The myth that the Bolsheviks destroyed tsarist Russia

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Among the myths that are created and maintained to distort stories Russia, a special place is occupied by the view that the October revolution of Lenin’s “German spy” destroyed the old, tsarist Russia. They say that it is the Bolsheviks who are guilty of the fact that the Russian empire perished. The February revolution is usually not mentioned or not considered a negative phenomenon in the history of Russia. Supposedly, February was supposed to bring Russia freedom, make it a prosperous European power, and October led to the Civil War and the victory of the "bloody Bolsheviks" who soon created a new totalitarian "slave" empire.

According to the Liberal Democrats, the lumpen proletariat, the “red plague” and criminals released from prisons have destroyed a prosperous world leader leading to an unprecedented takeoff of their culture. The Reds unleashed the Civil War and destroyed the “color of the nation” - the officers (they forget that almost half of the officers of Tsarist Russia fought on the side of the Red Army and that without military experts the Reds had no chance of victory), aristocracy, nobility, intelligentsia, clergy, merchants and prosperous peasantry. The Bolsheviks, led by Lenin, as a Mongol-Tatar horde, marched through the flourishing Russia with fire and sword, turning it into ruins. As a result, the communist yoke was established for seven decades.

However, the myth-makers consciously close their eyes or lead away from some fundamental facts. In Russia, by 1917, there was a real revolutionary situation. A number of deep contradictions inherent in the Romanov empire during its creation, rushed to 1917 in the year like a real atomic bomb and led to a terrible catastrophe. Russian civilization then was on the verge of death. External enemies already triumphed and divided the skin, as it seemed, of a dead bear. Japan, France, England, USA, Romania, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Finland and even the artificial weak Baltic republics tried to snatch a piece from Russia.

Anyone more or less familiar with the history of the Romanov empire can quite easily identify ten most difficult problems that hindered the development of tsarist Russia, undermined its stability and could sooner or later lead to confusion. This is the existence in Russia of as many as three separate worlds — the westernized privileged class, the people proper — an enormous mass of peasants, workers and burghers, and the world of the Old Believers. This is a huge financial weight of debt, which restrained the development of Russia and caused its dependence on the West. This is the final formalization of official Orthodoxy, when the church became part of the state apparatus, having practically lost the Spirit. This is a huge cultural, educational and material gap between the privileged classes and the masses. This is an agrarian question that the reform of 1861 (which even worsened the situation in some respects) and the reforms of Stolypin could not solve it so. This is a working question. This is a problem of national regions, when the lack of a consistent policy on the Russification and elimination of the "weeds" of separatism led to the creation of dangerous revolutionary centers in Finland, Poland and the South Caucasus. This is the absence of a full-fledged and unified security policy that would be able to neutralize the attempts of the internal "fifth column" and external forces to destroy the empire. This is the need for accelerated industrialization caused by the military and economic weakness of Russia, which was revealed by the war with Japan. Suffice it to recall the “shell and rifle hunger”, the lack of ammunition, heavy guns, machine guns, ammunition (including boots), and much more. You can continue for a long time. Tsarist Russia was seriously ill.

Detonator revolution

However, Russia and in such a painful state could still exist for a long time and get a chance for modernization, including led by the king. The big bang needed a detonator that would reveal all the ulcers lurking in Russian life. Even the Russian-Japanese war, although it was somewhere on the outskirts of the empire and did not affect most of the people, shook the empire, exacerbated socio-economic contradictions, made it possible for various revolutionary forces to intensify their activities, caused the 1905-1907 revolution.

Russia's external enemies saw and understood everything perfectly. The war with Japan has become a test balloon. It was necessary to draw Russia into a more serious conflict in order to intensify all internal contradictions and to destroy the two most dangerous for the owners of the Anglo-Saxon project of power - the German and Russian empires. According to the owners of the “liberal-democratic” capitalist world, the monarchies, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire, were also subject to demolition. Their aristocratic and semi-feudal regimes were “outdated” and had to become a thing of the past. Standing behind France, England and the United States "gold (financial) International" or so-called. "World backstage", solved three main tasks. First, for the domination of their global project, it was necessary to destroy the powers carrying the potential of giving birth to an alternative project. Especially dangerous was the strategic alliance of industrialized Germany and Russia, which had almost unlimited resource potential. In particular, then in terms of population, Russia was second only to China and India and could retain third place, reaching the level of 400-500 million people in several decades. The Ottoman Empire (the sultan was at the same time caliph — the head of all Muslims) carried the potential for the development of an Islamic project. But for this, both Russia and Turkey needed to get out of dependence on the West, primarily in the sphere of culture, education, science, technology, to create an independent industrial base, for which they had the necessary resource base.

Russia was for the masters of the West the most dangerous, since more than once direct military attempts to subjugate the Russian people suffered a complete collapse. Direct force, like Indian cultures, India and China through the opium wars, Russia could not be subjugated. The military power of Russia frightened the West. Therefore, the “Russian question” was planned (as it is now planned) to be solved comprehensively. They were going to dismember Russia, partly give it to neighboring countries (like Romania and Finland), partly divided into spheres of influence. In particular, the American "sharks" laid claim to Siberia.

Secondly, in order to facilitate the subordination and "digestion" of the territories of fallen empires, they were planned to be divided into "independent, national and democratic states." The wreckage of fallen empires was easier to build into the New World Order. Nothing has actually changed at the present time. The division of Sudan into two parts, with the continuation of the internal conflict, the disintegration of Libya and Iraq, the war in Syria, the collapse of the territory of Georgia, the collapse of Little Russia - all these are links of one chain. Small debris that are in constant conflict with their neighbors is an excellent material for a Western globalization project. Small “sovereign” states that have a lot of internal and external conflicts and problems cannot offer significant resistance to the builders of “New Babylon”.

Thirdly, democracy is very convenient for manipulating the masses. Practically all mass media, especially significant ones, are under the control of large magnates, oligarchs. Financial circles in one way or another finance leading politicians, public figures, political parties and movements. Without funding, it is impossible to conduct a successful presidential or parliamentary election campaign. The media allows you to form the necessary public opinion in financial circles, to create fashion and tastes, etc. As a result, money bags remain in the shadows, but they have real power. And the people formally "free" and "freely" vote for those candidates who are satisfied with the "golden elite". What this ultimately leads to, we can see by the example of the modern United States and European countries, where any misery or parsley-fool can become the governor or president, but they are not the ones who determine the real policy.

At the same time, the “golden elite” constantly lowers the spiritual and intellectual level of the subordinate population so that there are no social protests. There is a clear system of separation of education: the “elite” has one level of knowledge, the “dedicated” (to members of various elite organizations, clubs and lodges) another, the people as a whole have only partial knowledge without having a solid vision of the situation. A very good example is the United States. There, from about 1960-ies, a strategy of stupor, debilization of the masses has been working. The choice of tools is very wide - from anesthesia and alcoholism to stupid music, moronic shows and TV programs, now the involvement of people in “virtual worlds” plays a big role. The sexual revolution plays a very important role in the degradation of the masses, when relations between men and women are reduced to the level of primitive promiscuity (promiscuous sexual relations), and families are destroyed.

The distant future is an “electronic concentration camp” when people will be completely dependent on virtual reality, having lost contact with the real world. How quickly these degradation processes are developing can be seen in the same States. Americans 1940-ies are soldiers, pilots, sailors, engineers, builders and scientists, strong-willed, intelligent and strong nation. Americans of the 1990-2000 model are “vegetables”, degenerate perverts of all stripes, pacifists, tolerastov, drug addicts, criminals, sexual instinct-obsessed individuals, infantiles, etc. However, this situation threatens the loss of controllability, so as the quality of the elite also falls. With the further realization of such a scenario, the West may fall into the trap and everything will end very badly. Similar scenarios are described in some works of the post-apocalyptic genre.

Unfortunately, after 1991, a similar strategy was begun to be implemented in Russia, where there is a separation of the education system for the “elect” (or the rich children study abroad) and all the rest. At the same time, the liberals, who still control the sphere of education, took Western standards, such as the USE and the Bologna system, as a model, which led to a serious drop in the educational level of the last generations. The catastrophe has not yet occurred, but only due to the Soviet foundation and the sabotage of the ordinary teaching masses. However, the critical limit is already close.

Russia was extremely dangerous to enter the First World War. The society was divided, struck by mutual hatred. Inside the country there were a lot of parties, movements and structures that wanted radical changes and even the destruction of the empire. The country's economy was not ready for war. This was perfectly understood by the head of the government, Pyotr Arkadyevich Stolypin and the village peasant, personifying peasant Russia - Grigory Efimovich Rasputin, and many other visionary figures. The war with Germany was initially incomprehensible and is not needed by the Russian people, like the previous lost war with Japan. In this war, the Russians acted as "cannon fodder" of England and France. It turned out that Russia practiced foreign loans in this way. The Western powers at first wanted to set Russia and Germany at bay, using the “Russian ram” to crush the power of the German Empire, and then provoke an internal conflict, a palace coup or a revolution to profit by the fallen powers.

Back in February, Peter Nikolayevich Durnovo, the right-wing Russian leader, handed Nicholas II a letter in February 1914, in which he predicted the nature of the war and the future of Russia if she was drawn into the war. Durnovo correctly noted that this war "is the rivalry between England and Germany." The rapid development of Germany led to the emergence of a mortal danger to the industrial and economic well-being of England. "Naturally, England cannot surrender without a fight, and the struggle between her and Germany is inevitable not for life, but for death." England and Germany, because of their geographical location, are not sufficiently vulnerable to each other. Therefore, the British, as they have done more than once in the past, will look for "cannon fodder" in Europe.

After the Russian-Japanese war, despite the active sabotage of England in this war, when the British supported Japan with all their might, Russia went towards rapprochement with Britain. As Durnovo further noted, Russia will not receive any real benefits from rapprochement with England. “The only plus — improved relations with Japan — is hardly a consequence of the Russian-English rapprochement. In essence, Russia and Japan are created in order to live in peace, since they have absolutely nothing to divide. All the tasks of Russia in the Far East, correctly understood, are completely compatible with the interests of Japan. (Russia and Japan in 1904 were simply poisoned, as Russia and Germany in 1914 was the author). These tasks, in essence, are reduced to very modest limits. The far too wide imagination of presumptuous performers who had no basis for the real interests of the state - on the one hand, the excessive nervousness and impressionability of Japan, which mistakenly took these fantasies as a consistent plan, on the other hand, caused a clash that more skillful diplomacy could have avoided ” .

Durnovo quite correctly noted that Japanese desires would be directed southward, towards the Philippine Islands, Indochina, Java, Sumatra and Borneo (the way it happens). With the normal development of relations, without the provoking intervention of external forces, “peaceful cohabitation, I will say more, a close rapprochement between Russia and Japan in the Far East is quite natural.”

The situation was similar in Europe. The rapprochement between Russia and Britain worsened its position in the Balkans and in the Middle East, including Porto, where Austria and Germany intensified their policies. Turkey, concerned about the union of Russia with England and the possibility of the British refusing the traditional closure policy of the Dardanelles for the Russians, as well as the creation of a hostile to the Ottomans of the Balkan Union under the auspices of Russia, collapsed into the arms of the Germans. The rapprochement of Russia with England inevitably promised us an armed clash with Germany.

According to Durnovo, “the vital interests of Russia and Germany do not collide anywhere, and provide a complete basis for the peaceful coexistence of these two states.” Germany is more interested in pressing England on the seas and in the colonies, rather than in the colonization of vast Russian territories. All the resources of Russia, which are necessary for Germany, she easily received in peacetime. It makes no sense for Russia to conquer Polish lands, since this will reinforce the “Polish problem” within the empire. Galicia was in the same position. As noted by Durnovo: “It is clearly unprofitable for us, in the name of the idea of ​​national sentimentalism, to attach to our fatherland an area that has lost any living connection with it. After all, on an insignificant handful of Russians in the spirit of the Galicians, how many Poles, Jews, Ukrainian Uniates will we get? ”At present, the Ukrainian or Mazepa movement was weak and shouldn’t be strengthened. And during the war this movement would inevitably intensify. During the war, the embryo of "extremely dangerous Little Russian separatism" could reach "completely unexpected sizes."

To solve the problem of the straits it was not necessary to fight. For trade, the straits during the world were open. In addition, the Ottoman Empire itself was on the verge of death. You could just wait for favorable conditions to solve this problem. It is obvious that Berlin himself would willingly go on this issue towards Petersburg, to buy our neutrality during the conflict between England and Germany. In Transcaucasia, Russia did not necessarily have to fight for Western Armenia, which was part of Turkey, this was not part of the range of national tasks. In addition, as with the straits, here we could find an understanding of Germany if the Ottoman Empire collapsed. At the same time, we had a lot of controversial zones with the British - the same straits, Persia, Pamir, Kashgaria, Dzungaria and Mongolia.

In the economic sphere, Russia and Germany had solid points of contact and common interests. To conclude a trade agreement with Germany that was quite acceptable for Russia, it was not necessary to tear each other's throats. It was quite enough to establish good-neighborly relations, thoughtfully weigh the common economic interests. Russia needed Germany’s technology, including the military. The military defeat of Germany and the degradation of its economy were beneficial only to Britain and France. England was beneficial to kill the German maritime trade and industry. France dreamed of crushing German industry and, if possible, dismembering Germany, turning it into a poor agricultural region. For Russia, the catastrophic weakening of Germany was not profitable, as it repeatedly strengthened the Western bloc of powers - France, England and the USA. The competition between England and Germany was beneficial to us, as was the open domestic market of the German Empire.

Russia also benefited from German colonization, the development and emergence of new German colonies, as this turned Drang nach Osten into an area of ​​historical memories. In addition, as shown by historical experience, the vast Russian Empire would not have suffered even with the appearance of thousands of new German colonists. Very quickly they would become “Russian Germans”, as it happened with the Germans in the Volga region and in the Baltic States, and would faithfully serve their new homeland.

It is also worth noting that national (rather than international) German capital was needed by Russia to modernize the economy. German capital is more profitable for us than any other. German capital is the cheapest of all, as content with the lowest percentage of profits. In addition, German capitalists often moved to Russia (unlike the British and the British), took root and a significant part of the capital remained in the country. Other foreigners tried to withdraw everything from Russia to the last penny.

Unlike most politicians and military, who promised a “easy walk” and spoke of a quick war, Durnovo noted that “the struggle against Germany presents enormous difficulties for us and will require innumerable victims. The war will not take the enemy by surprise, and the degree of his readiness will probably exceed our most exaggerated expectations. ”

Durnovo quite correctly predicted: “The main burden of the war will undoubtedly fall to our lot, since England is hardly capable of taking a wide part in the continental war, and France, poor in human material, with the enormous losses that will accompany the war under modern conditions military equipment is likely to follow strictly defensive tactics. The role of the battering ram, piercing through the thickest German defense, we will get ... " The right-wing activist clearly noted that the war would lead to complications in Persia, in the Caucasus, in Turkestan, "very unpleasant complications should be foreseen in Poland and Finland." Durnovo predicted that we could not keep Poland during the war. And when she finds herself in the grip of her opponents, she is immediately used against us (everything just happened).

Durnovo directly said that Russia is not ready for war. Military stocks are few, as the productivity of factories is weak. Durnovo predicts that “in the rudimentary state of our industry, during the war we will not be able to fill in the gaps that have been discovered ...”. And with the blockade of the Black and Baltic Seas, the situation will worsen even more. Another unfavorable factor for our defense is excessive dependence on foreign industry. The army lacks heavy guns, machine guns, the equipment of fortresses is not completed. The network of strategic railways is not developed, rolling stock for wartime conditions is not enough.

The war will lead to huge financial expenses. As a result, you will have to get even more into external financial bondage. In the event of a loss, the financial and economic consequences are incalculable and will lead to the complete collapse of the national economy. However, the victory does not promise special benefits. Ruined and destroyed Germany will not be able to pay reparations (so be it). Britain and France will do everything to oust Russia from dividing the skins of dead German bears (Germany and Austria). This will not allow us to cover our military expenses. And meanwhile, loans will have to pay. Moreover, on the Straits issue, England and France can create an anti-Russian coalition. As a result, Russia will fall into such financial and economic bondage, "compared to which our present dependence on German capital will seem ideal."

Durnovo rightly pointed out that the all-European war, regardless of its outcome, is "a mortal danger for both Russia and Germany", as it will lead to a social revolution. Defeat is especially dangerous, then "a social revolution, in its most extreme manifestations, is inevitable here." A demoralized army that lost its most reliable cadre during the war and is embraced by a spontaneous peasant desire for peace and land cannot serve as a bulwark of law and order. Legislative institutions and oppositional-intellectual parties (liberal democrats) deprived of real authority in the eyes of the people, who themselves will raise a popular wave, cannot control the situation. Anarchy will overwhelm the country. Germany will be in a similar situation.

Thus, Germany and Russia will be destroyed, and all the benefits will be received by geopolitical opponents of Russia and Germany — Britain and France, as well as the United States that joined them later.

Stolypin and Rasputin adhered to a similar position, until the last time they tried to keep the Tsarist regime from war. However, Stolypin was eliminated in 1911. Masonic circles working to the West stood behind the killer. And at the most dangerous moment, when another extremely dangerous political provocation was launched in Europe, Rasputin was "turned off the game." 29 June (12 July) 1914 was attempted on Rasputin in the village of Pokrovsky. For treatment, he was transferred to 17 August in Tyumen, isolated from the king. No one else could save Russia from a catastrophe. To prevent Rasputin from conducting a combination with a separate world with Germany, which saved the autocracy, he was eliminated on the night of December 17. The most active role in the conspiracy took British intelligence. In fact, Russian high-ranking conspirators played the role of a cover. The order to kill Rasputin came from the outside, from the highest level.

The myth that the Bolsheviks destroyed tsarist Russia

1908 year. Tsarskoe Selo. Rasputin with the empress, five children and a governess

To be continued ...
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  1. -38
    3 March 2015 05: 10
    Well, Lenin and Co. were late and arrived at the heading analysis.
    What did not stop them, while the cheese is boron confusion, to do their dirty work and raise a putsch, which went down in history as the "great October revolution"
    Who knows how our history developed if it had only one February, bourgeois ...
    1. +40
      3 March 2015 06: 52
      Quote: Gans1234

      Who knows how our history developed if it had only one February, bourgeois ...

      It would be the same as now in Ukraine. The "sponsors" were the same.
      1. +6
        3 March 2015 09: 26
        it should also be noted here that if Nicholas 2 had not got involved in World War I (which was organized specifically for this), there would have been no impoverishment of the State and there would have been no revolution! The same tasks are the events in Ukraine today, to draw all of Russia into it! As for me, Lenin was a part of the Western plan, he knowingly destroyed the Orthodox Church, she united the fraternal peoples and they had to separate Tsarist Russia. It was Stalin, who understood this, resumed the church in order to rally the fraternal peoples.
        1. +1
          3 March 2015 10: 18
          YaRS (1
          You have a clear mess in your head ... well, why doesn’t the STALIN picture work out for you, is it a student and follower of LENIN?
          NOT TROTSKY, Lenin was elected to the positions that decide something, but Stalin, not Trotsky was entrusted with deciding the issues on which the life of the country depended, but Stalin, and you all mumble in three pines, in exact accordance with Khrushchev’s harlot, they say Lenin is one thing, Stalin it’s different, repeating the myths of the Trotskyite rabble ...
          1. -5
            3 March 2015 10: 33
            Quote: vladkavkaz
            YaRS (1
            You have a clear mess in your head ... well, why doesn’t the STALIN picture work out for you, is it a student and follower of LENIN?
            NOT TROTSKY, Lenin was elected to the positions that decide something, but Stalin, not Trotsky was entrusted with deciding the issues on which the life of the country depended, but Stalin, and you all mumble in three pines, in exact accordance with Khrushchev’s harlot, they say Lenin is one thing, Stalin it’s different, repeating the myths of the Trotskyite rabble ...


            And where is Stalin interested in continuing Lenin’s policies? Lenin's faithful successor was Khrushchev.
            1. +20
              3 March 2015 11: 25
              Shornikov
              And you, with your head a mess, for the follower of the ideas of Trotsky, was Khrushchev, and Stalin, the heir and successor of the cause of Lenin.
              Learn material, amiable, and do not repeat the tales of liberals and Yakovlevsky agiprop, times 90.
              "That this" Marxist "" plan "of the Mensheviks, utopian for Russian conditions, presupposes, nevertheless, extensive propaganda work aimed at belittling the idea of ​​partyism, destroying party cadres, leaving the proletariat without its own party and giving up the working class to be devoured liberals - the Mensheviks hardly knew about this then, and, perhaps, many of the Bolsheviks.

              Lenin's greatest service to the Russian proletariat and its party lies in the fact that he exposed the entire danger of the Menshevik organizational "plan" even at the moment when the "plan" was barely conceived, when the authors of the "plan" themselves could hardly imagine its outlines clearly, and having opened it, he opened a frenzied attack against the organizational licentiousness of the Mensheviks, concentrating all the attention of practitioners on this issue. For it was about the existence of the party, about the life and death of the party.

              Establish an all-Russian political newspaper as a center for gathering party forces, organize persistent party cadres in the localities as "regular units" of the party, gather these cadres together through a newspaper and rally them into an all-Russian militant party with sharply defined borders, with a clear program, firm tactics, with a united will — this is the plan that Lenin developed in his famous books: "What is to be done?", "One step forward, two back" 3. The merit of this plan was that it fully corresponded to Russian reality and skillfully generalized the organizational experience of the best practitioners. In the struggle for this plan, the majority of Russian practitioners resolutely followed Lenin, not stopping at a split. The victory of this plan laid the foundation for that united and hardened Communist Party, the equal of which the world does not know. "I. STALIN.
              1. +2
                3 March 2015 16: 23
                Hmm - you are a strange right person - why I.V. was to spoil relations with the past government?
              2. +1
                4 March 2015 10: 33
                Quote: vladkavkaz
                And you, with your head a mess, for the follower of the ideas of Trotsky, was Khrushchev, and Stalin, the heir and successor of the cause of Lenin.

                Well, yes, of course, a mess. Please open your eyes, who created the NEP (liberal bourgeois manifestation of the economy) in a ruined country? Really Trotsky?
                The NEP was based on the ideas of V. I. Lenin, discussions on the theory of reproduction and money, the principles of pricing, finance and credit.
                So as not to have attributed Trotskyism to me, I immediately say that a negative attitude towards the avenue was formed back in school, and since then has only grown stronger.
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              3 March 2015 16: 18
              Quote: Shornikov
              Quote: vladkavkaz
              ...


              And where is Stalin interested in continuing Lenin’s policies? Lenin's faithful successor was Khrushchev.

              The correct remark - and there is no need to look for heroes here - IV Stalin - we respect, honor and remember - a heroic person ...
              Ulyanov: 1) a separate unfinished peace with Germany (when it was already in the balance of losing); 2) the reparations of the losing Germany in the form of gold - the poor people of the empire ... for which I bent over; 3) Trotsky - a great personality - under the guise of Ulyanov (and maybe at the direction of who knows) he managed to let cars with gold go abroad; 4) freedom for everyone and everything - an example - Finland, etc. - the division of territories is not in Russia's favor; 5) simply a barbaric attitude to history (how many priceless monuments were destroyed - are the reformers); 6) inhumanity to the same king - to shoot, set fire, throw into the cave ...; 7) drunk - but one rag was dismissed - as it is now in Ukraine; 8) poor working people (for example, my great-grandfather) - just for 1-2 cows were ranked among the bourgeoisie and exiled; 9) here you can paint for a long time ...
              Yes - there were miscalculations with the Tsar’s government — where would it be without them — not one government can completely please the people ... But then foreign money came into play ... again traitors. there were traitors in the government of the Tsar too — that’s the root — all these industrialists — pulled the strap on themselves — in vain the king dismissed them like that — and then they quarreled among themselves (the interim government) and lost almost to the external threat. Everything is stupid - venal ...
              1. -1
                3 March 2015 16: 39
                A less adequate comment compared to this hell is something going on)
                I do not quite agree with you, but there are sound thoughts. Especially liked
                "8) poor working people (for example, my great-grandfather) - just for 1-2 cows they were counted among the bourgeoisie and exiled;" Familiar to my family, by the way. It's just that the comrades that Bronstein and the syphilitic are protecting, they themselves would have fallen into the category of bourgeois at that time, it would be funny to see. I suppose they themselves have an apartment that is not bad and not one refrigerator, or maybe a house in the countryside, ayy comrades peasants, it’s impossible, we urgently need to instill drunkards and lazy people in our house, and sleep in the corridor, for the benefit of society, or even invest for free on construction sites, and does not want to be shot so.
                So I would look at them laughing good
                1. +2
                  3 March 2015 17: 08
                  Quote: Landser93
                  ayy comrades peasants, you can’t do this, you must urgently instill drunkards and lazy people in your house, and sleep in the corridor yourself, to the benefit of society, or even invest free of charge at construction sites, and do not want to be shot like this.

                  In the right decision.))
              2. +2
                3 March 2015 17: 05
                Quote: rrrj
                Everything is stupid - venal ...

                Only set cons are strong - there are no reasons. Objectively, guys need to look at history - you cannot see only one point of view - this is stupid.
                1. +3
                  3 March 2015 17: 34
                  RrrJ (1)
                  Do you have arguments ?? WHERE?
                  In questions, what are the cons?
                  So this is not an argument, but a powerless cry of a person who does not understand what stupidity flings.
                  You are not one of those who have thought of doing this since childhood?
                  I would also understand this liberal bydlo who does this in the country
                  http://maxpark.com/community/5652/content/3326627
                  For me, all this freedom, NGOs and their ilk who is promoting this in the education system, can be locked up for 25 years on a separate island, without the right to communicate with the outside world and the opportunity to get out of there.
                  And then see the result of the experiment, who is in their superiors, who is in prostitutes, and who just ate.

                  YOU SHOW this, do not you, if you are moaning here about the crunch of French rolls and more?

                  I didn’t find anything like that between Lenin or Stalin, I didn’t find such innovations anywhere in the division of castes from infancy, but it’s just the same for you like that.
                  1. +4
                    3 March 2015 17: 51
                    I don’t have a word about modern liberalism - I have the same opinion as you. I would write about this - yes, the words hurt rudely come out ... even reluctant to discuss. Scoundrels are liars, only in your pocket is everything.
                    And my arguments are clear as three rubles - note - I am not against the Soviet regime at the time of I.V. Stalin (yes there were excesses - but war, etc. - there is nothing to be done) - I was about praising the hero Ulyanov - it was Stalin who began to put Russia on legs!
                    1. +3
                      3 March 2015 18: 09
                      RrrJ (1) KZ
                      Once again, educational program for those who do not understand.
                      Stalin would not have been possible without Lenin.
                      This is a historical fact, which is confirmed by Joseph Vissarionovich.
                      Nowhere, you will not find a single dirty word, publication, or anything like that, emanating precisely from Stalin to Lenin, with the exception of myths of the liberal and democratic so-called learned public such as Svanidzey, Brewery and other Piontkovsky.
                      "In our time of the proletarian revolution, when every slogan of the party and every phrase of the leader is tested in practice, the proletariat makes special demands on its leaders. History knows proletarian leaders, leaders of a turbulent time, practical leaders, selfless and courageous, but weak in theory. The masses are not the names of such leaders are soon forgotten, such as Lassalle in Germany, Blanqui in France, but the movement as a whole cannot live on mere memories: it needs a clear goal (program), a firm line (tactics).

