9K51 “Grad” rocket launcher system

9K51 “Grad” - reactive volley fire system (MLRS) caliber 122 mm. It is intended to destroy open and sheltered manpower, unarmored vehicles and armored personnel carriers in the area of ​​concentration, artillery and mortar batteries, command posts and other targets, and other tasks in various combat conditions.
The composition of the MLRS "Grad" includes a combat vehicle BM-21 on the chassis "Ural-4320", unguided missiles 122 caliber mm. For transportation of shells in the boxes can be used trucks for any purpose.

Comments

[navy33]

There are no words, Power and Beauty !!!

[viktmell]

Especially when this power explodes in the homes of my parents, godfathers, acquaintances ... A grenade in the hands of a monkey ... especially nuclear (well, or hail) ...

[vladkavkaz]

This power is not to blame for the fact that it was in the hands of monkeys from the maydaun ..
When you watch a video, it’s like people .. you listen, they take doubts, and when you see what they are doing, you see, they already look a little like People ...

[psf]

Our technology is the best in the world!

[k174oun7]

In the Soviet Union, "Grad", like the AK, were perceived as a weapon to protect the peaceful labor of citizens of the state with their army. After the treacherous collapse of the USSR, weapons fell into unclean hands and were often used to destroy those people for whose protection they were created. To prevent weapons from firing at their own people, you need to know "your" villains, traitors and expose the "fifth" column inside the country, pull them out "by the ear and into the sun" and not allow them to come to power.

[Noncombatant]

Petro Poroshenko recently strongly dislikes rainfall in the form of hail. He still did not fall under a hurricane)

[infantryman2020]

Once was a masterpiece. Now, if in the standard version, it’s morally outdated by 20-30 years.
Manual guidance, manual reloading, manual installation of fuses ....
Calm down, do not worth the cheers-patriotism.

[Lopatov]

Quote: infantryman2020

Manual guidance

The package in the horizontal and vertical plane moves mechanically

[igorka357]

It is clear that there are hurricanes and tornadoes))) .... but God forbid you fall under the outdated city))) !!! Read the comments ukrovoyak who fell under the city, and the Germans fell under the Katyusha ... almost complete destruction .. . huge shock, and demoralization)) !!! So it is outdated or not, but it successfully performs its tasks!

[Argon]

My dear, do not be complacent, the infantryman is right, the concept of easy / cheap, or rather, a one-time installation has outlived itself with modern methods of counter battery fighting, the means that are allocated to it. It has long become necessary to at least partially book and arm the chassis, the possibility of transportation calculation on the installation, in an equipped cabin. In my opinion, a second-shift ammunition would not hurt.

[Lopatov]

And what do you know about counter-battery struggle?

The Grad is far more likely to escape from the blow than any SPG.

[Argon]

Dear Lopatov, why are you asking such questions? This is not an educational program for sofa strategists. It never occurred to you that after a volley, the MLRS system interests the enemy "hypothetically" well, or secondarily. All forces and means will be aimed at destroying the unit before the volley , as it was in Iraq (in the first war). And about what was completely forgotten during the "Ossetian victorious campaign".

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Argon

All forces and means will be directed to the destruction of the unit before the salvo

So it’s still necessary to find him. In addition, the installations are under protection especially for this allocated forces and medium.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Argon

Here is no educational program for couch strategists

Exactly.

And therefore I will not tell you that the MLRS is not a one-time remedy.

[family tree]

Quote: Argon

Here is no educational program for couch strategists.

At the expense of the sofas, look to yourself, more respected by me Lopatov, far from divan, artillery ace, in the draft, though, well, does he need it? at BM-21, after stopping from the march until turning minutes, volley, seconds, leaving right away, take care to cover empty positions with a counter-battery, not, well, if there are unlearned ones, they can wait

[probka1979]

Disposable are flies. Well, if not Grad))

[Ze Kot]

You somehow contradict yourself. You yourself say that with modern means of counter-battery warfare, the Grad has no chance. but at the same time, you urge to book, arm and change something else with "outdated" equipment.

[viktmell]

Delirium. Volley - 20 seconds. This is a complete package. For replaceable ammunition - that's all ... Are you by any chance not from the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ???

[ICT]

Quote: igorka357

but God forbid you fall under the outdated city))

a couple of swearing screams and a lightweight drive home (if not a direct hit)



h. s. Does anyone have data on the radius of effective destruction of a single projectile?

[vladkavkaz]

I don’t know what kind of expansion there is, but when the half-educated lieutenant fired a couple of GRADA missiles at our TB, near Bamut, many TB really did it ...

