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Omsk plant ahead of schedule fulfilled the state order for the modernization of T-72B3 tanks

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Omsktransmash OJSC (part of Uralvagonzavod Corporation) ahead of schedule fulfilled the 2014 defense order for overhaul and modernization coming from the troops tanks T-72 B3, transmits TASS with reference to the press service of the enterprise.

Omsk plant ahead of schedule fulfilled the state order for the modernization of T-72B3 tanks


As part of the state order, the repair of the T-80 tanks was also completed. The repair was carried out under a contract with the SPC Uralvagonzavod.

According to Igor Lobov, Director General of the Omsk Plant, “the supply geography of repaired and modernized armored vehicles has expanded this year - T-72B3 have been delivered to military units of all military districts of the country”. True, most of the tanks sent to the Far East and the Novgorod region.

In addition, for the timely execution of the order, the plant supplied the tracks and other components to other plants belonging to the corporation Uralvagonzavod.

At present, the Omsk residents supply vehicles to the troops on account of the defense order for 2015.
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itar-tass.com
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  1. The fat man
    The fat man 27 November 2014 17: 32
    +6
    Got a hat and now soundly working
    1. Sergei-1982
      Sergei-1982 27 November 2014 17: 36
      +10
      Even if the t-72b3 is still better than nothing, although it could have been better modernized.
      1. enot73
        enot73 27 November 2014 18: 01
        +4
        some photos and video T - 72B3
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 27 November 2014 19: 22
          +3
          Quote: enot73
          photos and video T - 72

          Alexander,
          The second photo of the T-72B3 complete with Arena-E.
          Third photo of the T-90.
          1. enot73
            enot73 27 November 2014 20: 38
            +1
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Alexander,
            The second photo of the T-72B3 complete with Arena-E.
            Third photo of the T-90.

            Alex, thanks for the comment. Indeed, some modifications of the T - 90 are very similar to the modernized T - 72. At the core is the same machine.
          2. -Dmitry-
            -Dmitry- 28 November 2014 02: 49
            0
            3 photos are T72B3 - at T-90 The curtains are in place of the bare DZ holes. These "holes" this chip is exactly T72B3.
            On the 2 photo I don’t see any arena.
            So that everything is past.
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 1 December 2014 16: 09
              +1
              Quote: -Dmitry-
              3 photos are T72B3 - at T-90 The curtains are in place of the bare DZ holes. These "holes" this chip is exactly T72B3.

              Dmitry, do you think that only ON THIS sign can it be possible to distinguish the T-90?
              Well, look at least at the gunner’s day and night sight, Curtain, DZ, VLD, smoke exhaust receivers ... well, if you really want to believe that this is the T-72Б3, then take a look at the commander’s device and ZPU ...
              Well, what else can I say ... then probably this is not a question for me, then drive to the Indians - they will explain to you.

              Quote: -Dmitry-
              On the 2 photo I don’t see any arena.

              Ordinary "Arena-E" ...
              The whole exhibition in Nizhny Tagil in the 2013 year saw this and you do not ...
              Eheh.
              It happens.

              You won’t believe me all the more, but on the 4 photo - THIS is the same machine as on the 2 photo: T-72Б3 with KAZ Arena-E.
              That's all I do not understand your koment - why such self-confidence and with such sarcasm?
              It seems like a bucket of lithol did not whistle for you ... the doselnik did not break ...
              request
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 27 November 2014 18: 14
        +11
        Very many tankers criticize modernization for obviously outdated equipment, the poor ergonomics of crew equipment and the lack of increased armor protection.
        There was a very good overview with a photo of this car, personally I don’t understand the decision to remove the remote control of the machine gun, the Syrian tankers speak of him as a necessary thing.
    2. Juborg
      Juborg 27 November 2014 17: 59
      +9
      Why the old stuff to drive? Campaign loot washed !!! They can’t offer anything new. But you can send a Russian soldier to the slaughter in junk, so what? Why insecure obsolete machine. This B3 has half-meter holes in the frontal and aft protection, and the roof is generally bare.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 27 November 2014 18: 54
        +12
        Quote: juborg
        Why the old stuff to drive? Campaign loot washed !!! They can’t offer anything new.

        It's simple: the development of "Armata" takes time and money. At the same time, until recently, there were practically no modern tanks in the army. Purchases of T-90s were in homeopathic quantities. And at this time in the ranks were "bald" T-62 and even T-55. It turned out that the main part of the armored vehicles was actually incapable of combat - in modern combat, the value of these tanks was negative.

