“Russians, wake up! You can’t leave Central Asia ”

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“Russians, wake up! You can’t leave Central Asia ”
“You are at home, you need to know about it,” the sociologist Maxim Akimov urges compatriots

“In no case can not leave. Moreover, you need to return to the region, you need to restore the ethnic balance, because more recently, the Slavs and Kazakhs on the territory of Kazakhstan were about equal! ”

A sociologist Maxim Akimov addressed our compatriots in Kazakhstan and all of Central Asia from the pages of the Russian in Kazakhstan magazine with such a call.

“Russians, wake up,” he repeats over and over again, “we must not leave, we must not retreat, we must not allow the region to fall out of the Russian world. In no case can not leave their positions, show cowardice! "

“You are at home, you need to know about it,” he recalls.

Maxim Akimov knows firsthand about the problems of our compatriots. “By the nature of my scientific and journalistic interests,” he writes, “I am integrated into the theme of Russian-Turkic relations. I was born in Astrakhan, visited Kazakhstan, I am now in Russia, but I know very well about the problems that the Russian-speaking population of Kazakhstan faces. I watch with dismay and regret how the Slavic population of Central Asia continues to decline, and this entails a whole host of negative consequences that affect Great Russia.

By education I am a sociologist, he continues, the dissertation I am currently working on is devoted to the problem of inter-ethnic relations between the Turkic and Slavic peoples of the Caspian, and therefore I would very much like my knowledge and capabilities to help Russian-speaking compatriots. I have something to say, have something to share, and, as it seems, I can contribute, help realize the point of support that can give a new impetus to the revival of Russian-speaking culture in Central Asia. ”

What does the expert want to explain to our compatriots? And the fact that the Russians have almost more rights to consider this territory as theirs than the same Kazakhs.

The situation of the Slavic, Russian-speaking population of Central Asia has become very unnatural since 1991, he recalls. The Russians were artificially driven into that ideological lacuna, which does not correspond to their present status; the Russians were systematically inspired by false buggers, imposed a stereotype according to which they are not in their homeland, but in a foreign land.

Although in reality this is not the case, Akimov notes. Russians, Ukrainians and other Slavs who brought civilization to the steppe region, became the first settlers who founded cities and enterprises, can in no way be “less indigenous” than the same Kazakhs. The situation in which Kazakhs in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyz in Kyrgyzstan are declared the “first nation”, the main nation, and the Russians as an alien element, is deeply absurd and anti-scientific, does not correspond to the scientific truth, the author stresses.

The fact is, Akimov continues, that until the Russians came to the steppe region, there was no settled population here at all. Perhaps somewhere in the south of the territory of present-day Kazakhstan there were isolated small villages, but there were no cities, no civilization was found. Russian and other Slavs, who arrived from the inner provinces of Russia, were therefore the first settlers, the first permanent population of the region. It is they who can be considered the indigenous population of Kazakhstan, the author believes.

Nomadic peoples here were very different, he recalls, they moved across vast territories, knew no borders, did not have the statehood that existed among the nations of the New Time. The same Kazakh tribes, whom Russian sources called most often Kyrgyz-Kaisaks or Kyrgyz, wandered not only in what is now Kazakhstan, but also in the lands of present-day Mongolia and China.

It was the Russians who created everything that later became the basis of the statehood of the Kazakh SSR and present-day Kazakhstan, writes Akimov. If the Russians had not founded the cities, hadn’t brought technologies of effective survival, hadn’t created the economy and industry, the fate of the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz would be exactly the same as the fate of the nomadic peoples of present Mongolia, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan: disorder, epidemics, lack of autonomy, low population size, wildness.

And now they declare to us that the territory of Kazakhstan is “originally Kazakh land”. In fact, the expert emphasizes that this statement is more than debatable! Kirghiz-Kaisaki, that is, the nomadic population of the Kazakh zhuzes, he recalls, was far from being the first and not the only tribal union of this territory. There were a great many nomadic peoples here, including those who lived in parallel with the Kazakhs. However, all those quasi-states that were created by these peoples had nothing to do with what we now mean by the term “state”, because they were only tribal unions of the early medieval type. Compare Kazakh Zhuz XVIII. and Russia in the 18th century - this is intellectual dishonesty.

Disputes about the territory between the descendants of the nomadic and sedentary population do not arise only in Central Asia, reminds Akimov, such disputes are not uncommon even in Europe. But every time it is the sedentary ethnic group that is considered the indigenous population, and the nomadic rights are secondary. For example, in the eastern regions of Armenia, where there was a nomadic Azerbaijani and sedentary Armenian population, international experts in the settlement of the Karabakh conflict identified precisely the Armenian one. And in Romania, where Roma roamed from ancient times, Romanians, descendants of the settled Vlachs, are considered as the indigenous population, although there is evidence that Roma could roam on this land before the formation of the Wallachian people.

Also in Kazakhstan, the truly indigenous people should be the one who was sedentary, who created a civilized state here, who first founded villages, cities, permanent economy, the author is convinced.

Akimov reminds that he treats Kazakhs and Kyrgyz well, that he has lived side by side with the Kazakhs for many years, he knows a lot of good things about them, he was friends with them. But the fact is, the expert writes, “that the current official context simply depresses me, surprises with its aggressive nationalism on the one hand, and its absurdity and illogicality on the other.” The Russian state is equated with the Kazakh zhuzes, they represent everything as if it were two equal values, as if before joining Russia in the steppe region there was something that could be called a state similar to the government centers of the New Time. But this is just a lie, Akimov is convinced.

The life of Kazakhs was at the level of nomadic herders, he recalls, while the Lomonosovs and Mendeleevs already appeared in Russia. The Russian people, straining their intellectual strength and physical abilities, created a high culture, statehood and technologies for effective survival, which he transmitted to the peoples who roamed on the outskirts of the expanding Russian empire. The Russians were a successful nation; they were heirs to Greek culture; at the same time, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz, unfortunately, could not boast of creating such a state, they were comprehended for several reasons historical failure.

But now Russians are being forced to pay for this failure, Akimov writes. We are forced to impose a mandatory study of the Kazakh language, although, unfortunately, neither science nor literature has been created. When a person learns Russian, French or English, he gets the opportunity to use the achievements that this language has. But when a person is forced to switch to a language that does not have a tenth of the same civilizational opportunities, this only shows that there is someone's whim, someone's desire to force, to impose this language. And the Russians are forced to learn the Turkic language, which is incomprehensible to them, just to make someone pleasant, just to please.

