Paul Craig Roberts: Russia may stop supplying energy to NATO nations

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Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, whose opinion is regularly voiced on the pages of the Military Review, was interviewed by KWN (not to be confused with the Russian KVN). According to the well-known economist, the West early rejoices at “trampling Russia into mud”, “the end of Russia” and turning it into an American “vassal”. Roberts believes that the West has become completely stupid.



Paul Craig Roberts recently gave an interview to the portal King World News (KWN). According to him, Russia will eventually release its “black swans”. As for the West, it should be wary of the destruction of the financial system. Yes, the West, not Russia.

Dr. Roberts said: "I listened today newsand all these self-satisfied people appeared there - they are just happy because they decided that they finally trampled Russia into mud and that Russia was now over, Russia was broken, and it would soon become a vassal state entirely owned by the United States. And I listened to this nonsense and thought: “How can people be so stupid?” But they really are, and they are just as stupid as those who sit in Washington. ”

Meanwhile, the Russian “black swans” can scatter the western “house of cards,” said Dr. Roberts.

What are these “swans” and why precisely “black”?

According to the suggestion of Comrade Roberts, the Russian government, for example, can declare: the attack on the ruble is a political one; You guys are attacking our ruble, which creates a lot of trouble for us. And if so, we changed our minds to repay part of our debts, which we should pay off at the beginning of 2015. We will not pay, and that's all.

Well, so what of it? And the fact that the European banking system will collapse! Economist Roberts points out that local banks are simply undercapitalized. Some of them live on loans provided to Russia, and these loans issued have devoured almost all of their fixed capital.

Moscow does not even need to talk about some kind of default. The Kremlin will simply say: “We are not going to pay this year. We will do this later. Well, when the ruble stabilizes. ” (Laughter).

And this decision will simply kill the West. Rather, its financial system. Roberts says that all interconnections should be taken into account in the economy and reminds that the noisy bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers had a very negative effect not only on the USA, but also on Europe.

It is difficult to predict what could have come out of such a move by Russia, Roberts thinks further. Too much speculation in the world. “Derivative financial instruments” are many times larger than the global gross domestic product. And no one knows who the counterparties.

If European banks start to plunge into the abyss of collapse, who knows how the market of all these derivatives will behave? After all, the whole Western system is a house of cards, an economist writes. It is based on nothing but market manipulation. So you don't need a very strong push to push such a weak one.

So, the "black swan". That's the point: if the Russians, “says Roberts,“ are completely angry, ”they will make a special message for European governments. This is: "We will no longer sell natural gas or any other energy carriers to NATO members."

Here is a statement. So, what is next? Roberts admits that the result of this decision could be the complete collapse of the North Atlantic alliance. Yes, and the collapse of individual states in Europe, too. Even powerful Germany will end.

But even such a puppet government, like the German one, will not allow citizens to freeze without heating, and the factories shut down, and unemployment would jump to forty percent. No, the German government will take a reasonable decision and refuse to participate in NATO. And here is the biggest “black swan”: NATO will no longer exist. The alliance will fall apart.

Therefore, the economist says, if the Russians want to destroy NATO, all they have to do is turn off the energy resources supplied to the members of the alliance.

A man from the Kremlin just has to call "Puppet Merkel, puppet Hollande, doll Cameron and say:" You guys really like being in NATO, but let me tell you that we will never again supply energy to NATO members. "

That would be the real end of NATO, Roberts believes, and it would also be the finish of American power.

This is how many “black swans” Russia can produce. All the cards in the hands of Putin, says an American economist.

We must also remember, he continues, that Putin is reorienting his country to the east. And we will soon see that Russia, India and China will become world leaders. Not the USA!

Interestingly, we add from ourselves that not only Roberts argues about the opposition of NATO and Russia and those “swans” that Moscow could release.

Journalist Howard Lafranchi ("Christian Science Monitor"), whose opinion led 25 December channel "RT"He gave the West advice: think carefully before taking Ukraine into NATO. If Ukraine is free to be friends with anyone it wants, then Russia has the right to determine who is her friend and who is the enemy.

The Verkhovna Rada voted to abolish the non-aligned status of Ukraine, reminds the journalist. The situation in the east has calmed down a bit, this time, and the Russian economy started having problems, these are two. In such conditions, Howard Lafranci notes, the Ukrainian government felt bolder and decided on a “provocative and inflammatory step”.

According to Lafranci, Ukraine has the right to decide whether or not to join the North Atlantic alliance, just as the countries of the alliance have the right to decide whether to accept Ukraine. But, after all, Russia has the right to decide how to respond to Ukraine’s aspiration to become a member of NATO. (A direct analogy to Roberts's “black swans” suggests itself.)

Further, Lafranci strongly recommends “to all parties to this confrontation” to think: will Europe become more stable and secure if Ukraine joins NATO?

The author seems to have no doubt that Europe will be bad.

And here is the Russian answer. He appeared in our press 25 December.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said that a further expansion of NATO to the east would force Russia to retaliate. “I would stress that the possible further expansion of the Alliance to the east will inevitably lead to a very serious military-political shift not only in Europe but throughout the world and will directly affect Russia's national security interests and force our country to take the necessary adequate measures,” Lukashevich quotes. tv channel "NTV".

“It is obvious that the Russian side should have long ago reminded Ukraine and the countries of the North Atlantic alliance of the price they will pay for the integration,” Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of National Defense magazine, told IA "REGNUM". - We finally made it clear that Russia will not passively observe how the threat to its security is growing before our eyes. At one time, we actually ignored, escaping sluggish protests, the approach of NATO to our borders. It seems that on the other side, too, they relaxed and decided that even now joining an organization in such a large and resource-rich country as Ukraine would also pass almost imperceptibly. So: it is now clear, regardless of further developments, that Russia will not be silent or passively protest ”.

The expert added: “If before that we did not have a clear military doctrine, and the status of NATO was not clearly defined, now, in the case of continuing aggressive actions towards Russia, we openly begin to regard the alliance as an adversary. Russia is decisively set up and there will be no compromises with the United States and NATO. ”

Recall that the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine 23 December adopted a law on the waiver of non-aligned status of the state. The document provides for the return of Kiev to the course of rapprochement with NATO. The bill submitted to parliament 18 December Mr. Poroshenko himself.

In essence, the candy oligarch continued the implementation of the ideas of President Yushchenko, interrupted by Viktor Yanukovych, who, as is well known, spoke in favor of maintaining the non-aligned status of Ukraine.

Someone very strongly begs for "black swans"!

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Evgen4ik
    +5
    26 December 2014 09: 37
    The reasoning is, in principle, more fantastic, but if China supports us, it is quite possible to crank it up. China says that we have as many dough dates as we need, and we declare that we have decided to send the EU to the bottom. And that's it, Putin outplayed everyone)))
    The only question is, will China do this and when? Now he is still weak .... Yuan is still far from leadership.
    1. +47
      26 December 2014 09: 45
      You have to rely on yourself. Loot just so no one gives.
      1. +18
        26 December 2014 10: 09
        Block gas to Europe? Very, very great danger of the beginning of the 3rd World War in this case. But on the other hand, we did warn.
        1. +14
          26 December 2014 10: 12
          Quote: b0bi
          Very, very great danger of the beginning of the 3rd World War in this case.

          What is the third world, America in this case will applaud standing up to this decision, and for the Russian Federation it will be fined, falling incomes, reputational losses, and nothing good further
          1. +17
            26 December 2014 10: 39
            A la ger a la ger
            1. -8
              26 December 2014 13: 46
              Something tells me that if I wrote "in war as in war" there would be much more advantages)
              1. +9
                26 December 2014 14: 05
                Quote: Midshipman
                A la ger a la ger

                Do you know where to push your "herr"! I have 3 small ones, and your "herr" will not be on the monitor at all. The difference between global wars and point conflicts is precisely in the disproportionately large destruction of the "peace man"
                py sy - sorry for the harshness
                1. +8
                  26 December 2014 14: 13
                  Where and what should I push if we are put in a pose from which we cannot get out in a good way? Or maybe you are one of those who prefer German beer? I have four dependent, if that (
                  1. +4
                    26 December 2014 23: 02
                    Quote: Midshipman
                    Where and what should I push if we are put in a pose from which we cannot get out in a good way?

                    If retracted in a pose, of course give teeth. But you must admit, while there is an opportunity to reset the contradictions locally, this is better for everyone, except for those who find themselves in a contradictory locale, of course.
          2. +39
            26 December 2014 10: 43
            Was anyone scared of penalties or reputational losses at least for the Mistral? They go! I think that despite the correctness of our demands on helicopter carriers, it will be very difficult to make France pay. Only by turning on serious levers will it be possible to achieve something.
            1. -1
              26 December 2014 13: 45
              What does it mean difficult? Was there a contract? Pay the penalty. Any arbitration court will take the side of Russia. This is a fundamental principle of doing business. France’s rejection of it puts an end to it as a trading partner.
              1. +20
                26 December 2014 19: 32
                This is ridiculous ... international law for "civilized countries", Russia does not belong to any in the opinion of Western politicians, which means they will find many reasons (the same Crimea) why the arbitration court will not take the side of the Russian Federation ... do not have illusions
              2. +5
                27 December 2014 12: 41
                Well, you are naive comrade, they are not only penalties, they will not even return the main prepayment, and the decisions of our arbitration courts to them to one place.
                1. 0
                  29 December 2014 09: 53
                  Decisions of international courts. Refusal to fulfill its obligations under a commercial contract would be an indelible stain on France's reputation. All sane people and her trading partners will understand this regardless of any court decisions, especially since it can be properly promoted. In an extreme case, you can refuse to pay debts to French banks for this amount and let the "civilized arbitration" try to blather something.
          3. +17
            26 December 2014 10: 53
            Quote: saag
            and for the Russian Federation it’s penalties,


            What are the penalties? Current contracts are being executed without renewal and conclusion of new ones. Even a hint of such an outcome of the relationship will cause, if not panic, then a specific reduction in the sphincter of the EU governments.

