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The newly minted Ukrainian deputies have identified the main goal for Ukraine: the entry into NATO

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After the coalition agreement was signed by the five Ukrainian parliamentary parties, the main goals were set. It turned out that the main goal of the coalition is not at all the restoration of the Ukrainian economy, the end of the war in the Donbass, but the entry of Ukraine into the North Atlantic military bloc.

The newly minted Ukrainian deputies have identified the main goal for Ukraine: the entry into NATO


The newly elected deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, Yegor Sobolev, on his Facebook page, announced that the decision to take a course on joining NATO was made by representatives of the formed coalition. At the same time, a survey conducted by the Ukrainian statistics services shows that about 45% of Ukrainians oppose the country's entry into the North Atlantic Alliance. For the introduction, according to the latest data, about 51% of Ukrainians speak.

It turns out that the decision to take a course on joining NATO, the newly elected ukrodepututy, follow the path of a frank and final split of the country.

The Ukrainian citizens themselves commented on the statements of the deputy Sobolev as follows:
This statement is similar to the statement of Khrushchev that the current generation of citizens will live under communism.


Another sarcastic comment by a reader of the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN:
There is an option to join NATO in spite of everything. 1) We promote the idea of ​​joining Poland or Romania. 2) We organize a referendum. 3) We join, and we are already in NATE.
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  1. a52333
    a52333 21 November 2014 14: 04
    +21
    To join NATA, you must at least not have territorial disputes. Least
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 21 November 2014 14: 06
      +14
      A country with territorial confusion (with armed conflict) cannot join NATO.
      To do this, it is necessary to recognize New Russia, recognize Crimea as Russian, and apply to NATO - as a country without territorial troubles with elements of a civil war.

      Well, this is in accordance with their legislation, but whether it will be of key importance in this matter, the United States has not yet decided ....
      1. Drew
        Drew 21 November 2014 14: 08
        +7
        can. For Ukraine, the last time everywhere they make an exception, so, probably to spite us
        1. nikrandel
          nikrandel 21 November 2014 14: 12
          +11
          Ukraine sent the United States an application for entry into NATO .. ​​Now Ukraine is waiting for the United States to add it as a friend and mark it in the pictures ... laughing
          1. a52333
            a52333 21 November 2014 14: 18
            +9
            Quote: nikrandel
            Now Ukraine is waiting for the United States to add it as a friend and mark it in the pictures ...

            Ага.
            And also like from Lithuania and Poland.
            1. jjj
              jjj 21 November 2014 15: 08
              +2
              To draw Russia into the war and NATO may make a difference
        2. pvv113
          pvv113 21 November 2014 20: 40
          +2
          It seems like that. They are ready to completely rewrite all their legislative acts to the detriment of Russia
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        1. Момент
          Момент 21 November 2014 14: 14
          +6
          The main thing is that the people of Ukraine believe in a bright future - in NATO, in the EU etc ..., is ready to die for dubious values
      3. a52333
        a52333 21 November 2014 14: 12
        +3
        Quote: Natalia
        it is necessary to recognize Novorossia, recognize Crimea as Russian, apply for NATO

        Suppose. But you only need to recognize VERY QUICKLY. Otherwise, if we dynamize this process, there is a risk of recognizing the DNR of the LNR, Crimea. They will only prepare an application - and then the ONR of the People's Republic of China is on the way ...
        Dilemma
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 21 November 2014 14: 18
          +3
          Quote: a52333
          and then the ONR of the People's Republic of China is on the way ...

          Really? With the DPR and LPR, it is not clear where to deal with other territories.
        2. Natalia
          Natalia 21 November 2014 14: 22
          +6
          Quote: a52333
          and then the ONR of the People's Republic of China is on the way ...

          ONR and the People’s People’s Republic - they got scared, they don’t want to fight for the idea, well nafig. At home, it is more agile, satisfying, and no problems. They agree to lustration (bonfire), to the heroes, glory agree, to Nata, too, agree.
          And the words from the song:
          At the Black Sea appeared to me
          In blooming acacia city
          ........ for them no longer mean anything, they are now for Bandera!

