Russia is disappearing from the face of the planet. About the demographic problem

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Russia is disappearing from the face of the planet. About the demographic problem

Russian experts, correcting the official strategy of socio-economic development of the state before 2020, beat the alarm: the Russian Federation is already on the verge of a catastrophe in the field of demography. The decrease in the birth rate, which has already begun to be fixed, will directly affect the future state of the Russian labor market and, consequently, the state’s economic growth rates.

The fall in the birth rate is currently directly related to the consequences of the catastrophic decline in the birth rate that occurred after the collapse of the USSR. The demographic hole of 1990's is much larger than the even demographic decline caused by the consequences of the Great Patriotic War. Thus, the number of Russian citizens who were not born as a result of the decline in the birth rate in “dashing 90” is several times higher than the number of our compatriots who were not born as a result of that terrible war. This is another proof of the fact that the consequences of “perestroika” and “reforms” have become worse for Russia in their consequences than the war with Hitler's hordes. According to demographic experts, if a system of measures aimed at boosting the birth rate of indigenous peoples is not urgently introduced in the Russian Federation (a particularly negative situation is noted in the demography of the Russian people), the Russian state may cease to exist already in the 21 century!

The main causes of declining fertility

At the round table “Why are Russians getting smaller?” (Held in RIA News), the head of the commission of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation on social issues and demographic policy, Elena Nikolaeva, reported that one of the main reasons that hinder the increase in the birth rate is “total poverty”. But according to other experts, this is not the main reason. Thus, in many societies in Asia and Africa, poverty is commonplace over many generations, but the birth rate is very high.

According to the director of the Institute for Demographic Studies, Igor Beloborodov, one of the main reasons for the decline in the birth rate is secularization, a departure from moral and spiritual values. From the point of view of materialistic rationalism, the child is not profitable. It interferes with a career, lowers the level of expenses aimed at an adult - you have to spend less on clothes, food, give up entertainment, tours, etc. In societies focused on spiritual values, the birth rate is higher - these are Islamic traditions, traditions of Indian civilization, etc. Russia, in this respect, has largely adopted the Western path - of inanimate individualism, egocentrism, hedonism.

One of the most important reasons for reducing fertility is urbanization. This process began back in the USSR, i.e. it cannot be assumed that only the authorities of the Russian Federation are guilty of it. The traditional family way (mainly peasant), economic relations broke down, the spiritual and material culture changed. Women began to “make” a career that also hit the family. Big cities are just real “killer families”, a traditional family with several children. It is more profitable to create a “family” in them consisting of a man and a woman without children, or with one child. The collapse of the USSR only worsened the situation in this area - thousands of villages, villages, small settlements, were killed by the “mono-town” blow. People began to move to cities and large cities, vast rural areas became deserted.

Another huge problem is the alcoholization of the population. According to Vladimir Zhdanov, chairman of the Union of Struggle for National Sobriety (SBT), the dependence of the level of alcohol consumption on the birth rate can be noted; the more alcohol is consumed per capita, the higher the mortality rate and the lower the birth rate. Thus, the mass alcoholization of the population, begun back in the USSR, acquired the character of a catastrophe in the Russian Federation. Not only adults, but also schoolchildren are drinking, women’s drunkenness has become terrible forms. And women are mothers, or future mothers, the overall increase in women’s consumption of alcohol (and even tobacco smoking) leads to a decrease in the birth rate, an increase in the number of miscarriages, abortions, and patients born from children. The nation is degrading, losing vitality.

Another reason for the decline in the number of the indigenous population of Russia is overmortality. With the potential in the Russian Federation, population growth should be annually 400 thousand people, - said Oleg Kulikov, a member of the State Duma Committee on Health Protection. From 1992 to 2011 years, almost the entire social sphere was “derailed” in Russia. A huge number of Russian citizens are dying of cardiovascular disorders, food, alcohol, drug poisoning. Significantly increased the number of cases of various kinds of infectious diseases. Due to the decline in the birth rate in 1990, the number of women of childbearing age has sharply decreased. In the same group of problems - the supermortality of men.

The population of Russia, despite the mistakes in the field of demography that they made in the USSR, grew to 1992, then it reached its historical maximum - 148,6 million people. Since then, the Russian population continued to decline, it did not decrease only in 1994 and 2009, but only because its decline was blocked by the arrival of migrants. Since 1992, Russia has 12,9 million people, although a number of experts cite other figures, higher (to 15 million people). All these reasons affect, and will continue to affect the population of Russia. Such a rate of decline in population, in such a short time did not know any country, except that except Ukraine. There, the situation is about the same.

The negative demographic processes in the republics of the North Caucasus and in the regions densely populated by Muslims are least noticeable. The Russian people and the small indigenous peoples of Russia continue to die out. Given the fact that the Russian people are the core, the foundation of our entire civilization, the population growth in the North Caucasus, the preservation of the number of Muslims in Russia and the massive importation of migrants from Central Asia will not solve the problem. And even on the contrary, it can lead to the fact that the decline of the Russian people will be marked by bloody interethnic and interethnic battles (the “Kosovo scenario”).

The collapse of the USSR struck citizens with a terrible psychological blow; people stopped believing in the future. Why give birth if the country has no future? As ordinary people say: “Why produce poverty?”. Only these factors put a big and fat question mark on the existence of the majority of the peoples of the Russian Federation as a national and cultural phenomenon. Under the threat of existence itself is a thousand-year Russian civilization. According to the United Nations, the population of the Russian Federation will be reduced from the current 2050 million to 142 million by the year 100, and by the year 2080 only 38 million people can remain in the state. It is clear that with such demographic indicators, one can forget about territorial integrity, sovereignty, in general about Russia and the Russian people. For example, by 2050, India’s population will grow from 1,1 billion to 1,6 billion, China from 1,3 billion to 1,4 billion, Islamic Republic of Pakistan from 158 million to 305 million, Saudi Arabia from 25 million to 50 million people.

Russia needs a program of "demographic revolution"

According to the chairman of the supervisory board of the Institute of Demography, Migration and Regional Development Yuri Krupnov, Russia needs a “demographic revolution.” The main points of the “demographic revolution, emerge from the suggestions of various experts, researchers of this problem.

- In such a catastrophic situation, it is not enough to restore the birth rate on the 2,5 - 2, 6 level of a child per family, which allows you to save the population and even slightly increase its number. To get out of the demographic pit, the coefficients must be different - at least 3 - 3,2 children per family, and better than 4 children. Fortunately, Russia has no problems with land, water resources, there are enormous opportunities for the development of agriculture and rural settlements.

- On TV, in all media moral, medical censorship is necessary. It is necessary to stop the wave of propaganda of violence, debauchery, hedonism, careerism, the introduction of irresponsible, infantile behavior into the psychology of boys. Introduce the state norm, which prohibits portraying the family in a negative context. Such images flooded TV, Russian show business. It is necessary to establish clear rules of the game: a normal family should be portrayed as two parents, of course, heterosexuals (prohibiting pederasty at the legislative level) with at least 2-3 children. Through TV programs, cartoons, the Internet and other means of communication, this kind of family should be introduced.