But if we discard false hypocrisy, if we look truth in the eyes, we will have to admit that imposing the Kazakh language is just a whim of politicians and the egoism of the nationalists, that this language can not give anything like the Russian language. vast opportunities and amazing wealth.

Of course, this did not start yesterday, the author recalls: even the Bolsheviks did their best to increase the teaching and dissemination of Kazakh and other languages. And now in the advancement of non-Russian languages ​​the West is very interested, which wants to completely oust Russia from Central Asia. And, perhaps, if the Kazakh and Kyrgyz languages ​​continue to develop in the 500 years, if they manage to accumulate the same literary tradition that the Russian language already has, then they will be able to compete with it. But as long as the situation is as it is, insisting on switching to the Kazakh language is the same as forcing adults to communicate in children’s dialect. And there is nothing offensive, just such is the reality of the story, the expert notes.

However, he believes that the Russians themselves, the Russian-speaking population of Central Asia, are also to blame for the situation that has developed in the most recent years. After all, we ourselves agree with the stereotype that imposes on us the role of poor relatives, an alien element in the steppe region. Although this is nonsense, the Russians on the territory of present-day Kazakhstan, at home, in their homeland, were the first and indigenous settlers of these places. These lands are part of the Russian Empire.

In present-day Kazakhstan, there are places (the territories adjacent to Petropavlovsk, for example), where there was almost no Kazakh nomads, that is, these territories can only be Russian. But after all, the Kazakhization is carried out there, and there Russians are declared an alien element.

“Slavs, wake up! - appeals to compatriots Maxim Akimov. “You are not a guest, you are at home.”

Here is a letter sent to the site "Russian in Kazakhstan." And it reveals, in fact, the most vital dilemma facing our compatriots in Central Asia (and not only in this region). How should they be, how can they survive in the conditions of the constant growth of the oppression of local ethnocracy? Run to Russia or stay in their homeland (which, as Maxim Akimov reminds, is also a territory of Russia)?

The question is very difficult. Yes, in Russia for more than four years, there is a state program of resettlement of compatriots. But how does it work (if this word is appropriate here at all)? That's how. “Since the start of the implementation of the State Program for Assisting Voluntary Resettlement in Russia to Compatriots, about 54 000 applications for participation in it and 27 300 applications for issuing a certificate of its participant have been accepted,” the Federal Migration Service of Russia reported recently. “To date, over 26 000 certificates have already been issued, and 44 000 former compatriots with family members, including a quarter of them this year, have arrived in the Russian Federation.”

Thus, in 4, all 44 000 compatriots moved to Russia! It is somewhere two times less than what the program developers expected! In fact - a complete failure of the federal program! Which looks so relief, if we recall that in Russia, according to experts, there are now more than 15 million migrants, most of whom are simply hiding from the same FMS, since they are staying here illegally! It turns out that our migration authorities, which have opened wide the borders to migrant workers, are more interested in settling Russia with migrant migrants, who sometimes do not even speak Russian, than in repatriating to the historical homeland of the age-old Russian people? It turns out that way.

Well, those compatriots who were still able to move to Russia - how did they do it? Forums to articles in RuNet on this topic are full of stories of displaced people about arbitrariness, bureaucratic obstacles and indifference of officials (including the very FMS) that people who have decided to move to Russia have encountered. In fact, they received no real help and support from the state. Yes, there are undoubtedly some examples of the concern shown by the authorities about compatriots, but this is a real drop in the ocean. An exception that only underlines the general rule: the compatriots were not needed by the Russian authorities.

Why, then, should our compatriots leave the countries in which they found themselves against their will? And then, as there they feel the farther, the more and more uncomfortable. But in many “independent” states, our compatriots are simply persecuted and fully experience the manifestations of discrimination by “indigenous” nations. And here they also cannot count on help from official Russia. Ta with might and main in trading with these countries, earning money, and the oppression of their fellow countrymen simply fall out of sight of the Russian authorities. A fresh example: the Russians in Kazakhstan are sounding the alarm in connection with the "Kazakhization", and something is not heard that at least somehow the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation is concerned or at least our embassy in Astana.

And what then remains to our compatriots? In Russia, they, with rare exceptions, are not expected. And in those countries it is also harder for them to stay.

The question is very complex and very painful. Maxim Akimov, of course, is right, urging compatriots to defend their rights more resolutely. In the end, it is our Russian land, our ancestors raised it and arranged it. That's just our compatriots have the right to count on at least some help in protecting their rights from the Russian state, which declares itself at almost every corner as a power, which everyone in this world reckons with.
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  1. +3
    23 August 2011 22: 22
    He graduated from school number 21 in Kustanai (1971). There was one Kazakh in the class (the clicker Chomba), by the way, a nice guy. The rest are Slavs and Germans.
  2. His
    +2
    23 August 2011 23: 39
    Here you go and live there, dear sociologist
    1. Superduck
      +3
      23 August 2011 23: 52
      Yeah, experiments are best to start with yourself. With the same success, you can call to populate Novaya Zemlya and Svalbard, the arguments will be exactly the same, the chances of survival too.
      1. zczczc
        +1
        24 August 2011 03: 06
        There is a very simple way of settling - to stimulate the departure of mixed Russian families to regions native to the other spouse). I did not mean to evict, you can just offer elevators in a new place.

        It is ideal for both native Russian lands and the surrounding lands. In fact, Russification. On the basis of such surrounding lands to revive the empire, I apologize, just spit, because they will be ready. But provided that in central Russia it is better than themselves.
        1. +9
          24 August 2011 11: 25
          It would really be good if the state would give help to the Russian returnees and populate the deserted lands. It is already hard to break down, to leave the house, but those who nevertheless took a chance were disappointed with the reception in Russia. Obtaining citizenship is hard. Queues, rudeness, bureaucratic delays, lasting for years, fines for ignorance or negligence of employees of the passport office ...
          I read a program of assistance for immigrants .... It is unrealistic to collect so many documents in such a short time, given that one office accepts on Thursdays, another on Tuesdays, and you have to go all in one day .... find housing and bring documents confirming this. .. Who wrote it, probably with a laugh fell under the table ...
          Plus, the difference in mentality ...
          1. zczczc
            -1
            24 August 2011 20: 28
            You obviously did not understand what I said.

            I said that if a mixed pair was formed on the territory of the original Russian land, the state may be materially interested in moving to the spouse's original land. Provided that this land is either in the Russian Federation or in neighboring states.

            This is good for the Russification of the surrounding regions and for the removal of interethnic tension in historically Russian regions. And most importantly - this is the guarantee of a future empire. Under the auspices of assistance to their migrants, you can always open a Russian school, library, rural clinic, etc.

