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Ukrainian Mi-24, equipped with thermal imagers and modern missiles, will soon appear in the ATO zone.

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Kiev methodically increases the capabilities of its group in the Donbass. It is expected that nightly versions of the Mi-24P helicopters will appear in the sky over Novorossia, reports Messenger of Mordovia. According to some reports, the pilots have already completed their development.

Ukrainian Mi-24, equipped with thermal imagers and modern missiles, will soon appear in the ATO zone.


Modernization of "flying tanks"Carries out the Konotop Aircraft Repair Plant Aviakon.

The article states that "this machine looks different from the earlier modifications of helicopters in the line by the presence of the so-called" ball "of an optical-electronic gyro-stabilized platform of the Sagem company."

With its installation, the updated helicopters were able to work at night as well as during the day. The fighting qualities of the vehicle were undoubtedly increased by the Barrier-V guided missiles. Missiles are capable of hitting targets at a distance of 7,5 km. That is, the target can be destroyed from a point outside the reach of the portable Igla-S air defense system.

The helicopter flight characteristics are improved by installing new TV3-117ВМА-СБМ1В engines. And the station of optical-electronic suppression "Adros" should improve the security of the machine from attacking anti-aircraft missiles.

Experts note that "the emergence of such helicopters significantly increased the offensive capabilities of the Ukrainian security forces."
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  1. zao74
    zao74 28 November 2014 18: 58
    +37
    Yes, they fall just like the previous ones ...
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 28 November 2014 19: 00
      +18
      With or without thermal imagers, the Ukrainian Mi-24s will get off with militia quite successfully.
      1. gunter_laux
        gunter_laux 28 November 2014 19: 27
        +56
        The presence of thermal imagers on board the turntables is a serious problem for the ground forces of the enemy, it should not be underestimated. God forbid, our specialists will help militias cope with this problem.
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 28 November 2014 20: 28
          +25
          The only way out is direct deliveries of air defense systems, ours will not go for it, because these deliveries can no longer be masked and will be a direct participation in the conflict. In general, the situation is developing rather depressingly. All these cunning plans are perhaps the only way to outwit yourself. Because GDP is trying to play with cheaters and scammers, but this will not end in good.
          1. ma_shlomha
            ma_shlomha 28 November 2014 21: 12
            +11
            Now Abkhazia can get rid of unnecessary Russian weapons.
          2. crambol
            crambol 28 November 2014 22: 01
            +6
            Quote: chunga-changa
            In general, the situation is developing rather depressingly.


            I completely agree. Only recently, for the same thought, they pushed me a bunch of these, the most!
            1. bda
              bda 28 November 2014 23: 34
              0
              crambol SU Today, 22:01 PM ↑ New

              Quote: chunga-changa
              In general, the situation is developing rather depressingly.


              I completely agree. Only recently, for the same thought, they pushed me a bunch of these, the most!

              Hurray-cracks in Russia have not yet been translated!
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          4. GRANATE-19
            GRANATE-19 29 November 2014 05: 26
            0
            Quote: chunga-changa
            The only way out is direct deliveries of air defense systems, ours will not go for it, because these deliveries can no longer be masked and will be a direct participation in the conflict. In general, the situation is developing rather depressingly. All these cunning plans are perhaps the only way to outwit yourself. Because GDP is trying to play with cheaters and scammers, but this will not end in good.

            Well, who supplies the equipment to the ukrovermacht is abroad!
            So we need to act! Slowly, gradually, and supply MANPADS and instructors.
            As for the cheaters, they sometimes replay themselves and quarrel each other in a quarrel.
            Yes, and GDP is not a boy and most likely knows the buy-in, since he has a dacha in Sochi ("Bocharov Ruchei")
            And the problem is YES, but it is most likely solved and by the way the ukroluftwaffe will most likely not shoot at the maximum range, since there is no experience and night is night, and they will be knocked down at night ...
            Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
          5. boni592807
            boni592807 29 November 2014 20: 03
            0
            yes
            Well, why is the pack overcast ?! repeat
            Americans always proceed from the principle: "... nothing personal, just business !! ..." And old woman Europe will deliver (sorry) sell the required number of necessary "samples" for money. And among "Heroes, nezalezhnaya" money has not forgotten how to love, they will be able to deliver. A question of approach and means. bully
            It will be "cheaper" than "shine" your own, if it is not "the remnants of Soviet samples modified on the nezalezhnoy"! what
            And there are other ways, while they are producing, while they are being collected, while they are being transported. period of operation. Fascists during the Second World War at factories in Germany "gifts" in V. technique did. Let us think, who is the practical consultation on the spot, etc.! fellow
            Who remembers the movie "The Elusive Avengers"?
            "... Wait a minute, die, die !!! ...
            ... Maybe we’ll come up with something more fun? wink
            hi
        2. Petr1
          Petr1 28 November 2014 20: 45
          +2
          One will be collected with grief in half, but he will break up on the way to New Russia due to engine failure ......
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        3. Genry
          Genry 28 November 2014 20: 59
          +3
          To disguise yourself from a thermal imager, you need something like a shiny cloak-cape (mirror coating inside and out), on heat-insulating pins from the body. It reflects thermal radiation (inside) and does not emit it (outside).
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 28 November 2014 21: 11
            +1
            Another ordinary window glass masks heat very reliably. Only a glass shield in battle formations you can not drag - fragile, bulky and heavy.
            1. combat192
              combat192 29 November 2014 03: 15
              0
              See above. I already unsubscribed Genry.
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          3. Panikovsky
            Panikovsky 28 November 2014 21: 57
            -1
            Quote: Genry
            To disguise yourself from a thermal imager, you need something like a shiny cloak-cape (mirror coating inside and out), on heat-insulating pins from the body. It reflects thermal radiation (inside) and does not emit it (outside).

            None of this is necessary, since in the anti-terrorist operation zone, except for frostbite and starving Velikoukras, there will only be dezenteric and typhoid feces, and nobody will warm, feed and treat them.
          4. combat192
            combat192 29 November 2014 03: 13
            +4
            Have you tried it yourself? I do not recommend it. A man is visible through brickwork into stone.
            The thermal imager does not recognize WARM or HOT objects, but THERMAL CONTRAST. Those. the reconnaissance object can be colder and warmer than the background, the main thing is that the computer program through which the thermal imager works has the settings for typical objects: a person, a car, a tank, etc. (Not to be confused with thermal imaging sights, it's easier there).
        4. Alekseev
          Alekseev 28 November 2014 21: 26
          +11
          Quote: gunter_laux
          The presence of thermal imagers on board the turntables is a serious problem for the ground forces of the enemy, it should not be underestimated.

          A serious problem, but it’s too dangerous to fly helicopters over the Donbass, albeit with thermal imagers.
          There is no solid front line, there is no and no talk of suppressing the air defense system of the militia, you can get a MANPADS missile when approaching the attack objects at a time.
          And anti-aircraft gunners DNR-LNR, most likely, do not stand still. Arrow-10 they had for a long time, not to mention MANPADS. You look, there and the Shell in the container will start. wink What is the thermal imager in FIG ...
          Single weapon systems used outside the combat system are not able to turn the tide, but are very capable of large (and in vain) losses.
          Ukraine is enough to puff up in the Donbass, losing and leaving crippled, their garny lads.
          We must go to real negotiations. It is a pity banderlogs do not understand this.
          1. ALEX74
            ALEX74 28 November 2014 21: 36
            +2
            For turntables and ZU-23-2 perfect!
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 28 November 2014 21: 48
              -1
              Quote: ALEX74
              For turntables and ZU-23-2 perfect!

              ZU-23-2 has long been so outdated that it is not able to protect against modern threats.
              1. ALEX74
                ALEX74 28 November 2014 22: 09
                0
                And you didn’t try to work from zushka? Our guys take this sewing machine very seriously.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 28 November 2014 22: 20
                  +2
                  Well, and what will she do specifically against this helicopter?
            2. GSH-18
              GSH-18 28 November 2014 22: 53
              +4
              Quote: ALEX74
              For turntables and ZU-23-2 perfect!

