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Antonov proposes to begin the development and creation of its own (Ukrainian) fighters and attack aircraft

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The President and General Designer of the Antonov Ukrainian aircraft-building enterprise Dmitry Kiva, whom official Kiev (by Yatsenyuk’s decision) does not wish to consider as the head of the enterprise, said that Antonov could begin the creation of Ukrainian fighters and attack aircraft. On the air of the Ukrainian TV channel TSN Dmitry Kiva stated:
We offered this (the development and creation of military aircraft) back in 2006 year. The relevant proposals were officially submitted. But at that time they said that we do not need it yet. Today we have again prepared proposals on this issue.


Antonov proposes to begin the development and creation of its own (Ukrainian) fighters and attack aircraft


Kiva noted that the new developments will allow other Ukrainian enterprises to be involved in the project, which will allow the creation of Ukrainian military aircraft.

Dmitry Kiva:
That is, we could do it quite effectively. It would be no worse than, as some suggest, to buy such aircraft, for example, in China.


At the same time, the status of either the Antonov enterprise or Kiva itself is still unclear. Back in April, the Ukrainian government announced that Kiva was dismissed from his leadership position, and then removed from the position of general designer. But, according to Kiva, a certain prosecutor told him to stay at his workplace, since "all this (government order) is illegal." Did this prosecutor mean that the government itself is illegal?

Kiva, who has an uncertain status in an enterprise, does not say how much Ukraine, with its already leaky budget, can manage to create its own models of military aircraft.
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  1. Oleg NSK
    Oleg NSK 27 November 2014 13: 07
    +59
    Create? ... that's all, forget ... "ukraine" and "create" are no longer associated ... the creator has dried up, to just ... the dump ... and the thief has dissolved
    1. Stalevar
      Stalevar 27 November 2014 13: 13
      +25
      What's that on his jacket? Golden Hero Star? What the hell is the yellow-blue over her? Dillies! It's time to move away from this vicious symbolism !!! Instead of the Star of the Hero, you will have the swastika of HEROA by rank! And about the development ... Here, you are our zealous, money is needed. And considerable. Do you have them in the nezalezhnaya? Even if there is, spend the last on the ATO, and drain them irrevocably. It's not up to you to develop now. Out of the "great Ukrainian fleet" they have already made a flotilla. And from the aviation wing, the militias helped you do it. And something in a truncated format lol ... And it sounds something like harsh - "own (Ukrainian) fighters and attack aircraft." What do you own there, besides bacon. And they say it is no longer produced)).
      1. Oleg NSK
        Oleg NSK 27 November 2014 13: 14
        +7
        in Germany, all the guys are dicks ... in Ukrainina H.ER-oh ...
        ... for the sale of technology probably handed
        and on the jacket .. this is ... "the gold reserve of Ukraine" ... he is the keeper
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      3. Drew
        Drew 27 November 2014 13: 15
        +4
        medal "heroic fat"
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      4. Underwood
        Underwood 27 November 2014 13: 28
        +9
        Quote: Stalevar
        Is that what he has on his jacket?
        1. Stalevar
          Stalevar 27 November 2014 13: 30
          +1
          That's more believable, colleague hi
          1. Underwood
            Underwood 27 November 2014 13: 55
            +7
            Quote: Stalevar
            more believable
            1. Stalevar
              Stalevar 27 November 2014 14: 02
              +2
              Ltd! Now naturally! good
              1. Underwood
                Underwood 27 November 2014 14: 07
                +3
                Quote: Stalevar
                naturally!

                and cherry on the cake? (lunch time, after all)
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 27 November 2014 14: 57
          +6
          Quote: Underwood
          Is that what he has on his jacket?

