Mirror for "Heroes of the nation" "Freedom to the Drevlyans!" - our answer to Kiev ?!

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Mirror for "Heroes of the nation" "Freedom to the Drevlyans!" - our answer to Kiev ?!


Contrary to the precepts of great ancestors, despite the clearly expressed position on unity with Russia of the best sons of Ukraine (for example, Gogol and Potebni), Ukrainians before our eyes finally degenerated into ukropatology, and became in the full sense of the word an ideology of social, economic, ethnic and cultural regression. This turned the Ukrainians into the shock avant-garde of the world degenerative wave, into the most consistent and insane conductors and carriers of every kind of decay and decomposition. It is in Ukraine that the insane Ukrainians embody the most reactionary and misanthropic version of economic liberalism. It is there that the deepest and most comprehensive blow to the culture is delivered. This is obvious to all thinking people, but along with these processes there is a process of ethnic degradation, anti-historical "downsizing" of an ethnic unit.

It is not difficult to predict, but once launched processes of national degeneration cannot, and should not, stop at the Ukrainian ethnic unit.
If it turned out to be possible to divide the Russians into “Muscovites” and some special “Ukrainian Russians,” then the “Ukrainian Russians” can also be and should be divided in the logic of national diminution.

Is Ukrainian Rus are a single people?

Of course not. And about this in historical science is a complete consensus.


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Until now, in the history of a nation, they have been formed in the quite well-known way of civilizational progress: from clan to tribe, from tribe to nationality, from nationality to nation, from nation to empire.
As civilization developed, the ethnic unit was enlarged, and this is the iron step of historical development. They do not go back from large unified peoples back to the clans and tribes, this is regressive nonsense and reactionary obscurantism.

Having embarked on this path, the Ukrainian degenerates will soon face the problem of Drevlyan separatism, which is completely within the logic of their separation from Russia.

In fact, if the “Russian-Ukrainian wars” were found, then there is no need to look for the “Kiev-Drevlyan wars”, they are well known and have been studied in schools for a long time. In order to form at first a separatist Drevlyan intelligentsia, and then a broad separatist movement, only three things are needed:

1. The desire of some great power (for example, Russia).
2.Money
3. Kiev's distraction by some other, more urgent threat (for example, the struggle against Russia).
How will the special Drevlyane intelligentsia be formed, and then the special Drevlyane nation demanding independence? It is very simple, as before the Ukrainians were made.

Those who want to be Drevlyane "svidomye" already have: in the photo - the team of Drevlyane at the Slavic festival "Svetyn - 1998 g."
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If you allocate grants to the original Drevlyan culture, taking advantage of the fact that now Kiev is not up to the suppression of this “work”, then by itself, in a poor and hopeless country, such as Ukraine, there will be a great number of rogues and speculators Poroshenko) wishing to receive these grants.
Receiving grants, these rogues and swindlers will quickly create some kind of substrate, books, poems, and a language dialect of the “Drevlian people”. At the same time, all the problems paid for by the Drevlian klak will be attributed to “imperial Kiev” and “oppression of the Drevlyane by the glades”.

Who are the "glade"? This is a new version of the old theme "Muscovites". Glade - the name of the Eastern Slavic tribal association, in the era of the settlement of the Eastern Slavs settled on the middle reaches of the Dnieper, on its right bank. Their city was (and still is) Kiev.

It should be emphasized that the same name had a West Slavic tribe in the region of Gniezno - western glades, which later gave their name to the Poles and Poland.

What a space for provocations! There is a clearing in Kiev, they are Poles, and our Cossack always waged war with the Poles!



In the picture: the damned Kievites of the Drevlians subjected to terrible agony!

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According to the chronicle news and the latest archaeological research, the territory of the land of the field before the Christian era was limited to the flow of the Dnieper, Ros and Irpin; in the west it was adjacent to the Drevlyane land, in the north-west - to the southern settlements of the Dregovichi, in the south-west - to the Tivertsy, in the south - to the streets.