- It is necessary to create a program of material and moral encouragement of large families. Such families should be authoritative in society, supported by the state, the media, the entire morality of society. Childless, single-child families must pay tax to the state.

- A program is needed to support young healthy families (testing for drug addiction and alcoholism), an affordable housing program for them. Medvedev's proposal to provide the family, after the birth of the third child, the land for construction is ridiculous. It's just a mockery - give birth to three children, and then build the house itself. What percentage of families is capable of this, with “total poverty” and life on the verge of poverty ?!

In this regard, the Russian and other indigenous endangered peoples of the Russian Federation should offer a program that Khloponin voiced for the North Caucasus, that is, to make housing too cheap, or to introduce a preferential mortgage.

- The real program of sobering the nation, the elimination of the drug mafia, tobacco and alcoholic mafia.

- A holistic program for the restoration of spiritual and moral values ​​of Russian culture.

- Restoration of education standards at the level of the USSR, a great deal of work must be done in the field of public health, physical culture of people - and the main priority is given to preventive work. That is, to introduce the standards of a healthy lifestyle (without alcohol, tobacco, nightclubs and discos), mass physical culture, hardening methods, Russian combat systems into people's minds.

In fact, we need a holistic resuscitation program for the whole of Russia; the problem cannot be solved by individual measures.

What is already being done

In 2001, Vladimir Putin in his message to the Federal Assembly said very important words that we are experiencing a demographic crisis, the situation is critical and extraordinary measures are needed. By this, the authorities recognized the problem. The most important of the real cases was the so-called. "maternal capital".

Unfortunately, after this the problem was “bureaucratic”, buried in reports, paper victories. So, many officials gladly reported on the birth rate growth in the Russian Federation in previous 3 years, but for some reason they were silent about the fact that in these first half a year there was a recession again, that is, in the Russian state, less than 87 children were born. And the previous reports that our demographic situation began to improve in a good way were half-truths. It was a surge in fertility, the causes of which came from 1987-1989's, when the USSR had a high birth rate, caused by the situation of anti-alcohol reform (a drop in the overall level of alcohol consumption, automatically causes an increase in fertility) and expectations of adjustment. Then a significant part of the population rosyly believed that the restructuring of the Union would end not with a catastrophe with the collapse of the USSR, but with something good. And then the maternity hospitals in the Soviet Union were literally overflowing. And then the children who were born in large numbers (the last healthy generations of the USSR — not disfigured by “dashing 90-mi”) in the last 3 of the year gave the Russian Federation a correspondingly higher number of children being born, simply because they began to enter the child-bearing age. But this factor today has almost won back its positive role, and through 2-4, the year will end completely, as children born at the time of the break of the Soviet system, the children of 90’s, are now entering the childbearing age. Families, even those who have given birth to one, maximum two children, are no longer going to have children - they talk about material difficulties, poor housing conditions, domestic insecurity, insufficient support for families from the government, the problem with kindergartens, the desire to live for themselves, etc.

The desire of the authorities to solve this problem at the expense of migrants leads only to new problems. The number of interethnic clashes is growing, and the conflict does not occur between the peoples that have long inhabited the area, but between the "newcomers" and the indigenous population. The criminogenic background rises, part of the “newcomers” goes to niches where high profitability is drugs, unlicensed alcohol, tobacco, various speculative operations, etc. There is a further erosion of Russian culture that has already become Russian-speaking. What the result of such a policy can be seen in the examples of Kosovo, unrest in Paris and London. We get another split line of Russia: "aliens" and "indigenous".
V. Zhdanov. Alcoholic terror against Russia.

Speech by Vladimir Georgievich Zhdanov in St. Petersburg 7 October 2010 of the year. Why solder Russia and who is behind this. The influence of alcohol on the gene pool of the nation. The planned destruction of the Russian and other peoples of Russia.



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  1. +14
    5 September 2011 07: 59
    An interesting, I would say, custom-made position with these experts who prove that it is not poverty; it is in it! We found with whom to compare the Russian people, with Africans and Asians. . The requests are different, so give a banana or dung dry he’s glad to look at their children, it would be better not to give birth to them. Our parents want to see their children full, well-dressed and well-groomed. And most, knowing that they can’t do everything They don’t want to give this to poverty. Of course, it is possible to translate the question into centuries-old traditions, spiritual values, etc., but only the fool and the mishandled Cossack do not see the main reason.
    1. LESHA pancake
      0
      5 September 2011 08: 29
      yes here the author is stirring something
    2. raf
      +12
      5 September 2011 10: 13
      I think the author is still right, it’s not about poverty! Or rather, not only in poverty. God be with them, with Africans and Asians! Let's look back at our recent past. At the beginning of the twentieth century, Russian families had 7-8 children, regardless of whether they were poor or rich! And pay attention to the current rich, do they have many children? No poverty, this is not the main reason!
    3. His
      0
      5 September 2011 18: 12
      Russia is an urbanized country. If we lived in agriculture, everything would be full of children (free working hands)
    4. Ivan35
      +3
      5 September 2011 18: 51
      Dear almost demobilization! You completely overlap with the books of Sergei Kara Murza (I do not know whether you have read it or not - read if not - you will agree with him) We exchange opinions on the books with friends here on the site - Kara Murza "burns"

      The main reason for all the troubles of the people - including the decline in the birth rate, of course, is in POVERTY - for which there are 2 reasons - the first - we just ruined the country in the collapse - the money "disappeared". The second - the money that comes - now goes to the states as a "tribute" - and to the oligarchs' yacht villas. Putin improved the situation a little - by channeling part of the flows to nationalized state-owned companies and paid off the external debt and even created a "stash", but - as I repeat, he stopped at half the battle.

      The second reason (but not the main one) - which is mentioned below by Banshee - is also correct (you miss it) - with the collapse of the union, we lost not only money but also ideology and morality - there came a limitlessness - the death of education

      Not only the Russians suffered - I live in Kazakhstan and the Kazakhs have the same trouble - a decrease in the birth rate and a shortage of population (with their relative oil well-being) - and this is with the threat of "demographic pressure" from Central Asia

      The situation will be corrected only by the return of financial flows to their place - with the simultaneous revival of Russian family and traditional values
      1. Sanzyro
        0
        6 September 2011 00: 45
        About paying off the external debt, you are in a rage ... The debts have grown even more, but now it is very unacceptable to talk about it! And what we are given for relative "well-being" is juggling with numbers and concepts that are not very clear for ordinary people ... fellow
  2. Igor Vladimirovich
    +8
    5 September 2011 08: 51
    "... In societies oriented towards spiritual values, the birth rate is higher - these are Islamic traditions, the traditions of Indian civilization, etc. Russia, in this respect, has largely adopted the Western path - of spiritual individualism, egocentrism, hedonism. ..."