                      There are other leaders, leaders of peacetime, strong in theory, but weak in the affairs of organizations and practical work. Such leaders are popular only in the upper layer of the proletariat, and only then until a certain time; with the onset of the revolutionary era, when revolutionary practical slogans are required of leaders, theorists leave the stage, giving way to new people.

                      Such, for example, Plekhanov in Russia. Kautsky in Germany.

                      In order to retain the post of leader of the proletarian revolution and the proletarian party, it is necessary to combine theoretical power with the practical organizational experience of the proletarian movement. P. Axelrod, when he was a Marxist, wrote about Lenin that he "happily combines the experience of a good practitioner with theoretical education and a broad political outlook" (see P. Axelrod's foreword to Lenin's pamphlet: "The Tasks of Russian Social-Democrats") fifteen. What would I say now about Comrade Lenin's ideologue of "cultural" capitalism, Mr. Axelrod, is not difficult to guess. But for us, who know Lenin intimately and are able to look at things objectively, there is no doubt that this old quality has been fully preserved in Lenin. In this, by the way, one must look for an explanation of the fact that Lenin, and it is he, is now the leader of the strongest and most seasoned proletarian party in the world. "

                      "Pravda" N 86, April 1920 I. Stalin.
                      1. +3
                        3 March 2015 18: 20
                        Quote: vladkavkaz
                        Once again, educational program for those who do not understand.
                        Stalin would not have been possible without Lenin.

                        No - well, who argues with that? I argue about praising Ulyanov’s heroic deeds - there were few of them - many were drowned in blood.
                      2. bombardir
                        +5
                        3 March 2015 19: 53
                        Quote: rrrj
                        I argue about praising Ulyanov’s heroic deeds - there were few of them - many were drowned in blood.
                        "Lenin was such a man whose left little finger we don't stand for, a man who was all forged from stainless steel."
                        I.V. Stalin. Speech at the reception in the Grand Kremlin Palace 20.01.38/XNUMX/XNUMX

                        “It turns out that I have a teaching about communism, as if Lenin, you see, spoke only about socialism and did not say anything about communism. And I, you see, said about communism. Further, as if I have a teaching about the industrialization of the country, oh the collectivization of agriculture, etc., etc. In fact, it is Lenin who is credited with raising the question of the industrialization of our country, and also regarding the question of the collectivization of agriculture, etc. ...
                        ... Nowhere is it clear that I am a student of Lenin. Not understood ... But only somewhere dullly mentioned. In fact, I considered and still consider myself a student of Lenin. I said this clearly in a well-known conversation with Ludwig ... I am a student of Lenin, Lenin taught me, and not vice versa. No one can say that I am not a student of Lenin. He paved the way, and we are going along this beaten path "
                        From a conversation with the group of authors who were preparing the book "Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin. A Brief Biography" 23.11.46/XNUMX/XNUMX
                      3. +2
                        3 March 2015 23: 14
                        Quote: rrrj
                        Quote: vladkavkaz
                        Once again, educational program for those who do not understand.
                        Stalin would not have been possible without Lenin.

                        No - well, who argues with that? I argue about praising Ulyanov’s heroic deeds - there were few of them - many were drowned in blood.

                        And you try to live life in such a way that by the age of 50 you will fulfill the goal of life, change practically the life principles on the whole planet, build a new type of state on 1/6 of the land, write a collection of works personally and without referents, speak at countless rallies, congresses, gatherings, ... become the most famous and uncompromising character in the world.

                        Already listed, without the success of the country he created. makes V.I. Ulyanova (Lenin) GREAT MAN AND CITIZEN.

                        As for the mistakes, everyone made them.

                        Anticommunists please do not worry to write answers. First, calculate the real demographic losses of our people for 1990 - 2010. In terms of population, Russia has shrunk so much over these years that this is a real unprecedented demographic catastrophe.

                        That demography is an indicator of the quality of the state.
                        Happy and right people will definitely have families and children ...
                        And under V.I. Lenin and I.V. Stalin with this matter, our peoples had a complete order.
                    2. +2
                      3 March 2015 18: 15
                      RrrJ (1
                      Regarding the death of Lenin

                      at the II Congress of Soviets
                      January 26, 1924

                      Comrades! We Communists are people of a special warehouse. We are tailored from special material. We are the ones who make up the army of the great proletarian strategist, the army of the call. Lenin. There is nothing higher than the honor of belonging to this army. There is nothing higher than the title of party member, whose founder and leader is Comrade. Lenin. Not everyone is allowed to be a member of such a party. Not everyone is able to withstand the hardships and storms associated with membership in such a party. The sons of the working class, the sons of need and struggle, the sons of incredible hardships and heroic efforts — that is who, first of all, should be members of such a party. That is why the party of Leninists, the party of communists, is at the same time called the party of the working class.

                      Departing from us, Comrade Lenin bequeathed to us to keep high and keep clean the great rank of party member. We swear to you, comrade Lenin, that we will honor this commandment with honor!

                      For 25 years, Comrade Lenin fostered our party and fostered it as the most powerful and hardened workers' party in the world. The blows of tsarism and its guardsmen, the fury of the bourgeoisie and landlords, the armed attacks of Kolchak and Denikin, the armed intervention of England and France, the lies and slander of the stoic bourgeois press — all these scorpions invariably fell on the head of our party for a quarter century. But our party stood like a cliff, reflecting the countless blows of enemies and leading the working class forward to victory. In fierce battles, our party forged the unity and unity of its ranks. By unity and solidarity she achieved victory over the enemies of the working class.

                      Departing from us, comrade Lenin bequeathed to us to preserve the unity of our party, like the apple of an eye. We swear to you, comrade Lenin, that we will honor this commandment with honor!
                      I. STALIN.
                      And now, try to answer your own question, why, the Trotsky on the one hand, are hiding behind the name of Lenin, on the other hand, trying to push him out by bringing their Bronstein-Trotsky to the fore, cursing Stalin? Trotsky did not allow himself to be at the funeral of Lenin.
                      On the other hand, the whole pro-Western army of liberals, anti-communists and others .... also yells against Stalin, trying to oppose it to Lenin? And the calculation is simple, like three notorious rubles, the calculation for such simpletons like you, who do not understand that Lenin and Stalin, the essence of ONE, the party created by Lenin, the key to success of Stalin and the country. Therefore, they are beaten by these two unique rulers of the country of that era.
                      1. +1
                        3 March 2015 18: 18
                        Clearly, the minuser swallowed his tongue out of chagrin ... Well, argue with Stalin himself, where so ... you have to minus and quietly quietly leave, from the impossibility of at least saying something.
                      2. +1
                        3 March 2015 18: 30
                        Quote: vladkavkaz
                        minus and quietly retire quietly

                        Who are you talking about? I put only one minus - and then not for you - but below - for an insult to the honor of I.V. Stalin - that was too much ...
                        And your arguments are one-sided - with which I do not argue. I repeat once again - I am against praising the personality of Ulyanov - yes, he was the support of I.V. - to establish myself in power - I would also act.
                      3. +2
                        3 March 2015 19: 08
                        RrrJ (1)
                        Lenin and Stalin are the two greatest historical figures that have ever existed on Earth. Lenin and Stalin are like-minded people who were in a relationship between teacher and student, the most talented and best of all, brilliantly continuing the work bequeathed to him by the teacher. Lenin and Stalin are absolute world geniuses, people who swore allegiance once and are infinitely devoted to one great goal - communism. And we are not talking about some kind of re-idealization - only about their real, actual merits to history and humanity.

                        The first stage of the contrast

                        It would seem that everything is simple: here are two people, here is what they did. This is what, historians, political and ideological opponents have done, so to speak, and they have done so in our country over the past 25 years. These are completely obvious facts: Lenin himself appointed Stalin the leader of the USSR after himself, and Stalin always emphasized the absolute priority of Lenin, carefully observing that no one dared to put him, Stalin, above his teacher.

                        However, today in the minds of many citizens with historical facts, everything is not so simple. Consciousness is far from being cleared of perestroika and post-perestroika garbage, which not only supplanted the facts, but whose volume turned out to be so great that it almost overlaps the volumes of historical truth. Yes, a huge number of citizens today already recognize Soviet values, recognize the greatness of the Soviet period, for many, the perestroika lie is already obvious precisely as a lie. And at the same time, in a situation where the real story is almost extinct from memory, many elements of the lie turned out to be extremely tenacious, despite the egregious savagery, absurdity and sometimes even despite the absence of any factual foundation, even falsified.

                        One of these elements, more correctly, of the information-psychological and propaganda war against our people is the opposition of Lenin and Stalin.
                      4. 0
                        3 March 2015 19: 10
                        Apparently Trotsky was one of the first to oppose Stalin to Lenin, which was dictated by the logic of his personal struggle against Stalin. Well, the official and pompous presentation of this topic should be considered the infamous report of Khrushchev at the XX Congress. I recall the phrase A.A. Wasserman: “I don’t know if I can ever find at least one public action of Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev that would not entail long-term, unacceptable consequences for the country.”

                        The wedge driven by Khrushchev out of the blue into a bunch of Lenin-Stalin was immediately taken into work, by his own admission, A.N. Yakovlev associates. In Perestroika, this contrast began to play with all the colors that sophisticatedly-hating minds of special propagandists and dissident elements of all stripes could invent.

                        This first stage was built on elementary stupidity, completely inconsistent with all historical facts: Stalin distorted Lenin's ideas. Say, if it were not for Stalin with his rudeness and cruelty, then Lenin would have done everything well, and in general "everything would have turned out differently." Either collectivization was carried out differently, or did not begin to carry out it at all, or the NEP did not cancel it — this already varied depending on the views of a particular perestroika publicist at a particular stage of Perestroika. Perhaps, in those years, one thing was unchanged - under Lenin there would have been no repression, and Lenin would not have done this with Trotsky, Bukharin, Zinoviev, Tukhachevsky and others.

                        We give a small quote from the book of F.I. Chueva "140 conversations with Molotov." To the question of who was more severe, Lenin or Stalin, Molotov answered:

                        “Of course, Lenin. He was strict. Some things are stricter than Stalin. Read his notes to Dzerzhinsky. He often resorted to the most extreme measures when it was necessary. The Tambov uprising ordered to crush, burn everything. I was just in discussion. He would not tolerate any opposition if he had such an opportunity. I remember how he reproached Stalin for softness and liberalism. “What is our dictatorship? We have kissel power, not dictatorship! ”
                      5. +3
                        3 March 2015 19: 10
                        At the beginning of Perestroika, an over-simplified and idiotic construction was suggested: Lenin was good because he made a revolution, because he was wise, kind, fair and the like, and Stalin was a bloody dictator, a cruel tyrant, and if he did something, then everything was done by him in a completely unfavorable way and with unjustifiably large sacrifices, which Lenin would never have allowed.

                        Actually, the concept of a propaganda war, which was built on this opposition, was voiced by Yakovlev:

                        “After the Twentieth Congress in an ultra-narrow circle of our closest friends and associates, we often discussed the problems of democratization of the country and society. (...) A group of true, not imaginary reformers, developed (of course, verbally) the following plan: to strike at Stalin, at Stalinism, with the authority of Lenin. And if successful, Plekhanov and Social Democracy beat Lenin, liberalism and "moral socialism" - revolutionism in general. "

                        It was according to this scheme that perestroika propaganda worked. The final goal was achieved - the USSR is no more.

                        The second (modern) stage of opposition

                        In recent years, this topic has intensified again in an unexpected, at first glance, vein. The central message that is often found today in a conservative-patriotic environment can be formulated approximately like this: Lenin is an atheist internationalist who wanted to defeat his country, did not understand the significance and value of Russia, and ultimately a German spy (a separate "thanks" to the leaders of the left parties who rushed to Bolotnaya, thereby increasing the informational and propaganda potential of the theme “Lenin is a German spy”), but Stalin is quite another. Stalin is a patriot, a red monarch, a regenerator of spirituality (already despite the blown up Cathedral of Christ the Savior) and sovereignty, who cleaned up the country with an iron hand and raised the country's authority in the world highly. That is, special propaganda in opposition to Lenin and Stalin changed signs! Lenin is bad: he is not a patriot and revolutionary. Stalin is good: he is a patriot and not a revolutionary. Lenin destroyed the great empire, Stalin revived the great empire.

                        What is the true meaning of launching this concept? Now it’s becoming quite obvious: the combination of communism (which at this stage of opposition seems to embody just like Lenin) and the deep Russian, Orthodox, Catholic, imperial tradition (which represents like just Stalin) is the main ideological and worldview danger for our enemies.
                      6. +1
                        3 March 2015 19: 13
                        Firstly, a wedge is being driven into the history of Russian communism, we will repeat, out of the blue. Here the concept itself is disavowed, the very phenomenon of Russian communism or Russian Bolshevism. The imperial Stalin was opposed to the Bolshevik Lenin, which implies that a strong Russian empire cannot exist in a communist mode. Either sovereignty or the construction of communism. Either Russia or communism. Or either.

                        Secondly, in the minds of citizens they are increasing chaos. For such a contrast "Lenin vs. Stalin ”is a natural nonsense that cannot be accepted without additional deformations of historical consciousness. Which, in turn, activates other destructive processes in the mind: it is impossible to believe in the same nonsense, to leave your other ideas about the world safe and sound: a person’s consciousness is complex, and if logic and common sense begin to be destroyed in one question, then this is mandatory will be reflected in other views of the individual.

                        Thirdly, an attempt is again being made to tear up Russian history itself, and in that part which is inextricable by definition: are you talking about the unity of Russian history, about the unity of the pre-revolutionary and Soviet periods ?! Completeness! Even Lenin and Stalin do not join you! Not to mention the rest. Russian history is being sprayed.

                        NOW, at least something is clear to you? He who has eyes, reads, who has a mind, understands that the anti-Soviet and Russophobe can not do this, if only because his task is precisely to be gullible and incapable of finding answers to such questions, believed in a word ..
                      7. 0
                        3 March 2015 19: 13
                        Another term that determines the survivability of the theme “Lenin vs. Stalin, ”consists in the fact that today people who anticipate misfortune, being in a value-semantic vacuum, are trying to find some way out for themselves. Deceived, disappointed, at the same time being under the yoke of their own apostasy, people can no longer look towards the USSR. But to admit in full what happened to you personally in 1991, why you personally believed the perestroika-democrats, what really motivated you, what you personally dreamed of getting in return - this means either a colossal spiritual transformation, or a complete moral breakdown. The result is a painful process of gradual recognition of Soviet greatness and Soviet truth, phased recognition, the return of elements of Soviet history and ideology. And here in the center of attention of many is the Victory in the Great Patriotic War.

                        It can be said that the Victory was thrown out least of all in the mud of perestroika. We emphasize: not the war, not the course of the war, not the events of those years, but only the very fact of Victory. There was a victory. This, reluctantly black heart, the liberals recognize. We still did not get accustomed to the version according to which the Germans defeated the Nazis. Then the liberals roar and moan that there were huge sacrifices, that they “threw corpses”, that they defeated in spite of Stalin and thanks to Hitler’s stupidity, that maybe everything was in vain and so on and so forth. But there was a victory. And for this fact, consciousness begins to cling.

                        Moreover, how this was achieved by the Soviet people, how the rear was organized, how they fought on the fronts, etc., few ordinary people today can intelligently tell, because, again, the factology has been erased from memory. One thing is known - in that war we all defeated, and this warms the soul. But this fact is connected with Stalin. And then begins a specific reappraisal of perestroika myths regarding Stalin. Stalin organized the repression? So it’s like he only cleaned the elite (which, incidentally, is not far from the truth). And if so, look at our modern elite: it only deserves it! As Wasserman said, the more the current elite says that the Stalinist achievements were possible only because a martyr sacrifice was made in the person of the then elite, the more people will want to sacrifice the current elite, since this gives such an effect . Under Stalin, we settled down in Europe - know ours! Under Stalin, we created an atomic bomb, and “dumb s” are still terribly afraid of us. And here the opposition with Lenin comes into play.
                      8. -1
                        3 March 2015 19: 51
                        Minusator, do you show that face, or there is nothing to cover, for it is said precisely about your most infamous activity?
                        There are only two of you here, actively chatting nonsense, which dare?
                      9. +1
                        3 March 2015 20: 20
                        Not me - I already wrote - that only once minusanul ... And that is, for what.
                      10. -2
                        3 March 2015 23: 46
                        nonsense? it's like for anyone! And for many here your speculation is also nonsense! Have you decided that your opinion is the most correct and correct ?! So please! Do not impose it on others!
                      11. +2
                        3 March 2015 23: 52
                        YaRS (1
                        Do not hysteria.
                        There is no truth behind you, stupidity is rampant, hysteria is available, but TRUTH is not.
                        Concluding the conversation about Lenin and Stalin, I want to say again about what is the most important thing from the point of view of uniting them?

                        1. Absolute ideological and ideological unity of views. It must be clearly understood that these people, like Molotov, Sverdlov, Dzerzhinsky, Frunze, and Kaganovich, thought in terms of the world revolution and the final victory of communism. The “roll” of Stalinist politics towards sovereignty and statehood had exactly the same goal and began under Lenin. The Western proletariat did not support the 1917 revolution at home, as the Bolsheviks had expected. And the Russian people showed their deep revolutionism; it turned out that the communist idea is consonant, first of all, with the Russian soul and the Russian spirit. Therefore, there was only one thing - to build up the power of the USSR, setting an example to others. Not a simultaneous (or almost simultaneous) revolution in all countries, but a gradual transition of country after country into the socialist camp, building up and strengthening the world socialist system. By the way, the world socialist system existed strictly with reliance on the USSR. And actually with a center in Moscow. Khrushchev and Mikoyan pushed China away, Tito withdrew himself, but in general the USSR had an absolute influence on most of the socialist countries. By the way, all the talk that the USSR "feeds" the countries of the 3rd world in vain is stupid and wrecking talk, because by doing this we took away colonies from the West, deprived the western capitalists of colonial bonuses, and locked them at home - one on alone with his people.

                        2. From the point of view of the political struggle, Lenin and Stalin were always on one side of the barricades. They were opposed by Trotsky with the left, Bukharin with the right, and so on. For many years, the vote in the Politburo was not in favor of Lenin and Stalin, who always acted as a united front. By the way, it was the victory of the anti-Leninist-anti-Stalinist forces, refracted in the prism of the Leningrad affair and the Andropov modernization, that led to Perestroika. These forces are extremely similar. And on the question that the time of socialism in the West has not yet come, which means that we must give up. And on the issue of reliance on foreign powers in their political struggle. And on the issue of private property. And on the issue of reliance on the small proprietor, on the kulak, essentially - on the exploiting class. By the way, the question of the kulaks, with their cruelty and money-grubbing, is directly related to the issues of metaphysics and spiritual growth. If a person accepts the need for spiritual ascent, then the exploitation of man by man is impossible. If not, it will reappear even, it would seem, from scratch. Which, in fact, happened.
                        And Bronstein-Trotsky, a place in Russia-NO.
                      12. -4
                        4 March 2015 00: 18
                        yes hysterics here along the way with you! Stalin is a hero and Lenin is a tyrant who has drenched the country in blood! It's my personal opinion! Now minus how much you like! And stop constantly copying and pasting your texts to this resource! -> http://eot-nsk.livejournal.com/131590.html#cutid1
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                      14. +1
                        8 March 2015 04: 27
                        Criminal opinion you have here. So how do you support the Jewish October Revolution! Although if you figure out you do not have a personal opinion! All texts are copied and pasted! Your relatives will be advised to go to hell and how much!
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                        nvv
                        0
                        8 March 2015 04: 55
                        Well, it’s like normal men, but you’re acting like ....
                        Everyone has their own truth, unite, learn the truth.
                  2. +1
                    3 March 2015 23: 05
                    Stalin was the same participant in the October Revolution as part of the RCP (B.), Like Lenin. Those leaders had the will and courage to present people with deeds, and not empty words and promises. The Bolsheviks went to victory - and won! The old regime was so disgusting to everyone that neither the nobles, nor the white movement, nor the Entente intervention saved him. The moral is simple - a smart government never brings people to such a desperate state when they have no choice but to rebel! Or, nevertheless, the poet K. Ryleev is right in saying: “But where, tell me, when freedom was redeemed without sacrifices ?!” The people are by no means longing for revolution, destruction, and revenge. He is forced to do so by the rulers themselves. The people wanted to take revenge on centuries-old offenders. He had a right. But since many of them were dead long ago, he raised and shook their symbols, graves, monuments, relics, their names. But the blind brutality of the people is more understandable than the cynical and deliberate cruelty of the ruling elites. but is it better that the power of the elites legitimized by the right of the strong, the freedom of robbery and lawlessness is an everyday, many-year-old horror that all kinds of rulers, kings, presidents, parliamentarians, bankers, merchants condemned for thousands and thousands of years? And isn’t the rabid, sometimes bloody foam on the lips celebration of people's freedom a worthy and logical response to their deeds? And what do you expect from a people that has been kept under conditions worse than cattle for hundreds of years? What does he need all these art objects and curiosities? Could he read and watch them? Did he have such an opportunity then?
              3. -2
                3 March 2015 19: 52
                RrrJ (1)
                Absolute stupidity. The answer to why is given below.
          2. +2
            3 March 2015 22: 50
            in your head just you mess! You admire the Judean Lenin. TROTSKY WAS CHOSEN LENIN! AND TROTSKY WAS A BARE SUPPORTER OF THE BLOODY REVOLUTION. You'd better teach a normal story or at least listen to respected people:

            1. +3
              3 March 2015 22: 58
              YaRS (1) DE
              Why do I need this nonsense, when there are primary sources, from I. Stalin?
              Who is this Petrov that I would believe him? Nobody. A project on stupefying, nothing more.
              you like to listen to the nonsense of the sectarians, go ahead, but I don’t pop it.
              Here are two quotes from Stalin’s speech at the parade on November 7, 1941:

              “The spirit of the great Lenin and its victorious banner inspire us now in World War II just as it did 23 years ago.”

              “Let the courageous image of our great ancestors - Alexander Nevsky, Dimitry Donskoy, Kuzma Minin, Dimitry Pozharsky, Alexander Suvorov, Mikhail Kutuzov inspire you in this war! May the victorious banner of the great Lenin overshadow you! ”

              Not a departure from communism in favor of Russian nationalism, but a synthesis of communism and Russian history - that is what is most important in Stalinist ideology.

              But doesn’t this have Lenin? It was the attitude towards the Russian peasant that became the main innovation that Lenin introduced into Marxism, essentially recognizing the special role of the Russian people in the revolution. Both Lenin and Stalin were opposed by Trotsky. Here are a few quotes from the book “140 conversations with Molotov”.

              “It seemed to Trotsky that a way out of the situation was a bourgeois republic. Since we were not supported by the Western working class, and the union would not work out with the peasantry. Here is his main drawback. (...) But Lenin, in that was his strength, he managed to find an approach to the peasantry, criticized the petty-bourgeois essence of the peasantry, but he also saw its labor side. If we approach the laboring peasantry correctly, then it will support us. This is the theoretical innovation of Lenin in Marxism, and practically he turned out to be right. ”

              “Trotsky and his representative for economic affairs Pyatakov, and then Zinoviev (...) objected: what socialism is with the middle peasant? This is petty-bourgeois socialism. And Lenin said that we should carefully conduct business with the peasant, leisurely, taught: we need to maintain an alliance with the peasantry - this is the only way out of the situation. ”

              “Trotsky said that the socialist revolution is a workers' revolution. Any Marxist thinks so. Trotsky was not such a stupid man to present himself in an awkward manner. He says, they say, you all acknowledge that only the working class can build socialism. What is the role of the peasantry? If the peasant goes after the working class ... Yes, he cannot go, because for the most part he is petty-bourgeois! Therefore, we must pursue a course towards socialism insofar as the working class can support us. But since the peasantry, who does not understand socialism, stands in the way, we cannot win in such an environment otherwise than if we are supported in the West, they will actually start there, and we will follow them in the tail.

              It turns out that we have nowhere to go, we must give up. Because without the peasantry we cannot be defeated, and they are against socialism. And in the West there is no revolution.

              Lenin is right: it is impossible without peasants. (...) Lenin said very well about this, clearly, you will not dig in: we understand the alliance with the peasantry in the sense that the peasantry supports the dictatorship of the proletariat. To some extent, the middle peasant was then neutral. And the poor, Lenin believed, could go after the working class, its bulk. This is his strength. There is nothing to wait for the West. ”

              Given that the peasantry accounted for approximately 80% of the country's population, I would like to ask supporters of the version of “Lenin against the Russians”: are the peasants in Russia non-Russians?
              1. +1
                3 March 2015 23: 44
                Minusator, of course I understand that you have a hysteria, but don’t be shy to show it, blurt out some kind of stupidity again, I’ll immediately give you a response in response, about yours ... well, you understand what.
              2. 0
                4 March 2015 00: 05
                before you say "who is Petrov," first listen to at least a couple of lectures.
            2. +3
              3 March 2015 23: 56
              YaRS (DO NOT LIE, YaRS.
              Immediately after the collapse of the first anti-Soviet rebellion, Lenin declared: “We do not want a civil war ... We are against a civil war” [4]. And again: “We are reproached for using terror, but the terror used by the French revolutionaries who guillotined unarmed people, we do not use and, I hope, we will not use it” [5]. And subsequently, the Soviet government showed more than enough acts of humanism in relation to its opponents. Having on its side the support of the vast majority of the population, this government believed that, in accordance with the principles of democracy, the resisting minority should recognize the majority’s choice and not incite a civil war in the country. And she constantly reinforced this course with numerous acts of forgiveness of those who stopped fighting or at least declared it.

              The rebellious General Krasnov was only subjected to house arrest, and then released on an honest word so as not to raise his hand to the revolution. Where he later ended up and what he was doing is well known. They released the cadets who defended Zimny, and they, without breathing, raised an uprising on October 29 to open the way for Krasnov in the capital. Moscow junkers, who filled the streets of the city with blood, were not even arrested and, in accordance with the agreement, were released with the world at their place of residence. Soon, many of them appeared on the Don in the ranks of the Denikin Volunteer Army. Even one of the main culprits of the Moscow bloodshed was released the chairman of the “Committee for Public Security”, Social Revolutionary V.V. Rudnev, and a year later, in November 1918, he was already in Iasi (Romania) as part of the White Guard delegation along with P. N Milyukov tearfully begs the “allies” to urgently begin military intervention against the RSFSR. In November 1917, a conspiracy was opened, led by ardent Black Hundred V.M. Purishkevich. The evidence is there: he signed a letter to Kaledin, which said: “We are waiting for you here, General, and by the time you arrive we will come forward with all available forces” [6]. He defined the nature of the “speech” as follows: “We must start from the Smolny Institute and then go through all the barracks and factories, shooting the soldiers and workers by the masses” [7]. Purishkevich was arrested, but soon ... amnestied in connection with the holiday of May 1 (1918). A year later, he in the same Iasi agitates for military intervention, then he helps Denikin with all his might in the campaign to Moscow.

