Human Rights Watch submits a report, which states that there are those responsible for the shelling of Donbas civilians on both sides of the conflict

Representatives of an international human rights organization Human Rights Watch published a report, which presents the preliminary findings of the HRW commissions working in the Donbas, about those responsible for a series of recent tragedies. The report, published on the official website of the organization, states that both parties to the conflict are engaged in active hostilities, refusing to divert heavy equipment and large-caliber artillery systems to the distance stipulated by the agreements.

Representatives of HRW report that, in their opinion, the shelling of a bus near Volnovakhi, as well as the eastern suburbs of Mariupol, was carried out from territories controlled by the DPR militia. Wherein Human Rights Watch question the statements of the Ukrainian side that the Russian army is involved in the conflict.

From the report:

Ukrainian authorities and other governments say that there has been a significant increase in the number of Russian troops in eastern Ukraine. Human Rights Watch did not determine the presence of Russian troops in the east of Ukraine and involvement in any particular attack.

At the same time, representatives of HRW report that Ukrainian troops were involved in the attacks on Donetsk, including the attack on the trolleybus, which was at one of the Donetsk stops.

From the report:

Employees of HRW identified the presence of a rebel base (DNR militia - approx. "VO") approximately 500 meters from the site. Apparently, this base was the goal of the Ukrainian government troops. HRW documented that the rockets fired from Grad hit the residential area. The presence of a rebel military base in the direction of attack and the location of government forces show that government forces are responsible for the attack.

The mass media of Ukraine, covering the HRW report, selected from it only those paragraphs that refer to the responsibility of the militias. Items in which Human Rights Watch accuses representatives of the Ukrainian troops, ukropress decided not to offer their readers for familiarization.

Comments

[Vend]

There are still adequate organizations in the west. This makes me happy

[herruvim]

The junta, led by Poroshenko, bears full responsibility for everything that is happening in Ukraine, for every dead and wounded

[gryaznov.igor.]

I’m not even surprised that the militia is being put on the same line with the freaks from the ruins that bombed the civilian population for a year. These creatures themselves shot at Volnovakha, Mareupol, DOUBLE STANDARDS AT AMERICAN MURDERS. They accuse the DNR and the LNR in their provocations against the militias.

[Jan Krumins]

"It's your fault that I want to eat ..." (Krylov)

[max702]

Quote: Jan Krumins

"It's your fault that I want to eat ..." (Krylov)

This phrase explains absolutely ALL the processes in the world coming from the Western world .. They just want to eat, and since all available resources have been eaten (look at the debts of "civilized countries"), they are forced to eat others, because the capitalist system cannot work differently ..

[Russian hacker]

at the expense of a blow to mariupol I think you need to relax. It is quite possible - and even most likely it is - that they were all the same militias. Well, or it was a very successful provocation - a mosquito will not pop its nose as they say.

the fact is that there were bars hanging from the city right along the middle of the streets. People took off these blanks. All this is easily tied to the terrain and an unambiguous conclusion comes. All shells really flew in from the northeast. And there were militias.

No, I tried hard to draw a line between the positions of ukrov in the sartan and the defeat zone, but not how the northeast does not work out. Sartana, this is north of where the shells fell. And east of Sartana, there were militias.

in addition, it is known that the militias that day launched an attack on Mariupol, which broke off immediately after the attack of the city. You can certainly explain in different ways. Either the militiamen lupanuli accidentally and decided not to take any more risks, or immediately realized that this was a very successful provocation and for some reason stopped storming. However, unequivocal evidence that they were Ukrainians was also not presented.

so I will not rush to conclusions. At least for now.

[sinukvl]

And you ask the residents of Mariupol where the missiles came from. They will unanimously declare to you that they flew to Vostochny from the direction of the Ilyich plant, and this is exactly the north-western direction relative to the East. And there are still no militias in the north-west. And whatever you are fond of finding the militias, where further in the northwest, I will add the range of the Grad system (and it was just Grad, no one here doubts) 3-4 km, depending on the type of charge.

[demon1978]

Quote: sinukvl

And whatever you are fond of finding the militias, where further in the northwest, I will add the range of the Grad system (and it was just Grad, no one here doubts) 3-4 km, depending on the type of charge.