    Practice has shown that, alas, a man in his mass cannot live without faith, and therefore without religion. So, religion cannot be separated from the state.
    Orthodoxy, Confucianism - the essence in the norms of behavior oriented towards the order and prosperity of all in the state. If it is possible to return to the origins of spirituality, then I am afraid not by democratic measures.
  3. Styx
    +5
    5 September 2011 09: 36
    "The demographic hole of the 1990s is much larger than even the demographic decline caused by the aftermath of the Great Patriotic War. For example, the number of Russian citizens who were not born as a result of the decline in the birth rate in the" dashing 90s "is several times higher than the number of our compatriots who were not born as a result that terrible war. "

    Of course, but one should not compare the birth rate in the USSR during the Second World War with the birth rate in the "dashing 90s".
    Firstly, the duration of these periods is different, and secondly, urbanization was not the same as in the 90s. At that time, the bulk of the population was engaged in agriculture and had the opportunity to somehow feed themselves (remembering the lack of money, cheap sausage, and as soon as the vegetables from the garden allowed us to eat more or less normally). There was no contraception as such. The mentality of the people is also not comparable with the mentality of the people of the 90s.
  4. +5
    5 September 2011 09: 39
    According to the calculations of the Russian Academy of Sciences, for the normal development of Russia, a population of 500 million is needed.
    Indeed, the offer of our DAMA to provide the family with free land for construction after the birth of the third child is just a mockery - give birth to three children, and then build the house itself, at a high loan interest. What percentage of families is capable of this, with “total poverty” and living on the verge of poverty?
    By the way, DAMA went to the presidential election, with a program of affordable loans for housing for young families under low loans. Did not comply!
    Our LADY would also promise free sunlight and air, at the birth of the fourth child. We have so much land that we can accommodate the population of China and India, and there will be more space left.
    I believe that our tandem urgently needs to adopt a law according to which; at the birth of a second child, in addition to the maternal capital, the loan interest was halved, at the birth of a third child, 75% of the loan was paid off and the interest on the loan was withdrawn completely, and at the birth of a fourth child, the loan for housing construction was completely canceled 100% without interest, with recalculation of previously paid amounts . At the same time, a deferral of payment of at least 6 years is presented, without interest on the loan.
    1. -2
      6 September 2011 01: 07
      Dreaming is not harmful. To all of us. And DAME - where can she do something for the people, moron ...
  5. dimarm74
    +1
    5 September 2011 10: 00
    "... According to the director of the Institute for Demographic Research Igor Beloborodov, one of the main reasons for the decline in the birth rate is secularization, a departure from moral, spiritual values. From the point of view of materialistic rationalism, a child is not profitable. It interferes with a career, lowers the level of spending directed at an adult a person - you will have to spend less on clothes, food, give up entertainment, travel, etc. In societies oriented towards spiritual values, the birth rate is higher - these are Islamic traditions, the traditions of Indian civilization, etc. Russia, in this respect, has largely adopted the Western path - soulless individualism, egocentrism, hedonism .... "
    The man is right at 100% .....
    Only then the question arises ... how to fix the situation? This is where no one is ready to give up these "Western values".
    Strengthening the role of the Russian Orthodox Church will not help either .....
  6. +4
    5 September 2011 10: 08
    I think some verbosity will be forgiven me.

    The author is right, it's just a matter of internal accents.

    Fertility is falling, and the reasons are not only in welfare. Namely, the moral values ​​that drove young people over the past 15 years. Communicating with my youth formation, I made an interesting conclusion about what is happening in their heads. I’ll try to clearly state.

    To create a family and have a (not a very good word, but as it is) a child, a person (couple) must "take place". What does this include:

    1. Living separately from parents, i.e. "yourself". Housing is either their own (that's how anyone else), or rented.
    2. Financial independence, i.e. work + career.
    3. An indispensable condition is personal transport.

    Now for each item more.
    1. I am surprised and indignant. The image of a "successful" young family does not disappear from the screens and even in the press. Well, what the fuck is independence, if the level of training is such that for any reason you still need to contact the more experienced older generation. But, the advertisement was done successfully, and young people at the age of 18-25 simply do not think of themselves other than living separately. It may not be a bad idea, but let's move on.
    3. I’ll rearrange a few. A car is like a cell phone. Just have to be. no way without it. Perhaps, but I will not comment further.
    2. The most interesting. Over the course of 2 years, I have observed several such pairs. They live. Lead a joint farm. But they don’t even stutter about children, because:
    1) Having graduated from universities, they found that no one waits for them as specialists without work experience. I had to get settled where they took. For example, two graduates of the Russian Academy of Sciences with a degree in Finance and Credit work as administrators for an insurance company. It's easier for guys, but out of my graduates who were not taken away this year, only one got a job in the specialty of the diploma.
    2) The income of such a cell of the company is 30-35 tr This is in Voronezh. Rental housing + communal + associated costs (communication, etc.) is about 10 TR Remains, roughly speaking, 20. But you still have to eat / drink, dress / shoe, and have a rest ... Temptations of the sea. That's all. Amen. Yes, parents help someone more, someone less. Nevertheless, my children are not even thinking about any children. No money.
  7. Old Cat Basilio
    +8
    5 September 2011 10: 12
    "Childless, single-child families must pay tax to the state."
    Dear author, have a better snack in the evening! What, the dear state does not have much tax on the laity ?! Or do you live on the moon?
  8. +1
    5 September 2011 10: 36
    Quote: stas
    our tandem urgently needs to pass a law according to which; at the birth of a second child, in addition to maternal capital, the interest on a loan decreased by half


    What kind of second speech are we talking about if the FIRST is not and is not planned?

    A smart person, my classmate, obstetrician-gynecologist, who herself recently gave birth to the first (in 39 years, if that), calculated that in order to give birth normally, an amount of 150-200 TR is required.

    This includes everything, expenses for the purchase of household items, expenses for treatment, medications, payment for nurses and masseuses at home, and so on. I can do it in more detail, but I think it’s not worth it.

    Birth certificates are utter bullshit, uninteresting to anyone except the women in labor. All the money for these certificates goes to the needs of the hospital ... no comment. Now the doctor spends up to 1 hours a day to fill out forms for insurance companies with these certificates. Instead of dealing directly with patients. All infuriates, but nowhere to go, because with this money you can at least buy something, and not hang everything on a woman in labor.

    So where to get these 150 TR, if the average income is 30-35?
  9. +7
    5 September 2011 10: 38
    In all disputes about demography, for some reason, the emphasis is only on fertility. It may be rather low, but looking at the abundance of baby carriages in the streets, you somehow begin to doubt it. Well, okay, with the birth rate, specialists here know better. But little is said about high mortality and low life expectancy, although this probably affects the demographic situation no less. What is the use of having children if men (on average) do not live to be 60 years old. That is, there is no one to teach the young, and you can still work yourself, it would be health (here's another reason). One is connected with the other.
    1. Old Cat Basilio
      0
      5 September 2011 14: 04
      Bravo, Rashid! Sorry, I do not plus or minus anyone from the principle.
  10. dimarm74
    -1
    5 September 2011 10: 40
    What kind of correct measures should be taken to increase the birth rate ... Maybe someone knows the recipe? Which will give a positive result
    1. Sanzyro
      0
      7 September 2011 20: 31
      Wages to parents worthy ... At least it ... Although ...
    2. raf
      -1
      11 September 2011 22: 00
      And what are the cons? Isn’t the man right? I would give a recipe, but I don’t have it !!
  11. -1
    5 September 2011 10: 58
    I would suggest such a thing: a system of loans for birth and upbringing.

