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"Almaz-Antey": the complex "Thor" surpasses the Chinese equivalent in characteristics

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The Russian “Tor” air defense missile complex in quality and performance characteristics surpasses all of its counterparts manufactured in China, leads RIA News the words of the deputy general director of the Almaz-Antey concern Vyacheslav Dzirkaln, said at the Airshow China-2014 air show in Zhuhai.

"Almaz-Antey": the complex "Thor" surpasses the Chinese equivalent in characteristics


He noted that the Chinese HQ-17 complexes "have signs of borrowing engineering solutions" applied to the Tor system.

"Surely, it is not a secret for us that some technical solutions by China were used", - said Dzirkaln and added that "this creates a concern for the concern due to the lower price of the Chinese" clone "."

“It just so happened that these missile systems and other weapons that China represents on the international market have a significant advantage due to the low price. But as far as tactical and technical characteristics and quality are concerned, there is no doubt that the concern has an undeniable advantage. ”, - he summed up.
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  1. Stalker
    Stalker 12 November 2014 19: 33
    +68
    Let's remember !!!!!

    The famous "MAESTRO" Today would have turned 62 years old !!!!

    Birth name: Leonid Fedorovich Bykov
    Date of birth: December 12, 1928

    Place of birth: Znamenskoye Artyomovsky district, USSR, USSR

    Date of death: April 11, 1979 (50 years old)

    Place of death: Vyshgorodsky district,
    Kiev region,
    USSR, USSR

    Citizenship: USSR

    Profession: Actor
    filmmaker
    screenwriter

    Career: 1952-1979

    FOR YOU MAESTRO !!! LIVING FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS !!!! crying hi drinks
    1. dr.Bo
      dr.Bo 12 November 2014 19: 38
      +7
      All Chinese counterparts come from Russia !!!
      (I mean, copy ours and modify, here are the bastards)
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 12 November 2014 20: 24
        +8
        And soon, the SU-35 and S-400 will go under the Chinese copier. And these clones will be thrown into the markets at half the price of the originals, where they will compete not with Western models, but with their originals. Yes, this is not so bad. Who-thread wondered against whom these clones could be used?
        1. UREC
          UREC 12 November 2014 21: 31
          +8
          Like Kalashnikov, the clones cost a penny and buy their suckers. A real macho buy Kalashnikov !!!
        2. avg
          avg 12 November 2014 21: 42
          +2
          “It just so happened that these missile systems and other weapons that China represents on the international market have a significant advantage due to the low price. But as far as tactical and technical characteristics and quality are concerned, there is no doubt that the concern has an undeniable advantage. ”

          Obviously, to eliminate this advantage, ours decided to create in China a service center for air defense systems for all of Southeast Asia. Moreover, with Chinese employees. And why, for example, Vietnam did not suit us, maybe the sum of kickbacks?
        3. skeket
          skeket 12 November 2014 23: 47
          +1
          Quote: Nagan
          And soon, the SU-35 and S-400 will go under the Chinese copier. And these clones will be thrown into the markets at half the price of the originals, where they will compete not with Western models, but with their originals. Yes, this is not so bad. Who-thread wondered against whom these clones could be used?

          Well, why the heck do they sell if they scratch their turnips afterwards? So if you need to sell it to your Chinese partners, then sell in a huge batch so cloning does not make sense
        4. crazyrom
          crazyrom 13 November 2014 00: 55
          0
          Who-thread thought, against whom these clones can be applied?

          And what is there to think against those who attack China? We do not need anything there, it means no against us. And against NATO - the very thing.
    2. Paradoxov
      Paradoxov 12 November 2014 19: 41
      +11
      Recall! drinks
      Actor from God!
      He has been with God for a long time, and we still love him!

      And about the Chinese weapons, so they know who to do the taip with, just go to WoT and look wink
      1. Denis fj
        Denis fj 12 November 2014 20: 13
        +7
        Fires Tor-M2K SAM

        clickable.
    3. Civil
      Civil 12 November 2014 20: 19
      0
      yes, but apart from microelectronics
    4. studentmati
      studentmati 12 November 2014 20: 32
      +4
      Quote: Stalker
      Date of birth: December 12, 1928


      what Why a month earlier? what
      1. taurus5.85
        taurus5.85 12 November 2014 21: 14
        +1
        why not ask about 62 years?
    5. Gecko
      Gecko 12 November 2014 20: 50
      +3
      Maybe even 86 years old would have turned out?
    6. Sharapov
      Sharapov 12 November 2014 21: 00
      +4
      Out of respect for the memory of the Maestro, I’ll correct it - it would be 86 years to him in a month (and not today, by the way). ATTENTIVE NEED TO BE !!!
    7. unger
      unger 12 November 2014 21: 37
      -21
      the actor who played the same type of same-character people, nothing outstanding, I didn’t see in him as an actor. with the exception of the movie-Bunny, but for some reason he was unsuccessful ...
      1. Nzn
        Nzn 13 November 2014 03: 26
        +4
        Quote: unger
        the actor who played the same type of same-character people, nothing outstanding, I didn’t see in him as an actor. with the exception of the movie-Bunny, but for some reason he was unsuccessful ...