            Quote: saag
            falling income


            drop in income - yes. And even access to new markets in the eastern direction is hardly compensated by them. However, if we restore our industry with powerful kicks (though now it’s not even sad with this, but you just want to hang yourself), then there will be enough income.

            Quote: saag
            reputational loss


            What are such reputational losses? If (see item 1) we fulfilled our contractual obligations in full, then "honestly" said, they say, "I'm sorry, there is nothing to eat ourselves, so we can't sell" what kind of reputation losses are we talking about? On the contrary, we honestly warned our partners that "call, lads, the bananas are over, here's the time - look for new suppliers."

            Quote: saag
            and nothing good further


            But you can argue with that, for two, because of the panic of these members, the tower can be torn down specifically, and the third world is here. And this is definitely nothing good. To nobody. All over the planet.
            1. +2
              26 December 2014 10: 57
              Quote: Warlock_r
              for from the panic of these members the tower can be torn down specifically, and the third world is here

              No, there’s no third world war, the USA in this case gets a sales market in Europe, they even pat on the shoulder the main one in the country and say how good he is
              1. +14
                26 December 2014 11: 14
                Quote: saag
                No, there’s no third world war, the USA in this case gets a sales market in Europe, they even pat on the shoulder the main one in the country and say how good he is


                Well, there are several nuances:
                1. Cost. I will never believe that the extraction of resources in Merikosia is much cheaper than the extraction of resources from us. And even if it’s cheaper, they also need to be delivered to the buyer. Do not care at whose expense this banquet. If for the state, then they will sell resources more expensive. If at the expense of counterparties, then these counterparties will have to spend the loot for delivery.
                2. Volumes. I am not a professional in this field, but it is unlikely that the reserves of gas and oil in America are sufficient to reliably supply all of Europe for a sufficiently long time. And every year the value of resources will increase. And with it the cost.
                3. But with the third world, everything is simple: there are few resources, and there are not enough resources for all of them, but here, some 1/8 of the ecumenical community is nearby. Isn't it bold? And you and I understand that nifiga, not fat. But will we draw out a military hitting on us from half the world? Or are you hoping for China? Yes, it is more profitable for him to join this Caudle (to the extremes, to stand aside), and then with a clear conscience finish off the winner or spoil a piece of the vanquished to himself. Such a good piece.
                1. 0
                  26 December 2014 11: 17
                  Quote: Warlock_r
                  2. Volumes. I am not a professional in this field, but it is unlikely that the reserves of gas and oil in America are sufficient to reliably supply all of Europe

                  And they don’t need everything, only for the third that Gazprom now occupies in supplies, it’s 150 billion cubic meters per year
                  1. +3
                    26 December 2014 11: 30
                    So this is currently 150 billion. And with this, as I understand it, with the second third, the one that comes from Norway (the current article was here), not everything is rosy. Those. another 150 billion - a total of 300. At the same time, the states, as far as I know, greatly protect their oil producing fields, and still try not to spend them, but to change oil from the UAE to their candy wrappers. And if you also have to supply Europe, you will either have to print out your storage facilities, or spend more forfeit for the purchase, for subsequent resale. And this is a direct cost increase for the end user. As a result, everything comes to the conclusion that Europe will have to pay more and more for resources. And when the unsecured dollar will make a big boom, and in exchange for oil, the Saudis will ask that the thread is more substantial? .. What will happen then?
                    1. +2
                      26 December 2014 11: 42
                      Quote: Warlock_r
                      And when the unsecured dollar will make a big boom, and in exchange for oil, the Saudis will ask that the thread is more substantial? .. What will happen then?

                      Then the supplier will be Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, and the Saudis will be sent to the forest, especially since ISIS grinds its teeth on the Saudis
                      1. +2
                        26 December 2014 12: 35
                        Quote: saag

                        Then the supplier will be Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, and the Saudis will be sent to the forest, especially since ISIS grinds its teeth on the Saudis


                        So they, too, will ask for something real for deliveries. If the dollar does burst, then nobody will need it. And what will the states give themselves?
                        And the most interesting thing is that they (the states) also understand this, and gradually begin to withdraw production from China back to themselves.
                      2. 0
                        26 December 2014 18: 09
                        what do states give away? yes bomb and that's it!
                      3. +3
                        26 December 2014 13: 43
                        Quote: saag
                        Then the supplier will Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, and the Saudis will be sent to the forest, especially since ISIS also grinds its teeth on the Saudis


                        "Will be, will be" ... Question-WHEN will it be (in how many YEARS)? AND WHAT will happen to the EU economy over the years? But a lot will stop with them, and this is unemployment, social collapse (and they have completely lost the habit of this) and so on, so forth ...
                      4. +1
                        26 December 2014 13: 50
                        Here it is ... And, as practice shows, with sufficient help, a collapse can happen very quickly and very badly. Do not underestimate the risks, especially taking into account the psychological mobilization resources of opponents.
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                      6. KZakVO
                        0
                        27 December 2014 17: 39
                        If everything was so simple, it would have been delivered from Asia a long time ago, but there is no infrastructure, and for now, Europe will kneel down
                2. +3
                  26 December 2014 18: 57
                  And what do you suggest? Kneel down again - "if only there was no war"? What are your suggestions. I am not a supporter of war. I'm not a hawk. But imagine that the President of the Russian Federation is faced with such a choice: either do as it is written in the article in order to defend his independent policy and the sovereignty of the State, but with the likelihood of the outbreak of hostilities on all fronts, or “kneel down” and continue telling the people about his greatness, and to the shepherds "Yes, sir! This minute, sir."
                  1. 0
                    26 December 2014 20: 28
                    Quote: mark2
                    But imagine that the President of the Russian Federation is faced with such a choice: either do as it is written in the article in order to defend his independent policy and the sovereignty of the State, but with the likelihood of the outbreak of hostilities on all fronts, or “kneel down” and continue telling the people about his greatness, and to the shepherds "Yes, sir! This minute, sir."

                    And the second option is more likely, alas ... recourse
                    1. 0
                      26 December 2014 21: 53
                      He is likely. And more or less, we don’t know for sure
                    2. 0
                      28 December 2014 19: 19
                      Moreover, everything is already on the second option
                3. ADK57
                  0
                  26 December 2014 21: 47
                  China decided in the summer of 2015 to conduct joint naval exercises with Russia in the Mediterranean Sea. What is it for? Will we have to pay debts after the exercises?
                  Any missile frigate from such a close distance is able to demolish half of Europe by atomic weapons.
                4. +2
                  27 December 2014 12: 01
                  And what is the meaning of this collision for the West? For such an attack, one must have an acceptable chance of victory.
                  Does Germany have them, which most of all in the EU needs our energy resources? If Russia has 4000 tactical nuclear warheads, the question is rhetorical.
                  US why this war at home? They have their own energy sources and it’s enough for them. Until we start destroying their raw materials base, the Middle East, they won’t climb into the war. In any case, with nuclear weapons and attacks on the territory of Russia.
                  China will not have to win the winner. There will only be losers of varying degrees of severity. The EU is more likely due to population density, the United States is slightly less and the Russian Federation is even smaller. Since we still have more territories and shoot at half-empty Urals and Siberia nobody will be.
                  So the conclusion is this: the United States, of course, may try to inflate the war in Eurasia, they themselves distance themselves from it. Otherwise, this war makes no sense to them.
                5. KZakVO
                  +2
                  27 December 2014 17: 36
                  If they crush us, then the next one will be China, and the narrow-eyed ones are not suckers, they have all calculated
                6. 0
                  27 December 2014 23: 38
                  All this would have worked if it were not for nuclear weapons ... At the last line, the government of any nuclear power will use the last argument, but then ... In general, the question of "free" territories will not be raised. And in general: no one will have any more questions ... Not for any reason.
                7. 0
                  28 December 2014 21: 32
                  About China has hit the nail on the head. They have a proverb like this. If Russia and the United States fight each other, then China must be likened to a wise monkey sitting on a tree and watching the battle.
              2. +1
                26 December 2014 14: 11
                Quote: saag
                In this case, the USA gets a sales market in Europe.


                Yes, but at what price for Europeans (~ $ 700), and this is not a hamster sneezed. stop
                1. +2
                  26 December 2014 14: 17
                  Quote: Lelek
                  Yes, but at what price for Europeans (~ $ 700), and this is not a hamster sneezed.

                  Yes - I just had a hamster sneezed - so his cardboard house was torn apart.
              3. +1
                26 December 2014 14: 19
                The market is too easy. The global goal is a global oligarchic government. The United States tried to do something similar in the form of the UN on the basis of universal fear after the Second World War, but Stalin did not allow it. Not the United States, of course, as a national-political entity, but the Rothschilds-Rockefellers. It is they who are interfered with by national officials, without them they would have ruled the world directly.
              4. 0
                26 December 2014 23: 44
                Quote: saag
                In this case, the USA gets a sales market in Europe.

                They have no gas to fill this market.
              5. KZakVO
                0
                27 December 2014 17: 34
                while they clap Europe will freeze and nobody will allow it
            2. +1
              26 December 2014 16: 06
              Quote: Warlock_r
              drop in income - yes. And even access to new markets in the eastern direction is hardly compensated by them.

              Revenues from gas abroad are somewhat exaggerated.
              If we scatter them over the entire population of Russia (without Crimea), then in annual terms this amounts to about 5 tr at the current rate. per person.
              1. +2
                27 December 2014 12: 52
                You probably forgot to deduct the salaries of Miller and other senior managers.
            3. 0
              28 December 2014 21: 29
              In general, the current agreements will have to be fulfilled for many years to avoid penalties. They are concluded immediately for many years. For example, Ukraine will still suck Russia until 2019 from 2009.
          4. +6
            26 December 2014 11: 09
            Someone very strongly begs for "black swans"!


            and there are also "white swans" !!!
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          6. +4
            26 December 2014 11: 23
            Quote: saag
            Quote: b0bi
            Very, very great danger of the beginning of the 3rd World War in this case.

