation is switching to mass production of "Ukrainian analogues of the Javelin complex." We are talking about the Ukrainian anti-tank missile systems "Stugna-P", which "Ukroboronprom" intends to send under contracts to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and units of the National Guard. Edition "Press of Ukraine" quotes the words of Roman Romanov, representing the Directorate of Ukroboronservice:

We have already begun mass production. Systems ordered by the Ministry of Defense, the National Guard, will be actively used.

"Stugna-P" - anti-tank missile system, adopted by the Ukrainian army in 2011. ATGM designed to defeat armored vehicles, including tanks. ATGM “Stugna-P” in certain conditions can be used for air targets - for example, helicopters. Firing range ATGM up to 4 km. Target detection range - up to 6,5 km, recognition range - up to 2,5 km. Penetration - up to 800 mm (homogeneous armor). Control system: on a laser beam, with target tracking in automatic mode or from a remote control, on a TV channel.

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[avvg]

This is not import substitution, but weapons for the "niggaz" to destroy their own people.

[Giant thought]

Another confirmation that war will soon be again.

[kr33sania]

The instructions say: "If the enemy tank is not destroyed by the Stugna rocket, finish off with a helmet!"

[Metallurgist]

"That's just one, bastard, shoots at his own ..." (c) Popandupalo, the film "Wedding in Malinovka" about the machine guns of Pan Ataman ...
Chet inspired, maybe not just?

[Shadow1]

Let him shoot at his own !!!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: avvg

it's time to replace, everything comes

Something he looks suspiciously like "Javelin" and mastered production faster than P. Korchagin built a narrow-gauge railway ... All this is suspicious ... Most likely, "car sets" come from the same place, and on Kroin they redraw the nameplates. Even the coloring on these "Stupa-G" is as if they were from Syria yesterday ... Not for our grass or snow. Maybe it's time to write "ZIL-130" on Iskander and who should be supplied to?

[ILDM1986]

what the hell is a javelin! Look at the "wiki" first before writing - he has neither "shot and forgot", no defeat in the roof of the tank, no built-in IR seeker. according to its performance characteristics - this is a stripped-down "Cornet" - caliber 130 instead of 152, respectively, and the range and armor penetration is lower, despite the fact that the weight and dimensions are higher! this miracle has the only advantages over the "cornet" is the speed of the rocket.

[kuz363]

Similarly, similar to the Cornet in terms of characteristics. Of course not Javelin. But it can also play its role in battle.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: ILDM1986

what the hell is a javelin! Look at the "wiki" first before writing - he has neither "shot and forgot", no defeat in the roof of the tank, no built-in IR seeker. according to its performance characteristics - this is a stripped-down "Cornet" - caliber 130 instead of 152

Maybe someone knows better. Especially if someone reads on Wiki. I am an old man - personally, only with the RPG-7 familiar, without any Vicki. At that time there was no "shot and forgot", on various tricky IKGSN ... And from the "Cornets" there was one Obolensky. And then I looked - the pipe and the tripod are similar. And the coloring is not for the middle lane. So I assumed ...

And I took a photograph from an article about Javelins. But, I think, it’s not such an important issue to fight off with pruflinki. Now, if it goes on like this, you look, and we'll see live what Javelins and Cornets are like. And what color is the blood of Bandera. Black or yellow-black. See also.

[ILDM1986]

here about the "cornet-D":
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-559.html
but about the miscarriage of ukrov:
http://ru.slovoidilo.ua/articles/8164/2015-03-10/ukrainskij-javelin--ptrk-stugna

-p.html
we get:
range- 8000m vs 5000m
penetration for DZ-1100-1300mm against 800mm
caliber - 152 mm vs 130 mm
the mass of rakeit in TPK is 31 kg against 29,5 kg
eh, again they flown with difficulty ... all the characteristics are lower by a good 50% with the same mass ...
I also saw the difference - at the Ukrovs the control panel is located 50 meters from the launcher, but in principle the same can be done on the "cornet" in order to secure the calculation from return fire, if only the customer asked.
And with RPG-7 you are in vain, you also need to master new equipment! laughing

[user1212]

Photo "Stugna" apparently from the BRIDEX 2011 exhibition, hence the left coloring

[sever.56]

Soon there will be nothing to eat, and there is nothing to eat, but they are inventing some "stupas"! The planes to be dumped from the "nezalezhnaya" are probably in constant readiness.

[Twice RUSSIAN]

They scared the woman with shoes. (From the statements of Chernomyrdin)

[Magic archer]

Something really painful, this Stugna resembles our Cornet! Even the guidance system is identical!