              The commander of the 5th Army, General V. G. Boldyrev, was convicted by the revolutionary tribunal of imprisonment for a ceasefire at the front, but under the same May amnesty was generously pardoned - and immediately rushed to the camp of the eastern counter-revolution. He joined the Ufa Directory, became commander in chief of its armed forces. General V.V. Marushevsky, the chief of the general staff, arrested for sabotage, so to speak, “on a large scale”, repented and wrote in his own hand: “I consider it necessary for the modern government to obey and execute its orders.” But, released from custody, he was not slow to move to Arkhangelsk captured by the interventionists and became the closest assistant to the White Guard General Miller. The Socialist Ministers of the Provisional Government, arrested at the Winter Palace, were released N. A. Gvozdev, A. M. Nikitin, and S. L. Maslov, but they did not appreciate the magnanimity of the new government. Soon, the first two were in the White Guard camp, and as the leaders of the cooperation of the South of Russia acted as, so to speak, contingent quartermasters of the Denikin army. By March 1918, all activists of the sabotage “Union of Unions of Servants of State Institutions” headed by its chairman were released from custody, again under “parole”. And similar examples - there are no numbers.

              Such is the truth which the present denunciators of the Bolsheviks prefer to hide.
              1. 0
                4 March 2015 10: 12
                what's the point of discussing something with a person who does not use his texts in the comments! Do you even read them yourself? Liar just you here! Today's events in Ukraine are the work of the same structures that were behind Lenin then and all this is planned to be dragged over to Russia. Not really that basic things are not clear ?!
                1. +1
                  4 March 2015 20: 08
                  YaRS (1
                  You are this obvious nonsense, you yourself came up with, or who thought of it?
                  The events in Ukraine have nothing to do with Lenin, but they have absolute identity with the events in GERMANY before Hitler came to power.
                  Just, finally, Putin at the Ministry of Internal Affairs said-NATIONALISTS of all stripes in RUSSIA will not go.
        2. 0
          3 March 2015 13: 24
          then there would be no impoverishment of the State


          That’s for sure, the state would not have been impoverished, and the people in poverty would have been bent, under the crunch of French rolls.

          and there would be no revolution!


          is also true, at least before the advent of soft power. But for Maidan technologies, a beggar nation with a fattening elite and a virtual absence of a middle class is a tidbit.
          1. +1
            3 March 2015 16: 26
            Quote: alicante11
            That’s for sure, the state would not have been impoverished, and the people in poverty would have been bent, under the crunch of French rolls.

            What kind of people? Are you drunk? How on the Maidan?
            My great-grandfather - had his own farm - 2 cows - lived - lived - didn’t eat French rolls - but he didn’t complain about life - he worked because - he did not scream and waved his hands like some.
            1. -7
              3 March 2015 16: 42
              Carefully, they will be bombed now, it seems to me if they could they would have shot us long ago, like their idols of n nationality from the Cheka.
              By the way, can I ask what happened to my great-grandfather? Survived the Red Hell?
              1. +3
                3 March 2015 17: 11
                Quote: Landser93
                By the way, can I ask what happened to my great-grandfather? Survived the Red Hell?

                Yes, he survived - he was working - he was exiled to Kazakhstan with the whole family - they were unloaded in the steppe - live as you want - they said.
                1. +1
                  3 March 2015 17: 15
                  Still lucky, but if the one who made the decision on the criminal case, there were some comrades here on the forum, there would be trouble. Ok God is with them, they want some God with the Bolsheviks am
                  I apologize for the personal question. smile
                  1. +3
                    3 March 2015 17: 31
                    Quote: Landser93
                    Ok God is with them, they want some God with the Bolsheviks
                    I apologize for the personal question.

                    It's okay...
                    And especially for members of the forum: Guys - and where were you with your slogans - when the greatest country called the USSR was ruined? It was necessary to pickets, demonstrations, etc. - so no - they wanted to see democracy - and now what - did they come down?
                    + You know that - even a cold in the ass just doesn’t come out - you need to help this matter ... For example, I’ll leave now - well, I’ll find a mega-bosom friend (and if I don’t send three letters) - well, I don’t so gifted - who can hang noodles - well, we’ll go out - we’ll take it off from the police - and all - to create big movements - you need mega-money recharge - not one (almost) so easy to turn his neck because of an idea - that’s this means that Ulyanov - paid - and the fact that you did not leave in the 90s - means that there was no one to pay.
                    1. -3
                      3 March 2015 17: 44
                      Here you well wrote so many patriots of the USSR, only not one soldier came out in 1 to hold, no one came out against the Yeltsin clique, they all swallowed 91, and now they are talking about great communism, for which not one person stood up
                      The fact that communism fell in the USSR is wonderful, but the fact that our lands fell away from us (New Russia, the South Urals and Siberia, Narva, Belarus,) is tragic. All that 300 years the Communists collected in a couple of days lost. 91 years of tragedy for Russia, but also the chance of renewal, therefore, one should not sprinkle ashes on one’s head, but fight and work for the glory of Russia.
                      P / S The Russian Empire died in the throes of 2 revolutions and civil war, Wrangel and others fought for monarchist ideas. And as the USSR fell, grandfathers gathered, signed an agreement, and all patriots who pour bile here with their phantom pains sausage at 2.20 were sitting in the kitchens and ate vodka, and they should not sip the younger generation, and these Soviet patriots are pulling us back to the same a swamp for which not 1 person did not go out to fight in 91. Again, to lose everything, no thanks.
                      1. 0
                        3 March 2015 17: 56
                        Quote: Landser93
                        Here you well wrote so many patriots of the USSR, only not one soldier came out in 1 to hold, no one came out against the Yeltsin clique, they all swallowed 91, and now they are talking about great communism, for which not one person stood up

                        Yeah - pah already ashamed.
                      2. +3
                        3 March 2015 18: 21
                        Rrrj
                        Are you ashamed?
                        Such as you, just confirmation, anti-communist, always Russophobe.

                        And in this thread, you are a clear confirmation of this with your partner.

                        UNION, this is Russia, in its geopolitical and geographical limits, and you ... are you glad the destruction of the country, so who are you?
                      3. +1
                        3 March 2015 18: 39
                        Quote: vladkavkaz
                        Are you ashamed?

                        Already rzhachno - but I am ashamed of you - for our people.
                        Again bullshit - anti-communist - no - not anti - and not for it. I am for peace and I want to live in peace - without any revolutions there - and winding down for figs knows what idea - better world peace.
                        Russophobe - write such nonsense - oooh - the great-grandfather of Russia - lived in the Urals, great-grandmother - on the border with Ukraine, others near Moscow - and all from some ridge ... but they were sent as feudal lords - by virtue of whose will was virtuous.
                        I am for a strong country - for the unity of peoples - so that all together be united - as before without division.
                        With a partner - also nonsense - yes - some views agree but not all - it is simple to fend off both of them - you will hesitate.
                        This confirms that you are inattentively reading my messages - you glory or something else that dizzy.
                      4. +1
                        3 March 2015 19: 19
                        Rrrj
                        It doesn’t matter who and who your ancestors considered themselves to be, it is important who and who, YOU have become.
                        In Ukraine, many nominally Russians have become UKROPIANS, mankurts who do not understand why they are being used as a sacrifice to the Moloch war, for interests that are completely alien to them.

                        Here you are, exactly the same ..
                        Read, there is a slightly higher answer for you if you are still able to understand and reason, and not in the wake of a professional bot - Landser93, jumping up and down with joy to carry the nonsense that you just printed here.

                        As for attention, I’m reading your opuses very carefully, very carefully, responding only to those that show how you are wearing ... a proverb, a Russian one to bring on occasion, or guess what it means?
                      5. +1
                        3 March 2015 19: 37
                        Quote: vladkavkaz
                        As for attention, I’m reading your opuses very carefully, very carefully, responding only to those that show how you are wearing ... a proverb, a Russian one to bring on occasion, or guess what it means?

                        Yes, no, no, I’m glad that you read carefully. I also read - yes, in general, it’s real - that’s just us — namely me and you — Western wry guys want to quarrel ... And it’s even somehow strange that such articles appear on the site — maybe an attempt to spread hostility on the old topic? And the funny thing is - the infections manage to easily quarrel people of one nation - not to mention different ones - this is bad.
                        Okay - to the side of all sorts of personalities - let everyone consider who he is considered a hero and who not really ...
                        + I recommend reading to you at your leisure Dr. Zhivago - an entertaining book - read - interesting - a lot has been written about that period ...
                      6. +2
                        3 March 2015 19: 47
                        RrrJ (1)
                        parsnip and his book "Doctor Zhivago", yeah, released under the auspices and efforts of the CIA, in this case, read Solzhenitsyn, you will become an openly Russophobe.
                        Both of them worked against the country, A. Zinoviev definitely said about such people, by the way, who are you, at least you know about it ..., shot at communism, got into Russia.
                        You remind me of this character
                        http://maxpark.com/community/4489/content/3296738
                        You will believe him.
                        And these are the affairs of your Parsnip ...
                        http://maxpark.com/community/5134/content/3283990
                        He had a short memory.
                        If you recall where he could thunder and who saved him.
                      7. +3
                        3 March 2015 20: 10
                        Quote: vladkavkaz
                        parsnip and his book "Doctor Zhivago", yeah, released under the auspices and efforts of the CIA

                        The CIA is always looking for opposition and trying to push it through, no matter what it is. But still - you are not afraid to get sick with mania (like mine)) - read - purely for understanding - that yes - Pasternak is a scoundrel - he rubbed nonsense to please the CIA, but he stayed in Russia.
                        And about the activist from the Russian Academy of Sciences - in general, I am silent - you can rest - some kind of clown.
                      8. +3
                        3 March 2015 20: 28
                        RrrJ (1
                        In your face, she finds such people. They start small, reading all sorts of Doctors and Wheels with Archipelagos, and end up with betrayal.

                        Technology has been run in by the West, you already, within this process, should have admitted it to yourself.

                        The article about Pasternak clearly states what he thought and how, so don’t bother me with your speculations because of the innocence of the writer of that book, he knew very well that he was writing, why and what the consequences were.

                        And such is the whole fauna of the hereditary anti-Soviet, sometimes dressing up in patriotic clothes, such as the clown of a politician like Zhirinovsky.
                        Or, the representative of the ruling party, Zheleznyak, to whom even Solovyov, who was not noticed at all in sympathy for the Union, doesn’t have a relation to Victory, shouting VKPb, had to give a shortcut, shutting him up with literally one phrase - VKPb should also know HISTORY, in the Great Patriotic War, its Ideology, was the main driving and guiding force that ultimately ensured the VICTORY.

                        Only and only because for 25 years in a row, they destroyed everything and everyone, coming to their senses only when it became clear for those who stole, no one considers them equal in the West. They clung to the VICTORY symbol, there is no other symbol, it cannot be POWERFUL symbols, independent, sovereign country, Nicholas II is weak, a handful of his lost generals, soiled by cooperation with Hitler, as well as a whole lot of "Russian" writers.
                        In fact, they do not have ANYTHING proper to Russian culture, the spirit of the Russian people, in general to RUSSIA itself, as the only homeland of man.
                      9. +2
                        3 March 2015 20: 37
                        Okay - what to do - I'm lost to society.
                        And so - out - not money, nor the Mistrals can claim - the accompanying unfinished.
                      10. +3
                        3 March 2015 23: 01
                        RrrJ (1)
                        This is the difference that Lenin and Stalin were able, these, can not do ANYTHING, except for killing Nemtsov, dancing on the bones, liberals, what to take from them .. how to lie, so the first how to destroy, they are in the forefront , steal, again they are ahead of everyone, and CASE do, fire, they can’t do it, CASE Lenin and Stalin could do.
                      11. 0
                        3 March 2015 21: 35
                        Quote: vladkavkaz
                        read in this case, and Solzhenitsyn, will become frankly Russophobe.


                        Putin about Solzhenitsen-Alexander Isaevich Solzhenitsyn did not pay attention to the problems of our society because he was somehow hostile to the country. On the contrary, he was a patriot, he wanted to save the country, but it did not survive, because we did not pay attention in time to what he paid attention to. We must carefully and objectively relate to everything.

                        Putin russophobe?
                      12. -3
                        3 March 2015 21: 48
                        They don’t know yet that he (GDP) Ilyin is quoting laughing
                        TSSS, they’ll generally have a gap)))
                      13. bombardir
                        0
                        3 March 2015 22: 07
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Putin russophobe?
                        Yes - "the one who says Russia for the Russians ..."

                        And what does he say about privatization with a liberal (copied from the West) economy ...
                      14. 0
                        3 March 2015 23: 07
                        RUSS (2
                        Putin is a politician, unlike you, an empty and empty regular.

                        And even in the "creativity" of this basically hater of the Union, there are some provisions that deserve attention, but you did not know about this, you do not know and you do not want to know, you have one thing on your mind, the notorious Gulag Archipelago, written with the participation of the CIA , yes delirium of the Red Wheel.

                        Exactly the same as in Ilyin’s philosophizing, there are grains, I choked on the heap, but even here, you simply don’t have enough intellect to separate where the grain is and where the husk is, you are greedy for husks, but you don’t get to grains.
                        A. Zinoviev is exactly the same, but for you it is absolutely aerobatics, a complete misunderstanding of what he wrote, why he wrote so ..

                        In general, when a nickname is like a radish, then in real life, something is slurred, he jumped upstairs, heard something somewhere, eavesdropped on something, didn’t understand anything, but was nonsense, just give free rein ... chalk, land, yours a week..
                      15. bombardir
                        +3
                        3 March 2015 20: 14
                        Quote: rrrj
                        anti-communist - no - not anti - and not for. I am for peace and I want to live peacefully - without any revolutions there - and winding up for figs knows what idea is better than world peace
                        The opportunist therefore ...

                        but were sent as feudal lords
                        The feudal lords were not expelled.

                        - according to whose will is virtuous
                        By whose?

                        I am for a strong country
                        What does "strong country" mean? What is it like?

                        for the unity of peoples
                        On what basis?
                      16. +2
                        3 March 2015 20: 23
                        And who are you - you can find out? + For you - copy:
                        And especially for members of the forum: Guys - and where were you with your slogans - when the greatest country called the USSR was ruined? It was necessary to pickets, demonstrations, etc. - so no - they wanted to see democracy - and now what - did they come down?
                        + You know that - even a cold in the ass just doesn’t come out - you need to help this matter ... For example, I’ll leave now - well, I’ll find a mega-bosom friend (and if I don’t send three letters) - well, I don’t so gifted - who can hang noodles - well, we’ll go out - we’ll take it off from the police - and all - to create big movements - you need mega-money recharge - not one (almost) so easy to turn his neck because of an idea - that’s this means that Ulyanov - paid - and the fact that you did not leave in the 90s - means that there was no one to pay.
                      17. bombardir
                        +1
                        3 March 2015 22: 16
                        Quote: rrrj
                        And who are you - you can find out?
                        Yes, no problem - find out.

                        and now what? - hi huh?
                        Yes - and this is not even insight, but so - a slight feeling of dissatisfaction with the lack of justice. It's only the beginning...

                        not one (almost) so simply will not go round his neck because of an idea
                        Your ancestors from 41 to 45 were mercenaries or silent cattle (understand correctly - if you are right and no one goes for the idea, then your ancestors were either paid or driven like a herd for slaughter)?
                      18. +1
                        4 March 2015 17: 40
                        Quote: bombardir
                        It's only the beginning...

                        What will happen - will you stand because of the crowd - and yell - to cheer those - who are in front - but push in the side?
                        Quote: bombardir
                        not one (almost) so simply will not go round his neck because of an idea: Your ancestors from 41 to 45 were mercenaries or silent cattle (understand correctly - if you are right and no one goes for the idea, then your ancestors were either paid or driven like a herd for slaughter)?

                        Something you are talking about - an extra grabbed - and nonsense - this is an insult - what is 41-45? What are you talking about? We are here about the formation of Soviet power - and you are 41-45. What other mercenaries? The poor grandfather fought - shell shock, captivity, fled - hungry kept a bastard.
                      19. bombardir
                        +1
                        4 March 2015 19: 39
                        Quote: rrrj
                        What will happen - will you stand because of the crowd - and yell - to cheer those - who are in front - but push in the side?
                        Because of the crowd, they don’t stand and do not yell (and it’s more about you, not about me).

                        Something you are talking about - an extra grabbed - and nonsense - this is an insult - what is 41-45? What are you talking about? We are here about the formation of Soviet power - and you are 41-45. What other mercenaries?
                        An attempt to move to the market is not counted.

                        The poor grandfather fought - shell shock, captivity, fled - hungry kept a bastard.
                        Well? He fought for money, or how dumb cattle?

                        Or did you turn your neck for an idea?
                      20. +1
                        4 March 2015 20: 03
                        Quote: bombardir
                        Because of the crowd, they don’t stand and do not yell (and it’s more about you, not about me).

                        Aa, it’s clear - you’ll be sitting on the couch at home - watching on the telly - who will take it - and then you say - I was for you ...
                        Quote: bombardir
                        An attempt to move to the market is not counted.

                        It’s you who are moving out - I said - my grandfather got a shell-shock, he was captured - for such rags as some people fought - so that they would write about him like that later.
                        For the country created by I.V. Stalin fought - for a great country.
                      21. bombardir
                        0
                        5 March 2015 13: 08
                        Quote: rrrj
                        Aa, it’s clear - you’ll be sitting on the couch at home - watching on the telly - who will take it - and then you say - I was for you ...
                        You will say this - when it becomes unbearable to put up with the current state of affairs.

                        It’s you who are moving out - I said - my grandfather got a shell-shock, he was captured - for such rags as some people fought - so that they would write about him like that later.
                        You move out - hiding behind your grandfather and immediately declaring that no one goes for the idea, thereby classifying your grandfather as either mercenaries or animal slaves for slaughter.

                        For the country created by I.V. Stalin fought - for a great country.
                        The country was created not by Stalin alone, and the country was created not great, but just - socialist.
                        Another attempt to move to the bazaar, hiding behind this time by Stalin, was not counted again.
                      22. 0
                        5 March 2015 13: 32
                        Quote: bombardir
                        Just move out - hiding behind your grandfather and immediately declaring that no one goes for the idea, thereby reckoning your own grandfather to the mercenaries

                        ... with a stupa - do not equate the Second World War with the revolution - when the brother of the brother killed - the Second World War - war - and the war of the whole country against an external enemy.
                        But revolution is an internal enemy - and it is not known who he is or where he is.
                        Quote: bombardir
                        The country was created not by Stalin alone, and the country was created not great, but just - socialist.

                        But for me the great is everything.
                      23. +2
                        3 March 2015 23: 55
                        Victor Hugo: If you want to understand the Vendee uprising, imagine distinctly two antagonists - on the one hand the French Revolution, on the other - the Breton peasant. Great, unprecedented events are swiftly unfolding; benevolent changes, which rushed all at once in a stormy stream, turn into a threat, civilization moves forward with angry jerks, the frantic, indomitable onslaught of progress brings with it unheard-of and incomprehensible improvements, and the savage, a strange light-eyed, long-haired man, all of whose food - milk and chestnuts, the whole horizon - the walls of his hut, hedge and the border of his field; he knows by heart the voice of each bell in any bell tower in the surrounding parishes, he uses water only for drinking, does not part with a leather jacket embroidered with a silk pattern , like a tattoo covering all his clothes, like his ancestor, the Celt, covered the whole face with a tattoo; honors his master in his executioner; he speaks a dead language, thereby blocking his thought in the crypt of the past, and knows how to do only one thing — harness the oxen, grind his braid, weed out a rye field, knead buckwheat cakes; first of all honors his plow, and then his grandmother; He believes in the Holy Virgin Mary and the White Lady, prayerfully kneels before the holy altar and the mysterious high stone sticking out in the desert lands; in the valley he is a farmer, on the river bank - a fisherman, in the forest thicket - a poacher; he loves his kings, his lords, his priests and his lice; for several consecutive hours, he may not stand moving on a flat deserted shore, a gloomy listener of the sea. And now judge for yourself whether such a blind man was able to receive the blessed light?
                      24. -1
                        3 March 2015 23: 58
                        What is this anti-Communist Russophobe ??? What kind of nonsense are you carrying? How do you define anti-communists? These are probably those who are not happy about Lenin?
                      25. 0
                        4 March 2015 11: 50
                        Quote: YARS
                        with what is the anti-communist is Russophobe ??


                        This is how the communists decided where the connection is not clear.
                      26. -2
                        4 March 2015 18: 00
                        RUSS (2
                        The largest of the dissidents, whose opinion was very, very much listened to in the WEST, Alexander Zinoviev, said, SHOT IN COMMUNISM, FELL IN RUSSIA. So you, from all the caliber of fools, hit in Russia, which was in the image of the USSR, all the same RUSSIA.
                        Well, Russian nationalists, in their attempts to be something different from the shameful outcasts who profess the ideas of Hitler himself, sometimes hiding behind Ilyin, glorifying Nazism, are essentially the same Russophobes as the maydauns now fighting in the Donbas.
                      27. bombardir
                        +1
                        3 March 2015 20: 08
                        Quote: Landser93
                        and now they are talking about the great communism, for which not one person stood up
                        The fact that communism fell in the USSR is wonderful
                        Communism? In the 20th century?

                        Yes, you young man, a dreamer.
                      28. +4
                        3 March 2015 23: 45
                        Why fight? People in the 91st were more humane and not as embittered as in the 17th (by the way, in the 17th people were so angry just because of the special love of the old regime for them). And in the 91st people expressed their opinion, peacefully, in a referendum in March of the 91st. And the fact that they spat on his opinion is a different matter.
                      29. 0
                        3 March 2015 23: 56
                        Landers, the USSR did not fall, it was DESTROYED! 300 years collected by the Communists? What are you talking about?
                2. +4
                  3 March 2015 23: 41
                  We do not know who your grandfather was, for which he was exiled, what he was doing. Learn to see the big for the small; no need to make subjective impressions as objective. And so Christianity in Russia was by no means developed by sermons alone.
                  1. -1
                    4 March 2015 10: 26
                    I can tell you who my great-grandfather was, he had his apple orchard near Uman under Stalin. Plowed from morning till night, and those who sat and drank from morning till evening brew, looked at him with black envy and one day wrote a neo-denunciation, saying that he allegedly was against the Soviet (he was never against Soviet power). It was because of this that his Lenino Trotsko-Khrushevskaya Brigade, without investigation, sent him to the Gulag, which they controlled! And then after Stalin’s poisoning everything was written off on Stalin, saying that Stalin stood behind all the executions. On the contrary, Stalin introduced a moratorium on such things; only few people obeyed him at that time, since the entire administrative staff was Lenino-Trotsky. The story should not just be read, to understand the story in order to understand why specific individuals did certain things! Stalin is a great hero and leader who changed the fate of the USSR, all the other figures of the time, like sweat for me, did not act for the good of the people and the state
                    1. +1
                      4 March 2015 17: 45
                      Quote: YARS
                      under Stalin had his apple orchard near Uman. Plowed from morning to evening, and those who sat and drank moonshine from morning to evening, looked at him with black envy and one fine day wrote to neo-denunciation, supposedly he was against the Soviet

                      Here they are feudal lords - anti-communists - working scoundrels - they do not eat moonshine. Someone will say the thread again - there are few details)
                    2. +2
                      4 March 2015 17: 48
                      By coincidence, my great-grandfather also had his own garden before the Revolution. Not small at all. And when collectivization began, he joined the collective farm. Together with the garden. And he stayed with him, he also gave helpers. He lived and died a respected person. And I, thanks to him, did not become the great-grandson of the "former". And about the "dirty Russian idlers" from morning till night drinking moonshine and scribbling denunciations: we have all heard this for many years.
                      1. +1
                        4 March 2015 17: 56
                        gizz
                        Thank you, your very true assessment of these scribbling, all sorts of libel, very correctly formulated))))))
                      2. 0
                        4 March 2015 23: 40
                        And who told you about the dirty Russian ??? What nonsense are you carrying! My grandfather lived in the Ukrainian village and denunciations were written by fellow villagers, also Ukrainians !!!
              2. -1
                3 March 2015 23: 51
                here you are not right dear! No need to engage in provocations here! No one is bombing here! What nationalities are we talking about?
            2. +6
              3 March 2015 23: 31
              Quote: rrrj

              What kind of people? Are you drunk? How on the Maidan?
              My great-grandfather - had his own farm - 2 cows - lived - lived - didn’t eat French rolls - but he didn’t complain about life - he worked because - he did not scream and waved his hands like some.

              I had the same great-grandfather with two cows and a horse ...
              The whole family worked hard, my grandmother went to school until 10 years old. and to death she wrote in capital letters.
              On the farm, in the family they said, great-grandfather entered last ...
              He was very dissatisfied with the actions of the heads of collective farms. that were all from the poor.
              This is all well known.
              But the state problem must be understood at the macro level.

              In the twentieth century, the era of imperialism began. Germany, England, France, USA - developed by leaps and bounds.
              But in Russia there were not enough workers. And no one wanted to work.
              Peasants sowed, plowed .... mainly for themselves.
              Wealthy fists (farmers) only about 4%.
              And the middle peasants, who had their own livestock, made up the majority up to 75%, but fed only themselves.
              Russia remained an agrarian country ...

              Stolypin tried to resettle the peasants in Siberia, hoping. that they will take a lot of land and begin to plow a lot more ...
              Nothing succeeded. The peasant worked almost exclusively for himself, so that his family would not go hungry; he had Russia's problems on the drum.

              Following Marx, Lenin saw in the workers (proletariat) the people of the future.
              And he was completely right.
              It was the workers who created the Soviet Union.

              And only when the workers of traditional industrial professions ceded their leadership to engineers and mobile managers, the USSR project ended ...