              Out of date trash!
              On flat ground, no chance (after the first line will be destroyed). Because of the mountain, there is little chance. This bandura still needs to be transported on kamaz. On a smaller chassis from recoil and due to the tilt (the car's suspension is playing), air targets cannot be hit at all (especially against fast-moving ones). Better to use on lightly armored ground targets. For helicopters there is a MANPADS MANPADS.
              I ask large "experts"-advisers not to suggest trying bows and arrows, and other advanced lethal devices of the prehistoric era lol
          2. GRANATE-19
            GRANATE-19 29 November 2014 05: 35
            0
            Quote: Alekseev
            We must go to real negotiations. It is a pity banderlogs do not understand this.

            But the banderlogs there do not solve anything, everything is there Uncle Sam decides. And all sorts of statements by the Foreign Ministries and other missions to end the war are all idle talk, when Uncle Sam says, then the ukrovermacht will go away and before that, at least someone decide what - don’t decide, say - don’t say anything!
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        5. starik80
          starik80 28 November 2014 22: 19
          +2
          There is a video about how Jehadists shoot down Apache, and this machine in the sense of a thermal imaging scope abruptly 24 will be.
        6. HAM
          HAM 29 November 2014 11: 33
          0
          Probably they should be beaten on the ground, in the parking lots.
      2. sledgehammer
        sledgehammer 28 November 2014 19: 38
        +3
        Quote: Thought Giant
        With or without thermal imagers, the Ukrainian Mi-24s will get off with militia quite successfully.

        therefore, Ukrainian equipment does not fly into the combat zone now because they understood and were afraid that they could remain without military aviation at all.
      3. BOB044
        BOB044 28 November 2014 20: 14
        +4
        God grant that it would be so. Dill slowly get more and more new weapons. And the militia that will be beaten off. Poor is not right, we must help rearm, at least with newer weapons and will be another matter.
        1. ALEX74
          ALEX74 28 November 2014 21: 37
          0
          Totally agree!
      4. ALEX74
        ALEX74 28 November 2014 21: 31
        +2
        Underestimating the enemy is a very big mistake! Another thing is that banderlogs do not have pilots who can use such equipment. But if they buy such freaks, then the militia will have a very hard time! I hope they beat them right away!
      5. strong man
        strong man 28 November 2014 21: 41
        +12
        means that "NEEDLE THERAPISTS" will have work again !!!
      6. GSH-18
        GSH-18 28 November 2014 22: 41
        +6
        Ukrop Mi-24 and Pzrk Igla created for each other! God help the militias, and a successful hunt yes
      7. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 29 November 2014 12: 08
        0
        Quote: Thought Giant
        With or without thermal imagers, the Ukrainian Mi-24s will get off with militia quite successfully.


        it's time to pull out the BUKI or another medium-range air defense system.
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      1. Iline
        Iline 28 November 2014 19: 10
        +34
        Quote: Thought Giant
        With or without thermal imagers, the Ukrainian Mi-24s will get off with militia quite successfully.

        Let’s still not engage in hats. A problem arose that threatened the lives of many militias and civilians. Question: where did the Ukrovs get the optical-electronic gyro-stabilized platform of the "Sagem" company? Western humanitarian aid? And if the Barrier-V guided missiles are aimed at it, then this is a big problem. We can only hope for the fact that there are very few of these Mi-24s left in dill, and since summer they are very much afraid to use their aircraft.
        1. Paradoxov
          Paradoxov 28 November 2014 19: 13
          +11
          It would be time for South Ossetia and Abkhazia or to whom through them wink really help LDNR with air defense! am
          Where did that Buk from the radar (Polyana or Kupol, right now, I don’t remember) that the militia took from Artyomovsk in the summer?
          1. Dmitry Toderes
            Dmitry Toderes 28 November 2014 19: 51
            +1
            Quote: Paradoxov
            It would be time for South Ossetia and Abkhazia or to whom through them wink really help LDNR with air defense! am
            Where did that Buk from the radar (Polyana or Kupol, right now, I don’t remember) that the militia took from Artyomovsk in the summer?


            Where will you train staff? Even if the militia have a Buk air defense system, it is useless, since they do not know how to use it.
            1. vespe_rawr
              vespe_rawr 28 November 2014 21: 56
              +2
              Osa-AKM militia have a simpler apparatus.
          2. Alex21
            Alex21 28 November 2014 19: 58
            -28
            After the Boeing, he was disassembled for parts and destroyed, so ...
            1. ALEX74
              ALEX74 28 November 2014 21: 45
              0
              So what? blur the tracks and see it all, it’s not profitable for the geyrope to tell the truth! The monkey in the oval office does not allow yet to name the true culprits of this tragedy!
          3. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 28 November 2014 20: 08
            0
            Quote: Paradoxov
            Where did that Buk with radar go

            Didn’t you hear that he was understaffed and not combat ready? But after all, all the electronics there are disassembled and delivered as a precious metal containing.
          4. lankrus
            lankrus 28 November 2014 20: 29
            +4
            Quote: Paradoxov
            Where did that Buk with radar go


            There was only a conveyor and it was not in working condition, the great Ukrainians destroyed everything else, which they themselves reported by the way.
        2. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 28 November 2014 19: 18
          +8
          Interesting parallels ...

          1. wow
            wow 28 November 2014 20: 08
            +1
            What's in Russia, what's on h.o.kh.l.y.n.di.i. Are the unfinished Hozars acting as real "patriots"? !!!
            1. Nicotin13
              Nicotin13 29 November 2014 01: 42
              +1
              the most important task, as they see it, among them is how to destroy more Slavs on both sides
          2. Hitmaster
            Hitmaster 28 November 2014 20: 50
            +6
            not quite correct comparison. in 94 / 95, Russia fought against terrorism entrenched in the territory of Chechnya, and now terrorists and Nazis have come to power in Ukraine. but in both examples oligarchs and fools are in power. sadly ...
        3. Waterfowl
          Waterfowl 28 November 2014 19: 34
          +3
          Quote: Iline
          Quote: Thought Giant
          With or without thermal imagers, the Ukrainian Mi-24s will get off with militia quite successfully.

          Let’s still not engage in hats. A problem arose that threatened the lives of many militias and civilians. Question: where did the Ukrovs get the optical-electronic gyro-stabilized platform of the "Sagem" company? Western humanitarian aid? And if the Barrier-V guided missiles are aimed at it, then this is a big problem. We can only hope for the fact that there are very few of these Mi-24s left in dill, and since summer they are very much afraid to use their aircraft.

          You are absolutely right. Militia cases are unimportant. The issue with the Donetsk airport has not been resolved and is unlikely to be resolved.
        4. VAF
          VAF 28 November 2014 20: 13
          +14
          Quote: Iline

          Let’s still not engage in hats. A problem arose that threatened the lives of many militias and civilians. Question: where did the Ukrovs get the optical-electronic gyro-stabilized platform of the "Sagem" company?


          All the same, the site is alive, +! soldier
          And then "urya-patriots with .. hats .. already .. zadrali."

          1. The problem is serious, as everyone has forgotten or not at least to accentuate .. to what they led .. "the great Minsk .. agreements) - this is me for Mikhan ... it's scary to read him ... but glory to PU yelling .. not scary ?.
          2. Dill "licked" on this helicopter (this modification) since 1999.
          3.And now ATE (Advanced Technologies and Engineering) due to the lack of orders practically .. "lies" and here .. "such a trench" wassat
          4. Konotop ARZ. A very STRONG factory and PROFI work there .. god forbid! soldier
          5.A with new engines ... in general, the new life of a helicopter.