        I’m not a film critic, to judge by type, etc., I’ll say as a spectator - But HOW I played! His heroes fell into the soul, and still movies with him can be watched - not a one-time, modern, fake one.
      2. Mairos
        Mairos 13 November 2014 10: 43
        +1
        May constipate you, sir, constipation! Multiple and varied! wassat
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    9. avg
      avg 12 November 2014 21: 52
      +4
      Quote: Stalker
      Let's remember !!!!!
      The famous "MAESTRO" Today would have turned 62 years old !!!!
      Birth name: Leonid Fedorovich Bykov
      Date of birth: December 12, 1928 ...
      FOR YOU MAESTRO !!! LIVING FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS !!!!

      A bit with arithmetic is not that ... But in general, I join! drinks
    10. Wolka
      Wolka 13 November 2014 07: 12
      0
      ok, a good man was, and now silently hi soldier ...
    11. Mairos
      Mairos 13 November 2014 10: 40
      0
      December 12 .. and not November .. And so, yes - a blessed memory to a worthy person.
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 12 November 2014 19: 36
    +13
    Let’s hope that these are not unfounded statements. Years ago 5 Americans recognized Thor as the best complex in the world! And the praise of a potential adversary is worth a lot!
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 12 November 2014 19: 39
      +4
      As usual, copies do not reach their originals.
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  3. Stanislav 1978
    Stanislav 1978 12 November 2014 19: 36
    +5
    The original is always better than a copy.
  4. Wiruz
    Wiruz 12 November 2014 19: 37
    +5
    Find at least one Chinese copy of something Russian / Soviet that would be better than the original. It can only be cheaper, but not better hi
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 12 November 2014 19: 44
      +2
      yes this is the whole problem, poor people (meaning poor countries) will buy a bad analogue at a cheaper price than the original at its price.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 12 November 2014 19: 47
        +4
        Well, about such people and they say that the avaricious pays twice. The Indians paid for the Chinese bricks for Vikramaditya.
        1. jjj
          jjj 12 November 2014 20: 46
          +1
          They are rajas. They are not supposed to breathe asbestos
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 November 2014 21: 20
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      Find at least one Chinese copy of something Russian / Soviet that would be better than the original. It can only be cheaper, but not better

      This applies not only to copies of military equipment. This applies to any Chinese copies! In addition to Chinese tea and porcelain. lol
    3. dauria
      dauria 12 November 2014 23: 38
      0
      It can only be cheaper, but not better


      there is a main criterion - "efficiency / cost". So it is important how much cheaper and how much worse ... Maybe it will be more profitable for us to bribe Chinese products. Do not laugh hi
  5. Wiruz
    Wiruz 12 November 2014 19: 37
    +2
    And what about the S-350? No one heard anything? Share information
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 12 November 2014 21: 22
      +4
      Quote: Wiruz
      And what about the S-350? No one heard anything? Share information

      Just google Anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) S-350E "VITYAZ"
      ANTIAIRCRAFT MISSILE SYSTEM (AAMS) S-350Е "VITYAZ"
      or go to http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/Vityz_01.html
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 13 November 2014 08: 06
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      And what about the S-350? No one heard anything? Share information

      The Chinese also copied it, called the FM-3000.



      1. Mairos
        Mairos 13 November 2014 10: 45
        0
        Well, this is just starting to annoy. Will they ever come up with something in military equipment? Or will they continue to steal in the US networks and clone from our purchases?
  6. hedgehog in the fog
    hedgehog in the fog 12 November 2014 19: 39
    +7
    on all new military developments, it is necessary to impose a signature stamp top secret, why invest billions of rubles in what becomes available for worldwide viewing in a year ???
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 12 November 2014 20: 28
      +2
      Quote: hedgehog in the fog
      on all new military developments, it is necessary to impose a signature stamp top secret, why invest billions of rubles in what becomes available for worldwide viewing in a year ???

      Tor is no longer a new complex, with a dozen upgrades, developers need to move on.
    2. FACKtoREAL
      FACKtoREAL 12 November 2014 20: 41
      0
      "Thor" has been produced for 30 years since 1983, in operation since 1986.
  7. Triarius North
    Triarius North 12 November 2014 19: 39
    +2
    Miser pays twice.
  8. major071
    major071 12 November 2014 19: 41
    +15
    Knight
    Index - 50Р6А
    S-350E Vityaz - MAKS2013firstpix01.jpg
    Type anti-aircraft missile system medium-range
    Test Status [1]
    Developer Russia NPO Almaz named after A. A. Raspletin
    Years of development 2007 - 2013 [2]
    Adoption of 2015 year (plan)
    Years of production with 2015
    1. Kathernik
      Kathernik 12 November 2014 20: 09
      +1
      - I read the specifications. Nothing special ... .
      Or I don’t understand something ....
      1. Tiamat2702
        Tiamat2702 12 November 2014 21: 37
        0
        Quote: Katernik
        - I read the specifications. Nothing special ... .
        Or I don’t understand something ....