Maybe I misunderstood something ??? !!!

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[ArhipenkoAndrey]

Dear, have you seen, at least once, when a rocket explodes from a hail nearby, say, 5 meters from a vehicle, what happens to it? And in the bus even the glass remained intact in some places - this is nonsense, there was an explosion of some smaller explosive device and a rather large amount of the striking element - it’s very similar to MONK, you would refer to Parashenka with a piece of iron from the bus.

[ddd1975]

... I don’t know the truth, but I draw my conclusions on the facts there are: the closest battles to Mariupol are 58 km in Volnovakha, the maximum hail range is 20,4 km (I can’t be mistaken for a long time I’m not serving). Militia could be fired only from the areas of Kosyanivka, Zarya, Guntovo - there are no militias ... what was the report based on? If the commission cannot merge the performance characteristics of the complex with the current situation - what for do such commissions really need?

[U-47]

Quote: Wend

There are still adequate organizations in the west. This makes me happy

Is it already? Be delighted to read the original report on their website, not the retelling. And in general, go through the news of "adequate organization". Despite the presence of a Russian-language page, I found news on Donbass only in English. I recommend reading. Rejoice.

[NordUral]

Not everything is so optimistic. Here is the Yandex translation of the article from the site:
http://www.hrw.org/news/2015/02/03/ukraine-rising-civilian-death-toll
(Berlin) - separatist rebel forces were probably responsible for the last two illegal assaults withunguided missiles in eastern Ukraine, which together killed at least 41 people, including two children, and injured more than 100 civilians, Human Rights Watch said.

During a recent on-site investigation, Human Rights Watch also found that both Ukrainian government forces and Russian-backed insurgent forces are unnecessarily endangering civilians through the deployment of military targets and the use of explosive ordnance with widespread effect in populated areas, including number near school buildings, in violation of international humanitarian law.

“Two of the deadly attacks from civilian casualties during recent hostilities were due to the illegal use of unguided missiles by Russian-backed rebels,” said Ole Solvang, senior emergency researcher at Human Rights Watch. “All parties must abandon the use of these weapons in settlements.”

Around January 10, 2015, after a relatively calm two months of fighting in eastern Ukraine, government forces and rebels fought for control of Donetsk airport significantly increased and spread to several parts of the Ukrainian front. The intensification of hostilities has led to a significant increase in accidents..

A medical official gathering of information from rebels and government-controlled areas said at least 341 people, including 71 women and 6 children, died in the Donetsk region in January. A Human Rights Watch study found that a significant number of January victims were civilians, including children aged 2.

Many of the recent deaths were due to violations of the laws of war, in particular the illegal use of unguided rockets in densely populated areas, Human Rights Watch found. 24 January unguided rockets, probably launched from rebel-controlled territory, killed 30 civilians and 1 soldiers in Mariupol and injured more than 90 civilians. One of the missiles hit the school’s courtyard. On January 13, unguided rockets, it is also possible to launch from rebel-controlled territory, 12 civilians are killed and 18 are wounded at a checkpoint near Volnovakha. Circumstances indicate Ukrainian government forces' responsibility for the unguided missile attack in Donetsk on January 13, killing two civilians.

So that's it, do not flatter yourself.

[Volodin]

If Yandex is already given "translation" of the article, then why, in this case, only 20% of the text - "translation" of the report is presented? And where is the rest of it about Donetsk, trolleybus, etc.? The news text seems to have a link to the full text.

It is unlikely that someone seduced

[U-47]

Quote: NordUral

Not everything is so optimistic. Here is the Yandex translation of the article from the site:

b..d
it is much more pessimistic that the language of the eventual adversary did not bother to learn ... take it and go to the site. Without Volodin and VO. Without Yandex. No comments. Everything is clear there.

[Pomah]

The main word everywhere in such "reports" is PROBABLY ...

that is, it is likely that the incredible is obviously ...

[Sid.74]

HRW representatives report that, in their opinion, the shelling of the bus near Volnovakha, as well as the eastern outskirts of Mariupol, was carried out from territories controlled by the DPR militia.