            What is the third world, America in this case will applaud standing up to this decision, and for the Russian Federation it will be fined, falling incomes, reputational losses, and nothing good further


            That one is the last. Neither America nor penalties after it will exist in principle.
          7. +2
            26 December 2014 12: 36
            Pay attention to the contract with the Mistrals. In the event France does not fulfill its obligations, Russia may set its conditions for other NATO countries. Now there is a financial war, which means the non-fulfillment of any contract, can cause a chain reaction throughout the pyramid.
          8. +3
            26 December 2014 12: 49
            In order to deliver gas (liquefied) to Europe from America, it is necessary to build reception ports, storage facilities, a pipeline network, pumping stations, and a whole bunch more. And before that, all this needs to be designed. Less than 3 - 4 years it will not take. What, then, will Europe do with the USA?
          9. 0
            26 December 2014 21: 23
            And who is stopping right now to declare that with the end of contracts Gazprom will not extend them with NATO countries? There will be no penalties for this!
          10. 0
            26 December 2014 21: 57
            What are the sanctions? What are you talking about? The geyropka has already provided two precedents exempting the Russian Federation from fulfilling any contracts. And, excuse me, sanctions - this is not for you to ride on the window - this is a violation of all WTO rules. In addition, financing fascism (European Reich No. 4) is even a criminal offense in the Russian Federation. So what's the deal?
          11. 0
            26 December 2014 23: 39
            Quote: saag
            What is the third world, America in this case will applaud standing up to this decision, and for the Russian Federation it will be fined, falling incomes, reputational losses, and nothing good further

            Remember, on the sale of oil and gas is primarily a buyer.
          12. 0
            27 December 2014 15: 42
            Everything is in parity. First, they will refuse us penalties against France (Mistral) and Germany (Mulen landfill), as well as sanctions against the WTO, and then we will also show them the muzzle if so, that's all!
          13. 0
            27 December 2014 15: 42
            Everything is in parity. First, they will refuse us penalties against France (Mistral) and Germany (Mulen landfill), as well as sanctions against the WTO, and then we will also show them the muzzle if so, that's all!
          14. +1
            27 December 2014 16: 34
            What sanctions, what REPUTATIONAL losses in open war !?
          15. 0
            27 December 2014 16: 36
            There is danger, everything goes to this, but the strength of our spirit will not allow them to unleash a war against Russia and we must not forget that our totem is a Bear and he does not like when he is dictated by politeness.
          16. 0
            27 December 2014 19: 43
            In connection with the sanctions, all agreements can be terminated unilaterally - sanctions are pressure on the financial system. But ... the interests of the oligarchs and their property abroad - these are immediately torn apart by the brothers of the European democrats.
          17. 0
            27 December 2014 23: 31
            Reputation? After all that the EU has done ?! I think that even one of the "black swans" will be just an adequate response to the West's demarche.
          18. 0
            28 December 2014 21: 24
            If for 2015 60% of the budget from the sale of energy was laid, then what kind of existence are we talking about? Given that hundreds of billions of dollars are stored in the west. You will not use them anymore. And Europe will survive this calmly. EU GDP is $ 17 trillion, Russia - 2 trillion for 2013. The EU population is 500 million, Russia - 140 million. per capita, Russia loses significantly.
        2. +4
          26 December 2014 14: 05
          Quote: b0bi
          Shut off gas to Europe


          Declare Nord Stream in disrepair and begin preventive maintenance for a year. To close the Ukrainian pipe due to extreme wear and tear on the territory of the "Square". Council to the EU: - contact the Turks, they may help. bully
          1. 0
            26 December 2014 21: 56
            As an option.
        3. +5
          26 December 2014 18: 56
          great danger of the beginning of the 3rd world


          if the Americans decide to start a war, then they will start it, although the whole world wallow at their feet and beg not to start this war.
          They are already stunned by their impunity.
          Another question is that Russia will never release its "black swans".
          At one time, the USSR had a great chance to bring down the United States after its rejection of the gold content of the dollar. But, as always - "as if there were no war ... peace-peace."
          Good we are!
          But the Americans, in turn, will not doubt. Instead of reason, they have only tsifiri in their head. It is written that NATO is several times superior to Russia - everything ... they won’t think much. They will persuade themselves, calm down and celebrate victory in advance.
        4. for
          0
          26 December 2014 19: 13
          Very, very great danger of the beginning of World War 3 in this case

          Well this is unlikely.
          Painfully they are accustomed to "good", but we are used to stoking the stoves with wood ..........
        5. 0
          27 December 2014 10: 25
          You know that gas and oil, this is our product, and it is our business to whom to sell, they will declare war on you, by which you refused to sell your property, let them shuffle in your mouth how tight they are, or else they will be knocked out by them all one. That's it.
        6. 0
          27 December 2014 11: 14
          Quote: b0bi
          Block gas to Europe? Very, very great danger of the beginning of the 3rd World War in this case. But on the other hand, we did warn.


          To make such a decision it is necessary to be an independent country with its own constitution, and not written by the enemy. And under capitalism that won in the Russian Federation, the main issue price is not the ideological things.
        7. 0
          28 December 2014 09: 59
          we are threatened with disconnection from swift - this is comparable.
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      3. +6
        26 December 2014 10: 23
        Played enough with nationalistic rattles. From the "kids" babbling in their own way, uro.dy grow up who do not recognize the Russian language and their parent - Russia. Give someone a Muslim enclave in the middle of the city, someone - NATO! There was, is, and will be a United and Indivisible Russia! The Kiev junta, having rushed to NATO, itself pronounced a verdict on its "independence".
        1. 0
          26 December 2014 21: 59
          Right. In February they were told clearly: Basta, the little ones, the dances ended. If someone does not understand, this is their problem ...
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      4. for
        0
        26 December 2014 19: 12
        And how do you: - "Suckers should be bred for grandmothers!"
    2. +5
      26 December 2014 10: 13
      Hmm ... Yes, China has already announced its support for Russia ... A campaign scenario is looming ... !!! We are waiting !!!
    3. -2
      26 December 2014 10: 27
      Quote: Evgen4ik
      The reasoning is, in principle, more fantastic, but if China supports us, it is quite possible to crank it up. China says that we have as many dough dates as we need, and we declare that we have decided to send the EU to the bottom. And that's it, Putin outplayed everyone)))
      The only question is, will China do this and when? Now he is still weak .... Yuan is still far from leadership.

      To begin with, China as a dough can give us only US debt ... So it does not dance out.
      1. +1
        26 December 2014 11: 26
        Black swans, of course, are still far away, this can only happen when the third world war begins, and so the ruble will eventually level out, the Masons also need petrodollars, so the price of oil will inevitably rise.
        1. 0
          26 December 2014 14: 08
          When the third world starts, they will trade exclusively for gold, who will need cut paper in the atomic bunker?
          1. +2
            26 December 2014 14: 15
            Quote: Midshipman
            When the third world starts, they will trade exclusively for gold, who will need cut paper in the atomic bunker?

            They will change for grain and stew. laughing
          2. KZakVO
            0
            27 December 2014 17: 45
            And how many of these bunkers, and what for there gold ???
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      3. jjj
        +5
        26 December 2014 11: 35
        Quote: Zerstorer
        China as a dough can give us only US debt ...

        These obligations are actually the same money. The issuer is obliged to accept them. If he doesn’t do it even once, the system of obligations will collapse. Therefore, the acquisition of something tangible, say gold, for these securities is an extremely profitable business.
        And these papers will collapse, they are not backed by anything and are held only on "word of honor"
        1. 0
          26 December 2014 22: 01
          Yes, we remember which US "issuer" is an ordinary swindler, no more. How many defaults have we had in history? And the United States? Don't you remember?
      4. +1
        26 December 2014 16: 09
        Quote: Zerstorer
        To begin with, China as a dough can give us only US debt ... So it does not dance out.

        To begin with, China can give yuan, provided with all the productive power of China.
    4. +2
      26 December 2014 11: 34
      Quote: Evgen4ik
      The reasoning is, in principle, more fantastic

      Reasoning is crazy.

      This is either a mockery, or he is a fat trollite, or indeed fool

      In Geyrop, energy resources are diversified - the same Saudis or ISIS will gladly take the place of Russia. Yes, Geyropa will face some inconvenience - but for a short time. And image and money losses will be catastrophic.
      What we are now seeing is the "majority effect" - when the pendos and the gayrope break the law together, but they say to each other - this is right, this is forced, it makes no sense to appeal to the letter of treaties and international laws.

      What these ... radishes now allow themselves is not permissible for Russia. Nobility is always limited in means.
      1. +1
        26 December 2014 13: 54
        Quote: iConst
        Quote: Evgen4ik
        The reasoning is, in principle, more fantastic

        Reasoning is crazy.

        This is either a mockery, or he is a fat trollite, or indeed fool

        In Geyrop, energy resources are diversified - the same Saudis or ISIS will gladly take the place of Russia. Yes, Geyropa will face some inconvenience - but for a short time. And image and money losses will be catastrophic.
        What we are now seeing is the "majority effect" - when the pendos and the gayrope break the law together, but they say to each other - this is right, this is forced, it makes no sense to appeal to the letter of treaties and international laws.

        What these ... radishes now allow themselves is not permissible for Russia. Nobility is always limited in means.

        Conclusion: in the CA it is very bad with communism. A good reason to drive the Saudis into inferno
        wassat
        1. +1
          26 December 2014 22: 02
          You are mistaken: it is good with communism, bad without brains.
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      3. +2
        26 December 2014 14: 00
        Quote: iConst
        Yes, Geyropa will face some inconvenience - but for a short time.


        Can you imagine what a stop at least Mersedes and a dozen more such at least a week for the German economy? But in order to organize the delivery of LNG, it takes years, there is no free capacity. And Germany’s reserves for six months ...
        1. +1
          26 December 2014 14: 08
          Quote: Aleksander
          Can you imagine what a stop at least Mersedes and a dozen more such at least a week for the German economy?

