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China presents its copies of Israeli Spike and American Javelin ATGM

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"China is delivering a double blow! The Chinese anti-tank missile system Red Arrow 12, presented at the Airshow China 2014, looks like a combination of the Israeli Spike MR ATGM and the American Javelin ATGM."


China presents its copies of Israeli Spike and American Javelin ATGM

Red Arrow 12, portable missile complex with guided missile. Photo: Tamir Eshel, Defense-Update

The Red Arrow 12 portable missile system with a guided missile is similar to the Israeli Spike MR, and another version of the rocket resembles a copy of the American Javelin.

The missile uses an infrared or television homing head, which allows it to be used all-weather, as well as regardless of the time of day. To ensure safe firing from rooms, the rocket uses the so-called "soft launch". After the rocket is aimed at the target, thanks to the "shot and forget" system, it autonomously hits the target, allowing the operator to take cover. Missile capable of hitting Tanks, bunkers, small boats and helicopters.


Rocket Red Arrow 12. Photo: Tamir Eshel, Defense-Update


Car PA01. Photo: Tamir Eshel, Defense-Update

The PA01 mobile smart tactical high-precision combat platform includes 12 high-precision CM-501 / PA01 missiles “fired and forgotten”, capable of hitting a point target system at a distance of up to 40 km. Despite the fact that the rocket looks like a copy of the Israeli Spike NLOS, most likely it is a copy of the American Precision Attack Missile (XM-501) rocket, the development of which is still ongoing. In this case, the Chinese developers did not even hesitate to change the original American name. An enhanced version of the Chinese rocket, most likely, has the ability to "fix itself on the target" after launch, allowing the rocket to strike targets at a distance of up to 70 km.


Photo: Tamir Eshel, Defense-Update
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  1. kagorta
    kagorta 17 November 2014 08: 00
    +10
    Where is our javelin?
    1. Pervusha Isaev
      Pervusha Isaev 17 November 2014 08: 11
      +5
      the Americans were especially proud that their squad made a vertical maneuver in front of the target and hit from above, if the Chinese achieved the same, then we can say that the Chinese are the greatest copiers in the world ...
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 17 November 2014 08: 19
        +6
        The technical embodiment of the idea of ​​hitting from above is not difficult.
        And why there is no our "Javelin" - I can't understand ...
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 17 November 2014 10: 11
          0
          There was a statement by representatives of Moscow Region that in the third generation of ATGMs infrared disposable heads are needed, and since the Russian Ministry of Defense does not have money to scatter with thermal imagers, the Moscow Region cannot afford them because of the price, so the Moscow Region does not need them, and export will not pay neither their development nor the cost of deliveries to the Ministry of Defense with American ones produced in huge circulation for normal grandmas and cheap Chinese copies ...
        2. aleks 62
          aleks 62 17 November 2014 12: 55
          0
          The technical embodiment of the idea of ​​hitting from above is not difficult.
          And why there is no our "Javelin" - I can't understand ...

          ...... As for the strike from above, you are right ....
          ..... And why do not we have ???? Probably it is not necessary .... There are enough Cornets and other things ... Moreover, the control by beam or wire is more noise-resistant ..... Interesting. And how will the same Javelin react to a heat trap (by analogy with aviation)? ??? I don’t think that the country (USSR) that invented and embodied the world's first MANPADS in metal would not have been able, if necessary, to create an anti-tank version of the anti-tank system with IS tanks ....
          1. Dan4eG
            Dan4eG 17 November 2014 14: 19
            0
            Duc on MANPADS and ATGM types of heads are different, and even see the target differently and recognize! Traps will not help, the IR head sees the tank completely and some kind of crap flying in different directions doesn’t knock it off the target, but a powerful thermal flash that can block the tank!
            1. IAlex
              IAlex 17 November 2014 15: 06
              0
              3rd generation ATGM infrared guidance heads have such a thing as memorizing the contours and the approximate location of an object with a contact fuse, nothing will help from it ... Apart from KAZs, means of incapacitating the missile electronics themselves (unknown for today) or solid thick rods around the entire tank at a distance of 2-3 meters ...
          2. Professor
            17 November 2014 21: 05
            0
            Quote: aleks 62
            . There are enough Cornets and other things ..

            Lacks. There is no "shoot-forget".

            Quote: aleks 62
            Moreover, the control of the beam or the wire is more noise-resistant ..

            Spike also has an option for both beam and wire.

            Quote: aleks 62
            but ..... Interesting. and how will the same Javelin react to a heat trap (similar to aviation) ????

            You do not.
        3. Professor
          17 November 2014 21: 03
          0
          Quote: mirag2
          And why there is no our "Javelin" - I can't understand ...