          Compare the photo from the ARZ workshop and this photo and ... as they say ... find 10 differences wassat
          Everything else ...- in any search engine-South Africa, Super-Hind Mk .. there is already the 5th version. (I like it for hat caps .. see what this helicopter can do, than it can and from what ranges) soldier

          1. not main
            not main 28 November 2014 20: 59
            +5
            Quote: vaf
            vaf (3)

            That's right, but where does Kiev Mi-24 come from? They already sold everything, but the fact that they did not sell the militias landed! Konotop ARZ is a serious enterprise, but NEVER was engaged in modernization! And if you take into account the simple one at 20, I'm sorry, but who works there? By the way, the ARZ carried out work on the glider (fuselage), but in any way on equipment the more so complicated! Yes, there are simply no specialists!
            1. VAF
              VAF 28 November 2014 21: 16
              -1
              Quote: non-primary

              That's right, but where does Kiev Mi-24 come from? They already sold everything, but the fact that they did not sell the militias landed! Konotop ARZ is a serious enterprise, but NEVER was engaged in modernization! And if you take into account the simple one at 20, I'm sorry, but who works there? By the way, the ARZ carried out work on the glider (fuselage), but in any way on equipment the more so complicated! Yes, there are simply no specialists!


              With all due respect, but you still have information from Soviet times.

              1. Konotop residents have been engaged in all kinds of modernization for 15 years already. Including all our "latest" bulletins (on hinged pre-fuel tanks).
              2. According to the "method" from SPARK .. "successfully" make "fakes" from MT to MTV (well, this is more related to Sevastopol residents).
              3.From all over the world, almost all helicopters went for repair to Dill, and not to us.
              4. Since 2005, the aircraft company has modernized all turntables (Mi-24-e) for the countries of the former VL.
              5.24 matches are supplied by the Poles.

              The only problem they have with LNV and RV .... but knowing our 2 "and this problem .. 2 not a problem", because. in spite of the List ... the issue of "deliveries through 3 countries" .. is solved at once, and after U-U has mastered the production of interchangeable LNV .. then two factories operate only on 8, though from 24 -kami .. it will be .. more difficult (but .. always at the "friends" there will be previously purchased kits in the "stores").
              So, and there are SPECIALS there .. be sure! soldier
              1. Gronsky
                Gronsky 28 November 2014 21: 58
                +6
                Quote: vaf
                For 15 years, Konotop residents have been engaged in all types of modernization.

                In no way does I intend to throw hats and other toiletry items, but I think you "slightly" exaggerate the capabilities and abilities of the local specialists and production in general. As recently as in the summer of 2013, I had the opportunity to visit this enterprise personally just for work matters close to the topics you listed above. For obvious reasons, I won't say more (it's not about the terrible Ukrop military secret). So, there is no need to exaggerate (as well as reduce) the industrial "achievements" of the misunderstanding with the name Ukraine.
                Everything there is not so clear, far from it. Therefore, while I am calm for the militias, time will tell whether I was right or wrong.
                Sincerely.
              2. Simple
                Simple 28 November 2014 23: 47
                +4
                Quote: vaf
                So, and there are SPECIALS there .. be sure!



                Hm. I don’t know how it is with specialists, but what is ultimately important is the competent and efficient use of technology.

                And in that "mess" (from the point of view of the safety of combat missions), which is now happening in the Donbas, is the use of a finite number of Mi-24Ps. request
              3. igor67
                igor67 29 November 2014 21: 50
                0
                Quote: vaf
                Quote: non-primary

                That's right, but where does Kiev Mi-24 come from? They already sold everything, but the fact that they did not sell the militias landed! Konotop ARZ is a serious enterprise, but NEVER was engaged in modernization! And if you take into account the simple one at 20, I'm sorry, but who works there? By the way, the ARZ carried out work on the glider (fuselage), but in any way on equipment the more so complicated! Yes, there are simply no specialists!


                With all due respect, but you still have information from Soviet times.

                1. Konotop residents have been engaged in all kinds of modernization for 15 years already. Including all our "latest" bulletins (on hinged pre-fuel tanks).
                2. According to the "method" from SPARK .. "successfully" make "fakes" from MT to MTV (well, this is more related to Sevastopol residents).
                3.From all over the world, almost all helicopters went for repair to Dill, and not to us.
                4. Since 2005, the aircraft company has modernized all turntables (Mi-24-e) for the countries of the former VL.
                5.24 matches are supplied by the Poles.

                The only problem they have with LNV and RV .... but knowing our 2 "and this problem .. 2 not a problem", because. in spite of the List ... the issue of "deliveries through 3 countries" .. is solved at once, and after U-U has mastered the production of interchangeable LNV .. then two factories operate only on 8, though from 24 -kami .. it will be .. more difficult (but .. always at the "friends" there will be previously purchased kits in the "stores").
                So, and there are SPECIALS there .. be sure! soldier

                Yes, there are specialists there, the same current director, when I came to the plant was an old man, an engineer, on mi6 they installed under his leadership "ears" on exhaust, Afghan cars, most of the former officers of the USSR Air Force, repair kits mastered a lot in Ukraine, like I previously wrote under Yeltsin there was a decree not to supply repair kits, in general, discord began under Yeltsin and in place of establishing relations. They also unleashed the war
          2. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN 28 November 2014 21: 40
            +1
            Two kondeya above the cockpit are very pleasing ... there is where to direct missiles wink
          3. VadimSt
            VadimSt 29 November 2014 01: 29
            +2
            The site is in place and I see vaf has not left it. Otherwise, I often want to ask a question: - "Where have the recognized experts gone lately?"
          4. igor67
            igor67 29 November 2014 11: 36
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            Quote: Iline

            Let’s still not engage in hats. A problem arose that threatened the lives of many militias and civilians. Question: where did the Ukrovs get the optical-electronic gyro-stabilized platform of the "Sagem" company?


            All the same, the site is alive, +! soldier
            And then "urya-patriots with .. hats .. already .. zadrali."

            1. The problem is serious, as everyone has forgotten or not at least to accentuate .. to what they led .. "the great Minsk .. agreements) - this is me for Mikhan ... it's scary to read him ... but glory to PU yelling .. not scary ?.
            2. Dill "licked" on this helicopter (this modification) since 1999.
            3.And now ATE (Advanced Technologies and Engineering) due to the lack of orders practically .. "lies" and here .. "such a trench" wassat
            4. Konotop ARZ. A very STRONG factory and PROFI work there .. god forbid! soldier
            5.A with new engines ... in general, the new life of a helicopter.

            Compare the photo from the ARZ workshop and this photo and ... as they say ... find 10 differences wassat
            Everything else ...- in any search engine-South Africa, Super-Hind Mk .. there is already the 5th version. (I like it for hat caps .. see what this helicopter can do, than it can and from what ranges) soldier


            And the photo in the article is my native workshop, I worked there for 15 years
          5. jagdpanzer
            jagdpanzer 29 November 2014 12: 05
            +1
            read, a serious thing ..
          6. alone
            alone 29 November 2014 21: 10
            +1
            Sergey, welcome! indeed, hatred and tidiness has already crossed all borders. By the way, this plant made such SuperHinds for us together with South Africa. I can say for sure that it is easier to destroy a tank from a distance of 7-8 km than to smoke a cigar for a pilot.

            Only the point is what. All the same cheers-patriots prove nothing))
        5. APASUS
          APASUS 28 November 2014 20: 50
          +4
          Quote: Iline
          Quote: Thought Giant
          With or without thermal imagers, the Ukrainian Mi-24s will get off with militia quite successfully.

          Let’s still not engage in hats. A problem arose that threatened the lives of many militias and civilians. Question: where did the Ukrovs get the optical-electronic gyro-stabilized platform of the "Sagem" company? Western humanitarian aid? And if the Barrier-V guided missiles are aimed at it, then this is a big problem. We can only hope for the fact that there are very few of these Mi-24s left in dill, and since summer they are very much afraid to use their aircraft.

          One more confirmation that the war in the east of Ukraine is only at the beginning. Reserves are being tightened, a change of tactics and the appearance of new equipment are being recorded, civilians are being squeezed out by shelling, preparations are underway for a massive offensive. I think it will explode again before spring, it seems the Ukrainian leadership has put its heads on the American board ???
          1. alone
            alone 29 November 2014 21: 12
            0
            Here is the confirmation to your words. Sam Strelkov says this

            what can you say, cheers-patriots, I hope you will not blame this person for being a traitor and alarmist.