          You will not believe - in the same Germany at least reserves for 80 days.
          And what is a Mercedes for the USA? laughing
          Who plays the card - forgot?
      4. +1
        26 December 2014 17: 31
        Quote: iConst
        In Geyrop, energy resources are diversified - the same Saudis or ISIS will gladly take the place of Russia. Yes, Geyropa will face some inconvenience - but for a short time. And image and money losses will be catastrophic.

        For oil, yes, diversified, for gas - there is no real-time alternative.
        The trouble is that you won’t pour gas into an ordinary tanker, and you still need to build a fleet of gas carriers, plus liquefaction plants, a new pipeline infrastructure.
        Dengi, dengi and time again ...
        1. +1
          26 December 2014 18: 35
          Quote: Wheel
          For oil, yes, diversified, for gas - there is no real-time alternative.

          Here is what I found offhand:
          Let's look at the import structure in 2010. According to BP, from Russia, from its leading supplier, Germany received a little less than 35 billion cubic meters, from Norway - a little more than 30. The Netherlands comes in third with gas supplies to Germany with a volume of slightly less 25 billion cubic meters.
          http://www.energystate.ru/news/2987.html
          Provided that two alternative sources can increase supply by 20%, then, taking into account reserves, the limitation period begins already in the region of the year - you can still tighten the sources.

          Again, there will be inconvenience, some economic downturn - but not a collapse.
          1. 0
            26 December 2014 19: 44
            Quote: iConst
            Here is what I found offhand:
            Let's look at the import structure in 2010. According to BP, from Russia, from its leading supplier, Germany received a little less than 35 billion cubic meters, from Norway a little more than 30. The Netherlands comes in third with gas supplies to Germany, with a little less than 25 billion cubic meters. Http://www.energystate.ru/news/2987.html
            Provided that two alternative sources can increase supply by 20%, then, taking into account reserves, the limitation period begins already in the region of the year - you can still tighten the sources.

            You all digged right.
            The share of Russia in the structure of gas consumption by Germany is precisely that.
            And your reasoning would be quite true, if not for one small nuance. Neither the Netherlands nor Norway can increase gas production for one simple reason - deposits are depleted and in recent years the share of these countries in the structure of gas supplies has been steadily declining.
            Well, one more flaw in your reasoning: even a hypothetical increase in deliveries by 20% of the piano does not play, it is only 11 billion cubic meters, a third of Russia's supplies.
            As if, if you reduce the diet by 20%, then this will inevitably lead to weight loss.
            1. 0
              26 December 2014 21: 32
              Quote: Wheel
              Neither the Netherlands nor Norway can increase gas production for one simple reason - deposits are depleted and in recent years the share of these countries in the structure of gas supplies has been steadily declining.
              Well, one more flaw in your reasoning: even a hypothetical increase in deliveries by 20% of the piano does not play, it is only 11 billion cubic meters, a third of Russia's supplies.

              The main drawback of your "counter-argument" (it is not - these are your assumptions) - you have not read my post - again: subject to stocks, limitation period... Limitations! No more. In about a year, the Germans will turn out, I think - not fools.
    5. +4
      26 December 2014 12: 04
      Paul Craig sometimes says good things. Not later than yesterday in the press there was a message that the State Duma or the Federation Council made a proposal to FREEZE !!! PAYMENTS on external public debt of Russia for the period of 2015. AUU !!! Geyropa, did you read it there?
      1. +9
        26 December 2014 12: 34
        Here I add: "The Russian Federation is going to refuse to pay external debts to" aggressor countries "- states that have imposed financial and economic sanctions against it. The corresponding bill on amendments to the Civil Code has been submitted to the State Duma for consideration" 23.12.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX
        1. +1
          26 December 2014 22: 02
          Hmm, cool. This is an adult.
        2. 0
          27 December 2014 03: 02
          In fact, Craig encourages Putin to do the same "idiotic" thing as Oland: to lose good earnings and become an unreliable partner. It is foolish to make such a "divorce". But he is right about one thing: the collapse of NATO would be a very good goal.
          But there is a caveat: Punish NATO members? Then what about some members of NATO (Turkey, some Eastern European countries that are not participating in the sanctions)? Punish sanctioning countries? The ultimate goal is lost - NATO.
          Well, as they say, "we'll see."
      2. 0
        26 December 2014 22: 06
        Have you seen European faces? You go into the bus as if you were in a madhouse - the result of negative selection, when sick babies are nursed and survive to the detriment of healthy ones. And are you looking for understanding among these lovely people? Yes God is with you, dear ...
    6. +3
      26 December 2014 12: 31
      “If before that we did not have a clear military doctrine, and the status of NATO was not clearly defined, now, in the case of continued aggression towards Russia, we openly begin to regard the alliance as an adversary. Russia is determined and will not compromise with the USA and NATO ”

      Respect! It was time to say it good
      1. +2
        26 December 2014 14: 04
        Quote: GSH-18
        Respect! It was time to say it

        I agree that freezing loan payments can be a strong move.
        This is m. even as a rumor make a significant impact. Or maybe not.

        We only need to remember the same Mistrals, if we are going to demand a forfeit. Not so simple.
        1. 0
          26 December 2014 18: 59
          Quote: iConst
          We only need to remember the same Mistrals, if we are going to demand a forfeit. Not so simple.

          We do not need a forfeit, especially since the custodians stupidly do not have money, and they will not give us anything!
          We need OUR ships! Which is very necessary for our Navy.
          And do not pay attention to Rogozin's languidly dismissive tone, this is just a game.
          1. +2
            26 December 2014 20: 35
            Quote: GSH-18
            We need OUR ships! Which is very necessary for our Navy.
            And do not pay attention to Rogozin's languidly dismissive tone, this is just a game.

            Do you need them?
            Are you going to drive the Papuans?
          2. +1
            26 December 2014 22: 08
            And we need a one-stop precedent. Failure to issue Mistrals is a reason for non-fulfillment of contracts of any level. Do you understand this? Or is it difficult to think one step ahead?
    7. +1
      26 December 2014 14: 02
      Quote: Evgen4ik
      it's quite real crank


      Moreover, if the "swans" are realized, the West will have only one scenario - a "hot war". It is possible to narrow the "window" so much only on condition that "aunt NATA" will certainly be doomed to failure hot phase. Given the adequacy of the current elites, I doubt it. We do not yet have the opportunity to quickly crush the alliance. The losses will be enormous, even if the "eastern direction" is consolidated
      So the economic black swans are just another version of the nuclear bomb. KMK - the situation has not yet reached the stage - "so don't get to anyone! (C)"
      1. 0
        26 December 2014 19: 51
        Quote: fennekRUS
        Moreover, if the "swans" are realized, the West will have only one scenario - a "hot war". It is possible to narrow the "window" so much only on condition that "Aunt NATA" will certainly be doomed to failure of the hot phase.

        The European component of NATA in its hot form now looks a little untenable, as all recent local conflicts with its participation have shown.
        Quote: fennekRUS
        Given the adequacy of the current elites, I doubt it. We do not yet have the opportunity to quickly crush the alliance. The losses will be enormous, even if the "eastern direction" is consolidated
        So the economic black swans are just another version of the nuclear bomb. KMK - the situation has not yet reached the stage - "so don't get to anyone! (C)"

        Quote: fennekRUS
        Given the adequacy of the current elites, I doubt it. We do not yet have the opportunity to quickly crush the alliance. The losses will be enormous, even if the "eastern direction" is consolidated
        So the economic black swans are just another version of the nuclear bomb. KMK - the situation has not yet reached the stage - "so don't get to anyone! (C)"

        So, do you think that European gentlemen are prone to suicide?
        1. 0
          26 December 2014 22: 58
          Quote: Wheel
          So, do you think that European gentlemen are prone to suicide?

          Taki believe that these gentlemen do not quite adequately perceive reality. due to the strong pressure of the door jamb on testiculus
      2. +1
        26 December 2014 22: 11
        There is a question. The United States will not fight on its own in hot weather, they will force Europe to do this, not the first time. And they may not agree. What will it be for them? Victory certainly does not shine, and unacceptable losses are guaranteed. So can Europe send amers to hell? They won’t bring tanks into Berlin or Brussels will not throw missiles.
        So Europe has a choice to fight or not. And usually the lesser of 2 evils is chosen.
    8. Who
      +1
      26 December 2014 14: 04
      Russia has enough of its own money to make any decisions.
      1. 0
        26 December 2014 19: 45
        Quote: vem
        Russia has enough of its own money to make any decisions.

        In real life, Russia does not have its own money in principle.
        The ruble is tightly tied to the dollar and that’s it.
        It is regrettable, but so far it is an indisputable fact.
    9. +4
      26 December 2014 14: 24
      Europe will not receive "Black Swans", but "Black Peas ..." ...
    10. anomalocaris
      +4
      26 December 2014 14: 46
      Why does Yuan need leadership? It is enough that this is the only currency other than the dollar, the value of which is determined not by trading on the exchange.
    11. -3
      26 December 2014 15: 34
      It's not about China and not the yuan. NATO has an internal document that clearly states that Russia's refusal to supply gas to NATO countries is Russia's direct (military) aggression. And in this case, the alliance must attack Russia. Russia will never refuse to supply gas to NATO states only if NATO is the first to attack Russia.
      1. +2
        26 December 2014 15: 42
        Quote: Алексей_К
        NATO has an internal document that clearly states that Russia's refusal to supply gas to NATO countries is Russia's direct (military) aggression. And in this case, the alliance must attack Russia. Russia will never refuse to supply gas to NATO states only if NATO is the first to attack Russia.

        Can you give a link to the document?

        A formal attack on Russia has already taken place. In the same way, following the logic of the document voiced above, actions against the state’s economy are aggression / attack.

        So, everything is in order.
        1. 0
          26 December 2014 19: 08
          You can give a link to the document


          The latest resolution of the American Congress states that the cessation of gas supplies to Ukraine by Russia is a declaration of war.
          1. 0
            26 December 2014 19: 10
            Quote: kunstkammer
            The latest resolution of the American Congress states that the cessation of gas supplies to Ukraine by Russia is a declaration of war.

