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Finnish President said the country will not join NATO, so as not to harm relations with Russia

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Finnish President Sauli Niinistö said that the country he heads is not going to join NATO in the near future. According to Niinistö, filing an application for membership in the North Atlantic Alliance may result in deterioration of relations with the Russian Federation. This Finnish president told reporters the American edition The Washington Post.

Finnish President said the country will not join NATO, so as not to harm relations with Russia


Sauli Niinistö:
We cooperate with Sweden, with the NATO countries, we will help the members of the alliance if they face serious problems (...) but this is obvious: if Finland joins NATO, then this fact will only harm our relations (from the Russian Federation - note "VO" ). You know that our border is 1300 km. It is not closed. On the contrary, it is a "live" border.

We consider joining NATO as an opportunity, but the choice should be free and open, it is part of the balance.


With words about freedom and openness of choice, the President of Finland clearly makes it clear that many instances of NATO membership (most recently) or talks about such accession are under frank pressure from the main actors of the alliance itself.
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  1. herruvim
    herruvim 24 November 2014 16: 56
    +60
    Weighted and competent decision
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 24 November 2014 17: 00
      +40
      This is a real patriot of his state.
      1. Paradoxov
        Paradoxov 24 November 2014 17: 02
        +22
        Ok yes

        We can only hope that when strong alcohol becomes cheaper in Suomi, the "living border" will not die! wink
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 24 November 2014 17: 27
          +21
          Finally they began to reach. Do we live to see the time when the countries will withdraw from Nata to make friends with Russia?
          1. yushch
            yushch 24 November 2014 17: 57
            +6
            It has always been a mystery to me what prevents neighboring countries from not NATO MEMBERS =) with whom we have normal relations to sign bilateral treaties of friendship, cooperation and mutual assistance ???
          2. s1н7т
            s1н7т 24 November 2014 18: 14
            +6
            Quote: crazyrom
            Can we really live to see the time when countries begin to EXIT

            Alas, we already lived this time once - when de Gaulle appreciated the power of the Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces. This was the last straw (he knew the rest from life experience) to understand that there was no chance against the Union in the war. Now there is no Union, there is the Russian Federation, whose military power is not so er, unambiguous. The oligarchic capital of the Russian Federation is invested in profit, not defense. Why does he need defense from business partners - this is understandable. So let's wait for the cancellation of the Bialowieza conspiracy, privatization and other obscenities, we will raise the economy (as it was already obvious to the whole world), and then the turn of NATO will come - either we will crush it or we will scatter ourselves.
            1. P-38
              P-38 26 November 2014 17: 04
              +3
              Quote: c1n7
              Can we really live to see the time when countries begin to EXIT

              Alas, we already lived this time once - when de Gaulle appreciated the power of the Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces.

              De Gaulle left NATO for no reason. This man was not afraid of the USSR, and made his country a nuclear power. He just did not want to dance to the tune of Washington, as he was always a real man.
              As for the collapse of NATO, I think we will survive. And pretty soon. I’m wondering what will fall apart earlier, NATO or the USA?
              1. andrereu74
                andrereu74 27 November 2014 13: 11
                0
                it will be at the same time))))
          3. brasist
            brasist 27 November 2014 12: 47
            0
            All this is a trap. And there is no way out, just Uncle Sam bent them in full ...
        2. Poppy
          Poppy 25 November 2014 10: 13
          +2
          and why should he get cheaper? they fight alcoholism like that
      2. de klermon
        de klermon 24 November 2014 17: 02
        +16
        The sober approach of a sober person ...
        In our times - a rarity!
        We need to know - how familiar with Zeman is he?
        1. Dreamwriter
          Dreamwriter 24 November 2014 22: 38
          +6
          In fact, by such decisions, it is possible to determine which of the European presidents is under the full control of the United States (such as, for example, Merkel and Hollande, who defend the interests of the United States at an absolute loss to the interests of their countries), and who, for one reason or another, is not or is under weak control. For in the current situation, many European countries would prefer to make such a decision as Finland. But not everyone can.
      3. Enot-poloskun
        Enot-poloskun 24 November 2014 17: 11
        +16
        By the way, according to the Finns - the most inhibited people (the most stupid, in general), this is ... who would you think?