          Kiva in the difficult situation of the Ukrainian confusion was able to keep the plant, I think the award is well deserved, here in Saratov the aircraft factory was ruined, conditions were better than that of Kiva, moreover, it was repeatedly thrown by Russian customers who have seven Fridays a week. According to the fighters, he has behind him a bunch of workers whose children need something to eat, it is not his fault that in Kiev after a year of revolution.
          So your stuffing with a swastika is clearly superfluous.
          And according to the information in the article, it is clear that Kiva is not friends with the current government.
          1. stonks
            stonks 27 November 2014 15: 35
            +4
            No, well, let's drop the lyrics and politics. Will the design bureau, which specializes in transport and civil aircraft, be able to create at least "good" fighters?
            IMHO: definitely NO.
            These are very different areas of design work.
            1. Alex_34
              Alex_34 27 November 2014 18: 28
              +1
              read somewhere. take our yak 130. combat training. Chinese engines buy and go. By the way, they seem to have work with us.
          2. Underwood
            Underwood 27 November 2014 16: 21
            +1
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            I think the award is well deserved ... So your stuffing with the swastika is clearly superfluous. Yes, and according to the information in the article it is clear that Kiva is not friends with the current government.

            And I do not care, sorry, that he has an ulcer from joy for the cause or that he himself is preparing the volunteers in the factory cafeteria. He declares his loyalty to Kiwu - which means an enemy and a competitor. Hah - will the fighters be released? Is this his format?
      5. Velikoruss
        Velikoruss 27 November 2014 13: 35
        0
        Instead of the Star of the hero, you will be ranked swastika HEROY!

        ... and the pitchfork (trident) in the seat. The Ukrainian fleet has become a flotilla, and Ukrainian aviation is rapidly turning into a nonexistent concept IMHO
      6. Mairos
        Mairos 27 November 2014 13: 52
        +1
        As an option "hero's trident" with black and red pravosekovskaya ribbon
      7. tolancop
        tolancop 27 November 2014 14: 01
        +3
        Smeared you. Not every Ukrainian is a scoundrel. And I completely admit that he received his Star deservedly.
        And there’s no need to mock about the development proposal: a person seeks to keep the company developing cool planes. What's bad about it? It’s easy to ruin everything and everything, but try to save it. And if he succeeds, then he will create an airplane for his country, and not for dill. This is not a quick matter, as long as they reach the final product (if it succeeds), it seems to me that by this time the dill has already wilted.
        1. Underwood
          Underwood 27 November 2014 19: 24
          +1
          Quote: tolancop
          Not every Ukrainian is a scoundrel.

          for sure. Right, if not Hamlet's, then definitely the Ehrenburg issue.
          Quote: tolancop
          And I completely admit that he received his Star deservedly.

          unconditionally. Revolutionary power, as follows from history, chews on military and other specialists in accordance with its mother’s dialectic. 21st century, b / \ let me say thanks for the trash can, it could be worse. But - onizhevropa.
          Quote: tolancop
          he will create for his country, and not for dill

          Sorry, I have not heard about the country of Qivalandia. What did I miss?
          Quote: tolancop
          This is not a quick thing until they reach the final product.

          But why then, sorry, these relations? To send up the vertical PRH? So that, in turn, on the platform with a box of chocolates ё @ zero, like - we’ll show you Parashkin’s mother !!!!
      8. Alekseev
        Alekseev 27 November 2014 17: 10
        +2
        Quote: Stalevar
        Not up to you now.

        That's right!
        Kiva himself is a typical representative of the ukrokerivnik who wanted to sit on two chairs and got his ass between them.
        And now the win ofig.
        Whiskers are Banderloz karapuziks, dances are over ...
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 27 November 2014 13: 20
      +7
      Another manilovism Ukrainian thinkers.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 27 November 2014 13: 23
        +1
        FROZEN B-120
        1. Telakh
          Telakh 27 November 2014 13: 25
          +4
          The plane with the fuselage can and will do, no worse than in China. But with turboprop engines, lack of avionics, radars, stealth paint, there will be "An-2 Sturmovik. Chronicle of a dive bander" with guidance over the smoke and dropping along a string in the cockpit ceiling.

