In the Crimea, can start the construction of "Bison" hovercraft

Crimean Industry Minister Andrei Skrynnik said that the region could resume the construction of hovercraft for the needs of Russia.

“There are plans for the construction of ships of the Zubr type for the needs of Russia to be resumed at the base, first and foremost, of the More plant,” Skrynnik cites "Military Industrial Courier".

The Minister noted that the construction of military ships will be engaged in six enterprises of the Crimea, including the Simferopol plant "Fiolent", which produces navigation equipment, as well as the enterprises "Stekloplast" and "Sudokomposite".

“Plans are also being worked out for laying the ships for the Border Guard Service,” the minister noted.

According to him, the Russian Navy can get a Zubr-type hovercraft, built by More, commissioned by the Greek military several years ago, and which was never handed over to the customer.

"The ship was almost completed, passed the sea trials, readiness, in my estimation, consisted of more than 95%", - said Skrynnik.

According to him, at the moment the state of the ship is being studied by representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, who will decide on the parameters of its modernization.

Comments

[Giant thought]

But such a construction of the Bison would be very desirable.

[DRA-88]

It is very good that Crimea begins to resume its production life!
Dreams of Nikolaev shipyards ..., there you can build ships of large displacement.

[crazyrom]

Quote: DRA-88

build ships of large displacement.

Large is also good, but we must build these terrible ones on the pillow. They are feared as fire because their enemies do not and will not. And the landing they are very well thrown hehe

[hedgehog in the fog]

I’ll come back to the past topic on the military development of the Arctic, such machines are the most moving along the Arctic relief, quickly and universally

[avt]

Quote: hedgehog in the fog

I’ll come back to the past topic on the military development of the Arctic, such machines are the most moving along the Arctic relief, quickly and universally

On hummocks with an inflatable skirt? I don’t know how I doubt the expediency of such devices for the practically open sea. No, of course there is something of the size of a "Murena" for the UDC to have a good supply. But a "Bison"? The Greeks between the islands are the very thing, in the Baltic it seems to be comfortable for him too. Maybe a ready-made one, if not sell, then send it to the Baltic before the set, and on the Sea "make ekranoplanes with dimensions" Eaglet "and" Moon " ?? Again, Beria's people are nearby - it is easier to establish cooperation.

[ty60]

But this is even more interesting.

[tilovaykrisa]

The ekranoplanes in the form that they did not justify themselves in the 80s, either design and build new ones with 0 or forget, ZUBR is a BLITZKRIG concept for any warm coastal zone, given that our army is preparing for local wars and limited military operations, this technique in the subject.

5 bison with a landing and equipment, and Odessa is already part of the Russian Federation)))

[avt]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

WIG in the form that they were in the 80s did not justify themselves

And who said that it is not necessary to build, old projects ??? I said that

Quote: avt

"to make ekranoplanes with dimensions with ,, Eaglet and ,, Moon"

Well, let it be sizes comparable with them, with those old ones.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: avt

to make ekranoplanes with dimensions with ,, Eaglet and ,, Moon ", well, smaller ??

The construction of large ekranoplanes for the needs of the Navy is still in a state of projects.
After all, Alekseev’s design bureau practically collapsed;
It will take some time to restore the work of the design bureau at least to its former level.

[valokordin]

Quote: hedgehog in the fog

I’ll come back to the past topic on the military development of the Arctic, such machines are the most moving along the Arctic relief, quickly and universally

Everything would be fine, but they forgot about hummocks, although they can probably be circled.

[shasherin_pavel]

Hummocks do not steamer rubber if it has free circulation, while hummocks form in shallow water when one ice floe sits on a bank, and the other crashes into it, if there is something like this in the open sea, then this ice descended from shallow water at high tide. Snowmobiles, on cameras from cars, were tested at construction sites, drove through reinforcement and wire, and not a single puncture, as soft rubber misses but does not pierce.

[tilovaykrisa]

Such a machine can land troops in ANY coastal zone, it allows you to do what no BDK can do. By the way, for arkitika it does not go, you need to change some performance characteristics of it for warm water (relatively).

[Sunzu]

I would ask which performance characteristics need to be changed for the Arctic?

[wasjasibirjac]

most likely - the frost resistance of the rubber "skirt" and oil seals, i.e. those parts that must remain flexible at low temperatures.