            Very sober assessment of the situation
        6. Deadmen
          Deadmen 28 November 2014 21: 54
          +1
          in addition, we hope that there are not many experienced pilots left.
        7. Cristall
          Cristall 28 November 2014 22: 36
          +2
          Quote: Iline
          Where did the Ukrovs get the Sagem optical-electronic gyro-stabilized platform?

          According to the report, adopted by the Armed Forces in May 2012, following the results of the first stage of modernization with the participation of the Ukrainian MiK-24PU defense complex, it passed a flight test cycle and is ready to complete installation of Sagem equipment.
          As the company specified, the Ukrainian part of the modernization includes equipping the helicopter with domestic ones: a digital sight; equipment for night use; laser target designation system; new engines; VHF radio station; missile defense system with infrared guidance.
          The list of installed equipment manufactured by a French company includes: on-board computer; multifunction displays; optoelectronic station; inertial-satellite navigation system; digital card generator.
          French equipment will be mounted on the first prototype of a modernized ground-based helicopter with the assistance of Sagem specialists.
          "The availability of modern equipment brings the upgraded Mi-24 closer to NATO standards: individual units of French equipment are already being successfully installed on Western models: Cougar and NH90 helicopters," the company noted.
          The modernized Mi-24 is planned to be demonstrated during the 8th International Aviation and Space Salon AVIASVIT-XXI, which will open on September 27 at the Kiev-Antonov airfield.
          The deep modernization of the helicopter is carried out in two stages with the participation of the foreign defense industry. The program is carried out in cooperation of 12 Ukrainian enterprises and the French Sagem. The helicopter is equipped with a new modernized sight NPK Arsenal, a new Barrier-V missile developed by the Luch Design Bureau, a new TV3 engine -117VMA-SBM1V, helicopter optoelectronic suppression station "Adros" KT-01AVE developed by NPF "Adron", as well as modern European avionics.
          According to the cooperation plans previously announced by the Ministry of Defense, the equipment of the MI-24 sighting and surveillance station Sagem is scheduled for 2013. The completion of the modernization of the Mi-24 is fully planned for 2014.
          There was an article on the topvar about this modification - then they wrote that it was "fantastic" .. Today the questions are - where?
    3. AKM9
      AKM9 28 November 2014 19: 05
      +10
      In this case, the men in Donbass may accidentally find in the bushes not only "Igloo", but also "TOP" or "Buk" Ukrainian configuration.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 28 November 2014 19: 20
        +8
        If aviation dill dill .. It will be terribly for civilians .. Amer’s tactics from afar and do not cripple yourself ..! I hope in the near future everything will change .. It is terrible to read about the bombing of cities and towns of Novorosiya .. am
        1. avia12005
          avia12005 28 November 2014 20: 26
          -1
          Unfortunately, we are in a fork: you cannot interfere, and you cannot interfere. Conclusion: IMPACT NEEDS TO BE APPLIED BY THE STATES. POINT.
          1. Karabin
            Karabin 28 November 2014 20: 57
            +2
            Quote: avia12005
            it is impossible to intervene, and not to interfere.

            Why not intervene?
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 28 November 2014 21: 22
            +1
            Quote: avia12005
            Conclusion: A BLOW SHOULD BE APPLIED BY THE STATES. DOT.

            Do you want to see the post-apocalypse in kind? I warn you: if, contrary to all expectations, you personally survive, then you will envy those who did not survive.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 28 November 2014 23: 33
              +1
              Quote: Nagan
              Do you want to see the post-apocalypse in kind? I warn you: if, contrary to all expectations, you personally survive, then you will envy those who did not survive.

              There is no military solution to international problems between members of the nuclear club. In Russia, of course, there are fools (otherwise, as elsewhere), but they are no longer in power request
              So don’t worry, just don’t shoot, yes even though we have enough nuclear weapons to send the whole world to the underworld a couple of times.
              "We are peaceful people, but our armored train is on a side track .."
          3. Fregate
            Fregate 28 November 2014 21: 23
            0
            Quote: avia12005
            A BLOW SHOULD BE APPLIED BY THE STATES. DOT.

            Not a POINT, but a POPLAR.
          4. starik80
            starik80 28 November 2014 22: 27
            0
            Strategic.
          5. alone
            alone 30 November 2014 10: 38
            0
            and necessarily Poplars)))) lol Of course, nothing smart came to mind))) Do you want the sweetest to live? If yes, then I can offer the method of Anna Karenina))) cheap, reliable and practical wassat
    4. Finches
      Finches 28 November 2014 19: 59
      +4
      Nth gum. a convoy from Russia will solve this problem for the militia ....! laughing
    5. Timur
      Timur 28 November 2014 20: 56
      +2
      http://www.interfax.ru/russia/410041
      The Ministry of Defense reported on the successful launch of the Bulava from the Alexander Nevsky nuclear submarine

      congratulations comrades
    6. ALEX74
      ALEX74 28 November 2014 21: 33
      0
      Give GOD! Let it be so!
    7. vodolaz
      vodolaz 28 November 2014 22: 39
      +1
      And these will be knocked down, ours will be delivered than necessary means)
  2. Altona
    Altona 28 November 2014 19: 00
    +16
    The country of kamikaze has long been no longer Japan, but Ukraine ... Again, they give the fool a crystal member, everything is not a lesson to them ...
    1. insafufa
      insafufa 28 November 2014 19: 07
      0
      Quote: Altona
      The country of kamikaze has long been no longer Japan, but Ukraine ... Again, they give the fool a crystal member, everything is not a lesson to them ...


      I agree with you, you can fool and h .. to break again the monkey gave a grenade called, and against the arrow in an ambush will not help Soot
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 28 November 2014 20: 49
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      The country of kamikaze has long been no longer Japan, but Ukraine ... Again, they give the fool a crystal member, everything is not a lesson to them ...

      You are right of course ... But Ukraine is not a country .. This is a mirror of what can be with all of us. Now little New Russia is resisting ... against the Galicians (the rest of the bulk are silent ..) This is the worst ... ! (Putin understood this on time ..)
      1. alone
        alone 30 November 2014 10: 41
        0
        What are you talking about Vitaliy))) half of those who defend the Airport are purely ethnic Russians, many who speak purely Russian have pure surnames. This is a rotational state of ideas, and not an ethnic-national question. It’s time to understand this already.
  3. jovanni
    jovanni 28 November 2014 19: 02
    +12
    “The appearance of such helicopters significantly increased the offensive capabilities of the Ukrainian security forces.”

    We urgently need to supply the defenders of Novorossiya with means that significantly reduce the capabilities of these helicopters, and indeed ukrosiloviks. Down to "below the surface" ...
  4. starik80
    starik80 28 November 2014 19: 02
    +3
    Give a fool a glass dick ....
    1. Penelope
      Penelope 28 November 2014 19: 04
      +1
      Let them fly and remain on the land of New Russia.
  5. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 28 November 2014 19: 04
    +1
    Ukrainian Mi-24, equipped with thermal imagers and modern missiles, will soon appear in the ATO zone.