    You come to the social bank, conclude a loan agreement. No money yet. The agreement is activated at the time of presentation of a certificate from the gynecologist. And for 9 months, you can use this money at any time. Because money is often needed BEFORE birth. Conservation and other pleasures. A concessional loan, for example, for 5 years. If you suddenly "change your mind" or what happened ... There are options. Pay as usual, 30-36 percent per annum. When a child is born, make the rate no more than 10%. Or not at all.

    There may be opponents who object, such as
    1) "Pros..ut, they will drink, they will spend on themselves" ... No question. The bank will get new clients who will bring him profit.
    2) "Options for using it for other purposes". so this is not a handout in the form of an MK for the second, but a loan for which you will have to answer. And to impose control on the bodies of social protection. once a month to take your ass off the chair and go through the examination of the "wards" ... will not fall apart. After all, this is their job.

    Here is such a thought.
    1. +3
      5 September 2011 11: 25
      Half measures, this problem can not be solved. Decisive and comprehensive government action is needed, otherwise it will be too late to do this in 40-50 years. Do you really think that Russia, with its minerals and natural resources, will be left alone and will not want to make money. It’s not known when the world crisis will decline.
      The main thing is that it would not be too late!
      1. -1
        5 September 2011 13: 59
        What measures?
        What is "decisive and comprehensive government action"?
        1. -4
          5 September 2011 14: 52
          By decisive measures, I suppose Medvedev’s actions are similar to his actions with the law “On Police”. Three months for the development of the law (although it already has one), three months for the national discussion and in 6 months the law should come into force.
          Under comprehensive measures, I presume the actions of the president and the government to resolve all issues that directly or indirectly can positively affect the stable increase in the birth rate of children, this includes soft loans, spirituality, the social status of large families, increased solvency of the population, lower prices, culture, free education in including higher, etc.
          The RAS has thorough and substantiated developments on this issue, taking into account the specifics of Russia and international experience. Solzhenitsyn also wrote very sensibly about this.
          1. -2
            6 September 2011 01: 11
            Well, wait ... You are an idealist, a dreamer.
  12. 0
    5 September 2011 13: 24
    There really is only one way out: return to the religious foundations of the family. In America, this is how it works. At first, the religious birth rate will rise, and there the secular ones will catch up.
    No other incentive will help. Look at Germany: "they are crazy about fat", but they are still dying out.
  13. m1979
    +4
    5 September 2011 14: 28
    Now there are few fools, as the state thinks, in order to express poverty on some sort of handout.

    land, and so the penny is compared to what it takes to build a small house for lam (on some bricks only how much is needed, we cost from 12 to 20 r apiece) -interesting where to get if there are 3 hungry mouths?

    And the mortgage current for the rich — in my big village, offer me 1.5 lama and pay 15 years for 20 thousand — with a net salary of no more than 15 — not talking about communal services is unrealistic — although the salary is considered normal but it’s only enough for food — bread and water)) Many people even have less sn, I wonder why they go there))

    Hunting and a second child, but then what kind of shisha to put on and send to school, I gave all my salary to send to school what time is it even and there are no whitefish))

    And so I think almost the middle class, the car is a two-bedroom apartment, but for the sake of the second, then for sure there will not be enough benz for the communal

    So sometimes you think why you were eating, I mean it’s enough for one to drink)

    to live like a scourge without money is bad, I know large families, but it was during the USSR, now you look at such families, it’s terrible to become like Putin’s mother-grandmother for nothing))
  14. Owl
    +5
    5 September 2011 15: 00
    It is possible for an ordinary citizen to feed, clothe, collect one child (maximum two) in an educational institution. It is simply impossible for a person who honestly works in a government organization to buy housing in a large city: Moscow, Petersburg and the like. As long as the "rulers" have such an attitude towards the People, nothing will change.
  15. +1
    5 September 2011 15: 02
    Having children is simply not "popular" among young people, but parties, clubs, recreation, career, etc. are another matter. and children are postponed for later, with the exception of an unplanned pregnancy, and even if they were born, then the parents face social insecurity and lack of adequate support from the state, as a result of all the problems they have experienced, they do not even want to think about the second or third child. Add the difficulties with the device in a kindergarten, school and much more where money is needed and not small.
  16. zczczc
    0
    5 September 2011 15: 22
    Archipoint! We need a program for the demographic revolution of the endangered peoples of Russia. I personally see the following program:

    1. Classification of peoples into endangered and others. Everything below to do with respect to the endangered;
    2. It is necessary to develop an evaluation complex under the conditional name "Ideal family". Include the following criteria in the assessment:
    - 4 or more children under 16 years of age, including uterine;
    - parents from peoples who are close in spirit and culture. For example, the pairs "Evenk-Slav" or "Slav-Uzbek" fall out, and the pair "Slav-Finougr" falls under the closeness of spirit;
    - the presence of at least one of the four grandparents, capable of developing and health to instill a national culture at the time of the birth of the third child;
    - the absence of confirmed facts of alcoholism, drug addiction, asocial behavior in the mother;
    - a satisfactory psychological test of both parents, including verification and loyalty to their native land, the values ​​of the people (s) to which the parents belong (not to the state, it still, unfortunately, does not deserve it);
    - if it is impossible to test one of the parents (obvious refusal, death), his children in the composition of the children of the whole family are taken into account, but are subject to separate testing for congenital diseases and psychological deviations;
    3. An ideal family can give an apartment for free, a mother for the maintenance of the state, because she has no time to work. If she has when to work full time, take the children away;
    4. The husband of such a woman has the highest protection in any enterprise - in the last turn he quits, first of all he is awarded. Let them pull themselves up;
    5. Children and mother with the loss of a breadwinner go to the full state. boarding house until the appearance of a new breadwinner;
    6. Free medicine of a high, clear and detailed level;
    7. Free education, but on a general basis, as here the mind of the child must prevail, and not his status;
    8. Surcharge when buying a car with increased capacity - minivan, large jeep, passenger minibus. Think over protection against abuse;
    9. Awarded the title of "Honorary Mother of Russia" for mothers whose children have achieved high scientific or other titles.

    Well, it’s necessary to carry out general events:
    1. The execution of all who stole more than 5 million .;
    2. Purges of officials with two passports with them or their children, or if their children study / live abroad;
    3. Replacing the entire leadership of the TV with patriots.

    In fact, it’s not so difficult - you just have to sit down and do it. And for this, you need power that will do this. That is why it is necessary to vote for the Communist Party, who from this list is ready to do this?