From here the Drevlian ukrofoba mythology will take its source. They say that Kiev has enslaved and occupied us, Drevlyans! A shame! Shame!

And then it suddenly turns out (grants from a foreign power and booklets from abroad will help!) That the original Drevlian land lies in Zhytomyr and in the west of the Kiev region!
From the east of the land, the Drevlyane borders the Dnieper, and from the north the Pripyat River, beyond which the Dregovichi lived (now the Belarusians, who, unlike us, the Drevlyans, managed to free themselves from the curse of Kiev!). The Drevlyan freedom-loving people were finally enslaved by Kiev under Princess Olga in 946.

No need to dig deep to prove (especially with timely payment from abroad): the area of ​​residence of Drevlyans corresponds to the area of ​​onion-raykovetskoy culture, different, and very significantly, from Kiev-Polyanskaya. The name of the Drevlyane, according to the chronicler, given to them because they lived in the forests.

Worse (for the klyaty "Kievites"): Drevlyane and ANTHROPOLOGICY other than Kievites!
The Drevlyans were characterized by a broad-faced and mesokophalic type, corresponding to the anthropology of the original Slavs, the territory of which included the village land. And in the fields, everything is different; they are new, hordes-conquerors mingling with foreigners!

Is it even EVEN NOW (and what will happen after the grants?) The secret that before submission to Kiev the Drevlyans had a developed tribal early state organization ?. According to the testimony of the Tale of Years, the Drevlians had their own reign. Well, where is it? Do not Kiev, you stole it? Down with!

The chronicle also mentions Prince Mala and "the best men who ruled the Land of the Land."

Describing the manners of the Drevlians, the chronicler exposes them, in contrast to their contemporaries to the meadows, by a wild people: This is a proof of the disregard of the Kievites by the Drevlyans, of the anti-pledging in Kiev!

Here is the basis for the slogan "they always hated us, the Drevlians!"



And the pictures confirming the slogan have already been drawn: from a history textbook, the people of Kiev kill Drevlyans and burn their capital ...

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The political center of the Drevlyane in the epoch of their independence was the city of Iskorosten, later this center, apparently, shifted to the city of Ovruch. The Drevlyans, by the way, had specifically Drevlyan burials in unpaved graves! Even the dead, we were not buried as klyatye Kievlyak!

There is also a scientifically based map of Drevlyany. It was compiled in 1982 by V. V. Sedov. So, crooks who will speak on behalf of "the entire Drevlian people" for grants from a foreign power, already have something to speak about.
But the process of their “ethnic isolation” has not even begun yet! What will happen, throw a couple of billions of dollars into this furnace of ambitions and greed of the provincial Napoleon?
O shame and disgrace, submission to Kiev! According to the testimony of the Tale of Time Years, the glade was for a long time in a subordinate position among the Drevlyane: “The Derevlyane would be offended by the injections of the circumventers” but already Oleg (882 — 912) for the first time imposed a tribute on Drevlyane.

Among the tribes subordinate to Oleg and participating in his campaign against the Greeks, the Drevlyans are also mentioned; but they obeyed, not without hard struggle. Upon the death of Oleg, they made an attempt to free themselves; Prince Igor defeated them and imposed an even greater tribute on them.

When the Prince of Kiev, Igor, tried to collect a second tribute from the Drevlyans (945), they were indignant and killed him. According to the testimony of the Byzantine historian Lev the Deacon, Igor "was captured by them, tied to the trunks of trees and torn in two."

Prince Drevlyane Mal made an attempt to woo the Igor's widow, Princess Olga, but she, driven by a feeling of revenge, tricked the Drevlyane embassy by deception, buried alive in the ground. In the Polish chronicle of Jan Długosh, however, another name of the Drevlian prince, Niskina, is mentioned.