            And inside the country it is necessary to rivet the rural Russian population - 4-6 children should be a minimum.
            1. +2
              25 August 2011 11: 56
              Now I understand you. Excuse me ; )
              Settling Russians in order to strengthen Russia's influence is, of course, a good idea, but those locals who are already doing well now will strongly oppose this. I’m not talking about the whole people, but about the elite who will not want to lose their existing positions.
              It seems to me, nevertheless, the best way to revive the empire, if it is necessary - to establish a life in our own country, if we can defeat devastation, corruption and, most importantly, ethnic strife - smart peoples themselves will reach us. Not in the sense of migration, but in the sense of integration at the state level.
              And resettlement to economically weaker countries will be problematic. For example, in a population explosion, as in China, when there is nowhere to step, resettlement will be natural and therefore uninterrupted and powerful. And now it’s better to still pick your own up to the heap, until they assimilate.
          2. Gur
            +1
            25 August 2011 10: 13
            I don’t understand at all .. this program ... tell me ... what else should I somehow prove that I am Russian .. ??? or show information for what reasons my ancestors came to Kazakhstan ?? tobish the exiled ... the virgin lands .. or chased after a fat life ???
            1. zczczc
              -1
              25 August 2011 10: 28
              I did not say anything about repatriation; on the contrary, I spoke about resettlement outside. And about the excess birth rate in the country - which is not, but it is very necessary.

              The repatriation of those who really want is needed and useful. The main thing is to weed out those who return only because of the deterioration of life there. If a person wants to return to the Fatherland, because he sees that where he lives, they mix Russian with dirt, then he must understand two things:
              1. Russians in Russia need him;
              2. The state in Russia does not need it; it itself here interferes with all the dirt and humiliates Russian as much as it can.
            2. 0
              25 August 2011 12: 01
              here is a link to the info, I have not read it, but maybe something will help you ...
              http://www.fms.gov.ru/programs/fmsuds/interritory/
  3. -4
    24 August 2011 00: 44
    Why stay? Wait until they finish, like in Chechnya? No, to hell. And let these cherish their statehood and go to graze sheep, for they are no longer capable of anything else.
  4. Daniil
    -1
    24 August 2011 01: 20
    That's right! If the Russians leave Central Asia, in particular Kazakhstan, then Russia will lose its influence there. And also the Baikonur Cosmodrome without which, apart from Plesetsk, Russia will most likely cease to be considered a space power. Not only that, in Kazakhstan, there is an American air base so they’ll even think of placing their missile defense and air defense systems there aimed at our country. How do you like this?
    1. Superduck
      +2
      24 August 2011 11: 35
      Quote: Daniil
      Not only does Kazakhstan have an American air base

      And not in Kyrgyzstan?
    2. nnnnnnnnn
      +4
      24 August 2011 12: 33
      Daniil's comrade in Bishkek is the base of the US Air Force and is now called the NATO transit point, and Kazakhstan’s air defense system is joint with Russia. just a note.
    3. 0
      28 October 2018 11: 44
      If there are any = Russians, the Americans will not deploy missile defense?
    4. 0
      6 November 2018 08: 07
      Do we owe someone something? Again, for the sake of political influence, should we return to Kazakhstan? That there are so many Russians in Russia that they need to populate territories inhabited by previously unfriendly-minded aborigines? There are not so many of us in Russia. And uninhabited land in Russia is even larger. Let the local Central Asian brothers build their states, industries, economies, and culture. And human experiments are wrong. They are already experimenting enough with us within the borders of their native Russia.
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  5. 0
    24 August 2011 02: 23
    The problem is serious. According to the resettlement program in our region, a bit more 2013 Russians from abroad are planned to be relocated to 500, while the quota for migrant workers is more than 1500 per year.
    1. zczczc
      0
      24 August 2011 03: 08
      This is in which region, do not understand? 500 is very small if the region is Russia.
      1. 0
        24 August 2011 15: 01
        Murmansk region
        1. zczczc
          -1
          24 August 2011 20: 32
          Well Duc, the plan is such that there is wonder.

          In fact, you just have to give birth and resettle yours everywhere else, and repatriation is an exhaustive measure - there are still few of ours abroad.
          1. 0
            24 August 2011 23: 28
            RUSSIANS, people, the main population of the Russian Federation (115,889 million people, 2002). 8,334 million Russians (2001) live in Ukraine, 4,48 million (1999) in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan 1,15 million (1999), Belarus 1,142 million (1999), Latvia 700 thousand (2000), Kyrgyzstan 603 thousand (1999), Moldova 501 thousand (1999), Estonia 358 thousand (2000), Turkmenistan 240 thousand (1999), Lithuania 219,8 thousand (2001), Azerbaijan 141,7 thousand (1999), Georgia 140 thousand (1999), Tajikistan 68,2 thousand, Armenia 2000 12,5 thousand (2001). Significant population groups of Russian origin live in many countries of Europe and America, including the USA (2,1 million people, 1990). The total number of Russians in the world is about 135 million people (2002).
            1. zczczc
              -1
              25 August 2011 10: 34
              Well, even less than what I read (20 million against 25).

              Explain what is the point of returning, if here, in fact, the genocide of Russians is going on? 14,5 million of our brother, one way or another, we have not been counted over the past 20 years. We must first create fertile ground for development, IMHO. Nothing special is needed for this - just Russian power, patriots are needed.