        Indeed, it seems that you do not understand something.)))
      2. just exp
        just exp 12 November 2014 23: 28
        0
        at least for the size of the rocket and its performance characteristics, compare with the old models, for the replacement of which Vityaz was made.
  9. black_falcon
    black_falcon 12 November 2014 19: 51
    +11
    All the same, it infuriates when our technologies are sold there am Sooner or later it will come back to haunt us. After watching the program "the hieroglyph of friendship" in general, I reconsidered my view of China. am
    1. Yura
      Yura 12 November 2014 20: 59
      +2
      Well, do not get excited, almost everyone who opposes the United States and Europe can, or maybe you need to sell weapons that are able to withstand them, so that NATO can never gather its forces in a full fist, and break off with a splash of fingers. hi
  10. awersa
    awersa 12 November 2014 19: 52
    +2
    China, as always, consumer goods - bullshit, but cheap and a lot ... belay
  11. Aleksey888
    Aleksey888 12 November 2014 19: 56
    +2
    Well done, the Chinese are focusing on increasing turnover. I think if we did not raise the price of gasoline and other energy carriers, with a decrease in the price of raw materials (oil, etc.), then the cost of our ASEZs (and much more) would be lower than Chinese, with all that it implies.
    1. GRF
      GRF 12 November 2014 20: 14
      +2
      To do this, you need to sell energy to yourself at domestic prices and not world prices ... For this they will ask from the WTO ...
      The economic growth of the SGA after 2008 is also connected with the shale revolution. Gas in the SGA is much cheaper inside Russia ...
      These are the double standards in the economy ...
      With which we our government - agree ...
  12. GRF
    GRF 12 November 2014 20: 07
    0
    There are things that do not save ...
  13. Megatron
    Megatron 12 November 2014 20: 08
    0
    Maybe enough already to sell them their equipment that they are copying!
    Here India is great, there is no problem with that.
  14. NKVD
    NKVD 12 November 2014 20: 33
    +2
    The original will always be better than a copy.
  15. The fat man
    The fat man 12 November 2014 20: 33
    +2
    Almaz-Antey ": complex" Tor "in terms of performance superior to Chinese anal

    Who would doubt it
  16. news
    news 12 November 2014 20: 43
    +1
    the Chinese are copying everything they see.
  17. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 12 November 2014 21: 06
    +1
    the Chinese are buying up all the secrets trying to do this, but they do not reach the original.
  18. Throw
    Throw 12 November 2014 23: 08
    +1
    Find at least one Chinese copy of something Russian / Soviet that would be better than the original. It can only be cheaper, but not better


    the Chinese are buying up all the secrets trying to do this, but they do not reach the original.


    Unfortunately, it happens. A former classmate works on the design and production of optical homing heads - the analogue China began to drive somewhere in 2006. At first it was a complete g. But a couple of years ago, a comrade complained that they caught up with our stupid, but hardworking "friends", ss-ki. And even their optics pass the resource test. Price, yes, cheaper .. So we keep the secrets stricter. am
  19. mervino2007
    mervino2007 12 November 2014 23: 24
    0
    Quote: avg
    ours decided to create in China a service center for air defense systems for all of Southeast Asia. Moreover, with Chinese employees.


    Double-edged solution. If, when repairing the Chinese "COPY", bring only the Chinese parameters. True, when replacing with blocks, all this will be leveled. It is easy to lose the advantage of our equipment in shooting accuracy. And, presumably, this is achieved by individually configuring these blocks. How not to miss out on this technology? Or am I wrong?
    1. Throw
      Throw 12 November 2014 23: 32
      +2
      Air defense systems, coma "blocks" have "firmware". Which is being developed. And it is working out. Practice. Namely, combat work algorithms: target selection, target allocation, tracking algorithms, capture and guidance, frequency change, etc.
      According to VUS I am an air defense shnik. But this (above) I do not know. And he shouldn't know. And "friends" and "partners" - MORE!
  20. s30461
    s30461 13 November 2014 00: 43
    +3
    Quote: Lance
    Air defense systems, coma "blocks" have "firmware". Which is being developed. And it is working out. Practice. Namely, combat work algorithms: target selection, target allocation, tracking algorithms, capture and guidance, frequency change, etc.
    According to VUS I am an air defense shnik. But this (above) I do not know. And he shouldn't know. And "friends" and "partners" - MORE!

    You are absolutely right, but if you recall the recent past, when secret documents were bought from us, then there is nothing surprising in the breakthrough in Chinese technology. And Ruin was a black hole in general: they sold everything, including the documentation that was transferred to them from our enterprises for joint work. The Chinese do not hide that they are copying. And I'm sure they will succeed. This always happens when the government is seriously engaged in the industry of their country. Remember the 30-40 years in the USSR: then industrialization was even more ambitious. The country was lifted from the ruins in 15 years, then the Great Patriotic War - and again, everything was from scratch. You just need to WANT TO BE INDEPENDENT OF THE USA AND LIBERALS AND WORK.
    1. Throw
      Throw 13 November 2014 01: 07
      0
      This is not here, this is to the liberals and democrats ..