    "Just cause"
    "Communist Party of the Russian Federation"
    "Liberal Democratic Party of Russia"
    "Patriots of Russia"
    “Russian United Democratic Party Yabloko”
    "Fair Russia"
    "United Russia"
    1. -2
      5 September 2011 17: 12
      - parents from peoples who are close in spirit and culture. For example, the pairs "Evenk-Slav" or "Slav-Uzbek" fall out, and the pair "Slav-Finougr" falls under the closeness of spirit;
      - the presence of at least one of the four grandparents, capable of developing and health to instill a national culture at the time of the birth of the third child;
      - the absence of confirmed facts of alcoholism, drug addiction, asocial behavior in the mother;
      - a satisfactory psychological test of both parents, including verification and loyalty to their native land, the values ​​of the people (s) to which the parents belong (not to the state, it still, unfortunately, does not deserve it);
      - if it is impossible to test one of the parents (obvious refusal, death), his children in the composition of the children of the whole family are taken into account, but are subject to separate testing for congenital diseases and psychological deviations;

      The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The Nazis introduced similar criteria into the Nuremberg laws. You do not learn from them takes care of the health of the nation?
      If both parents are ethnic Tajik citizens of Russia? Will you stimulate their birth rate?
      1. Old Cat Basilio
        0
        5 September 2011 19: 21
        What to do, dear professor - "there are few real violent, so there are no leaders!" However, let's leave Vysotsky alone. I propose a radical solution to the problem. In regions with a low birth rate, launch the Kremlin regiment on tour (fortunately, only proven Slavic brothers serve there), and the soldiers should be settled in apartments in families where there are daughters for extradition. Marriage is optional. You will see, the birth rate will jump at times! :)))
      2. zczczc
        -1
        5 September 2011 22: 50
        No, not with them. You need to be self-sufficient.

        This all applies to the endangered peoples of the Russian Federation, which have historical roots on the territory of the Russian Federation.
      3. 0
        9 September 2011 09: 45
        For the first time I agree with the professor. What is the downside? These are really the criteria of the fascists.
        1. Ivan35
          +2
          11 September 2011 17: 49
          I will support malt! The criteria are something not very. Repelled from the Communists by all the peoples of Russia if the Communist Party begins to suffer such. But as far as I know, the Communist Party does not suffer from this - and it’s harmful for the Communist Party if in this way to agitate for it
    2. Gosta
      +1
      5 September 2011 18: 40
      This is all right of course, but you re-read your comment and think how many years it takes to at least make * free medicine of a high, clearly and detailed level *))) everyone will already die by this time ...
    3. +3
      9 September 2011 09: 44
      Do you know that the indigenous peoples of the north have an extremely high mortality rate that absorbs fertility? What will we do with them? They are not Russian peoples?
      You better not campaign for the Communist Party. And then someone will read and decide that the Communist Party is indeed fascists. Communists are not inherent manifestations of Nazism.
      These nationalist sayings are poison sweetened by other points. Here, frank Nazism and chauvinism in its various manifestations. And a lot of things that I personally categorically do not accept ...

      We started so well ...
      1. Marat
        +2
        10 September 2011 21: 37
        Indeed - for the first time and I agree with the Professor. And malodova very well defined - "poison sweetened by other points"

        Nazism is disastrous for the revival of the "empire"
        One of the reasons why I sympathize with the Communist Party is that party - which can really hold together the peoples of Russia and truly reunite the peoples of the divided republics (let’s start with at least three)
        And the above program of "racial segregation" will cause a wave of indignation among all the peoples of multinational Russia - in fact, it will contribute to the collapse of Russia and the new Union that has not yet really formed.
        Thank God the communists do not suffer from such "sores" - otherwise it will be difficult for them to gain votes. I agree that in this way it is better not to campaign for the Communist Party

        And it is necessary to "save" the Russian people - this is clear to everyone - and to save them first of all by redistributing flows from the pockets of the oligarchs for the revival of the people and the state, from the "tribute" we pay to the West, from palaces on the Mediterranean and luxury yachts.
  17. -4
    5 September 2011 15: 39
    Quote: zczczc
    Well, it’s necessary to carry out general events:
    1. The execution of all who stole more than 5 million .;
    2. Purges of officials with two passports with them or their children, or if their children study / live abroad;
    3. Replacing the entire leadership of the TV with patriots.


    Well, by golly, they ruined everything ... And how did it start ...
    1. zczczc
      0
      5 September 2011 15: 54
      Well, about this, the Communist Party does not have to blow all the hearsay. But you have to do it.
    2. 0
      5 September 2011 16: 11
      I believe that the shooting was meant by those who stole from this program.
      1. zczczc
        +1
        5 September 2011 16: 25
        No, everyone who stole 5 million rubles or more :)
        Is something embarrassing?

        This is the unwritten price of life for lawyers - minimum wage * 12 * 69 = 4611 * 12 * 69 = 3 rubles, plus various payments - about 817 million. Actually they pay 908 million, and that is rare. But it’s real, otherwise it’s a theory.
        1. 0
          5 September 2011 19: 20
          I fully support it, and since the death penalty has been abolished in the Russian Federation, it can be applied for life.
          1. zczczc
            +2
            5 September 2011 22: 46
            No, it is necessary to return the execution, but with a delay of 3 years and the most complete and free opportunities to prove your innocence.
      2. zczczc
        +2
        5 September 2011 16: 32
        I didn’t put cons here, if that.
  18. -1
    5 September 2011 15: 49
    Quote: stas
    By decisive measures, I suppose Medvedev’s actions are similar to his actions with the law “On Police”. Three months for the development of the law (although it already has one), three months for the national discussion and in 6 months the law should come into force.


    Yes, they found something to cite as an example. Okay, God bless her, with the police, there he uprooted all the bribe takers there (he was laughing like a horse over this nonsense) and that was bread. I have a question:
    1. WHY does Medvedev have all this? He has re-election after a year, in which he flies like plywood over Paris.
    2. WHO will implement this?
    3. And how do you know that he has this miracle law? Did he tell you? So it takes three months to develop, or is it there? You decide ...

    Quote: stas
    Under comprehensive measures, I presume the actions of the president and the government to resolve all issues that directly or indirectly can positively affect the stable increase in the birth rate of children, this includes soft loans, spirituality, the social status of large families, increased solvency of the population, lower prices, culture, free education in including higher, etc.


    General verbiage without specifics. As I expected, however ...
    Trololo, copyrighted from the program edra.

    Quote: stas
    The RAS has thorough and substantiated developments on this issue, taking into account the specifics of Russia and international experience. Solzhenitsyn also wrote very sensibly about this.


    SOLZHEnitsyn? Is it sensible? For Russia? For the American s / n?
    WHERE ARE YOU FROM? Michigan? Washington? New York?
    Hmm ... Belgorod ...
    What state is this?
  19. ZEBRASH
    +1
    5 September 2011 16: 04
    There are two children in our family - me and my brother. We live in a four-room apartment, parents' incomes are above average, that is, we live well. And then two people (our parents) "spawned" two people (me and my brother). That is, there is no damage to demography. (And to increase the population, you need to give birth to three children and reduce mortality in any way). But how can the other average family living in a two- or three-room apartment with average incomes have more than two? They would at least give birth to one. In Russia, peasant families have always had many children - their sons worked in the fields, did hard work with their fathers, and helped their daughters around the house. They brought benefits. That is, at first, the parents looked after them, then they helped the parents - everyone is fine. And now the children were raised, and they flew out of the nest. There are no special benefits for parents. Therefore, they give birth to one - it is absolutely impossible without children, and more than one is not always profitable.
    1. zczczc
      0
      5 September 2011 16: 30
      There is little damage to demography - you need an average of 2.11 children per couple of parents.
      For the rest - I agree 100%.
  20. -3
    5 September 2011 16: 26
    Stasik, my sun is Medvedev!
    Are these disadvantages your arguments?