              Just consider one point - the repatriation of Russians will finally bury the idea of ​​a revival of the empire.
  6. Gur
    +1
    24 August 2011 08: 48
    Well, it’s easy .. to sympathize and rant while living not on the territory of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan ... there is no real help from the Russian Federation. The last trick .. customs union .. where they said that when leaving for permanent residence in Russia, I can pick up my car and get customs clearance in the Russian Federation .. unless of course the car is purchased later than 1.01.2011. Actually, fig .. I can pick up with you your car without customs clearance in the Russian Federation only under the resettlement program, and as far as I know, the problems are the same. The real help for Russians in Asia could be the status of dual citizenship .. but alas, Russia did not go for it.
    1. 0
      21 October 2018 06: 54
      But the Russian oligarchs have several passports. For the rest of the public, this is prohibited.
  7. hellbringer
    +5
    24 August 2011 09: 51
    Well, firstly, thanks to comrade BNE, I drank everything. And so, yes, yes, we are all the same herd, they are imposing us and we agree. And in order to live there you have to be either a masochist or just a pervert, I know by hearsay he lived in Latvia in the midst of fun events, even passed the Latvian exam ...
    In our case, in order to live and not give up in other countries, our state, the Russian Federation, must support such people or at least defend the interests of its citizens in the territory of another state, which is not practiced at all in principle, it’s only fought for Bout - well, of course that for a reason, it was raped.
  8. +5
    24 August 2011 11: 14
    There are Russian families in Kazakhstan that have lived there for generations. Some arrived as exiles even in the tsarist regime, others raised virgin lands. There were almost no Kazakhs in northern Kazakhstan, a neighbor, a grandmother raising virgin soil, said that occasionally nomadic Kazakhs came on horseback to their settlement, she described them as people who were not aggressive, friendly, but almost half-wild.
    In the village, as far as I remember, there were very few Kazakhs, and those who were Russified, their children learned the Kazakh language (somewhere 1 child per class), together with us, but they did not intend to speak it, and did not know how. I, Russian, participated from the school at the regional Kazakh Olympics, because I knew him better than the rest (including Kazakhs), given that I knew Kazakh very poorly, we can imagine that the Kazakhs did not know him at all.
    Further, an ethnic Kazakh grandmother, with whom she had a chance to talk, said that, according to national customs, she, a girl, was pulled into felt so that her breasts were not visible, (otherwise, it was considered too old - no one would marry), which the heat was almost torture; she lived in a wurt. (Sorry for the digression). So, she spoke both Russian and Kazakh. According to her, it is not necessary to force everyone to learn Kazakh, and her children no longer speak it, and her grandchildren do not understand at all.
    The Russians gave the Kazakhs written language, introduced a settled lifestyle, replaced the feudal system with a socialist one. Many Kazakhs received from the Russians. New cities, factories evacuated as far back as the Second World War, field development, all of Russian culture and the achievements of science. At the same time, the Russians did not make the Kazakhs forget their ethnic culture and traditions. It was the support of one civilization to another. Compare the Indians driven into the reservation to feel the contrast.
    But the Russians also gained access to the raw materials of this rich country for many years. Oil, metals, gas .... Kazakhstan virgin land yielded plentiful crops exported to Russia and today is exhausted by the wrong agricultural approach. (When plowing, such a serious factor for the steppes as weathering of the fertile layer was not taken into account, and there it is very thin).
    Therefore, it is impossible to say unequivocally that we have benefited them., And they spat in us.
    The union of Russians and Kazakhs has given a lot to this country, and when the Kazakhs truly feel they are the masters of this land, they will realize that the presence of Russians nearby is a blessing.
    The main thing is that by that time the Russians would still remain there, and this depends on the wisdom of the national policy of the government of Kazakhstan. After all, Kazakhstan was and is a multinational country.
    1. nnnnnnnnn
      +3
      24 August 2011 13: 14
      but don’t forget, we got the Gulag, Algeria, Steplag, and a few more camps, and as we know there were not only political ones, then go to the Semipalatinsk training ground for villages (Abay district), look at the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of stupid Kazakhs who roamed there fun I won’t guarantee , what else and yes peaceful nuclear explosions to list where? Ukraine bills Russia for the famine, and the famine of 1927, 1932, 1939. Regarding the grandmother whose chest was tied with felt, did you see the felt? and if you see then try. Read how nomads choose a wife to read at the leisure of Gumilyov, he described it very well.
      1. +4
        24 August 2011 15: 09
        By the way, did I really talk about stupid Kazakhs? I saw felt, and was in a yurt, but why try something? I believe the person who spoke. Why would grandma lie? How old are you? She had plenty. I trust the eyewitness. This grandmother - do not offend. Good grandmother.)) And why do you believe Russian Gumilyov, but not Kazakh grandmother?
        About the explosions - everything is correct, did not take this item into account, but in vain ..
        Famine was everywhere. I don’t agree here.
        About the camps - if there is info - discard, get acquainted.
        Excuse me, do you want to present an invoice?
    2. Marek Rozny
      +1
      25 November 2012 07: 47
      Well, it’s necessary to rob the Kazakhs in such an anecdotal way, and at the same time they must seem to be an intelligent, friendly woman! begging, what a blessing that you dumped from our wild yurt ...
    3. 0
      28 October 2018 12: 01
      What are you talking about? How can one live if there are no rights, ordinary constitutional rights! Modern Kazakh youth considers Russians to be their enemies, and since the police and judges are also all titular, it’s very uncomfortable to be in a feudal society. Which one came up with the fact that the presence of Russians in Kazakhstan somehow contributes to the expansion of the Russian world. Rave! Only money! Kazakhs, as Abay said, are greedy and love money. They began to build an eastern spaceport and immediately changed their attitude towards Baikonur - they were afraid to lose a billion bucks .. Military training grounds are also well paid, and ethnic, educated Russians have nothing to do with it - in fact, they interfere with the local elite. Why does Russia refuse these people? Russian oligarchs do not need working and not drinking?
      1. 0
        9 November 2018 11: 21
        We are pushing water in a stupa ..... no one owes anything to anyone ... everything is calculated .... We pissed off the empire .... more precisely, the humpback and his team ..... the people just voted for the preservation of the USSR. We used to be a terrible force together ..... but now pathetic shadows ....
  9. nnnnnnnnn
    +4
    24 August 2011 13: 02