          So it is naive to wait and identify Odessa, Kharkov, etc. with New Russia. They don’t even need to be beaten, they are enough to intimidate. They made their choice, so let them remain in this doctorate.
          They are now UKR
          And their fathers and grandfathers who fought against the Nazis are now just invaders, preventing Hitler from liberating Ukraine from the Communists.
          1. SAM 5
            SAM 5 21 November 2014 15: 27
            +4
            In the blooming acacia city ........ for them no longer mean anything, they are now for Bandera!

            it was like that before, even in the USSR (of course, not all), but there are a lot of them.
          2. attuda
            attuda 21 November 2014 19: 07
            0
            All the same, it is necessary to believe in them, they are Slavs, so they harness for a long time, but ...
            Harness, go fast.
            Each of the following critical situations will be brought to a jolt, and there the power of energy will carry away the remains of the ashes of statehood, only the territory of the former country will remain, here it will be necessary not to yawn, to recognize all People’s wholesale on any basis.
            Strelkova as President of SLAVANOROSSIA!
            appoint Slavyansk as the capital.
            at least for the time of the post-war turmoil and the fertilization of the underserved
            Soon the fairy tale affects, yes ...
            business is not done soon
      4. Giant thought
        Giant thought 21 November 2014 14: 12
        +5
        It is necessary to make sure that Ukraine ceases to exist as a state, because this state is a parasite, they need everything for free.
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      6. Muadipus
        Muadipus 21 November 2014 14: 16
        +1
        I will add that the main thing is to legitimize the border. To date, Ukraine cannot have territorial disputes, as the border is not drawn up properly.
      7. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 21 November 2014 14: 30
        +2
        No, Natasha is all speculation. To all sane people, it is clear that no one is waiting for them there. They are already shy away from them. Only a patient, now, will be associated with this rubbish.
      8. SAM 5
        SAM 5 21 November 2014 14: 32
        +1
        SW Natalia, in our opinion, this cannot, but according to them - everything is possible. How many times did they not confirm this in words, but in practice.
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      10. Vladimir 686
        Vladimir 686 21 November 2014 16: 02
        +2
        I liked the United States haven’t decided yet ..... USA IS NATO! That's cool. Yes, it's not cool. That's the essence. Everything else is diplomatic to calm rotten Europe. The host will say FAS! everyone rushed under the bullets. Old Europe has long been in occupation The United States, only they did not understand this, the national interests are poher, the NSA leaders are catching dirt (wiretapping Merkel). Or am I mistaken?
      11. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 21 November 2014 17: 45
        +1
        The newly minted Ukrainian deputies have identified the main goal for Ukraine: the entry into NATO

        This will be the last nail in the lid of the coffin Ruins as an independent state.
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      13. APASUS
        APASUS 21 November 2014 20: 18
        0
        Quote: Natalia
        A country with territorial confusion (with armed conflict) cannot join NATO.
        To do this, it is necessary to recognize New Russia, recognize Crimea as Russian, and apply to NATO - as a country without territorial troubles with elements of a civil war.

        Well, this is in accordance with their legislation, but whether it will be of key importance in this matter, the United States has not yet decided ....

        The danger lies not in joining - which they will not see, but in that announced line. And already the NATO countries, led by the "main peace lover", will try to make Ukraine a springboard for military operations against Russia, even if Ukraine does not get into NATO
    2. bvi1965
      bvi1965 21 November 2014 14: 09
      +1
      It is possible by joining a country that is already in NATE. Let them choose. wassat
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 21 November 2014 14: 26
        +2
        Eperny Theater! Here you are, Maidan's Day! wassat

        The Ukrainian security officer shot colleagues from a grenade launcher

        In the military unit No. 3720, located in the Donbass, an accident occurred. A fire support company soldier shot his comrades from a grenade launcher. According to the young man, he accidentally fired a weapon, according to Ukrainian media.