[ICT]

I'm not talking about scattering, what does the hail hit with a direct hit?


shatter radius that's what interests

[Lopatov]

And you look at the nomenclature of ammunition. Different "heads", different fuses

There is, for example, a funny PC called "9M522 with a detachable warhead"
There are not only ready-made fragments there, he also flies along the most efficient trajectory like a mortar mine

[ICT]

Lopatovafter this video



I wondered, I sat studying all morning (the book is stored somewhere with the whole nomenclature of shells, including AGITAB), but THIS characteristic is not for any type)), I didn’t find the answer

[ZVEROBOY]

A nomenclature of about 20 types of ammunition was released, it is not convenient to write from the planet, I will definitely post it

[Lopatov]

And here comes the funniest thing ...

the thing is that there are no missiles in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with ready-made fragments. They were developed for a foreign customer. And apparently all of these cylinders were found on the bus.
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/gallery/makety-obrazcov-raketnoy-tehniki-v-ekspozic
ii-tulskogo-gosudarstvennogo-muzeya-oruzhiya / #
And here the question arises: who could use them.

[ZVEROBOY]

Quote: Spade

And you look at the nomenclature of ammunition. Different "heads", different fuses

There is, for example, a funny PC called "9M522 with a detachable warhead"
There are not only ready-made fragments there, he also flies along the most efficient trajectory like a mortar mine

On parashyutikah

[Lopatov]

Right True, we seem to have them in service and not ...

[ICT]

Quote: Spade

full time. True, we seem to have them in service and not ...

122-mm missile 9М522 with detachable fragmentation
high explosive head

Condition . It was developed from the 1990's.
Developer .......... GNPP "Splav"
Caliber, mm ............................... 122
Firing Range, km .... to 33-37,51
Warhead:
- type detachable high-explosive fragmentation
- vks, kg .................................. 251
Type of fuse .............. electronic
mechanical remote-contact
301B with induction input
information
- developer ............ Research Institute "Search"
Weight, kg ..................................... 701

[Aleksandr72]

Some new Russian rounds for the Grad:
122-mm unguided missile with a warhead detachable at the end of the flight - index 9M522. The approach of warheads to the ground in the final section of the trajectory (immediately before the detonation) at an angle of 85-90 degrees. Flight range: maximum 37,5 km, minimum - 8 km. During the explosion it gives fragments: finished with a weight of 0,78 g - 1800, finished with a weight of 5,5 g - 600 pcs., Fragments of a case with an average weight of 7,52 g - 1210 pcs.
9M218 - a projectile with cumulative-fragmentation elements for hitting lightly armored targets, manpower, aircraft in the parking lot. Firing Range - 8-30 km. Warhead weighing 25 kg contains 45 cumulative fragmentation elements. Normal armor penetration - up to 100 mm, the number of slaughter splinters - up to 180.
9M217 - a projectile with self-aiming combat elements, designed to destroy armored vehicles. Firing Range - 8-30 km. The weight of the warhead is 25 kg, it contains two self-aiming combat elements, which are fired from the warhead at a given height and are lowered by parachutes. BTT is detected using infrared sensors. The defeat is made by armor-piercing spherical elements fired into the roof of the tank (SA, etc.). Penetration of an element is 60-70 mm of homogeneous armor from a distance of 100 m at an angle of 30 degrees to the normal.
There are other shells, both Russian and imported.
I have no data on the radius of continuous destruction of the Grad HE shell, but a volley of 40 shells ensures the defeat of openly located enemy personnel on an area of ​​1046 square meters. meters.
I have the honor.

[Lopatov]

Palnul is not a lieutenant. He did not control. In any case, I was recently told such a version.
And the second company of TB 693 regiment in the forest belt then slightly hooked. Most people died in the artillery regiment.

[vladkavkaz]

I will not argue who is to blame there and who is not, but I remember in the artillery department, they flattened everyone who was involved in that tragedy, at 58 A, well, respectively, they wrote down the artillery by the first number .. But in fact .. the under-education lieutenant, together with the same half-educated combatant, two assholes are strength ... As they taught in the 90s, I know everyone knows ... 10 lieutenants, a couple from the strength of something who taught and understood, but only one who wanted to serve and learn military affairs. .

[Lopatov]

The battalion commander was not at work, suffered for a subordinate, was not present at the OP. SOB is a biennial. The idea is to blame the chief of staff of the division, his diocese of fire. And he is responsible for the fact that the FSS did not pay attention to the incorrect position of one package - this is visible to the naked eye.

[probka1979]

Katyusha were tame)))

[vladkavkaz]

infantryman2020
A gang of Dudaevites, near Alkhan-kala, as it was, didn’t give a damn about how it was directed there manually .. no .. two KamAZs had 20 tons, they piled with corpses, they no longer complained that the mechanics were manual ...