            That’s it, bastards! laughing
          2. 0
            27 December 2014 22: 05
            even without money?
      2. 0
        26 December 2014 19: 02
        What is your evidence? * voice of Schwarzenegger *
      3. 0
        27 December 2014 22: 04
        or confirm or crow
    12. for
      0
      26 December 2014 19: 11
      China will go for it.
      Supporting the Big Brother is in his mentality.
    13. Odinn
      0
      27 December 2014 15: 05
      On the topic of Putin’s independence and, in general, the future interview http://yarrus.com/grimnir
    14. 0
      27 December 2014 19: 41
      China has very large gold reserves, and US receipts of more than $ 1000000000000
      He can do a lot of things :))))))
      By the way, Russia has more gold than Germany (1.6 times)
      Here you have another option - the transition to the gold standard of Russia and China :)))
      Gold Americans will not be able to drop.
    15. 0
      27 December 2014 23: 27
      The yuan is weak, the ruble is weak ... But if you tie national currencies to energy, the picture changes somewhat! Do not find?
  2. +5
    26 December 2014 09: 39
    Russia may stop supplying energy to NATO states



    And block, if that laughing
    1. +3
      26 December 2014 09: 42
      Only after he finds other partners for the sale of energy. And not in the future, but in the present tense.
      1. 0
        26 December 2014 10: 56
        Quote: asadov
        Only after he finds other partners for the sale of energy. And not in the future, but in the present tense.


        Quite right, because, regrettably, our economy now depends on energy exports to a greater extent than we would like.
        Minus, what do you specifically disagree with?
        1. +3
          26 December 2014 11: 17
          I didn’t minus anyone, but I will give my opinion about the disagreement. The case is most likely that the mentioned NATO countries allow themselves to play by the rules, which they themselves invented and change them as soon as the game begins to go on an equal footing. Naturally, I want to put our partners in place as well. But in fact, the decision is very difficult
        2. +1
          26 December 2014 22: 16
          And look in open sources, what share of Russia's GDP / GNP is occupied by energy exports. You will be surprised - it is already far from so great as is commonly believed among the masses. This is a traditional stereotype, a delusion.
  3. FRIENDSHARK
    +9
    26 December 2014 09: 40
    Meanwhile in America.
    1. +13
      26 December 2014 09: 59
      Meanwhile, in Ukraine:
  4. +15
    26 December 2014 09: 42
    "Black Swans" - beautifully said! We also have "White Swans", but I really don't want it to come to their use! what
  5. +1
    26 December 2014 09: 47
    The idea to stop supplying energy is interesting and very tough. This could lead to a third world war. Even a small animal cornered rushes to the attack. And then the NATO countries. And Turkey is also in NATO, and some of Russia's allies are also in NATO
    1. +6
      26 December 2014 10: 07
      Turkey already understands that NATO is only slowing it down and in the coming years they will raise the issue of withdrawing from NATO.
      1. 0
        26 December 2014 19: 52
        Quote: b0bi
        Turkey already understands that NATO is only slowing it down and in the coming years they will raise the issue of withdrawing from NATO.

        But who will let her go?
    2. 0
      26 December 2014 10: 07
      Turkey already understands that NATO is only slowing it down and in the coming years they will raise the issue of withdrawing from NATO.
    3. +5
      26 December 2014 10: 18
      I think the link should not be made to NATO countries, but to countries that have imposed sanctions
    4. 0
      26 December 2014 10: 36
      Quote: Wend
      The idea to stop supplying energy is interesting and very tough

      Yes, it is especially interesting to the USA. They will immediately act as the savior of Europe with their LNG. Prices will finally allow. And no collapse of NATO, but only its unity, which is typical. For american tips.
      And if Russia refuses to pay its debts, this is a dream of Western propaganda. And then they introduced sanctions against Russia, but the Western inhabitant does not see the effect of them, except for the fall of the German economy and rotten Polish apples. And here is such an effect, sanctions are in effect, Russia is almost in a state of default. And the USA will again give loans to European banks. In general - eat fish and ... sit down - these are the thoughts of American economists.
      1. +4
        26 December 2014 11: 10
        In general, there is something to think about. Probably the Russian leadership is doing this. The main thing is not to harm Russia.
      2. +4
        26 December 2014 11: 13
        That's just before the start of supplies, it is necessary to establish the entire infrastructure for transportation. In the USA this is not yet. And to create a couple of years. During this time, Europe will slide into full Mordor.
        therefore, such a method of drowning Europe is possible only now. When the United States builds everything necessary, then yes, it can take Europe into complete slavery.
        1. +1
          26 December 2014 17: 19
          Do you seriously think that Americans will invest in infrastructure without a market? In the meantime, we are driving gas through the pipeline to Europe and now slowly to Asia, with American LNG the chances are close to zero.
  6. +1
    26 December 2014 09: 49
    When there is a sufficient number of energy buyers in the Asia-Pacific region, it will be possible to cut off the gas to hostile vassals from the EU. They will say - then "White Swans" can be sent wink
  7. +14
    26 December 2014 09: 50
    The view is somewhat one-sided. The West has far from lost all its teeth, and it will find black hawks on black swans. Putin is not so stupid as to solve complex issues with a cavalry charge. And the destruction of the existing financial system is far from one-sided. It will go to everyone. So we will take a detached view of the development of events and not prevent the president from acting as he sees fit. He has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to turn an apparent loss into a victory.
    1. +8
      26 December 2014 10: 04
      Failure to pay debts on time will definitely drop Russia's reputation in the international arena, and then the ruble. This is a very dangerous step.
      Overlapping oxygen with oil will be painful for Europe for some time, but not fatal. There are many who want to fill the vacuum, however, at a higher price. So NATO tankers will have to temporarily transfer to bicycles to save fuel in peacetime.
      It is much more efficient to get everyone to pay for Russian goods with Russian rubles. It is much stronger bindings.
      1. +5
        26 December 2014 10: 17
        And why is it possible for them, the actual refusal of France from forfeits on the Mistrals, but we can not?
        1. 0
          26 December 2014 10: 29
          In fact, claims have not yet been filed, after the New Year we’ll see
        2. 0
          26 December 2014 19: 54
          Quote: muginov2015
          And why is it possible for them, the actual refusal of France from forfeits on the Mistrals, but we can not?

          Because we are the "most likely enemy" for them, and they are "partners" for us. laughing
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  8. +4
    26 December 2014 09: 50
    It would be nice, in order not to use the "White Swans", to launch the "Black Swans". The article is positive.
    The options are quite real, they can be kept in a stash as an "adequate" and very sobering answer.
  9. -5
    26 December 2014 09: 52
    cannot stop the Russian Federation supplying energy to the west, at least for technological reasons
    1. +1
      26 December 2014 19: 56
      Quote: saag
      cannot stop the Russian Federation supplying energy to the west, at least for technological reasons

      And what are these "technological reasons"?
      Have Atalef and the Professor heard enough?
      So their competence in this matter is close to zero from the negative end.
      1. 0
        27 December 2014 08: 26
        Quote: Wheel
        And what are these "technological reasons"?

        The share of extracted gas and oil is excessive for its domestic market, there is no gas pipeline to China, there is not enough capacity for transporting oil, where to put these excess oil and gas? I must say right away that there is no such amount of processing capacity and the storage capacity is limited, what are your suggestions?
        1. +1
          27 December 2014 11: 06
          Finally, begin to gasify their internal regions of the country.
          1. 0
            27 December 2014 11: 57
            Quote: user3970
            Finally, begin to gasify their internal regions of the country.

            It is possible, but again, the volumes for this are excessive, and yet the cost of infrastructure, given the refusal of supplies to the west, is the lack of money for this development
          2. 0
            27 December 2014 22: 10
            would put 10 pluses
  10. +6
    26 December 2014 09: 54
    And if so, we changed our minds about paying off part of our debts, which should be paid off at the beginning of 2015. We will not pay, that's all.

    It was necessary to do this immediately after the first Minsk meeting, when they introduced the next package. The reason is simple - we ourselves need the money now, and you will wait! Disable gas after sanctions against Crimea. To fight, to fight like that, and not to play gentlemen before any tear.
  11. +7
    26 December 2014 09: 55
    If everything is true in the article, then you don’t have to wait for what’s unknown, demonstrating friendliness and willingness to dialogue to the whole Western world, which he will never understand and appreciate, but shut off the gas and oil valve by showing them simultaneously a large cookie instead of loan debts. With GOATS not remembering, it is necessary to do just that!
  12. +1
    26 December 2014 09: 56
    as supplied earlier, it will continue to supply. Apparently, in the event of overt aggression and war, then it will cease. And so why should we refuse foreign exchange earnings, and considerable?
  13. 0
    26 December 2014 09: 57
    and there is also a black dolphin.
  14. +4
    26 December 2014 10: 01
    The purpose of such articles in the West is to cool the "hot heads" of presumptuous politicians.
    1. 0
      26 December 2014 16: 06
      Sergey agrees with you !!! But the question is: will these articles cool the heads of presumptuous Western politicians? God grant that they would hear and understand these articles!
  15. 0
    26 December 2014 10: 04
    It's time to teach these homosexual nations a har-rrosh lesson!
  16. pahom54
    +1
    26 December 2014 10: 04
    "This is how many black swans Russia can issue. All the cards are in Putin's hands, says the American economist" ...

    It is not so easy to release these "black swans" ... Here you need not only Putin's political desire, but also a balanced, analytical approach ...

    Although the first option, with bank debt, I liked ...
  17. 0
    26 December 2014 10: 05
    Paul Craig Roberts: Russia may stop supplying energy to NATO nations..I think it will not come to this, but as an option ...
  18. -7
    26 December 2014 10: 07
    Crazy article
    1. +1
      26 December 2014 16: 11
      No, Balaganov, the article is not delusional but thought-provoking. And yet, I would like for such articles to be more printed and voiced in Western media and TV.
  19. +1
    26 December 2014 10: 09
    Quote: parusnik
    I think it will not come to this, but as an option ...