        The following option was chosen: instead of "spot" deliveries of 2 battalion sets of T-90s per year, start a massive modernization of the T-72B to B3 (they could have been made three or four times more than the T-90). Thus, it was possible to tighten the bulk of the armored vehicles to a level just below the T-90. And the rest of the funds from the T-90 program were thrown into the "armature".
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 27 November 2014 19: 19
        +10
        One new tank will not replace 10 old ones. The basis of our T72 troops and their modifications cannot be replaced in the near future, but it is quite possible to strengthen their capabilities with modernization. We need mass, and not a couple of new booster machines. Over time, Armata and others will appear, but these will be small parties for a long time. According to the number of tanks, we are in the first place for a long time and this provides us with superiority over even newer, but smaller enemy tanks. But in the air, for example, we are weaker, and here we have to catch up and buy in bulk if not the newest, but cheaper and comparable cars in terms of parameters. It is necessary to rearm the army faster, and not to trump a couple of new cars. It seems to me like that.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 27 November 2014 18: 02
      +11
      Upgrading the T-72B to the T-72B3 level costs 52 million rubles in 2013 prices, of which 30 million is spent on overhauling the tank, the remaining amount is spent on the purchase of new devices selected by the customer.

      Means of observation and communication

      A multi-channel Sosna-U sight developed by the Belarusian enterprise Peleng was installed on the tank. The TPD-K1 of the 1A40 complex from the T-72B tank was left in the OMS. The sight of the tank commander is TKN-3MK, which is a modernization of the Soviet TKN-3 sight with the Double system and the 2nd generation image intensifier. The communication system consists of a VHF radio station of the R-168-25U-2 “Aqueduct” range. It includes 2 transceivers. Provides open, disguised or classified radio communications. It has been produced by the Ryazan Radio Plant since 2005.

      Chassis and engine

      Caterpillar tracks traditional for the T-72 family, replaced with new ones with a parallel hinge to improve performance and increase resource. The tank is equipped with V-shaped multi-fuel four-stroke diesel engines V-84-1 with a capacity of 840 liters. with. with a specific power of 18,88 liters. S. / t., overhauled.

      weaponry

      The gun is a 125 mm 2A46M-5 smoothbore gun. The gun received improved lead-type ammunition shells. Anti-aircraft machine gun lost the remote control and transferred to manual mode.

      In aggregate, of the innovations, only the Belarusian Sosna-U sight and modern digital communication systems, everything else 30 years ago from the base model. There are no GLONASS receivers for the crew to determine the location of the tank. Instead of the new V-92S2 engines (1000 hp), there are B-84-1 engines with a capacity of 840 liters. with. after major repairs. According to the GABTU, the installation of old engines in tanks occurred due to the late conclusion of a contract with Uralvagonzavod. Instead of the modern “Relict” dynamic defense, the old “Contact-5” stands. T-72M1, designed for Algeria at the same price, is equipped much better. In the Russian version of modernization, electronics is far behind modern tanks.

      In the future, it is possible to equip the Kalina JMA, which is installed on the T-90SM tank and the 93 hp V-1130 engine.
      1. Sergei-1982
        Sergei-1982 27 November 2014 18: 16
        +3
        In the future, it is possible to equip the Kalina JMA, which is installed on the T-90SM tank and the 93 hp V-1130 engine.
        If I'm not mistaken on modernization machines in 2014, it costs 1130 lot, at least another machine participated in the biotlon and they said that from 2014 the cars will go to these configurations.
      2. max702
        max702 27 November 2014 18: 30
        +15
        I sincerely hope that tankers will not have to fight on this "modernization" .. Maybe it will cost and the resource of these machines will be spent exclusively on exercises, because in a real battle all this "novye" will come out sideways .. And I would very much like to hear the names of those who this "modernization" "accepted, approved and signed am So that their names are known not only by the firing squad, but also by other citizens of the country. And I don’t doubt that this will happen (the shooting of the guilty, if you still have to fight).
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 27 November 2014 19: 02
          +6
          Your options?
          Continue purchasing T-90s with 2 battalion sets per year? And how much would it take to rearm the army at such a rate? And if you consider that the T-90 is also a modernized T-72, which was simply given a new index? And "armata" will not be at least until 2015?

          Do you remember what our army rode on before the decision on the T-72B3 was made? In Georgia, "bald" T-62s went into battle. T-55 was rolled out on Sakhalin. It was necessary to urgently raise the average level, and not rearm 2 battalions a year.
          1. max702
            max702 27 November 2014 20: 51
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Your options?