        As a result of the incident, five servicemen were injured, they were hospitalized with injuries of varying severity. Another fighter died from his injuries.

        The soldier who opened fire on his colleagues was detained. A criminal case has been instituted against him under the article “Violation of the rules for handling weapons”. Now the soldier faces two to ten years in prison.

        As LifeNews reported, the soldiers participating in the war zone in southeastern Ukraine have a “Donbass syndrome”. Most often, they complain of a loss of interest in life and nightmares. Half of the soldiers during the service become drug addicts and alcoholics. A third of the security forces enter the psychiatric wards in serious condition, which often leads to suicide.
        http://lifenews.ru/news/145517
        1. Penelope
          Penelope 21 November 2014 15: 45
          +1
          And what can you take from them if they are all Nazis in their essence.
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        3. Uncle
          Uncle 21 November 2014 16: 04
          +1
          Quote: Sid.74
          Half of the soldiers during the service become drug addicts and alcoholics.

          I do not mind them. laughing
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 21 November 2014 14: 27
      +1
      Tailwind in the hunchbacked ruin and God bless them
    4. ajkapojka
      ajkapojka 21 November 2014 14: 28
      +3
      Yes, spat in NATA on these conventions! New Russia will be of course, but to what extent ?! Yes, and Nato, too, thanks to the promising young man, will be! Too late! TILL PIZ ADDED ...!
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 21 November 2014 14: 41
        0
        Newly elected deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Yegor Sobolev on his Facebook page announced that the decision to take a course on joining NATO was made representatives of formed coalition.

        Faster they would have introduced themselves, these representatives ...
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    6. vodolaz
      vodolaz 21 November 2014 14: 54
      +1
      Therefore, Georgia does not shine NATA either, no matter how hard it is.
    7. Poppy
      Poppy 21 November 2014 15: 55
      +1
      poor NATA, all the same plundered
  2. 31231
    31231 21 November 2014 14: 05
    +4
    They got into it. The next step in NATO.
    Kakly as a bull terrible dreamers.
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    2. ispaniard
      ispaniard 21 November 2014 14: 11
      0
      Quote: 31231
      They got into it. The next step in NATO.

      Uh-huh, the Lyakhs have already gotten themselves into NATO, now the "NOVOTSEEUROPEITS" are getting in there ...
      In the video Susanin and Lyakhi, there is about NATO there ...)))
  3. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 21 November 2014 14: 06
    +2
    Absolutely, in the floor of servility, they lost their minds. No shame, no conscience.
  4. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 21 November 2014 14: 06
    +5
    When Lieutenant Rzhevsky said - "Asians, wild people", he was greatly mistaken. Today's Dill is much more unpredictable!
  5. Kar Karych
    Kar Karych 21 November 2014 14: 08
    0
    Quote: Natalia
    A country with territorial confusion (with armed conflict) cannot join NATO.
    To do this, it is necessary to recognize New Russia, recognize Crimea as Russian, and apply to NATO - as a country without territorial troubles with elements of a civil war.


    I immediately have a question, but what about Georgia?
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 21 November 2014 14: 28
      0
      Quote: Kar Karych
      I immediately have a question, but what about Georgia?

      is Georgia already a member?
      1. Viktor Kudinov
        Viktor Kudinov 21 November 2014 14: 57
        +1
        No need to ask about Georgia like that. No.
        1. Underwood
          Underwood 21 November 2014 16: 23
          0
          Quote: Victor Kudinov
          No need to ask about Georgia like that.

