Analytical program "However" with Mikhail Leontyev, 06 September 2011




Another gas scandal is brewing between Russia and Ukraine. Despite the current contract, signed by Tymoshenko in the 2009 year, which is simply unilaterally impossible to break. Actually, this very contract causes the discontent of the Ukrainian side. Hence, all the creative initiatives of the Ukrainian authorities. Change the formula, tying gas to coal prices, dissolve Naftogaz - a signatory from the Ukrainian side, and - oh, horror! - apply to the Stockholm arbitration court.

“I hope we have enough wisdom to find a joint solution, without a trial. And I consider the court to be the last resort when all our possibilities are exhausted during the negotiations,” said President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych.

The caution of the Ukrainian president can be understood: to break the existing contract with the help of the Stockholm arbitration is difficult. There is no legal basis for this. If you suspect political grounds - and it happens! - then there is even less hope. To recognize the contract as invalid means to plant Yulia Tymoshenko, accused of signing this particular contract, by the hands of European justice.

Chef can not be disturbed: the position of the chef is known. With regard to the dispersal of the guilty Naftogaz - it is generally separate история, no relation to contractual obligations not having. In the context of international law, he should still have a legal successor. In fact, the position of the Russian side looks legally flawless, although seemingly extremely tough.

The price formula fixed by the current agreement contains a coefficient linked to the prices of petroleum products for the previous 9 months. Plus, Ukraine received a 20 percent discount for 2009. As a result, in 2009 Ukraine bought gas for an average of $ 230 per thousand cubic meters, in 2010 - about 260. Now Ukraine, taking into account the one-hundred-dollar discount received for extending the lease of the Black Sea base fleetpays about 320, which roughly corresponds to the price of gas for Europe. Given the current price of petroleum products, according to Gazprom head Alexei Miller, “you can say in the highest degree of confidence” that in the next quarter, the price of gas for Ukraine may go beyond $ 500 per thousand cubic meters. As Miller subtly noted, "this is causing concern to consumers in Ukraine."

Still would! Not only anxiety, but also envy. Neighboring Belarus pays for gas at half the price. True, neighboring Belarus is in the Customs Union, that is, in a single economic space with Russia. And Gazprom is the co-owner of the Belarusian pipe. Actually, exactly this is offered to Ukraine. Moreover, Yanukovych himself said something about the Customs Union. However, then, as usual, he made the "European choice". In fact, Ukraine does not have any shreds on the "European choice", given the current situation in the European Union. While the Customs Union with Russia offers Ukraine obvious and very large-scale advantages. But that is Ukraine, not Yanukovych. It seems involuntarily that this is not exactly the same thing.

“We are faced with a situation in which Ukraine is losing large amounts of money today,” Viktor Yanukovych said. “We are convinced that we are incurring extra costs today. We cannot sit back and take no active steps to somehow resolve this issue.”