        The correct answer is: Estonians. For some reason, the Finns consider them the most inhibited.

        Where do we have Estonians? That's right, in NATO ...
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 24 November 2014 17: 34
          +33
          There is an Estonian along the railway. Another Estonian rides on a trolley along it. The first :
          - Friend, is it far to Tallinn?
          - No, not far.
          - Give me a ride.
          - Sit down.
          Riding an hour, two, three. The first solves again:
          - Friend, but is it far to Tallinn?
          - Yes. Now far. laughing
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 24 November 2014 17: 41
            +4
            + 100! with her husband under the table ... laughing
        2. Iline
          Iline 24 November 2014 18: 39
          0
          A self-sufficient country really assesses the situation in the world and does not succumb to the hysteria of the West.
          But now in the EU and NATO, many are beginning to vaguely understand that they were raped somewhere, but they still have not understood how specifically. Time will put everything in its place.
      4. Alcoholic
        Alcoholic 24 November 2014 18: 29
        +1
        He just knows how much.
        Do not be smart))
    2. zao74
      zao74 24 November 2014 17: 01
      +5
      Weighted and competent decision
      At least someone thinks soberly and does not become like a mongrel of Amer.
    3. Civil
      Civil 24 November 2014 17: 02
      +7
      Clever kid!
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 24 November 2014 17: 18
        +7
        The Finns are thinking in the right direction .. If God forbid we grapple with NATO, then first of all we will "wet" the nearest NATO countries .. we will not have a choice!
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 24 November 2014 18: 47
          0
          Quote: MIKHAN
          If God forbid we adhere to NATO then

          nothing will save the Finns. I remember that in the stagnant years they were precisely the goal of the unification in which I served then. Perhaps, taking into account the state of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, no one will touch them today, but we’ll pump up our muscles a bit - it’s necessary! This guarantees against enemy actions through their territory and creates a bridgehead for our actions on the enemy. Only a return to the fold of Russia will save them from our claims laughing
      2. Panikovsky
        Panikovsky 24 November 2014 20: 07
        +1
        rightly so, Vadim. this Finnish guy is not stupid and more or less independent in his conclusions. the truth is, I have concerns that the NATO pack will take up arms against him, as against Zeman or Orban.
    4. hedgehog in the fog
      hedgehog in the fog 24 November 2014 17: 58
      +3
      Finns just felt that it was already at a loss, and if they were completely transferred to NATO standards, the country would kneel before the mattresses
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    5. Alcoholic
      Alcoholic 24 November 2014 18: 33
      0
      You are both handsome:)) (and the Giant of Thought) As in political studies.
      Can you give a lecture: why does he do it or will you guess?
  2. Artem25
    Artem25 24 November 2014 17: 02
    +3
    There are still adequate people in Europe.
    1. avt
      avt 24 November 2014 17: 08
      +3
      Quote: Artyom25
      There are still adequate people in Europe.

      At its level, however, there is a deficit. I have not forgotten how to count money and I don’t want to crap in my pocket.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 24 November 2014 17: 22
        +11
        Everything is simpler. They fought a couple of times and realized that not fighting is better than fighting. Well, at least someone did not lose historical memory.
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 24 November 2014 18: 08
          +8
          The Finns, by the way, then fought with us with dignity and now live with their own heads. Unlike the Balts, which are in 40, they are now quickly spreading their legs in front of the owner.
      2. dr.Bo
        dr.Bo 24 November 2014 18: 15
        +4
        Quote: avt
        Quote: Artyom25
        There are still adequate people in Europe.

        At its level, however, there is a deficit. I have not forgotten how to count money and I don’t want to crap in my pocket.