          In general, people live in a medieval world, not realizing the reality around them. And it's not so much about the latest discoveries of physics, but even about the banal economy of his society. From which there was only a cover from the budget.
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 27 November 2014 14: 08
      0
      And what remains for them to save at least the Soviet? Such an industry has collapsed! Brains to Russia for assembly! We have the Union of Engineers. Im and cards in hand.
    5. Serge Mikhas
      Serge Mikhas 27 November 2014 18: 55
      0
      Well, he did it ... There is no money, but he offers to build planes. Probably a shame that they drove away from the trough, without him Antonov will be taken away wink
  2. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 27 November 2014 13: 10
    +3
    "Good luck". We wish success to the Ukrainian effective ones. They do not have space, like we do, but they have twisted, they will be sawing on aviation.
  3. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 27 November 2014 13: 11
    +5
    Or maybe you can swipe at the spaceport ?! What to play on airplanes ...
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 27 November 2014 14: 13
      0
      Why troll. Engineers did not invent politics. We will argue with an outfit for the future. Ukraine is part of the Russian, temporarily disconnected world. We will stand on that!
      1. Viktor Kudinov
        Viktor Kudinov 27 November 2014 16: 06
        0
        What is he doing there so clever in Ukraine !? He needs to go to Russia and work here on new fighters and attack aircraft and thereby bring the reunification of the Russian world closer. wink
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  4. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 27 November 2014 13: 11
    +10

    There are bolder projections, for example, a photograph of this pepelats dragged from LJ-Cotobud, now
    http://stailker.livejournal.com

    I recommend everyone to read at night, a good mood is provided, the guy is clearly sitting on some unknown science of drugs:

    However, for now, they are going to produce a light Chinese UBS-Hongdu L-15, created on the basis of our Yak-130 with the assistance of Yakovlev Design Bureau with the Ukrainian AI-222-25F engine. That is, the Yakovlev Design Bureau provided technical documentation for the Yak-130 aircraft, and Motor Sich installs two AI-222-25F turbojet engines with an afterburner and modern onboard equipment, including a digital power plant control system. Back in 2009, Yuri Yekhanurov , the then Minister of Defense of Ukraine, announced his intention to establish a joint production of the L-15 combat trainer aircraft with Hongdu.
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 27 November 2014 13: 11
    +8
    Let’s immediately have the spaceships, why exchange for attack aircraft there. The dough in the treasury is unmeasured ... fool
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 November 2014 13: 39
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      Let’s immediately have the spaceships, why exchange for attack aircraft there.

      I also thought about it, "Death Star" for peremogi tse dilo.
    2. GUS
      GUS 27 November 2014 14: 21
      +5
      Quote: Stiletto
      Let’s immediately have the spaceships, why exchange for attack aircraft there. The dough in the treasury is unmeasured ... fool