Faced? And take action! However, not all active actions are a means of resolving the issue. Talk about coal and the Stockholm arbitration, in any case, is not exactly the solution to this issue. It remains to assume that the Ukrainian authorities solve some other issues. What kind?
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  1. Foamas 7 September 2011 10: 00 New
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    One court in Sweden already “won”, take two? Yes, and enough coal. Go Ukraine..........!
    1. His
      His 7 September 2011 20: 49 New
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      I think that Ukraine is not a country that can do the weather for Russia. Now is not the 90s. Forces began to appear, the modernization of the army and navy is ongoing. People in Russia perceive everything differently, the Soviet period in the heads of people has ended. You can be rude, but the example of Georgia is probably a good example. Crimea can be returned, however. Indulged in foreign territory and that's enough
      1. Splin
        Splin 7 September 2011 20: 56 New
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        Well, Crimea does not give you peace. I advise you to restore order at home, and Crimeans in Ukraine are comfortable. Do not listen only to the RTR sample.
        1. His
          His 7 September 2011 21: 06 New
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          I would advise you to sit quietly. And that was the time Russia and Poland somehow inadvertently joined to itself. Now of course we do not need old territories, the population is small. And in the future, everything may change. The main thing is not to provoke a great country
  2. raf
    raf 7 September 2011 10: 15 New
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    And Yanukovich’s interesting logic is to link gas prices to coal prices. What’s the reason for coal here, I don’t understand? Or maybe it’s better for straw prices, it will be much cheaper!
    1. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 7 September 2011 10: 18 New
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      Halyavshchik THIS YANUKOVICH. WANTS RUSSIA FOR BEAUTIFUL EYES NURSED DARMOEDOV.
      1. Professor 7 September 2011 11: 27 New
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        How much does Russia pay for deploying its fleet in Ukraine? Isn't that a freebie?
        1. Beil88 13 September 2011 15: 07 New
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          $ 100 million. This is not a freebie.
    2. Superduck
      Superduck 7 September 2011 21: 19 New
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      Almost all European countries are linked to their alternative fuels. Germany accurately and Poland (seem) calculates the price of Russian gas based on the cost of brown coal. I don’t remember the exact meaning of the formula, if you find it interesting yourself.
      1. His
        His 7 September 2011 21: 23 New
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        Don't like don't buy
        1. Superduck
          Superduck 7 September 2011 21: 28 New
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          23% of Gazprom's sales are not at a loss worth noting ..
          1. His
            His 7 September 2011 21: 34 New
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            Gazprom is a Russian company. I am for domestic business
    3. PSih2097 12 September 2011 11: 51 New
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      And Yanukovich’s interesting logic is to link gas prices to coal prices. What’s the reason for coal here, I don’t understand? Or maybe it’s better for straw prices, it will be much cheaper!

      to fat.
  3. Igor Vladimirovich
    Igor Vladimirovich 7 September 2011 10: 26 New
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    It seems to me that the "gas war" is the conflict of interests of business elites. Tymoshenko needed to sign the contract at all costs (there was no choice, and support and non-resistance of the Kremlin were necessary), so she signed. I won’t be surprised if she still had some kind of financial interest in this matter. And Yanukovych does what the puppeteers say or allow him. I hope there is no naive about his independence in politics?
    1. Marat
      Marat 7 September 2011 21: 19 New
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      I will support, of course, the dispute between the "oligarchs" and stand on the other hand. The peoples of Russia and Ukraine should regard this as a "domestic quarrel"

      And by and large, Ukrainians would be more profitable to choose their "elites" in the direction of the customs union. Not only because right here and right now gas will become cheaper, but also because in a single economic space with Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, Ukraine will have a stable market for high-tech products (after all, the CU and CES are an option of the USSR2)

      In the West, no one needs Ukrainian thoughtfulness - an extra competitor. Look what happened to the Baltic states - with their WEF transistors, RAF minibuses, etc. And the former socialist countries - remember the Globe peas - and now solid Heinz

      We all, the former post-Soviet republics, lose if we embed ourselves in the "new world order" - we are doomed to become the raw materials appendages of the West and, in any case, lose our industrial and scientific potential.
      The "division of labor" leaves us with the role of outsiders.

      The only way out is to create an “own” domestic market — where (again, as in the USSR) Belarus and Ukraine could supply industrial products, Kazakhstan could still be raw materials (they say, again, a raw materials appendage is all the same - but firstly, everything was done under the USSR to to develop industry in Kazakhstan as well - secondly, it’s better to feed the fraternal republics and peoples as part of a single "family" - than a foreign and hostile overseas "uncle")
  4. Splin
    Splin 7 September 2011 10: 34 New
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    Bullshit. At the beginning of 2010, Leontyev was here in Odessa. Another second round of elections did not pass. Scold naturally Yushch, praised Yanukovych. He thought that Yanek would be pro-Russian. And he was neither pro-Western nor pro-Russian. The new type is pro-Ukrainian. He thinks about Ukraine not as a nation, but as a country. Azarov, by the way, was born in Kaluga and everyone knows that for him the Ukrainian language is no easier than Chinese. But also protects the interests of his country. And the only binding to coal is nonsense. Oil also has this formula. Actually, these are multilevel calculations. Just one type of energy-gasoline (which has never been used in Ukraine), replace with coal. A similar formula with gasoline, for some reason, is taken from the Italian example. By the way, last year Italy seized a discount on gas from Gazprom.
    And Miller is so worried, because Ukraine, the largest importer of gas in Europe, and for some reason without a Kharkov agreement, must pay more than Germany. Most likely, after Tymoshenko left, Gazprom drank a week for the contract she signed.
    PS True, where does the "Military Review" I can not understand ...?
    1. Beil88 13 September 2011 15: 14 New
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      All people and everyone is wrong. Leontiev was also mistaken.

