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"Mistralnogo" embarrassment Hollande

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Having canceled the transfer of the first Mistral, the ceremony of which was to be held on Friday in Saint-Nazaire, Hollande put himself in an utterly delicate situation. The deadlines have expired, and Moscow is very calm, but clearly made it clear: if the goods are not before the end of November, significant financial claims will be brought against France. Reports about it Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

"Mistralnogo" embarrassment Hollande


As the Paris press writes, “Mistral pressed France’s head Francois Hollande with his back to the wall.” However, according to ex-President Nicolas Sarkozy, during which the contract was signed, there is a way out, and it lies on the surface.

Speaking at a rally on Saturday, Sarkozy called Russia "the natural partner of France," and said that Hollande was obliged to give her ships. He also called unworthy the decision of the current socialist president to freeze the contract, which he made on the eve of the September NATO summit in favor of Obama. At the same time, Sarkozy recalled the old DeGoll principle: "France should determine its own position, and not follow anyone's advice or wishes."

According to Jacques Sapir, a well-known political analyst and director of the Paris School of Social Sciences, “the solution (Hollande) is likely to be delayed as much as possible, hoping that a kind of“ window of opportunity ”will open.” "Of course, Paris would like to close this contract by transferring the ships of Russia. This is a question of money, which is important in the face of current financial difficulties and serious reputational losses that the French defense industry will suffer if the transaction is canceled. However, in no case should we ignore the pressure put on Paris by the NATO allies. And this is not only the United States. What, in my opinion, Francois Hollande fears most of all, is a split of consensus within the European Union, where many, and not only Poland, Baltic countries have a negative attitude towards the supply of Mistral to Russia. ”- said the expert.

According to Sapir, “the image of France in this stories appears in far from the best light. " “It turns out that the French government assumes obligations and is unable to fulfill them. It is not difficult to guess how potential customers of our defense products will react now, for example, Brazilians or Indians, with whom we are negotiating the sale of Rafale aircraft. ”- he said.
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  1. Fuse
    Fuse 17 November 2014 10: 46
    +24
    Hmm, politics in Europe was shredded. They can’t even fart without permission from Washington, what to speak of the Mistrals negative
    1. Oleg NSK
      Oleg NSK 17 November 2014 10: 52
      +23
      ..european politicians ... are in Washington

      ..and about Sarkozy, you shouldn’t flatter yourself, he only says ... what future voters want to hear ...

      ... but for the Mistrals: this is indeed a rather key question ... among other things, this decides whether the United States will remain the "king of the mountain" or not
      1. ispaniard
        ispaniard 17 November 2014 10: 59
        +46
        The title of the article is more suitable (sorry for the terminology) - “Menstrual” Hollande's embarrassment

        The French will have to make a choice anyway ... Situation -Dame, I won't give it, but not for you ... It can't go on for a long time, either you spread your legs and "stay warm" or you get hit on the head, but you don't lose face.
        Merkel preferred the first, for which she was nicknamed in Germany - "Hamburg b ... b".
        I hope Oland will not become the "Rooster of Hamburg" in our eyes ...
        1. FACKtoREAL
          FACKtoREAL 17 November 2014 11: 41
          +6
          I hope Oland will not become the "Rooster of Hamburg" in our eyes ...

          It will become not Hamburg, but - "Rouen cockerel" wassat
      2. gunter_laux
        gunter_laux 17 November 2014 11: 35
        +2
        Sarkozy is a more sane politician. And the political elite of Europe is completely dependent on the will of Washington, such is the reality.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 17 November 2014 12: 20
          +4
          Quote: gunter_laux
          Sarkozy is a more sane politician.