[Motherland Russia]

They cannot "give birth" to their own.
What will happen when technology goes further.
Will they run with bits after tanks?

[gjv]

I suppose you should not be mistaken and be in the dark.
Skif portable anti-tank missile system for hitting stationary and moving modern armored targets with combined armor, which includes homogeneous armor, as well as dynamic defense. The system can also hit small targets such as firing points, a tank in a trench, lightly armored targets and helicopters. The system has the ability to direct missiles to the target from closed firing points and shelters in order to reduce the risk of the gunner hitting the enemy with return fire. Firing range 5000 m. Length 1360 mm. Caliber 130 mm. Developer - GSKB Luch, Kiev. And they also have a Corsair (range 2500 m, caliber 107 mm, length 1160 mm, weight 18 kg). And they also have Combat - UR for firing from a 125 mm caliber tank gun at a range of up to 5 km.

[Kent0001]

This is understandable, the question is how many of these crafts and their ammunition can be made by dill itself, as I understand it, there must have been something ours in them.

[aleks26]

And where is all this wealth? Under Debaltsov something of all this stuff was not observed. And how much does it cost? And where to get the money?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: aleks26

And where is all this wealth? Under Debaltsov something of all this stuff was not observed. And how much does it cost? And where to get the money?

They say that this one Javelin costs 170 000 American money. Well this is how much for one Javelin RPG-7 you can buy !!!!

[FACKtoREAL]

"guidance systems" - "identical" all over the world, as well as ...
principles of building weapons systems and military equipment

[Magic archer]

Well, don’t tell! The same Javelin has a different guidance system than Cornet! The infrared homing head, and uses the principle of shot-forgot

[Arkon]

Current still need to shoot. There, if I’m not mistaken, the preparation for the shot is not easy (for javelins). The head must be cooled.
Correct if I am mistaken.

[kuz363]

I watched the US video about Javelin. It turns out nothing complicated. Any boy can control if he played computer games, as the host assured. When you turn it on, a rectangular frame is visible on the monitor of the complex (and at night too). Point this box at the target. When a crosshair appears on the target after a few seconds, it means the target is captured by the rocket head. It remains to launch a rocket and you can hide, run away, change position. Shot and forgot. The missile itself is flying accurately on the infrared radiation of the target. The only subtlety - it seems like before a shot for 20-30 seconds it is necessary to cool the infrared head, according to other sources. How to cool is unclear. But the video didn’t talk about it,

[aleks26]

Probably like in MANPADS. In principle, nothing complicated, I started the process and you wait.

[loft79]

Quote: FACKtoREAL

"guidance systems" - "identical" all over the world, as well as ...
principles of building weapons systems and military equipment

A little bit about that. This ATGM Ukrainians call an analogue of Javelin. Javelin is equipped with an infrared seeker (such as shot-forgot), so the principle of operation of this ATGM is similar to Cornet, as indicated Magic archer

[loft79]

oops while typing Archer himself answered

[Fregate]

This is not the same anti-tank systems that they developed with Belarus?

[Engineer]

And so? Stugna-P is made on the basis of a guided missile for the 100mm gun of the T-55 tank, but it already has Soviet roots.

[Eggor]

Original picture:

[mishaia_23]

only there is a remote control with a offset up to 50 meters

[Horst78]

Quote: Magic Archer

Something really painful, this Stugna resembles our Cornet! Even the guidance system is identical!

And they will say that it’s We stibilized their ATGMs.

[AlexSK]

There is definitely a similarity.

[KAPITANUS]

After all, Ukraine is for the WORLD! What is the Stupa for or how is it?

[wasjasibirjac]

Quote: KAPITANUS

After all, Ukraine is for the WORLD! What is the Stupa for or how is it?

here it will fight for peace, to the last drop of American financial blood, until stone on stone is gone.

[Motherland Russia]

And what color is this, are you going to fight in the desert?

[Grigorievich]

We will wait at the arsenal of New Russia.

[Sergey-8848]

Unfortunately, this exhibit will not be used by the DNI or LC, unfortunately (or maybe fortunately). He is exhibition (single). It must be dragged through summits and briefings, and presented to everyone and everyone to justify the pontovity.
The military-industrial complex of Ukraine is still good, but no one will buy, even emirs who do not count money (the seller can stumble at any time).

[Viktor Kudinov]

The question is, what did they ask the West for "Jeveins" !? You never know what other freebies they get! ???

[Bombardier]

MOSCOW, MAR 20- RIA Novosti. In Uzbekistan, an obelisk was dismantled in memory of local residents who died in the Great Patriotic War, a representative of one of the city’s public organizations told RIA Novosti on Friday.