[tilovaykrisa]

Not only skirts, it’s half the trouble, drizzle is formed and if it is scraped with crowbars because there is access, what to do here is not clear, again the air movement is very large and it will turn into ice in minutes and the skirt will not work as a tank for scrap with it , also the screws (mover) will specifically collect ice, well, of course, the strength of the skirt and a bunch of problems that have not yet been solved (by anyone).
Ms. Mistral was washed down under the northern latitudes by a special project in kb, you can make a bison for the Arctic, but it will not be a bison from the 80s, but a White Bear from 2014 but there are other grandmothers.

[chunga-changa]

Quote: Thought Giant

But such a construction of the Bison would be very desirable.

I wonder why this would be. Now they are building a recreation center pr.21820 with the same functions. Cheaper at times, take 100t. more, driven further, yes, of course the speed is less, but nothing more.

[fzr1000]

Well, they will design the Bison-2. Better. Problems remained, I hope.

[Sunzu]

And here is one thing but! How many percent of the world coast is adapted for landing by the method of launching a landing displacement ship to the ground. I answer 3-7% (according to various estimates). Amphibious forces immediately cover 75% of the unequipped coast. Again, the speed of 55-60 knots, plus overcoming hard obstacles (such as concrete walls) with a height of 1,2 m from the surface. And this is with a mass of 400 tons.

[sub307]

And this Greek order will have to be delivered to the Russian Black Sea Fleet just in time.

[Sunzu]

Any order for Bison fits any of our fleet. One problem is the power plant produced by Zarya-Mashproekt, Nikolaev, dill.

[Sergei1982]

Yes, it would be nice to deploy them in 4 (each) to the Baltic Fleet and the Black Sea Fleet and a couple to the Caspian.

[Sergei1982]

Yes, it would be nice to deploy them in 4 (each) to the Baltic Fleet and the Black Sea Fleet and a couple to the Caspian.

[shasherin_pavel]

And in the Far East, between the islands of the archipelago? And how can they come in handy under the threat of earthquakes and tsunamis, for the evacuation of residents. Which ship can arrive more quickly and take aboard people at risk of disaster?

[lom]

here it is very pleasing finally waited

[sever.56]

Let Crimean enterprises work for the defense of Russia, and not for the pocket of the fascist oligarchs of Ukraine !!!

[Barakuda]

Floated today with a marine theme! Yes, and positive.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Well! and then the liberals ached ... everything is destroyed, everything is lost .. Crimea to feed ...! ((..yes to feed himself, and give you. not all at once.

[shasherin_pavel]

Forgot that most of the Ukrainian economy rested on revenues from the Crimea.

[Stanislav 1978]

, built by More on the order of the Greek military several years ago, which was never transferred to the customer.
It is certainly good that Russia will have new ships, but why did the Greeks refuse?

[Penelope]

That will be the development of industry in the Crimea, only one plus will be from such a decision.

[ty60]

I think the finances during the crisis, the EU squeezed.

[shasherin_pavel]

Quote: Stanislav 1978

but why did the Greeks refuse

One thing is Russian, another is Ukrainian ... it is enough to recall the first step for Amers. the ship. And how did they go wrong with the supply of weapons to the Middle East ... they brought rusty armored personnel carriers ... stunned not to get up, so disgrace!

[Gans1234]

The Greeks were very happy with them and wanted more. And would get
But tyk as you remember - they recently had an economic collapse - had to cut costs - the dumb dumb in the country

[KOH]

Why should the Greeks, we will need more ...

[red rocket]

Good news, Russia needs Bison !!!

[vdtomsk]

And let people rejoice that they have become necessary for their state and its people, that their children can go to study at wonderful educational institutions, that they will know and remember their history, have a goal in their present existence and be proud that they live in such a wonderful country.

[silver169]

But this is great news, it is necessary to load Crimean enterprises, as well as urgently increasing the number of hovercraft for the Russian Navy, in the light of recent events in the world.

[GUS]

Quote: Stanislav 1978

, built by More on the order of the Greek military several years ago, which was never transferred to the customer.
It is certainly good that Russia will have new ships, but why did the Greeks refuse?

Everything is very simple. There is no money. As they entered the EU, they ended, but a permanent crisis began.

[fregina1]

Yes, the Greeks refused along the way, because the gold reserve is dumb! They are now clearly not up to "bison! Without a gold reserve you will not fight, everything is like in" Wedding in a robin "! An ingenious film for all times! tired of waiting for a long time! That's where they belong!