After that, Olga together with her young son Igor Svyatoslav went to war with the Drevlyans and defeated them. To the widow of Igor, Olga, the chronicle attributes the final submission of the Drevlians.

Svyatoslav Igorevich planted (970 — 977) in the Drevlyane land of his son Oleg. Vladimir the Holy (approx. 960-1015), distributing volosts to his sons, planted (approx. 990-1015) in the Drevlyan land of Svyatoslav, who was killed (1015) by Svyatopolk Damned. From the time of Yaroslav the Wise (1016 — 1054), the Drevlyane land is part of the principality of Kiev.

Here begins the bitter streak of Drevlian slavery in Kiev! But - Drevlian activists will say - fortunately, there are powers abroad who are ready to help us throw off the hated Kiev yoke!
Hooray, hurray, down with Kiev, long live Iskorosten! Glory to Mala, damn Oleg and Olga! We have nothing to do with Kievites!

This, in short, the Pandorra box is opened by Ukrainians with their degenerative, anti-historical “nation-building”, on the contrary, through the dismantling of large nations in favor of the tribal Okrain.

Anyone who raises against the other degenerates and scammers - must understand that the other has the right to respond with the same ...
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  1. +15
    18 December 2014 14: 38
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/645/gaoq880.jpg


    What can I say if the Buddha is also a Ukrainian !!!
    1. 0
      18 December 2014 14: 41
      Each has its own skeleton in the closet.
      1. +11
        18 December 2014 15: 34
        Freedom of Drevlenie, Kiev to Gilyak Panda Get!)))
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    4. +4
      18 December 2014 17: 27
      After all, in our country, every city is like a principality (it is still so), but with a foundation - "Rus". Then adjectives became more primary, such as Rus, but Kuevskaya. Then “someone shouted from the branches” that she was the mother of all Russian cities. Although this was already the Khazar Kaganate, with whom the Prophetic Oleg fought successfully. Then Moiseev's servants came and changed the Russian alphabet. They forced him to pray to his God, otherwise he would punish everyone. Millions have been punished. Again, something didn’t work together, and the calendar was altered. And further - more. They began to rewrite history, starting from Moses, who fed the people with locusts - (manna from heaven,) but Christ was crucified: "and his hands behind his back and into a black funnel, so that he could do nothing, and that he would think less." And what has changed? The last of them even tried to change the time zones and light bulbs in the apartments of each of us. Nothing, we'll get over it.
      1. +3
        18 December 2014 19: 21
        Digging Deep +++
      2. 0
        20 December 2014 10: 59
        Very interesting train of thought.
  2. +7
    18 December 2014 14: 39
    There is only one answer - the restoration of historical justice, that is, the return of the so-called Ukraine to the fold of Great Russia ...
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  4. +6
    18 December 2014 14: 41
    To the author plus. Yes, indeed the Pandora’s box is opened and there will be many troubles, and especially at the level of the mundane, so to speak, everyday.
    I regret it very much, although I warned Ukrainians in the 1979 year that their enthusiasm and indefatigable attraction to their own greatness would lead to this.
    1. +2
      18 December 2014 14: 53
      I fully support your opinion.
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    3. +3
      18 December 2014 15: 14
      Quote: Vasily Ivashov
      To the author plus. Yes, indeed the Pandora’s box is opened and there will be many troubles, and especially at the level of the mundane, so to speak, everyday.
      I regret it very much, although I warned Ukrainians in the 1979 year that their enthusiasm and indefatigable attraction to their own greatness would lead to this.