      Only treasures were left in the treasury, and then only two pieces, so that Parasyu and Yaytsenyukha had something to blame when the militiamen took Kiev.
      1. pts-m
        pts-m 27 November 2014 17: 42
        0
        see the tank crew gained experience. they train kaklov in the same way. and maybe the tank crew adopted their experience. you can’t understand their “Maydanuty”.
  6. morph
    morph 27 November 2014 13: 12
    +4
    yeah, the current motto of all initiatives is "Give me a penny!"? and then we will give you another "change" or "reduction"
  7. 2sila
    2sila 27 November 2014 13: 12
    +3
    From cardboard? Umbum is already doing.
  8. Name
    Name 27 November 2014 13: 12
    +2
    fool And CHO can still be said ... "Where is the money Zin" ..., and not small, who will allow. repeat
  9. MechanicPol
    MechanicPol 27 November 2014 13: 12
    +1
    By the time they find money for development, develop, and experience something, neither the country of such "Ukraine", nor the ability to produce something flying will remain ...
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 27 November 2014 14: 03
      0
      Yes, just lure Antonovtsev to Russia and all things. We do not fight and there are rubles in the treasury. Yes, and Russia has political weight!
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 November 2014 13: 12
    +2
    Whatever the child entertained, he didn’t ask to eat!
  11. silver169
    silver169 27 November 2014 13: 13
    +3
    Yeah, it's so easy, just create a fighter. Applied to Dill, the word “steal”, not create, suggests itself. They are much better at stealing. And these emptyheads have long been unable to create anything.
  12. Cosmos1987
    Cosmos1987 27 November 2014 13: 13
    +3
    He wanted to say intergalactic photomagnetic nuclear neutrino-protonobisone-isotopic quark-quasarogiper hyper-attack aircraft. and then got confused and said that it’s just a combat aircraft.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 27 November 2014 13: 34
      +1
      And let them not forget nuclear weapons! laughing
  13. 73bor
    73bor 27 November 2014 13: 13
    +4
    I don’t understand which director, it’s not clear which design bureau, she proposes to build it unclear which fighter - burn on Ukrainians!
  14. Egoza
    Egoza 27 November 2014 13: 14
    +2
    Well, if in 2006 "no nat", then in 2014 and even more so! No, maybe they could ... and you can offer it ... only because you won't have such a rollback as from private traders who buy planes over the hill. So ... sit in silence until you finally "lustrated"
  15. Bigship
    Bigship 27 November 2014 13: 14
    +3
    Now in Ukraine, the more ridiculous the statement, the more applause you can break ... You look, he will be made the Director General again.
  16. Lissyara
    Lissyara 27 November 2014 13: 14
    +2
    "Where is the money, Zin?"
    1. An aircraft is not a vacuum cleaner, a bit more of a technology.
    2. Where does the experience of developing combat vehicles come from? Or on the principle of "lumpy first pancake"?
    3. The Chinese approach also completely disappears (the same xerox experience).
  17. GRAY
    GRAY 27 November 2014 13: 15
    +4
    Quote: chunga-changa
    "Good luck".

    :-)
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  18. _my opinion
    _my opinion 27 November 2014 13: 17
    +3
    Antonov proposes to begin the development and creation of its own (Ukrainian) fighters and attack aircraft

    yeah, immediately the tenth generation - what really bigcams trifle laughing
  19. Blondy
    Blondy 27 November 2014 13: 17
    +2
    Interestingly, for a quarter of a century they created and created, and now effective managers decided to switch to attack aircraft with fighters, and engineers will be recruited on the Maidan.
    1. starochkin77
      starochkin77 27 November 2014 14: 37
      +3
      From the end of the 40s, Antonovites, if my memory doesn’t bother me, seemed to be engaged in purely transporters, but then the fighters decided to rivet sharply! It’s even funny to me that if BELAZ announces, now we will make cars, formulas-1 no worse than a Ferrari! All Antonov cars were tested in TsAGI aerodynamic disks (blown through) static disks (for durability) there are simply no such stands in ruins! Motorsich engines consist of 50-70% of Russian components (turbine blades, engine compressors, etc. ) and this is the basis of the engine. Let them do it, let's see what kind of prodigy it will turn out, at least laughing
  20. Vasily Ivashov
    Vasily Ivashov 27 November 2014 13: 17
    +1
    Well done! more good and different plans, so that Ukrainians would have more fun sitting in their cold and dark apartments ...
    1. Penelope
      Penelope 27 November 2014 13: 23
      +1
      The unrealistic proposal of Kiva, the Nazis have no money and time for this.
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  21. sledge
    sledge 27 November 2014 13: 18
    0
    In Ukraine, now they can only plunder and sell
  22. Sirocco
    Sirocco 27 November 2014 13: 19
    +1
    Wouldn’t it be easier for the people of Ukraine, not destroying production, not destroying production, and not dreaming of a cloudless existence in the EU (like for free), to join the CU and create it all together, loading production of their countries and republics. But no, just a country, now give the Mistrals, then the attacking fighters. And the bottom line is the Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant producing potbelly stoves. It is interesting to see what fighters from Svidomo will look like ???))))
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 27 November 2014 14: 10
      +1
      But Ukraine had a chance to become the only CIS country with an atomic nose. Indeed, on the slipway Nikolaevsky the building of Ulyanovsk was already being completed. I do not deny that the cost of completion would be enormous, but the mere fact of having an atomic nose and six more non-nuclear ones would have recouped all costs.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 27 November 2014 15: 31
        0
        Now her ammo from behind the puddles will not give her such a chance. At first the ships for nails were handed over, now I suppose the cartridges will insist on the city of Nikolaev, namely the Shipbuilding Plant, which was the center of shipbuilding of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. More would not be such. They drag it as once the Pavlograd Mechanical Plant (under the applause and hooting of the local hands of guides) which fired ballistic missiles.
  23. ded100
    ded100 27 November 2014 13: 20
    0
    What can Ukraine create now? Now, if you steal or beg for free and then sell it, yes !! laughing
  24. nicollider
    nicollider 27 November 2014 13: 20
    0
    Well, this is again an attempt by the samopiar - this time Kivy: they did not have a promising tank to launch - there was an article on this subject here - and then the plane will be more complicated
  25. Nitarius
    Nitarius 27 November 2014 13: 20
    +2
    It is a pity SUCH ENTERPRISE - "FUCKED. to pick up the BEST MINDS from there or to transport ALL WHO WITH BRAINS to RUSSIA!
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 27 November 2014 13: 28
      0
      Quote: Nitarius
      to pick up the BEST MINDS from there or to transport ALL WHO WITH BRAINS to RUSSIA!