    You’re my optimistic Vedrosik, but I don’t give a damn about these ratings! I’m not here for this, I’m communicating with smart people here ...

    I personally put a minus in your head, you are a troll tricked!
    It is thanks to such zombodurns that the current ones sit in power and milk everything in their pocket that they can reach. And you
    Quote: stas
    I presume the actions of the president and the government to resolve all issues that directly or indirectly can positively affect the stable increase in the birth rate of children, such as soft loans, spirituality, the social status of large families, an increase in the solvency of the population, lower prices, culture, free education, including higher, etc.
    it remains to obediently chew this chewing gum, consisting of worthless and bearing nothing words, because MORE YOU ARE NOT ABLE FOR ANYTHING!
    It’s been scored in your head with your fist, and now you’ll rush about it all your life, like with a written bag. BECAUSE MORE FROM YOU AND IS NOT REQUIRED.

    And such artiodactyls stand behind a bucket.

    Well, there will be something to argue? Reasoned? Or in the old fashion, minus signs?
    Oh, you shelupon ... small things are bargaining.
    1. 0
      5 September 2011 18: 37
      Banshee

      Not a word can be changed in the Book of Fates.
      Those who suffer forever cannot be excused.
      You can drink your bile until the end of life.
      Omar Khayyam

      Now it’s clear who and for what constantly minus solodova.
      1. -2
        5 September 2011 22: 39
        Do not judge by yourself.
      2. zczczc
        0
        5 September 2011 22: 53
        And why would she?
    2. Sanzyro
      0
      6 September 2011 01: 00
      WONDERFUL ...
  21. Engineer
    0
    5 September 2011 17: 48
    Yes, what are you upset about, they said they would annually import 300 thousand migrants with families into the country so that the export of capital was minimal. Half assimilates and everything will be in chocolate)))

    In the information society (TV, computer, theater) there is something to do in the evening, not for children.
    And if there is no light, there is no club, no passport, no money for vodka and drugs, and you can’t leave for the city - this is the time to deal with children.

    Everything described above, our government is trying to fulfill.
  22. dimarm74
    -2
    5 September 2011 18: 32
    I propose the establishment of an EXTRAORDINARY Fertility Commission! Naturally, the situation requires EMERGENCY measures.
    These are:
    1) All males must be obligated to fertilize at least such a number of females per month (quarter, year); Norms must be verified and justified as part of an experimental experiment;
    2) Carefully monitor the implementation of planned tasks. Those who evade, lazy, and others fool away from such a good deed are mercilessly punished! Criminalize!
    3) Adopt the Federal Law "On two or more wives"

    Women, of course, may be outraged by such EXTRAORDINARY measures, but we must explain to them ... it is unreasonable that the situation is CRITICAL and requires decisive action on our part. To reassure that all this is temporary, until the situation normalizes, etc.
    1. -1
      9 September 2011 15: 50
      wink ? Thank you, pleased)))).
      And so, in general, a case from life: When two wives were allowed (there was a moment) in Kazakhstan, a friend, a Russian, once a Siberian, brought a second wife from Russia.
      The first did not like it, but then both became friends (in general, an unlikely thing for Russian women in this case). Subsequently, both fragile women began to bring up a common bull - a husband with a shovel in the face. He didn’t like someone, he soon took his second wife to his former place. And he healed as before.

      And it's funny at all, it looks like Trofim's song "Genofond". Keep the plus.
  23. m1979
    0
    5 September 2011 19: 21
    dimarm74,
    FULL)))
    Firstly, thanks to our wonderful life, I know almost half of the people who cannot have hepatitis children, chronic diseases, etc.

    In general, in terms of the number of prisoners we have, we are slightly behind the United States, which at the moment is more likely to wash a couple of times in the population. And our economy just can’t stand building new camps — how many people do not work this way and offer to increase all this many times))) Yes, and protect them on the balance to spend money, how many need to have large oak trees?))


    Engineer,

    How many children do you have? A whole horde?

    I know for sure, though not from the village, if there is work in the village, then it’s not up to vodka and the club
    if there is no work then besides moonshine and samosad)) there is no longer to do neher, but for this you do not need either a store or electricity, especially the Internet

    The whole problem lies precisely in employment and in a stable income-Otherwise, at least shoot all but the people will not increase))

    And those at least who have at least a gram of their opinion spat on your programs, We know you, the wolves talk about vegetarianism))
    1. Engineer
      +2
      5 September 2011 19: 33
      I have two children, there will be three)))

      My daughter speaks 3 languages ​​fluently, including Russian. I hope her head will not hurt than to occupy herself in the evening.

      In terms of income, I consider myself to be poor, since more than 50% of the budget goes only to food.

      But there is always work in the village, a house to patch up, pick up mushrooms, a plow garden and the state has nothing to do with it. A lot of series there watch how Abramovichs ride yachts and apartments of 1000 square meters each. m. in Santa Barbara divide, therefore, and driven and cook, instead of doing it.
  24. m1979
    0
    5 September 2011 19: 59
    Engineer,
    Well done)
    But you must admit that in the villages you’re not the majority, I know people who have gone to fight because they are sick of the mailbox from the city bustle and those who live there work a big family, but there are few