          Sorry, Victor, inspired by classics ...
          "- ... Are you a member of the trade union? ...
          - Member, member ... "
          (imperishable)
          )))
  6. dr.star75
    dr.star75 21 November 2014 14: 08
    +3
    They have already entered Europe, and they will also join NATO.
  7. Val_y
    Val_y 21 November 2014 14: 08
    +2
    True, not all the Ruin wants to join NATA, or not ALL at all, but negative only Galitsai and a certain number of morons in the city of Kuev, and all the rest are quite the opposite .... hi
  8. Litol
    Litol 21 November 2014 14: 08
    +2
    hi But what about the previously declared status of a non-aligned country? Well, well, they will again enter into some kind, and again MSK-li is to blame fool
  9. SAM 5
    SAM 5 21 November 2014 14: 08
    +1
    The newly minted Ukrainian deputies have identified the main goal for Ukraine: the entry into NATO

    Alas, the moders do not give normal comment, so radishes.
  10. Magic archer
    Magic archer 21 November 2014 14: 09
    +2
    And rightly so! Why engage in the economy ?! We'll be starving, but "almost in Geyrope and NATO"! The country is on the verge of bankruptcy, and they still can't calm down ....
  11. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 21 November 2014 14: 09
    +3
    For how many points does Ukraine not meet NATO standards? What does Ukraine need to do?

    1. Refuse territorial claims on Crimea
    2. Stop the war in the east of Ukraine, and in such a format that there is not even the phrase "frozen conflict"
    3. Conduct a comprehensive reform of the army according to NATO standards, and not just reduce funding to the level of 2,5% of GDP
    4. Reform legislation.

    Even if the US wants to meet Ukraine, ignoring so many points will be too much. The maximum is US ally status.
  12. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 21 November 2014 14: 11
    +4
    Almost like The Wizard of Oz.
    Let's go dear hard
    We are in the emerald city,
    And our Scarecrow is wise,
    Oh, sorry without brains! wassat
  13. Name
    Name 21 November 2014 14: 13
    +17
    No one invites, but who seeks is understandable.
  14. Noncombatant
    Noncombatant 21 November 2014 14: 15
    +2
    "They'll get the donut hole, not Sharapov."
  15. Andrea
    Andrea 21 November 2014 14: 17
    +1
    This statement is similar to the statement of Khrushchev that the current generation of citizens will live under communism.

    No gentlemen! A new generation of Ukrainians will live in their full ass (i.e., in NATO), if they are half there now. This will allow a full fart towards Russia (under the supervision of the owner), and now some mute swans are obtained.
  16. Averias
    Averias 21 November 2014 14: 19
    +2
    Reminds me of this: "Where to go and what to do - who to find, to whom to surrender."
    Mercantile individuals, with a bunch of rotten ambitions, imagined themselves the arbiters of fate (human and country). At the same time, they lie to themselves, to others, to each other, believing that they are doing something and deciding. Although in the depths of their filthy, venal and cowardly little souls perfectly understand that they are NOBODY.
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 21 November 2014 14: 54
      +2
      Who used to be a great people, after the election of such a stupid composition of the Rada, can consider himself NIKEM and his name is itself NOBODY. fool
  17. SAM 5
    SAM 5 21 November 2014 14: 24
    +1
    Quote: Andrea
    This statement is similar to the statement of Khrushchev that the current generation of citizens will live under communism.

    No gentlemen, a new generation of Ukrainians will live in full ass (i.e., in NATO), if they are now half there.