      There is nothing to take there.
  26. padded jacket
    padded jacket 27 November 2014 13: 22
    +1
    Here's a picture of Antonov Design Bureau airplane was given to another article on this subject.
    Interesting machine smile :
  27. Altona
    Altona 27 November 2014 13: 22
    +2
    And come on, Dmitro Samanovich! But why don’t you then destroy the litak-attacker of the hairy deer? Its ukrainian nadiynoy, scho not imperial ka.tsapsky Su-25. So at once visibly and fly all the way!

    Well, you're funny, Dmitry Semenovich. Apparently this is such a step of loyalty to the current government, so that you can't get lustration ... Another peremog? I remember, or rather I cannot forget, what the Ukrainian Piston grenade launcher and its French counterpart look like, apparently the same story will be with the attack aircraft ... laughing
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 27 November 2014 17: 19
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      apparently the same story will be with the attack aircraft ...

      that no, it won't. They put another meaning into the word "attack aircraft", I think.
      1. Underwood
        Underwood 27 November 2014 17: 21
        0
        Quote: Underwood
        different meaning

        type
  28. Wiruz
    Wiruz 27 November 2014 13: 23
    +1
    Well, and what will they do? Will they copy the Su-25, MiG-29 and Su-27, like the Chinese? Moreover, TTX copies will be worse than the original. But his, suburban. Peremoga !!!
    1. Velesovich
      Velesovich 27 November 2014 13: 49
      +2
      Quote: Wiruz
      Well, and what will they do? Will they copy the Su-25, MiG-29 and Su-27, like the Chinese? Moreover, TTX copies will be worse than the original. But his, suburban. Peremoga !!!

      The Chinese have powerful industrial potential, and science is at their best. Therefore, they can copy foreign developments. Ukraine today unless the An-2 can produce, and that is unlikely. Thunderless mute.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 November 2014 14: 35
      +1
      Quote: Wiruz
      Well, and what will they do? Will they copy the Su-25, MiG-29 and Su-27, like the Chinese?