            I'm not saying that the modernization shouldn't have been done, but that HOW it was done! Exclusively on ot..is and in order to cut the dough! The example is given "T-72M1, intended for Algeria at the same price, is equipped much better" and this is for a foreign customer (with the corresponding taxes, kickbacks, customs payments). Could it have been done much better for the native country? Can! Regarding the t-62, t-55. This is the fault of our grief strategists, there are enough tanks in Russia, the t-72 and t-80, but they are expensive and their generals feel sorry for them .. So the fuel oil is fighting on the t-62 and t-55 all questions to our military leaders ..
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 28 November 2014 13: 51
              0
              Quote: max702
              I'm not saying that the modernization shouldn't have been done, but that HOW it was done! Exclusively on ot..is and in order to cut the dough! The example is given "T-72M1, intended for Algeria at the same price, is equipped much better" and this is for a foreign customer (with the corresponding taxes, kickbacks, customs payments).

              With the Algerian tank is not so simple. The fact is that this amount includes the cost of modernization only from the Russian side:
              Algeria does not disassemble its tank "to the screw". The actual work on the "capital" is carried out by local specialists at their local TRZ. The Russian side only supplies components and carries out work directly on their installation and setting-up

              http://topwar.ru/24679-t-72b3-kak-zerkalo-rossiyskoy-deystvitelnosti.html

              That is, the real cost of T-72M1 of Algeria is higher due to the work carried out by the Algerian side.
        2. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 27 November 2014 19: 25
          +2
          Quote: max702
          And I would very much like to hear the names of those who accepted this "modernization", approved and signed

          Signed Makarkin and a stool.
      3. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 27 November 2014 19: 19
        +1
        I’ll fix it a bit, Sergey:
        Quote: Sith Lord
        The sight of the tank commander is TKN-3MK, which is the modernization of the Soviet TKN-3 sight with the “Double” system and the 2 generation ICT.

        The "Double" system is not included in TKN-3MK, it is an external option for Sosny-U.

        Quote: Sith Lord
        Anti-aircraft machine gun lost the remote control and transferred to manual mode.

        The T-72 never had a remote control of the ZPU.

        Quote: Sith Lord
        2A46M-5

        Not all B3 machines, unfortunately.
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt 27 November 2014 23: 39
      0
      But where are the tanks so dumbfounded that they are constantly being repaired at the factory? Really on a tank biathlon? Yours is not clear. request First there was an article that everyone would be replaced by Armata, and then the T-72 would do. Can anyone explain?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 28 November 2014 13: 42
        0
        Nowhere. This is a technique from storage bases - T-72 of previous modifications, which are upgraded to B3.
    6. Metal
      Metal 28 November 2014 06: 18
      0
      Who got the hat?
  2. Giant thought
    Giant thought 27 November 2014 17: 33
    +8
    Thanks Omsk for their well-coordinated and productive work for our Army.
  3. Neighbor
    Neighbor 27 November 2014 17: 33
    +5
    Good, but not specific, on modernization, what's new?
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    2. Znayka
      Znayka 27 November 2014 18: 35
      +3
      In terms of modernization, practically nothing new !!! The armor protection is especially depressing ... When there is a remote control "Relikt", put "Contact-5" ... negative These "figures" who made the decision to install the "Contact-5" DZ in this modernization should be put into a tank and shot from grenade launchers with a tandem warhead !!!!!!!!!!
      1. Znayka
        Znayka 27 November 2014 21: 24
        +2
        I read the comments to the article ... In the opinion of many, it is normal to change very old junk for modernized junk ..? Think about it, the tanks are not robots, but people! The front hemisphere of the T-72 B3 is not protected, under the turret ring is already two grenades from RPGs can "fly in" ..., "Contact-5" DZ with the current ATGMs with a tandem warhead is generally an anachronism, I'm not talking about (God forbid) "Javelin" ...
  4. LukaSaraev
    LukaSaraev 27 November 2014 17: 33
    +2
    The winners of social competitions - glory and honor. You give a five-year plan in three years !!
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 27 November 2014 17: 43
      0
      Increase labor productivity! Let's catch up and overtake America! And so that our tanks also smash our enemies! drinks
    2. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 27 November 2014 17: 43
      +1
      Increase labor productivity! Let's catch up and overtake America! And so that our tanks also smash our enemies! drinks
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 27 November 2014 17: 56
        +2
        Quote: Victor Kudinov
        Let's catch up and overtake America!