          It is unlikely. An opportunistic moment. A PR move on the eve of the elections, it’s horrible how you want to sit in the presidential chair one more time. All this was already "before ...". bully
    2. Telakh
      Telakh 17 November 2014 10: 53
      +2
      Only force majeure awaits any. Well, how will the tsunami happen in a single bay near the shipyard? Or on a mine 2-th world will be blown up during sea trials. Yes, not on one.
      Or something more global will happen ... Opponent crushes with a wicker. The sanction will be announced retroactively.
    3. SS68SS
      SS68SS 17 November 2014 10: 54
      +2
      Quote: Fuse
      Hmm, politics in Europe was shredded. They can’t even fart without permission from Washington, what to speak of the Mistrals negative


      Shame on the European Diplomacy. Yes, let them choke on these troughs ...
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    5. Varyag_1973
      Varyag_1973 17 November 2014 10: 57
      +17
      Yeah .... de Gaulle's time is up! Let's hope for the victory of the new Orleans virgin of France - Marine Le Pen, who really is the real Frenchman in a skirt! I hope the French did not have long to endure this lover of homosexual laws!
    6. African
      African 17 November 2014 13: 29
      0
      They can’t even fart without permission from Washington
      - And, if it presses, then they should poop for themselves, in the diapers which they Procter & Gembel produces according to the order of Babamka ..
  2. Chiropractor
    Chiropractor 17 November 2014 10: 47
    +3
    Jumped, paddling pool ...
  3. Roman1970
    Roman1970 17 November 2014 10: 48
    +5
    They will give back these Mistrals, they will not go anywhere .... A lot of money is at stake ...
    1. Demon0n
      Demon0n 17 November 2014 13: 05
      0
      Quote: Roman1970
      They will give back these Mistrals, they will not go anywhere .... A lot of money is at stake ...


      That's right: "A lot of money is at stake ...". Unlike penalties "according to Mistals", the losses of French banks can amount to tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars, both as a result of fines and as a result of targeted financial policies of the states (one should not forget about significant events, especially those that have been chewed up many times). ..). How many businesses will close as a result of the collapse of the banking system? On the other hand, states are more likely to bluff (opinion): substitute their global fin. the system under the next successive blow is very risky (there is no need to breed potential and not the last customers to an alternative system and force its creation). And the French have already lost their reputation.
  4. sever.56
    sever.56 17 November 2014 10: 49
    +7
    Profursetka in trousers !!! Cannot choose between honor and reputation, and punishment of the owner from Washington!
    1. Poppy
      Poppy 17 November 2014 12: 19
      +1
      strange that he is so afraid of punishment
      to him for the second term, one FIG cannot be re-elected - he could already think with his own head
  5. Giant thought
    Giant thought 17 November 2014 10: 49
    +4
    Nobody was able to sit out safely on two chairs yet, Hollande is no exception, here, like pregnancy, she is either there or not. So it is with the Mistrals.
  6. Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 17 November 2014 10: 49
    +12
    Yes .. Hollande's condition can be described by paraphrasing Huberman.
    "Among the victories of civilization
    He's like a crucian in a sewer. "
  7. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 17 November 2014 10: 50
    +4
    The moment of truth - reputation above all. But no, because of the sea, they threaten with a finger, they can punish. I am ashamed.
  8. Good cat
    Good cat 17 November 2014 10: 51
    +8
    A very interesting situation: they will give it well, and they will not give it well!
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 17 November 2014 12: 29
      0
      Quote: Good cat
      A very interesting situation: they will give it well, and they will not give it well!


      Yeah - "KU-KU GRINYA".
  9. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 17 November 2014 10: 51
    +2
    What is the reputation? It has already been lost ... There are two options: either on your knees in front of "Chernobamka", or in knee-elbows in front of "Comrade Pu".
  10. Bombardier
    Bombardier 17 November 2014 10: 51
    0
    MOSCOW, November 16 - RIA Novosti. The cancellation of deliveries of the French Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia will lead to the fact that 2500 workers of the shipbuilding company in Saint-Nazaire may lose their jobs, the unions consider this situation unacceptable, writes the French newspaper Le Figaro.
    Mistral class helicopter carrier Vladivostok in the port of Saint-Nazaire, France. Archive photo
    © AP Photo / David Vincent
    Figaro: the majority of the French support the transfer of the Mistrals to Russia
    Following the announcement of the suspension of Mistral deliveries to Russia, the French union Force Uvrier expressed its "shock and outrage" at the situation, saying it was "unacceptable and unacceptable" for such a decision to put 2500 workers at risk, the newspaper writes.
    "It would be nice if the ship was sent to be able to finish the second," said an employee at the French shipyard in Saint-Nazaire. According to him, if the construction of the second ship is blocked, it will put the workers in an extremely difficult situation.