This "Human Right Watch" determines the direction of the strikes from the photographs! What can be discussed. How are they represented in the Donbass, well, I understand the OSCE in the Donbass, but where are these?
Grant-eaters from the West, who portray vigorous human rights activities with the money of the West, so that local humanists do not get too excited! Hence the game of objectivity, when not with one's own, not a stranger.

In 2010, philanthropist businessman George Soros announced a $ 100 million commitment over the next decade to support the organization. Human Rights Watch is one of the most effective organizations that I support, "Soros said.

And go to the Russian website of this organization, you will immediately understand everything.
https://www.hrw.org/ru

An example of submitting information from a site.

Russia: Sentence in the case of the attack on Nalchik
Punitive arson in Chechnya
Homophobic violence and the persecution of the LGBT community in Russia
Russia: Offensive on Human Rights Continues
Ukraine: War in the East, the occupation of Crimea
Etc.

But the section is about the USA. Feel the difference.

USA: Reform Police and Criminal Justice
USA: Surveillance negatively affects journalism, advocacy, and democracy
Uzbekistan: US must use high-level meeting to counter violations

But what does Latynin's "oscilloscope arrow" say about this organization?

... Two tricks that HRW uses to constantly criticize Israel are very simple. The first is a refusal to study the causes of the conflict. “We are not studying the causes of the conflict,” says HRW, “we are studying how parties to the conflict respect human rights.” Wow! Imagine that you are a woman who was attacked by a maniac in the forest, and you managed to shoot him. From the perspective of HRW human rights defenders, you will be to blame. The second method is even simpler - it is juggling, silence and falsehood.

Oleg Popov, who participated in the human rights movement from 1969 to 1982

“HRW took over the functions of outreach for the diplomatic, economic and military intervention of NATO countries, primarily the United States, in the internal affairs of other countries”

Latynina condemns HRW for condemning Israel, and Popov, who directly accuses HRW of aiding NATO! Good organization.

[siberalt]

Yes, there is nothing adequate there. They cut it in half from the middle. Where this article migrated to "VO" is not clear, but at least there was a link to the text of the report. Or is it owls. secret? There is a website, but it is in English.

[APASUS]

Quote: Wend

There are still adequate organizations in the west. This makes me happy

This is where you considered the adequacy here ??
Just look at how many Human Rights Watch reports began to appear and compare them in time with what is happening in Ukraine. Moreover, it is better to read the entire report yourself.
When it was already inconvenient for civilians to notice blood in the Donbass, they began to write something slowly and then ...........

[vitaliy.rnd]

Is HRW an adequate organization?
Yes, all their reports admitting little fault of the West, only for this purpose, and are made to show the great "guilt" of the East. We have already encountered this false objectivity of theirs.

[kgbers]

HRW is far from an independent organization. The definition would be more suitable for her: "Both ours and yours"

[Nikoha.2010]

Quote: Wend

There are still adequate organizations in the west. This makes me happy

Anatoly! Explain what is the adequacy of these organizations. I do not understand. I have not been there, but judge why kill your militia? This is the prerogative of ukroinsky sun! IMHO!

[samuil60]

And what do you see as adequate? It’s the same as if this lesbian organization during the Great Patriotic War declared that the shelling was carried out from both sides. And, believe me, I would say! In the language of the 90s, this miraculous organization, like everything else in the West, was tied up.

[Homo]

Quote: Wend

There are still adequate organizations in the west. This makes me happy

Very adequate, licked the ass all at once!

[Ruthless]

At least some kind of sense may come from similar pravozakhSHITnikov ...

[unsinkable]

From the like, no use. A lot of verbiage.

[kelevra]

The UN has been shut up for a long time! The OSCE also has no vote who cares about this organization! If they had the authority to stop shelling, and so, chatter! All of their collected reports then go to the trash, since the whole Geyropa is still silent because of the large number of dead civilians! It’s important for them to mourn 12 freaks who themselves are to blame for their deaths by stamping caricatures, but they don’t give a damn about more than 5 thousand civilians of Donbass. they are doing intelligence for the USA!

