Source: 160 generals and officers refused to move from Moscow

By the end of 2011, more than 160 generals and senior officers of the main directorates of the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense will be dismissed early from the Russian Armed Forces because of the refusal to move from Moscow to new duty stations, a source in the Russian military said on Friday.

“Based on the order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation No. 205, until December 1 of the current year, a planned rotation of generals and officers to new duty stations, including remote regions of the country, is carried out in the central military administration bodies. Over 160, the generals and senior officers of the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense refused to transfer from the capital to other regions and wrote reports about the dismissal from the army ahead of time, ”a source told Interfax.

# {weapon} According to him, the current rotation concerns officers and generals who served for at least three years in military positions. “In fact, the entire summer at the Ministry of Defense was an intensive interview with candidates for rotation, and if the officer did not agree to depart from Moscow to other regions of the country, the question was raised about his dismissal from the army, which was then approved by the Central Attestation Commission,” he clarified.

He did not rule out that under the guise of rotation in the General Staff, they also get rid of those generals and officers who do not agree with the ongoing reforms in the army, navyare critical of the leadership of the military department.

"In accordance with the order of the minister, those generals and officers who end the contract this year, as well as those who have three years or less until reaching the age limit,” the source specified, are not subject to rotation.

Earlier, Chief of the General Staff, Army General Nikolai Makarov, said that the rotation of officers in the army and navy will occur regularly.

“The constant rotation in the army and navy was, is and will be. Every three to five years we will replace the officers. No one will be sitting in one place, ”said Makarov, speaking in February to the officer meeting of veterans of the army and navy in Moscow.

He noted that before the reform of the Armed Forces in a number of military districts, officers served from lieutenant to major general.

“In particular, in the Moscow Military District, lieutenants served to major generals when they were offered the Siberian Military District, the 80% of officers of one of the headquarters departments put a report on the table,” Makarov said.

Comments

[zczczc]

Well, not only officers are to blame. If you arrange such an imbalance of the economy in favor of the center and suck everything from the outskirts, then, of course, such a move will be more appropriate for a link.

On the other hand, the officer is wholly owned by the state ... more precisely, the people. The state does not even own profitable enterprises in our territory.

[AleksUkr]

The rotation of officers in the Soviet Army was carried out regularly. Replacement was carried out within the USSR and abroad. The refusal of generals and senior officers to move to new duty stations in remote districts from the Arbat fortified area is a completely natural and expected event. White bone Makarov is now in favor of rotation, but where was he before? Why didn’t he raise the question of replacement. Although he himself shook his eyes on the union. The high command staff swelled up in Moscow. They don’t know and don’t want to know the likely theaters of war. They had one task, to gain a foothold in Moscow. Specialists were not interested in such matters in the army. I believe that the Armed Forces of Russia will only gain by getting rid of such ballast. If they were to remove Serdyukov after them. The army would breathe deeply. In fact, all the officers and generals who had combat experience and did not accept the reform of the Serdyukov’s liaison were already dismissed. Makarov. Maybe, finally, they will really deal with the problems of the army.

[Russian 1970]

Maybe it's for the best! You’ll get some kind of starley! Then piss off! There are probably not a single "combat" officer among them.

[mitrich]

And for some reason, I immediately remembered such an archaeological case (it is true, not a joke):
I.V. Stalin heard immediately after the war one colonel-general. At the end of the report, he said: "Comrade Stalin, I picked up some things for my family in Germany, but there were difficulties with the transportation of things to the USSR. Please help." Stalin: "No question." He takes a paper and writes something, and then gives it to the general. He reads: "I ask you not to hinder Colonel N in transporting his junk to the USSR." The general says: "Comrade Stalin, thank you, only there is a mistake here, I am a colonel general, not a colonel." Stalin: "No mistake, everything is written correctly here."
So it is here. Can you move these "hot" asses on the Arbat? And if you do, I don’t believe in their professionalism and competence. If they go over, they will simply devour subordinate officers out of anger.
So under the ass ankle these 160 "opponents of reforms" .

[His]

They have not been officers for a long time, but corrupt corrupt red faces.

[Oleg]

They also say: "a donkey standing in the shade will not work."

zczczc outlined the essence of the problem.

In Moscow MONEY there housing is for some reason more expensive than on the outskirts, problems with work are not the same as in the region, not to mention distant areas. Should a person think about life after service and about family?
This is one side. There is another. Seeing how the structures created and honed over the years are crumbling, and even if it didn’t interfere, they send on ... There are still parties ...
How can people be judged?

[AleksUkr]

Actually, the officer is different from civilians in that he is obligated and ready to always go where the motherland sends him. Do not count these words as pathetic.
Recall the anecdote of the times of Furtseva, when she made a claim that officers receive a salary more than engineers. MO, then there were real MOs, offered to call an engineer and lieutenant and they were asked a corresponding question about a new job in Chukotka. The engineer began to ask questions about salary, housing, travel and other household problems. And the lieutenant only asked briefly, when to go? The question of the difference in salary disappeared by itself. And warmed up in the Arbat fortified area are unworthy to be considered real officers. Better have a rest at home. Although I do not support our military department, everything needs to be done on time.

[raf]

Even if they are dismissed, they all do not how much! They have already filled their pockets! They are on the drum!

[chehywed]

Rough, and if you don’t fire these ... poison, they will continue to fill their pockets.

[almost demobil]

it is especially disgusting when this guano with an inspection priestsya.Tam in the Arbat fortified area he is "hey colonel", he does not disdain to ride on the subway or on a trolley, but here in Russia he needs to give a car in the ass. freaks in military uniform! Here I agree with Makarov, but only here, as well as him there, but on a grand scale.