              So V.I. Lenin is a thinker and global leader in the history of mankind.
        3. -1
          3 March 2015 13: 37
          If you at least got acquainted with the Schlieffenn plan (you can read it in Wikipedia), then the Germans would have attacked RI with even greater power than later, and how it would have ended if the Germans had not gotten stuck in the West would not be known. Of course, I understand that Nikolai is a bad commander there, but the Republic of Ingushetia fought against 3 empires on the Front from the Baltic to Armenia, but why weren't the Germans, not the Austrians, not the Turks near Moscow or Tsaritsyn (Volgograd) and the whole country was not in martial law. And in 1917, an offensive was being prepared and a landing in Constantinople, but apparently our "allies" and enemies did not need the victory of Russia. I do not understand how it is possible to consider the Bolsheviks as "patriots" that they stabbed Russia in the back (although at first they struck the Februaryists I agree) In general, October is a continuation of February, Kerensky simply handed over power to the Bolsheviks for which they let him leave, transferred the royal family into the hands of the barbarian of the Reds and it was he armed the Bolshevik party in July 17, I want to remind you that Kerensky was also a socialist)
          1. +4
            3 March 2015 14: 59
            If you at least got acquainted with the planned Schliefen


            You know, somehow, familiar. But firstly, the Schlieffen plan was a response to the Franco-Russian alliance, and in the place of the Germans, I would also think about how not to crack between a rock and a hard place in the manner of a nut. Will you be very surprised to learn that Russia also had plans to attack Berlin? And secondly, if "cousin Nicky" had listened to "cousin Willie" in Bjork, then the "Schlieffen plan" could have been wiped off. And then the French, too, would have sat on their asses and our "beloved" naglo-Saxons would have remained nose to nose with FOM - the brainchild of Admiral Tirpitz. So I would love to watch the showdown between the Grand Fleet and the FOM, which included all 4 Bayerns and 4 Bismarcks. Taking into account a certain "cardboardness", there is a lot of money.
            1. -7
              3 March 2015 15: 09
              The USSR also planned a war in a foreign land by small forces, well, this does not mean that the Barbaros plan is an answer to the plans of the USSR?)
              Here are just the result of the war and the cost of resources was slightly different, what would happen to the USSR if the Turks hit in the summer of 42?
              But RI not only kept the front far in the West, but smashed the Turks.
              RI was the central power of the world, and the Germans' desire for living space was already then, again on this resource were articles about the plan for the division of Russia before the Great War
              Well, of course, you know better how RI fought badly ...
              1. +1
                3 March 2015 16: 07
                The USSR also planned a war in a foreign land by small forces, well, this does not mean that the Barbaros plan is an answer to the plans of the USSR?)


                Actually, I had in mind that the existence of war plans does not mean that they really want to unleash this war (RI plans to attack Berlin). That's what the General Staff is to make plans for a war with neighbors.

                Here are just the result of the war and the cost of resources was slightly different, what would happen to the USSR if the Turks hit in the summer of 42?


                Did they hit?
                What would happen? You probably don’t know that ours, together with the Angles, occupied Iran? So, there were troops, so the Turks would have been enough. And the Japanese are not particularly critical fighters on land, if you fight normally.
                By the way, one should not confuse propaganda (with little blood, not small forces, by the way) and military planning. Read about the pre-war plans for offensive operations, they are quite full-scale, and not "small forces".

                But RI not only kept the front far in the West, but smashed the Turks.


                In fact, she held the front against, in many ways, the land units of Germany and received heroic insights such as Sarykamysh on the Turkish front, if there weren’t the Turks, but the Germans, the krants would be ours - a complete karachun. And if it was not the landver units that came, but the normal army, as in 1915, then they would surrender the territory along with the fortresses. At the same time, the Red Army provided itself with weapons and ammunition, and the Imperial Army was the second most common rifle ... Japanese arisaka.

                RI was the central power of the world,


                Yeah, the very "navel" of the earth, whose debt was greater than the GDP, in percentage terms, is worse than the amers now, the article was recently here. RI turned into the second "sick person of Europe". And after WWI, wars would have been fought for the "Russian heritage", as we once fought for the Turkish one.

                and the Germans' desire for living space was already then,


                That's right, in the colony overseas. Which the Germans still, mind you, did not have time to master, where could they colonize our open spaces.

                Well, of course, you know better how RI fought badly ...


                Yes, I know better. East Prussian operation. Almost a twofold advantage. We have a guard, a bunch of cavalry, the Germans have up to a third of the land unit and the only CD. And they lost surrounded by THREE HOUSES! Moreover, the 13th AK was banished and didn’t even enter the battle normally before it began to give up. Is that a normal war, damn it? Even a Russian soldier could not save the tsarist impotent generals. And the glory of the Russian army as they took out in the mud ...
                1. -4
                  3 March 2015 16: 47
                  negative Do you know the story for sure?)))
                  Why were defeated in East Prussia about reserves from France about the appointment of Hindenburg as commander of troops in east Prussia?)))
                  I love when the scoops of East Prussia remember how many there were surrounded by Russian soldiers? And in the Kiev boiler, and in Bialystok, and Vyazemsky. In Rkka, in the top posts was the genius of civil war? Tymoshenko, Budyonny, Voroshilov, why did they end up in cauldrons with half a million prisoners of war as a result, are they geniuses of the war, unlike the rotten tsarist school?)))
                  1. +1
                    4 March 2015 14: 35
                    Do you know the story for sure?)))


                    I know. In principle, the "reserves from France" did not have time to arrive. From the word "in general". Hindenburg managed without them. Yes, and Pritvitz would have coped, I think he has already begun the maneuver that Hindenburg completed.

                    how many were there surrounded by Russian soldiers? And in the Kiev boiler, and in Bialystok, and Vyazemsky.


                    Without b. But where did the “imprtsy” end the war and where the “scoops” were. Remind you, since the memory lost?

                    In Rkka, in the top posts was the genius of civil war?


                    Yeah, and also really the genius of the tsarist school - like Shaposhnikov. But these were objective defeats. After which there was a VICTORY. The tsarist army cannot boast of such a thing.
            2. +1
              3 March 2015 16: 31
              [quote = alicante11] [quote] ... [/ quote]
              Well, you know - the British with an awl, soap - but you would push Germany onto us ... as in the Second World War.
              1. +2
                4 March 2015 14: 37
                Well, you know - the British with an awl, soap - but you would push Germany onto us ... as in the Second World War.


                Unlike the fascist Reich, the German Empire was not an Naglo-Saxon project. And so she acted based on her interests. And it was impossible to "push" her to Russia.
          2. +1
            3 March 2015 16: 29
            Quote: Landser93
            ... I do not understand how it is possible to consider the Bolsheviks as "patriots" that they stabbed Russia in the back (although at first they struck the Februaryists agree) In general, October is a continuation of February, Kerensky simply handed over power to the Bolsheviks for which they let him leave, handed the royal family into the hands of the barbarian red and it was he who armed the Bolshevik Party in July 17, I want to remind you that Kerensky was also a socialist)

            The right words — all sorts of Kerensky and others — are also good geese — traitors — warmed themselves up by the tsar — ​​and then on his head.
        4. erg
          +3
          3 March 2015 16: 34
          And here, Denikin, in his essays of turmoil, writes that the Russian people were indifferent both to the church and to what it taught. This is where he, in his memoirs, understands the slogan - For faith, king and fatherland. Of the three provisions, the closest thing to the people was for the fatherland. And that, under the fatherland, the majority understood their native land, and not the whole empire.
          1. +1
            3 March 2015 16: 50
            An interesting note to you + for your attentiveness, no matter how well I treated Denikin, he was not a monarchist anyway. His role is not the last in the overthrow of the king and the conspiracy of the generals, because I can understand his phrase ... We must find an excuse.
            Well, this is my IMHO)
            1. erg
              +1
              3 March 2015 17: 31
              Add to this Denikin’s excuse for a possible war against the USSR of the West, with the goal of overthrowing the Bolsheviks. (Performance in the USA after the Second World War). A good patriot is a nation that only has survived a terrible war, but it justifies a new one, as if it does not understand that the Russian people will suffer in a new war, and not its rulers, who may remain.
              1. +2
                3 March 2015 17: 38
                Quote: erg
                Add to this Denikin’s excuse for a possible war against the USSR of the West,


                The German invasion of France in May 1940 forced Denikin to make a decision to leave Burg-la-Rennes (near Paris) in a hurry and drive one of his comrade-in-arms Colonel Glotov to the south of France to the Spanish border. In Mimizan, north of Biarritz, German motorized units overtook a car with Denikin. He was imprisoned by the Germans in a concentration camp, where the Goebbels department offered him assistance in literary work. He refused to cooperate, was released and settled under the control of the German commandant's office and the Gestapo in a friends villa in the village of Mimizan in the vicinity of Bordeaux. Many of the books, brochures, and articles written by Denikin in the 1930s were put on the list of banned literature in the territory controlled by the Third Reich and were removed.

                He refused to register in the German commandant’s office as a stateless person (who were Russian emigrants), citing the fact that he was a subject of the Russian Empire, and no one took this citizenship from him.

                In 1942, German authorities again offered Denikin cooperation and relocation to Berlin [72], this time demanding, according to Ippolitov’s interpretation, that he lead anti-communist forces from among Russian emigrants under the auspices of the Third Reich, but received the general’s decisive refusal.

                Gordeev, referring to the information received in the archival documents, cites information that in 1943 Denikin sent a wagon with medicines to the Red Army at his personal expense, which puzzled Stalin and the Soviet leadership. It was decided to take the medications, and not to disclose the name of the author of their dispatch.

                Remaining a staunch opponent of the Soviet system, he called on emigrants not to support Germany in the war with the USSR (the slogan “Defending Russia and the overthrow of Bolshevism”), repeatedly calling all representatives of emigration collaborating with Germans “obscurantists”, “defeatists” and “Hitler fans”
                1. erg
                  +1
                  3 March 2015 17: 40
                  I wrote about his post-war performances.
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        5. +4
          3 March 2015 22: 47
          Excuse me, was Stalin not in the same party with Lenin until the 17th? Didn’t he value and respect Lenin? Did he not serve a link for clandestine activities against tsarism? Didn't he take an active part in the October Revolution? You listen to such people, so it seems that Stalin was an active figure in tsarist Russia, and then took part in the white movement to free Russia from bloody Lenin and Bolshevism.
    2. +15
      3 March 2015 07: 29
      Who knows how our history developed if it had only one February, bourgeois ...


      It would be bad. All those negative factors that are indicated in the article, they would not have gone anywhere. But theft of the "young" elite would also be added. So Russia would have lived up to a maximum of the 2nd MV. Capitalist Russia would not have been able to repel the blow of the Wehrmacht, and even alone. But ... I don't think they would wait that long. Why raise the Germans again, when the weakened Empire could well be finished off. After all, they could arrange a Civil War against the Provisional Government. And, for some reason, I doubt that the "chief persuading" Kerensky would have been able to defeat all the self-styledists, Makhnovists, monarchists and socialists in it. So the disintegration of Russia into small but very independent states was quite possible by the early 20s.
      1. +4
        3 March 2015 07: 35
        Quote: alicante11
        So Russia would have lived at most until the 2nd MV

        Is this how she would live? On the fronts of World War I, the Germans are advancing on Petrograd, who would defend it then?
        1. +3
          3 March 2015 13: 28
          Is this how she would live? On the fronts of World War I, the Germans are advancing on Petrograd, who would defend it then?


          So I say - maximum. Best case scenario.
          Well, the Germans still didn’t have much time left, they themselves had the muzzle of the 5th column in the rear with a dagger in the back of the army and the Kaiser. So, I would not have caught up to the Urals. But the allys would most likely profit. Well, perhaps some drug-addicted admiral could collect the remains of "one and indivisible", but then definitely a maximum of WW2.
          1. +2
            3 March 2015 17: 04
            Now I’m watching a comedy. But here the visitors argue so viciously. What went to put the kettle on so that the laughter stopped. And I agree with everything .... I just didn’t understand what kind of drug admiral. Was that real?
            1. -1
              3 March 2015 18: 22
              gorsten79
              Kolchak, a heroin addict.
              1. 0
                3 March 2015 19: 27
                Quote: vladkavkaz
                gorsten79
                Kolchak, a heroin addict.


                If it was cocaine (which many dabbled at that time), then some sucker might have believed what you wrote, but heroin is generally nonsense, nonsense for brainless lumpen.
                1. +2
                  3 March 2015 19: 40
                  RUSS (2
                  If you are the very .OH, these are your problems, but the fact that Kolchak, the drug addict is the fact that KOLCHAK is guilty of squandering Russian gold, the fact that KOLCHAK signed a paper on the division of Russia into 4 zones, protectorate, FACT, as well as the fact that they lowered it under the ice of the HANGAR when it became unnecessary to its owners, who issued it to the Socialist-Revolutionaries.
                2. +1
                  4 March 2015 23: 52
                  About the brainless you are cool.
                  Are you sure that you can only love someone because he is part of your ideas about what is happening. Kolchak is an incredibly odious person. There is nothing to cling to. An English spy who tried his best to help the English with the Straits, who gave them maps of the location of Russian minefields in the Baltic. Again he appeared in Siberia precisely according to the English warning - it was painfully all of them wanted to get to Russian gold. Which flooded Siberia and averted its entire population from itself and the white movement. Etc. Creepy personality. A film about him is something that goes beyond even a distant relationship to reality. This can be removed about anyone. For example, about Hitler and his great love for dogs, children, Eva Brown. About Go Amin and his great love for something, for example, for devouring his opponents. In general, no need for Kolchak.
      2. -15
        3 March 2015 13: 42
        Nazism is the answer to communism; if there were no communism, there would be no Nazis. It was the SA and the assault detachments, the German ex-military detachments in the 20s that emerged as a response of a healthy force to a red orgy in Russia from a million dead, drowned, tortured, starved to death as a response to an attempt to seize power by mooses, countrymen, armored roses and uritsky.
        Have you heard about the suppression of peasant uprisings by combat gases in Tambov, recall?
        Not 1 normal nation does not want such reds at home. Especially when millions of refugees from Russia told what communism is. In Serbia, communism was generally banned before the war, by the way there were the most refugees from southern Russia.
        1. +7
          3 March 2015 15: 04
          Nazism is the answer to communism; if there were no communism, there would be no Nazis.


          Yeah, "our answer to the commies." Interestingly, and the current fascists on Zalezhnaya are also against the communists? So maybe we'll just hang Uncle Sic at the Kremlin gates and everything will calm down?

          It was the SA and the assault detachments, the German ex-military detachments in the 20s that emerged as a response of a healthy force to a red orgy in Russia from a million dead, drowned, tortured, starved to death as a response to an attempt to seize power by mooses, countrymen, armored roses and uritsky.


          And you, for an hour, do not confuse the two "orgies"?
          For some reason it seems to me that "SA and assaults" were a response to the Versailles humiliation of the country and the army, which was defeated not on the battlefield, but by bribery of a part of the elite.

          Have you heard about the suppression of peasant uprisings by combat gases in Tambov, recall?


          Yes, I heard, and what "ended" the great commander, who did this to remind you? And who sentenced him, or do you remember yourself?
          1. -1
            3 March 2015 16: 58
            Read first about Freikor and their role in the fight against Bolshevism in Germany after 18)
            Yes, and about and "Steel helmet, the union of war veterans." At first there was a revolution of 18 and an attempt to seize power by the Bolsheviks in Germany in 18. And then all the circles of hell for the Weimar Republic that brought the Nazis to power (which is not good for Russia)
            Forgive me about Tukhachevsky, but I did not care about the showdown inside the clan of murderers, they shot him not because of the death of Russian peasants from gas, but because he was a Trotskyite. He would be a faithful Stalinist as Voroshilov would live and live.
            Here's an example of another murderer. The "hero" of the civil war Frunze, who personally gave guarantees to all the White Guards who surrendered in the Crimea, was a hero of the Red Army almost during his lifetime. Do you continue to tell what the guarantees from Frunze resulted in for thousands of Russian soldiers and the civilian population of the Crimea (remind Zemlyachka there)?
            1. erg
              +1
              3 March 2015 17: 38
              By the way, documents of Zemlyachka's involvement in the terror in Crimea have not been found. Although all the actions of the new authorities are documented. The signatures under the sentences have survived, but there are no signatures of Zemlyachka. Apparently, to what was happening in the Crimea, Zemlyachka was dragged "to the heap." Maybe that's why she lived, so long that real affairs on her are possible (I emphasize that it is only possible) and not.
              1. -4
                3 March 2015 17: 55
                I doubt that there are no documents. She was in the Crimean Revolutionary Committee, there can be no implicated, random people.
                She is a killer and a sadist, and just reading the description about her from her friend (colleague), so to speak.
                M.S. Sultan-Galiev left the following recollections about Rosalia Samoilovna of the Crimean period:
                comrade SAMOILOVA (Zemlyachka) - an extremely nervous and sick woman who denied any kind of belief system in her work and left the memory of “Arakcheev times” for almost all workers. Unnecessary nervousness, too high a tone in a conversation with almost all comrades, extreme demanding ... undeserved repressions against all who had at least a little courage to “dare to have one’s judgment” or simply “not like” ... SAMOILOVA in Crimea, literally all the workers trembled before her, not daring to disobey her at least the most stupid or erroneous orders.
                1. bombardir
                  +2
                  3 March 2015 20: 40
                  Quote: Landser93
                  I doubt that there are no documents
                  Doubts are understandable - how can there be no doubt when you base an opinion on unconfirmed speculation?

                  And you do not doubt, just make up your mind only when the documents are seen.

                  She was in the Crimean Revolutionary Committee, there can be no implicated, random people
                  Yeah, but only if the stories of Crimean terror are not fake.
                2. erg
                  0
                  3 March 2015 20: 53
                  And they are sure that this comrade was objective. How many times in the history of our country were labels of tyrants, tyrants, etc. for those who did not deserve it. And vice versa, praised and glorified people who were not worth it. About Arakcheev, the same as everything was written, about Pavel 1, Nicholas 1, even contemporaries spoke negatively. I do not praise the Countrywoman, but so far there is no concrete evidence of her guilt, her involvement in the repressions should be talked about as possible, but not confirmed.
              2. bombardir
                +3
                3 March 2015 20: 24
                Quote: erg
                By the way, documents of Zemlyachka’s involvement in terror in Crimea were not found
                And in relation to whom is there? Maybe on Papanin - was such a famous polar explorer? )))
        2. +1
          3 March 2015 16: 34
          Quote: Landser93
          Nazism is the answer to communism; if there were no communism, there would be no Nazis. It was the SA and the assault detachments, the German ex-military detachments in the 20s that emerged as a response of a healthy force to a red orgy in Russia with a million dead, drowned, tortured, starved to death as a response to an attempt to seize power by mooses, compatriots roses, armor battles and Uritsky .. .

          Well, it's already vryatli ...
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        4. erg
          +1
          3 March 2015 16: 41
          But what about Hitler's assertions, written by him in "Mein Kampf", that his views and worldview were formed even before the First World War, when he lived in Austria?
    3. +2
      3 March 2015 10: 53
      Quote: Gans1234
      Well, Lenin and Co. were late and arrived at the heading analysis.
      What did not stop them, while the cheese is boron confusion, to do their dirty work and raise a putsch, which went down in history as the "great October revolution"
      Who knows how our history developed if it had only one February, bourgeois ...

      Hmm ... Hard case.
    4. +1
      3 March 2015 11: 06
      We wouldn’t write any comments about Russia with you. That's for sure.
    5. +4
      3 March 2015 13: 43
      Yes, that’s how your great-grandfather would rot in the trenches on the German front, the illiterate great-grandmother-widow would covet the floor of the village, your grandfather would have been laboring without getting out of mud and dung since you were young, and you would have been brotting like your father, and you would have been the greatest joy if you bought a lollipop for children, but you don’t care, because you would only know three letters from your last name to sign.
    6. +2
      3 March 2015 14: 04
      For idiots, I inform you that the civil war is the struggle between October and February. And February completely blew it. No chance.
      1. -4
        3 March 2015 14: 11
        Lord, what are you talking about, it was the Bolsheviks who said it was their slogan "turning the imperialist war into a civil war, it was they who kindled it !!! What did Trotsky say about the fire of the world revolution at the expense of Russia?"
        1. bombardir
          +1
          3 March 2015 15: 09
          Quote: Landser93
          Hymnically, the Bolsheviks said it was their slogan "to turn the imperialist war into a civil war.
          True - what does this phrase mean? How did the soldiers of the 1st World War (this slogan was addressed to them) should have turned the imperialist into the civilian?

          it was they who lit it up !!!
          Truth? A wallet is taken away from you, you start to resist, to rest, the selector hits you in the face, but you started a fight, because if you silently parted with your wallet there wouldn’t be a fight - right?

          What did Trotsky say about the fire of the world revolution at the expense of Russia?
          What did he say? - quotation and its source please.
          1. +1
            3 March 2015 16: 13
            Russia - a bundle of brushwood in the bonfire of the world revolution.
            On December 17, 1917, in his address to the Cadets, L. Trotsky announced the beginning of the stage of mass terror in relation to the enemies of the revolution in a more severe form:
            You should know that not later than in a month terror will take very strong forms, following the example of the great French revolutionaries. Our enemies will be waiting for the guillotine, not just prison
            About the Red Terror
            The court must not eliminate the terror; to promise this would be self-deception or deceit, and to justify and legitimize it in principle, clearly, without falsehood and without embellishment. It is necessary to formulate as broadly as possible, because only revolutionary legal consciousness and revolutionary conscience will set the conditions for application in practice, more or less broad. With communist greetings, Lenin

            “The bread monopoly, bread card, universal labor service are in the hands of the proletarian state, in the hands of sovereign Soviets, the most powerful means of accounting and control, such a tool that, if applied to the capitalists and the rich in general, when applied to them by workers, will give an unprecedented back in history, the power of “driving” the state apparatus, to overcome the resistance of the capitalists, to subordinate them to the proletarian state. This means of control and coercion to work is stronger than the laws of the convention and its guillotine. The guillotine only intimidated, only ruined the active resistance. This is not enough for us.

            This is not enough for us. We need not only to “intimidate” the capitalists in the sense that they feel the omnipotence of the proletarian state and forget to think about active resistance to it. We need to break the passive, undoubtedly even more dangerous and harmful resistance.

            We need not only to break any resistance. We need to be forced to work in a new organizational and state framework. It is not enough to “remove” the capitalists, it is necessary (by removing the worthless, hopeless “resistance”) to place them in the new public service. This applies both to the capitalists and to the well-known upper layer of the bourgeois intelligentsia, employees, etc.

            And we have a means for this. For this, the warring capitalist state itself gave us the means and weapons in the hands of it. This means - bread monopoly, bread card, universal labor service. “He who does not work should not eat” - this is the basic, first and foremost rule that the Soviets of Workers' Deputies can enforce and introduce when they become power. ”

            This is from an article by Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin) “Will the Bolsheviks be able to maintain power”, written in late September - October 1 (14), 1917, that is, before the October Revolution.

            The result of famine, the slaughter of the million dead, crippled, fled
            Do you have relatives of the Cheka, NKVD murderers in your relatives, otherwise only sadists from the Cheka can sympathize with mooses and armworms?
            1. 0
              3 March 2015 16: 43
              Quote: Landser93
              On December 17, 1917, in his address to the Cadets, L. Trotsky announced the beginning of the stage of mass terror in relation to the enemies of the revolution in a more severe form:
            2. bombardir
              +4
              3 March 2015 17: 40
              Quote: Landser93
              Russia - a bundle of brushwood in the bonfire of the world revolution
              Sounds powerful - indicate the source.

              You should know that not later than in a month terror will take very strong forms, following the example of the great French revolutionaries. Our enemies will be waiting for the guillotine, not just prison
              Just great - indicate the source of the quote. And that kind of quote very much resembles a distorted Leninist one - "We are reproached for using terror, but the terror that was used by the French revolutionaries who guillotined unarmed people, we do not use and, I hope, we will not use" (ed. 5 vol. 35 )

              The court must not eliminate the terror
              There is such a thing, but we are not talking about Lenin, who, by the way, is absolutely fair in this matter.

              "Bread monopoly, bread card
              This is what?

              Total hunger
              The result of what? The introduction of the principle "who does not work, he does not eat", or the result of disagreement with this principle of a group of bandyugans, parasitizing the people for several hundred years?

              slaughter million dead, crippled
              How emotional. But millions are not a number, but a number is not the cause of death.

              fleeing
              fleas escaped from a dog - what a pity ...

              In your relatives there was no murderer from the Cheka, the NKVD
              Do you have killers from the secret police or the aristocracy?
              1. -4
                3 March 2015 18: 11
                Do you also throw pages on famous syphilitic quotes?)))
                “Bread monopoly, bread card is just about the same thing about the Red Terror and the famine in the village))) You wanted quotes (by the way, there was a link like that
                And on the armor too, too?)))
                These are his famous expressions from his speech to the cadets of December 17)))
                Well, who the hell am I or you?))) You should honor your idols like a bible, oh, although what kind of a bible or satanic sect is the Bible, sorry)))

                About fleas you said "well": Sikorsky, Ilyin, Bunin and others, in your opinion, were just like that, well, well laughing
                Unfortunately, there was no one from the secret police, they would have done a good job with leftist rot.

                Oh, here's another quote from your guru

                “There is no mercy for these enemies of the people, the enemies of socialism, the enemies of the working people. The war is not for life, but for the deaths of the rich and the henchmen, bourgeois intellectuals ... they must be dealt with, at the slightest violation ... In one place they will be sent to prison ... In another they will put them to clean the outhouses. In the third - they will be provided with yellow tickets upon serving the cell ... In the fourth - they will be shot on the spot ... The more diverse, the better, the richer the general experience ... "

                24-27 December 1917

                (Lenin V.I. Poln. Collected. Op. T. 35. P. 200, 201, 204. From the work “How to organize a competition?”)
                but where about the court and the guillitine
                “... The court must not eliminate the terror; to promise this would be self-deception or deception, but to justify and legitimize it in principle, clearly, without falsehood and without embellishment. ” and so on there you understand

                17 May 1922 city

                (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T. 45.P. 190.)
                1. bombardir
                  0
                  3 March 2015 21: 22
                  Quote: Landser93
                  To you for famous quotes
                  You have some strange relationship with this disease - then you, Lenin, who suffered from atherosclerosis, sculpt this stamp, now Trotsky.

                  it's about the same thing about the red terror
                  Terror means direct physical violence - where does famine come from?

                  And on the armor too?
                  I asked to indicate the source of quotations attributed to Trotsky.

                  These are his famous expressions.
                  Link to the source please.

                  Sikorsky, Ilyin, Bunin
                  Yes - a talented person can be immoral, immoral, criminal and maniac.

                  they would do a good job with leftist rot
                  So they worked - knocking out rot and leaving steel.

                  they must be dealt with, at the slightest violation ...
                  And continued - ... by them the rules and laws of a socialist society.