      What other "box" ??? !!! request We just studied at the wrong school !!! belay WHAT CAN BE QUESTIONS ??? !! what
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  6. -2
    18 December 2014 14: 50
    I did not like the article, the author lumped all the facts into a heap mixed with "grants", it seems to me that even Lev Gumilyov has a more consistent presentation. IMHO
  7. +2
    18 December 2014 15: 08
    If schizophrenia is considered a consequence of Ukrainian roots, then schizoids of the whole world have these roots. Based on this reason, they are crested and write their nonsense. am
    1. +1
      18 December 2014 16: 41
      Maybe then you should study the origin of the name Ukraine?
      For one, should you delve into the territorial distribution of mental disorders and the influence of local environmental factors?
    2. +3
      18 December 2014 18: 22
      Quote: Major Yurik
      If schizophrenia is considered a consequence of Ukrainian roots, then schizoids of the whole world have these roots. Based on this reason, they are crested and write their nonsense.
      And here is no nonsense. negative Scientifically proven - ukry were and is an ancient people. Yes From them all monkeys descended. good And from the monkeys, respectively, went all sorts of Muscovites, Kids, and pindosy other nationalities.wassat
      1. 0
        18 December 2014 20: 24
        Quote: Nagan
        And here is no nonsense. Scientifically proven - Ukrainian was and is the most ancient people. From them all monkeys descended. And from the monkeys, respectively, went all sorts of Muscovites, Kids, and Pindos other nationalities.


        Yeah ??? !!!! belay what Darwin hike, not sickly WASTE !!!! wassat
  8. -2
    18 December 2014 15: 31
    Some nonsense! Why you need to believe in it? How can we believe in such events that happened about a thousand years ago, if we still do not know some of the nuances of recent Soviet history?
  9. +3
    18 December 2014 15: 56
    Interesting!
    Tell me, did the Ukrainians gobble up the mammoths?
    As it turns out that mammoths are the ancestors of wild boars. Yes
    1. +1
      18 December 2014 16: 19
      Quote: ilija93
      Interesting!
      Tell me, did the Ukrainians gobble up the mammoths?
      As it turns out that mammoths are the ancestors of wild boars. Yes

      And then smile wide eat Yes Mammoths so that they are not quickly found, mutated in boars laughing
    2. 0
      18 December 2014 16: 42
      If mammoths were found in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, then yes, they could gobble up.
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    4. +8
      18 December 2014 18: 49
      No! Ukrainians are a very young alien people. The indigenous people of this territory look different :( :). That’s why mammoths died out of swine ...
    5. +3
      18 December 2014 20: 35
      Quote: ilija93
      Interesting!
      Tell me, did the Ukrainians gobble up the mammoths?
      As it turns out that mammoths are the ancestors of wild boars.


      Of course not!!!! request They ate them, of course, m @ ck @ li, though they didn’t know yet that they were m @ ck @ li, but the Holodomor proto-ukram was already organized then !!! Still the "victims" are "suffering" !!!
      1. +2
        19 December 2014 00: 47
        Here is the real victim of the famine ... so exhausted that I want to cry, skin and bones
  10. 0
    18 December 2014 16: 10
    Ukrop Cretaceous
  11. +5
    18 December 2014 16: 14
    A monument to Mal has already been erected in Korosten, and nearby is Malin, an outpost of the prince. This is where the "separatists" have settled! wassat
  12. 0
    18 December 2014 16: 35
    I have several questions for the author: does the author know how the drevlyans differed from the glades or the same dregoviches? Does the author know the reasons for the names of these tribes?
    What does the author know about true chronicles of peoples? (and this is not a collection of school "from the Tale" tales)
    Since when did the drevlyans come to be called Ukrainians?

    The article is nonsense. The fact that the neopagans decided to call themselves Drevlyans does not mean that they became them.
    And you shouldn’t juggle for glades and zheks at all, the author should be ashamed of ...
    1. 0
      19 December 2014 00: 59
      Quote: BigElectricCat
      The article is nonsense. The fact that the neopagans decided to call themselves Drevlyans does not mean that they became them.
      And you shouldn’t juggle for glades and zheks at all, the author should be ashamed of ...