[AleksUkr]

I agree! Tired of his reforms and support, the felmebel Taburetkin.

[Comrade]

An officer is obliged to serve where the motherland says ... My father graduated from a military school in Latvia, began serving in Azerbaijan, continued on the Kola Peninsula, and then in Ukraine and retired there .... This is rotation ... and these officers from Moscow are afraid to stick their nose out .... ((

[merkawa]

Yes, the officer is now not the one to go, as their souls then stuck to the capital

[slavash]

It is right. The only caveat is that an office apartment at a new duty station should be immediately provided (I’m talking about all the officers now, not just the senior officers).

[916-th]

Rotation, without question, should be. I’m worried about something else - with what fright did Serdyukov-Makarov start doing the right thing? There is a suspicion that under the cover of the right words, dubious deeds are being turned.

[Dovmont]

By love, if an officer refuses to leave the warm metropolitan toilet and go directly to the troops, this is no longer an officer. More precisely, the officer is already useless (I write the letter "z" in the prefixes in principle) for the army. And what the Rough-Shaped Stool is up to is another matter. Suvorov, Kutuzov, Paskevich, Yermolov and many of our other great and not so generals, even in old age, were not afraid to take on difficult military tasks and solve them with honor. And remember Prince Dovmont! Until a ripe old age he did not let go of the sword while defending Russia! When the Pskov messengers came to him, who was seriously ill, lying in a fever, with a request to help the besieged Pskov, he found the strength to put on armor and, with a small squad, break the enemy. So about him and the glory was such that only from his name the masters scattered across the castles. It was not for nothing that the prince became the holy warrior Timothy of Pskov! Will there be in our General Staff even remotely similar to the ones listed above? I am summing up! Well, and the Stool, it is the Stool - what can you get from it?

[bells]

Do not forget that wives work for officers (and often receive more husbands), children study - where are normal universities beyond the crooked lake?
Let them conduct a survey of family members of the high school - they will find out how many families are ready to follow the Urals and quit.

[AleksUkr]

My wife went with me to all places of my service. And there were more than a dozen. She knew who she was getting married to. Children studied in several schools. And nothing happened to them. Both also became officers and do not serve in the Arbat fortified area. We managed to visit both the war and peacekeeping events, changing several duty stations. So there is nothing to pity them. Pity humiliates.

[916-th]

In dogonku:
To correctly evaluate this event, you need to have the following information:

- What is the total number of senior and senior officers of the Arbat fortified area?
- What percentage of the total number are 160 people?
- Who are they, these chosen ones for rotation - surnames, positions, attitude to reforms and their initiators.
- the reasons for getting into the list, why are they?

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: slavash

The only caveat is that an office apartment at a new duty station should be immediately provided (I’m talking about all the officers now, not just the senior officers).

Truly so! From my experience: as a green summer in the early 90s I came to Blagoveshchensk (from Cherepovets). We bought into the promises "you will be given new cottages to choose from." Provided. There was plenty to choose from. There are no windows or doors, the floors are partially laid, there is no water, no electricity. If you want - get it at your own expense, if you don't want - to the barracks. So I spent my first year as an officer in the barracks. Then he was lucky, he was sent to the Tula region.
And then the Chinese completed the cottages, did not break off. And they still live there.
And the desire to serve, frankly, bribed then.

Quote: 916

Rotation, without question, should be. I’m worried about something else - with what fright did Serdyukov-Makarov start doing the right thing? There is a suspicion that under the cover of the right words, dubious deeds are being turned.

Indeed, why would it be? On the one hand, yes, it is necessary, on the other hand, I absolutely agree with the 916th, maybe it's the other way around, they want to get rid of the "non-friends" and make room for the "friends." And then, it’s one thing to get a lieutenant from Cherepovets to Blagoveshchensk, who basically don’t care where to go (well, I don’t care), and another thing is to send a lieutenant colonel from Moscow to Kamchatka, who is 3-4 years old before retirement. He understands that there is little chance of getting out of there.

Moscow "spoils" people. This is no offense to Muscovites, don't get it wrong, the difference in the level and quality of everything in relation to the regions is simply too great. Education, money, leisure ...

In general, the idea is correct, but here we usually fail ...

[Sorry]

Firstly, the replacement (now - rotation) has always been for officers. Secondly, in Moscow and other places (Germany, Crimea, the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus) sat from lieutenants to generals grandchildren and sons of the Soviet nomenclature and generals. Thirdly, not everything is clear from the presented article. If, for example, a person already has everything there, and even roots are already put down, why should he go somewhere. Or because of the health of a family member, etc. Moreover, he does not violate the order. The law today allows contractors to leave freely after graduation, as in any office. This, by the way, is a vicious practice, it may be necessary to fight, but the contracts have ended its action. Fourthly, in the Russian and Soviet concepts of officers - they are not officers, but opportunists. Even the wearing of uniforms began to be regarded as a simple worker, and this is also the result of inculcating a new look for the sun.

[Civil]

Officers knew where they were going.
Wives - they knew who they were marrying.
children, parents knew what could be.

nagging stop

[fedora]

Rotation is a socially fair decision, it is difficult to challenge it. Unfortunately, it does not apply to the "cohort of untouchables" who have connections in the highest echelons of power, and this is the very ballast we are opposing here ...

[cVM]

How many generals do we have? if things go well, neither the generals nor the chiefs of police will remain and the KGB officers will lead the country in full