                  In one place they will go to jail ... In another place they will put them to clean toilets
                  "Thousands of forms and methods of practical accounting and control over the rich, swindlers and parasites must be developed and tested in practice by the communes themselves, small cells in the village and in the city. Diversity here is a guarantee of vitality, a guarantee of success in achieving a common common goal: clearing Russian land from all kinds of harmful insects, from fleas - crooks, from bedbugs - the rich, etc., etc. In one place they will put a dozen rich people, a dozen crooks, half a dozen workers who shirk from work (just as hooligan as many typesetters in St. In the other, they will be assigned to clean the toilets. In the third, they will be provided with yellow tickets upon leaving the punishment cell so that the whole people, until they are corrected, will supervise them as harmful people. In the fourth, they will be shot at place of one out of ten, guilty of parasitism. In the fifth, they will come up with combinations of different means and by means of, for example, conditional release, they will achieve a quick correction of the correctable elements from the rich, bourgeois intellectuals, crooks and hooligans. The more varied, the better, the richer the general experience will be, the more faithful and faster the success of socialism will be, the easier practice will work out — for only practice can work out — the best methods and means of struggle.
                  In what commune, in what quarter of a big city, in what factory, in what village there are no hungry, no unemployed, no rich parasites, no scoundrels from the lackeys of the bourgeoisie, saboteurs who call themselves intellectuals? in which more has been done to improve productivity? for building new good houses for the poor, for placing them in the houses of the rich? to properly supply every poor child with a bottle of milk? - these are the questions on which the competition of communes, communities, consumer-productive societies and associations, Soviets of workers', soldiers' and peasants' deputies should unfold. This is the kind of work in which organizational talents should practically stand out and be promoted to the top, in the cause of national administration. There are many of them among the people. They are only pinned down. They need help to turn around. They and only they, with the support of the masses, can save Russia and save the cause of socialism. "
            3. erg
              +3
              3 March 2015 17: 52
              You took the article out of context. The article says that when the proletariat takes power (namely, the proletariat, and not just the Bolshevik party), they use those methods of control and control (the article arose as a response to attacks by opponents of the Bolsheviks who claimed that they could not create effective governing bodies after coming to power), which the capitalists themselves invented and use (this also applies to breadcards, monopoly, general conscription, which have already been created by a warring capitalist country - this is emphasized in the article), but putting all this under public control in the person of the Soviets. That is, contrary to popular belief that the Bolsheviks wanted to destroy everything to the ground, the article says that they will take all the best and necessary from the old world.
        2. +1
          3 March 2015 15: 10
          What did Trotsky say about the fire of the world revolution at the expense of Russia?


          And who gave this "bird-talker" an ice pick?
      2. +2
        3 March 2015 16: 56
        Quote: EvilLion
        For idiots, I inform you that the civil war is the struggle between October and February. And February completely blew it. No chance.

        You forgot that there was an intervention ahead that provoked and fueled G [media = http: //my.mail.ru/mail/alex-babetski/video/_myvideo/1961.html] Rajdansk
        war !!!
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    7. Aspirin
      +3
      3 March 2015 18: 00
      Quote: Gans1234
      Well, Lenin and Co. were late and arrived at the heading analysis.
      What did not stop them, while the cheese is boron confusion, to do their dirty work and raise a putsch, which went down in history as the "great October revolution"
      Who knows how our history developed if it had only one February, bourgeois ...

      It would be bad. In February, liberals came to power. As shown by historical experience, they can not and can not but how to destroy.
    8. +2
      3 March 2015 18: 55
      Quote: Gans1234
      Who knows how our history developed if it had only one February, bourgeois


      It would be bad

      in short, tsarist Russia was not the worst state and had enough advantages

      It was destroyed by the Februaryist liberals - the current Nemtsov Chubais are their ideological descendants - they wanted a "crunch of a French roll"

      The Bolsheviks returned the country back - and the Stalinists, having defeated the Trotskyists, actually returned to the empire scheme (that is, they built the USSR for a better life for the peoples of Eurasia - and not for the "furnace of the world revolution")

      The Stalinist USSR was built after the war and since the 50s has shown the best results - it's not even about space and gagarin - but the incredible simply fantastic rate of improvement of people's lives - the post-war devastation was completely overcome - there was no hunger in the 50s - and in the 60s there was already almost a "Soviet life" of the 70s - and then the era of Brezhnev and Kosygin - a great era - no stagnation - we still feed on the achievements and developments of the Brezhnev era
    9. wax
      0
      4 March 2015 01: 49
      There would be no peace in Brest, and Russia would be defeated.
  2. -2
    3 March 2015 05: 53

    take a look ... and he clearly tells .. THAT THE KING was betrayed by his Relatives!
    just like Stalin was the nephew of Nicholas 2
    1. +3
      3 March 2015 06: 31
      Quote: Nitarius

      take a look ... and he clearly tells .. THAT THE KING was betrayed by his Relatives!
      just like Stalin was the nephew of Nicholas 2





      Well, of course...
      But Trotsky with the finances of the Western moneylenders Schiff and his gang of pharmacists and sons of watchmakers, it seems like nothing to do with it.
      The Russians "exterminated themselves"? ...
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      2. -6
        3 March 2015 13: 48
        You don't know anything. little Jewish boy Moisha Sverdlov, a syphilitic and a bronshtein, these are the victims of the "bloody tsar", these comrades worked for 12 hours at the factories and fought for their rights. And if you disagree and throw arguments, then you are a provocateur of 100500 Beria's colony on you, and in general give the number of the Cheka they will come for you. Ish you opened your mouth on the scoop wassat bourgeois)))
        But in general ))))
    2. +4
      3 March 2015 17: 01
      Quote: Nitarius
      THAT THE TsAR IS TRIED BY HIS RELATIVES!
      just like Stalin was the nephew of Nicholas 2

      Shaw again, the exam?
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      1. +2
        3 March 2015 19: 40
        Quote: nvv
        What kind of scum did the tanker put minus?

        Brother, what are you making noise? will anyone say? request
  3. +5
    3 March 2015 06: 53
    Quote: drop1
    The Russians "exterminated themselves"? ...

    It’s funny. I've survived. This is when the Russians destroyed themselves? When did they write on the walls of Berlin, or when did Gagarin fly?
    1. +1
      3 March 2015 08: 02
      Quote: qwert
      It’s funny. I've survived. This is when the Russians destroyed themselves?




      And Edik, of course, did not notice the question mark at the end of the post ...
    2. 0
      3 March 2015 13: 50
      If we consider Zemlyachka, Uritsky, Brotnsten, Kaganovich-Russian, then yes. The Russians organized a terror in their own 20s.)
      1. bombardir
        -2
        3 March 2015 15: 15
        Quote: Landser93
        If we consider Zemlyachka, Uritsky, Brotnsten, Kaganovich-Russian, then yes. The Russians organized a terror in their own 20s.)
        What kind of Russians were they that they managed to arrange a bunch of Jews to arrange terror?
        1. 0
          3 March 2015 16: 04
          As the left pet Trotsky said (Bronstein)
          But what is our revolution, if not a frenzied uprising against the elemental, senseless, biological automatism of life, that is, against the peasant root of old Russian history, against its aimlessness (non-teleological), against its "holy" idiotic karataism - in the name of conscious , expedient, strong-willed and dynamic beginning of life? - Trotsky L. D. Literature and revolution. - M .: Politizdat, 1991.— p. 91.
          Thousands of Chinese, Latvians, Chechens, I would look at you as you would fight
          1. bombardir
            +1
            3 March 2015 16: 44
            Quote: Landser93
            As your left pet Trotsky said
            He said the right thing in general, although he played on the side of capital.

            But the question remains - what kind of Russians are they incapable of resisting that which kills them? Thousands of Chinese, Latvians, Chechens against millions of Russians, unable to defend themselves?

            There is either a cross or cowards - either Russian natural slaves (this was repeatedly denied by the Russians themselves by their actions), or the Russians, together with the Chinese, Latvians, Chechens and other Jews, crushed a common enemy, the remnants of which that had surfaced in the late 80s, fearing a repetition Those events are now singing about terror against the Russians, while the terror happened against robbers, extortionists, rapists and murderers who did not want to give up the opportunity to live at someone else's expense and unleashed the "Civil" war, but in fact - the world imperialist intervention.
          2. -2
            3 March 2015 16: 45
            Quote: Landser93
            Thousands of Chinese, Latvians, Chechens, I would look at you as you would fight



            Poster of the time.
            1. -4
              3 March 2015 18: 22
              But these halenny revolutionary Chinese battalions, in the port Russian city of Odessa. By the way, their main feature was chopping a man in half belay
              Well, it’s clear that these are workers tortured by tsarist oppression, what other Chinese are they? Are you an agent of the State Department)))
              1. Aspirin
                0
                3 March 2015 18: 26
                Glyupenky uker laughing and the Petliurites means they handed out the zuckers at the import.
                1. 0
                  3 March 2015 18: 48
                  Sorry what?)))
                  It may be enough for me to throw ukrov to the camp, do you have arguments or is it just a transition to individuals? In the photo, for some reason, they are not Ukrainian separatists, namely, fighters for the rights of workers, only not Russian and not workers)
                  1. 0
                    3 March 2015 18: 56
                    Quote: Landser93
                    Can stop me throwing ukrov camp

                    You need to throw in another place lol
                    Quote: Landser93
                    Do you have arguments, or just a transition to the individual? In the photo, for some reason, they are not Ukrainian separatists, namely, fighters for the rights of workers, only not Russian and not workers)

                    Who told you that these are Chinese in Odessa, and not Japanese in the Far East? In addition to the mattresses, there was a trick to stoke steam locomotives by workers and peasants!
                    Or is Bender not a follower of the loop?
                    Karosh troll, dude, otherwise you will fly away first to the skulls, and then to the ban! am
                    1. -4
                      3 March 2015 19: 14
                      And then you throw Romanian troops in Odessa (also red and also revolutionary?)
                      Here is a link to the source with all the proofs and book links
                      http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/intervent.php
                      That is, you want to say that there was not 1 Chinese in the city, that the Red Terror and the Odessa Cheka (by the way, I read that it’s terrible in the south of Russia) is fiction?
                      Have you read the Cursed Days?
                      I advise
                      What about Melgunov and his red terror?
                      Here I advise you to read
                      Thank you for the kind word Soviet man, you can immediately see the intellectual, like the Chinese that chopped people
                      1. +2
                        3 March 2015 19: 20
                        Quote: Landser93
                        What about Melgunov and his red terror?

                        One of the methods of torture by the Odessa Cheka according to Melgunov is shown in the TV series "Game of Thrones" - a rat in a cage was tied to the unfortunate man's chest and ...
                        And if someone is uncomfortable with Melgunov, then it is difficult not to believe I. Bunin ("The Cursed Days").
                      2. 0
                        3 March 2015 19: 26
                        I did not watch the game of thrones, I do not know what is there. But Melgunov read ....
                        Thank you, I did not know this fact about (game of thrones)
                        Only now you wrote this in vain, you are now leftists for-, "this was not all", and if it was for the "good of the revolution" and in general "death to the bourgeoisie", and who are the bourgeoisie is not clear. As here 1 gentleman wrote, his great-grandfather was also a "bourgeois" because he had a cow, they took it and sent it to the field. Lucky not to have been killed yet.
                      3. +4
                        3 March 2015 19: 39
                        Quote: Landser93
                        Only now you wrote it in vain, you are now leftists for-

                        Come on... laughing
                        I was on another branch the other day for my "dislike of them" in total I picked up 40 minuses. And nothing - alive. And even more wassat
                      4. +1
                        3 March 2015 19: 53
                        Here the leftists have strict censorship, those who disagree are the enemy of the people.
                        Thank you at least the Cheka does not leave .. laughing
                        And what was the topic that you picked up so many "-"?
                      5. -2
                        3 March 2015 21: 43
                        Quote: Landser93
                        Here the leftists have strict censorship, those who disagree are the enemy of the people.


                        That's right, everyone spits on the "censor", but they themselves have a mustache smile - "who is not with us is against us" or anything new, they have enemies and liberals all around them.
                      6. +3
                        3 March 2015 21: 50
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Quote: Landser93
                        Here the leftists have strict censorship, those who disagree are the enemy of the people.

                        It is true that everyone spits on the "censor", but with a mustache - "whoever is not with us is against us" or anything new, they have enemies and liberals all around them.

                        I once noted on a similar topic that the Civil War in Russia has not ended. Again division into "white" and "red". This is counterproductive. As well as the division into pro-Putinists and liberals.
                        Be above it.
                        Learn to forgive your opponent.
                        Good luck!
                        hi
                      7. -2
                        3 March 2015 21: 57
                        And of course, it’s so simple if there weren’t srach if such delusional articles about the Bolshevik punishers weren’t written. I don’t understand why throwing such nonsense into a difficult time for everyone
                        Someone fap on syphilitic and sausage at 2.20? So let him do it quietly in his Khrushchev, and not throw this garbage into general discussion. But if you throw it, let it get.
                        Bolshevism will no longer pass in Russia!
                        Thank you for the advice and good luck to you. smile
                      8. 0
                        4 March 2015 01: 18
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        And if someone is uncomfortable with Melgunov, then it is difficult not to believe I. Bunin ("The Cursed Days").

                        And why should I unconditionally believe Bunin, and not believe Dmitry Dmitrievich Nagishkin and his book The Heart of Bonivur?
                        I never liked Bunin’s works, except for poetry.
                        And in the summer of the 18th year, Bunin was already in Odessa ...
                      9. +3
                        4 March 2015 03: 01
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        And why should I unconditionally believe Bunin, and not believe Dmitry Dmitrievich Nagishkin and his book The Heart of Bonivur?

                        How about "Old Woman Izergil" by M. Peshkov? "White Guard" M. Bulgakov? And there was also such a gifted writer Gaidar-Golikov. So there is a whole clinic.
                    2. dmb
                      +1
                      3 March 2015 22: 00
                      And here you are in vain, dear Vladlen. I'm about the ban. Of course, the victims of the exam are difficult to break through, but they are slowly starting to think. The more nonsense the interlocutor carries, the easier it is to bring him to clean water, as Bombardir, Erg and in most of his comments Vladikavkaz did. And therefore, no one but us. I would delete offensive comments only in part of obscene language. Laughter kills faster than a bullet, and offenders are usually touchy and short-sighted.
                      1. 0
                        4 March 2015 01: 30
                        Quote: dmb
                        And here you are in vain, dear Vladlen. I'm about the ban.

                        Quote: dmb
                        Laughter kills faster than a bullet, and offenders are usually touchy and short-sighted.

                        Greetings, Dmitry! hi
                        I completely agree with your comment!
                        but it was necessary to troll the enemy a little for the clowning to continue Show Must Go On laughing
                2. +1
                  3 March 2015 19: 31
                  Quote: Aspirin
                  Glyupenky uker laughing and the Petliurites means they handed out the zuckers at the import.


                  And who says that Petlyura is white and fluffy?
                  1. +2
                    3 March 2015 19: 40
                    Oh, whoever I’ve never been byd is still mild. And there is a Ukrainian flag, because I’m from Ukropia (at reg they ask me to put the flag page) recourse
                    It’s not me who transferred my city to the Ukrainian SSR (and Ilyich would have been empty for him), but they’re still rolling a barrel on me)
                    Shorter mind chamber laughing
                    1. +4
                      3 March 2015 19: 44
                      Quote: Landser93
                      It’s not me who transferred my city to the Ukrainian SSR (and Ilyich would have been empty for him), but they’re still rolling a barrel on me)

                      Well it’s necessary to erect a slap on me ....
                      I did not do this ... laughing
                    2. +3
                      3 March 2015 19: 51
                      Quote: Landser93
                      It’s not me who transferred my city to the Ukrainian SSR (and Ilyich would have been empty for him), but they’re still rolling a barrel on me)

                      He was a good man - to distribute lands - so hard acquired - at what cost ... how many people were killed - and here with a light stroke of the pen ... live - he gave, life - he gave.
                    3. +2
                      4 March 2015 00: 39
                      and I dill, and from the west! But for Stalin and Putin! The main thing in history is to understand correctly and to look at current events soberly, and not because not a small part of my compatriots in Ukraine are supporting the bombing of the brothers in the east!
  4. +7
    3 March 2015 06: 57
    I’m watching. in my opinion, a similar picture - "westernized privileged class", "formalization of official Orthodoxy, when the Church became part of the state apparatus" (a similar drift is observed), "This is a huge cultural, educational and material gap between the privileged classes and the masses." (material in our time), "This is a labor issue" (lack of personnel), "This is the need for accelerated industrialization", if you add the absence of a goal for society, not momentary, but constant for its development, then an interesting alignment turns out
    1. +2
      3 March 2015 07: 34
      This is the main problem of the Russian Federation. But with the existing economic model, it cannot be solved in any way. Neither liberal nor patriotic. Therefore, GDP has such a cautious policy. He cannot rush into the maelstrom of war, so as not to repeat the fate of Nika No. 2. But ... as you know, the one who runs away from the war receives it. I would like to hope that brilliant exceptions are possible from this rule, but ...
  5. -1
    3 March 2015 07: 01
    Quote: Gans1234
    What did not stop them, while the cheese is boron confusion, to do their dirty work and raise a putsch, which went down in history as the "great October revolution"

    Again the Bolsheviks are to blame ... and what prevented Kerensky from supporting the Kornilov coup? and the October Revolution would not be ..
    1. -4
      3 March 2015 13: 51
      But nothing that Kerensky and the Bolsheviks but one was? Who armed them in July 17, who let Kerensky calmly leave?
  6. +4
    3 March 2015 07: 04
    In order to draw Russia into the Entente, the British slightly sacrificed their interests ... for they understood that they would take their own and even with a profit ..
  7. +2
    3 March 2015 07: 12
    The article is about nothing! Everything is dumped in a heap, while the myth of the Bolsheviks has not been debunked. "... the agrarian issue, which the reform of 1861 (it even worsened the situation in some respects) and Stolypin's reforms so could not solve it." remember the "shell and rifle hunger", the lack of ammunition, heavy guns, machine guns, ammunition (including boots) and much more "from now on, can you give more details? I also ask the author to expand the topic about the lack of heavy weapons (reason)? The only thing I agree with is that the First World War was not needed by Russia and the union with Germany was very important.
    1. +5
      3 March 2015 08: 00
      smile My friends, history must not be known by slogans or myths, history is facts, documents, real events. The Russian army was not inferior to the French and German armies, the Russian infantry regiment of the 4's battalion (16 company) composition was armed with a machine gun command from the 6 on May 1910 of the year, with Maxim's 8 machine guns. The Germans and the French had six machine guns per 12 regiment of company personnel. Russia met a war with good artillery of small and medium caliber, so the 76-mm divisional gun mod. The 1902 of the year (the basis of the field artillery of the Russian Empire) surpassed the 75-mm rapid-fire French and 77-mm German guns in its combat qualities and was highly appreciated by Russian artillerymen. The Russian infantry division had 48 guns, the Germans 72, the French 36. In Russia, they underestimated the capabilities of heavy artillery, succumbed to the influence of French theories and German misinformation (the Germans actively scolded large-caliber guns in the pre-war period). They realized it late, before the war they adopted a new program, according to which they planned to seriously strengthen the artillery: on the case there should have been 156 guns, of which heavy 24. In 1902, automobile forces appeared in the Russian armed forces. By World War I, the army had more than 3 thousand cars (for example, the Germans had only 83). The Germans underestimated the role of motor transport, they believed that it was necessary only for advanced, reconnaissance units. In 1911, the Imperial Air Force was established. By the beginning of the war, Russia had more than all airplanes - 263, Germany - 232, France - 156, England - 90, Austria-Hungary - 65. Russia was a world leader in the field of construction and use of seaplanes (aircraft of Dmitry Pavlovich Grigorovich). In 1913, the aviation department of the Russian-Baltic Carriage Works in St. Petersburg, under the direction of I. I. Sikorsky, built a four-engine aircraft, Ilya Muromets, the world's first passenger aircraft. After the outbreak of war from the 4's, Ilya Muromtsev created the world's first compound of bombers.
      1. +4
        3 March 2015 08: 25
        Much can be said about the Stolypin reform, but I will remind you that back in the 1970's the gross income of the USSR was compared with the same income of the Russian Empire for the 1913 year. The gross income of all agriculture in 1913 amounted to 52,6% of total gross income. The income of the entire national economy, due to the increase in the value created in agriculture, increased in comparable prices from 1900 to 1913 by 33,8%. Differentiation of types of agricultural production by regions led to an increase in the marketability of agriculture. Three quarters of all industry-processed raw materials came from agriculture. Agricultural commodity turnover increased during the reform period by 46%. By 61% compared to 1901-1905, agricultural exports increased in the prewar years. Russia was the largest producer and exporter of bread and flax, a number of livestock products. So, in 1910, the export of Russian wheat amounted to 36,4% of total world exports. In the period under review, socio-economic conditions were created for the transition to a new stage of agrarian transformations - the transformation of agriculture into a capital-intensive technologically advanced sector of the economy. So the myth of a backward, unwashed, wild Russia is falling apart! And note, not a single slogan, not a single theory about the Great UkroRossii. hi
        1. +5
          3 March 2015 10: 36
          Serg65
          And again a spectacular blooper, why are you repeating a set of myths of liberal evil spirits that have already lied to the whole country once?
          Compare and see where you draw your nonsense, along with a certain Oreshkin and others like him
          http://maxpark.com/user/1909266158/content/542960
          The technology of "making" camouflaged lies shows itself quite well when liberals try to compare the results of Soviet agriculture with American or pre-revolutionary Russian.
          So, for example, the article by V. Demyanenko (“World Economy and International Relations,” 2001, No. 8) states the following: in 1913, about 86 million tons of grain were collected in Russia, and 540 kg per capita. The source is not indicated, but similar figures for the collection of grain are also found in other liberals. Here the thimble made two changes. Firstly, he noted the grain harvest of the Russian Empire, however, when calculating the amount of grain collected per capita, Russia expelled Poland and Finland from the Empire. All this was done so that in the future, comparing tsarist Russia and the USSR, they came to the conclusion that the successes of the USSR in agriculture were insignificant. Indeed, the article claims that only by 1960 the USSR, for the production of agricultural products - then the average per capita grain production in the USSR according to the thimble, was 585 kg - exceeded the level of Russia in 1913. In fact, the pre-revolutionary level of the USSR was already blocked on the way to 1937. Secondly, he compared the harvests of grain, to a certain extent having different structures. So, the 1913 harvest of 86 million tons is about 20% of oats, which, as a rule, went to feed livestock, especially horses. But in Soviet times, "fuel" for the "iron horses" were diesel fuel and gasoline. If you do not correlate a person with a mare and exclude oats from his diet, then the comparison of the agriculture of that Russia and the Soviet Union should, first of all, be carried out taking into account the production of the “four main loaves” - wheat, rye, corn and barley. As the well-known statistical reference “Russia. 1913 ”, in 1913 in Russia 4203 million poods (68,8 million tons) of four main loaves were collected, and in terms of one soul - about 393 kg. Obviously, with that achievement of that Russia, a comparison of its agriculture with the Soviet one becomes redundant.
          1. +5
            3 March 2015 14: 40
            vladkavkaz ... Vlad, you gave interesting data, I just dare to note that my father ate swan in the 34th, and the first tractor on the collective farm "Krasny Put" of the Kuraginsky district that appeared near Minusinsk in 1938, and for the first time on the workdays of wheat the family I received my father in the 39th, and in 1961, food cards were introduced, and in the 70s for butter, sausage and canned food, my father and I from the city of Suvorov, Tula Region, on Sundays went to Moscow for 320 km and for milk in this the city stood in line for two hours. Due to the fact that only the chairman, chief accountant, head of the warehouse and a couple of three attendants remained in the collective farms of the Suvorov district, from the 4th grade I spent the whole autumn as part of school brigades in the fields participating in the collection of potatoes ... and you tell me about the "iron horses " laughing
            1. +1
              3 March 2015 16: 46
              Serg65
              The fact that your dad, like many, didn’t prosper in those years, does not mean that everything was exceptionally bad. It could not be otherwise. The story has already taken place as it happened, and no matter how hard you tried it remake, from the heights of the new century, not understanding what was done then in precisely those conditions, you get -FANTASIES at the output, and the smelling ones are not too good.
              The tractor first appeared in 1938, SO THEY appeared in SOVIET RUSSIA, and Yupotop, as a guide, rebuilt tractor and car factories, which were not mentioned in the first place.
              The capacity of the farm, what is it, why be surprised that suddenly, everywhere, the tratkor did not appear in the required quantity?
              How tired of you with your liberal stories and the gaze of completely blinded people ...
              In 90, such as you yelled, WHY so many tractors for the country !!! And here, oh, not enough .. well thinking .. well freaks ..

              The memories are different, but many of those who remember the pre-war time say, by 1940, the country lived normally. And in the same, ONE of the REASONS is why the West started the WAR.

              You are now leaning on 1961 — and I told you something — Khrushchev, a Trotskyite-poor man, completely abandoned the theory and practice of building precisely socialism in the country, and not a parody of it with Trotskyist elements and the gradual replacement of IDEAS as such, mercantile manners of the philistines -the full belly is deaf to everything.
              And your fairy tales are already tired of you, that they went to Moscow for 400 miles for milk, who is this nonsense for?

              Harvesting, eka trouble, broke or what?
              Something I don’t remember, so that picking an apple crop on a collective farm, one of my fellow students was very worried that he was supposedly forced to work.
              You are the keyboard sufferer of those who are always ill.
            2. -2
              3 March 2015 17: 22
              Quote: Serg65
              and in the 70s, I went with my father from the city of Suvorov in the Tula Region on Moscow for 320 km on Sundays for butter, sausage and canned goods and stood in line for two hours in milk in the same city.

              Vraki !!!!!!!!!! In the 70s everything was in grocery stores! All the more so in the village "SELPO", not to mention the stores "KOOPTORGA".
              Quote: Serg65
              there were only the chairman, chief accountant, warehouse manager and a couple of three grandmothers, from the 4th grade I spent the whole autumn as part of school teams in the fields participating in the collection of potatoes .... and you tell me about "iron horses

              If you had a couple of babboks and a chairman in your village, then those schoolchildren who "hunched over" on the endless collective farm fields came from the chairman laughing
              And now the dream of your whole collective farm life has come true - "Chevrolet Lanos". Glory to the President wink
        2. +3
          3 March 2015 16: 41
          Quote: Serg65
          ... And mind you, not a single slogan, not a single theory about the Great UkroRossii. hi

          Thank you - smart arguments, facts!
      2. +1
        3 March 2015 10: 25
        Serg65
        How loudly, about the knowledge of history and immediately such a DLNP about the superiority of aviation and in the Republic of Ingushetia over all the warring powers.
        To all your commentary right away, a huge MINUS, for trying to sweeten a pill that is bitter and inedible, the Army of the Republic of Ingushetia turned out to be NOT READY for war.
        http://topwar.ru/61951-voyna-tylov.html
      3. +3
        3 March 2015 10: 28
        In total, during the war Russia was able to produce only 3500 aircraft, while France, Great Britain and Germany built about 50 aircraft each (see table). At the same time, Russian-built airplanes turned out to be obsolete. Such results of the aircraft factories forced the government to resort to overseas orders, mainly in France. The Russian economy, already weakened by the war, carried an additional burden. At the same time, the Russian Air Force sorely lacked trained pilots: pre-war schools could not meet the demand of an ever-growing army.
      4. bombardir
        +1
        3 March 2015 15: 22
        Quote: Serg65
        My friends, history must not be known by slogans or myths, history is facts, documents, real events
        Absolutely.