    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20141116/1033530421.html#ixzz3JJJyTtOS
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 17 November 2014 10: 55
      +1
      The ex-prime minister noted that before France decides on the non-delivery of ships, the country's authorities should decide whether the Fifth Republic remains an exporter of weapons or, like other European countries, refuses any policy in this direction.
      Mistral-class versatile landing ship Vladivostok at the docks of the French company SNX France.
      PARIS, November 16 - RIA Novosti, Victoria Ivanova. France should nevertheless transfer the Mistral helicopter carrier to Russia when the conditions for this are met in order to fulfill the obligations, ex-premier of the Fifth Republic François Fillon said on Sunday.

      "If France believes that it is able today to take new initiatives in relation to Russia in order to contribute to the establishment of peace in Ukraine and the observance of the Minsk agreements, the President of the Republic (François Hollande) can, of course, delay the transfer of the ship," the agency quoted Fillon as saying France Press.

      French President Francois Hollande
      © RIA Novosti. Sergey Guneev | Buy illustration
      Hollande said he would make a decision on the Mistrals without outside pressure
      However, at the same time, he noted that since Hollande must defend the interests of the country, France should transfer the Mistral to Russia, since the obligations must be fulfilled. He noted that before France decides on non-delivery of ships, the country's authorities should decide whether the Fifth Republic remains an exporter of weapons or, like other European countries, refuses any policy in this direction.


      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20141116/1033613566.html#ixzz3JJKnRsGX
  11. GRF
    GRF 17 November 2014 10: 51
    +1
    When there is no opinion, it is easy to turn into a clown ...
  12. Moore
    Moore 17 November 2014 10: 51
    +1
    What François Hollande fears most of all, in my opinion, is the split of consensus within the European Union, where many, and not only Poland, the Baltic countries have a negative attitude towards the delivery of Mistrals to Russia, ”the expert said.

    Who and when worried about the opinion of the "hyena of Europe" and the "Baltic tigers"?
    The question is whether to finally become an Amer poodle or flounder - poor Francois, gray and faceless, clearly not on the shoulder.
  13. Bear in the north
    Bear in the north 17 November 2014 10: 52
    +2
    I think they will pull as much as possible, and then they will not give back either the ship or the money.
    Vlip, bespectacled man! The United States was not in vain listening to everyone. Conclusion: watch the bazaar!
    1. Poppy
      Poppy 17 November 2014 12: 20
      +1
      money will have to be returned
      1. Bear in the north
        Bear in the north 17 November 2014 12: 31
        +2
        They can purge for a very long time. There are all the courts against us.
    2. your1970
      your1970 17 November 2014 12: 21
      +2
      if not one thing or the other, then even Africa won't go to them to buy weapons, "specific scammers for the loot" - the image is very sticky, Oland will be in the ring - his arms manufacturers, we, we are with the arbitration court, trade unions. what will not do - everything is bad. And how I started beautifully, when I saw him riding a bicycle to work, I immediately remembered EBN with a tram and realized, I surpassed, France hiccups more than once. wink repeat
  14. lom
    lom 17 November 2014 10: 53
    +2
    we don’t need your back; return the forfeit, and we will build a military ship with this money or a submarine
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 November 2014 12: 32
      +1
      Quote: lom
      don’t need us your return return the penalty

      And what will you tear the EU and NATO? The pipe is impossible, the PIPE is our ALL!
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 November 2014 10: 54
    0
    Moscow is very calm, but clearly made it clear: if the goods are not available before the end of November, significant financial claims will be brought to France.