    It will not help them ... "heavenly punishment will befall them"...
  6. cidr777
    cidr777 28 November 2014 19: 05
    +2
    Born to crawl cannot fly.
  7. Noncombatant
    Noncombatant 28 November 2014 19: 05
    +9
    All this is good in a complex. Ground forces, fully computerized, the same rear and aviation. The fact that in ten helicopters to stick some kind of "smart ball" there is little to change. Fly more for 5 minutes. RPG-7 and Strela-2 do not care what kind of filling there is. The first missile will not shoot down, there will be a second. So, empty is everything.
    The most important question is the pilot. I think that after the spring-summer campaign "Poroshenko's falcons" are breaking such a price for a flight that it is easier to send monkeys from "Donbass" or "Aydar" to slaughter. Western mercenary pilots are not stupid either.
    The dead do not need money. And you will certainly be dead, because from every corner and tree, Utes, DShK, RPG-7, 18, 22, 26, and, of course, Arrows and Needles fly to you.
  8. NEXUS
    NEXUS 28 November 2014 19: 07
    +4
    here is not a "crystal penis", but glass eggs ... the penis was then split under Alovaisk
  9. Bear in the north
    Bear in the north 28 November 2014 19: 07
    +4
    And the station of optoelectronic suppression "Adros" should improve the protection of the machine from attacking anti-aircraft missiles.
    It is written that we should actually see. Our cabbage soup is not slurping over too. New Russia is our land!
  10. sever.56
    sever.56 28 November 2014 19: 07
    +3
    "The pilots have already finished mastering them ..." Our guys, I'm 1000% sure, will shoot them down just as successfully! Welcome to Hell!!!
  11. usinsk 71
    usinsk 71 28 November 2014 19: 10
    +4
    to the tricky fifth point - there is a bolt with a special thread .... And in this case, just give time.
    1. Former tank crew
      Former tank crew 28 November 2014 22: 23
      -1
      Quote: usinsk 71
      to the tricky fifth point - there is a bolt with a special thread .... And in this case, just give time.

      However, on the threaded bolt there is an ass with a turn ... So then ...
  12. pascal309
    pascal309 28 November 2014 19: 14
    +2
    The militias can buy the Verba MANPADS and the problems will be solved.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 28 November 2014 19: 44
      +1
      Militias can buy MANPADS "Verba"

      Amateur detected. Willow hits only 6400 meters (Igla-S at 6000)
  13. vladstro
    vladstro 28 November 2014 19: 14
    0
    Will they buy kerosene for flights in RUSSIA again? belay it’s time to invent your own ancient planes from straw and sackcloth, it will be at least patriotic. But seriously, it seems to me that the ukrolüftwaffe was flying off in the summer, and now even though at least daytime helicopters will hardly help them. They will fall, and there will be a stink from the west that the Russians are again to blame.
    1. opus
      opus 28 November 2014 19: 35
      +4
      Quote: vladstro
      Will they buy kerosene for flights in RUSSIA again?

      Lisichansk Refinery

      Kremenchug refinery

      Odessa refinery

      Drohobych Refinery

      Mariupol Refinery

      Kerosene TS-1 avia, premium, peeled, Kiev (200 liter barrel = 4 300 UAH.
      from 3 pcs., Kharkov 15.75 UAH / l)


      Oil





      ====================
      You also write that they have no ore, pig iron, steel
      1. vladstro
        vladstro 28 November 2014 19: 50
        +3
        Well, how did you harness for them, Hitler also had all of Europe under his feet, and rushed for oil for us, Romania could not cope, so for a couple of dozen sorties kerosene TS-1 avia is enough for them if the sponsors help, but if there are enough crocodiles ?
        1. ALABAY45
          ALABAY45 28 November 2014 20: 52
          0
          Oh, can you give the results "for a couple of dozen sorties" ..?! They're not New Year's gifts, after all ... They probably have pistols, or not ..?!
        2. opus
          opus 28 November 2014 20: 57
          +5
          Quote: vladstro
          Well, how did you harness for them, Hitler too

          1. I didn’t "harness" for "them"
          2. To assert that "they" have nothing - CRETINISM.
          / The same as the Ukrainians say: that he is the best, the progenitors of mankind, and invented the wheel and the constitution
          3. I so, for UO I will remind, after the collapse of the USSR, the Ukrainian SSR was the 2nd in terms of industry and natural potential
          Quote: vladstro
          , and for oil we were eager

          I recall:
          December 18, 1940 directive of the Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht No. 21.
          Army Group South: It included the 6th Army, 11th Army, 17th Army, 4th Romanian Army, 1st Tank Group - total 57 divisions
          MORE than Center and North
          -task: to deprive the resources of the USSR (Ukraine and the Caucasus), and not "ditch" Moscow, Leningrad
          ---------------
          And you squeak out of stupidity (so despicable, on the wave of "uryapatriotizma"
          Quote: vladstro
          Well, how did you harness for them


          Quote: vladstro
          so for a couple of dozen sorties, TS-1 kerosene aviation will be enough for them if sponsors help, but will there be enough crocodiles?

          A ludicrous statement.
          -What is the "war economy" of Time you have?
          -Ukraine = Production of kerosene in 2010 :7 barrels per day (1b = 119,2 liters) =
          876 120 liters per day
          Mi-24A: Average fuel consumption: 780 l / h
          to count?
          -Only (!) Lisichansk Refinery:
          For storage of crude oil and finished product ramified commodity-raw material economy with 187 reservoirs with a total capacity is used 1,3 million cubic meters.
          Quote: vladstro
          But will there be enough crocodiles?

          270 helicopters belong to Ukraine

          / You can throw idiots with hats, but will there be any sense in defeating idiots?
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 29 November 2014 00: 42
            +1
            Quote: opus
            3. I so, for UO I will remind, after the collapse of the USSR, the Ukrainian SSR was the 2nd in terms of industry and natural potential

            Wait do not believe. They say science fiction.
            Quote: opus
            total 57 divisions
            MORE than Center and North
            -task: to deprive the resources of the USSR (Ukraine and the Caucasus), and not "ditch" Moscow, Leningrad

            North is the weakest group.
            However, in the south also the spacecraft group was strong. However, Odessa was left when the Moscow battle began. Where Odessa is from the border and where is Moscow.
            Well, the resource base in Ukraine also included the defense industry, in addition to the food of the ports and other things ... it’s good that most of it was transported ..
            However, the capture of Ukraine and the Caucasus would have ensured, if not a complete victory for the Wehrmacht, but it would have definitely determined it. Moscow is not necessary to take (Napoleon)
            Quote: opus
            / You can throw idiots with hats, but will there be any sense in defeating idiots?

            RYAV and Finnish - examples of harsh punishment from cap-and-tape building ..
            1. opus
              opus 29 November 2014 18: 34
              0
              Quote: Cristall
              would definitely define it. Moscow is not necessary to take (Napoleon)

              so am I talking about.
              Whatever it is now (what Ukraine has been brought to), it is in any case a Country / Republic with a strong industrial and raw material potential.
              And to think that "this is how everything is ruined" is not true.
              remember Russia, after the WWII and during / after the Civil War: there was nothing, the whole world is against us, intervention, nothing, and so on. ONCE: the trains went, shells, cartridges were issued.
              And withstood
          2. vladstro
            vladstro 29 November 2014 19: 50
            0
            Comrade, if you noticed, I commented (and now seriously), and there was enough kerosene clearly, but would there be enough crocodiles, and I’ll add if there are more pilots who will be naughty in a peaceful village, city, etc. If there is one, then the militia will land them, and it’s not Ukrainians who thinks in crocodiles, but you don’t have to lay out tables, not a single liter of your ultra-clean kerosene will get into tanks until the bills have been paid, and the dealers in Ukraine can count.
            1. vladstro
              vladstro 29 November 2014 20: 17
              0
              It’s just that you drive your car, and you run out of fuel, you call in a gas station that you know like, and the owner is the same, but as luck would have it in your pocket, you will refuel him and then I will bring money, and he’s sorry, the loot has changed, and that’s it your pepelats at all existing refineries will stand. If American friends don’t throw the very loot, then everything will spin. But it seems to me that the Americans are tired of the Ukrainians with their whining about the money, they give nothing to the point.
      2. starik80
        starik80 28 November 2014 22: 30
        0
        This is in the past.
        1. opus
          opus 28 November 2014 23: 51
          +2
          Quote: starik80
          This is in the past.

          Seriously? except for the shelling of the Lisichansk Refinery, I HAVE NOT heard anything.
          The main volume of primary processing is provided by two refineries - Lysychansk (46,1% of oil refining in Ukraine in 2010) and Kremenchug (34,6%).