      They can’t. Even under Profesor, they recognized that the maintenance and modernization of the Su-27 and MiG-29 had become unbearable for Ukraine. And they just wanted to leave for combat training vehicles. type Yak-130 and L-15.
  29. Gray 43
    Gray 43 27 November 2014 13: 24
    +3
    What about the Death Star? Darth Vader already exists, he could even become the Emperor, but some characters of the saga did not allow this
    1. Altona
      Altona 27 November 2014 13: 44
      0
      Quote: Gray 43
      What about the Death Star? Darth Vader already exists, he could even become the Emperor, but some characters of the saga did not allow this

      ------------------------
      Exactly, at least a "superlaser" for a start ... Why play airplanes?
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 November 2014 14: 54
      0
      Quote: Gray 43
      What about the Death Star? Darth Vader already exists, he could even become the Emperor, but some characters of the saga did not allow this

      Actually, "ZS" is the brainchild of Vader's opponent - Grand Moff Tarkin. And there is no such figure in Ukraine: Kolomoisky is clearly not drawn to the Grand Moff.

      Giggles ... if Vader is in Ukraine, then who are the other characters in the saga? Julia "Leia" Skywalker? Luke Yatsenyuk? Jabba Kolomoisky?
      Unless there is no doubt about the personality of the Emperor: We have the darkest one. laughing
  30. Vend
    Vend 27 November 2014 13: 24
    +1
    For someone the war is death, but for someone the opportunity to make a profit. Now militant rhetoric is popular in Ukraine. Maybe they will get the money. Antonov is a brand.
  31. Vitas
    Vitas 27 November 2014 13: 25
    +1
    There are also engineers and resources, but everything needs money ...
    http://aviamuseum.com.ua/uk/ekspozitsiya/kb-antonova/eksperimentalnyj-samolet-qi
    zdelie-181q.html
  32. Stinger
    Stinger 27 November 2014 13: 26
    0
    Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness?
    Dreams came true, there was disgust.
    Streams, streams, where is the ringing and joy?
    The streams are gone and the weakness is exposed.
    (Olga Trubina)
  33. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 27 November 2014 13: 29
    +4
    During its entire existence, the Antonov Design Bureau has created only one combat aircraft - in 1947, an experimental fighter M ("Masha"), based on German trophy developments, made of wood, with an engine with a centrifugal compressor RD-45 with a thrust of 2270 daN (Soviet licensed version of the British Rolls-Royce RB.41 Nene, later renamed VK-1 with a thrust of 2700 daN). Aerodynamic model "Masha" was blown in TsAGI.

    However, literally on the eve of the start of flights in July 1948, by order of the NKAP, all work on the "M" fighter was stopped. Probably, the presence of the MiG-15, Yak-23 and La-15 was considered sufficient to ensure the country's defense capability. In addition, at this time, the tests of the An-2 were being completed, which had to be urgently introduced into large-scale production.
    http://www.airwar.ru/enc/xplane/an.html


    There was an attempt to create a reconnaissance spotter based on An-2, under the designation An-2F. From the base model, it was distinguished by a modified tail of the fuselage, which housed a fully glazed observer's cabin. The plumage was replaced by a two-keel, and to protect against fighter attacks, a turret with an 20-mm DB-20E gun was installed behind the upper wing. This aircraft was left in a single copy.
    http://www.airwar.ru/enc/spy/an2f.html


    And the An-2 itself can be quite a formidable machine. So, the main problems of the JNA during the war in Croatia, in 1991, were brought about by the Croatian so-called. "corn aviation". It was based on a detachment of agricultural aviation in Osijek, where there were about 10 old An-2 biplanes, which were supplemented by several "sessna" of various modifications: A-180 Ag-Truck, A-186 Ag-Wagon and Pipers RA-18. Despite their more than solid age and outdated technical data, the aircraft turned out to be a "tough nut to crack" for the Serbian air defense.
    MANPADS missiles were not always effective, since the weak thermal signature of the piston engine did not allow the homing head to reliably capture the target. The press described a case when the pilot of the Croatian An-2 got away from 16 (!) Missiles fired at him. Luck turned away from the Croats on December 2, 1991, when the calculation of the medium-range air defense system 2K12 "Kvadrat" was able to hit one An-2 with a rocket. Another An-2 was shot down by anti-aircraft gunners. No other agricultural aircraft were hit. Therefore, the Serbs were forced to destroy them at the airfields: on September 8, during the attack on the Osijek airfield, the Galeb attack aircraft destroyed one An-2, and a week later several more.
    1. Makarov
      Makarov 27 November 2014 14: 58
      0
      I saw it flutters in the RD-45 section ... a copy of the roller ...
      1. Makarov
        Makarov 27 November 2014 15: 26
        +1
        I saw a model in the context of the RD-45 ... a copy of the roller ...
  34. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 27 November 2014 13: 29
    +3
    That is, we could do it quite effectively. It would be no worse than, as some suggest, to buy such aircraft, for example, in China.