          The problem with GOS. When it is decided then Russia will join the club of countries possessing third-generation ATGMs.
          1. bmv04636
            bmv04636 17 November 2014 22: 30
            0
            and yours solved all the problems no longer falls? And tests in the far north were carried out at minus 40 ... 50
            1. Dan4eG
              Dan4eG 17 November 2014 22: 53
              -1
              But what does Russia want to buy spikes?

              and you take a look at the c300, otherwise he’s a rocket dancing or a waltz, then he doesn’t take off at all!
              1. bmv04636
                bmv04636 17 November 2014 23: 28
                0
                Well, before the military representatives, we don’t go to bed like some
                1. Professor
                  18 November 2014 07: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: bmv04636
                  Well, before the military representatives, we don’t go to bed like some

                  Stop trolling. Refusals happen with any technology. There is even a nuclear submarine that "drowned".
    2. Hammer
      Hammer 17 November 2014 09: 25
      0
      Quote: kagorta
      Where is our javelin?

      And ours and our Hermes are still chewing snot ... all the same, they can’t get out of the framework of R&D ...
      The Chinese fellows, felt for the necessary technology and reproduced (i.e. slammed) at home.
      What is pleasing and alarming at the same time is that the Chinese are now beginning to trace a tendency not only to blindly copy, but to copy and make improvements to the copied equipment. What does it mean about the work of his school in the production of certain areas of arms production ... you start to think ...
    3. sergey261180
      sergey261180 17 November 2014 10: 04
      0
      Quote: kagorta
      Where is our javelin?

      In the next life.
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 17 November 2014 10: 17
      +2
      Chinese Xerox in action.
  2. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 17 November 2014 08: 01
    +5
    No wonder ... copied and will copy ... I only wonder how long China will benefit from non-observance of copyright laws ... when China comes ... based on its internal policy to comply ??? ... probably not in this decade anymore))
    1. Arkuda
      Arkuda 17 November 2014 08: 26
      +2
      Quote: silberwolf88
      No wonder ... copied and will copy ... I only wonder how long China will benefit from non-observance of copyright laws ... when China comes ... based on its internal policy to comply ??? ... probably not in this decade anymore))

      With copyright, there are no problems, slightly changed the look and put on your nameplate. Another thing surprises me where they take the technology or they have a brilliant industrial intelligence.
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 17 November 2014 12: 02
        +1
        The Chinese diaspora in the United States is an inexhaustible source of agents, including in any secret development. For any Chinese is first of all a Chinese, and only then a citizen of this or that country. By the way, it is high time for us to understand this inalienable feature of any Asian and Caucasian people. This, by the way, is a big plus for them, and for us a minus - they have exchanged their roots for the Western concept of "political (civil) nation"
    2. Mairos
      Mairos 17 November 2014 11: 59
      -1
      Never. In the long run, China has world domination, similar to what the United States now has. And they will come to him and repeat the fate of the United States. The Chinese have integrated themselves into the modern world system and are becoming leaders quite successfully. If they begin military-political expansion, they will tear in the end, since then everyone will turn against them.
    3. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 3 February 2021 17: 38
      0
      Well, it's probably worth starting with the fact that the validity period of any patents for any inventions / utility models is a maximum of 20 years. Then any manufacturing company can copy absolutely freely. And this is good and right for the good of all mankind, yes.
      The initial version of the FGM-148 Javelin entered service in 1996. It's been 24 years since that moment.
      And secondly, in practice, in the military-industrial complex, patent rights were not strictly observed almost never and nowhere. The same "Spingfield" M1903 ("nee" Mauser arr. 1898) and Tu-4 ("nee" "Boeing B-29" Stratofortress ") are vivid examples of this.
  3. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 17 November 2014 08: 04
    +6
    who needs cheaper, will take Chinese weapons .. who needs quality, will buy RUSSIAN .. and who has no choice because of friendship with the Yankees, triple pay and buy staff
  4. Basarev
    Basarev 17 November 2014 08: 04
    +3
    Anyway, the market prefers our Cornets and Needles. Because cheap and effective!
  5. bronik
    bronik 17 November 2014 08: 05
    +6
    Technology allows us to repeat the innovative developments of a potential adversary. In this case, I approve of the work of the Chinese.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 17 November 2014 08: 53
      +2
      Quote: bronik
      Technology allows us to repeat the innovative developments of a potential adversary. In this case, I approve of the work of the Chinese.
      And at what likely enemy will they shoot with this? The Chinese still have to swim or fly to America, and rest assured that in any foreseeable future the Nimitzes with their escorts carrying the Aegis will not allow this, and the Chinese understand this. And the Chinese will not be allowed to land in Taiwan, unless Taiwan comes to terms with them in an amicable way, which, although possible, is highly doubtful. And in Japan, the Chinese will not just land - they will not be allowed to come close, and they themselves will not stick, the point will not stand.
      With India, if they get caught, it will be in the mountains or at sea, where the tanks have nothing to do. But in Vietnam there are not so many tanks, and again the jungle is not the best place to use both tanks and ATGMs.
      But to deploy this business to the north completely, especially armored vehicles is considered one of the trump cards of the Russian Federation. Well, since, are you still approving?
      1. knifebot
        knifebot 17 November 2014 09: 52
        0
        Cho for stupidity, why should they tear to the north?
        much cheaper - buy. and the only thing worth going there is mineral resources, they have no problems with living space and other resources, half of them with the same population density that they live in the north.
      2. Altona
        Altona 17 November 2014 10: 03
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        But to deploy this business to the north completely, especially armored vehicles is considered one of the trump cards of the Russian Federation. Well, since, are you still approving?