[viktor561]

Whoever the US appoints is to blame! In the modern, not democratic, but demonic world of double standards - there is no truth and never will be

[Russian hacker]

There is certainly complete nonsense in the media - but this still does not attach much attention.
For 20 years in Germany I never cease to be surprised. Here everyone is used to and reconciled to the fact that the media is a fairy tale and has long been scored.

I asked the Germans a simple question.
Is it normal if the media is allowed to intentionally lie?
They answer - of course - what's wrong? freedom of speech.

So they relate to everything that is happening in the world. Few people really care because they understand that they are still being deceived, and this is normal!

Almost all Germans scored about Ukraine. This for them is like some kind of conflict between some kind of African natives. And it doesn’t matter how many natives were killed there, for a German. Indeed, in their opinion, Putin personally killed.

Those who did not score, however, are well aware of what is happening, but only noble RT.
I'm sorry for those. It is difficult to imagine the degree of dissonance of a German who is beginning to realize what kind of ass his country has got, which has practically no military potential.

In other matters, wait and see.

[Roman 1977]

Human Rights Watch submits a report, which states that there are those responsible for the shelling of Donbas civilians on both sides of the conflict
Yes, you say such a thing, after all, you have partially admitted the guilt of the Ukrainian troops, as they will soon admit that they are guilty in general, but how interesting it turns out:

[Hronyaka]

We know who is to blame. First to blame the guilty in Kiev, then in Washington!

[Nick Nick]

Do not flatter yourself, it seems to me that they do so HOW THEY ARE TALKED TO THEM ... then it is NECESSARY like that.

[Evgen2x]

Damn, hang Porosenko)) and then you need to hang it on Balabama !!!

[bort4145]

Do not know how

Employees of HRW identified the presence of a rebel base (DNR militia - approx. "VO") approximately 500 meters from the site. Apparently, this base was the goal of the Ukrainian government troops. HRW documented that the rockets fired from Grad hit the residential area. The presence of a rebel military base in the direction of attack and the location of government forces show that government forces are responsible for the attack.

But I watched this video

[vignat21]

Minus for Volnovakha and Melitopol.

[Chernig]

An experienced optometrist will provide honey. help and professional. treatment to all OSCE and HRW participants

[mamont5]

Quote: Wend

There are still adequate organizations in the west. This makes me happy

And what is their "adequacy"? Is it that they are trying to blame the shelling at Volnovakha and Mariinsk on the DPR militia? They confirm the general condition, which is already known to everyone, and on key issues they roll to the DPR.

[U-47]

Quote: mamont5

And what is their "adequacy"? Is it that they are trying to blame the DPR militia for the shelling at Volnovakha and at Mariinsk?

Yes, no damn these reports do not mean. And Donbass is only a small segment in their activities. Visit their website: Kuwait, Egypt, Zimbabwe, Iraq, even the cotton problems of Uzbekistan with the World Bank. I am already silent about concern with gays in Russia. State inspiration for someone else is a secret? ... Yes lana ...

[vovan089]

Sheer lies and distortion of real facts - in the blood of Ukrainian Ukrainians. Why be surprised ???

[U-47]

Quote: vovan089

Sheer lies and distortion of real facts

Do you have any facts?

Quote: vovan089

in the blood of Ukrainians

What the fuck do you mean? The company is not biased at all.

Quote: vovan089

Why be surprised ???

The fact that the staf of this organization is risking their life if this is a secret for you. And that’s it.

[ZORKA76]

Quote: Wend

There are still adequate organizations in the west. This makes me happy

What is the adequacy of this organization ???????????????? The fact that they are in the typical Europodoras style find the guilty where they are not.
Instead of identifying specific individuals guilty of civilian killings, they move the arrows to the other side, we will not see evidence. As with the Malaysian Boeing ....

[wanderer_032]

The points at which Human Rights Watch accuses the representatives of the Ukrainian troops, dill decided not to offer its readers for familiarization.

This is understandable, given that there is a war. But in war, as in war.

[Abbra]

I do not believe in the independence of this and similar organizations. They will weave anything at the request of their owners.