      Pro-Ukrainian = pro-Western. Otherwise, there is no point in the existence of the state of Ukraine.

      Italy does not pursue an anti-Russian policy - for such friends it is not difficult to make a discount.

      They didn’t drink, it didn’t matter. Is the signature worth it? Do it.
  5. Patriot
    Patriot 7 September 2011 11: 19 New
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    LESHA pancake

    The fact is that neither he nor Lukashenko are freeloaders.
    1-They are simply the heads of countries that advocate much more for their economy and people than our medveputes
    2 is the same classic of the genre. Let's just say there are just countries, but there are big countries (such as the United States, China, European states). And, here the latter should somehow - with polytheistic or economic instruments - stimulate the loyalty of the former in relation to themselves. That's all. If America wants someone to be friends with her, she pays money. If the USSR wanted to be friends with him, he also paid money, in one form or another.
    1. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 8 September 2011 01: 50 New
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      where money doesn’t help, more effective means (the example of NATO bombing) with UKRAINE are a state agreement, it must be implemented whether it is a matter of taste or not. Otherwise, all contracts are worthless if they are violated when they like.
      1. Splin
        Splin 8 September 2011 04: 45 New
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        And he will be executed. No one will unilaterally tear it apart; it will be executed either until the end of the contract, or until both parties review it, or until the decision of the International Court of Justice.
  6. Patriot
    Patriot 7 September 2011 12: 09 New
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    Splin
    And he was neither pro-Western nor pro-Russian. The new type is pro-Ukrainian. He thinks about Ukraine not as a nation, but as a country.
    And Miller is so worried, because Ukraine, the largest importer of gas in Europe, and for some reason without a Kharkov agreement, must pay more than Germany. Most likely, after Tymoshenko left, Gazprom drank a week for the contract she signed.


    Speak correctly, Dear. The first steps of Yanukovych I represent him as such a business executive who advocates for the health of the Ukrainian economy. But your previous identity with a scythe showed its SALE. By signing a speculative price agreement with RasPUTIN. At the same time, one does not have to be a prophet to suppose with a great deal of truth that kickbacks were laid there for both sides. And, it seems to me, Putin in a different way, without the corruption component, simply cannot work. As they say, a fish rots from the head.

    AND IN GENERAL, YANUKOVICH YOUNG. WITH MEDVEUTS AND ATTENDED OLIGARCHES EXACTLY SO SUCH.
    1. Beil88 13 September 2011 15: 23 New
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      Well, you’re ridiculous) Yanukovych is a business executive?))) There are all sooo big business executives, they only compete with each other since 2004 in the best housekeeping!)) One business manager lost this interesting competition and now she is waiting for another, less interesting pastime. .. Such rules they already have ... Among business executives) According to these rules, others play with them. So there’s nothing to be offended, gentlemen, "business executives."
  7. lokdok
    lokdok 7 September 2011 15: 16 New
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    The fact is that neither he nor Lukashenko are freeloaders.
    1-They are simply the heads of countries that advocate much more for their economy and people than our medveputes