    1. The Russians were and are and live in Kazakhstan, no one drove them anywhere and was going to do this and is not going to.
    2. They left in the 90s, you yourself know for what reason in search of a better life, although I know many who, due to the mentality developed in Kazakhstan, could not adapt in Russia, why Russians worked and were workaholic in Kazakhstan, and in Russia you will excuse me not welcome.
    3. sociologist Maxim Akimov clearly does not know what exactly is happening inside the Russian diaspora in Kazakhstan, he reduced the article to sowing ethnic hatred between Kazakhs and Russians, he reduced the Kazakhs to stupid nomads they didn’t have, but we came and please taught these chocks to write while standing, for what this provocateur does this, you probably guessed.
    4. Regarding the state language, why do not you comrades Russians resent the Baltic States, Ukraine, Belarus, etc., but in Kazakhstan, meetings of the Government, Senate, Parliament are held in Russian and this is a fact, the fact is the Russian language is the language of international communication and in which country CIS is it spelled out?
    5. I have many friends, classmates of the Slavs, and no one left for Russia or Ukraine, but the Germans do not argue left, the Jews also went to Israel
    And please, let's move away from stupidity in our comments discussing the positive and negative qualities of nationalities, and discuss specifically what needs to be done and how to solve the problem.
    1. 0
      24 August 2011 13: 33
      I do not fully agree with the 1 clause. My village (Kustanai region) was almost depopulated over the course of several years, the Russians were leaving somewhere, and to Germany too (it’s hard to call the Germans a Russian family in which only her great-cousin great-grandmother was German). Now, for the most part, the village is populated by Kazakhs who came from the southern territories (of course, the holy place is not empty). So there is a departure. The reasons are different, but most simply did not see the future for themselves and their children. And why this happened, you yourself probably know. Our generation studied the Kazakh language as partly optional science, nobody oriented us that it should become our colloquial year, and then 91, the collapse of the USSR and then - the state language - Kazakh, you work in a state institution - you should know ...
      Of course, the policy of Kazakhstan in relation to the Russian population is the mildest in the territory of the former USSR, thanks to Nazarbayev, but mind you, now the nuts have been tightened, it’s not without reason that the same Russian communities are outraged by the closure of Russian schools. Here is the info http://www.russianskz.info/russians/1956-zayavlenie-russkogo-sodruzhestva-kazahs
      tana-po-situacii-svyazannoy-s-zakrytiem-russkih-shkol-vg-temirtau.html
      In my former house in Kazakhstan, only a third of the apartments are occupied by people, most of the houses are "mothballed" - the windows are bricked up ...
      I am not German, not Jewish, I moved and live in Russia, there are many of my compatriots - Kazakhstanis. But this is in Central Russia, most live in the Urals. Facts are a stubborn thing.
      As for our decisions, whatever we decide on the site, but it all depends on the policy of the government of Kazakhstan. But even more from the Kazakh people, do not let your children grow up as Nazis and then everything will form itself. The Kazakhs are held in high esteem by the older generation (a wonderful national trait) and what you invest in youth today will be the key to the friendship of nations. And these are not just beautiful words.
      And there are no simple solutions to this issue.
      1. nnnnnnnnn
        +1
        24 August 2011 14: 21
        What does Nazarbayev have to do with it? there is an expression “if a person's social dignity is taken away, then the national one wakes up” and so the Kazakhs are essentially more tolerant of other peoples. And by the way, there are a lot of Kazakhs living in Saratov, Orenburg, Astrakhan, Omsk regions and in Siberia, there may be an exaggeration about schools, but I don't see anything terrible if we talk about schools in the Kazakh language in my listed regions I will try to throw off links, but I I don’t understand one thing if it’s Europe, China, and at worst the Baltics there, in my opinion, not a single school is left in Russian, so they pass exams and speak state. languages ​​of these countries, but like Central Asia or Kazakhstan, then a universal howl. I often visit Moscow or St. Petersburg for business, but I don't feel safe. Do you hope you feel safe in Kazakhstan?
        http://www.russianskz.info/compatriot/2115-k-rossiyskim-sootechestvennikam-v-kaz
        ahstane-english-ochnites.html
        1. +2
          24 August 2011 14: 59
          Nazarbayev has a policy of tolerance. For example, they told me upon arrival that if a Kazakh insults the Russian nationally. sign, it’s enough just to contact the police, they will put things in order. In other countries (and here too) Russian will not be so protected. He leads the same propaganda as in Estonia and Lithuania, it is not known what would have turned out.
          As for shouts about the statehood of the language, Kazakhstan is positioned as a friendly state, therefore, attention to this issue is different. If everything is clear with others, we are declared invaders and enemies, it is clear that our language is recognized as hostile and prohibited. Why not leave the status of the state language for the Russian language, because there are examples of this. In Canada, English and French have received official status, although French-speaking Canadians live in only two provinces. Switzerland, Singapore, South Africa, three state. language. etc. The percentage of the Russian population is large enough to speak of bilingualism.
          In Moscow, probably no one feels safe. This is our problem and we must solve it, of course, here you are right. On Red Square I met a Kazakh with a guided tour. It was a pleasure. Nostalgia.
          In Kazakhstan, I don’t dare say how I feel, I’m just scared in my native village, because it is deserted. And day and evening. It’s scary to go through the whole village and not meet anyone. Moreover, the streets - as before - are clean, well-groomed houses, but not a soul around. No, however, drunken Kazakhs came up twice and called my husband a brother smiling, hugged and asked for a smoke ... I think the Kazakhs are still very Russified ...)) And those who lived in Kazakhstan in Russia are Kazakhs, regardless nation)).
          1. Ivan35
            0
            24 August 2011 20: 57
            Dear Solodov and nnnnnnnn!
            Thank you for the balanced and reasonable comments - on both sides!
            The main thing that we all understand - Russians cannot leave Kazakhstan - I myself live here and my children will be.
            Secondly, all my Kazakh friends regret the decrease in the number of Russians in Kazakhstan - they were still their great Abai bequeathed to join the Russian culture - not forgetting his course. And the Kazakhs understand that the Russians are not colonialists, but brothers and helpers.
            And the article is suspicious - there is some hint of ethnic hatred here.
            1. Marat
              +2
              24 August 2011 23: 17
              It is a pity that the number of the Russian people in general and its "passionarity" are falling.
              And of course it is a pity that the restructuring and collapse of our country led to the outflow of a certain number of Russians from Kazakhstan and Central Asia.