    I wrote earlier that, with her actions in favor of the United States, Holland exposes France as an unreliable commercial partner. And a country whose leader cannot make a decision based on the interests of his country and is forced to follow the Americans' lead.
  16. STALGRAD76
    STALGRAD76 17 November 2014 10: 54
    0
    I don’t understand, because Sarkozy is a notorious pro-Americanist, isn’t he? In France, are there any elections planned, wants to attract votes?
  17. Afinogen
    Afinogen 17 November 2014 10: 54
    +1
    Hollande brainless, bent over his mattresses and why France proudly celebrates Independence Day. It doesn’t smell like independence laughing
  18. knn54
    knn54 17 November 2014 10: 54
    +1
    You cannot refuse to sell. Where to put a comma ???
  19. JonnyT
    JonnyT 17 November 2014 10: 56
    +1
    sawing the branch on which it sits. I wonder when Oland collapses, will he blame Moscow?
  20. RUSS
    RUSS 17 November 2014 10: 56
    +3
    There is such an opinion that we do not really need these 2 "mistrals", but rather do not need them at all, therefore the penalty and other funds spent there are preferable to return.
  21. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 17 November 2014 10: 57
    0
    What can be expected from the object of politics pretending to be the president of France ..?
    In short, Oland is a classic fuck.
  22. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 17 November 2014 10: 58
    0
    There is goods, there is a bazaar, there is no goods, there is no bazaar. We need some excuse to give us these unnecessary boxes, and breathe a sigh of relief.
  23. Gray 43
    Gray 43 17 November 2014 10: 59
    +1
    Squeeze to the point of refusal in delivery, then we kill two birds with one stone, for compensation we give work to our factories and weaken the competitor in the arms market, I think the staff of the second point and achieve
    1. Ryndabul
      Ryndabul 17 November 2014 12: 09
      +3
      Our factories - all without exception - are already overloaded. We need the Mistrals, although they are not vital. The construction of their own similar ships is a serious loss of the pace of rearmament in a very tense political situation. The percentage of "containment force" with the receipt of the Mistrals will increase significantly ...
  24. asadov
    asadov 17 November 2014 11: 00
    +3
    shorter than Holland for anyone to run for Vaseline. Either we or the monkey will introduce him to a new kind of love for which he so cherished in France.
  25. Tjeck
    Tjeck 17 November 2014 11: 02
    -3
    Hooray! Finally, we take away the babos, especially since during the crisis it is very opportune ..
  26. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 17 November 2014 11: 06
    0
    as in the old joke: the lion decided to divide the animals into beautiful and smart .. beautiful-to the left .. smart-to the right ... animals who thought like themselves right away who left and right ... only one monkey rushes back and forth .. there- here .. left monkey, decide already .. right or left .. and monkey: I am the most beautiful and smartest .. well, I won’t burst ... laughing .. same and hollande wants to be good for everyone ..
  27. P-38
    P-38 17 November 2014 11: 07
    +2
    And there was no need to write an article, leave a headline and one photo - zely illustrative! Respect for the author and photographer
  28. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 17 November 2014 11: 08
    +1
    We are waiting for a damn dozen days and rub our feet.
  29. pascal309
    pascal309 17 November 2014 11: 08
    +1
    Hollande is a spineless, amoeba-like creature. How could such a person become president of France? During the war, soldiers threw themselves under the tanks, giving their lives for their country, and he chews on the snot, to give or not to give, ignoring the interests of his country. And henceforth, science, we need to do everything at home, from bolts to modern missiles, planes, ships !!!
  30. Alexey M
    Alexey M 17 November 2014 11: 09
    +1
    Yes, he must first deal with his women and then with the Mistrals.
  31. VladimS
    VladimS 17 November 2014 11: 13
    +1
    According to Sapira, "the image of France in this story appears in far from the best light." “It turns out that the French government assumes obligations and is unable to fulfill them. It’s easy to guess how potential customers of our defense products will react now, for example, Brazilians or Indians who are negotiating with them on the sale of Rafale aircraft, ”he said.


    A hundred times already discussed!
    Why the article? If a statement, then why?
    Well, after the transfer of the vessels to Russia or nonetheless refusal to do so, it would probably be appropriate
    discuss the spite of the day and the implications of such a move for the French.
  32. or
    or 17 November 2014 11: 14
    +1
    Zadolbali their Mistral. Let grandmas return with a forfeit, take down the ships and give ours back. And then let them sit on star-striped eggs, maybe that will hatch.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 17 November 2014 11: 34
      0
      dismantle the ships and give ours.