    All this current mess is an attempt to redistribute the energy market, in America they will only be glad about the refusal of the Russian Federation to supply energy, hurray patriots will be infinitely happy until the handle of these rakes meets their foreheads, this is achieved by playing on such feelings
    1. 0
      26 December 2014 10: 22
      I don’t support the refusal to supply energy, but "postponing the payment of debts a little" is YES! And the ratings have already been downgraded to "junk". This will greatly upset "our Partners"! laughing
    2. +1
      26 December 2014 20: 08
      Quote: saag
      All this current mess is an attempt to redistribute the energy market

      Without a doubt. hi
      Quote: saag
      in America they will only be glad about the refusal of the Russian Federation to supply energy,
      Naturally.
      Killing competitors with the wrong hands is worth a lot. laughing
      Quote: saag
      cheers patriots will be infinitely happy

      It’s hard to attribute me to the patriots, but I’m happy too. fellow
      Quote: saag
      until the handle of these rakes meets their foreheads, this is what they achieve by playing on such feelings

      For all my pessimism, all the same, I do not consider it a rake.
      The share of proceeds from the gas trade with Europe is not very large to hammer on the forehead.
      1. 0
        27 December 2014 08: 28
        Quote: Wheel
        The share of proceeds from the gas trade with Europe is not very large to hammer on the forehead.

        Then tell me that this is how Putin is breaking through gas pipeline projects - Turkey, China, India, if their share is insignificant in the budget?
  20. 0
    26 December 2014 10: 11
    Quote: asadov
    Only after he finds other partners for the sale of energy. And not in the future, but in the present tense.


    that's it.
    it can be blocked ... just then? to pay pensions will have to triple taxes for small businesses ... drove the rest of the business in black cash?

    then Russia will bloom for sure ...

    but if you learn to make high-tech final products out of oil and gas and trade them - this is already a completely different topic.

    But recently I heard on TV that six months of anti-sanctions have passed, the supply of many vegetables and fruits from Europe is closed ... and where is the mass construction of hotbeds in Russia? NO. and one mug said - that if in a year the growth of greenhouses is 3-5% - it will be a success.

    with such monsters in power, SUCCESS will not be.
    1. -4
      26 December 2014 10: 17
      Quote: Redactor
      but if you learn to make high-tech final products out of oil and gas and trade them - this is already a completely different topic.

      And who will buy it, after the violation of the Russian Federation of its agreements? And with what means to build plants with such a depth of processing as say in Finland? Where can we get this technology if American catalysts are used at current refineries?
      1. +4
        26 December 2014 10: 23
        And who will buy it, after the violation of the Russian Federation of its agreements?

        Have many agreements been followed by the US and the EU? They spit on them when it suits them. And when they concern Russia, so here Obama himself ordered ... And how, tell me to deal with such things?
        1. -1
          26 December 2014 10: 26
          Quote: Wedmak
          And how, tell me to do business with such things?

          And how one capitalism with another capitalism can do business, the USSR could afford it a little differently, but these were two different systems. with two different ideologies
          1. +4
            26 December 2014 10: 47
            And how can one capitalism with another capitalism conduct business

            Capitalism is a social system. But in any social system, if agreements are not fulfilled for the sake of someone, or having concluded an agreement, then they still require something to fulfill this agreement (not inscribed in the text), then this counterparty is punished. Fine, imprisonment or something else.
            Now, for the sake of politics, France, as the contractor, refused to transfer the constructed ships to the customer, Russia. The reasons are the most absurd, not related to the content of the contract and, moreover, not related to the current situation. That is, simply, Washington wanted the ships not to be handed over; Forance took a canopy. What does it mean? And what will happen next? Now the ships, and then they will demand to supply them with free oil and gas, only because Uncle Sam requires it?
            1. +2
              26 December 2014 11: 01
              Quote: Wedmak
              What does it mean? And what will happen next?

              But this should be understood as a confrontation of one against the other within the framework of one social system, stronger financially versus weaker, then the Russian Federation will try to return the money, but the regional committee will say not to return
      2. 0
        26 December 2014 13: 07
        Quote: saag
        And who will buy it, after the violation of the Russian Federation of its agreements?


        And what agreements did the Russian Federation violate in this case?


        Quote: saag
        And with what means to build plants with such a depth of processing as say in Finland?


        Here, in a good way, our beloved (state) banks should come to the rescue, which would lend to the manufacturer at a decent rate, and not under the one that is now. Or, as literally just done by Rosneft: the issue of cash for the issue of shares of the enterprise.

        Quote: saag
        Where can we get this technology if American catalysts are used at current refineries?


        But with this really oops. Only raise your scientists, engineers and competent workers. The task is not one year, or even decades, but it is solvable.
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    3. 0
      26 December 2014 10: 20
      and where is the mass construction of greenhouses


      I’m afraid we can’t afford the greenhouse cucumbers at 400 re per kg. At their cost.
      1. zzz
        zzz
        0
        26 December 2014 13: 12
        Quote: muginov2015
        and where is the mass construction of greenhouses


        I’m afraid we can’t afford the greenhouse cucumbers at 400 re per kg. At their cost.


        Where did you get the idea? All last winter they sold tomatoes and cucumbers in Olivier stores from Karachay-Cherkessia, which are 10 rubles more expensive than Turkish ones, but ours are tastier! And greenhouses were built there as well, Medvedev went to receive them.
        1. 0
          26 December 2014 13: 30
          Karachay-Cherkessia tomatoes and cucumbers, 10p more expensive than Turkish, but ours are tastier! And the greenhouses there were built worse, Medvedev went to take.

          So after all, they will not feed the whole country. And in winter, these are the prices.
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        3. 0
          26 December 2014 13: 38
          Quote: zzz
          All last winter, tomatoes and cucumbers were sold in Olivier stores from Karachay-Cherkessia, which are 10 rubles more expensive than Turkish ones, but ours are tastier!

          And why is it still more expensive? Indeed, Turkey still needs to be brought in, there are more intermediaries. This is a very important issue.
          1. zzz
            zzz
            0
            26 December 2014 13: 51
            Quote: iConst
            And why is it still more expensive? Indeed, Turkey still needs to be brought in, there are more intermediaries. This is a very important issue.


            They are tastier, they are taken more, and therefore prices may be more expensive. And they were only on the market for the first year.
            1. 0
              26 December 2014 13: 57
              Quote: zzz
              They are tastier, they are taken more, and therefore prices may be more expensive. And they were only on the market for the first year.

              A. Well, yes. Why sell cheaper when they buy it anyway.

              But still unpatriotic.
  21. +1
    26 December 2014 10: 15
    Quote: Wend
    The idea to stop supplying energy is interesting and very tough. This could lead to a third world war. Even a small animal cornered rushes to the attack. And then the NATO countries. And Turkey is also in NATO, and some of Russia's allies are also in NATO


    But at stake is almost the entire ransom, it's time to act! Enough fawning, you have to think about your country, and not about "hunted animals". Glory to Russia !!!
  22. +3
    26 December 2014 10: 18
    Quote: Stinger
    And if so, we changed our minds about paying off part of our debts, which should be paid off at the beginning of 2015. We will not pay, that's all.

    It was necessary to do this immediately after the first Minsk meeting, when they introduced the next package. The reason is simple - we ourselves need the money now, and you will wait! Disable gas after sanctions against Crimea. To fight, to fight like that, and not to play gentlemen before any tear.


    I completely agree !!!
  23. +2
    26 December 2014 10: 20
    The script is of course fantastic. We need to start selling gas for rubles ... or in half with euro rubles. Worse than now, our economy will probably no longer be!
    1. 0
      26 December 2014 10: 28
      Quote: Shmel-pchel
      Worse than now, our economy will probably no longer be!

      It may become, for example, in 1998 the country did not have any currency reserves,
  24. -1
    26 December 2014 10: 27
    Lord. what stupidity this dude is talking about. What "black swans" are there, what is he talking about. If Russia even gives a hint about "non-payment of debts" it will be disconnected from the SWIFT system tomorrow and the "fur animal" of all our trade will come. If Russia turns off the valve to the "west", then tomorrow the entire domestic budget will collapse without an influx of foreign currency with all the ensuing consequences ...
    1. 0
      26 December 2014 10: 30
      Moreover, gas is not water in which the valve is shut off and that's it!
      1. 0
        26 December 2014 20: 14
        Quote: AstanaKZ
        Moreover, gas is not water in which the valve is shut off and that's it!

        Not much harder than water.
        This is for information.
        I would like to remind the forgetful ones that the precedent for shutting off the tap was already during the first "gas wars" with the outskirts.
    2. +3
      26 December 2014 11: 03
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      will be disconnected from the SWIFT system and a "fur animal" will come to all our trade

      No, it won’t come; swift is not the only system
    3. +1
      26 December 2014 12: 53
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Lord. what stupidity this dude is talking about. What "black swans" are there, what is he talking about. If Russia even gives a hint about "non-payment of debts" it will be disconnected from the SWIFT system tomorrow and the "fur animal" of all our trade will come. If Russia turns off the valve to the "west", then tomorrow the entire domestic budget will collapse without an influx of foreign currency with all the ensuing consequences ...