        Man weighed everything. He understands that the United States will put pressure on his country!
        And, low, bow to him for such a position!
    2. sub307
      sub307 24 November 2014 17: 58
      +3
      "There are still adequate people in Europe." And there is still more adequate: Marine Lupine (France, just in case), for example. He takes an openly pro-Russian position (in words, anyway) on the Ukrainian issue, in particular. Recently she received a loan from the Czech-Russian Bank of 9 million euros for her election campaign. all French banks refused. In general, it would be nice to have a president loyal to Russia in France. At least in opposition to Hillary Clinton (in the possible future) adhering to clearly anti-Russian views. PolitakaS, however ...
      1. Performance
        Performance 24 November 2014 18: 32
        +1
        We give them money for a loyal president, and from that shore - another Jackal with a hint. The French know what Maidan since de Gaulle
  3. carbofo
    carbofo 24 November 2014 17: 02
    +3
    They just remember well what it is to lie on the anvil.
    Such memories and facts that led to them develop an adequate attitude to reality!
  4. dimdimich71
    dimdimich71 24 November 2014 17: 03
    +6
    Unlike Lithuania, Finland thinks with its head ... so as not to suffer .....
    1. Penelope
      Penelope 24 November 2014 17: 07
      +5
      And why Finland, tell me this is NATO, they don’t need to go there at all.
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    3. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 24 November 2014 17: 11
      +1
      Quote: dimdimich71
      Unlike Lithuania, Finland thinks with its head ... so as not to suffer .....
      - no one wants to be under the gun of Iskander! laughing
  5. pinecone
    pinecone 24 November 2014 17: 03
    +3
    Here is who the Balts need to learn from.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 24 November 2014 17: 13
      +4
      Finland has long-standing commercial and industrial relations with Russia, since the times of the USSR and there is no fool to see a confrontation to please our Western partners, losing a business partner and the Russian market.
      And what about the Baltic states?
      They destroyed everything Soviet, refuse business relations -
      Well, the flag in their hands and a drum on the neck!
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 24 November 2014 18: 21
        +1
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Finland has long-standing commercial and industrial relations with Russia,

        It's funny As a vassal? laughing They just do not want to repeat the fate of their ancestors. And Ilyich should just pray! Otherwise, in the 90s would have known all the joys of that time!
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 24 November 2014 18: 15
      +1
      Hm. There is nothing for the Baltic States to learn laughing
  6. Baloo
    Baloo 24 November 2014 17: 04
    +2
    Respect. Pleasantly surprised. Finns are good guys. I’ll go to throw 1 drink for the health of the President of Finland, and the prosperity of his country, for the friendship between Russia and Finland.
  7. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 24 November 2014 17: 05
    +4
    They are imposing a decision on the Finns, they are imposing ... But no one asked them ... And apparently in vain!
    Nato is today, tomorrow is not. And Russia is nearby!
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 24 November 2014 17: 11
      +2
      EU sanctions against Russia hit Finns hard.
  8. Andrey77
    Andrey77 24 November 2014 17: 05
    +7
    Trade and tourism with Russia is 80% of the state budget. Clever.
  9. mivmim
    mivmim 24 November 2014 17: 05
    +3
    Well done, pleased. hi
  10. kelevra
    kelevra 24 November 2014 17: 09
    +1
    If they keep their promise, they will confirm their Scandinavian sound mind! Such decisions always bring positive results and a reputation for the country!
  11. Roman 11
    Roman 11 24 November 2014 17: 10
    +5
    Finns are normal, they remember Lenin and Stalin after the Lapland War did not begin to cling to the Union .... + It’s logical to live in good neighborly relations. And our sanctions made us think a lot.
  12. NDR-791
    NDR-791 24 November 2014 17: 11
    +3
    The voice of reason in a sea of ​​idiocy, and the border was once covered, did not help much, though at a great price. Calm Finnish guys fought and collaborated with us. We realized that it was better to trade than to fight. May God and others understand.
  13. KOH
    KOH 24 November 2014 17: 11
    +1
    And then the choice is small, understands the hot Finnish guy ... recourse
  14. Vadim12
    Vadim12 24 November 2014 17: 14
    +3
    If the Finns join NATO, they are unlikely to be smacked with vodka in Russia. wink
    1. KOH
      KOH 24 November 2014 17: 17
      +1
      Our forest is the main thing for them, when only they spoke about closing supplies, the Finns wept so much, we heard in Siberia ... lol
  15. Andrey NM
    Andrey NM 24 November 2014 17: 15
    +1
    If not for Nicholas II, they would have lived peacefully and amicably with the Finns in the same state. It was he who began to "cut off" the freedom of the Finns in all spheres of their lives, which led to the discontent of the people. But in the 60s of the 19th century, the Finns had a real upsurge. Although somehow the story still turned around ...
  16. Vasily Ivashov
    Vasily Ivashov 24 November 2014 17: 16
    +2
    Thanks to extensive Soviet orders from the post-war decades, Finland lived and developed normally, avoided unemployment and industrial crises, in short, if not for the Soviet Union, Finland would be a poor and seedy country. And, weak to God. that their brains are in place and they understand that Russia is for them.
  17. 23424636
    23424636 24 November 2014 17: 16
    0
    Finns were taught bitter experience and they have a monument to Alexander 2 as a symbol of respect and peacefulness and Ukrainian Jews destroy the monuments of their fellow countryman Blanca (Ulyanov) who gave birth to this Khazar Kaganate 2 and jump like shamans - give war.
  18. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 24 November 2014 17: 17
    +7
    We live in St. Petersburg with the Finns and we know a lot about each other. Finn is, first of all, a zealous owner. Almost not aggressive, if it does not concern the threat to his economy. Normal, adequate people, like everyone who has their own suits, but makes friends with them. quite possible and necessary. hi
    1. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 24 November 2014 17: 25
      +17
      Quote: Major Yurik
      We live in St. Petersburg with the Finns and we know a lot about each other. Finn is, first of all, a zealous owner. Almost not aggressive, if it does not concern the threat to his economy. Normal, adequate people, like everyone who has their own suits, but makes friends with them. quite possible and necessary
      1. KOH
        KOH 24 November 2014 17: 39
        +1
        In general, I'm dying from Finnish words ... laughing
        1. Fox hound
          Fox hound 24 November 2014 20: 06
          +2
          I agree. a hockey game was recently foiled. Czechs for 2 hours neighing over the names of the Finns. laughing
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 24 November 2014 18: 31
      0
      Quote: Major Yurik
      Finn, this is primarily a zealous owner. Almost not aggressive, if it does not concern the threat to his economy. Normal, adequate people