[igorka357]

HRW is an adequate organization))))? As long as there is no Churkin and Lavrov in it, this is the same mongrel of the west ... Where the bone is thrown there and runs .... Well, they made fun ... adequate ...)))))

[Siberian]

A human organization sprang up in a year ... Longer only elephants carry their cubs.

[Sergey-8848]

The wording of the report is very convenient for interpretation in the right direction by anyone and as you like! The organization exists, works, writes reports, publishes them, and what next? None of the diplomats will seriously accept the report as an official document, but wave it like a bogey (or a piece of bus lining) - this is welcome!
They interpreted the Yugoslav tangle of wars extremely one-sided, and they generally study hot spots in the East from a distance (you can understand them, it’s easy to put the head off and just like that). And in Ukraine - they feed, water, dress, provide transport, and they don’t just cut their heads.
So the efficiency of a human rights office with all their enthusiasm is less than that of a steam locomotive (at least he was driving, and with them, everything goes to the whistle report!)

[Bob]

Human Rights Watch. It would seem a peaceful organization. Today I watched from reports from Donetsk how indifferently they looked at the corpses of people lying on the sidewalk, moreover, they stepped over them and noted something there. Immediately thought - and what is the reason for this indifference ...? And then the facts of the refusal of the work of the OSCE mission and other organizations in a combat situation ... And you know, the reason is that they do not value anything else in life in life - but only YOUR LIFE (skin) This is their true one. Therefore, what trust in similar Geyropovsky organizations, yes they burn in the fire ... No Europeans will be told no offense, but they crossed the red line. Let them prepare for retribution ... And from where they will fly, let them pray to those Gods whom they have long abandoned.

[pvv113]

The Ukrainian media, covering the HRW report, chose from it only those paragraphs that talk about the responsibility of the militias

Ukrainian media work wonders to distort the facts and zombie the population

[klavyr]

Quote: Wend

There are still adequate organizations in the west. This makes me happy

there may be organizations, but if you read INOSMI, it is clear that these organizations are not cited with statements of this kind. these phrases are intended more for you and me to cloud your mind

[vlad-58]

Human Rights Watch is another Greenpeace! Under the guise of "investigations" - "sculpt a hunchback"! Who finances them? Having found this out, it will become clear who they work for (although it seems that it is already obvious - the freelance department of PACE, OSCE and other EUs ...)

[Russian hacker]

but what the hell can be proved.

It would be a bomb capable of tearing Europe into small pieces if there was a scandal in Europe about the bias of the HRV or the OSCE. I tell you this after living 20 years in Europe. Here HRV is like a certain standard of truth. God forbid the HRV gets dirty in something, it will be a severe crisis. Then they will only begin to watch what really happens there - but the truth is, if it floats in Europe, it will tear it to pieces.

[mr.Man]

0:00 - There are no civilians in the occupied territories ...

God see everything:

[Alexander 3]

class !!!. It would be nice if the mine flew into his mouth.

[Dezinto]

Yeah, we saw their work in the Donbas in the summer when the mass graves of local residents with their hands tied behind their backs were excavated .....

Watch watchee nowhere ....

[mehmeh]

This is another office
Again the brain is being processed by our wise men
How humanitarian
Support))
Vopschem office that still
Obama has no suckers. these humanities one of the tools

[Dali]

... they wrote more than once on the VO, and the people laid out eyewitnesses and videos, and the militia laid out specific facts that the city of militias at that time was not closer than 50 km, and the blow was from the territory controlled by dill!

And you Human Rights Watch, Human Rights Watch ... Fuck, Fuck, Fuck ... Yes, they've been blindfolded with green paper for a long time !!!

[Yasondinalt]

Both ours and yours. No investigation has been conducted. And then there was no crawling there

[Konstantin Creek]

The main thing is that they prove that Russia is not a party to the conflict and this is an intra-Ukrainian crisis. And which side to support Russia is not for the West to decide.

[Nzn]

Quote: Wend

There are still adequate organizations in the west. This makes me happy

It’s you who got excited :) All the existing Western organizations are only spokesmen for the interests of the same West. What adequacy can we talk about ?? It will only be adequate if they are beneficial for them, or they will be very afraid.