[Lopatov]

He is right, the car needs modernization.

If we are already talking about "Grads" - you probably know how the paramedic from the artillery regiment from Armenian died.

If automation systems were on those machines, she would have remained alive.

[vladkavkaz]

Yes, I heard.
They also upgrade what kind of blood and sweat it was worth forcing the Moscow polisher bureaucrats, forcing them to transfer the GRADAS from 375 to diesel.

[Lopatov]

Heh ... Carbureted "Ural" is still bearable compared to the twin-engine "Hurricane", which eats 92 gasoline almost a liter per kilometer.

P.S. Sorry, not a liter per kilometer but 135 per hundred

[vladkavkaz]

Heh, yes, we are only in the SA, we did not see any problems with that gas ... and in RA, from torment all the time, I remember the artillery regiment in Shali, as I tried to crawl out on my benders, at 76, our rear pilots are smart to madness , well, so the 50 km march drove for two days, yelling ....

[Lopatov]

It's just different.

Our industrialists have long been offering very advanced electronics that can be installed on artillery guns and MLRS installations.

But, damn it, for some reason nobody needs it. Although there are solid pluses. And time decreases for the deployment of the OP, for opening fire on a new target. And the accuracy is much higher. And the probability of error is very small.

I heard they were ready to install the equipment directly in parts, and not during major repairs. But for some reason they decided that it was superfluous.

[vladkavkaz]

Everything is simple .. money .. It's like in the case of rearmament, replacing the base, from 375 I got into diesel, the simplest thing was at the Novocherkassk arsenal, so no, some kind of parquet sharkun forbade, they say there is no license .. and as always, that who steered streams of pennies, considered that it would not bring him a cash-deal ..

[family tree]

Quote: vladkavkaz

It’s like in the case of re-equipment, replacement of the base, from 375 it was scrapped by diesel, the simplest was at the Novocherkassk arsenal, so no, some kind of parquet sharkun forbade, they say there is no license.

That is, he did not know that in the 92nd issue of the 375s was discontinued and the BM21-1 began to be mounted on 4320 Two years before this mess?

[vladkavkaz]

family tree
Those. it happened in 2002 and lasted .... well, for a long time.
We had the very same bodygun with MTLB, both with machine gun and cannon weapons, exactly the same bodygun with a mortar installation, we were delighted with the mortar guns, where in the troops?
Exactly the same tramp with the machines of the front edge-supply of ammunition, like the Belarusian Mule .. in general, someone obviously does not understand something ..

[family tree]

Quote: vladkavkaz

family tree
Those. it happened in 2002 and dragged on.

Incidentally, -1, only means that the system is mounted on 4320. -I! you need to knock these faces on the table by putting on it a task list for installing the system on a new medium so that it is better absorbed But these licenses for me, damn it, too, well then even the letters consist entirely of matyugs, railway, her mother!

[family tree]

Quote: vladkavkaz

Those. it happened in 2002 and lasted

Cho, for ten years did not reach? Although, licensing in 2001 introduced, would kill!

[Lopatov]

The battle group, most of the time they are in storage. They were replaced last of all.

[family tree]

Quote: Spade

The battle group, most of the time they are in storage. They were replaced last of all.

On the one hand, to kill, glutton, on the first thousand 72nd, on overheating, more technical conditions allow, on the other hand, which fur will go for it love (in the sense) and cry

[family tree]

Quote: Spade

which bursts 92 gasoline

Oh, the 93rd already, well, only at a better price, the rest ...

[viktmell]

You visit the territory of the LDNR - you will find out how outdated `` morally 20-30 years old weapons with manual aiming. '' You will not survive until 2020 (considering that even DS-3 is used (and very effectively). By the way, infantry, a bullet or splinters from WWII weapons are no less effective than from weapons of 2020. Calmly, without hurray, in the line of fire (hail directly).

[Aydin]

POWER AND BEAUTY. These weapons were created to protect the USSR, but after the collapse of the Soviet Union they were actively used to destroy it. It's a shame to tears. Its creators probably could not have imagined it.

[Arktidianets]

The premiere of the City in Damansky was as deafening as the first exit of Katyusha near Orsha

[kirgudu]

Scha Psaka will say that Kuev was shot. ;)

[Mairos]

Quote: psf

Our technology is the best in the world!

Strictly speaking, now China is the leader in the creation of MLRS. Both in terms of range and the types of ammunition used in them. They have MLRS and 200 and 300 km "knocked down". our "Tornadoes" just smoke on the sidelines .. alas.