    Comrade Kiva, who was so defended by the Antonovites, also turns out to be one of these, how to put it mildly, dreamers. That is, the firm "Antonov", vegetating under the yoke of "m ... lei", slavishly fulfilling their orders, secretly developed and had in the storehouse super-development of everything and everyone. And then (after getting rid of m ... whom the yoke, finally, the bright minds got room for creativity. From corn workers to space shuttles - everything is ready to be presented to the "Antonov", as on a silver platter.
    Although everything is banal and simple - give me a penny, but you can promise anything, even Baba Yaga on a broomstick, under the well-deserved Soviet brand "An".
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 November 2014 15: 08
      +1
      Quote: surovts.valery
      Although everything is banal and simple - give me a penny, but you can promise anything, even Baba Yaga on a broomstick, under the well-deserved Soviet brand "An".

      Chihix ... I immediately remembered:
      Moscalugi, give pennies!
      Do not pull on the knots!
      Give pennies ... Just know:
      all the same, you are all goats!
      Insatiable katsapy
      again you brought us!
      Do not pull your paws to Nenko! ...
      Give pennies, wet!
  35. sgr291158
    sgr291158 27 November 2014 13: 33
    +1
    What kind of planes are they talking about. The economy is completely collapsed, the debt is such that my mother does not cry, but all the same.
  36. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 27 November 2014 13: 35
    0
    Yeah, create-a military kite, however .... for more, ataman, neem gold reserve ...
  37. bmv04636
    bmv04636 27 November 2014 13: 38
    0
    I’m afraid that Antonovo Design Bureau in Ukraine has already died.
  38. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 27 November 2014 13: 38
    0
    Statements and initiatives coming from the independent country are becoming more and more divorced from the real situation, in the "country". You have to think about how to bury what is left, and not fantasize about it.
  39. Ronino
    Ronino 27 November 2014 13: 40
    0
    Give Ukroshtormoviki!
    I imagine ...
    Maybe Europe will buy the party, in spite of Russia?
  40. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 27 November 2014 13: 46
    +1
    Canadians offered Ukrainians their old F-18s. Is free. Just a dream for those who want to get everything for nothing, both gas and coal. They calculated the costs of retraining pilots and the costs of operation and refused. Nama pennies even for that! Where did the money come from for the development and construction of new aircraft ?!
  41. Lavr75
    Lavr75 27 November 2014 13: 49
    +2
    I could not resist, Bayan, it seems to me that it was in VO, but still .....
    The Croatian Ministry of Defense has commissioned only one of the seven MiG-21 fighters, which were repaired by the Ukrainian company Odessa Aircraft Plant. The remaining machines identified defects. In violation of the terms of the contract in Ukraine, repairs of five more combat vehicles have not been completed. All this may entail a revision of the terms of the agreement by Croatia.
    In the Croatian Ministry of Defense, 6 out of 7 MiG-21 fighters failed to be inspected, the repair of which was carried out by the Ukrainian company GP Odessa Aircraft Plant. According to RT, the Air Force refused to accept the low-quality work of Ukrainians. During the check, malfunctions in the operation of radar stations, the “friend or foe” system, and even fuel leakage were detected.
    Croatia received its first repaired aircraft from Ukraine a few months ago. For their "refinement" to the military base in the recipient country were sent Ukrainian technology. They try to fix the problems, but, as noted, the problems do not stop.
    According to the publication, these MiG-21s previously belonged to Yemen. The authorities refused to pay for them after they revealed low-quality repairs carried out by the Ukrainian side. Flying cars stood at the airport for 5 years, until Croatia became interested in them. SE “Odessa Aviation Plant” won a tender for the repair and modernization of MiGs.