The monument was erected in the city of Angren in the Tashkent region.

"The demolition of the obelisk caused indignation among many townspeople. It was dilapidated, required reconstruction, but as of May 9, there were always many flowers here," the agency's interlocutor said. According to him, an obelisk with a commemorative inscription "Eternal glory to the Angren soldiers who fell in the battles for the independence of our Motherland" was erected in the very center of the city in 1967.
This is not the first resonant case related to the dismantling of monuments of the Great Patriotic War in Uzbekistan. In November 2009, a monument to the Soviet soldier-defender of the Fatherland, erected in 1975, was dismantled in Tashkent. In its place in the same year a new monument was erected in honor of the armed forces of Uzbekistan. Russia expressed concern to Uzbekistan in connection with its dismantling. The Foreign Ministry of Uzbekistan, in turn, stated that the dismantled monument was not a symbol perpetuating the memory of soldiers in the Second World War, but only reflected the ideology of the old regime.

In March 2010, the street was named after Georgy Ivlev, an attack pilot, a native of Tashkent, who was also awarded the Golden Star of a Hero of the Soviet Union for feats on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War. In January 2011, a monument to the Hero of the Soviet Union, Major General Sabir Rakhimov, the only front-line general from Uzbekistan, was moved to another place in the capital of Uzbekistan.

According to the Nuroniy (Veteran) public fund, there are currently about 7 war veterans in Uzbekistan, more than 115 veterans who worked in the rear, and 2 families of dead soldiers. In total, more than 1,4 million residents of Uzbekistan participated in the Great Patriotic War, of which more than 400 thousand died, 130 thousand were missing.
http://ria.ru/world/20150320/1053585505.html

An eclipse of the sun is interesting and informative, but an eclipse of the brain and memory .... Spit in the soul of veterans on the eve of the 70th anniversary of the Victory! What bile and hatred for our common Great History should be, what would be done?

[Big lexey]

Eclipse of the sun - it is different ... For example, today, in Kiev:

[Barakuda]

Yes, I managed to notice, he even put glasses on the dog.

[Big lexey]

Eclipse of the sun - it is different ... For example, today, in Kiev:

[gav6757]

Horse-drawn vehicles should be used to move this structure, as the money went into the manufacture of 5 pieces, more money is dumb! Therefore, due to lack of fuel, use a horse, and preferably a camel, so that in the absence of hay he ate less often ...

[manguest]

This should be understood so that the javelins are no longer expected, and tales about the "analog" are only suitable for the press, for mass production from scratch, quick equipping in real army volumes - hardly.

[Mama_Cholli]

quote: We are talking about the Ukrainian anti-tank missile systems "Stugna-P", which "Ukroboronprom" intends to send under contracts to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and units of the National Guard.
pisi:
Obviously they forgot to write that with the militia a supply contract will also be signed ...

[Thronekeeper]

"Stegno" tropical desert colors.
Some sheikh refused to buy camels for hunting. The series, probably, units in 50. The militia have already presented this device together with "Spartan".
In fact, this is a small-caliber (130mm) Belarusian "Kornet" with a laser command line.
The production of Skifs is impossible without Belarusian and Russian components.

[Gray 43]

I think that this weapon will only be used not for tanks - you can get an answer from them, but for cars and other unprotected vehicles that will fall into the eyes of the Nazis

[Prager]

quickly their army and national guard will not receive, and it takes time to learn how to use this thing, and while it goes, you see, the militias will finally liberate New Russia.

[Mountain shooter]

Sand is a poor substitute for oats. Well, what are these ATGMs replacing the un-supplied Javelins? I don’t believe for anything. And knowing the state of production and assembly in dill, I don’t believe in the production of good products in general.

[_my opinion]

We have already begun mass production ...

... in a couple of years we’ll release a couple of pieces.
(to start this one thing, but to release it is a completely different matter, for this we need equipment, components, and testing the technology in compliance with quality)

... Systems ordered by the Ministry of Defense, the National Guard, will be actively used.

... in the description of Facebook transmog.

[guznorodov]

America did not knock out a loan from the IMF so that Ukraine would buy weapons from itself, but from American concerns. So these developments will remain in a single copy.