        The Russian army was not inferior to the French and German armies
        From August 1914 to December 1915, 6 people were called up. They turned 290 rifles - one rifle for four people. The masses of unarmed reinforcements thrown to the front in 000 only reduced the combat effectiveness of the army, immensely increasing its bloody losses and enemy trophies.

        In the fall of 1915, in the rear units one rifle fell on ten soldiers, and on the front - for two. The situation on the Northern and Western fronts was especially bad, as they suffered the most severe losses during the retreat. In the IX Army Corps of the 3rd Army, for example, rifles had only the first battalions of regiments. In January 1916, according to Headquarters, in the armies of the Western Front, out of 754 combatant 000 — more than a third of all soldiers — were unarmed. We can safely assume that out of a total of 268 fighters, only about 000 were armed. And since each of the 1 Austro-Germans counted by General Alekseev [732] had a rifle or carbine, it should be assumed that the number of “bayonets” in the infantry and in the enemy was the same, with the opponents doubled in light and quadruple - in heavy artillery.

        In total, in the Russian army in the second year of the war, there were 35 different systems of rifles and carbines. There were regiments and even companies where two, three, or even four different samples were in service.

        In September, the rearmament of the infantry of the Northern Front with Japanese rifles began, which lasted until the spring of 1916 (the three-line freedmen were transferred to the Western Front). The hastily issued instruction for firing from Japanese rifles made gross errors, with the correction of which the Headquarters was in no hurry. The sights of these rifles were cut in Japanese measures and in Japanese numbers. Amendments to the careless instruction, drawn up in a timely manner, were put “under the cloth” in the Headquarters. Throughout the winter of 1915/16, our Northern Front fired into the air, over the heads of the enemy ...

        A.A. Kersnovsky. History of the Russian army http://militera.lib.ru/h/kersnovsky1/15a.html
    2. -3
      3 March 2015 09: 55
      The article is not just about anything. The author deliberately plays on the patriotic feelings of readers and deliberately unites the concepts of the Bolsheviks (i.e. the USSR) and Lenin. And these concepts need to be clearly separated from each other. I am not used to insulting people, but towards the author I have the most unflattering epithets. I suspect that this is a terry liberal.
      1. +3
        3 March 2015 10: 41
        Cresta999
        Why do you constantly lie? From ignorance7From the tendency to believe all quasi and pseudo-learned, from the desire of a masochist to humiliate your own past?
        But this is what you are doing, in need of a liberal handful of fraudsters. And why, it is said here.
        http://www.eifgaz.ru/titenko.htm
        You even managed to slander the author of the article ... it’s already the receiver from the collection of Dr. Goebbels, who bequeathed this to his heirs, lie, lie as much as possible, no matter that you lie, let something remain ...
        1. 0
          3 March 2015 13: 25
          Quote: vladkavkaz
          From ignorance7

          All the troubles now and in general from poor education :-)
      2. bombardir
        0
        3 March 2015 15: 31
        Quote: Cresta999
        consciously unites the concepts of the Bolsheviks (i.e. the USSR) and Lenin. And these concepts must be clearly separated from each other.
        The split of the RSDLP into Bolsheviks and Mensheviks occurred at the II Congress of the RSDLP (1903). At this congress, two main groups of delegates stood out: supporters of Lenin and supporters of Yu.O. Martova ...
        In the elections to the party’s governing bodies (the Central Committee and the Iskra newspaper), Lenin’s supporters got the majority, and Martov’s supporters got the minority ...
        After winning the vote, Lenin called his supporters "Bolsheviks", after which Martov called his supporters "Mensheviks." (wiki)

        “You know that we Bolsheviks are accustomed to going against the current, and I, as a Bolshevik, want to say today about a man who, although he died, will live forever in history. I want to say about the man who raised us, taught , sometimes scolded, sometimes praised, who made us human - about Lenin.
        It was he, Lenin, who taught us to work the way the Bolsheviks should work, without fear and without stopping at any difficulties, to work the way Lenin did. We are his shadow, his chicks and disciples. It would be false modesty on my part to say that we, the current leaders of the party and government, have done nothing, we have no achievements. We also have successes, but we owe all of this to Lenin "(JV Stalin Speech at a reception in the Kremlin by participants in the decade of Tajik art)
  8. +5
    3 March 2015 08: 18
    Only our sovereign power and intellectuals who are against science say that the tsar was overthrown by the Bolsheviks, which once again confirms the level of education and culture of our "elite", all professionalism crumbled from the crisis, which is only due to the fault of our power, they do not know history, to manage the economy they do not know how, but their main job is to SAW THE BUDGET, here they are academicians.
  9. +1
    3 March 2015 08: 22
    Well, of course. The saints, generally the best, are not to blame for anything. At the very beginning, they were no worse than today's junta. Yes, even worse, the royal family to bang, it does not fit in my head. Anarchy was going on, and this was presented by them as good. Yes, right in the street, in broad daylight, they could kill police officers and other servicemen. In any case, it was not necessary to do massacre of a noble family. There are many ways to get along. But what are the ways? There was already animal burn, cruelty and an orgy of death. The revolutionaries are all on one person, and there can be no exception.
    1. +2
      3 March 2015 09: 34
      Quote: AlexDARK
      Yes, even worse, the royal family to bang, it does not fit in my head.

      Yes, yes, and the workers in the Lena goldfields to shoot this thing is common, right?
      1. +3
        3 March 2015 10: 44
        saag (
        Judging by the cries of such AlexDARK, they are all without exception convinced that in those days, they all consisted exclusively of the "noble" estates, forgetting the reality that very many, most of the times of the Union that are now finding fault, in those days were just from the very bottom and only that Union, so hated by them, gave them the opportunity to become what they became ...
        1. -3
          3 March 2015 13: 57
          Not a few workers and peasants fought on the side of the whites, the same Izhevsk division.
          And on the side of the Reds?))) It was the Russian workers in the form of Latvian and Finnish riflemen, the Chinese revolutionary battalion (should you throw their photos from Odessa ?, by the way, they are noble Sadists) and the mountain detachments of the Cossacks stranglers (Chechens Ingush and other "workers" are very willingly went to kill for gold)
        2. +1
          3 March 2015 16: 47
          Quote: vladkavkaz
          ... Union, gave them the opportunity to poke those who they became ...

          Do not confuse the concept of the Union and the Bolsheviks at the beginning of this whole Kotovasia - these are different things.
          1. +1
            3 March 2015 19: 55
            RrrJ (1)
            Do you even understand what you are writing? What about?
      2. -2
        3 March 2015 13: 54
        My favorite argument against scoops)))
        After the victory of Bronstein’s power, and syphilitics, oh, I apologize to the workers and peasants, the same mine where the workers were shot under the tsar, was given a concession to the same British company that shot the workers, namely Lena Goldfields laughing
        As Khokhly-zrad would say wassat
        1. bombardir
          +2
          3 March 2015 15: 37
          Quote: Landser93
          My favorite argument
          Since yesterday, you can’t explain in any way what, in fact, the argument.
          1. -3
            3 March 2015 16: 18
            laughing Lenin was so "worried" about the Russian workers that he gave the same company that workers and then placed the same concession for use under a condition of 90 to 10 not in favor of the USSR, as you understood). The result of the Bolsheviks was sent from the West for the destruction of Russia (or rather redistribution of it) and its robbery.
            Well, you know better Moysha Sverdlov and Ulyanov, all my life in the factories they plowed for 12 hours, they know better how the workers
            1. bombardir
              0
              3 March 2015 17: 48
              Quote: Landser93
              Lenin was so "worried" about the Russian workers that he gave it to the same firm
              For God's sake - you explain to me what the argument is.
              An argument is some kind of proof given in relation to some topic. If we were arguing about which is better - the Romanov government or the Leninist one, then this "argument" would be an argument saying that the Romanov government in this respect is not worse than the Lenin one.

              So what's the argument?
  10. -1
    3 March 2015 08: 44
    Of course, "bald" and his red guys, under the leadership of the West, destroyed the Great and Mighty Russian Empire, this is obvious!
    1. +1
      3 March 2015 10: 45
      YaMZ-238
      Did the engine get a fist of friendship?
      thought for a long time, dear, when he wrote what he wrote?
      At least I looked at the history of the creation of the YaMZ, but I’ve learned, had it not been for Lenin, hadn’t been for the Union, and you, in essence, could have not existed at all.
  11. +4
    3 March 2015 09: 00
    The Russian Empire was an archaic agrarian state and it is pointless to argue with this. Perhaps if Russia got a normal tsar, the country could evolve, but here you need a man like Stalin, another person simply cannot cope with this. Moreover, there were territories in Russia that were completely foreign on the body. countries like Poland or Finland, which allowed ardent Russophobes like Czartoryski, sorry for the expression "pooping on our heads for our own money." And the fact that the country was destroyed by the Bolsheviks, this, as they say, is already schizophrenia. They certainly did not break up the empire with this successfully the Liberal Democrats did it ...
    1. -6
      3 March 2015 15: 44
      Quote: Standard Oil
      The Russian Empire was an archaic agrarian state and there is no point in arguing with this.
      The Russian empire is not archaic, it is just different. A strong leader is not a necessity, but a need. A European politician, such as Nicholas II or Kerensky, cannot rule the former Mongol empire of Genghis Khan. Just like states like Poland or Finland cannot harmoniously exist inside such a state.
  12. +3
    3 March 2015 09: 14
    Liked about the "electronic concentration camp". Causes many analogies. The author is a plus.
  13. 0
    3 March 2015 09: 45
    Adherence to any myths (statements of descendants who did not participate in the events described) has long been a sign of an inborn marasmic need for self-identification.
  14. +1
    3 March 2015 10: 06
    Ah Russia ... Russia ... again you are drawn to the Bolsheviks. Apparently the vaccine was weak. All
    these endless attempts to justify the Bolsheviks recently, frankly already tired. The white and furry Bolsheviks didn’t do anything wrong ... There was no red terror, there was almost no complete destruction of the church, food surpluses, which were the result of a wretched Leninist economic policy followed by famine that affected entire regions, and subsequently turned into peasant uprisings severely suppressed in style Bolsheviks, there was no stupid division of the country into national republics and the consequences of which we are now reaping and other acts. Beauty ... It seems that all those who so want to whitewash the Bolsheviks and, apparently, create an opportunity to return such power are going to observe all similar processes from the outside ... It will not work. Someone’s bones will have to fertilize the earth and not the fact that these will be the bones of only enemies.
    1. +4
      3 March 2015 10: 52
      saveall
      It turns out there was no Kolchakism and seed production .. there were no terrifying atrocities of the British on the Mudyug, there were no Japanese, Americans on the Far East, the Cossacks Shkuro and Mamantova did not rage, with Krasnov in the Voronezh and Oryol provinces ... with a convoy of loot of 40 versts.
      All White, exceptionally white and furry, gentlemen with high moral principles, hanging peasants and workers, simply because of boredom, because ...

      You managed, from 90, to fertilize quite a bit of land in Russia, who left them with bones up to a century .. someone with starvation, who are in gang warfare, who have disappeared in brothels, who have turned their backs on vodka and Vodkit-YOU GOT.
      You succeeded in buying up the EARTH again and abandoning it untidy, YOU succeeded in destroying all the most promising Factories, you succeeded, ALMOST succeeded ... The non-existence of Russia.
      So it’s not a fact that you won’t be remembered or presented with this, you have to pay for everything.
      Nemtsov, your spiritual leader, is already an indicator of how life ends, of a person who is an absolutely useless country.
      1. -4
        3 March 2015 11: 23
        Where did you see me defending the White Guards? Or interventionists? Is it in your imagination only? All that you called was just the result of the coming to power of the Bolsheviks and the destruction of the country. It always happens ... When the Bolsheviks came and the country plunged into chaos, and then the USSR collapsed and the same thing happened. There is nothing to justify Democrats for as well as the Bolsheviks.
        And then Nemtsov? I have nothing to do with him and I am not his fan.
        1. +4
          3 March 2015 12: 14
          saveall
          You correct or cross or tighten the pants, do you know such an expression?
          Not as an insult, but as an indication of what’s in your head, it’s a mess connected with a complete misunderstanding of the issue you are trying to discuss.
          Go to school .. repeat the study material, at the same time the calendar and at the same time memorize the dates when, who and how, under what slogans sought to leave RI.
          Otherwise, you study a spherical vacuum based on a cubic understanding of fluid flows in zero gravity.
          And if you do not know this, then better keep silent.
    2. -9
      3 March 2015 14: 05
      This is pulled by scoops in which nostalgia for youth is that your table and sausage are at 2.20. Young people in a pine nationalized and it’s wonderful! wink . Take a look at the tighter Novorossia, the young are mostly at war with the imperials and Russian national flags, and the nationalists Zhuchkovsky and so on are collecting a million rubles to the Russian uprising. So scoops can only howl at forums and gather rallies of 1,5 pensioners, in a couple of 10 years they will not go to the State Duma, they will become marginalized, what they were and where they are worth it !!!
      Or maybe after a Russian review of history, communism will be banned altogether (God forbid)
      So everything will be fine, young people do not catch this nonsense of the old syphilit. Viva victory!
      1. -1
        3 March 2015 16: 30
        Quote: Landser93
        So everything will be fine, young people do not catch this nonsense of the old syphilit. Viva victory!


        As does not catch nonsense and lamentations of today's commies.
      2. -7
        3 March 2015 16: 39
        Quote: Landser93
        . Viva victory!
        1. +3
          3 March 2015 17: 41
          RUSS
          Hmm .. what "victory"?
          I remember such posters in use were that of the Belys, that of the Krasnov ss-Cossacks, that of the Vlasovites, are these your heroes?
          Uh .... Well, and what do you think, you with such fervor, opposing yourself to the majority of the people, will last long?

          Your Chubais, foreseeing that it smells not just fried. Juno and something else, such as a tie from the corresponding rope, has already sung completely different songs ..

          Should you think about what kind of "victory", you are here, fans of bely.Krasnovtsev, Vlosvtsev and other rabble, raskazyvaete fairy tales.
        2. +3
          3 March 2015 18: 14
          Quote: RUSS
          RUSS

          You have a sect star on your avatar. I can’t understand which one?
          1. +1
            3 March 2015 18: 23
            Quote: DRA-88
            You have a sect star on your avatar. I can’t understand which one?


            Is this a spit in the symbolism of today's army?
    3. bombardir
      +3
      3 March 2015 16: 17
      Quote: saveall
      Oh Russia ... Russia ... again you are drawn to the Bolsheviks
      Let's hope.

      There was no red terror
      There was: they abolished the legalized extortion, they shot back, and the worst thing - they proclaimed the principle "who does not work, he does not eat" and put it into practice. Horror.

      there was almost complete destruction of the church
      Quite right - it wasn’t, enlightenment tried to act (foolishly of course)

      surplus app
      Well, how was it? They were already from December 1916.

      which were the result of a wretched economic Leninist policy followed by famine affecting entire regions
      Everything mixed up in the house of Oblomskys ...
      When did Lenin die? And when was the famine?

      and subsequently turned into peasant uprisings hard suppressed in the style of the Bolsheviks
      Well, here you are definitely flattering the Bolsheviks: before the cruelty of the imperial punishers, the Bolsheviks were like cancer before you in China.

      there was no stupid division of the country into national republics and the consequences of which we are now
      Now we are reaping the fruits of the ideas of the Februaryists - capitalism.
      As for the stupid breakdown, it ceases to seem stupid as soon as you put yourself in the place of national minorities - for example, imagine China to have grown to the borders of Ukraine and Belarus, you represent Russia as a republic within China that does not have its own legislation, and you imagine yourself forced to live according to Chinese rules.

      It seems that all those who so want to whitewash the Bolsheviks
      Why whitewash them? A simple example - smallpox in Russia was eliminated by 1936 (the beginning of vaccination in 1919). Mortality from smallpox at the beginning of the 20th century is 50 people per 100 thousand - 2.5 times more than in Spain, which occupied the 2nd place, and 50 times more than in Europe as a whole. In Europe, smallpox vaccination has been carried out since 1800. In Russia for 100 years only the bloody Bolsheviks took care.
      1. 0
        3 March 2015 22: 40
        When I read about the "bloody" Bolsheviks who destroyed Great Russia with a great future .. already sick .. Well, first of all .. Lenin and Trotsky did not accept the tsar's abdication wink Budyonny with Kotovsky, the king was not arrested ... wink During the entire reign of Nicholas II, not a single large hydroelectric power station was built, they tried to build the Dnieper hydroelectric power station under the tsar, they began to buy out the land, but the landowners inflated prices so much that they abandoned everything, that's what I mean ... they say that the Bolsheviks implemented the old-regime GOERLO plan, so that's the difference is that the Bolsheviks were able to realize, tsarist Russia did not ... Further, under the cover of "good" whites, the Entente plundered Russia ... Forgot the Genoa conference ... at which the Entente presented a bill to Soviet Russia, they say you should awesome, to which the Soviet delegation replied, and you destroyed and plundered a lot more .. Return the stolen, let's talk about debts .. But this and not only this .. our liberals prefer not to remember .. I support your position .. hi
        1. +4
          3 March 2015 22: 55
          Quote: parusnik
          When I read about the "bloody" Bolsheviks who destroyed Great Russia with a great future .. already sick.

          Why delve into "the affairs of bygone days"?
          Take, for example, the notorious I. Farion. This person managed to visit both the nomenklatura of the CPSU and a member of the "Party of Regions". Today it is impossible to find a Russophobia worse (in appearance) ...
          And now let us remember where the first echelon of the Bolsheviks "disappeared" by the mid-30s of the last century. Both civilian and military.
          Figures such as Bronstein-Trotsky about building up did not even think. And what about the "favorite of the party Bukharchik" with his slogan "Get rich!" To mention Tukhachevsky and Uborevich?
          Many similar examples can be given. But the point is not in the belonging of any party, but in a person’s personal position, in his passionarity.
          And this, as it is basking, is a completely different story.
  15. -5
    3 March 2015 10: 06
    And what did the Bolsheviks do with the tsarist empire? What did the civil war with Russia do? Wasn't that the destruction of the country? Yes, another empire was built on the wreckage, but the fact of the destruction of tsarist Russia in person is also a historical fact.
    1. +2
      3 March 2015 10: 53
      Arktidianets
      Do you like the History, as you know, or so, at the top, starting with ignorance of the calendar by which you have October, before February?
      1. -1
        3 March 2015 11: 24
        The February and October revolutions are the thread of the same chain, only the naive believe that the October revolution was caused by the consequences of the February revolution.
        1. +2
          3 March 2015 12: 16
          Arktidianets
          Another follower of the study of spherical vacuum based on a cubic understanding of fluid flows in zero gravity.
          1. -1
            3 March 2015 16: 54
            Quote: vladkavkaz
            Another follower of the study of spherical vacuum based on a cubic understanding of fluid flows in zero gravity.

            And you can only - rubbish - instead of normal arguments.
            1. +3
              3 March 2015 16: 58
              RrrJ (1)
              It seems like a kind of expert drew here?
              Well, where are your arguments, facts, against what I have stated?
              Also Another follower of the study of spherical vacuum based on a cubic understanding of fluid flows in zero gravity?
              Try switching the D toggle switch to the OFF position, gather, undoubtedly, a powerful intellect in a heap and try to say something reasonable. I read, appreciate, answer.
              1. -3
                3 March 2015 17: 16
                Quote: vladkavkaz
                Also Another follower of the study of spherical vacuum based on a cubic understanding of fluid flows in zero gravity?

                These are your facts and arguments chtoli? Um - smart to say - I can't even answer anything recourse - and mine are written above - you can read - I do not want to repeat myself.
                1. -2
                  3 March 2015 17: 23
                  They mentally sent you the Cheka and picked up the rifle.
                  I wonder how many of the ardent Communists moved to their apartment khanig? Or how many of them gave their country house to needy peasants?)
                  In words, all such communists, but do not live in a commune, but in their house or apartment laughing
                  Ayyy comrade peasants laughing
                  1. -2
                    3 March 2015 17: 32
                    Quote: Landser93
                    They mentally sent you the Cheka

                    Here, half are still still like children, all the Chikists have not played enough, for example, they have already written me down as enemies of the people, only the little red ones don’t want to understand how their time has passed, they have no leader and no support from the people.
                    1. -4
                      3 March 2015 17: 49
                      You can look through the history of my messages, according to the leftists and the spp sect, I’m already a millionaire, because I’ve paid so many 100500 columns that I can go to Hawaii, right now, I can share with you, CIA agent, friend and comrade to the CIA agent wassat
                      2) Do not say so they (left-handed ones) will come together and show their turn in line for paying for a communal apartment in Sberbank laughing
                      1. -1
                        3 March 2015 21: 46
                        Quote: Landser93
                        You can look through the history of my messages, according to the leftists and the sect of the KhPP sect, I’m already a millionaire, because I paid so many 100500 colon that I can go to Hawaii


                        So soon they will definitely come for you, dispossessed laughing
                      2. 0
                        3 March 2015 21: 50
                        In order to come to dispossess them, it is necessary to destroy the Ukrainian SSR, and not to destroy the post-Soviet world for scoops (Ukraine said Lavrov’s partners, but our new hetman is a better chance for the Ukrainian people, again his quote). Although this is not easier for me, your scoops then collect 1,5 people at rallies of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and fight on the internet, and our heirs of Petrlyura (be it not okay) are more aggressive.
                  2. +1
                    3 March 2015 17: 42
                    smile For Gorbachev, it is necessary to expel - and not for me - who destroyed the system - let him answer)) In general, the USSR was good - you can’t argue — but it was the early mistakes of the Bolsheviks — that’s the catch — which the article praises, or rather, the mistakes themselves not taken into account - all in scarlet color practically.
                    Of course I respect the firmness of the members of the forum - this is our spirit - yes ... - but still you can’t be such a conservative - you need to glance sideways - and suddenly that side is also true ...
                  3. +3
                    3 March 2015 17: 46
                    Landser93
                    And who said that Soviet people should not have lived in apartments or houses? YOU?
                    So judging by the foolish things here, the source of your undoubtedly broadest knowledge lies in the plane of some Neo-Bandera delights, such as the ancient Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea, and the RUSSIAN Mountain, that is, Hoverla, was changed in the name.
                    1. -3
                      3 March 2015 18: 31
                      Stop, so everything in common in the 20s went exactly to this, common wives, common communes, common families, children are taken out of the family and brought up by society, there is no money, etc., etc., this is utopia, I agree, but I didn’t come up with it )
                      1. +2
                        3 March 2015 19: 26
                        Landser93
                        Another blooper?
                        Please allow a source, your BLIND, on the subject of common wives and other things.
                        Will the answer be?
                      2. +2
                        3 March 2015 19: 58
                        Landser93
                        Well, time is up, you still haven’t found an argument confirming wow trepology.
                        But this, my argument, cannot be disputed by you, is based on a HISTORICAL document, and not on your fiction and history on quasi-history.

                        Despite the revision of a number of theses of Marx, in this the Bolsheviks did not depart for a moment. But what then are the stories wandering from book to book about the introduction of decrees of free love, the nationalization of women into civilian? History is attributed either to the Bolsheviks or to the anarchists (without forgetting to blame the Bolsheviks anyway). As A. Velidov convincingly shows 9) these stories are based on the “Decree on the abolition of private ownership of women” printed in Samara by a certain M. Uvarov. This “decree” was a fake, “What purpose did Uvarov pursue by writing his“ decree ”? Did he want to ridicule the nihilism of the anarchists in matters of family and marriage, or did he consciously try to restore the wide sections of the population against them? Unfortunately, it’s already impossible to find out. ” Enraged anarchists defeated the teahouse where the libel was the owner, killed him, issued proclamations explaining that they had nothing to do with this. Late. Pasquille went for a walk around the country. It was reprinted by dozens, if not hundreds of newspapers. And in vain did the Bolsheviks refute and launder.

                        Those. in other words, you are a LIAR.

                        http://wiki.istmat.info/миф:обобществление_жён
                2. -1
                  3 March 2015 17: 44
                  I do not consider MMMM e as some kind of argument, mooing is not a conversation of people.
                  And everything else, try again, turn on your undoubtedly developed brains, read something new, and then, without mmmmm e, bbbb .. try to say something.
                  You have neither facts nor arguments.
                  Can you?
                  The time has gone.
                  1. +1
                    3 March 2015 18: 04
                    Well, listen to me - I wrote everything I wanted above - everything is easy as three rubles - chewed for schoolchildren, without any stupid numbers for marketing (for those who don’t know - Ctrl + F in the browser, enter my nickname, look for and read my arguments - if you don’t want to) climb in PM).
                    And so I say - it’s ugly to look for flaws, and a normal language - mm - means I think I don’t know what to answer.
                    I'll parry you - your words are like nonsense of a schizophrenic (memorized), namely: Also Another follower of the study of spherical vacuum based on a cubic understanding of fluid flows in zero gravity?
                    + You first started - do not be offended hi .
                    + I ask you not to put cons without arguments - I don’t even put forward arguments, if this contradicts my idea - everyone has the right to their idea - plus - yes - well, if I like it, I will put it.
                    1. +2
                      3 March 2015 18: 37
                      Rrrj (
                      Phrase-Also-Another follower of the study of spherical vacuum based on a cubic understanding of fluid flows in zero gravity?

                      THIS phrase accurately reflects the "arguments" of the riotous quasi-historians and most of those who, in the event of a grandiose nix, will immediately take the side of the force that will stand against RUSSIA, are you able to understand this?

                      Second, you cannot sit on two chairs, as you do, read your own arguments again, you are in a storm, and if you lose your orientation, you simply don’t understand where the shore and salvation are, and where the reef and death.

                      Third, my arguments are under every minus posed by me.

                      And finally the fourth one, http: //maxpark.com/community/7016/content/3324539
                      read and correlate your comments with those you support here, understand for yourself who you belong to.
                      I and people like me, in this article, defend the HISTORY as it happened, and not the fantasies of quasi-historians insisted on the myths that were long gone bad and poisoned people 25 years ago and are being reanimated now.