          Refinery Controlling shareholder Refining capacity (mln tons) Region
          Kremenchug refinery (Privat group) 18.6 Poltava region
          Lisichansk Oil Refinery (Rosneft) 8.0 Lugansk region
          Kherson Refinery (Alliance Group (Russia)) 7.1 Kherson Region
          Drogobych Refinery (Alfa-nafta and Privat group) 3.5 Lviv region
          Odessa Refinery (VETEK Group) 2.8 Odessa region
          Nadvirniansky oil refinery (group Privat 2.6) Ivano-Frankivsk region


          The average load level of Ukrainian refineries does not exceed 21% (according to the country's needs).
          And what about:

          Open letter from the Odessa Refinery labor collective to the country's leadership (November 2014)
          To the President of Ukraine P. Poroshenko
          To the Prime Minister of Ukraine A. Yatsenyuk
          To the Prosecutor General of Ukraine V. Yareme
          Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine A. Avakov
          Head of the Supreme Council A. Turchinov
          Head of the Security Service of Ukraine V. Nalivaychenko
  14. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 28 November 2014 19: 14
    +2
    While our border, everything will be fine, break through.
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  16. Balamyt
    Balamyt 28 November 2014 19: 16
    +6
    Let's be realistic! Crops can only be helped by a real invisible hat complete with a magic wand. Everything else is from the realm of fiction! wassat laughing
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  18. mahnabar
    mahnabar 28 November 2014 19: 17
    +1
    And who will teach the pilots to use these devices? The cat Matroskin and Buba from Odessa, the original coupletist? As a former military pilot, I boldly declare these devices without detailed study in combat units and the subsequent development of acquired skills on the FIELD are useless. And in real battle (and the brothers - the militias are quite champions there) dill will remain dill, even though you’re using it with a club ... and how many dill left to fly? The rest are all urgently sick with dearrhea, I give a tooth
  19. 31rus
    31rus 28 November 2014 19: 20
    +6
    You read it so you think who is more zombie, but the reality is not too much, experts tell me what threat from these turntables
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 28 November 2014 19: 33
      +6
      The network is full of videos where users use a thermal imager .. It will be about the same .. He flew up to the block post at an effective distance of 1.5-2 km for his guns .. hung .. People came out openly. 0 queue .. corpses ..
      1. saag
        saag 28 November 2014 19: 41
        +3
        Quote: dvina71
        The network is full of videos where users use a thermal imager .. It will be about the same .. He flew up to the block post at an effective distance of 1.5-2km for his guns .. hung .. People came out openly. 0 queue .. corpses.


        I saw a video of how this was done in Iraq, but not with cannons, but with a rocket, a helicopter hovered and watching people ran to the truck, and then it came to an end
      2. starik80
        starik80 28 November 2014 22: 32
        0
        It can be heard much further.
    2. mahnabar
      mahnabar 28 November 2014 19: 44
      +1
      Yes, in fact, no. The unit installation of new equipment without detailed study and subsequent testing while the troops are ineffective in fact. Taking into account the experience gained (read p..zdy) from the militia, it can be reduced to zero
      1. saag
        saag 28 November 2014 19: 52
        +1
        Quote: Makhnabar
        Yes, in fact, no. The unit installation of new equipment without detailed study and subsequent testing while the troops are ineffective in fact. Taking into account the experience gained (read p..zdy) from the militia, it can be reduced to zero


        Well, they will gain experience, how else will you learn
        1. mahnabar
          mahnabar 28 November 2014 21: 49
          +1
          Like gitsa tanunah .you have no idea how hard it is to go kill ....
    3. Cristall
      Cristall 29 November 2014 00: 34
      0
      Quote: 31rus
      You will read so think about who is more zombie, and reality is not too

      cheers patriots and slogans ... it was already up to 41 (a little blood on the territory of the enemy)
      we must also understand that they work more on Yusu than on the Russian Federation.
      Quote: 31rus
      experts tell me what a threat from these turntables

      I support. Although I read and posted about the modification (this is still 2012)
      it is likely that something else has improved / changed. But the weapons are complex ..
  20. pensioner
    pensioner 28 November 2014 19: 23
    +9
    As if we were not joking over ukroletunami, but the fact that for all the time there was not a single (not one !!) flight by plane / helicopter to the territory of Russia suggests that the flyers are fighting ideologically.
    1. Vasek
      Vasek 28 November 2014 19: 53
      +3
      Quote: retired
      war flyers ideologically.

      Here somewhere they wrote that the Nikolaev fliers are reinforced by ideological $ 2.000 per flight.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 29 November 2014 00: 37
      +1
      Quote: retired
      There was not a single (not a single !!) flight by plane / helicopter to the territory of Russia suggests that flyers are fighting ideologically.

      Not out of an idea, but out of fear. Torn towards our border - guaranteed destruction at the border! Ours will later understand how and why. Crossing the border with a combat helicopter with ammunition without permission is a real threat to the population of the Russian Federation.
  21. avvg
    avvg 28 November 2014 19: 26
    0
    Night versions of helicopters are just "show-off", there will be no sense, already nothing to multiply dill.
  22. Tribuns
    Tribuns 28 November 2014 19: 26
    +7
    The firing range of the MI-24P is up to 7,5 km ... The artillery used by the punishers shells the territory of Novorossiya much greater than these helicopters, the range is up to 15 km, and TochkaU is about 30 km ... But the purpose of the helicopter - close combat, in which these helicopters will be in the zone of fire of the Donbass militia ... By the way, if the militias have "their own people" at the Konotop Aircraft Repair Plant, they could give the frequency characteristics of the Adros suppression system - to detect these helicopters at night and destruction ... For every action of the junta there must be opposition from the Donbass militia!
    1. KOH
      KOH 28 November 2014 19: 33
      +1
      If the plant has its own people, then in theory they should only take off ... nothing is known about the landing ... An eyewitness account ... Smoked, then how it goes ... fellow
      1. igor67
        igor67 29 November 2014 12: 24
        +1
        Quote: CON
        If the plant has its own people, then in theory they should only take off ... nothing is known about the landing ... An eyewitness account ... Smoked, then how it goes ... fellow

        Children’s babble, the staff there is very well-coordinated, in the summer there was already an attempt by saboteurs to get into the factory, they took one, though they managed to destroy museum exhibits, just in the summer there was an attempt to change the management, you know whose side the whole factory came out in support of the enterprise’s management, the management is all former military since Soviet times, there are Russians,
  23. polite people
    polite people 28 November 2014 19: 31
    +2
    But God is not on their side and good luck.
    1. Sorry
      Sorry 28 November 2014 19: 33
      +1
      What will you eat in the spring? Think and look around ... God has bad hope if it is not in the head.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 28 November 2014 19: 47
        +4
        Not in the spring .. Soon already .. Only the ground will freeze and the equipment will trample. While they are limited by roads, and this makes them easy targets.
  24. IAlex
    IAlex 28 November 2014 19: 31
    0
    Well, if only we can complain about the box and do not give a damn more, believing that the problem itself will somehow be resolved, then the Ukrainians will soon not only have abrams, but they themselves will come to the Kremlin (though in a German pet cage, but with Germans masters) ...
  25. EGR
    EGR 28 November 2014 19: 32
    +1
    It won't help them ... "heavenly punishment will befall them" ...
  26. Kosta153
    Kosta153 28 November 2014 19: 38
    +3
    What are you all saying? Herald of Mordovia, where did the information come from? Herald of Mordovia ... The best messenger.
  27. Sorry
    Sorry 28 November 2014 19: 38
    -21
    The same mentality as the Russians. At first they put all the troops and aviation unprepared in battle, but now they come to their senses. So it was with the Russian Federation in Chechnya and in the war with Georgia on 8.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. Then, too, all the aircraft of the Russian Federation were shot down. And now they come to their senses and began to arm the army, but even the Russian Federation is far from NATO.
    1. KOH
      KOH 28 November 2014 19: 48
      +7
      Well, well, all the troops laid down, especially in Georgia ... one East battalion shook them so hard that the rodents almost ran away to Armenia ...
    2. Knifebot.
      Knifebot. 28 November 2014 19: 52
      +6
      Excuse me when it was all the aviation of the Russian Federation was shot down? This has not happened at all over the past 90 years.