[Migor102]

DELIVER IMMEDIATELY TO NEWSLETTER, THEY WILL TEST ON THE BUREAU

[den3080]

“They will shake off their faces,” he said, “and the swollen black-haired woman squish along the margazes. This is twenty long hohara. Marco would have hit on the motley. Yes, the Khokharis are baldly gunning. On that and rooted srosten. This is our mayor ...
Don Reba felt his shaved chin.
“Studio shot,” he said thoughtfully.
Waga shrugged.
- This is our mayor. It’s not easy for us to get comfortable with your city. By size?
“By size,” the crown protection minister said decisively.
“And drink the circle,” Vaga said, rising.

“It is difficult to be a god” (A. and B. Strugatsky)

a slice of conversation of the khlivy sharks from the NSDC.
Gloky cuzdra overheard

[AlNikolaich]

Have you discovered your bokren?

[mamont5]

Quote: Giant thought

Another confirmation that war will soon be again.

So, what's new? The Ukrokhuntyat government lives in war and cannot live without it, like their masters. Without war they are not viable.

[Wolka]

I would like to hear the opinions of experts on countering this anti-tank "monster" in the conditions of modern combat ...

[uwzek]

Quote: Volka

I would like to hear the opinions of experts on countering this anti-tank "monster" in the conditions of modern combat ...

If there is laser guidance, then the "curtain" with the T-90 specifically suppresses it (it was developed against such ammunition). It's more difficult with older tanks. There is only one recipe: more smoke on the battlefield ...

[Barakuda]

Stugna is a river near Obukhov-Ukrainka near Kiev. Pretty fast. And it’s not at all her fault that they called her like that ..

[mamont5]

Quote: Migor102

DELIVER IMMEDIATELY TO NEWSLETTER, THEY WILL TEST ON THE BUREAU

Where is it just to get the Bounty. Ukrainians did a little of them. And it is unlikely to be more.

[Barakuda]

Just watched a column of broken armored vehicles - armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles. They drove to Kiev, probably to repair ..

[06010302]

Yes, the news is bad. but will they be able to produce these complexes in large quantities in the wreck of the economy, a big question ?! More likely no than yes. I looked at a couple of video reports and strongly doubt that they can. for a year they couldn’t, but right now when they realize that for a year and a half this power will stand no more easier to pull away and dump the IMF loan !!!

[Sealek]

Control a rocket on a television channel or with laser illumination?
"Javelins" are equipped with an autonomous homing head "let / forget" - what kind of import substitution are they talking about?

[Letnab]

Shot and forgot, of course it sounds cool, and it's cool to use in computer toys. But I read on the website, it seems, "Otvaga" recollections of an anti-tank gunner about the use of Kornet-type ATGMs in Chechnya for various purposes. Both for tanks and live targets. And there are episodes where the operator had to lead the missile to the target, literally deviating the missile from the direct flight path to the target to bypass the crowns of trees, bushes and other obstacles, and only after avoiding the obstacle the sight mark returned to the target.
I wonder how in the system I shot and forgot possible obstacles on the flight path of a rocket are taken into account?

[AlNikolaich]

Obstacles are not taken into account! If the GOS fulfilled the target capture, then there are no obstacles!
If at the moment of firing the target "breaks down" from the seeker, the javelin shoots, but the rocket engine
does not start, and it crashes before calculating ...

[Grim Reaper]

What are the obstacles in the desert ??? :)))

[uwzek]

Quote: Letnab

But I read on the website, it seems, "Otvaga" recollections of an anti-tank gunner about the use of Kornet-type ATGMs in Chechnya for various purposes.

You read the memories of the crap. There is no such opportunity to control ATGM, dodging branches, (you simply will not see them at a distance of several kilometers: there is no such optics, and the rocket reaction speed is not so great).
There is an excess mode in which the missile flies most of its mournful path at an altitude of 100-200 meters (where there are very few trees and their branches), and before the target it decreases by a given trajectory ...

[aleks26]

After the shot, it’s not like that before, First, pull up so that it doesn’t slip on the ground (the clunker is sinking), then lower it and aim at the target and at the same time try not to be killed, the tourist is a noble prey and therefore they do not live long.

[reklats34]

American missile shot = 3.000.000r Ukrainians about his Stugna-P shot = 750.000r

[olf_1959]

Damn, what to do now? Everything is lost! Save who can! That scared the hedgehog.

[Anchonsha]

Now it will already be possible to say that the very concept of Novorossia may be in question. The junta is heavily armed not only with its weapons, but also receives them from NATO countries, and at the same time in large volumes. At the same time, new military units are created and trained with the help of various guardians of freedom of Ukrainians such as small-shavens and Yankees. Donbass is repairing what it received in battles as trophies. And the junta’s war will necessarily begin, because for this radical lyashki and other Bandera scum. And therefore, you just need to think of Russia as a militia to help repel this aggression.