      Unfortunately you did not understand the main message of the author! First, the author did not call the drevlyans Ukrainians, but on the contrary designated them as an oppressed nation, oppressed by the glades. The latter is not so far from the truth, since Princess Olga, according to the annals, really burned the city of Drevlyans with the help of birds. The author wanted to convey that it wasn’t difficult to organize a national liberation movement from scratch in any country that has its own history and myths.
      Another thing is that even the meadow could not be Ukrainians, since such a term appeared in Russia as a designation of its outskirts (Ukraine = outskirts). The wonders of pseudo-historical sciences are the whole history of ukrov. I wonder who the Ukrainians really think they are? Recently, some literate (according to Ukrainian concepts) young talent in a chat on WoT reported that the Bolsheviks coined the term Kievan Rus - in fact, it was not and this is a fairy tale of Muscovites ... I generally understand its logic. The fact is that if it reaches the sick consciousness of ukropatriots, that the term Kievan Rus appeared because the Russians founded Kiev - We will have to explain to ourselves what the hell they (Ukrainians) are doing there. With such a formulation of the question, even the genocide of Drevlyans is not needed as an excuse to free the native city (the former capital of Russia) from incomprehensible ukrov (apparently the descendants of Polish farm laborers, because have an irresistible craving for licking boots to western neighbors).))))
      1. 0
        19 December 2014 21: 23
        You all live in captivity of school fallacies. Who founded Kiev is known to those who owe their kind, despite all the vicissitudes of the wars of recent centuries, as well as those who tried in every possible way to destroy the knowledge and descendants of the clans.

        The term "Ruslan", later "Rusland" or the original "Rus" appeared long before the Reds.
        The term is Ruthenian (this was written earlier, before the reform of the language of the 17-18th years http://orthowiki.kalan.cc/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80% D0% BC% D0% B0_1918_%
        D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0
        7) recognize the correct spelling with prefixes of carts, from, bottom, times, without, through (through) before deaf consonants [2] (perception, reason, useless, seedling, stray);

        appeared in Russia, but not in Russia.

        Unlike you, the author knows what kosher food is.
  13. +1
    18 December 2014 16: 58
    Good as:))
    Here you can give a kick from the north.
    They say debt is red by payment.
    Gut, a good article))
  14. +1
    18 December 2014 17: 00
    Once the land belonged to dinosaurs. Freedom to crocodiles!
  15. +3
    18 December 2014 17: 02
    quite popularly explained how you can crumble peoples ... and the same drevlyans can then be divided into eastern or northern, let's say ... and since all this is one people from the Atlantic to the Pacific ... well, of course, for many years some of its parts impurities, some are generally zemanen ... the Anglo-Saxons are not our brothers, but the Scots or Icelanders are our direct relatives ... you can laugh at this, only for some reason the Scots know about it, but we laugh
  16. +3
    18 December 2014 18: 02
    Well, glade, Drevlyane, Kiev ... some kind of the same ... Liang. Comrades, I ask for a simple answer to the simplest question: since when did the Don Army Region (including the S. Donets current) become stolen? AND? The discussion is about the territories around Kiev. And New Russia (still that, imperial), and Slobozhanshchina ???
  17. +1
    18 December 2014 18: 05
    It’s interesting, but will Ukrainians think of kinship with China and Japan?
  18. +1
    18 December 2014 18: 42
    I don’t know about the Drevlyans, I’m afraid that after the violence committed by the Kievans (and also the husbands were beaten, and the women and girls know that) there were no purebred Drevlyans. It’s another matter that the absence of Drevlyans will not prevent Kuev from initiating lawsuits on charges of genocide in all international courts, as well as in the UN. Let them spend money on lawyers. But this is a start. And to establish a judicial precedent.
    And here I remember the Kiev prince smashed to pieces Khazaria in half. Jewish state, by the way. The state perished, but the Jews remained. So if you search the vast expanses of Great Russia, then there will be descendants of those Jews. Well let's say the same Hazjudging by his last name, clearly leads his family from Hazarias. And if you search in Israel and America, there will be many plaintiffs. And make Kiev a claim for reparation, but with interest for all the centuries that have passed. Nothing personal, just the restoration of historical justice. And there is a historical precedent - Germany paid, pays, and now cannot pay. And most importantly, neither America nor Europe will utter a word against.
  19. Quantum
    0
    18 December 2014 19: 27
    Ukrop historians need to throw a disu about the extragalactic origin of the protoucres. How did they manage to cross alien reptilians with
    peaceful shtetl camps of protoukrov, to teach them wisdom and
    harvest fat of herbivorous mastodons. Pseudo-grandeur of ukrov
    was laid by the aliens, they taught them how to ride, howl at the moon and
    with the accumulation of ukrov, sing the eternal hymn: scho did not die ...
  20. +1
    18 December 2014 19: 29
    Quote: ilija93
    Tell me, did the Ukrainians gobble up the mammoths?