    But how many fingers will be bent - male nata, male geyropa.
  18. RUSS
    RUSS 21 November 2014 14: 25
    +1
    The new deputies of the Rada still with great zeal drive nails into the coffin under the name -Ukraine is single and not divisible!
  19. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 21 November 2014 14: 26
    +8
    I read ukrosayty in order to have a complete picture and understand what they are thinking, how they imagine everything. Specifically on the topic: Joining NATO for them is another reason for freebies. Like doing nothing ourselves, you just need to admit NATO to yourself. NATO will give both weapons and ammunition. He will feed, provide with cash allowance, rations, uniforms and material support. The main postulate: THE SAME NOTHING NE ROBIM, THE PITCH SHO WASTE NATO BOHGATO WILL GIVE! "And until the spring days he will feed and heat!" (C) IA Krylov. And most importantly, he will drive away the evil Putin! Will place bases with nuclear weapons on the territory of used ukraine. Will give work on the maintenance of bases and girls and (to be honest there) and boys. They are especially happy that in the event of a nuclear conflict, m ... lei will be bombed. Like the immortals themselves in lead thongs and their pig-nits Kiev will remain on the sidelines when the Iskanders distribute lyuli. It is not enough for this mournful Chernobyl! But about joining NATO, as well as the EU, they invented for themselves and self-excited. Neither NATO nor the EU needs a walk-field inhabited by poor thugs, beggars. For a stinking homeless country, the Bundesburgers will not exchange their well-being for existence in bomb shelters. As well as the French. Yes, and no one is going to take them for maintenance, judging by the kicks in the face of the lads with blue and yellow rags. And in Spain and Poland! So it is necessary to eat less dro.ch, relict pig pots!
    1. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 21 November 2014 17: 57
      +1
      Quote: chelovektapok
      I read ukrosayt to have a complete picture and understand what they think


      Well written. Everything is clear and in its place, and even with humor) +++
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  20. Wiruz
    Wiruz 21 November 2014 14: 26
    +1
    51% of Ukrainians speak out

    Straight American. Although not, those would have 50,5 versus 49,5 laughing
  21. Dembel
    Dembel 21 November 2014 14: 27
    +2
    After all, all the "former" want to join NATO. And why do they need it? One would think that NATO membership saves you problems? From political - probably, from economic - it is doubtful, but from geopolitical - definitely NO! Because geopolitics, at its core, has geography, economics closely connected with it, and only then politics. Well, how can we not recall the purely nominal presence in NATO of the former USSR allies under the Warsaw Pact and the former Baltic republics of the USSR. They do not fit into NATO in any way, except as a rejection of Russia. The same story with Georgia and now with Ukraine. I proclaim a new strategy: NATO to the east, Russia and China to the west. Let's change, so to speak, the hemispheres of influence, so he said, he was already fucking!
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 21 November 2014 14: 47
      +2
      Most likely, the Ukrainian elite breaks into NATO for one reason - that NATO ensured the preservation of its power. repeat
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 21 November 2014 15: 12
        +1
        They are looking for a cool "roof" for their dark deeds ...
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  22. propolsky
    propolsky 21 November 2014 14: 29
    +2
    One desire - to spoil Russia!
  23. Wiruz
    Wiruz 21 November 2014 14: 30
    +1
    It’s a pity that only whole countries accept NATO, and not their individual cells laughing
  24. alesayka
    alesayka 21 November 2014 14: 41
    0
    Yes, let’s enter and they will plaster their perimeter with a fence. It looks and what we will do without purchases over the hill.
  25. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov 21 November 2014 14: 42
    +1
    NATO will cost Ukraine dearly. The same entry is necessary for Ukraine mainly in order to get weapons for free. And NATO is also beneficial - Ukrainians will be able to die for NATO's interests. laughing
  26. Fire
    Fire 21 November 2014 14: 42
    0
    Another sarcastic commentary by a reader of the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN:
    There is an option to join NATO in spite of everything. 1) We promote the idea of ​​joining Poland or Romania. 2) We organize a referendum. 3) We join, and we are already in NATE. THEY MISTAKED: IN THE ASS !!!
  27. awersa
    awersa 21 November 2014 14: 42
    0
    Quote: a52333
    To join NATA, you must at least not have territorial disputes. Least