      The same can be safely said about the Germans, Britons, Dutch, etc. But in the end, they are in NATO. So it’s not the mentality that determines politics, but big business that defines the mentality and politics. Finns will be ordered tomorrow from Fashington, and they will not go anywhere.
      1. Ramadan
        Ramadan 24 November 2014 19: 10
        +1
        Here the Britons were never normal people !!!
        How many talked, so many times convinced people. Maybe I just have no luck with them ...
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 24 November 2014 19: 53
          +1
          Well, I added Britons for a quorum - I have never talked laughing Here for the Germans, the Dutch, even for the Poles, I can say, everything below that applies to them equally. However, they are in NATO. So it was necessary, obviously. Just the Finns have not yet pressed. Politics is an obscure matter for a well-educated and sane person. Politics, implicated in huge money - even more so.
  19. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 24 November 2014 17: 19
    +3
    Well, this is our way ... (in Finnish sense)! Manerheim, again, I respect him a lot! Maybe because the officer of the Russian Army ...?!
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 24 November 2014 19: 48
      0
      At that time it was easier to talk about Mannerheim - a Russian officer hi
  20. Denis Tatar
    Denis Tatar 24 November 2014 17: 20
    +2
    Does it make sense to enter there? External aggression can only be expected from ... NATO. Russia will help if that.
  21. alexandrovich
    alexandrovich 24 November 2014 17: 21
    0
    Well, at least someone in Europe with a sober mind approaches the problems of our time!
  22. 12OBrVSpN
    12OBrVSpN 24 November 2014 17: 25
    +7
    This is how Russia looks when it’s kind. !
  23. 12OBrVSpN
    12OBrVSpN 24 November 2014 17: 26
    +5
    And this is how Russia looks when it is angry!
  24. BOB044
    BOB044 24 November 2014 17: 28
    +3
    The president discusses how his state will be better off. Few of these, many love the US ass to lick and look ingratiatingly into their eyes.
  25. reut.sib
    reut.sib 24 November 2014 17: 32
    +1
    But the Finns do this and do everything because they think with their heads. And the Iskanders have nothing to do with it.
  26. pvv113
    pvv113 24 November 2014 17: 32
    +3
    Finnish President Sauli Niinistö says the country he heads is not going to join NATO in the near future