              I have always expressed my and my relatives and friends' point of view on this site - Russians and Kazakhs are fraternal peoples with a huge common history, I am proud that we, Kazakhs, are the most friendly to Russians of all the peoples of the "new independent republics", anti-Russian sentiments are the lot of individual lumpen - it's not worth talking about them at all. Most Kazakhs that I know are the same patriots of Russia as they are of Kazakhstan and support the government's course towards integration with Russia.

              I share the concerns of Russians about the possibility of limiting the Russian language - but these temporary "pendulum swings" will surely take place with the integration of our republic into virtually one country with Belarus and Russia in the CES and further integration after 2012
        2. 0
          28 October 2018 12: 14
          No, I don’t feel safe - in Kazakhstan I am a disenfranchised person - property is taken away already, judges and prosecutors are ordinary scammers, nobody controls them - the president has self-relieved, you can’t even realize himself. In the Baltic countries, the living standards of the same Russians are much higher, higher education is real, in Kazakhstan everything determines kinship, the Kazakh technical language can be learned, but why if knowledge is not in demand, the situation and connections are in demand. But the worst is that you yourself will understand the Kazakhs, this is the lack of regulatory action.
      2. Marek Rozny
        -3
        25 November 2012 08: 01
        complaining that the Kazakhs have tightened the nuts loosely? I should have given you a kick in the ass to speed up. it is a pity that no one in real life kicked such "Russians", only in your stories to obtain the status of an alleged "forced migrant".
        normal Russians have not been infringed or infringed upon. most of our Russians are already ours. but the chauvinists, the Kazakhs don't need the fuck. When you come to visit Kazakhstan, I will write a poster "Get back to Russia" especially for you.
        She was offended by the fact that in Kazakhstan the Kazakhs decided to revive the destroyed Kazakh language ... They just spat in her soul. Probably fled from Kostanay, because around you there were only Kazakh-speaking alien invaders! and where did these Kazakhs come from in Kazakhstan ??? only in Kazakhstan, newcomer guest workers can disdainfully speak to the local nation: "come in large numbers" ...
        Kazakhs do not have the problem of nationalism. So sleep well in your new dugout. And your florid words covering your own Nazism shove yourself a little deeper. And do not forget to wrap with felt so that it does not fall out. And then those around God will know what they think.
        1. 0
          28 October 2018 12: 24
          Here you go - he says something about kicks, he doesn’t create anything, he’s only cutting the federal budget. Then you could not give kicks, because you would get an answer, But you still dream. What else can you do? So you personally created what? You say about kicks - you can’t beat him all the more with kicks. But it is YOURS who are already beating! Today! In Russia they do not beat. And your police can not do anything, since all are mostly relatives, and such a mentality.
    2. Gur
      0
      25 August 2011 10: 25
      I don’t quite agree with the first point .. they live and will live, yes, to expel, no, obviously, no one did not expel ... but at 90 .. and even now, with the slightest discontent .. the phrase is always inserted - "go to your Russia there and excite ".. yes, many different things are manifested. As for security ... I think that even in my own yard it is no longer safe ... not to mention Moscow.
      More or less agree with the others ..
      With regards to schools and the Kazakh language in it ... tell me, did you read the textbooks in Russian at least in compiled respected agashki ?? ..it’s just sometimes a graveyard ...
      1. Marek Rozny
        -2
        25 November 2012 08: 19
        What textbooks did you read? or so ... only read articles from rushnkz before dinner?
        the phrase "go to Russia" is pronounced only to an already finished person, who before that reproached the "ungrateful" Kazakhs for not appreciating that they were "presented with writing" and "taught to piss while standing (to shit while sitting)". Moreover, most often this is said with a deeply sincere and also almost intellectual look, and sometimes even without fumes).
        but the normal adequate Russian has not and will not have any claims, neither historical, nor religious-national, nor political, nor linguistic. but the "benefactors" were given to all to understand that it is better for them not to stay in the country, where 120 nationalities live. because if someone is allowed to fuck, then tomorrow everyone will begin to insult each other. In Russia it has already sunk to this point that all ethnic groups hate each other. In Kazakhstan, society and the government strictly control this issue. The Kazakhs, like other descendants of the Horde, have a sense of proportion in this matter. For centuries in our country, for such an exaggeration in relations with people of other faiths, their own khans, the Bosko, were chopped off. Therefore, we clearly feel where people crossed the line. And since it is now inhumane and a criminal offense to chop bots and impale them, they simply squeezed out all sorts of rags.
        But now in Kazakhstan hell where you come across an insult on the basis of nationality. We do not have Russia, in which everyone shares each other into chocks, khachiks, osloeb_v, pig-eaters, and so on. And the Russians are still trying to teach Kazakhs tolerance :)))) First, learn to follow their own language together, and then you can communicate again as people.
        1. 0
          25 November 2012 08: 56
          I did not understand what you are pursuing, continuing the theme, which is more than a year old, and even similar expressions.
          If your goal is to organize another srach, then I will greatly disappoint you. I am opposed to any o- and kazakrachera, so I inform you that I will gladly send you to the ban.
          Please note.
  10. nnnnnnnnn
    +1
    24 August 2011 13: 15
    1. The Russians were and are and live in Kazakhstan, no one drove them anywhere and was going to do this and is not going to.
    2. They left in the 90s, you yourself know for what reason in search of a better life, although I know many who, due to the mentality developed in Kazakhstan, could not adapt in Russia, why Russians worked and were workaholic in Kazakhstan, and in Russia you will excuse me not welcome.
    3. sociologist Maxim Akimov clearly does not know what exactly is happening inside the Russian diaspora in Kazakhstan, he reduced the article to sowing ethnic hatred between Kazakhs and Russians, he reduced the Kazakhs to stupid nomads they didn’t have, but we came and please taught these chocks to write while standing, for what this provocateur does this, you probably guessed.
    4. Regarding the state language, why do not you comrades Russians resent the Baltic States, Ukraine, Belarus, etc., but in Kazakhstan, meetings of the Government, Senate, Parliament are held in Russian and this is a fact, the fact is the Russian language is the language of international communication and in which country CIS is it spelled out?
    5. I have many friends, classmates of the Slavs, and no one left for Russia or Ukraine, but the Germans do not argue left, the Jews also went to Israel
    And please, let's move away from stupidity in our comments discussing the positive and negative qualities of nationalities, and discuss specifically what needs to be done and how to solve the problem.
  11. Pinocchio
    0
    24 August 2011 19: 36
    If you look geopolitically, the author of the article is absolutely right ...... the Russian withdrawal from Central Asia is a platform for the Western Alliance and the strengthening of the ring around Russia. Nazarbayev pursues a policy of maneuvering, both ours, and yours, and theirs, both above and below ......... no specifics. Business is very political. The elite was brought up on other principles ........ what is beneficial to the state ........... or to business ............. in the territory of the former state?
    1. Ivan35
      +1
      24 August 2011 20: 53
      Nazarbayev has clearly defined himself in recent years - he is integrating with Russia into one country (and not from the United States or China - which is a nightmare for the Kazakhs at the level of genetic memory)