      As for "far from NATO," it generally depends on what to look at, in terms of costs - definitely far, in terms of efficiency - not very far.
    3. Vasek
      Vasek 28 November 2014 20: 00
      +4
      Quote: Pardon
      in the war with Georgia on 8.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, then too all aviation of the Russian Federation was shot down.

      You, Pardon, or a troll, or a moron.
      1. Sorry
        Sorry 28 November 2014 20: 20
        -20
        Not all, but which on the first day participated in the war. After heavy losses, the Russian aviation was no longer used there. Go to normal sites, and there are only one zombies of Russian propaganda, so you don’t want to see or hear anything around. Most of them have the same hatred for Ukrainians as they have for Russians. What’s good about this? This is kvass patriotism, soon you you will understand it.
        1. Knifebot.
          Knifebot. 28 November 2014 20: 29
          +1
          Well, the fact that a strong "comrade" was formed here with an uncritical perception is not news, but the Russian Federation used aviation throughout the entire duration of any of these conflicts.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 November 2014 20: 39
          +5
          Quote: Pardon
          Not all, but which on the first day participated in the war.

          Nda ... Are you sure that you yourself are not zombied, dear? Fight such game that it becomes a shame for you.

          Yes, there were losses, rather high losses. But the Georgians had practically nothing to do with them.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 28 November 2014 21: 39
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            Fight such game that it becomes a shame for you.

            Not that you - they say about food because Muscovites eat hedgehogs laughing , that’s aviation we’ve lost everything .... Bida-Pichal.
        3. Vasek
          Vasek 28 November 2014 20: 55
          +6
          Quote: Pardon
          hatred of the Ukrainians, as they have for the Russians.

          Hatred is a sign of inferiority. Personally, I have no hatred for either Ukrainians, Georgians, or any other kind of people.
          Everywhere there are worthy representatives, as well as dishonoring their people. To the latter I include those who very quickly forgot the price of World War 2 for the peoples of the former USSR.
          And, in this regard, there is absolutely no respect for the actions of Saakashvule, demolishing monuments to the fallen Georgian soldiers, or the leadership of the current Young Europeans, heroizing the SS and demonizing the Red Army.
        4. mrFix
          mrFix 28 November 2014 20: 56
          +5
          Such nonsense only on the "censor" of your "nezombirovannyh" brothers in mind will pass.
          Here is the chronology of aviation
          http://newsruss.ru/doc/index.php/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%8
          F_%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5_%D0
          %9F%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%
          B9% D0% BD% D1% 8B
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 28 November 2014 21: 02
            +3
            Half the truth. It is not indicated that our infantry and the Kudar militias turned out to be the most dangerous adversary of our aircraft.
        5. VAF
          VAF 28 November 2014 21: 01
          +10
          Quote: Pardon
          Not all, but which on the first day participated in the war. After heavy losses, the Russian aviation was no longer used there. Visit normal sites


          Hey .... but you don’t want to talk to me .. with the pilot, who made his first flight at 04.30. Moscow time on December 11, 1994
          And "introduce" me to these "witnesses" of "incalculable losses" of something there .... and what and who else .. did not change? wassat
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 28 November 2014 21: 40
            +4
            Quote: vaf
            Hey .... but you don’t want to talk to me .. with the pilot, who made his first flight at 04.30. Moscow time on December 11, 1994

            No one is willing at once. And how cool it is to walk on the ears ...
          2. family tree
            family tree 29 November 2014 13: 34
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            The first flight took off at 04.30. Moscow time on December 11, 1994

            Pancake! Seryoga, you thought you were older, I’m sorry about you, I can quickly switch what
        6. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 28 November 2014 21: 23
          +1
          Quote: Pardon
          Most here have the same hatred for Ukrainians as they have for Russians.

          You have a distorted perception of reality ... We do not have hatred, well, NO request Go to the censor, that's where the clinic is crying ...
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 29 November 2014 00: 48
            0
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            Go to the censor, that's where the clinic is crying ...

            Well, let him cry. Why try the clinic on the whole country.? I don’t go there, many people go to neighing. Many just read and don’t knock. And that sane.
            And there are irresponsible articles on VO - with mats and other things.
            1. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 29 November 2014 00: 54
              +2
              Quote: Cristall
              And there are irresponsible articles on VO - with mats and other things.


              Facts in the studio ...
              Quote: Cristall
              I don’t go there, many go to neigh

              In vain, go. To understand what is mass psychosis of an endogenous nature ...
              You will never see such a thing in Russia (with rare exceptions) ...
        7. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 28 November 2014 21: 34
          +1
          Excuse me, but if you sprinkle with hatred for those mentioned above, then ... the woodpecker is YOU.
        8. Avis24
          Avis24 28 November 2014 21: 35
          +4
          I flew 9 hours from August 26 to 56. You have bad sources
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 28 November 2014 21: 49
            +1
            How often did yours fall under "friendly"?
        9. Victor-M
          Victor-M 28 November 2014 23: 38
          +1
          Quote: Pardon
          This is kvas patriotism, soon you will understand it.

          Kvass is not cola, drink "Nikolu". laughing
    4. VAF
      VAF 28 November 2014 20: 52
      +5
      Quote: Pardon
      . So it was with the Russian Federation in Chechnya


      Dill "sent" to puff something "zaboristy", what..hayns flooded? fool
  28. Nessie
    Nessie 28 November 2014 19: 40
    +6
    The Ukrainian army is not the one that started to fight. The militia taught them to fight. Kiev realized that Novorossia is a serious force and is preparing the army to withstand this force. So in vain you underestimate the vse. In the DNI and LC, it will be difficult for militias to have many specialists. but they will win.
  29. Knifebot.
    Knifebot. 28 November 2014 19: 47
    0
    Well, here the train had already left in general, to the regiment it was non-factor, although of course there is nothing good for the militias.
  30. kelevra
    kelevra 28 November 2014 19: 50
    +1
    As they appear, they fall!
  31. stranik72
    stranik72 28 November 2014 19: 52
    +13
    Gentlemen, the problem of the Banderlog modernized MIs is the problem of our authorities (I don’t want to write betrayal) the banderlogs do not have a VR-24 repair base, (she stayed in Lugansk), there are no HB and RV blades, and there’s much more that you cannot lift a helicopter into the air without , yes it’s possible from the Czech Republic or another country, even through the CIS countries, they made a fuss, bought components, assemblies and repair kits in the Russian Federation, only the order to track (ban) all sales of military equipment and its components for Ukraine was given no more than 3 months ago . Regarding thermal imagers, etc., there are a lot of options here, from France to South Africa and Israel, so modernization is possible and they have a basis, they carried out similar work back in the 90s. You don’t especially need to worry about the rocket, it’s a slightly modernized analogue of the assault and the control channel is the same, not very scary, about 7,5 km, let’s try, the probability of hitting a target like a tank, even under ideal conditions, does not exceed 0,15, the price of 1 rocket is almost $ 150 thousand and it is unlikely that they will be massively used, especially since their quality is in question, as far as I know, it has not passed the full test cycle. The combat use of a helicopter at night or in difficult weather conditions using installed gadgets is effective, subject to the high professionalism of the flight crew and low professionalism of the army of New Russia, and this is excluded in both cases. And the quality of the repair used by the fuel and lubricants is not ice, so the banderlogs using these helicopters will have a lot of problems, and the cost of the flight hour, depending on the time of application and tasks, is less than $ 6000 ... 10000 so let them fly , faster without pants left.
  32. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 28 November 2014 19: 52
    +1
    It is time to withdraw KAMAZs with vertical take-off to the Donetsk steppe (I want TOR2M)
  33. ZAM
    ZAM 28 November 2014 19: 54
    +2
    ...... don’t put the bags around ... Let them first install and fly. To listen to ukronovosti, so they have there completely terminators badge ... About the tank "supermodern" their identity said that everything is kapets, so what? It turns out that it is not designed for a non-positional war. They beat them up and grab them. Learn to kill them, these helicopters with these overseas gadgets. ... In Yugoslavia, these shameful invisibles were shot down from the old complexes, and they were cooler. Strength is where truth is ...
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 28 November 2014 21: 45
      0
      Quote: ZAM
      they have completely plaque terminators there ...