    I don’t believe if most of the villages live like you do well. I know from work (fieldman) that I have to wander to different places — there are very few villages where I’ve seen more or less the more — they don’t work — grandmother complains not a single tractor and tractor operator to plow the garden—
    Poltinik for an overnight stay he-come again-and cook breakfast and lunch and the bath-just a little lamp repair-no one-That's it
  25. +3
    5 September 2011 21: 24
    Those who now say that the material component does not play a special role are simply people who do not have children. Alcoholism is also a major vice. Guys, everything is paid, there are no sports halls, no circles, there is only one interest - vodka and grass. etc. After the use of these components, women are no longer needed, and indeed interest in life disappears!
    And also the popularity of gay parades! Not only have women already ceased to interest many because of drugs, they also want to openly walk along the Red Square. Is that normal? The theme of love for children is constantly disappearing. The Western model rubbed to us, will soon prevail. And still jam-filled all over Russia. For ours already and there is no work ...
  26. m1979
    0
    5 September 2011 22: 09
    Do not know, after vodka, the grass, on the contrary, is drawn to women)) At least destroy at least one pi ... sa! )))
    Moscow is not Russia-Russia is not Moscow
    And at the expense of the jamshuts, do with them like they are above us in jamshutii-immediately accuse our jamutovods of inciting hatred
  27. fedora
    +1
    5 September 2011 22: 56
    In my opinion, the statements: "... people have stopped believing in the future ..." and "... a child is not beneficial from the point of view of materialistic rationalism ..." fully reveal the essence of the problem of Russia's continued existence.
    And the culprits, after these words, surface.
  28. Sanzyro
    0
    6 September 2011 00: 39
    Almost demobilization, at the very beginning he said succinctly, shortly and to the point! The rest is verbiage ...
  29. 0
    6 September 2011 00: 42
    There was a country - the GDR, and they fought for an increase in the birth rate in it - I read for a long time: a young family received a loan at a wedding to buy an apartment, at the birth of the first child 20% of the loan was extinguished, the second - 50%, the third - the loan was repaid in full. (in the numbers for the 1st and 2nd kinder I can be wrong, but about repaying the loan after the birth of the 3rd child, exactly!) True, the GDR was practically a mono-national country, and we have to approach this carefully, otherwise there are schools in Moscow where the children of the Papuans from the "titular nations" who considered themselves the "salt of the earth" in their republics, and who realized that they were not salt, but manure, and rushed to Russia, make up the majority in the classes, while speaking plainly they cannot speak Russian. And we need it, the reproduction is not Russian ??? Can such a program be made only for Russians?
  30. Volkhov
    0
    6 September 2011 01: 00
    In 2013, there will be radiation and it just won’t work, stop arguing and start now. There will be no money at all while they are - buy milk powder.
    1. Sanzyro
      -2
      6 September 2011 01: 11
      Well, yes, and the woman who is growing up ... So you definitely hurry up! wink
  31. 0
    6 September 2011 01: 21
    Yes, the joke is not only in increasing the birth rate. Imagine: she went up. In families of 3 to 5 children. Where to find so many kindergartens for them? With such an increase in demand for children's things (which are now often more expensive than adults), how can we bear the price increase? What about schools? How to accommodate so many students? And then how to get settled? And who will produce and build all this? State? Do not make me laugh. Any oligarchs, mayors? Well, well, they fled. Imagine the problems of rulers from an increasing population! The whole system will need to be changed! Again put the good old socialism! “But the rulers will not do it for sure.” So? So - despite all the attempts, chatter and the next beautiful words about anything from our dear tandem - nothing will change. We will die out further: ((((((
    1. -1
      6 September 2011 12: 06
      Hmm ... and you are right in many ways ... unfortunately.
  32. Patriot
    -2
    6 September 2011 10: 00
    Hello everybody. Uraaa, People. You heard the Queen of Denmark is coming to us. Look carefully for the news, otherwise it may be our prezik-dima and will give her some of our territories that our ancestors so valiantly and zealously joined! As was the case with the king of Norway last year.
    1. Mesniy
      +1
      6 September 2011 16: 44
      Yes, of course, a remark in the subject ...
  33. Mesniy
    +2
    6 September 2011 16: 46
    I read the comments, the conclusion is extremely simple - as long as the population has a low standard of living and there is no confidence in the future, the country will continue to degenerate and die out ...
    I wish the authorities holding these comments read ...
  34. 0
    6 September 2011 23: 49
    Citizens of Russia rallying at this forum "Military Review" read some of your comments on this topic, from ordinary to lieutenants (thank God virtual), it turns out an unambiguous conclusion Russian people do not want to live on!

    And they are trying to bring the most interesting to this, their clever and logical conclusion, with vivid examples from their rich life experience.
    Good! You have increased your rating or not increased, it does not matter.

    What's next? Further - silence. Again, hope for a Russian maybe. But there will be no second Stalin. Then Russia will enter the Yugoslavian scenario of disintegration at full steam and begin to scatter into large and small bounces. And "the power of China will grow by the former Russian Siberia!" The condition for the beginning of the last disintegration of Russia (according to the Yugoslav scenario) will be a drop in the share of the Russian people to 50% in the total population!
    With the worst development of the process of eliminating the Russian people and replacing them with newcomers, the 2020 year (!) May already be the year when the falling number of the Russian people will slip by the mark of 50% of the total population of Russia!

    So, some wise men, like a senior reserve lieutenant (who can get a virtual major), can themselves make sure that they were wrong.

    Russia possesses 35% of the Earth’s resources and 50% of the Earth’s strategic resources, which are of strategic interest primarily to the USA, Europe and China, which create a complex and dangerous situation that threatens the redistribution of land at the expense of Russia. This can only be avoided by a sharp increase in the population and economy of Russia. History left us about 10 - 15 years for this. An analogy can be given with the pre-war years of the USSR. Be late Stalin with the industrialization of the country on 2-3 of the year, the USSR would have been destroyed by Germany in an alliance with almost all of Europe.
    The USSR managed to create large-scale industry as soon as possible and began to rearm the army with modern weapons, which decided the outcome of the war. There were then enough people for war.

    Now I challenge your virtual cons to myself.
    Is the whole point of some participants in the forum “Military Review” is that every day, like a flock of flies to fly from one article to another, leave your comments, and try to seem smarter than you really are. Without thinking about the main thing.
    True, this does not concern everyone! Thank God that there are not many smart people on this site, it means that the rest smart people are doing the necessary and the right thing somewhere else.
    It’s good that these idiots and the like didn’t live before, otherwise there would have been neither rockets, nor airplanes of all that is now on planet earth. They would have blabbed all the projects for their creation, in the bud.
    1. zczczc
      0
      7 September 2011 00: 02
      Do you propose to make a virtual seppuku and everyone to disperse to make children? Thought is not bad, of course. But he himself also wrote here.
    2. Mesniy
      -2
      7 September 2011 00: 31
      For the current problems of Russia in response to Stalin and the other * ovn which she ruled from the age of 17 onwards. And as for the second Stalin, God forbid, this is certainly the end of Russia. And about the smart, this is interesting, and most importantly self-critical ...
      1. zczczc
        +1
        7 September 2011 01: 38
        Apparently, you remember about Stalin no less than other forum users. And you scold him only because you cannot admit to yourself that he was right in many ways (not all).
    3. 0
      8 September 2011 16: 41
      What can you suggest?
      I’ll write to you in a personal email what I’m doing, but I want to note - random people also come to the forum who are looking for the truth from people who are looking for them.
      Many people are now beginning to realize that something is wrong and begin to look around in the crowd to understand who is who. Personally, this site and communication with people (of any party orientation) helped me understand what I need, that I do not think so alone, and that there are many opinions. I am grateful to all the forum participants and my language does not dare to call them stupid. Even if their point of view diverges from mine. I consider stupidity only Nazism and rudeness, hiding behind anonymity.
      What many have written now is most likely already thought, but you are wrong, this is not just a chatter, it is also working with people and searching for your own kind. I read your comments, they added confidence to me, thank you for this, so do not consider this unnecessary verbiage.
      1. Patriot
        -2
        8 September 2011 16: 44
        I look forward to hearing from you in PM.
        1. -1
          9 September 2011 09: 57
          Patriot, after your comment "go to the streets" my report will not satisfy you. But I'll write.
    4. 0
      9 September 2011 09: 30
      And you can find out what you are, so clever, PERSONAL to do to improve the situation in the country?