                      Look at Ukraine, read what your "comrade-in-arms" Landser93 writes and think about what his calls and the LIES he writes here.
                      1. 0
                        3 March 2015 19: 03
                        Secondly - I found good words on your own website: "A true patriot does not turn away from the unpleasant truth, because he believes that any history lessons are useful." It is you who deny the bad facts - and present everything in pink. And I do not turn away - I agree - yes there were bad things, not very good personalities, but there were also good things.
                        I repeat again (tired of repeating myself): 1) I am against praising Ulyanov’s heroic personality; 2) I am for the great country that the USSR was, and which the Russian Empire was — it was our peoples who were able to create such a large and great country, and not Ulyanov.
                      2. 0
                        3 March 2015 20: 03
                        Rrrj
                        This is not my site, if that, but the fact is that you, here, have misinterpreted what was said.
                        You persistently insist on a lie, not wanting to bother your brains.
                        You are stubbornly repeating the propaganda paradigm that exists today, you have a comment about this to which you did not have the strength or the mind to answer, because it beats all your constructions on a tumble.
                        Even in the last line, your opus answer and then, let’s say foolish writings, let’s say, you point blank are trying to not see the obvious fact, FEBRUARY, destroyed the Empire, OCTOBER, restored, by 1945 in full with the increment of lands, which you will find big Google ... however, I will indicate, LOST by Nikolai 2, the lands of Sakhalin and the islands, Tuva.
                      3. 0
                        3 March 2015 20: 18
                        Yes, I mentioned - that the interim government was pulling a blanket over itself - framed the king, and they themselves blew it - which I am generally glad for - since the pure bourgeoisie has gathered in the interim government.
                        October is not quite - just an attempt to find a solution common to most.
                      4. -1
                        3 March 2015 23: 23
                        OCTOBER, it is not common for everyone, but specific for the majority of the WORKING population.
                        If you like, the attempt of the age-old aspirations of the people to find the best structure of their life, without the world-eaters and blood-suckers-burials.

                        It is no coincidence here in this article, the screeching of neo-whites, they understand how the next October may end for them, if only because of that unparalleled arrogance in the case of robbery of the overwhelming majority of the country's population, from prices to any "services" such as housing and communal services.

                        Chubais's cry, they say, uh, guys, let's live together, UNDERSTANDS Rusty, what he personally threatens to come to power, a nationally oriented government, and even with a course towards socialism, many are already fussing, packing chumadans and screaming something about "ungrateful people" and their misunderstood vanity, allegedly for the good of the people ...
                        Appreciated for 25 years, their vanity, shallow thieves ..
    2. +3
      3 March 2015 11: 13
      Quote: Arctidian
      And what did the Bolsheviks do with the tsarist empire? What did the civil war with Russia do? Wasn't that the destruction of the country? Yes, another empire was built on the wreckage, but the fact of the destruction of tsarist Russia in person is also a historical fact.

      What did the February Revolution do with the country? (one order number 1 is worth)
      Why was the October "coup" organized and carried out by Trotsky (the protégé of the American bankers)?
    3. +1
      3 March 2015 18: 27
      Quote: Arctidian
      And what did the Bolsheviks do with the tsarist empire? What did the civil war with Russia do?

  16. +4
    3 March 2015 10: 58
    "German spy" Lenin, with the money of their General Staff, made a revolution in Russia.
    Question to the liberals - And who made the revolution in 1918 (also in November) in Germany?

    As an answer, Lenin repaid the loan with interest.



    Quote: Arctidian
    And what did the Bolsheviks do with the tsarist empire? What did the civil war with Russia do? Wasn't that the destruction of the country? Yes, another empire was built on the wreckage, but the fact of the destruction of tsarist Russia in person is also a historical fact.


    It was not, this is the salvation of the country. Even. if Russia could resist then, in 20 years. world rats (Britain and France) would push RI with Germany.
    And without those reforms (and RI was not capable of this), we would not have won the Second World War and Russia would have disappeared.
  17. +4
    3 March 2015 10: 59
    Both the revolution and the February and October (they were called coups) - links in the same chain for the destruction of historical Russia, which after the war could become the leading power of the world. But the country (the USSR) survived, got stronger and began again to pose a threat to enemies (external and internal), the next link is 91-th year. And again we did not give up - there is another link ahead.
    1. +4
      3 March 2015 11: 23
      Quote: Victor Yasinsky
      Both the revolution and the February and October (they were called coups) - links in the same chain for the destruction of historical Russia, which after the war could become the leading power of the world. But the country (the USSR) survived, got stronger and began again to pose a threat to enemies (external and internal), the next link is 91-th year. And again we did not give up - there is another link ahead.

      And to add: Glory (king, emperor, president, chieftain, leader, etc.).
      You missed 27, 33, 35-37, 41-45, 47, 49, 53-56, 72-91, 98
    2. +1
      3 March 2015 11: 30
      Viktor Yasinsky
      Well .. well, the cognitive DISSONANCE "the Bolsheviks destroyed the Republic of Ingushetia, BUT the USSR held out and got stronger" .. you at least give your brain an attempt to think, and not say phrases that just give out about nothing in you, a person who does not want to understand question, but wanting to shout something?
      "The next link - 91st year. And again we did not give up - there is another link ahead." - Stunned .. in a bend with a skid .. And in that case, it was -91, and then 92?
      Is it not the surrender of all geopolitical and geographical acquisitions of many generations?
      1. +1
        3 March 2015 12: 13
        Yes, the Bolsheviks, following the liberals, took the most active part in the destruction of historical Russia. But the historical memory of the people and, most importantly, faith, could not be destroyed. A leader appeared who realized the perniciousness of this destruction and began to roll back to the restoration of the historical values ​​of the people. This was largely facilitated by the Great Patriotic War. And the people won in it, who were already led into battle by far from those Bolsheviks (in terms of their internal state) who made the revolution. After the war, the country gained enormous prestige in the world, recovered and began to actively pursue its foreign policy. I didn't like it. We got another coup and went fully in line with Western politics. Today they again began to free themselves from "friendly embraces" and defend their sovereignty. And we see that it is not pleasant. It is known to whom. What should be expected? Another coup. It could have been more detailed, but not the place, and you yourself, I suppose, can figure it out. Suffice it to look at who has always benefited from dumping Russia.
        1. +3
          3 March 2015 12: 51
          Viktor Yasinsky
          Where do you draw your own, so to speak, not confirmed by any self-respecting and scientific world source?
          1924, the death of Lenin, the Lenin call, 40 thousand, Russian workers, at the call of Stalin entered the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks. This is FACT. 1937, the beginning of the shortening of all kinds of RAPP members other Pokrovsky. 1937, the beginning of weeding of all kinds of scum entrenched in all structures of the Union, from the party to the officers of other structures, under the leadership of the CPSU and Stalin as Secretary General.
          The war, the driving force in the troops, the All-Union Communist Party of the Bolsheviks, two squads, pre-war, parties, fell in the battles for the freedom and independence of the Motherland, how does this compare with your intellects?
          1953, the death of I. Stalin, a circle of little children led by Khrushchev, organized a coup in the party, conducting an amnesty for the Trotskyists with the subsequent restoration of the party.
          The five-year development plans of the country, in favor of Khrushchev's hallucinations, are being revised not in favor of the country's development, but in favor of the WEST, the history of oil. Rummage, you will find out.
          The 20th congress, Khrushchev and the landmine imposed by him, dashed there at 85 when Gorbachev came to power. Is it hard to figure out who led this vegetable with a stain of Judas on his head to power?
          Stalin did not roll back from the Ideas of communism, Stalin understood and said, there is an IDEA, but it is not a DOGMA, unlike scholastics such as the must and the current Trotskyists, but a means of leadership, and he said, WE NEED the development of the Idea, death without it.
          He said, but his words were blabbering, all sorts of sixties and Khrushchev’s followers, with the development of socialism, the class struggle will intensify, are you not 90 years old in this regard?
          CHINA, strictly took into account the lessons of the first country in the world with a capitalism other than capitalism, it was not for nothing that their slogan was born, socialism with Chinese characteristics, relying on the values ​​and culture of China.
          But this, successfully, was not allowed by the degenerates starting from Andropov and later, when the so-called Russian wing in the Communist Party, was driven almost underground.
          THESE ARE FACTS, not your conjectures or those who were above crowing all kinds of nonsense, about "seas of blood, collapse" and other nonsense.
          1. +2
            3 March 2015 13: 19
            Sources must be able to analyze and draw conclusions. What did you bring a whole list of some dates and facts? They don't talk about anything at all. The only conclusion is that Stalin did not abandon the ideas of communism. I agree completely, so what? This did not in the least prevent him from helping to strengthen the authority of the Russian Orthodox Church, to return shoulder straps and officers to the army, and to return to the country the names of its great heroes from the past, which the so-called "Lenin Guard" tried to forget. Give up the International, tweak the family policy a little, etc. In other words, he returned something without which there would be no Victory and further development, and he perfectly understood this. Otherwise, I would not have taken such a decisive step, contrary to communist dogmas and the practice of the first Bolsheviks to eliminate Russian culture. And about "speculation" and "crowing" - not solid. You just think about the logic of what is happening.
            1. 0
              3 March 2015 13: 30
              Quote: Victor Yasinsky
              Abandon the International

              It was abandoned after 1991. you have bad material with the actual material
        2. bombardir
          +4
          3 March 2015 16: 28
          Quote: Victor Yasinsky
          Following the liberals, the Bolsheviks took an active part in the destruction of historical Russia.
          Bast shoes selected and forced to study?
  18. +8
    3 March 2015 11: 08
    When the February revolution of Lenin took place in general in Russia, he did not learn about it from the newspapers. And in October, the Bolsheviks picked up power which, generally speaking, was not there, but there was anarchy and chaos that liberals and demagogues leave behind. And thanks to Lenin and Stalin, Russia was preserved and the Russians survived as an ethnic group.
    1. +4
      3 March 2015 11: 31
      seraphimamur (
      A healthy answer.
    2. 0
      4 March 2015 23: 59
      Thanks to STALIN! but only!
  19. -1
    3 March 2015 11: 23
    Quote: Serg65
    The article is about nothing! Everything is dumped in a heap, while the myth of the Bolsheviks has not been debunked. "... the agrarian issue, which the reform of 1861 (it even worsened the situation in some respects) and Stolypin's reforms so could not solve it." remember the "shell and rifle hunger", the lack of ammunition, heavy guns, machine guns, ammunition (including boots) and much more "from now on, can you give more details? I also ask the author to expand the topic about the lack of heavy weapons (reason)? The only thing I agree with is that the First World War was not needed by Russia and the union with Germany was very important.


    I agree to all 100% The topic of the article has not been disclosed, weighty arguments have not been given. The myth is not destroyed request
    PS In general, even before the October revolution, the February bourgeois revolution took place and one can probably blame the oligarchs of the time for the collapse of the country, but the fact remains that it was the Bolsheviks, led by the eternally living Russophobe V.I. Lenin and drowned the country in the bloody terror of the civil war. Yes, and their contribution to the collapse of the country and long-term subversive activities can not be denied. And all this, of course, does not relieve the responsibility of the sickly Nicholas II and the irresponsible representatives of the liberal bourgeoisie. By the way, we are witnessing the consequences of that "redistribution", so to speak, of those tragic events in Ukraine.
    1. +3
      3 March 2015 12: 20
      Dimon-chik-79
      Mdya .. knowledge is already splashing ... the truth is not clear where such knowledge comes from, on which it is based and with what facts it is supported ..
      They didn’t learn from the prokessor Zubov, with lecture courses from Svanidze to Mlechin and Pivovarov (thereby burning the library, so that many would exactly correspond to the proud title of the defunct liberalized dummies from history hysteria)
  20. Imandra
    +4
    3 March 2015 11: 47
    Quote: Serg65
    smile My friends, history must not be known by slogans or myths, history is facts, documents, real events. The Russian army was not inferior to the French and German armies,



    And you do not recall how many aircraft engines were produced in 1914, for example, France, but how many Russia?
    1. +4
      3 March 2015 12: 21
      Imandra
      Why do they need it?
      Their task in this article is different, so they yell, all nonsense ... starting with a huge number of aircraft armed with RI ... Ask them how many tractors in Ri there were ...
  21. -1
    3 March 2015 12: 39
    The more articles there are on the innocence of the Bolsheviks, the more doubt it is as if there is an excuse, and as you know, the one who is guilty is justified.
    1. -1
      3 March 2015 13: 10
      RUSS (
      The more your lies, the clearer it becomes that the Bolsheviks were absolutely right.
      1. -1
        3 March 2015 13: 19
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        The more your lies, those


        Hahaha. hi
  22. 0
    3 March 2015 12: 41
    KMK, the main reason for any revolution in Russia is the opinion of a significant part of the Russian people and their representatives in power structures that the leadership does not act in the interests of the Russians. At least that was the case in 1917 and 1991. A heightened sense of injustice.
  23. +3
    3 March 2015 13: 04
    Regarding Lenin and the Bolsheviks. Many historians proved Lenin and Co. picked up the country from the interim government (which did not already have real power). And the whole course of subsequent events was shown by Lenin and K. sought to save the country, unite under the slogan of the proletarians of all countries - they reached the borders of the Russian Empire (Poland could not be captured). The mistake of the white movement was that they did not understand the Bolsheviks. The bulk of the white officers fought for a single and indivisible
    country. This is in the memories of emigrants ..
    1. -11
      3 March 2015 14: 15
      Is the salvation of Russia a red terror and the return of 1/3 of the country to the Germans? Clever ...
      Bolshevik, why aren’t you already at the all-Union construction site, but you’re sitting on an Internet invented by the bourgeoisie, huh)
      And in general, what is it to argue with you, you have millions of Russians killed not the Russians, but the enemies of the revolution, and the brothers are the Bronteins, mooses, fellow countrymen
      Go find out for what money the Bolsheviks of Latvians, Finns, Chechens paid for?
      Tales here are red, they tell me, in my hometown there is still a house where the Cheka was damned it is believed that you can say ....
      1. +3
        3 March 2015 15: 46
        Quote: Landser93
        Is the salvation of Russia a red terror and the return of 1/3 of the country to the Germans? Clever ..

        The Red Terror is a response to the "White Terror". As it comes around, it will respond. As for "giving 1/3 of the country to the Germans," I don’t remember that they received territory in the Urals. Or Lenin gave them something from the other "end "? But there are Japanese people. Again non-prostuha. So what did Lenin" give away "? Territories that Germany could not hold back. And that returned to the RSFSR for at most 20 years. I ask you not to drag Finland and Poland. This is not Russian land, and if a tiny Galicia can shit like that, then what can we say about these nationalist states. So, temporarily sacrificing part of the territories, the USSR returned them back, while retaining and growing with new territories. But now the question is: who SOLD ALASKA "100% RUSSIAN EARTH. FOREVER? And how many percent of the territory of Russia was it? So who did Russia more harm, the Bolsheviks and the people, or the monarchy and the elite of Tsarist Russia?"
        1. -6
          3 March 2015 16: 19
          The Red Terror is a response to an attempt on syphilitics, and it’s not clear who shot their own and whether there was any redistribution in the party. Learn the story ...
          At least read on Wikipedia)))
          1. +3
            3 March 2015 17: 52
            Landser93
            The source of your knowledge on Wikipedia? Hmm ... the limitations of some commentators who think that this encyclopia is a light in the window is simply amazing
            By the way, about the knowledge of History, what you are showing here is Hysteria on a quasi-story in your processing, to admit it is very poor-quality and it smells like unhealthy intellect, didn’t you go to the doctor?
            And you know, a burning tire and products released during combustion do not contribute to mental health.
            By the way, it’s worth a visit to a venereologist, because your persistent repetition of syphilis, syphilitic, suggests that you are precisely ill with this infection and not realizing it, syphilis still kills nervous tissue, trying to find a prescription for treatment.
            The choice of two is therapy and surgery.
            1. -1
              3 March 2015 18: 35
              How many things have I heard about myself here, but for the first time, Svidomo-syphilitic laughing
              Excuse me, is this my wet red fantasies, are they stated here? I attach facts to my arguments and from the wiki too (as an open source is known to everyone), I don’t get theories out of my head, like some, I don’t see anything wrong with a good argument )
              1. 0
                3 March 2015 19: 30
                Landser93
                Not a single fact. Complete chatter and retelling of myths and gossip.
                Prove. Only prove, you can’t, you have neither the ARGUMENT against what I said, nor the FACTS confirming your gossip-taken quotes out of context, there is no evidence.
                So the choice is still simple therapy or surgery for you.
          2. +1
            3 March 2015 20: 51
            Quote: Landser93
            Learn history ... At least read on Wikipedia)))

            I taught and read a lot. The Red Terror was the answer to the "White Terror" unleashed by the counter-revolutionaries. And what about Alaska? 20% of the territory of RUSSIA SOLD BOLSHEVIKS? I am waiting for an answer to my question ...
  24. Asily 50
    +3
    3 March 2015 13: 43
    All the events of the February rrrrevolution are accessible and described in detail: 1-the overthrow and arrest of the tsar, 2- the struggle for power based on the Entente (esser Savinkov turned out to be a representative of the Entente’s special forces), 3-payment for the help of the Entente by the occupation zones in Russia (to which the invaders referred), 4 Suppression of political opponents (up to the shooting of the demonstration). Temporary managed to ruin the entire structure of the state for half a year. Having prepared the country for a division into specific principalities.
  25. 0
    3 March 2015 14: 06
    and could keep the third place, having reached the level of 400-500 million people a few decades later.


    When you turn your brains on, D. Mendeleev’s forecasts, in principle, did not imply changes in the structure of society and a decrease in the birth rate.
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  27. -5
    3 March 2015 14: 25
    Such a wonderful resource, only these wet stories about red killers and sadists are annoying, something often began to post them, is it strange ?. Someone missed the Cheka, so let him tie a stone to his neck and drown. Just so loved to execute, red sadists during their bloody orgies in Odessa, Sevastopol. And then all of a sudden you write to the leftist about Lenin’s grandfather, my brother, and the property is good near the house, 2 refrigerators, say, PC, etc., or even a couple of apartments, not a good friend, or rather what kind of friend are you ?, bourgeois !!! You’ll go to the camp, and the woman will be confiscated into the property of the proletariat (as they did on the Don, they heard about the abolition of families, common wives, etc.)
    And for normal people I’ll say. Russia was and will be, one and indivisible. Viva victory)
    1. +4
      3 March 2015 15: 51
      Quote: Landser93
      Such a wonderful resource, only these wet stories about red killers and sadists are annoying,

      Opa-opa-opa! "White knight", straightforwardly the elf, drew! Anu-ka, comment on VS Pikul "There was a city that was not there." What did the Annenko people do there? And the "wolves" Skins? And that's just those cases that are taken from the summer. Describe all the crimes of the "white movement"? And who was the first to start the terror, who did not want to recognize the common people of Russia as PEOPLE? Don't "la-la", "hospodin" second lieutenant.
      1. -6
        3 March 2015 16: 25
        I want to hear about the White Terror, yeah, especially in my southern mountain where I met white with flowers, and when the Reds walked so almost the half of the city fled, the liberators what can I say? By the way, who was the first there to start another controversial issue, the first arrests of the Cadets and Junkers began in the winter of 17, ok yes))))
        You did not have relatives from the NKVD and the Cheka, otherwise I know you don’t have a family affection for them, they did business.
        Once again, I certainly understand that it’s burning for you, but the idea of ​​communism among young people is dead, and the idea of ​​Russian nationalism is growing (as throughout Europe), so I’ll tolerate you scoops for another 10 years, I’m young, soon and They will endure your mummy and forget about communism as a nightmare)))
        By the way, one benefit from the Ukrainians is that they demolish the monument to scoops, you can at least not bother your hands and not listen to the screams of 1,5 senior citizens))))
        1. +2
          3 March 2015 17: 56
          Landser93
          The Nazi began to be ... with an attempt to think of himself as the heir to the whites ..hhh, history should still be taught, and the brown and white bits were RED.
          The red color of life, and your .... death and decay, so that we will survive your craziness, Nazis.

          Articles in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation on the propaganda of Nazism, as well as national intolerance, as well as vandalism in relation to places of rest, have not been canceled yet, and new ones are being written, they are writing for you.

          So Article 58 prim, in the new edition, will just be in time by the time you and those like you try to pull your bodies from the caches.
          1. -2
            3 March 2015 18: 38
            Nothing that the flag of the Russian Federation such as Vlasov?))) laughing
            Nothing that many white immigrants were against the Nazis Denikin for example?))
            Nothing that Kolchak’s son fought against the Nazis in the French Armed Forces?)
            Is it okay that the ashes of many "Nazis" were reburied in Russia with all the honors?
            Is it okay that the Russian president constantly quotes the main "Nazi" in your opinion, one of the idiologists of the white movement, Ivan Ilyin? laughing laughing
            Here you give, by the way, Nicholas 2 is a canonized martyr for the Russian Orthodox Church, oh brother I can smell it offending the feelings of believers)
            By the way, in the video about the "white movement," the main "Nazi" in your opinion is the hero of Novorossiya and ex-FSB officer, Mr. Strelokov)

            Be careful with such arguments tongue
            1. -2
              3 March 2015 19: 33
              Landser93 (
              In the Russian Federation, moisture is not like that of Vlasovites. In the Russian Federation, the flag introduced by Peter 1.
              You should not show a lack of mind, however, I’ll point you to your yellow flag, clearly indicating that he is the mark of the traitor MAZEPA and his Cossacks, while in the service of Karl 12, they hung this two-tone rag on their sleeve.
              1. 0
                3 March 2015 19: 42
                Here, one pan was quoted shorter, that the White Guards = Nazis.
                However, I gave examples there
                Ayyy how you hooked me insulted usraina laughing I’m terry ukro-Bandera, they told me how I will survive, however do not care laughing
        2. +1
          3 March 2015 20: 54
          Quote: Landser93
          who was the first there to start a controversial issue, the first arrests of the cadets and junkers began in the winter of 17, ok yes))))

          Ok, and what happened to them, to the arrested? Lost under "parole" not to fight with the RSFSR, they rushed in a herd Some to the Don, some to Yudenich, Kaledin, Denikin. Tryndets, what a terror.
  28. +1
    3 March 2015 14: 31
    All tendentiously mixed in a heap to divert from the main thing - they say the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with it. As if everything was awful, everyone around was to blame, and the "white and fluffy" Bolsheviks could only come to everything ready.
    And all these revolutionaries of different stripes of the previous decades who have been imposing society, aren't they related to the Bolsheviks? Is it not they (in various guises) who carried out many years of subversive work, carried out terrorist activities, massive propaganda, discrediting the tsar and the authorities through the press, campaigning, recruiting supporters, strikes, terrorist attacks and contract killings, etc., etc. All this was generously sponsored from abroad and rocked the boat, leading to a weakening of both the authorities and the country as a whole. In general, everything is the same as now.

    Back in February, Peter Nikolayevich Durnovo, the right-wing Russian leader, handed Nicholas II a letter in February 1914, in which he predicted the nature of the war and the future of Russia if she was drawn into the war.
    .

    And between it is not even known whether the king read this note - according to Wikipedia, there is no reliable information about this. The note itself was discovered during the analysis of the emperor's papers by the Bolsheviks and was published in the magazine Krasnaya Nov 'in 1922. In any case, by the time it was submitted (February 21, 1914), Peter Durnovo had been a retired minister for almost ten years and did not enjoy the Tsar's trust. "In the struggle against the revolution of 1905-1907, he used brutal measures, supported the activities of the Black Hundred organizations, which is why in 1906 the Social Revolutionaries decided to kill Durnovo, but they failed to carry out this plan. So in Switzerland, the Socialist Revolutionary Leontyev shot an elderly French merchant at point-blank range. who, unfortunately, was very similar to the retired minister.Durnovo's long conflict with the prime minister (whom he accused of conniving with revolutionary activity) became one of the reasons for Witte's resignation on April 22, 1906, and after him the entire cabinet, including Minister of Internal Affairs, who ceded his post to PA Stolypin.In 1911, the actions of Durnovo and V.F. Trepov, aimed at the State Council's rejection of the government bill on zemstvos in the western provinces, caused an acute political crisis. The results were the temporary dissolution of the Duma and State Council on March 12-15, 1911 and the adoption of a law under Art.87 of the Basic State Laws. Durnovo received an order the knowledge of the emperor to declare himself sick and to refrain from participating in meetings of the Council until 1912. " (Wikipedia).

    And they remain behind the scenes, why Nicholas was forced to do so - to dismiss Durnovo, to indulge the revolutionaries, to endure terrorist attacks? Yes, because foreign financial capital (for the most part of the same nationality as the Bolsheviks) had become so strong by that time that it twisted its arms and dictated conditions, and at the same time sponsored revolutionaries to overthrow the regime and draw Russia into war and anarchy.
  29. +2
    3 March 2015 14: 50
    The saddest of all this is that since World War I the Russian Empire collapsed, lands were lost, we were stopped in all types of development, including demographic; in the 1s the USSR collapsed and the same thing happened. This power was created by our ancestors for centuries, and over the past century we have already been bent down twice with all the consequences. What is going on, our "friends" because of the puddle do what they want - they poison us on others, others on us and do not let us live. At the same time, they themselves develop quietly and receive a bunch of bonuses. And now another round of aggression in our direction, with an eye to the further collapse and division of the Russian Federation. God forbid we lose in this battle !!! This is what we need to think about and talk about, not about the Bolsheviks. Our future is in danger!
  30. +2
    3 March 2015 14: 56
    Quote: vnord
    Is the salvation of Russia a red terror and the return of 1/3 of the country to the Germans? Clever ...


    Fools really could not calculate how long Germany would last. and Lenin could. And who this territory later turned out to be (If Poland temporarily took part of the territory, it is thanks to the former allies).

    Terror, so it was necessary to recreate the rule of power.

    Since 1991, we (the former USSR) have lost about 80 mln. People (demographic losses), and economic ruin. This is the result of liberalism (and it is not the end, especially in Ukraine)
    1. -5
      3 March 2015 15: 00
      Lenin was just a wang, he figured out everything and Hitler came (which helped us to take away Ukraine and Belarus under the Molotov Pact) and the fact that the Baltic states would be free (for a while) and Finland (and here you have no connection) and Poland)
      Lord, what are you talking about?)))) laughing
  31. +2
    3 March 2015 15: 28
    Quote: Landser93
    Lord, what are you talking about?))


    Quote: chenia
    Fools really could not calculate how long Germany would last. and Lenin could.


    You have poor eyesight (or maybe the place where your eyes are set). Germany collapsed a year later. Lenin returned the money to the German General Staff with interest. FACT.


    But the Bolsheviks fought against the separatists, and most of the officers believed in the ability of the Bolsheviks to recreate the empire.

    Which is what happened. FACT. And you. what are you talking about?
    1. -6
      3 March 2015 16: 28
      laughing
      "Lenin returned the money to the German General Staff with interest. FACT." Well, that is, he still took them?))))
      Patriot statesman what to say?
      He was the one who produced the separatists of Little Russia and the Caucasus, presented the finals with independence, most of the officers were so for the Bolsheviks that they still find bones in Crimea, yeah. Do not carry nonsense, dear))
      USSR - not Russia (Ivan Ilyin)
  32. -5
    3 March 2015 16: 47
    Heroes of my country!
    1. -6
      3 March 2015 17: 06
      Without this gentleman, the picture is not complete)
      Do you mind if I add?)
      1. -6
        3 March 2015 17: 18
        Quote: Landser93
        Without this gentleman, the picture is not complete)


        And without it too.
      2. 0
        5 March 2015 00: 20
        Are you sure that you can only love someone because he is part of your ideas about what is happening. Kolchak is an incredibly odious person. There is nothing to cling to. An English spy who tried his best to help the English with the Straits, who gave them maps of the location of Russian minefields in the Baltic. Again he appeared in Siberia precisely according to the English warning - it was painfully all of them wanted to get to Russian gold. Which flooded Siberia and averted its entire population from itself and the white movement. Etc. Creepy personality. A film about him is something that goes beyond even a distant relationship to reality. This can be removed about anyone. For example, about Hitler and his great love for dogs, children, Eva Brown. About Go Amin and his great love for something, for example, for devouring his opponents. In general, no need for Kolchak.
    2. +4
      3 March 2015 17: 58
      SS chieftain, Krasnov, is yours the same? Skin? Japanese lackey Semenov?
      So you turn out to be an accomplice of the West, although the nickname is "patriotic", and a star from some side has stuck, like a radish .. disguise yourself, in advance?
      1. -2
        3 March 2015 18: 10
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        SS chieftain, Krasnov, is yours the same? Skin? Japanese lackey Semenov?