      Moreover, Russia creates much less problems during the unification processes than the same Belarus
      1. 0
        21 October 2018 07: 00
        Nothing like this. One country will not be! If Russia had a fight with almost all countries, then what does Kazakhstan have to do with it? Let everyone go their own way.
      2. 0
        28 October 2018 12: 26
        ? ? ? ? ...what do you mean?
  12. +1
    25 August 2011 12: 18
    What else do I want to say - I’ve left Kazakhstan for 9 years, now, when I look at a photo of my village, it seems to me that my life was stolen. The village lives, (maybe not very well) something is changing, new buildings, even the landscape and the channel of the flowing river are changing, but it seems that they threw me out of there.
    My friends were almost gone - they parted, many memorable places were left, but part of me is still there.
    Russian compatriots, if possible - live in Kazakhstan, not for the sake of strengthening and influence of Russia, but because there is your homeland. Remember that here, in Russia, there are many problems that you will learn about only when you start living here. The most difficult is the difference in mentality. The closest people to us are from the Urals, deeper into Russia - stronger differences. It’s more difficult to integrate.
    You, like us, who have been living here for a long time, will see a compatriot in the crowd in the manner of communication and openness. This is what the least thought of when moving.
    Ivan35, Marat, I have been reading your comments for a long time, there would be more people like you, and we would not meet to discuss such a sad topic.
    1. Marat
      0
      25 August 2011 22: 00
      I share the point of view of Ivan35 that the restoration of the Empire - the union of the steppes and Slavs is a great blessing for all its peoples. The Russian people have a special responsibility as the largest - this is the core around which we will all come together!
      I also agree with him that information is a weapon and there is a real war "in the minds" against the restoration of the Union, - I return you a compliment - your balanced, judicious comments show that you are our man in this "war" and a real Russian!
  13. Daulet
    +2
    11 September 2011 23: 06
    Reading this article, I do not penetrate Mr. Akimov with respect, a typical article of an average analyst will actually open your eyes to the fact that you are writing here, unfortunately, your subjective opinion and only it does not correspond to reality. Those insults that I hear primarily in my address and in the address of my great nation (I am no less a patriot than you Mr. Akimov) says that you are a person, as they say, with corridor-style nationalist-imperialist thinking i.e. not far away. I just want to say simply roll your lip. I’m writing not my great native, because I’m sure you won’t understand, but I know perfectly my native Kazakh, Russian, to the point, and English with German. so it would be better if I wrote an article about the fact that the Russians living in Kazakhstan would finally respect your Native people and start learning the great Kazakh language and discover the whole history and depth of the culture of this great people.
    1. 0
      6 December 2018 17: 43
      The intelligentsia is not extinct! Bauyrym !!! Wasps үшін жақсы көремін халқымды.
  14. 0
    21 October 2018 06: 50
    What time did the author get out of? Talk about the indigenous or non-indigenous population of Kazakhstan was conducted in the 90s against the backdrop of euphoria about the gained independence. Now no one remembers this.
    "We are being forced to study the Kazakh language" Well, actually, this is correct. Come to any European country - knowledge of the local language is a must for migrants. Language courses are organized for them. Otherwise, how can they communicate at work or at home? And why is it bad to know another language? In this sense, Kazakhs are even ahead, because many know Russian. But Russian Kazakh is rare.
    "Russians in Kazakhstan sound the alarm in connection with" Kazakhization "," Complete nonsense, nobody beats anything.
  15. 0
    22 October 2018 15: 34
    And what will the Kazakhs say on the topic of this article? Without irony, with respect to you. He lived for 15 years, in the once Part of the Russian Empire, Uralsk. For me, this is the cornerstone, and the Kazakhs must also decide whether they need Russians. And the Russian government should help the Russians, or those who consider themselves as such will be determined by them on the territory of Russia. After all, if they do not need us “Russians”, then Russia has vast territories where we can “settle Russians”. Where, accordingly, should be the help of the state, whose help is not noticeable.
    1. 0
      28 October 2018 11: 52
      I have never seen a high-tech product that would be produced in Kazakhstan and designed by Kazakh engineers - that’s the whole depth, Mr. Daulet. Greatness does not need to be scooped in the depths of centuries, you still cannot find it because there is no chronicle, you need to look for it in the present, when you walk along the edge of time and create great technological solutions or surprise the world with beautiful examples of creativity in any field of art. The author wrote everything correctly except one thing - this is the land of the Kazakhs, this is their house, we are any guests there. Away you need to be polite, but no one will pour honey into the ears of flattery to the Kazakhs. If you want to become great, create science, create technology, and be the first on this planet. My son teaches Kazakh, he will be useful to him in everyday life, but not as for development.
      1. 0
        31 October 2018 20: 12
        Let people live peacefully without your moralizing and you will see how good they are without you! And better solve your eternal problems, and do not teach others to live without being able to live a normal life! There are many examples, but I will give only one, but cutting eyes. Compare what Alma-Ata was for 70 years of Soviet power and what it became in just 25 years of independence. About seedy Akmolinsk and say nothing, look at Astana! And stop talking about what the Russians built here. They built for themselves and anyhow! More thanks, no! We'll get along!
        1. +1
          2 November 2018 18: 36
          For God's sake ...
          Just don’t forget about the fact how much education has fallen, medicine has simply become dangerous, $ 200 billion of public debt, and everything is in order, Almaty is drowning after rain, that's all right, I don’t argue.
          I am not a supporter of the argument that the Russians "built everything", since I take into account the fact how much resources were given by Kazakhstan to the USSR, these are huge reserves and money. And consequently, everything is paid in essence and based on this fact we can say that no one owes anything to anyone.
        2. +1
          6 November 2018 08: 21
          Most strange, but I agree with ArmanZhaza. You live in Kazakhstan, you must know the Kazakh language, write, read, speak. I didn’t want to - I packed up and went home to Russia back in the 90s. I live in Russia and thank God all. And the great - less great state-people-language is a very subjective opinion and too lazy to spend your time on disputes about this. Moreover, no one will prove anything to anyone!
      2. 0
        6 December 2018 17: 38
        Every 3rd bullet that struck a German, a fascist in the Second World War, was made by shepherds in the steppe, the shepherd’s son found them underground, and the shepherds went to battle equally with everyone. They simply shot the intelligentsia and there was no one to say the word, but it will still make itself felt and there will be achievements. The nation has become smarter. Thanks to the President!
      3. 0
        7 December 2018 14: 13
        In general, the greatness of the country is determined not by the engineering developments of some products, but by the standard of living of the population. Here is the United States and Russia - it seems like both are full of engineering developments. True, there are more in the USA. But if Americans are proud of the greatness of their country, then what does the Russians have to do with it? What are they proud of? What drove through the territory of the Russian Empire? And they are constantly fed "breakfasts", so bear with 5-10 years, then everything will be fine. Although the most interesting thing is that Russians have always been accustomed to living in the poor, and perhaps this is in the genes, which suits everyone. It is this behavior and natural laziness that saves the authorities, otherwise they would have dispersed everyone long ago.