    Your logic is strange - (going to your terminology) if medveputs require more money for raw materials, then they do not advocate for their country, and if onions or yanyk want a discount on Russian raw materials, then they advocate for their country ...
    1. Splin
      Splin 7 September 2011 15: 30 New
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      They do not want a discount, but an objective price. You do not sell a piece of bread at the price of salmon, just because except you all sit without bread. Bread has a price, but it does not equal red or black caviar.
      1. ytqnhfk
        ytqnhfk 8 September 2011 10: 24 New
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        Price is often not limited to conscience, more often it is calculated by greed!
  8. lokdok
    lokdok 7 September 2011 15: 59 New
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    But an agreement has been signed, the price has been set - and if oil had fallen in price, Ukraine would have paid more? The contract was signed amid cheaper oil. Now the price is too high, tomorrow oil will become cheaper, it will be underestimated.
    Russia also does not like many of the agreements signed with Ukraine, but Russia complies with them.
    1. Splin
      Splin 7 September 2011 17: 23 New
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      Oil was not much cheaper, but there was a shift. So what? And for some reason, gas prices rose in Russia in the summer, and in Ukraine the price of gas did not decrease. I say the formula is multi-level, and not the direct dependence of oil and gas. Yes, even a quarter late. Many contracts are unsuccessful, there are plenty of examples for both Russia and Ukraine, but they are not bonded.
  9. sancho 7 September 2011 17: 05 New
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    In general, of course, the policy of our United Russian Government is not clear. Rather, it is clear that pockets are stuffed with money ... As a result, ordinary people in Ukraine and in Russia suffer. If the government is tougher, but more important, why not sign a contract repaying payment for the Black Sea Fleet 20 years ahead? And then ...... can Crimea buy gas? Che, then pull the cat ...?
  10. Patriot
    Patriot 7 September 2011 17: 15 New
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    lokdok

    Yes. Namely, if they demand more money for raw materials, they do not advocate for the country, but for those oligarchic structures that are behind medical deputies. And ALL. You are ... Do not worry about this. The Russians are unlikely to get this money. After all, few people asked where half of the stabilization fund spent after September 2008 had gone. And, according to various estimates, from 250 to 400 billion dollars. If a new crisis begins, there will be a new cut. That's all!
    1. lokdok
      lokdok 7 September 2011 17: 40 New
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      But is it not so in America or Germany, France - remember what noise was when the shell was driven off Sakhalin? All countries support their business structures. And then their business structures buy industrial equipment in their own country, factories operate in their own country, and most taxes are paid in their own country. Social taxes are already being built on these taxes.
      In addition: http: //www.gazprom.ru/social/

      In 2008, all countries supported their financial structures. There are no other methods in our world economy structure, where there is more speculative money on the market than industrial money.
      PS Does Yanyk advocate for Ukraine or for business structures?
    2. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 8 September 2011 09: 56 New
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      It took a program that you essentially don’t know about! But this is not a reason to disgrace everyone and everything around!
      1. solodova 12 September 2011 14: 08 New
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        So tell me, I only know crooks who got a place in the social programs and for taking bribes.
        1. ytqnhfk
          ytqnhfk 13 September 2011 10: 27 New
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          Looking through Lice’s comments, I came across a very interesting conclusion that you are quite calm, but constantly, against everything that is happening in our country - not noticing the improvements, which you acknowledge then turn around and denigrate! If YOU are so bad in your (native?) Country then it’s logical question. What keeps you here ??? Why sit at the computer and carry only the negative? Now it’s not 70 when no one was allowed to leave the cordon! You can safely leave no one keeps you! I have a lot of friends who work without proper education and live for everyone likes the border !!
  11. AleksUkr 7 September 2011 17: 15 New
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    At one time, some of our young reformers claimed that the market would regulate itself. That’s what it regulates. There’s nothing for Yanukovych to buttle like a young bull. I, in general, am not a supporter of Putin. I believe that it is time for him to retire, or finally join a party and engage in party work. But why is Yanukovych a statesman and takes care of his country, and then Putin did not take care? Well done! I managed to solder Julia for the most I do not want. Let now rejoice. In general, sunny Ukraine has stolen a lot from us. Let them rejoice that they were not then nailed to a shameful column, such a small column ...
    1. Splin
      Splin 7 September 2011 17: 39 New
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      And who caught the hand ?. Why blame using the media cliche. So you can go far. And about the general secretaries of Ukrainians and about the Pereyaslovskaya Rada to talk .. It is necessary to argue somehow differently.
      Even if Ukraine stole, what stolen goods went to ordinary people ?. Mass got a three-finger shape. And now to pay neither the rich out of pocket, but ordinary people. We can say that we have the government that has us. And in Russia, perhaps a friend?
      1. ytqnhfk
        ytqnhfk 8 September 2011 09: 53 New
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        Differently! Because it’s better than almost all the neighbors.
        1. solodova 12 September 2011 14: 14 New
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          What is different? What volumes are exported so that absolutely nothing to leave the country will be too obvious and cause a riot?
    2. Splin
      Splin 7 September 2011 17: 50 New
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      Yes, by the way, natural selection is also regulated by nature. But we are not animals. You should not write off all regulatory functions.
  12. Patriot
    Patriot 7 September 2011 18: 17 New
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    lokdok