        .......... so far only in pivas and overtake
        1. Sergei-1982
          Sergei-1982 27 November 2014 18: 19
          +1
          while only on beer and overtake
          You are mistaken in the consumption of beer. USA overtakes Russia (USA 77 l of the Russian Federation 74).
  5. Drew
    Drew 27 November 2014 17: 35
    +5
    Explain, experts. Why are five modernized ones better than one new one? Or on the principle of "throw away anyway"?
    1. Magic archer
      Magic archer 27 November 2014 17: 38
      +5
      we have a huge number of T-72! And it’s much cheaper and easier to upgrade them than building new tanks! According to the official version, we are waiting for Armata. When it appears, all funds will be invested in the purchase of new tanks hi
      1. Penelope
        Penelope 27 November 2014 17: 40
        +4
        Work on the modernization of the T-72B3 tanks will be enough for many years to come, so that the plant will not remain without work.
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      3. Drew
        Drew 27 November 2014 17: 45
        +4
        thank! Just was sure that one Mercedes is better than five 2101
    2. Denis fj
      Denis fj 27 November 2014 17: 47
      +3
      Quote: Drew
      Explain, experts. Why are five modernized ones better than one new one? Or on the principle of "throw away anyway"?



      Russian tank T-90A
      costs about 3-3,2 million dollars.
      Its modernization - all the same 1-2 million dollars.
      That is, a Western tank for the same money can
      upgrade 5-10 times. Russian - 1-1,5
      times. Or in another way: instead of two modernized
      You can buy one new one with an initially higher
      resource and combat potential and still remain for parts.
      That’s the whole point. But this is relatively new
      Russian tanks. And if you take the situation with the modernization of the old ones,
      still Soviet-built T-72? VNIITM conducted feasibility studies
      modernization. According to him, it’s still somehow advisable to upgrade the T-72B
      but not earlier cars. In the end, the cost of modernization is several times higher
      their residual value. All this is a consequence of the original conceptual difference.
      "with us" and "with them". On the other hand, if we compare the concepts already, it is still unknown
      which is better - to have a high modernization potential (in terms of its economic
      component) or in the course of hostilities lose more expensive tanks (and there is no indestructible equipment).
      In the end, it’s not technology that wins wars, but economics. Here we take for example the recent Libya.
      I really remember the shot - the burnt T-72M1 from the close burst of a guided bomb mass
      judging by the funnel 500-1000kg. How much does this destroyed tank cost? And how much is this bomb?

      It's like throwing gold bullion into ants. And imagine a larger conflict?
      That is why the search for a compromise is important and the concept and strategy are very important, which we do not have now - everything is based on personal "wishes"
      the one in power
      1. Drew
        Drew 27 November 2014 17: 51
        +1
        damn, seriously, everything is like
      2. Sergei-1982
        Sergei-1982 27 November 2014 18: 23
        +2
        Modernization of Western cars is also very expensive, so they can be upgraded to Sabra 60 mil.dol, Abrams of the first models to the last about 4 mil.
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 27 November 2014 17: 47
      +9
      Quote: Drew
      explain specialists. Why are five upgraded ones better than one new?

      What is new?
      The T-72B3 is a "budget" upgrade, it is far from better than an expensive 72-ki upgrade called the T-90.
      Its task is to maintain the tank fleet in good condition and give work, and therefore Uralvagonzavod to develop.
      With the money saved at the same time, launch a new generation tank in the series, the so-called Armata.
      I also remind you that modernization is carried out during the overhaul, and not at the repair plant, but at the flagship of the tank industry.
      Overhaul of MBT (unlike a car, for example) is when it is completely disassembled, cleaned by sandblasting, primed, painted and assembled from new (repaired, tested) components and assemblies.
  6. Loner_53
    Loner_53 27 November 2014 17: 38
    +2
    Not bad, compared to the not-so-distant past hi
  7. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 27 November 2014 17: 40
    +1
    Good news
    Quote: Neighbor
    Good, but not specific, on modernization, what's new?