    The sober decision of a sane person good
  27. Noki51177
    Noki51177 24 November 2014 17: 47
    0
    Hoping to want him to be true.
  28. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 24 November 2014 17: 49
    +5
    Before the 1917 revolution, Finland was part of the Russian Empire, but had sufficient independence - Swedish laws, its own currency and customs. The Finns remember this and Finland has become one of the countries that has surprised many. Among its population, the idea of ​​close relations with the Russian Federation is becoming more widespread, starting from integration and ending with its membership (The Russian Times).
    An influential public figure, businessman and lawyer, Hannu Krogerus, in her article entitled “Could Finland become Russian Hong Kong?”, Published in the authoritative journal Suomen Kuvalehti, writes that this is not only completely possible, but also necessary economically. Finland is simply obligated to take the opportunity to obtain status with respect to the Russian Federation, like what Hong Kong has to mainland China.
    And this opinion is shared by many famous people. So, the Finnish parliamentarian from the True Finns party, Juho Eerola, announced the need to create a Finland-Russia military alliance. He considers this the only right option to ensure Finland’s security. And his same-party member Hemmo Koskiniemi even suggested joining the Russian Federation: "Russia is for us the most reliable partner we trust."
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  30. Vend
    Vend 24 November 2014 17: 52
    0
    Sakzali, well done! Now the hardest part will begin, keep your word. Russians do not abandon their own, we are not the USA and the EU, we do not suffer duplicity.
  31. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 24 November 2014 17: 53
    0
    Yes, you need to develop a business partnership and not enmity
  32. Eulogius
    Eulogius 24 November 2014 17: 55
    +1
    Well, at least from my language family, the Finns pleased.
    But the Hungarians and Estonians - there is little hope for them.
    Well, I think in a year or two, another crisis will crash in Yankistan -
    then they will run again to mother Russia
  33. STOP VOINE 2014
    STOP VOINE 2014 24 November 2014 18: 00
    +1
    Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite launched new accusations on Russia.
    This time, according to the Delphi portal, she accused Russia of cowardice, since she is waging a war in Ukraine,
    but denies it. According to her, "such a war is chosen by those who are afraid to raise their flag on the battlefield, those who are ashamed to take off their masks." Earlier, the President of Lithuania called Russia a terrorist state. In turn, the Russian Foreign Ministry called the statements of the Lithuanian president "the most extremist"
    Madame Grybauskaite, may it be known to you
    RUSSIA TAM- where the people raise the Russian flag!
    YOU DO NOT RUN YOURSELF, LITHUANIA FLAG WE DO NOT OBSERVE IN CRIMEA ....
  34. hedgehog in the fog
    hedgehog in the fog 24 November 2014 18: 01
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    The Finns are thinking in the right direction .. If God forbid we grapple with NATO, then first of all we will "wet" the nearest NATO countries .. we will not have a choice!

    Finns in the territory have radars about, so you will have to wet this way and that
  35. sv68
    sv68 24 November 2014 18: 03
    0
    then to our joy there were still people who could think with their heads and did not want to dance to the tune of the EU and banana
  36. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 24 November 2014 18: 04
    0
    Quite a healthy answer to governments wishing to carry chestnuts out of the fire with the wrong hands. The Finns are our neighbors, why the neighbor - comes around.
  37. STOP VOINE 2014
    STOP VOINE 2014 24 November 2014 18: 11
    +1
    And now about Finnish stubbornness!
    The poor fellow Hitler .... no matter how much he asked Finov to begin large-scale actions in his direction, he did not achieve this .... so to crush Finov against their will and their personal interest will be very difficult-100%!
  38. _my opinion
    _my opinion 24 November 2014 18: 20
    0
    I note that before the revolution, Finland was part of the Russian Empire. Those who should have feared the restoration of the "empire", but they do not, to the displeasure of the Americans and their henchmen. I will add that despite the victory in the Soviet-Finnish war, the Soviet leadership did not begin to annex Finland to the USSR (ordinary Finns, according to my info, did not really want this), but "pushed back" the Soviet-Finnish border. And besides, before the Soviet-Finnish war, negotiations were underway to move the border from Leningrad, but the Finnish leadership refused, despite the fact that Finland would have received more extensive territories in Eastern Karelia in Rebolah and Porayarvi ...
  39. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 24 November 2014 18: 29
    +2
    Finland, the first country to gain independence from the RSFSR, should she not remember this. An alliance with Russia (including the military) is a unique opportunity: to live and prosper. I advise all neighbors to use it!
  40. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 24 November 2014 18: 33
    0
    The Chukhons are not in vain alarmed. They think they’re not in a hurry, and they count the money instantly. So the process of selling real estate began already two years ago. The lines at the crossings have begun to decrease, and in fact the borderland largely lives off of trade. And then there’s NATO, not only will they stop traveling, they also hang up posters with polite people along the border so that they don’t relax. In general, they are doing the right thing, it is better to stay away from all these warlike blocks.
  41. Olegmog
    Olegmog 24 November 2014 18: 39
    +1
    Good news! So be it, I will remove the sanctions from the Finns! I will allow
    spouse this weekend give birth to shopping.
    And then the coffee is over.
  42. Bosk
    Bosk 24 November 2014 19: 21
    0
    Oh, well done Finns, on the one hand, they do not like Russia, but they perfectly understand the one hundred bad world better than a good war!
  43. Balamyt
    Balamyt 24 November 2014 19: 26
    0
    The sprouts of truth and reason will sooner or later break the asphalt of lies, hypocrisy and such familiar double standards.
    A man is such a glorious little animal, which, even in the deepest caches of his own consciousness, cherishes the dream of truth, goodness and justice!
  44. Lukich
    Lukich 24 November 2014 19: 28
    +5
    not everyone is dancing to the tune of phasington