[svp67]

Crimean Industry Minister Andrei Skrynnik said that the region could resume the construction of hovercraft for the needs of Russia.

This is where the word "CAN" is very frustrating. The construction of the KVP simply MUST be resumed ... they will find work everywhere. And we will raise the Crimean industry.

[Tarpon]

[quote = svp67] [quote] Crimean Industry Minister Andrey Skrynnik said that the region could resume the construction of military hovercraft for the needs of Russia. [/ quote] This is where the word "CAN" is very frustrating.
Yes, there is a very long distance between "may" and "started". Although ... if acceleration is given from above ...

[quote = svp67] The construction of the KVP just needs to be renewed ...they will find work everywhere. And the industry of Crimea will be raised. [/ Quote]
Totally agree!

[Prager]

the project is wonderful, it is necessary to build such ships as much as possible for all our fleets.

[KOH]

A little off topic:

St. Louis police reported firing in one of Ferguson's districts, where riots continue after a jury trial in the killing of a teenager by a police officer. A message about automatic queues is posted on the local police account on Twitter.

It also became known that the US Federal Aviation Administration decided to introduce a no-fly zone over the protested city. And the authorities of St. Louis ordered to close the Ferguson airport.

[kostyan77708]

urgently need to support the residents of Ferguson, send Lavrov with cookies!

[Drew]

a serious unit plus work for the Crimea. Very positive

[or]

And this is the thing! It is good when the defense industry has money, brains and skillful, hardworking hands.

[jesus045]

hah and what was the reason for the refusal of the Greek military?

[kostyan77708]

the reason is apparently in the delivery time and in the price, for Ukrainians (not Ukrainians) built

[Sunzu]

The reason is simple. The first board, codenamed "Ivan Bohun", was paid for and sent to the Greeks. Then everything is in the style of dill, steal more. The second board for the Greeks is "Gorlovka" which is used. But what is so special about this flying parahead? The fact that he participated in the evacuation of Shevardnadze in the 90s. It turned out that, in order to fight off the pursuit of Georgian boats, the ship had to be turned around a la "police turn" at a decent speed. The consequence of this maneuver is microcracks throughout the body. Approximately 100 per 1 sq.m. Fuck the Greeks such a boat. They are also not fools. They brought "fashionable" ultrasound diagnostics, the case was "enlightened" and that's it. Product rejection. Although the power plant is zero, in my opinion, 2007. The resource there is to fly and fly.

[pahom54]

"Andrey Skrynnik said that in the region can to resume the construction of military hovercraft for the needs of Russia "...

Yes they can’t, but they must !!! Well, the Ukrainians built for China, but we can not for ourselves? Moreover, the Crimean plants get a job ...

[Throw]

At the present time, it would be good to expand the concept of application to the shock and put air defense and missile defense systems. All the same, it can carry 150 tons.

[pahom54]

Quote: Lance

At the present time, it would be good to expand the concept of application to the shock and put air defense and missile defense systems. All the same, it can carry 150 tons.

Then the target ability will lose, that is, the delivery of the landing and so on ... And let others cover it, strike, intended for this ...

[Throw]

No, to do both landing and strike on the same platform. And then the landing will be the first to arrive, and the cover for 150 miles will still row?

[alesayka]

In Nizhny Novgorod, they did something similar, but everything was in a drowned state and hovercraft and ekranoplanes (KB Alekseeva), so that they could transfer the plans of some to dock with others. And you need military equipment for any needs, and civilian instead of the same ferry crossing. But again we run into ... If it’s easier for them to sit, they don’t need to - and if they thought about how their jobs should be, then it was already RUSSIA

[sub307]

"Landing ship of project 12322" Zubr "- Soviet small landing craft on an air cushion (MDKVP), a military hovercraft. The largest hovercraft in the world.