      Well, why so. Let the French, who clearly do not want to cut the Mistral in half, buy feed from the Russian Federation.
  33. separatist_lnr
    separatist_lnr 17 November 2014 11: 28
    +3
    Of course, I can be mistaken, maybe this is all the fuss with the Mistrals, another mnogohodovka Darkest? If the frogs will not transfer the ships, then they get a lot of money, lose their reputation in the international arms market and lose money again, and get haemorrhoids in the form of a ship hanging around idle, which needs to be maintained and maintained, and again lose money.
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 November 2014 12: 29
      +1
      Bravo, 3 times to throw for money, you need to know how to !!!!
  34. afgan1982
    afgan1982 17 November 2014 11: 28
    +2
    Quote: Fuse
    Hmm, politics in Europe was shredded. They can’t even fart without permission from Washington, what to speak of the Mistrals negative

    Exactly!
  35. Not served
    Not served 17 November 2014 11: 33
    +4
    May we not receive the Mistral, not the money.
    We are now being bent with the Yukos affair for 50 yards, if we do not win, then property arrests will begin, etc. We can send them the European arbitration far away from jurisdiction, then even more so they will not return the money. In short, in general, the picture is not joyful looming.
    But the fact that the French will lose the arms market is for sure. Well then it will be necessary to coordinate all orders with the State Department, and those have their own interests. So what for such a supplier is needed, and their reputation will be tarnished not only for themselves, but for the entire EU.
  36. Vadim12
    Vadim12 17 November 2014 11: 33
    0
    Russia put him in a very good position! Let's see how "independent" the President of France is!
  37. Serzh73
    Serzh73 17 November 2014 11: 33
    +2
    Quote: knn54
    You cannot refuse to sell. Where to put a comma ???
  38. stroporez
    stroporez 17 November 2014 11: 35
    +3
    a virus rampant in Ukraine --- conclude a contract and not fulfill it, the campaign began to spread throughout Europe .....
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  40. valokordin
    valokordin 17 November 2014 11: 42
    +1
    Oland is not Degol, Mistral is not a BDK, let him return the money with interest and feed from the malware, and we will attach our own nose. And the money is whole and for the French a frog in vinegar.
  41. Aibolit64
    Aibolit64 17 November 2014 11: 47
    0
    And how he wanted to climb a Christmas tree and not beat his hands, it doesn’t happen.
  42. kvapu1976
    kvapu1976 17 November 2014 12: 04
    0
    And the Mistrales do not need us for nothing, we won the miracle of the future. Drive grandmothers paddling pools.
  43. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 17 November 2014 12: 08
    0
    Something dragged on Hollande's mystification.
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  45. Vita_vko
    Vita_vko 17 November 2014 12: 12
    +1
    Good news! For the Russian fleet, these Mistrals are needed as the 5th wheel in the cart. Wait then, that at the most crucial moment some system will fail just like it was with the automated air defense and communications system in Iraq, which was supplied by the French company Thomson (Thales) for Saddam Hussein. Of course, it will take time to sue the money from France. But now you can begin to build Russian analogues, which will probably be several times cheaper, and sailors will be confident in its reliability. Therefore, the news is very good. NATO itself is driving itself into a corner from which it can no longer get out.
  46. another RUSICH
    another RUSICH 17 November 2014 12: 19
    0
    Yes ... Why did France so angry God that since the time of Napoleon not a single ruler-man?
  47. polkownik1
    polkownik1 17 November 2014 12: 24
    +2
    Former minister Taburetkin has done things, of course. But, as they say, if the "Mistrals" were not, they would have to be invented. An interesting situation in which a major NATO member is forced to remember about sovereignty and honor ... Let them spin in a hot frying pan. It is good for them. And we won't lose from this in any case ..
  48. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 17 November 2014 12: 26
    +2
    Image losses The French Republic has already suffered because of megaphone statements about the fate of the Mistrals, regardless of whether or not they will transfer it. I hope potential buyers have already made conclusions about the risks of working with France!
  49. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 17 November 2014 12: 28
    +4
    Well, you as children, nothing will happen. They whole countries calmly roll into a pancake and rob hundreds of billions, millions of people are killed, and everything is fair and strict by law, and then suddenly they begin to suffer because of 1,2 billion, and two ships? They’re just trying to unscrew Russia’s hands at least like that, then they simply won’t give the ships back the money either, at least apply to all the courts of the world, they will also begin to demand some kind of moral compensation for cooperation with the dictator.
  50. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 November 2014 12: 33
    +1
    Having canceled the transfer of the first Mistral, the ceremony of which was to take place on Friday in Saint-Nazaire, Hollande put himself in an extremely delicate position.


    Here is a political forgiveness!
    And yours and ours, and eat the fish and ... sit down!