    Concerning "speculative money in the market more than industrial money has not been invented" ... Many have already expressed themselves that the world is on the verge of strong changes in economic and political systems.
  13. kagorta 7 September 2011 19: 47 New
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    What is done is done. If Ukraine wants to get a discount, then it should offer something in return. And the talk about what gas should cost us, as for Belarus, because this is a "fair price" for us is ridiculous, if not strange. They may ask for a discount from Europe. But Sevastopol can be bought for gas.
    1. Bos-s
      Bos-s 7 September 2011 20: 52 New
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      Quote: kagorta
      If Ukraine wants to get a discount, then it should offer something in return.

      We offer: Take Tymoshenko from us forever and without the right to return. wink
      1. raf
        raf 7 September 2011 21: 18 New
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        No thanks, we have enough of ours!
        1. chehywed 8 September 2011 02: 57 New
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          If you put a salt shaker on her head, then you can meet foreign delegations. Save on flour.
          1. Splin
            Splin 8 September 2011 04: 49 New
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            I am not an enemy of the neighbors. Believe me, the flour saved will not be worth it, it will hang over your heels too. Until now, the Russian Ministry of Defense has 400 million dollars, and this is without a meter.
  14. zczczc
    zczczc 8 September 2011 02: 03 New
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    If you want a clever idea, boycott the discussion of intra-Slavic problems. Generally. The more noise in this area, the worse for us all. This is a sign that we have.

    I propose voting against any articles directly exposing any Slavic people in a negative way. Not because we are angels, but because there is nothing to endure quarrels from the hut. In the end, who needs to be sorted out, and we will only quarrel quarrelsomely.

    And vice versa - should and should discuss external issues. It will only unite us.
    1. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 8 September 2011 10: 08 New
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      Clear, wise thought and most importantly coming from the heart!
  15. chehywed 8 September 2011 02: 54 New
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    Why is there such a commotion over GAZPROM? Does anyone present have stocks? Why are they imposing GAZPROM = RUSSIA? Russia has already sold this gas, at a ridiculous price, to Gazprom itself, and now we have to worry about Gazprom gas leaks with Ukraine. We are told that Ukraine is in the pocket of an ordinary citizen of the Russian Federation. In my opinion, having no ability to solve internal problems, we they pose the problem of a PRIVATE company as a Russian one. Because the gas transportation system of Ukraine will be reassigned to someone, salaries in Russia will not increase, except in GAZPROM. And by the way, does anyone know the domestic price of gas?
    1. zczczc
      zczczc 8 September 2011 03: 19 New
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      For 2010: http://gazpromquestions.ru/?id=35#c251

      In general, Klepach (Deputy Minister of Economic Development and Trade of the Russian Federation) once said that the domestic price of gas is 45% of the export minus the price of transportation).
  16. ytqnhfk
    ytqnhfk 8 September 2011 09: 50 New
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    I want to say that “friendship is friendship and shag apart”, by the way, America promotes all over the world (nothing personal for the sake of business), but the presidents of neighboring countries pursue their goals political, financial and others. It’s not profitable for the union of countries to be afraid of losing power!
  17. sancho 8 September 2011 10: 02 New
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    Quote: ytqnhfk
    I want to say that “friendship is friendship and shag apart”, by the way, America promotes all over the world (nothing personal for the sake of business), but the presidents of neighboring countries pursue their goals political, financial and others. It’s not profitable for the union of countries to be afraid of losing power!