[probka1979]

Oh well))
And they also produce a lot of quality products.

[probka1979]

And at such distances MLRS do not shoot.
Teach materiel!

[tolancop]

Quote: infantryman2020

Once was a masterpiece. Now, if in the standard version, it’s morally outdated by 20-30 years.
Manual guidance, manual reloading, manual installation of fuses ....
Calm down, do not worth the cheers-patriotism.

A classmate at one time served in the "grads" in Kamchatka. The division's task is to cover a piece of the coast during the landing of enemy troops. For many years, the entire area has been targeted far and wide. The crew of each installation clearly knew their place, where they should stand with an accuracy of a meter. And also at what angle and where to turn the pipes. Incl. manual guidance and so on were not a hindrance to them.

[xomaNN]

Even beyond all military strategies, the Grad has become the "workhorse" of today's Ukrainian. civil war.

[The fat man]

alas, this system was not famous for its use. and erasing and destroying cities and villages with civilians

[igorka357]

What are you talking about? It’s not a weapon that shoots, a man shoots!

[youdji]

Respect to the gunners from the Strategic Rocket Forces !!!

[Tummyr]

In a week, these images will go to UkroSMI as evidence of the presence of the RF Armed Forces in Usrain. Tymchuk is burning!

[gray]

Quote: k174un7

In the Soviet Union, "Grad", like the AK, were perceived as a weapon to protect the peaceful labor of citizens of the state with their army. After the treacherous collapse of the USSR, weapons fell into unclean hands and were often used to destroy those people for whose protection they were created. To prevent weapons from firing at their own people, you need to know "your" villains, traitors and expose the "fifth" column inside the country, pull them out "by the ear and into the sun" and not allow them to come to power.

It is easy to say, but difficult to do. The Roman historian Cornelius Nepos said well about defense: "if you want peace, prepare for war."

[qartzess]

Manual guidance, foot il, what else is there, but the Hail, like the AK and T-72, is a VERY belligerent weapon, and that says something.

[Vitas]

All the time we were taught that we throw the cover under the car, and in the pictures above it is. In the Square he served in the 72nd and 30th brigades on the BM. For all the time they did not go to shootings and exercises. Only the equipment was rolled out from the parks and manually guided, such exercises and service were. I'm not surprised that "modern warriors" from the ATO shoot so crookedly.

[vfck]

and let's "Dawn Apple and Pear, the fog floated over the river ...."

[andrei.yandex]

The technique is wonderful, but for its time. No matter how they were put into service in 1963, therefore it is not regrettable, but judging by the appearance even the 9K51M Tornado-G MLRS, something tells me how they say the generals are preparing for the last war. Although perhaps I am mistaken. By the way, it would be nice to have developments on a caterpillar track and a floating amphibious version, we still are not Europe.

[Lopatov]

But why?

The modernized "Grad" fully complies with modern requirements.

[chenia]

The Grad battery was supposed to be in each SME (previously it was only in separate SMEs-Grad-1.) But the PT division is not needed. Instead, it is better to have a company of tank destroyers in TB. (I think that they will return to the divisional structure - such as SMEs with a regimental set of weapons and a similar structure, but subdivisions of a lower rank).

[vladkavkaz]

chenia
PT division and company are equivalent?
Until 1986, there were 4 platoons in the MCP, then some wise guy removed one platoon from the state, the result was a critical derogation of the anti-tank capabilities of the MCP, including BTR in the state. (Three LNG9 calculations, two ATGMs and Three PKMS)
So the PT division, the thing is not superfluous.
Another issue, in the states of TB, to introduce a company of BMPT, should have been a long time ..

[chenia]

Firstly (RIT) 9 in principle of tanks (it is possible to equip 125 mm from outdated boxes. Have a blade for self-digging and provide for a change in clearance, and even a stabilizer is not needed. And the crew of 2 people is a driver and commander). And now the standards are ATGM and SPRUT in an ambush of 1: 4. and the tank in the trench 1: 8-12 (here it is equal to the fire support helicopter, but much cheaper). So, as a reserve, RIT is more reliable. than the PT division.
And it’s not the direct artillery’s job!