        -------------------------
        And why should he go to the North? Now anyone who rattles arms and warlike rhetoric, except for the United States, of course, runs the risk of falling into North Korea’s place. You can simply sell these complexes to the Middle East, they are in demand there, and the terrain there is quite suitable and the war takes place mainly on cars ...
      3. theadenter
        theadenter 17 November 2014 10: 12
        0
        They can make weapons not only for themselves, but also for a potential customer. And there are plenty of them for such a technique (Just think - Javelin for "rogue").
  6. avkeys
    avkeys 17 November 2014 08: 07
    +4
    Chinese Xerox is uncontrollable. Although, it seems to me, China has now taken the most advantageous position for itself. Do not spend too much time developing your school, but arm yourself as soon as possible
  7. RusDV
    RusDV 17 November 2014 08: 11
    +5
    China does not bother with such "nonsense" as copyright .... bully They have communized and will continue .... It is felt that their industrial and military espionage is part of not only the military-industrial complex, but ideology in general ... For better or worse, this is not even discussed. This is and will be ... Point .... In my opinion, in some areas we need to look at it from a similar point of view .... winked
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 17 November 2014 08: 59
      +1
      In my opinion, in some areas we need to look at it from a similar point of view ....

      I agree with you. In this very controversial world, no one has canceled the proverb "Live with wolves, howl like a wolf."
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 17 November 2014 09: 21
      +2
      Well, for example, while the Americans are thinking about continuing to cut EFV or scoring, because they have eaten a lot of money and have already spread up to 35 tons from the original 20.

      China not only stamps its own gliders with the same characteristics, but also sells them. Venezuela has already received the ordered batch.
  8. bmv04636
    bmv04636 17 November 2014 08: 25
    0
    as I understand it soon Hezbollah will appear wassat
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 17 November 2014 09: 17
      0
      And not only, again, from what kind of Babakhstan, like Sudan, they dragged Svezhak to ISIS.
    2. IAlex
      IAlex 17 November 2014 10: 18
      0
      And they will say that again the Russian weapons are being delivered from China especially for Hezbollah ...
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 November 2014 10: 34
      +2
      Of course they will. Israel has no illusions
      on this account. Across the Middle East instead of Russian
      Chinese weapons and their copies are gradually spreading.
      Therefore, it is necessary to improve the KAZ tanks all the time.
      1. bmv04636
        bmv04636 17 November 2014 10: 41
        -2
        Well, Markov is just afraid of this wonderful device and it is not necessary if it is like a spike it is slow and not the fact that it will fly and will not be lost especially at night.
      2. PeaceByForce
        PeaceByForce 17 November 2014 10: 42
        0
        Therefore, it is necessary to improve the KAZ tanks all the time.

        If the Chinese RPG-30 open, no KAZs will save.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 18 November 2014 12: 46
          0
          Quote: PeaceByForce
          If the Chinese RPG-30 open, no KAZs will save.

          Do not consider RPG-30 an absolute panacea
  9. crambol
    crambol 17 November 2014 10: 54
    0
    Quote: bronik
    Technology allows us to repeat the innovative developments of a potential adversary. In this case, I approve of the work of the Chinese.


    It’s better than portraying virtue and wrapping yourself in "long-term plans for further development".
  10. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 17 November 2014 10: 59
    0
    Quote: IAlex
    There was a statement by representatives of Moscow Region that in the third generation of ATGMs infrared disposable heads are needed, and since the Russian Ministry of Defense does not have money to scatter with thermal imagers, the Moscow Region cannot afford them because of the price, so the Moscow Region does not need them, and export will not pay neither their development nor the cost of deliveries to the Ministry of Defense with American ones produced in huge circulation for normal grandmas and cheap Chinese copies ...



    So you can already buy from the Chinese. They copied it.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 17 November 2014 11: 04
      0
      It was asked about domestic third-generation ATGMs ...
  11. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 17 November 2014 13: 26
    0
    Quote: IAlex
    It was asked about domestic third-generation ATGMs ...


    I'm talking about thermal imagers. They buy it anyway. The Chinese are cheaper.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 17 November 2014 15: 41
      0
      Central Research Institute “Cyclone” makes domestic thermal imagers, by the way, they also design screens and SoC microcircuits for them, but ulis-ir supplies the matrix at a price of $ 8000 per unit. In the Russian Federation, they are trying to build a plant recently for $ 100 million to produce them in order to reduce the cost to $ 3000 apiece, but I don’t know how the whole thing ended now ...
  12. 23424636
    23424636 17 November 2014 14: 28
    0
    boys tell me a fool how far is hermes from a spike and a red arrow or ahead?
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 17 November 2014 15: 45
      0
      Almost nothing ... It is essentially a complex of the second generation, intended for installation and use only by military equipment ...
  13. Professor
    24 January 2015 09: 46
    +1
    A couple of pictures to follow:












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