    Now, if you live only by this principle, then you will sit like an American and wait on which side the plane or something else will crash down on you ... With such a Pindos policy of relations, they have no friends, only assholes. Lizov. Which at a convenient moment will turn away, spit and forget. Our policy must come from centuries-old traditions.
  18. Patriot
    Patriot 8 September 2011 12: 33 New
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    zczczc

    My friend. It’s not necessary to vote here, but to go to the streets. And strive, like all civilized countries.

    WAKE UP RUSSIAN BEAR!
    1. zczczc
      zczczc 8 September 2011 12: 47 New
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      Do you propose to arrange a demonstration with posters "give free gas to Ukraine" or "we will not give Ukraine anything"? Something I did not understand, your call :)

      In the article and my comment, it was specifically about relations with Ukrainians. I do not specifically use the word Ukraine, because the very fact of using the names of states already divides people.
      1. ytqnhfk
        ytqnhfk 8 September 2011 17: 49 New
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        Not what I’m not calling for. I’m trying to say that it would be good for us with the Slav brothers, but this is not beneficial for the leadership of these countries. They are afraid of losing power and hoping for "democracy going west (EU or Amer), but there they softly lay but have a hard time sleeping. , use and throw away, and they dream of free cheese!
        1. zczczc
          zczczc 9 September 2011 01: 19 New
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          ytqnhfkYes, I didn’t say anything about you :)
  19. Patriot
    Patriot 8 September 2011 14: 03 New
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    Yes. Need to do. At least do something.
    It is necessary to take to the streets and protest against the current government. Is it really not clear. She does not have the right to exist in RUSSIA.
    Otherwise, a horse. Otherwise, medveputy will continue the collapse of the Russian Federation. Moreover, the Russian people need to unite with Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan. And create your own economic and customs space. Is it really not clear that the gdp plan and I will give it is clearly sharpening our economy under a raw materials appendage. Take a look around. Open your eyes. What do you buy Russian apart from products? What? All somehow complicated things produced in other countries. Where the level of technology development and labor productivity are higher. And, of course, in these countries the cost is lower.
    And if we are drawn into the WTO, then that's it. THIS WILL BE THE LAST IMPACT ON OUR SICK COUNTRY FROM DIMA AND VOVA.
    Further there will be a point of no return.
    1. zczczc
      zczczc 8 September 2011 15: 42 New
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      To start, vote :)

      Only one point - what is the connection between my commentary on the unbearable quarrel from the Slavic hut and the call to go to the barricades?
      1. ytqnhfk
        ytqnhfk 8 September 2011 17: 37 New
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        I do not understand where the call to climb the barricades?
        1. zczczc
          zczczc 9 September 2011 01: 18 New
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          ytqnhfk, here is the call of the Patriot:
          zczczc

          My friend. It’s not necessary to vote here, but to go to the streets. And strive, like all civilized countries.

          WAKE UP RUSSIAN BEAR!
          1. ytqnhfk
            ytqnhfk 9 September 2011 09: 36 New
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            Sorry, I didn’t figure it out!
          2. zczczc
            zczczc 9 September 2011 15: 50 New
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            That's interesting people are evaluating the message. How can I put a minus or plus if there is NO OPINION in the message, but there is simply a fact ...

            Some kind of nonsense :)
    2. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 8 September 2011 17: 42 New
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      Your calls are extreme, but as the practice of the 90s shows, we have already ruined one country, now we will ruin another one when we finish? Maybe not everything is so bad when compared with the same 90s?
  20. Evil Tatar
    Evil Tatar 13 September 2011 13: 22 New
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    Does everyone care about the price of gas for Ukraine?
    But I thought that for a Russian citizen (consumer) liquefied gas costs $ 3500 per 1000 m250. How so? How much% of the cost goes to production that liquefies gas worth $ XNUMX for Ukraine?
    Who knows? Tell me ...