    Do not. Nobody ate us. Whom do you want to eat. laughing
  21. 0
    18 December 2014 19: 33
    If it turned out to be possible to divide Russians into “her” and some special “Ukrainian Russes,” then “Ukrainian Russes” can also and should be divided in the logic of national reduction.

    I always write that Russians in Ukraine are made "Ukrainian Russ", that is, ka.tsapov. Then to make dill. The same can be said for the nation that is now being created from Ukrainians (also, in principle, Russians), based on Russophobia. The author just in fun shows how this can be done. Simply with the help of the Russians to get rid of the Russians. And that is true, if you think about it, there is no other way.
  22. 0
    18 December 2014 19: 56
    We were brothers, tired of it. No need to hold.
  23. 0
    18 December 2014 21: 30
    a variety of primates dill ...
  24. 0
    19 December 2014 01: 08
    The topic in the article is reasonable. The only pity is that "ukram" does not really understand it. Since childhood, I myself have watched and read a lot of propaganda on ukroTV, various textbooks, etc., and later even talked with some Bandera members. I don't even know how to explain what the inhabitants of western Ukraine have in their heads. In computer terms, this is a kind of program - vile, primitive, but at the same time brilliant. Those intelligent people who compiled it, implemented it and continues to improve it are guided by the slogan: the more incredible the lies, the more effective it is. And oddly enough, it works. I would also like to add that if you dig deeper, being interested in the true nationality of those people who since ancient times have been engaged in the fragmentation, disintegration and routine of the Slavs-Rus, a very curious picture emerges, and if we also add to this that today in our countries they control absolutely everything (also a very long time ago) - including even archeology (the place seems to be not a grain) - it becomes somehow uncomfortable. I am not in favor of inciting some kind of national enmity or fascism, just fascism and genocide have been taking place against us for a long time. And it looks like those who control it are not going to stop - on the contrary: they want to destroy us in the bud.
  25. 0
    19 December 2014 02: 04
    Quote: BigElectricCat
    I have several questions for the author: does the author know how the drevlyans differed from the glades or the same dregoviches? Does the author know the reasons for the names of these tribes?
    What does the author know about true chronicles of peoples? (and this is not a collection of school "from the Tale" tales)
    Since when did the drevlyans come to be called Ukrainians?

    The article is nonsense. The fact that the neopagans decided to call themselves Drevlyans does not mean that they became them.
    And you shouldn’t juggle for glades and zheks at all, the author should be ashamed of ...

    Dear, re-read the article carefully! This is a parody joke on the modern "history of Ukraine", replete with falsifications, twisting of facts, the elevation of cowards and traitors into heroes and Russophobia!
  26. Rosom
    0
    19 December 2014 16: 00
    "quite fit into the logic ..." - what is the logic of dill ??? you sho for logic - it is necessary to think, but dill cannot think. they think for them overseas. it is no coincidence that they have already invented a new history of ukrii. so the article is a minus - it's about nothing