    2. 0
      6 December 2018 17: 39
      Reasonable. I am your friend from the steppe))
  16. 0
    9 November 2018 10: 35
    I have nothing against the author ... I see his tolerant attitude towards other nations, but nevertheless, the methods of comparing Mr. Akimov are one-sided and even harmful to the Slavs themselves .... Russian is no longer a nationality, but something more .... more capacious due to the size of Russia, its influence, etc. ... So be as wide as your power, Mr. Akimov ... since ancient times, the Russian people were replenished with service people from the steppe (mercenaries or allies of princes, just good luck soldiers from black hoods, Polovtsian, Mongol, Bashkirs, Tatars, etc.) Russia accepted all who could honestly serve her as a crooked saber or their skillful skills. They all found themselves in the Russian people - they became their own, because the Russians were not chauvinists at that time, thanks to which Russia grew stronger and grew at the expense of all lands and peoples, for the most part voluntarily included in its composition.
    Mr. Akimov sees everything in a completely different light ... Typically "colonization" approach .... "white man's burden" .... they say you are orphaned, and we are all in white .... and all of Central Asia is presented to him as something always backward since ancient times .... Yes, I agree, there is currently a lag in the technical and material terms, but the loan says that it has always been like this ..... Someone will say that the Kyrgyz and Kazakhs have nothing to do to the ancient developed cultures of Central Asia .... Let's look at a small example ... the territory of Kyrgyzstan - the Great Silk Road passed ... from VI - III BC. For almost 1400 years, cities in the Chui valley stood the huge trading cities of Balasagyn, Suyab, Navekat, Dzhul, Osh - this was at the time when London was a small fishing village ... And the capital of the Usun nomads on Lake Issyk-Kul, Chigu? The Chinese chronicles (reliable - not biased source) directly indicate that the Usuns are nomads and have cities, crafts, a complex state apparatus, and officials. I will tell you more, the Chinese directly write "Usun - go", where "go" is a hieroglyph meaning a full-fledged state. The well-known Russian historian Aristov directly points out that the Usuns are the Kirghiz. That is akin to the ancient Slavs, Ant and Russian. And these are just a couple of examples ... I have nothing against the patriotism of the author. It is commendable. But the facts must not be distorted. Every nation should know its history as it was, where it was and the glorious and dark pages on which people should learn ...
  17. 0
    6 December 2018 17: 25
    the author of the article, you fell low. At 41m, our grandfathers desperately defended Moscow from the Nazis. I thought they protected. But you are a Russian fascist. Even the tyrant I.V. Stalin always emphasized the slogan of the USSR, all nations are equal, and you are next to him insignificance, as a person, and even more so as a person who, not knowing his story, crawls into someone else's. I am Kazakh, and all my ancestors were Kazakhs, in the steppe, pastoralists. But the culture of speech is developed in such a way that the English language next to it turns out to be fifth-grader literature. This is proved by the manner of Kazakh speech with rich comparatively hidden implications that do not know the culture of this speech, and the culture of this nation as a whole, will be absolutely alien and incomprehensible. I emphasize once again - you are a jerk! The insignificance that incites ethnic hatred, and instead of having an uneasy moment for Russia to attract allies, you want her to be disliked even more. Maybe you are an American agent. And I think the way it is. After all, here, on the land of nomadic peoples, there are others, including Russians, out of five neighbors at least three families. And we live normally. As a single people. Joys and problems are common. I advise you not to spread your fingers on the keyboard anymore, otherwise the local Russians will beat you up. To all the rest, I wish to study history more deeply, and of course to remember our Victory, by the way, Kazakh R. KOSHKARBAYEV and Tatars G. BULATOV raised the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag. Peaceful Neighbors, and long years of friendship, no matter what!
  18. 0
    7 December 2018 13: 54
    Perhaps the laws on granting Russian citizenship are so specially drawn up to create a lot of obstacles to immigrants. Let them sit in their places in the republics and demand their rights. And what can scattered people do? Russia does not need them, and when it smells fried, they immediately appeal to their help. Of course, in Kazakhstan there is a Russian community where they will provide advice. But this is not a political organization. And why should they think about the supposedly greatness of Russia? And who of the Russian authorities really thinks of them? So leave people alone. They have their own concerns, not how to renew Russia's influence.
  19. 0
    16 December 2018 02: 36
    The Russians, on the contrary, should flee Kazakhstan headlong Soon, Chinese comrades will join Kazakhtan, empty by Chinese standards, and Kazakh nationalists, like wild Uyghurs, will be sent, led by Nazarbayev, to march in political camps worse than the company of the honor guard on May 9!
  20. 0
    15 January 2019 13: 11
    Some kind of not quite adequate article. Muddy, I would say.
    What does it mean - sedentary, unsettled? Does this mean that the level of civilization is determined? Yes, the nomadic people (Kazakhs, for example) have not run into any hole in the city-fortifications, the capital. What would they do with them if the STADA of small and cattle were the basis of the economy. Try to feed and drink the cattle settled living in one place - this is necessary whole expeditions-heavy trains to arrange for the delivery of feed. If there is water. And if there is neither one nor the other, then how?
    Well in Russia, every 50 meters a river is a river, a forest or a forest-steppe.
    And if in Kazakhstan, from a river to a brook or a well, 200-300 kilometers, then what about?
    Therefore, it turned out that in forests and rivers live more comfortableIt was not settled, but in the steppes - a nomadic way. And this has a very indirect relation to the level of culture - the nomads did not need trigonometry and sopromat theory, and the sedentary ones did not need the knowledge of the steppe and desert grass circulation, the use of MINIMUM of resources to obtain maximum efficiency.
    Where now is the Kazakh capital, Astana, earlier, and now, there were cemeteries of their ancestors. Kazakhs. So, those cemeteries were completely arranged and well-groomed, maybe even better than the capitals of individual states. But - not for housing. And for worship. Can this be considered settled or not exceptionally well-kept cemeteries?
    So, the notion of sedentaryness - as a synonym for autochthonism - has no foundation. I think so.
    But the fact that there is an extrusion of Russians and the rest .... who does not want to dance to the tune of violent autochthonization - I also can’t accept this.
    I didn’t want to receive it in Tashkent - I went to Russia. I will not say that I very easily entered the "Russian mentality" immediately upon arrival (although I studied at the university and served here), but ..... but ... the culture has its own, after all.
    And now, with bewilderment, I think - where and why are there so many Uzbeks and Tajiks in Russia that it turned out wrong for them in their homeland? So the point is something - those, my peers in Uzbekistan, who were so eager for rags defending the "age-old, thousand-year" culture of the Uzbeks, stayed where they were. And they sent their youth here, to Russia! Why would?
    So ..... local "gentlemen and bai" share subsidies and investments of the West in an anti-Russian direction - and young stunners suffer. The youth.
    This would write articles.
    And also about the fact that our government, reciting the care of compatriots - will not hit finger to finger, so that the process goes ..... well, at least without putting sticks in the wheels. That's what a shame!
    Worthless article. About nothing. And there is no need.