    but really incomplete!
    Are personnel being trained through vocational education, are there young defense engineering personnel?
    Just so that the repairs of these years are not the last and that people who are in love with their profession are engaged in modernization!
    1. Drew
      Drew 27 November 2014 17: 43
      +1
      but with the frames, something full! Neither schools nor those wishing to enter them. No jobs again, in our city, at least.
  8. Nonik
    Nonik 27 November 2014 17: 40
    -4
    This is certainly good, but is it necessary at all? The article was that modernized was somehow of little use. It was necessary to concentrate immediately on Armata and reduce the cost of its production. 400 million is actually a fox price. It is justified only if it is invincible in principle and does not penetrate at all due to active protection. But this is unreal?
    1. Sergei-1982
      Sergei-1982 27 November 2014 18: 25
      0
      It was necessary to concentrate immediately on Armata and reduce the cost of its production
      Yeah, they concentrated on project 22350 and so that urgently had to buy 11356.
    2. ilya_oz
      ilya_oz 27 November 2014 21: 54
      0
      The normal price, if there will be a new DZ, an active defense system with radars, an uninhabited tower, etc. etc.
  9. shtraib
    shtraib 27 November 2014 17: 41
    +2
    It is necessary to order upgrades more expensive, more equipped.
  10. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 27 November 2014 17: 41
    +3
    Quote: Drew
    Why are five upgraded ones better than one new?


    But is it possible that new T-72s are produced, the modernized old ones will last ten years, and then they will arrive on the Armat platform.
    1. AKM9
      AKM9 27 November 2014 18: 56
      +1
      Proceed from the fact that no more than a thousand units will enter service with the Armata, and the main part of the fleet will be T-72B3, so they could modernize better. The frontal part of the tower is not covered at all, and the militants in Syria fell from RPGs to much more protected places. An article about the T-72B3, but I want to look at the T-90SM.
      1. Gayver
        Gayver 27 November 2014 20: 22
        0
        Until the year 20, they said they would buy 2300 Armat tanks and this is more than a thousand!
  11. activator
    activator 27 November 2014 17: 50
    +3
    But the modernization is not the most successful, as far as I know, it seems like the most advanced version was the slingshot.
    1. activator
      activator 27 November 2014 18: 40
      +3
      By the way, does Google give all pictures of a slingshot under a tarp or is it a camouflage cloak?
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 27 November 2014 19: 50
        +2
        Quote: activator
        under a tarp or is it a camouflage cloak?

        Nikolay, this is "Cape".
        Reduces the likelihood of detection in the infrared range.
        T-72Б2 almost everyone is good ...
        1. activator
          activator 27 November 2014 20: 24
          +1
          Quote: Aleks tv
          T-72Б2 almost everyone is good ...

          Thank you Aleksey, in principle, I meant it only I wasn’t sure. But I didn’t go to the troops, as I understood because of the high cost I read somewhere that the cost reaches almost 90 tons, although it is doubtful.
  12. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 27 November 2014 17: 52
    +6
    On the Internet, deathly silence, in what configuration was released in 2014. T-72B3 ...
    smile
    Tintiresno ...
    It seems UVZ threatened to polish the modernization of the B3.

    No one has any pictures of "fresh" deliveries?
    And then modern bloggers are worse than spies, they have EVERYTHING.
    wink
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 27 November 2014 18: 20
      +2
      Quote: Aleks tv
      And then modern bloggers are worse than spies, they have EVERYTHING.


      I report. The operation to modernize the T-72 tanks and deliver them to the military unit was successful. wink
    2. Dog of war
      Dog of war 28 November 2014 11: 36
      0
      On the SUN there is a photo, in short, the DZ on the tower was put denser (and it seems they added 1 block to each side), they put the rubber-fabric screens of the DZ tower, but you can’t see the rest. Everything was covered with a bag from above, I completely forgot, the area to the left of the gun was left without DZ.
  13. Ostap Bender
    Ostap Bender 27 November 2014 17: 54
    +1
    Thank God that they restore the plant, and since the bankruptcy of 2007, they were only engaged in the production of tracks. I wonder where they will take experts?
    1. Drew
      Drew 27 November 2014 18: 17
      +1
      in China at best. At worst, some ... camp
      1. Proud.
        Proud. 27 November 2014 18: 41
        +1
        Quote: Drew
        in the Middle Kingdom

        No, it’s just in China (and what for, they are needed at the Russian defense enterprises). We all live under Heaven.
  14. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 27 November 2014 17: 57
    +1
    Waiting very much for Armata? just to take a peek
  15. kelevra
    kelevra 27 November 2014 18: 17
    +3
    Well, why modernize, why not try to maximize the upgrade of the tank fleet with new T-90 tanks
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 November 2014 19: 11
      +1
      Because the T-90 can be purchased at 2 battalion units per year. A T-72B3 - three times more.
      We simply did not have time to re-equip the T-90 army at such a pace - it was urgent and massive to rearm units from old vehicles, which often no longer had combat value. Remember 42 msd in the war 08.08.08 - T-62, and without screens and DZ. And this is in one of the 7 divisions that passed through the documents as combat-ready. This is some ... shame. (C)