    November 22 2014 year
    Hungary refuses to choose one side or another in the confrontation between the European Union and Russia. This was announced by Prime Minister Viktor Orban, media reported.
    “Few politicians and countries manage to be consistent in upholding their interests in today's world. Especially if they are not world giants. The more surprising and respectful the position of Hungary. Although, if we turn to history, it should be noted that the current leadership of the country has someone to look up to.
    According to Viktor Orban, the question of when a country should choose which side it is on reminds him of communist times.
    He believes that Hungary should be on the side of Hungarian national interests and nothing more.
    Having its position on the Ukrainian issue, the Hungarian side intends to build on national interests in relations with Russia, even if it annoys its allies in the EU and the USA.
    Orban is convinced that the main Hungarian geopolitical interest is to avoid a new Cold War.
    Hungary is friendly with itself, notes Orban, and not with respect to Russia, as it is accused of. Therefore, despite the country's status in NATO and the EU, it must rebuild its economic interests. She is not interested in such a development of Europe that cuts off the country from resources.
    Two things must be added to this.
    The first one. Hungary’s position, which intends to build South Stream without looking at the EU, was reaffirmed once again this week in Moscow at talks between Russian Foreign Minister S. Lavrov and Hungarian Foreign Minister P. Siyarto.
    And the second thing. Hungary and the Hungarian leadership should prepare to repulse new mass demonstrations according to the familiar "color scheme". After all, on November 17, a mass rally was already held in Budapest, where they spoke out against corruption and the current anti-European and pro-Kremlin policy of the country with demands for freedom and true European values. "
    Source http://novostirussia24.ru/index.php/ru/template/636-this-is-not-a-talent-show-sa
    ys-curator-of-venice-architecture-biennale-468
  45. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 24 November 2014 20: 02
    0
    Nunu ... you dismantle those "NATO" bunkers during the Cold War together with your neighbors the Swedes, and then talk about neutrality.
  46. sledge
    sledge 24 November 2014 20: 04
    +1
    That's right, it's all right - no need to do stupid things, you need to think sooooo good
  47. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 24 November 2014 20: 04
    +1
    The most intelligent students in the world are Japanese and Finns. The Japanese general said, we were taught under Hassan and Khalkhin goal and we don’t need a third lesson. The Finns only had one Winter War to stop them talking about the losses of the Red Army.
  48. Tjeck
    Tjeck 24 November 2014 20: 26
    0
    The Finns, however, like us, have already fought.
  49. Nataliya
    Nataliya 24 November 2014 20: 38
    0
    Robust. a pragmatic approach, without clicks and salivation.
  50. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 24 November 2014 23: 00
    +1
    Quote: Giant thought
    This is a real patriot of his state.



    What does the "patriot" have to do with it? This is fear and money.