        Open your eyes, do you see among those photos that I exposed, Krasnov and Shkuro ????

        Quote: vladkavkaz
        , and the star from some side stuck-background


        It’s not up to you to decide what to put on the avatar and you don’t need to monopolize the star, I have on my avatar a new symbol of the Russian army that has nothing to do with the red Bolshevik star with a hammer and sickle.
        1. +4
          3 March 2015 18: 42
          RUSS (2
          Hysterics?
          Laurel Kornilov, released under the GENERAL Honesty, did not fight, what did he do?
          Under whose command did Shkuro and Krasnov fight?
          So do not hysteria, you are the same as they are, THEY have inserted the WEAPON from the hands of others and fought against the people, and if these are your "heroes" then you are.
          Only HISTORY you do not know, fighting against the PEOPLE, always ends sadly, Kornilov received a shell, in the head, Krasnov and Shkuro with Semenov, hanged.
      2. -4
        3 March 2015 18: 59
        The Soviet general, the hero of the defense of Moscow, Vlasov, also fled to the Nazis, only those who were against the Communists (whom you listed) consciously and initially so to speak (however, they can be understood but not forgiven, the fight against Bolshevism is our internal affair, and the Nazis wanted to destroy us and he first kissed Stalin, and then became an ardent anti-Bolshevik .. Fu, shame and shame, how it can be put on a par with Denikin, Wrangel, Kolchak, Drozdovsky.
        1. +1
          3 March 2015 19: 05
          Landser93
          However, Vlasov, unlike your Bandera, Shukhevych, Mazepa and Skoropadsky, in Russia, is not considered to be a hero in Judas and was hanged by sentence like a scumbag dog, he chose his own path.
          Unlike General Karbyshev.
          Equally, only a narrow group of people are trying to count all of these as "heroes" - ... "Denikin, Wrangel, Kolchak, Drozdovsky." The people, for the most part, have long given them an assessment. In general, what are your heroes, such are you yourself, the West knows exactly which trash heap to select personnel.
          Saakashvili, a tie eater, a psychopath and a rapist, Farion, a madhouse client, but you have all of these ..
          So your argument, as always rotten, like any anti-adviser and a person not too burdened by the mind ...
          1. 0
            3 March 2015 19: 18
            Not from yours, but from theirs (I’m not dill), go dill the brains, red Internet heroes, damn it)))
            Tomorrow some more of you will be sawed off (God forbid) and I will brainwash for 23 years, let's see what the inhabitants will sing ...
            2) It was not the people who gave the assessment, but the Soviet forgive me Lord "historians")
            Now, as we can see, monuments to them (whites) are being erected, and "spicy" data about the USSR is emerging)
            1. +1
              3 March 2015 19: 36
              Quote: Landser93
              Not from yours, but from theirs (I'm not dill),


              They do not care, they are friends and Hitler will stick.
              1. -1
                3 March 2015 19: 43
                The main thing is that not Bandera and Sashka Bilogo laughing
                By the way, they have already ranked, here one left-handed wrote the White Guards, the Nazis
    3. Aspirin
      +1
      3 March 2015 18: 22
      Quote: RUSS
      Heroes of my country!

      However, I wonder, why did they do such a heroic thing? Changed the oath and Rodin and destroyed the empire? Especially Alekseev.
      So it seems that the cha flag is not ukrovsky to be so admired.
      1. -4
        3 March 2015 18: 51
        Kornilov showed himself perfectly at the front (he escaped from captivity), Denikin too (did they hear the Iron Division?), But where were the heroes of the statesmen of the armpit, Ulyanov? And I know, in the USA and Switzerland, they were preparing a blow to the back of Russia)
        1. Aspirin
          +1
          5 March 2015 19: 59
          Quote: Landser93
          Kornilov showed himself perfectly at the front (he escaped from captivity), Denikin too (did they hear the Iron Division?), But where were the heroes of the statesmen of the armpit, Ulyanov? And I know, in the USA and Switzerland, they were preparing a blow to the back of Russia)

          Ulyanov and Trotsky THANKS RUSSIA when Kornilov and others like him destroyed it.
          Less need to listen to the zomboscope.
          Maybe the white leaders were good warriors, but their further achievements they crossed out their achievements.
      2. +2
        3 March 2015 19: 38
        Quote: Aspirin
        So it seems that the cha flag is not ukrovsky to be so admired.


        Where is the connection of the Ukrainian flag and the white movement? The white movement, on the contrary, fought against the independence of the ukrov, in contrast to the reds who gave them autonomy and Russian lands, so Denikin is definitely not a hero of Ukraine.
        1. 0
          3 March 2015 19: 59
          You are lying, there was no Ukrainization and the accession of New Russia to the Ukrainian SSR.
          Lenin Stalin for the Russians were
          One of the quotes ....
          First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Ukrainian Communist Party Emmanuel Quiring. Already in the years of ardent Ukrainization (20th) he wrote: “We cannot limit ourselves to the recognition of the formal equality of nations, since it will lead to actual inequality. Now the Ukrainian language and culture must be put in a privileged position. ” (This quote from an open meeting proof on it can be easily found on the internet)
          Further, the "defender" of all Russians, Stalin, wrote about the main Ukrainianizer of the Russian regions of the Ukrainian SSR, Kaganovich. "None of the previous secretaries in Ukraine have resorted to such strong pressure to carry out Ukrainization."
          By the way, if you look at the photo of Odessa, Kharkov, Yuzovka (Donetsk) 1920-1930, then almost all the signs and announcements, newspapers in Ukrainian. And this is in a city in which 10-20 years ago they did not hear about Ukraine.

          This is how they cleared Russia from great-power chauvinism
        2. Aspirin
          0
          5 March 2015 19: 55
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Aspirin
          So it seems that the cha flag is not ukrovsky to be so admired.


          Where is the connection of the Ukrainian flag and the white movement? The white movement, on the contrary, fought against the independence of the ukrov, in contrast to the reds who gave them autonomy and Russian lands, so Denikin is definitely not a hero of Ukraine.

          Link admiration for traitors and killers complete.
    4. 0
      13 May 2015 12: 07
      I forgot Nikolay Nikolaevich Yudenich)))
  33. +1
    3 March 2015 17: 29
    And without it.
    1. -3
      3 March 2015 17: 40
      Quote: sigdoc
      And without it.


      What is this comrade?
      1. +4
        3 March 2015 18: 45
        Quote: RUSS
        What is this comrade?

        This is a bourgeois death.
    2. -4
      3 March 2015 17: 50
      Type zatratil)))
      the joke does not count negative
      1. -2
        3 March 2015 18: 15
        Here, yes - it doesn’t count - after all I’ll put a minus - this is a bust ...
        Offend the blessed memory of Joseph Visarionovich - it's like a grandfather spit.
        1. -1
          3 March 2015 19: 05
          Again, the minuses — the Communists have completely blamed them — you don’t recognize I.V. Stalin yet — even write in the comments — I’ll put a minus to you for spitting on grandfathers.
          1. +1
            4 March 2015 17: 17
            What kind of scum minuses sculpt? Who is against I.V. Stalin?
            1. 0
              4 March 2015 21: 10
              Radish - even sign off - chtoli spirit is not enough? The enemy reptile.
            2. +1
              5 March 2015 00: 10
              the fact of the matter is that they only praise Lenin, and the one who really saved the USSR and set out on the right path, and this is Stalin, then they don’t even talk about it at all!
  34. +1
    3 March 2015 17: 58
    Quote: Landser93
    Well, that is, he still took them?))))
    Patriot statesman what to say?


    Yes, you are not very humorous (as Zhvanetsky said, "you need to pause. On your own - for some for half a day). \

    Quote: Landser93
    He was the one who produced the separatists of Little Russia and the Caucasus, presented the finals with independence, most of the officers were so for the Bolsheviks that they still find bones in Crimea, yeah. Do not carry nonsense,


    From a good life. it was probably. All the liberals collapsed (and the generals also tried), everything collapsed, and the Bolsheviks were to blame.

    That they are instead of an imperial idea. introduced the international idea of ​​unification (by the way, no less imperial) and fought for it whenever possible (war with Poland) - FACT.

    And they created a red Empire (and with greater centralization) - also a fact.

    The fact that a powerful industrial USSR (100% literate population), not a bastard Russia (or rather RI) with 73% of the illiterate population, that's for sure.
    Yes, and in the next war (in the forties), the Republic of Ingushetia could not stand it (just don’t have to sing that there wouldn’t be a Soviet Union, there wouldn’t be a war - here, for any Britain, it would come in hand, pushing the foreheads of Ingushetia and Germany)
  35. Aspirin
    +3
    3 March 2015 18: 02
    By October of the seventeenth, the advice was THE ONLY legitimate authority in the country.
  36. -9
    3 March 2015 18: 15
    Oh red-bellied, I brought you a quote, your guru, 10 million are not people?)
    But what about all people brothers?
    On September 17, 1918, the Severnaya Kommuna newspaper published the demand of G. Ye. Zinoviev, a member of the RKPb Central Committee and chairman of the Petrograd Soviet:
    "We have to take with us ninety million out of a hundred inhabiting Soviet Russia. You cannot talk to the rest - they must be destroyed."
    1. Aspirin
      +1
      3 March 2015 18: 20
      You brought not zestyatka but zomboscopy stew.
      Uker, of course, I understand that in Ukraine it’s now customary to invent all kinds of crap, but why do they mess up like that?

      The question has long been parsed and it is known that this is crap.
  37. Vezhchel
    +5
    3 March 2015 18: 30
    The Bolsheviks did not destroy Russia. They were not the cause of the great upheavals. The "battering ram" of chaos was the "white and fluffy" liberals. The Bolsheviks again gathered Russian lands into a single whole. Yes, under a different flag, with a different name - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, with a different ideology, but the USSR is a rebirth, a renewed version of the Russian empire, and not a "state on the bones of an empire", as the good old liberals rubbed into us for almost two decades.
    1. -3
      3 March 2015 18: 46
      They were all for one thing, they have spoken here already 1005000 times. February and October 1 integer. Kerensky armed the left in July 17, they took power and allowed him to calmly leave. By the way, Kerensky was a socialist by the way.
      1. bombardir
        +3
        3 March 2015 21: 52
        Quote: Landser93
        They were all for one
        Everything )))
        “The guardian of Russian national interests was none other than the internationalist Lenin, who in his constant speeches did not spare his strength to protest against the division of the former Russian Empire”
        Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich Romanov
  38. -1
    3 March 2015 18: 31
    Quote: Landser93
    On September 17, 1918, the Severnaya Kommuna newspaper published the demand of G. Ye. Zinoviev, a member of the RKPb Central Committee and chairman of the Petrograd Soviet:


    So he was "thanked" (not only for that, but for that too).
    1. -3
      3 March 2015 18: 44
      Sorry, but if at first the one who said this and brought to life did not come to power, then the one who would thank them would never come to it)))
      Do you catch the logic?)
  39. -1
    3 March 2015 19: 06
    By the way, I would like to congratulate all the Bolsheviks today, the day of the "great victory"
    Oh, I feel the bombing, but it’s your idol who signed, how much Russia has paid so far has not yet been calculated, how much blood had to be given to return everything.
    March 3, 1918 the Bolsheviks entered into Brest-Litovsk shameful peace with Germany, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire and Bulgaria.

    Terms of the peace agreement:
    1. Privislinsky provinces, Ukraine, provinces with a predominant Belarusian population, Estland, Courland and Livonia provinces, the Grand Duchy of Finland were rejected from Russia. Most of these territories were to become German protectorates or to become part of Germany.
    2. Russia pledged to recognize the independence of Ukraine as persons of the government of the UPR.
    3. In the Caucasus, Russia was inferior to the Kars region and the Batumi region.
    4. The Soviet government ended the war against the Ukrainian Central Council (Rada) of the Ukrainian People's Republic and concluded peace with it.
    5. The army and navy were demobilized.
    6. The Baltic Fleet was withdrawn from its base in Finland and the Baltic.
    7. The Black Sea Fleet with all infrastructure was transferred to the Central Powers.
    8. Russia paid 6 billion mark reparation plus payment of losses incurred by Germany during the course of the revolution - 500 million gold rubles.
    9. The Soviet government was obliged to stop revolutionary propaganda in the Central Powers and allied states formed in the territory of the Russian Empire.
    1. +2
      3 March 2015 19: 43
      In short, without comment - those who have eyes open and thoughts are bright - will understand - and I probably - goodbye - I will not write anymore in this topic - anyway, hh ... what can you prove.
      1. +2
        3 March 2015 20: 33
        RrrJ (1)
        correctly, do not write, read more, but less than any frankly Russophobic and anti-Soviet literature and Internet gossip.
        FALSE is visible right away, and the upholding FALSE, naturally gets a bunch of minuses, VISUALLY shows you that you absolutely do not understand
        the affected topic, following the blatant ill-wishers of Russia.
        1. 0
          3 March 2015 20: 49
          It is a pity that your relatives were not sent anywhere for the bottom that - then you and I would appreciate the delights of the reformers - and so - like a goose with a pig.
          1. 0
            3 March 2015 23: 37
            Rrrj (
            Out of 50 of my employees, when interviewed, ONE was found, so to speak, "repressed" and he, as it turned out, sat down on a criminal basis.
            My friend himself told me how his grandfather sat in Turma, for a chisel stolen from the factory.

            So there is no need to pour here tears, excess, criminal negligence, settling accounts, slander and denunciations were WHO wrote them?
            Are not those who are now yelling, from which power was bad ???
            Like the deceased is already a vandal, the Zhinka of a certain old man Sakharov, that from the rostrum of the congress he said such a nonsense ... Madame Bonner, who smacked her lips about the innocently repressed stepfather ... but only after reading his UD, never again, about nothing and nobody chatted, for which her stepfather was leaned against the wall.
            Remember, at the turn of the epochs, always in the punitive organs of any country. All evil spirits are being filled up like bugs, bringing together just someone, and there were not a few who, in general, before the 30s, put on them, like those who from abroad the puppeteer, and inside, the trocist underground.
            NOW, today, AT THIS time, you don’t see what the prosecutors, judges, police are doing? Yesterday, the program of Karaulov, deputy prosecutor, her daughter, son-in-law, arrange a photo shoot in SS uniforms ..
            And to another procurator, a house for 12 million is being built .. at the same time, there is no fight against crime. Does it not remind you of anything?

            You need to know the HISTORY, and not sitting under a bush, talk about the rainforest without seeing it at all ...
            1. -1
              4 March 2015 00: 21
              By the way, if you read me carefully, I’m not talking about the age of 37, but about the Red Terror and the genocide of 20 years (what denunciations, people in the streets were taken and whole villages were taken hostage (Tukhachevsky liked to do this when suppressing peasants). In the year 37, the executioners shot the executioners, to me, the bulb. It was an intra-party disassembly. Therefore, rightly so. Of course, people who accidentally fell under the flywheel are sorry they should be rehabilitated!
              Do you even read what the opponents write or are so zombified that from having a different opinion, look for a comrade Mauser in your pocket?
        2. -1
          3 March 2015 21: 51
          Bunin, Ilyin, Melgunov Russophobia?
          Surprised laughing
          1. +2
            3 March 2015 23: 40
            Landser93 (
            YOURS?
            Quote: Balu
            http://politrussia.com/opozitsiya/kto-na-samom-448/-мнение либерастической попозиции о нас с Вами.
            For example:
            -Roman Dobrokhotov: Two-thirds (of Russians) are latent xenophobes, latent criminals.
            -Yulia Latynina: Putin’s voter is a lumpen and Putin’s voter is cattle.
            -Rustem Adagamov (accused of pedophilia): This shit population is ready to sell my native mother for the filthy 750 rubles.
            -Dmitry Bykov: Most of the Russian population is incapable of anything, it is pointless to re-educate it, it does not know how and does not want to work. The Russian population is inefficient. It is necessary to give him the opportunity to sleep soundly or die out of old age, stuffing with the corresponding spectacles.
            -Alfred Koch: The Russian man degraded and turned into an uninteresting scum of civilization - into a narcissistic, touchy, cowardly bastard.
            -Sergei Parkhomenko: Seeing a sober Central Russian man in his usual habitat, you start fumbling frantically in his pockets. Where is the ignition key from a tractor that will take you anywhere, having doused these cockroaches with a cloud of fuselage-bluish smoke, which is so organically woven into the stench of their cheap cigarettes and fumes? Or, at least, a gun, in case of critical cultural contradictions to feed these ugly mouths with lead seeds.
            -Gennady Gudkov: Because CITIZENS gathered for the IDEA on Bolotnaya, and in LUZHNIKA SLANDS and according to the order! And servile singers like you.
            -Artemy Troitsky: For the most part, I consider Russian men to be animals, creatures not even of the second, but of the third grade. When I see them - from cops to deputies, I think that they, in principle, should die out ... In fact, I do not mind this breed at all.
            -Evgenia Chirikova: Russian people are much like cattle. They will endure anything.
            -Ksenia Sobchak: Such people are called cattle - who envy, hate me ... And this feature, by the way, is peculiar to Russians, therefore I love Jews.
            -Mikhail Khodorkovsky: It’s a shame not to steal from such a state.
            I really look forward to the accusation that, quoting the opposition themselves about our country and about you and me, I incite hatred towards them. And I have no doubt that such charges will be. However, maybe, to find real enemies and hate-raisers, our opposition should look in the mirror?
            Here we are in their eyes, and here they are in their eyes. I am for the law on deprivation of citizenship and expulsion outside the Russian Federation without the right to return. am
            1. -4
              4 March 2015 00: 09
              So stop, did you insult me ​​with dill? Now I’m no longer dill, but a liberal oppositionist? laughing And can I, in the opinion of scoops, remain dill? Those even touched, but the Slavs, and not the brother Moysham drill?)))
              It is interesting that I still learn about myself from the example of an intelligent Soviet man.
              Oh, stuck with scoops, it’s expensive to read laughing
              Culture and rushing, insulting insulting))
              By the way, you still did not answer about Ilyin, Bunin, Melgunov, do you think they are Russophobes?
            2. -1
              4 March 2015 00: 14
              By the way, the parents of half of them are the fruits of the soviet Russophobic system, the same Sobchak, for example, were not the last people in the USSR. How is it that they were let to the top in such a Russophile country as the USSR?
              OH, I drenched you again, what a pity laughing
  40. +1
    3 March 2015 21: 40
    Quote: Gans1234
    Well, Lenin and Co. were late and arrived at the heading analysis.
    What did not stop them, while the cheese is boron confusion, to do their dirty work and raise a putsch, which went down in history as the "great October revolution"
    Who knows how our history developed if it had only one February, bourgeois ...

    Sucks !!!
  41. +2
    4 March 2015 00: 18
    Of course, the February revolution was launched by the then liberal democrats in alliance with big capital. The Bolsheviks, just like a flock of (more united) hyenas, were able to disperse the other scavengers, and chop off a significant part of the rotten carcass to themselves. However, the struggle for the remnants of the empire could not be avoided. Another thing is that they not only won this fight, but also built a superpower on the fragments / ruins, which in all respects circumvented its ancestor. In general, a more vile betrayal than the revolution (February) in the midst of the German-Russian war, I will not remember in the history of Russia ...
    1. 0
      4 March 2015 00: 34
      I agree with you a little + you.
      I would even say that the Februaryists did everything to make October happen, who gave 17 Bolsheviks weapons in July? who decomposed the army, ruined the economy, and now how was the Komi Komi given to leave quietly, who transferred the tsar and his family to the Bolsheviks ?. The Februaryists and Octobrists have 1 owners (Schiff, Morgan) You yourself know very well where Trotsky came from, who gave him the passport of a citizen of one overseas country, who is the brother of Moisha Sverdlov, Why Hammer was an American banker (or industrialist) in the Soviet trade mission (or whatever) called the trading office that represented the USSR in the United States in 20 years). February began the dismantling of Russia, and the Bolsheviks robbed and finished it off (handed out concessions, exported gold to the USA and Britain, unleashed a civil war) But the Bolsheviks had not only the USA sponsor, but also the Germans, (Sverdlov, Trotsky proteges of the USA, Ilyich Germany, and as we saw these parties already crossed and began to exterminate each other, assassination attempts on Lenin, the murder of Sverdlov, then started digging on Trotsky)
      In general, February and October did not bring anything good to Russia. Revolution never brings anything good
      Okay, thank you all for the discussion, who led it, who is the hysterical leftist, well, your problems, your time has passed, Russia knows the names of its executioners, and the new Russian generation is no longer amenable to Bolshevik propaganda)
      All the best and glory to our common home, even though we are separated! Glory to Russia, one and indivisible))
  42. +3
    4 March 2015 09: 20
    vladkavkaz
    I know perfectly well the history of YaMZ and its creation has nothing to do with it .... it's not about the plant! And even about the lions that you have in the picture I know a lot ... BUT! Opinion about the collapse of the Russian Empire will not change, I have every right to express it))))
    1. -2
      4 March 2015 10: 21
      YaMZ-238
      You can have an opinion, whoever argues. Another question is what this opinion is based on, where the opinions come from, and how the one who has the "opinion" operates with his knowledge

      History is not the science in which political opponents are judged by the LIE, but the one that is studied in relation to the conditions that existed for that particular period of time, and not from the height of afterlife.

      Now, sitting comfortably on the couch, you can talk about anything, disputing, disagreeing with those or other actions of the leaders of that era, partly because of unbridled false propaganda over the past 30 years, partly because of the reluctance to seek confirmation of cries from the screen and gossip from the newspapers, partly, it’s just not very interesting for you, but to express an opinion.

      And this is not the best way to express your opinion.
      Even here in this thread, on which this character’s opinion is based, Landser93 — ON LIES, insult, gossip.
      Do you think his "opinion" is worthy of respect?
      What is the basis of the opinion of this- RUSS, on the same.

      And you think that the opinion concocted on frank gossip, lies, distortions, omissions, simply myths, is worthy of some other attitude to yourself than the briefly said FALSE, no matter how it is dressed in colorful clothes, will always lose the TRUTH, even if it modest and unsightly?

      Are you sure that, hypothetically, the victory of the Belykh, you yourself now physically existed?
      Would Russia itself exist?
      If we recall the separatism of Krasnov, for example, the separatism of Skoropadsky, Ungern, Semenov?

      In the end, take a look at what these figures breathed, what they aspired to, you should not fall for the slogan that Belykh’s apologists introduce, they say for a single and indivisible thing, everything is far from the case.

      Drowned in the Angara, Kolchak, after signing a paper on the division of Russia into 4 zones, protectorates, under the auspices of the USA, Japan, France and England, was no longer needed by the owners.

      And can there be a model, a certain Kolchak, who changed the oath of a Russian officer by offering himself and his service to the English throne?

      And Krasnov, who dreamed of a "Great Cossack Republic of DONA" under the German protectorate, and later served under the banner of the Hitlerite Reich?
      You probably know that on the Don, through the efforts of the Erovsky functionary, sitting in the Duma, Vodolatsky, there is a monument to Krasnov, in Veshenskaya? Do you not know that he was trying to create a cadet corps with the name of Krasnov? Who would they bring up there?

      Opinion say ... yes, there is an "opinion" and there is an OPINION.
      Feel the difference, as they say ..
  43. Tomich2
    +4
    4 March 2015 13: 34
    And this is written by the generation that collapsed the USSR, funny))
    1. -1
      4 March 2015 18: 06
      Tomich2
      And what does the generation of Pepsi and diapers write when, agape, repeats in ecstasy all the black myths from his country?
      Perhaps he writes like that because he does not understand what he writes about?

      Perhaps such a young generation wanted 90 Civilian? So it went on, in a sluggish form, conflicts in the Caucasus, with shooting in Moscow, you crave blood?

      Are they capable of clever barricades?
      Do you know how the guts and brains of a comrade killed near you smell?
  44. 0
    4 March 2015 15: 46
    Quote: rrrj
    And especially for members of the forum: Guys - and where were you with your slogans - when the greatest country called the USSR was ruined? It was necessary to pickets, demonstrations, etc. - so no - they wanted to see democracy - and now what - did they come down?
    + You know that - even a cold in the ass just doesn’t come out - you need to help this matter ... For example, I’ll leave now - well, I’ll find a mega-bosom friend (and if I don’t send three letters) - well, I don’t so gifted - who can hang noodles - well, we’ll go out - we’ll take it off from the police - and all - to create big movements - you need mega-money recharge - not one (almost) so easy to turn his neck because of an idea - that’s this means that Ulyanov - paid - and the fact that you did not leave in the 90s - means that there was no one to pay.


    On the first part - I watched "Swan Lake" on TV, when the "putsch" and still watched on TV how the parliament was shot (I was a schoolboy in the western outskirts of the USSR).

    The fact that Lenin and the Communist Parties helped - for sure. But whether the result met expectations is a big question.
    It seems to me that Lenin strongly "overturned" some capitalists.

    That there was no one to pay. Probably not in time ... Yeltsin made an unexpected move. The shooting of parliament by tanks - you know, a poorly predicted situation, even for the analytical departments of Western intelligence services.

    You know, I recently asked myself a few questions:
    1. Why did Yeltsin make this radical decision?
    2. Why did he need the fullness of power?
    3. Why did he drink? (The fullness of power is already with him).
    4. Why did Putin succeed?

    And you know what was my conclusion?
    1. The shooting of parliament is a necessary measure. Parliament, under those conditions and with those powers of Yeltsin, was a stone on his neck (with Yeltsin). This was the only decision the West had no scripts for.
    2. The fullness of power was needed for a successor !!!
    3. Drank from despair. After the shooting of the parliament, he could no longer do anything. The decision taken earlier launched a process in which he was prepared for the place of "tyrant".
    4. Putin - the state security system - the best minds and conscience of the USSR (far from all were worthy followers of Dzerzhinsky, but there were still a lot of them and they were a significant force capable of taking the country out of peak when transferring power to them).

    One-man management is the only possible option for managing such vast territories.
    Moreover, the history of the state gave many examples.

    PS Naturally - these are my conclusions. I can be wrong - I'm not an analyst.