[vladkavkaz]

Octopus, what, this
http://armyman.info/artilleriya/protivotankovaya/17-125-mm-protivotankovaya-push
ka-2a-45m-171sprut-b187.html
OR this
http://warinform.ru/News-view-226.html

The ammunition of the 125-mm Sprut-B cannon includes separate-shell loading rounds with cumulative, sub-caliber and high-explosive fragmentation shells, as well as anti-tank missiles. A 125-mm VBK10 round with a BK14M cumulative projectile can hit M60, M48, and Leopard-1A5 tanks. A shot of a VBM17 with a caliber projectile - tanks of the M1 type Abrams, Leopard-2, Merkava MK2. The VOF-36 shot with the HE26 high-explosive fragmentation projectile is designed to destroy manpower, engineering structures and other targets, the projectile has a powerful explosive charge weighing 3,4 kg of A-IX-2 strong explosive.
If there is a special guidance equipment 9C53, the Sprut can fire shots with the K-14 TOOTH with the 9М119 anti-tank missiles, which are semi-automatic, controlled by a laser beam, the firing range is from 100 to 4000 m. armor behind dynamic protection 24 – 17,2 mm thick.
The armies of the leading Western countries have long abandoned special anti-tank guns, both towed and self-propelled, but as they say, you never know what senility in the West.
Nevertheless, it can be assumed that the towed anti-tank guns have a future. Ballistics and ammunition The 125-mm Sprut-B gun, unified with the cannons of modern T-80 tanks, is capable of hitting any serial tanks in the world. An important advantage of anti-tank guns over ATGMs is a wider choice of means of hitting tanks and the possibility of hitting them point-blank. In addition, the Octopus-B can be used as a non-anti-tank weapon. Its high-explosive fragmentation projectile OF26 is close in ballistic data and in explosive mass to the OF471 shell of the 122-mm A19 cannon, which became famous in World War II.
It all depends on how the PT division is used, if since the army is in Ruins, then there’s nothing to talk about ...

[Lopatov]

The anti-tank division cannot in any way increase the anti-tank capabilities of infantry. He has completely different methods of combat use. Its task is to ensure the deployment and deployment of a second-tier battalion

And the current OPTADN generally complete dregs. It is necessary to remove artillery from them in general. MT-12 is a good thing, almost a sniper rifle. But in modern combat, their effectiveness is near-zero.

I would leave one battery of self-propelled anti-tank systems, upgraded by Chrysanthemums (9K123-1), one battery of Hermes, capable of operating at long ranges from closed fire.
And strengthened each battalion with a platoon of "Cornets"

[Lopatov]

There are few batteries, a division is needed.

[chenia]

Quote: vladkavkaz

And the accuracy is much higher. And the probability of error is very small.

And the accuracy in the background, not the gunners, all the same dispersion will eat everything (accurate aiming).

[Lopatov]

Dispersion can be significantly reduced.

[chenia]

Quote: chenia

Octopus, what, this

And which one in the PT division?
I’m a tactical norm for you, and you are general educational information.
If we talk about the price of the issue, then 9 IT (no more than 9 PU ATGMs and 6 Octopus b.

Quote: vladkavkaz

Octopus-B ”can be used as a non-anti-tank weapon.

It is possible, but the regiment now has a caliber of 152 mm and if the GRAD battery is added generally well. And the affairs of the PT reserve will be more effectively resolved by the RIT, specially sharpened for this purpose.

[Lopatov]

Quote: chenia

And which one in the PT division?

Not in the PT division "Octopus". One or two MT-12 batteries

[Uruska]

Defend the DNI and LC !!

[ZVEROBOY]

Hail, hurricane, tornado are weapons covering areas with a whole assortment of ammunition, and woe to anyone who gets caught in this fiery rain

[Cornet77]

I watched personally and in the immediate vicinity of the fire from the battery and the battalion (urgent in the Armed Forces of Ukraine 95-97). The pleasure is on the verge of sexual, whoever saw it, he will understand. But the salvo of the 2S3 Akatsiy battalion is generally beyond the brink. Especially when setting up the NZO and PZO. ..

[Cornet77]

198th Guards SAP, 93th Guards MD (urban settlement Cherkassky and Guards)
1 and 2 SADn- "Acacia", 3 ReADn-BM-21 "Grad".
The division in 1989 was withdrawn from the South Ossetian Army (Hungary).

[infantryman2020]

Quote: viktmell

You visit the territory of the LDNR - you will find out how outdated `` morally 20-30 years old weapons with manual aiming. '' You will not survive until 2020 (considering that even DS-3 is used (and very effectively). By the way, infantry, a bullet or splinters from WWII weapons are no less effective than from weapons of 2020. Calmly, without hurray, in the line of fire (hail directly).

I propose to keep jokes and arrogance with you. I have combat experience. I had to be under shelling.
Understand the topic of conversation and my arguments from the beginning. In the current armed conflict, the system may fulfill its launchers (as well as the 100-mm field gun Bs -3).
But for modern high-tech warfare, the system is outdated. To my arguments, colleagues have already added the lack of a secure calculation booth.