      Let's not take demographics at all? Do something?
      If yes, is this one, if not, how do you personally differ from those whom you so vehemently denounce? Yes, nothing. The same, actually.

      And I do not care if I get a major here, or not. As well as I deeply do not care for all the minuses or pros. Not then come. I leave it to those who really need to raise their ChSV. I have it all right.
      I enjoy communicating with smart people, and, regardless of whether I support their point of view or not. I make for myself certain conclusions, which I then use with pleasure in my practice.

      By the way, you did not bother to answer the questions raised by me above. Cost, too, emotions. Sorry, merged.
      1. 0
        9 September 2011 22: 57
        Well, Stas, that's right, the fifth column is going to be there.
        Everyone is so corrupt, ready to take people to the streets.

        Comment by Banshee on the article by Artashes Geghamyan: The strategy of dismembering Russia has already entered a hot phase.
  35. Patriot
    -2
    8 September 2011 12: 28
    stas uhalus

    Comrades. This is all populism in the framework of the election campaign and dusting the elects of the Moggis.
  36. Patriot
    -2
    8 September 2011 16: 24
    Comrades. How long will this go on?

    It is necessary to take to the streets and protest against the current government. Is it really not clear. She does not have the right to exist in RUSSIA.
    Otherwise, a horse. Otherwise, medveputy will continue the collapse of the Russian Federation. Moreover, the Russian people need to unite with Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan. And create your own economic and customs space. Is it really not clear that the gdp plan and I will give it is clearly sharpening our economy under a raw materials appendage. Take a look around. Open your eyes. What do you buy Russian apart from products? What? All somehow complicated things produced in other countries. Where the level of technology development and labor productivity are higher. And, of course, in these countries the cost is lower.
    And if we are drawn into the WTO, then that's it. THIS WILL BE THE LAST IMPACT ON OUR SICK COUNTRY FROM DIMA AND VOVA.
    Further there will be a point of no return.
    1. Mesniy
      0
      10 September 2011 20: 43
      That's right. Our silence is appealing to many. And although there are different opinions about both the past and the future, it seems that all are united in one thing - as now - LIFE IS IMPOSSIBLE! And you have to do something about it, it’s not too late yet. there is no hope. So, other actions are needed.
  37. bells
    0
    9 September 2011 00: 27
    In general, the loan is an alien phenomenon to us!
    Loan for children!? Are you kidding me?
    The state, if it wants to increase the birth rate, must 1) pay from birth more than 200.000 rubles and 100% more for each subsequent birth, but pay if the parents / parent work even earlier when registering 2) at the birth of a third child, provide social welfare dog apartment / house 3) build / select kindergartens 4) make education free (secondary and higher)
    1. Aktium
      0
      9 September 2011 16: 41
      In 1971, my father bought furniture on credit. And you say - "an alien phenomenon."
      In general, how should this state pay for children? Slave psychology.
      The state must ensure the safety of its citizens (including financial and economic). For everything else, citizens must take care of themselves. If you do not work (business, service, etc.), no one will feed you. Not in the USSR neither in Russia, anywhere in the world parasites are needed. To have something, you need to earn, earn.
      The same applies to children. There will be no President or any other official who will give birth to your children. Give birth yourself. And provide yourself.
      You can, of course, argue. Like, why then do we pay taxes to the state? And in what amounts are these taxes calculated? Five hundred rubles a month? Six thousand a year and thirty thousand in 50 years. Well, where to get such funds to the state to pay each family 200 thousand for each child?
      With education - I agree. But before you "educate", you need to give birth. And if women do not want to give birth, this is the problem. Who will give birth to yesterday's schoolgirl, who drinks "energy" every day, smokes like a steam locomotive and has had more than one abortion?
      And those who are normal - they already do not need any reason to give birth to a child. A normal woman will give birth to three or five. And she will not moan about: "Why produce poverty?"
  38. 0
    9 September 2011 09: 19
    Quote: bels
    In general, the loan is an alien phenomenon to us!
    Loan for children!? Are you kidding me?


    Dear, I fully agree with you. But by no means scoff. In my commentary, speaking about POSSIBLE steps to improve demographics, I had in mind the fact that the family I often need the money for the YOUNG 9). After - also an option, but still.

    That is why many of my acquaintances do not yet burden themselves with the topic of childbirth, precisely because of the lack of "initial capital". This is not about five thousand in our time.

    That is why I used the term "credit". You can put any word that suits you. The essence will not change. Here's the money, bear it, give birth, lift it to your feet. I could not - return. The only way. If our maternity capital is sold, then this business can be ruined. Therefore, he spoke for careful control from the social security authorities.

    In general, my "program" differs from yours only in point 1. Purely by the fact that he himself collided. So I gave it out like that. I don't think (I know for sure) that I'm not the only one.

    Carrying and giving birth to a child is a vacuum cleaner in terms of money. Therefore, dust should be a lot.
  39. Aktium
    +1
    9 September 2011 16: 49
    Asians give birth to children without any troubles about "Where to get money." What does this say? The fact that our people are as imbued with the ideas of "personal comfort" as the citizens of the "rotten West." It's not about money. It's a personal relationship to this problem. If a plasma TV and a private car are more important for someone it is not worth trying to convince such a person.
    In general, I advise you to read Chernyshevsky's novel "What is to be done?" The author's reasoning is, of course, amateurish, but the general line of thought is correct.
  40. Mriya
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    10 September 2011 15: 43
    By the way about the earth. In vain you think that large families have nowhere to take funds for building a house. Considering the fact that some of the "old" large families have apartments, some of them are jack of all trades, and some do not earn so little (just by dividing the total income for the entire hop, the company does not turn out to be much higher than the subsistence level), but if free land / communications - the cost of the house drops by half, + the ability to build over time, then land for large families is very necessary. Another thing is that the authorities are not so eager to give it.
    1. Mesniy
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      10 September 2011 20: 46
      Yes, they give this land even now, on the outskirts, without communications, and often without a passable road.
  41. ytqnhfk
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    11 September 2011 21: 29
    Children do not have for various reasons: 1 Fear will not have enough money. 2 I want to live for myself first (on my own). 3 I don’t have time to make a career from the beginning, I’ll achieve everything. BUT ALL THIS IS IMPACTED NOT ONLY BY TIME BUT ALSO A DELUSION THAT CHILDREN WAIT. And at the age of 27-35 already 2-3 children to have and "scary and late."
  42. slan
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    11 September 2011 22: 49
    And here at home, salaries ..? The "golden billion" is also dying out rather well, and vice versa .. The point is that this is not the point, but the people, their culture, morality and values. And while Medveputy in the news talk about the need to correct the demographic situation, and then "houses-2", "universes" and other degeneration begin on state and Gazprom channels, nothing can be achieved except for an increase in the birth rate in the marginal strata of society, which only lack maternity capital ... For normal people, 300 will never be an important factor in family planning.
    There is no morality and culture, no family, no nation. It is rare that someone will have several children with a partner in whom he is not sure that he will live to old age.
    There is another option - to build a network of orphanages and take infants there for money. Well, or continue to import Tajiks. But is it not better to just return to your culture?