      Moreover, the T-90 itself is a modernization of the T-72. smile
  16. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 27 November 2014 18: 36
    +1
    The news passes in one hour with an order (additional) for the modernization of 31 Migs in a number of 50 machines - I think not only to sober up the "partners": both machines have a modernization resource (especially the Mig-31) and of course this measure quite reasonable.
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 27 November 2014 19: 57
      +1
      The modernization of the MiG-31 will be of the same "quality" as that of the T-72, that is, budgetary, and even worse in terms of the reliability of the "new" equipment. Problems need to be solved comprehensively and, first of all, to tell the truth, like staff members about their YARs, this is the only way to make our "tops" work, maybe. There was hope for Rogozin, but as it turned out, they all looked the same, only a talking shop.
  17. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 27 November 2014 18: 48
    +3
    Previously, Omichi thundered T 80U and now only modernization, it is a pity, but let it be better than nothing. Omsk from Novosibirsk a big hello! drinks
  18. donechin1
    donechin1 27 November 2014 19: 02
    +1
    such tanks are useful for deployment on the borders with frail states barking at us Lithuania Latvia Poland Georgia and with Ukraine
  19. sereginaleks
    sereginaleks 27 November 2014 19: 05
    +1
    And what will 40-50 year old men fight in case of what? We have served for two or more years, and for many, a computer is something supernatural. And for young animals and new tanks enough. The war is won not by regular military personnel, but by reservists.
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 27 November 2014 20: 05
      0
      "The war is won not by career soldiers, but by reservists."
      Well, you surprised, the modern war is a war of professionals, and time is the main indicator here, it will not reach the reservists. And even in no war did the reservists win, it was just that some of them had time to become professionals, and even the top command staff, certainly, was the personnel. The formula began the Second World War, time will not work for people now, remember the regiment is 4 days, the division is 10-12, the corps is up to a month old, and so on, by this formula we got to Moscow.
  20. TOR2
    TOR2 27 November 2014 20: 06
    +1
    Quote: sereginaleks
    for many, a computer is something supernatural

    and you are not afraid of the supernatural, everything is simple there. Automation will not work, then for the handles.
  21. vladstro
    vladstro 27 November 2014 20: 17
    +1
    Handsome men, that the T-34, that the T-72 are aesthetic pleasure from one view, but in terms of combat qualities our tanks after the thirty-four were not inferior to anyone, and one should not talk about the "great and mighty Abrams" discovery is one thing, and Iraq is another. burned down from an RPG-7 shot, and our old 72nd in Syria showed himself excellently in urban battles, if used correctly.
  22. Drunya
    Drunya 27 November 2014 20: 49
    0
    http://doc.rt.com/filmy/tanki-sdelano-v-rossii/#part-1
    documentary .
    TANKS: MADE IN RUSSIA
    From chip cleaning to tank construction, Cyril and Vladimir went through all the stages on the way to their goal. The work was not easy. Military discipline and attention to every detail require constant concentration and, of course, at first it was not without errors. Around the same time, when two newcomers arrive at the workshop, workers find a letter in one of the old tanks asking them not to dispose of the fighting vehicle. The plant management decides to upgrade the tank hero.
  23. rumata63
    rumata63 27 November 2014 21: 41
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    what do you believe these "ducks", they also write a word of 3 letters on the fence, but this is not him. The plant does not work in Omsk, the workers fled for a long time and the shops were sold for warehouses.
    1. Third kalach
      Third kalach 28 November 2014 07: 49
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      Write nonsense without knowing the situation, it works !!! smile And it's great that there are jobs. And for warehouses it is necessary to give inefficiently used premises.
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  24. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 27 November 2014 21: 57
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    It is also necessary to modernize the plant itself and bring it into a divine form.
  25. mamont5
    mamont5 28 November 2014 05: 01
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    Quote: Talker
    My options are like that!
    Confiscation of property:
    Enough for the army, education and medicine!


    "Take away and divide" - this has already passed.
  26. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 November 2014 07: 15
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    Maybe it’s really possible to put a good body armor on an existing tank and not be fooled by super armor. And the control and guidance system is just tuning, hung, stuck, unfastened .. you need to work on the next generation simply.