    And they enter with confidence that after that NATYA will solve this territorial dispute for them .... But seriously, Ukrainians again want to enter paradise on someone else's hump ...
  28. northerner lech
    northerner lech 21 November 2014 14: 49
    +2
    Even if they don’t even hope, Putin clearly and clearly said that there is no NATO on our borders. Ukraine is either neutral or not. That's all for a short time. And it seems to me that NATO will listen to Putin.
  29. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 21 November 2014 15: 20
    0
    Tse peremoga!
  30. provincial
    provincial 21 November 2014 15: 33
    +1
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/895/kqqi322.jpg
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 21 November 2014 17: 35
      0
      Provincial, do not disgrace. In the photo, Colonel General A. Jodl. The quote on the left does not belong to him or to WWII’s best tank ace SS captain M. Wittmann. The proposals are pulled from the speeches of various Gauleiters of Ukraine and the Governor General (Poland).
  31. Password
    Password 21 November 2014 15: 34
    +1
    Chernomyrdin at one time about Ukraine’s joining NATO:
    Why do we need to enter somewhere? We don’t have to enter anywhere! Usually, if we begin to enter somewhere, we will certainly step somewhere! You see, Ukraine puts this vector so perpendicularly that nobody understands anything. (on Ukraine joining NATO)
  32. oof
    oof 21 November 2014 16: 14
    +1
    In NATO, they are needed as meat. Therefore, the probability of adoption is high.
  33. African
    African 21 November 2014 16: 38
    +1
    I don’t see any reason to talk about whether a country with territorial disputes or conflicts on its territory has the right to join NATO (analogy to joining a city of state), if necessary, they will change the law for one day, especially for Ukraine, all that is bad for us, good for them. It makes sense to save energy to watch the circus happening on a global scale. Not later than in the summer they abandoned everything Russian, and now they want to buy gas, coal, electricity, and even fuel for nuclear plants. Why suddenly? Today, the newly elected deputies are shouting at NATO, but that’s the only thing they can shout about today, because it does not carry any specifics, but there is one thing - on the way to NATO (as well as on the path to communism) they will feed and warm those who go , and how much will it go, and what else can they say today? if you look, then nothing but this. An agreement with the EU has been signed, but life is only worse, and no one talks about it. Only that remains. Let's see the second part after the winter intermission.
    1. wef
      wef 21 November 2014 18: 09
      0
      Ukrainians want to "nata" at any cost. Already in the Tymoshenko bloc there are talks on reducing the territory of Ukraine. And there is even more talk in the kitchens.
      ... People’s Deputy Vladimir Yavorivsky declared on TVі television channel. “And maybe we can focus on the territory that is controlled, and not become more active in the Crimea and Donbass. While we are boiling in this conflict, of course, there can be no talk of any NATO. Smoldering conflict is the most dangerous. Or you can go this route, and then we join NATO. It seems to me that there is something to think about. Perhaps this version, when, focusing on the territory that we control, but we have a chance for NATO, "
  34. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 21 November 2014 16: 54
    +1
    Free European cheese can only be like that ... Here you have the Europe! laughing
  35. Tribuns
    Tribuns 21 November 2014 18: 29
    +1
    Most Russophobia deputies of the Rada,
    From sizzling hatred and self are not welcome ...
    And get involved in NATO and even in g *** oh ...
    M ****** m out of spite!
  36. wow
    wow 21 November 2014 18: 56
    0
    ! ... brace yourself, the west will help us ...! "Already helped, nowhere else.
  37. kelevra
    kelevra 21 November 2014 19: 12
    0
    they didn’t choose the wrong wording, not joining NATO, but standing in a rack and assuming this NATO itself!
  38. Darek
    Darek 21 November 2014 20: 56
    0
    And cho, I liked it, you just need to slightly modify it to be closer to the truth:
    "There is an option to join NATO in spite of everyone. 1) We are promoting the idea of ​​joining Poland or Romania. 2) We organize a referendum. 3) We join .... and we are already part of Russia."
  39. Lukich
    Lukich 21 November 2014 21: 09
    +5
    it seems to them no matter where to enter. if only with sasha))
  40. pensioner
    pensioner 21 November 2014 21: 40
    0
    The newly minted Ukrainian deputies have identified the main goal for Ukraine: the entry into NATO

    With about the same success, they could pass a decree on the settlement of Mars by Khakhlis.