      ... and the CYBORGES in the aroport with packs of our T-72 butts finish ...
  34. pvv113
    pvv113 28 November 2014 19: 58
    +3
    Modernization of the “flying tanks” is carried out by the Konotop Aircraft Repair Plant Aviakon

    I had to deal with the products of the plant. Recently, quality is poor. hi
  35. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 28 November 2014 19: 59
    0
    War is war .. But civilians are killed for what ..? The militias could also bombard Mariopul every day ... or secretly drive the Grad to Kiev ... (just civilians will die) But if this (the bombing of Donetsk) continues, then I think no one will be able to restrain them in righteous anger ..! Kievans are an appeal to you! You will wait soon .. God forgive me ..
  36. NEXUS
    NEXUS 28 November 2014 20: 01
    0
    Quote: Balamyt
    Let's be realistic! Crops can only be helped by a real invisible hat complete with a magic wand. Everything else is from the realm of fiction! wassat laughing

    Well, the carpet they’re mastering laughing
  37. pensioner
    pensioner 28 November 2014 20: 02
    +4
    The "Borey" has just successfully fired off the "Bulava" from a submerged position! Hurray comrades! drinks Today - you can! yes
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    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 28 November 2014 20: 07
      +1
      Quote: retired
      The "Borey" has just successfully fired off the "Bulava" from a submerged position! Hurray comrades! drinks Today - you can! yes

      Now you can .. Yuri! drinks (I remember a year ago how they mocked unsuccessful launches) Debugged everything! Well, once again for our nuclear submarine and what is hidden there and if that "Bakhnet!" drinks
      1. ty60
        ty60 28 November 2014 21: 33
        +1
        So already in the tests, the continuation of Yars. The same shared warheads, the production of Satan must probably be resumed unnecessarily.
  38. Mindaugas
    Mindaugas 28 November 2014 20: 09
    +4
    Bandera is walking in Lviv, patrolling the city, a gun hangs on his shoulder .. Suddenly, an old nationalist approaches him and says:
    - Son, let me see the machine.
    Bandera hands the old man his weapons. The old man carefully looked at the barrel of the machine gun and declares to the young.
    - Be sure to have a fly.
    - Why, how will I aim?
    - You know, once I fought in the SS division - Galetchina, then the Russians caught me, took the machine gun and put it in my ass. So, I remember that the fly on the trunk was very much in the way ...
  39. Leonidych
    Leonidych 28 November 2014 20: 10
    +1
    and these morons, what else and helicopters remained?
  40. Nasrat
    Nasrat 28 November 2014 20: 16
    +18
    Ardent greetings to Konotop from Makeevka! Now 19.57.MSK 28.11.2014/4/1 Direction: -North-West, North-East, there is a battle, a glow on the floor of the sky. My son is 2 years old, watching cartoons, and next to my old bag he put in: - 3. Favorite machine ; 4. Cookies and three candies (to which he does not touch); 47-empty bubbles from grandmother's medicines and next to the toy AKM! MY SON IN ITS 300 YEARS IS ABLE TO DISTINCT INCOMING AND OUTLETING! And the first one, with the ENTRANCE, runs to a safe place in the apartment, as dad taught .......... In short, KONOTOP and others like him FACE or RUN !!!! WILL NOT FORGIVE! RUN KIDS KILLING CHILDREN !!!!!!! For reference, the price of the captured AK500 is XNUMX-XNUMX hryvnia. There will be nothing to eat, but I will find money on the trunk. All a peaceful sky above your head, those who have it.
    1. wanderer987
      wanderer987 28 November 2014 23: 32
      +2
      Nasrat
      - 1. Favorite machine; 2. Cookies and three candies (to which he does not touch); 3-empty bubbles from grandmother's medicines and next to the toy AKM!

      Such a people to win !!! soldier
      It would be good if politicians from Pendostan and their diapers read this text !!!
  41. Hauptam
    Hauptam 28 November 2014 20: 18
    0
    Jokes please joke? Who are the militias and who are the dill. Behind the latter stands the USA and NATO, and the grandmothers are unmeasured. Our 5th column will sell not only kerosene but all that you please. There is a war not of dill with the militia, but of Russia (the Slavic world) with the United States. And so far they are replaying us. And then thermal imagers, you know.
    1. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 28 November 2014 22: 59
      0
      You calm down, Vasya. Nobody is replaying us.
  42. TOR2
    TOR2 28 November 2014 20: 21
    +1
    Rain, fog, snow reduce the range of the thermal imager. You can reduce the temperature contrast simply by falling out in the snow, and I think these things will not survive until spring.
  43. African
    African 28 November 2014 20: 23
    +1
    Ivan Vasilievich changes his profession: - I also had such an inventor, I invented wings. And what did you do with it? Put on a barrel of gunpowder, let him fly. Let's see if there are anyone who wants to fly again.
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 29 November 2014 01: 03
      0
      Poor Carlson! crying
  44. jPilot
    jPilot 28 November 2014 20: 26
    +1
    Well put thermal imagers, well, trained to use technically. But tactical use is a completely different matter, and even use from a long distance to exclude defeat ..... nu-nu. They didn’t shine with daytime tactics but want to surprise at night No. And even more so, take into account that the front line does not have clear boundaries ... the likelihood of using it in your own way is not just great but huge. Dill in the afternoon then periodically beat their own, and at night, even more so. And taking into account that even with a thermal imager, flight to the PMV (extremely low altitude) is practically impossible, then the helicopter also turns into a good target.
  45. Yarik
    Yarik 28 November 2014 20: 30
    0
    Iline RU Today, 19:10 ↑ New
    Quote: Giant thought
    With or without thermal imagers, the Ukrainian Mi-24s will get off with militia quite successfully.
    Let’s still not engage in hats. A problem arose that threatened the lives of many militias and civilians. Question: where did the Ukrovs get the optical-electronic gyro-stabilized platform of the "Sagem" company? Western humanitarian aid? And if the Barrier-V guided missiles are aimed at it, then this is a big problem. We can only hope for the fact that there are very few of these Mi-24s left in dill, and since summer they are very much afraid to use their aircraft.


    From where, where did it come from .... (The modernization of the "flying tanks" is carried out by Konotop Aviakon Aircraft Repair Plant.) Kakly pile on the factory laughing
    1. ty60
      ty60 28 November 2014 21: 37
      0
      Sagem-French
  46. Svist
    Svist 28 November 2014 20: 35
    +3
    All the latest achievements are against their own people ... Creatures.
    1. prio124
      prio124 29 November 2014 00: 38
      0
      Yes, they don’t consider Donbass as their own. They forgot that Julia was about 8 mil. the man said, “What did you want to destroy there?”
  47. meriem1
    meriem1 28 November 2014 20: 41
    +1
    It remains to test MANPADS of the last generation. I’m waiting. The war has been going on for a long time, the systems are being tested. The Americans want to know WHO and WHO ........ I look forward to.
  48. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 28 November 2014 20: 44
    +6
    It is urgent to carry out sabotage actions to destroy military equipment at the factories of Ukraine. As well as intimidation actions to destroy the designers and directors of these plants. They are preparing a superweapon against the citizens of New Russia. Death to the fascists and fascist henchmen!
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 28 November 2014 22: 57
      0
      Quote: Алексей_К
      It is urgent to carry out sabotage actions to destroy military equipment at the factories of Ukraine. As well as intimidation actions to destroy the designers and directors of these plants. They are preparing a superweapon against the citizens of New Russia. Death to the fascists and fascist henchmen!

      It’s too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fall off, and here’s the Minsk conspiracy.
  49. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 28 November 2014 20: 52
    +1
    and from 12.7 mm they will be protected by embroidered shirts and military amulets
  50. Gray 43
    Gray 43 28 November 2014 20: 53
    +4
    Yes, hr..new news .... But, I hope, the "kulibins" from the air defense of the militia did not leave, there is opposition to any cunning device.