      Well, firstly, SWIFT is not the only system,
      secondly, the influx of foreign currency is now sharply covered up (you don’t give loans then), but we will not be able to pay for these loans already taken. Type we can’t.
      Thirdly, if the Russian Federation closes the valve, the big question is what will collapse before: the internal budget of Russia, or the personal welfare of the current oligarchs, coupled with the governments of the EU countries.
    4. 0
      27 December 2014 22: 22
      Well, of course, the fat monster is smarter than Craig, by itself. Will they turn off the swift? Will they bring euro for cars here for energy? Well, lastly, follow the news, the Central Bank invited banks to test the analogue of the swift http://www.profile.ru/rossiya/item/86649-tsb-protestiroval-rossijskij-analog-swi
      ft
      1. -1
        27 December 2014 23: 26
        Remember in one Soviet film, one little guy gave a girl an empty wrapper wrapped like candy. Dal and laughs at the disappointment of the girl who unrolled an empty candy wrapper. The girl looked at the laughing uncle and seriously asked him: "Uncle, are you D.U.R.A.K?" The same applies to you, dear. After all, it is clearly said - the so-called "internal payment system" can be shoved up the ass in a way that it will not help the external transfer of money without which all our foreign trade activities "will be covered with a copper basin" is a purely internal system which, I will tell you, a secret "and fuck it is not needed, because inside the country you can transfer money in many ways, including banal transportation by couriers, and everything else is decided by" good old "cash .. By the way, cash turnover is much preferable because it really reflects the presence of money in the country and does not allow commercial banks "generate" virtual money, which is why bankers are trying so hard to get away from cash and lobby only for its electronic equivalent, but this is a separate topic for another discussion. But how are you going to make payments abroad without SWIFT? With the "good old" teletype, how do our so-called "experts" and "experts" broadcast? Oh well. Do you actually know what SWIFT is and how it differs from TTY transfers?
  25. Tribuns
    +1
    26 December 2014 10: 31
    A populist article ... The share of Russia's energy resources in the world is about 8% ... Leaving our country from the western market can fill Iran with energy, if sanctions are lifted from it ... Norway has reserves with its offshore platforms ... America, which, in addition to oceanic platforms, has shale gas, including in the form of liquefied natural gas ... Iraq lacks energy resources due to the war ... Therefore, commodity energy supplying countries do not want to leave the world sphere of raw materials supply, because the vacant niche will instantly busy with competitors ...
    Therefore, one should not be deceived in the power of energy blackmail and bring confusion into naive souls ...
    1. +1
      26 December 2014 20: 21
      Quote: TribunS
      The share of Russia's energy resources in the world is about 8% ...

      Right.
      Quote: TribunS
      The departure of our country from the Western market can fill Iran itself with energy if sanctions restrictions are lifted ...
      Time, infrastructure, money.
      Quote: TribunS
      Norway has its reserves with its offshore platforms ...
      Norway has no reserves.
      Quote: TribunS
      The same America, which in addition to ocean platforms has shale gas, including in the form of liquefied natural gas ...

      Time, infrastructure, money ...
      Quote: TribunS
      Therefore, the resource-supplying countries of raw materials do not want to leave the global sphere of supply of raw materials, because the liberating niche will be instantly occupied by competitors ...

      Well, what about in an instant you are bent.
      If oil can still be agreed, then gas is much more complicated.
      Quote: TribunS
      Therefore, one should not be deceived in the power of energy blackmail and bring confusion into naive souls ...

      Blackmail is a good thing, if at the right time and in the right place.
  26. 0
    26 December 2014 10: 54
    Quote: saag
    What is the third world, America in this case will applaud standing up to this decision, and for the Russian Federation it will be fined, falling incomes, reputational losses, and nothing good further


    1. America applaud - yes, true first. Then she will not be laughing.
    2. Penalties - why would it? Failure to fulfill a contract is a response to sanctions. Get, gentlemen, for what they fought for - and ran into it.
    3. Falling income - yes. Therefore, now such a move is possible as an extreme case and a complete break with the EU. They will not go for it just BEFORE the formation of the "eastern" market.
    4. The same can be said about "reputational losses". And why should the United States leave an extra ally.
    1. 0
      26 December 2014 11: 13
      Quote: mamont5
      Penalties - why would it?

      Since it’s written in the contract this time, and two international treaties always under the Constitution of the Russian Federation take precedence over local legislation, so there’s a double violation
      Quote: mamont5
      Then she will not be laughing.

      Why did it happen?
  27. 0
    26 December 2014 10: 56
    Quote: b0bi
    Very, very great danger of the beginning of World War 3 in this case

    the beginning of the war is by default the gas is turned off and other buns will also remain at home. and who needs it, you can not even guess. just before we didn’t get there, but now, I hope that in the case of X, the first order will be to press the button, so that the "dumb" ones grow wiser. who will stay.
  28. 0
    26 December 2014 11: 24
    The launch of "black" swans requires the political will of those who are now called the elite of Russia. This is not only not expected, but on the contrary, there are all the prerequisites for the next drain. As always, someone wins, and this time behind his back they gave up everything a long time ago .... Russia does not know how to use the results of its victories.
  29. +1
    26 December 2014 11: 46
    Third world? The question is, are they ready to die ??? It’s not the Arabs who fly planes! It is clear in theory that you can sit out at corners and bunkers, but strikes will primarily be made at control and influence centers, and this is the loss of everything, including prospects. Then the loot will need loot? consider the prospect as an opportunity for survival !!! No yachts, no comfort, etc., but is it necessary? them first?
  30. +1
    26 December 2014 12: 32
    Quote: b0bi
    Block gas to Europe? Very, very great danger of the beginning of the 3rd World War in this case. But on the other hand, we did warn.

    Yes, she has been walking for a long time. The first round - the collapse of the USSR, we lost. It's time to recoup!
  31. +3
    26 December 2014 12: 39
    The citizen is either stupid or naive. He proceeds from the premise that our "elite" capable of bringing down the economy of Europe with just a couple of statements is ours. And "our elite" is more likely to be European, and if something destroys it, it is Russia. They have residence permits and second citizenship there, of course, if there is no Israeli. Families, children, grandchildren, villas, castles, money, everything is there. They even conduct business in Russia through all kinds of Cyprus pads. If there is even a hint of serious problems in Europe, they will immediately, without hesitation, rob Russia and send all possible assistance to their real homeland. This is the main clue to various cunning plans, and why the leadership of Russia, having absolutely all the trump cards in its hands, repeatedly plays give-away so diligently, demonstrates its powerlessness, and persistently merges the position of Russia from the most advantageous positions.
  32. 0
    26 December 2014 12: 58
    It's funny Where is this fatal response from Russia? I want to see or hear him! )
    We may hear, but not from the current rulers!
    In any case, you have to look for allies. Normal, sane and strong. Only China is visible!
    But this is still a problem.
    Empty chatter while all this!
  33. calocha
    +3
    26 December 2014 13: 00
    Europe needs to indicate its place, otherwise it lifted its nose very high!
  34. Quantum
    +1
    26 December 2014 13: 02
    You can scare the EU with gas by hinting that the Ukrainian pipeline is faulty and
    supply restrictions are possible. Under the conditions of sanctions, blackmail is quite real.
    However, Gazprom and the Kremlin will not do this.
  35. Sendi7s
    0
    26 December 2014 13: 21
    Yes, that’s all nonsense. Russia will trade with both the west and the east. And he will never put ultimatums to anyone, but will seek compromises, negotiate, convince.
  36. +1
    26 December 2014 13: 57
    The main thing is not to let out "white swans"
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  37. +1
    26 December 2014 15: 13
    Yes, Europe does not particularly hope for expensive liquefied gas from the United States, or gas from Iran, which is under sanctions and hostile to them. Their main "hope" is Israel on the shelf of which colossal reserves of oil and gas have been found.
    And it is this country that will inevitably (if we do not take any measures) will replace Russia in the hydrocarbon market in Europe. The pipeline from Israel under the Mediterranean Sea to Greece will be much safer than the current ones from Russia. And Israel itself is more convenient for them. "a partner than our country.
    Israel knows how to rid Europe of Russian gas
    1. KZakVO
      0
      27 December 2014 17: 57
      If so, then long ago pipes would be pulled at an accelerated pace
  38. 0
    26 December 2014 15: 21
    I do not understand why replicate the statements of the cited so-called. "analysts" who, most likely, appeared on the Internet, hoping to be known as "original", i.e. so that their "creations" are read and the authors themselves remembered. Their opuses are insignificant and not even worth the effort to refute them. It was especially funny to read their statements about NATO. in the case of continued aggression towards Russia, we openly begin to regard the alliance as an adversary. Russia is determined and will not compromise with the USA and NATO". Well, will she be determined, and what will blow her cheeks even more? NATO did what it wanted, really. more careful than now, even in the era of the USSR. And now - we have no leverage over NATO.
  39. 0
    26 December 2014 15: 51
    US wants EU and Russia to strangle each other
  40. +2
    26 December 2014 16: 20
    the main thing is not to get to the "black tulips".
  41. +2
    26 December 2014 16: 21
    Quote: Midshipman
    What does it mean difficult? Was there a contract? Pay the penalty. Any arbitration court will take the side of Russia. This is a fundamental principle of doing business. France’s rejection of it puts an end to it as a trading partner.

    I beg of you. By the time the lawsuits pass, it will be possible to wipe the dollar already.
  42. 0
    26 December 2014 16: 36
    If it can, then this must be done immediately, because oil is a strategic raw material.
  43. +1
    26 December 2014 17: 19
    Yes, let the Westerners laugh and clap their hands. Laughs the one who laughs last! And let RUSSIA do its job DIMENSIONALLY and PURPOSE !!! The United States understands perfectly well that in the event of a thermonuclear war, there will be no USA as a state, but part of RUSSIA will remain, because it is not possible to destroy a territory like EURASIA. Although my opinion in the ATOMIC conflict can be destroyed, the land of mother herself.
  44. lucidlook
    +1
    26 December 2014 19: 20
    And if so, we changed our minds about paying off part of our debts, which should be paid off at the beginning of 2015. We will not pay, that's all.

    "Default, how much in this sound ..."

    I dare to assume that this is exactly what many (if not all) large banks of the West are counting on. It is such a force majeure that they are vital right now. It’s better, of course, to have a local war, but it’s alright. Indeed, it is precisely under this very default that it will be possible to summarize the rejection of one's own financial obligations (which are not actually secured by anything), and spreading their hands, declare:

    “Well, you see how Russia behaved!” We trusted her, invested money in state and near-state enterprises and securities, and then suddenly (!) Defaulted. The financial risks of these investments were initially minimal, but now they suddenly (!) Have become maximum. And if so, then in connection with this force majeure, we relieve ourselves of responsibility to creditors.