    According to Jutarnji, Ukrainian experts did not conduct a full cycle of checks on the suitability of aircraft for operation. So, tests were not conducted at low altitudes. And now, when Croatian specialists took up this, problems began to come to light.
    Repair of all 12 aircraft according to the terms of the contract was supposed to be completed by June 30. 5 cars, meanwhile, are still in Ukraine, since their repair is not completed. It is emphasized that the Ministry of Defense of Croatia has not yet paid for the work of the Ukrainian enterprise. And now, due to violation of terms and disputed quality, the question may arise about the amount of payments. At the same time, the Ukrainian company also earlier received a tender for the modernization of several Mi-8 and Mi-17 helicopters of the Croatian Air Force.
  42. Taoist
    Taoist 27 November 2014 13: 57
    0
    No, well, "z'ist then he z'ist - the one who will give him" (c)
    I will still believe that the remaining potential will be enough for what to draw "on the drawing board" ... But for the fact that there is enough potential for at least a flight prototype, then this is already sorry ... Well, let alone mass production with a closed technical chain ... then this is generally in the category of "unscientific fiction" ...
    The Soviet touched upon for a long time about, but to do something of his own now - stupidly "where is the money Zin?" (C)
  43. sazhka4
    sazhka4 27 November 2014 14: 00
    0
    Hopefully not together .. And there, at least a stupa in my city .. Baba Yaga in the form of Psaki, Merkel, etc. Oo ,, Yes, they gathered in line. In standby mode .. We are waiting.
  44. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 27 November 2014 14: 13
    0
    I’m quiet. So that the Ukrainians didn’t drive early! Maybe they should sell a patent to them? And that’s a pity for morons ...
  45. Nonik
    Nonik 27 November 2014 14: 29
    0
    Quote: Novel 1977
    MANPADS missiles were not always effective, since the weak thermal signature of the piston engine did not allow the homing head to reliably capture the target. The press described a case when the pilot of the Croatian An-2 got away from 16 (!) Missiles fired at him. Luck turned away from the Croats on December 2, 1991, when the calculation of the medium-range air defense system 2K12 "Kvadrat" was able to hit one An-2 with a rocket. Another An-2 was shot down by anti-aircraft gunners.
    So with such airplanes Zushki get off, a missile on them is too expensive. If the rocket is perhaps of short range, like that of Shell C1, they are not expensive.
  46. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 27 November 2014 14: 34
    +1
    Why trifles, fighter jets, attack aircraft are somehow still petty for such a great country, but would you like your friends to sway by a more significant, cosmodrome, rocket, base on the Moon, all this is just on the shoulder of a country that takes its roots in such a deep jo .. (oh sorry), antiquity, that even the look does not reach.
  47. IAlex
    IAlex 27 November 2014 14: 51
    0
    Wanting is not harmful, they are sausage something, then the fleet will stand stronger than the American, then ballistic nuclear missiles are cooler than Russian, now attack aircraft are cooler than Chinese, and all in the future tense ...
  48. Vorlon
    Vorlon 27 November 2014 15: 47
    0
    I put the article plus. For the fact that they at least amuse us (Ukrainians). Without their funny remarks, it would be sad (like the ruble is falling, gas is growing). If they give them permission to develop what they want, then minus a lot of money from the treasury. And this is good, because they will not go to the ATO.
  49. cergey51046
    cergey51046 27 November 2014 16: 48
    0
    Let them work out. They can’t make it. This requires a very developed industry.
  50. pvv113
    pvv113 27 November 2014 17: 50
    +2
    stated that Antonov could begin the creation of Ukrainian fighters and attack aircraft.

    From the beginning of the development of the concept to the creation of the first machine, 10 to 20 years pass. Will Ukraine, under the current junta, need aviation at that time? request