MDKVP, the world's largest air-cushion landing ship, is designed to receive amphibious assault units with combat equipment from an equipped or unequipped coast, transport by sea, land on the enemy coast and provide fire support for the landing troops. "

[sub307]

"Amphibious capacity
The ship is capable of transporting:
• 3 main tanks with a total weight of up to 150 tons
• or alternatively 10 armored personnel carriers with a total mass of up to 131 tons and 140 landing personnel.
• or 8 infantry fighting vehicles with a total mass of up to 115 tons
• or 8 amphibious tanks.
For the landing there are 4 rooms with 140 seats. Instead of military equipment, the room can be equipped to accommodate an additional 366 people (about 500 people in total).
Loading and disembarkation of troops is carried out through the hinged gates located on the bow. "

[sub307]

"
Main characteristics
Displacement
555 tons
Length
57,3 m
Width
25,6 m
Height
21,9 m (largest in terms of airspace)
Engines
5 GGTA
Power
5 × 10 000 l. with.
Travel speed
60 knots (111,12 km / h)
Range of navigation
300 nautical miles
Autonomy of swimming
5 days
Crew
27 people
weaponry
Artillery
two launchers of the A-22 Fire system for 140 mm unguided missile shells (ammunition - 66 shells) and a fire control system
Flak
two 30 mm automatic installations of the AK-630 type (ammunition - 3000 shells) and the MR-123-02 firing control system
Missile weapons
8 sets of portable air defense systems of the Igla type

[Tektor]

Cruising range - 300 nautical miles

No, I can’t carry fish from the Far East ...

[Ze Kot]

This is a good thing! The business is necessary!

[tag17]

Many times I drove past the plant back in Soviet times, how many people worked ... And if the plant works normally, then how many jobs ...

[Sunzu]

Power saved (more or less). Even the frames are. The Chinese still built one order and handed over.

[Number 17]

There is such wisdom. If you do not feed your army, then you will feed someone else's. The second wisdom is to leave the border, otherwise it will come for you. We left the Afghan-Tajik border, now it seems it will be necessary to return.

[x.andvlad]

It is good that such equipment can be made in Crimea. We must not lose such a touch. You need to build "Bison", both for yourself and for sale.
And the Greeks abandoned it, probably due to lack of money, due to their economic crisis.

[Serbor]

I may be writing stupidity now, but I'm forgiven - I'm not a specialist. Why not think over two variants of boats on the Zubr platform. 1 - strike with anti-ship missiles or KR and 2 - air defense boat (with serious medium and short-range air defense systems). A combination of 3-4 strikers under the cover of 2-3 air defense boats, taking into account their speed, could deliver a lot of headaches to any enemy.

[cobalt]

Thus, we have long had the Bora and Samum hovercraft. Only for some reason they did not go into the series.
The first (experimental) missile hovercraft of Project 1239 was the Bora RCVP, commissioned to the Navy in 1989 and, after trial operation, became part of the permanent readiness forces of the Black Sea Fleet in 1997. In terms of strike potential, this RCVP in the Black Sea Fleet has no equal. In NATO it was given the name "Dergach". Since the beginning of the 90s, it has been the largest in its subclass in the practice of Russian and world shipbuilding, a high-speed warship using a hydrodynamic platform - a catamaran with aerostatic air discharge.


Currently, there are only 11 combat, and not experimental, skeg-type KVPs in the world. These ships include only the Russian Navy and the Norwegian Navy. The Norwegians have small, three times smaller than the Samum and Bora, mine-sweeping ships: 4 seekers and 5 minesweepers. The Norwegian program for the construction of ships of this type was designed primarily to solve the problem of explosion resistance. A series of experiments have shown that KVP have advantages over traditional projects in these parameters.

[Sunzu]

What the hell? sorry for the question. Why complicate things? And how do you imagine guidance and target designation systems at a speed of 40-60 knots? If one of our designers comes up with such a thing, he will be on a par with Einstein. Everything is simple here. Do not be lazy and on YouTube find the program "Impact Force" about "Bison" a lot of answers to many questions.

[sazhka4]

The main word is "can". Or maybe not. How God puts it on the Soul. Strange state policy.

[Vadim237]

You need to create a new hovercraft, and the Bison is an old ship.

[askort154]

Everything is impressive, except for a sailing range of 300 miles. In the Baltic or Sakhalin it is possible, but on the Black Sea - to Turkey or Romania, only one way.

[Deadmen]

and I used to think that such developments are needed in a piecewise version

[Zomanus]

In general, Crimea needs to be loaded with production in full. Let the technique be thought, done, tested and put into operation for themselves. Well, this is what I figuratively say "ourselves." It's just that this is a real testing ground with very mild climatic conditions, and very tough political ones. But in general, it pretended so ... We put one Armor and a couple of containers with calibers on the Bison. And in general, super for the World Cup.

[TECHNOLOGY]

Hello. Bison. Just Bison.