    If this does not happen in the coming year, Europe and the United States will face another round of financial crisis caused by the lack of assets of all those loans that banks (and banks) have already issued and will still give in order to maintain liquidity.
    1. 0
      26 December 2014 19: 30
      Quote: lucidlook
      under this very default, it will be possible to summarize the rejection of one's own (virtually unsecured) financial obligations

      First: this is not default, but dynamo. Default is the inability to pay. Generally.
      And secondly - what are the obligations of banks? You are confused with US Treasury bonds. Or do you mean bills - certificates of deposit?
      1. lucidlook
        0
        26 December 2014 22: 50
        Quote: iConst
        First: this is not default, but dynamo.

        Of course, I am still a "financier", but I have never heard of such a term as "dynamo" in banking before. Usually, the refusal to pay the obligation is called "default". IMHO.

        Quote: iConst
        And secondly - what are the obligations of banks?

        All those obligations to (very) large investors, which describe at what interest and in accordance with what risks banks have invested their money. Given that this kind of investment is not only necessary directly, but through a certain number of financial intermediary institutions (each with its own rating), it is reliable to find out exactly where the money is spinning, in which enterprise, in the territory of which state it is sometimes difficult.

        I do not know if you talked with bankers on such topics, I talked. They usually say something like this:

        - We can invest your money in business in Switzerland at 3% per annum. There are no risks, but profit is only just covering inflation. And we can - to Russia. The risks, of course, are higher, but the profit is 20%! We can insure you against loss as a result of risks for such a certain amount of interest.

        But the agreement says in small print that the insured event does not occur if force majeure occurs. Are you daring? wink
  45. 0
    26 December 2014 22: 37
    Stop may not be worth it.
    But the payment in rubles at the current rate and delivery only to the border, or even offer pickup from the field.
    You can turn over right in the barrels! )))
  46. Asan Ata
    +3
    26 December 2014 23: 41
    I believe that Russia has many trump cards. Some of them are the work of the Foreign Intelligence Service, and some are the work of the Government and the Duma. For example, the decision to sell resources for rubles will drive Europe crazy and put the ruble in its rightful place.
  47. 0
    27 December 2014 02: 52
    You can also tell the Europeans that due to shifts in the earth's crust in the area of ​​the Urengoyskoye field, our gas has disappeared, and the remaining gas is enough only for the Chinese. Believe it for sure! What will begin then ... You can still close all the banks that took out loans in the West. And how V.I. Lenin in 1918 said: "To whom they gave money, ask from those."
    By the way, Mr. Roberts was an adviser to President Reagan, and it’s not clear why he became a “friend” of Russia. A person just thinks sensibly, despite his age. Honor and praise to him.
  48. 0
    27 December 2014 09: 57
    It is quite logical. But first, turn up the price so that they screamed. "Who does not freeze - s".
    1. 0
      28 December 2014 10: 01
      Europeans - consumers (finished) pay about 1 euro per cubic meter of gas .. something like this ...
  49. +3
    27 December 2014 10: 55
    If you do something, then immediately in three directions.
    1. and the loudest one - to abandon $$$$ together with the Chinas ... Maidans will be the next morning both here and there.
    2. And the best part is the unexpectedly sharp difficulties in fuel supplies to the EU - and any number of meetings / conferences / prepayments / summits /
    regulations / on which the EU will be threatened first, then swear, then beg, BUT HEARING THEM IS NOT RECOMMENDED.
    3. And most importantly - continuous successful launches / exercises / decisions / implementation /

    And auditory warfare must be introduced (gossip about what the USA and EU are).
  50. Fierce Dill
    -1
    27 December 2014 11: 04
    Like that)) and China already loves you))
    1. +2
      27 December 2014 22: 33
      Farted? Well go now warm Khazar fork
  51. LMaksim
    0
    27 December 2014 11: 18
    Quote: fennekRUS
    Do you know where to push your "herr"! I have 3 small ones, and your "herr" will not be on the monitor at all. The difference between global wars and point conflicts is precisely in the disproportionately large destruction of the "peace man"
    py sy - sorry for the harshness

    Do not swear. The commentator clearly meant a sanctions war against us from the West. Nobody wants war.
  52. 0
    27 December 2014 11: 27
    If you continue to do so! Let's turn off the gas!
  53. Ivan 63
    0
    27 December 2014 14: 24
    "Someone is really asking for black swans!" - they will definitely wait, and perhaps for whites.
  54. 0
    27 December 2014 15: 08
    A feature of the current moment is the complete destruction of the entire complex of legal relations in the world. The Anglo-Saxons, relying on the US army and press, the agents and press of Britain, the funds and press of Zion (in its global meaning, and not just in the meaning of the “state of Israel”), can now fearlessly and without receiving reputational damage refuse ANY payments, including on the obligations of the US Federal Reserve to China, and use provocation of ANY level. The system was tested at Boeing in Donetsk and at Mistral. Checking the work of the NEW WORLD ORDER according to David Rockefeller: “...Now we only need a well-planned crisis, and the people will accept the new world order... (i.e. Rockefeller and the Fed can be forgiven to everyone he owes, without fear that The Chinese and Russians will slaughter all the clans of the Rockefellers, Saxons, and Goldmans).
  55. 0
    27 December 2014 15: 47
    Quote: Fierce Dill
    Like that)) and China already loves you))


    I can’t argue with you, but as they say, whose cow would moo)))
    whose would be silent))) and yours wouldn’t even try))),
    Is it in vain that “Fierce Dill” made you fall out of love with the EU and Statistics))).
  56. Leonidych
    0
    27 December 2014 15: 54
    It is high time....
  57. 0
    27 December 2014 17: 11
    In the United States, great interest in newspapers has grown; American analysts talk about increased public interest in world events....
    To which society simply asked - where did the toilet paper go?
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  59. 0
    28 December 2014 02: 27
    Yes, the article is correct. I did it anyway. And all of Europe crawled to Russia on its knees with an outstretched hand.
  60. +1
    28 December 2014 10: 03
    For adequate awareness and then making such decisions (see article), you must have Reason! There are no real politicians in the West; who makes decisions, I personally don’t understand, the collective unconscious?

    Then who to talk to and how? only through instincts: hunger, cold, fear.
  61. lg41
    0
    28 December 2014 16: 01
    "... the Russian government, for example, can say: the attack on the ruble is political; you, American guys, are attacking our ruble, which is creating quite a lot of trouble for us. And if so, we have changed our minds about paying off part of our debts that need to be paid off at the beginning of 2015. We won’t pay, that’s all.”
    Can anyone announce the amount of Russia's foreign debts and the amount of US debts purchased by Russia in the form of securities?
  62. -1
    28 December 2014 17: 38
    This is after Russia supplies gas and coal to Ukraine “for nothing”, they will cut off supplies to the West???? Yes, they will screw us all up and betray us once again, as is being done now. What is happening now Otherwise, no one will ask you about anything other than calling you a betrayal, whether you are for, against, or not at all. The Ukrainians are laughing and rejoicing at how they once again screwed Russia, for which I congratulate us all. Oh... but consistent government policy
  63. 0
    28 December 2014 20: 10
    How reasonable everything is, how clear everything is.
    It remains to calculate how much we will lose from cutting off the gas supply, since we are not yet able to redirect our flows to the east. But I don't think it's fatal. Deadly for all those countries that dream of the demise of our country!
  64. Russkiy53
    0
    28 December 2014 21: 38
    the expert knows everything :)))...except for what the intelligence officer knows - the government, as always, messed up and then betrayed its people.
    payments for exports are in dollars, refusal to nationalize the central bank, refusal (de facto) of the fight against inflation... The President, even if he wants, is apparently powerless against them... there is no one to rely on: law enforcement officers too- rotting slowly...or not slowly:(.
  65. 0
    29 December 2014 01: 35
    Quote: Dormidont
    I think that despite all the correctness of our demands for helicopter carriers, it will be very difficult to force France to pay.

    Can be assigned to the same ACCOUNT/list.
    ************************************************** *********
    The money for Alaska (7 billion greenbacks) has not yet been returned. Norway stole 1 tons of gold coins during World War I, where they still lie.
    In 1914, Russian gold bars worth $50 billion were transferred to British banks. Nicholas II planned to use them to pay for the supply of military equipment and weapons. None of them were completed. It turned out that British factories were simply not able to fulfill such a large order. But the gold was not returned. There is no time for war, you see. And in 17, there seemed to be no one...
    From December 1915 to November 1916, Russia supplied gold to the US for $ 23 billion as a prepayment for weapons and gunpowder. The United States government spent money on its own military needs. Russia received neither money nor weapons.

    Realizing that England and the United States had stolen the money, the Russian government, hoping to obtain weapons, credited the equivalent of 1916 tons of gold to Japanese banks' foreign currency accounts in 300. The transfer is confirmed today by the successors of the then Japanese banks. But they are not going to give either weapons or money.

    In February 1917, the provisional government of Russia sent 3,7 tons of gold to Sweden for the purchase of military equipment, now it is $ 45 million. Back in 1928, confirmation was received that gold was in the vaults of Swedish banks. Russia has not received a single rifle, not a single cartridge from Sweden as a result of this gold.

    At the end of 1919, the 100 tons of gold seized by Admiral Kolchak from the Kazan bank vault were deposited with the Czechoslovak Corps on condition of returning to the Russian government. Gold trail was lost in Prague banks in 1925.

    In 1922, Lenin sent 93,5 tons of gold to Germany, which turned out to be a "trophy" in the "Bank de France" in Paris. In 1963, the status of this gold was confirmed by an agreement at the level of the governments of the USSR and France. The Russian side agreed to give 45 tons to pay off old Russian debts in favor of France. And 48,5 tons of gold have not yet been returned to us.

    The National Bank of France also holds $ 25 billion worth of Russian gold bullion transferred in 1914.

    According to the estimates of the British firm Pinkerton, Russia is currently entitled to claim its gold with a total value of $ 100 billion, as well as real estate with a total value of $ 300 billion.