"Almaz-Antey": the complex "Thor" surpasses the Chinese equivalent in characteristics

The Russian “Tor” air defense missile complex in quality and performance characteristics surpasses all of its counterparts manufactured in China, leads RIA News the words of the deputy general director of the Almaz-Antey concern Vyacheslav Dzirkaln, said at the Airshow China-2014 air show in Zhuhai.

He noted that the Chinese HQ-17 complexes "have signs of borrowing engineering solutions" applied to the Tor system.

"Surely, it is not a secret for us that some technical solutions by China were used", - said Dzirkaln and added that "this creates a concern for the concern due to the lower price of the Chinese" clone "."

“It just so happened that these missile systems and other weapons that China represents on the international market have a significant advantage due to the low price. But as far as tactical and technical characteristics and quality are concerned, there is no doubt that the concern has an undeniable advantage. ”, - he summed up.

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[Stalker]

Let's remember !!!!!

The famous "MAESTRO" Today would have turned 62 years old !!!!

Birth name: Leonid Fedorovich Bykov
Date of birth: December 12, 1928

Place of birth: Znamenskoye Artyomovsky district, USSR, USSR

Date of death: April 11, 1979 (50 years old)

Place of death: Vyshgorodsky district,
Kiev region,
USSR, USSR

Citizenship: USSR

Profession: Actor
filmmaker
screenwriter

Career: 1952-1979

FOR YOU MAESTRO !!! LIVING FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS !!!!

[dr.Bo]

All Chinese counterparts come from Russia !!!
(I mean, copy ours and modify, here are the bastards)

[Revolver]

And soon, the SU-35 and S-400 will go under the Chinese copier. And these clones will be thrown into the markets at half the price of the originals, where they will compete not with Western models, but with their originals. Yes, this is not so bad. Who-thread wondered against whom these clones could be used?

[UREC]

Like Kalashnikov, the clones cost a penny and buy their suckers. A real macho buy Kalashnikov !!!

[avg]

“It just so happened that these missile systems and other weapons that China represents on the international market have a significant advantage due to the low price. But as far as tactical and technical characteristics and quality are concerned, there is no doubt that the concern has an undeniable advantage. ”

Obviously, to eliminate this advantage, ours decided to create in China a service center for air defense systems for all of Southeast Asia. Moreover, with Chinese employees. And why, for example, Vietnam did not suit us, maybe the sum of kickbacks?

[skeket]

Quote: Nagan

And soon, the SU-35 and S-400 will go under the Chinese copier. And these clones will be thrown into the markets at half the price of the originals, where they will compete not with Western models, but with their originals. Yes, this is not so bad. Who-thread wondered against whom these clones could be used?

Well, why the heck do they sell if they scratch their turnips afterwards? So if you need to sell it to your Chinese partners, then sell in a huge batch so cloning does not make sense

[crazyrom]

Who-thread thought, against whom these clones can be applied?

And what is there to think against those who attack China? We do not need anything there, it means no against us. And against NATO - the very thing.

[Paradoxov]

Recall!
Actor from God!
He has been with God for a long time, and we still love him!

And about the Chinese weapons, so they know who to do the taip with, just go to WoT and look

[Denis fj]

Fires Tor-M2K SAM

clickable.

[Civil]

yes, but apart from microelectronics

[studentmati]

Quote: Stalker

Date of birth: December 12, 1928

Why a month earlier?

[taurus5.85]

why not ask about 62 years?

[Gecko]

Maybe even 86 years old would have turned out?

[Sharapov]

Out of respect for the memory of the Maestro, I’ll correct it - it would be 86 years to him in a month (and not today, by the way). ATTENTIVE NEED TO BE !!!

[unger]

the actor who played the same type of same-character people, nothing outstanding, I didn’t see in him as an actor. with the exception of the movie-Bunny, but for some reason he was unsuccessful ...

[Nzn]

Quote: unger

the actor who played the same type of same-character people, nothing outstanding, I didn’t see in him as an actor. with the exception of the movie-Bunny, but for some reason he was unsuccessful ...

I’m not a film critic, to judge by type, etc., I’ll say as a spectator - But HOW I played! His heroes fell into the soul, and still movies with him can be watched - not a one-time, modern, fake one.

[Mairos]

May constipate you, sir, constipation! Multiple and varied!

[avg]

Quote: Stalker

Let's remember !!!!!
The famous "MAESTRO" Today would have turned 62 years old !!!!
Birth name: Leonid Fedorovich Bykov
Date of birth: December 12, 1928 ...
FOR YOU MAESTRO !!! LIVING FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS !!!!

A bit with arithmetic is not that ... But in general, I join!

[Wolka]

ok, a good man was, and now silently ...

[Mairos]

December 12 .. and not November .. And so, yes - a blessed memory to a worthy person.

[Magic archer]

Let’s hope that these are not unfounded statements. Years ago 5 Americans recognized Thor as the best complex in the world! And the praise of a potential adversary is worth a lot!

[Giant thought]

As usual, copies do not reach their originals.

[Stanislav 1978]

The original is always better than a copy.

[Wiruz]

Find at least one Chinese copy of something Russian / Soviet that would be better than the original. It can only be cheaper, but not better

[Panikovsky]

yes this is the whole problem, poor people (meaning poor countries) will buy a bad analogue at a cheaper price than the original at its price.

[Wiruz]

Well, about such people and they say that the avaricious pays twice. The Indians paid for the Chinese bricks for Vikramaditya.

[jjj]

They are rajas. They are not supposed to breathe asbestos

[GSH-18]

Quote: Wiruz

Find at least one Chinese copy of something Russian / Soviet that would be better than the original. It can only be cheaper, but not better

This applies not only to copies of military equipment. This applies to any Chinese copies! In addition to Chinese tea and porcelain.

[dauria]

It can only be cheaper, but not better

there is a main criterion - "efficiency / cost". So it is important how much cheaper and how much worse ... Maybe it will be more profitable for us to bribe Chinese products. Do not laugh

[Wiruz]

And what about the S-350? No one heard anything? Share information

[APASUS]

Quote: Wiruz

And what about the S-350? No one heard anything? Share information

Just google Anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) S-350E "VITYAZ"
ANTIAIRCRAFT MISSILE SYSTEM (AAMS) S-350Е "VITYAZ"or go to http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/Vityz_01.html

[Nayhas]

Quote: Wiruz

And what about the S-350? No one heard anything? Share information

The Chinese also copied it, called the FM-3000.

[Mairos]

Well, this is just starting to annoy. Will they ever come up with something in military equipment? Or will they continue to steal in the US networks and clone from our purchases?

[hedgehog in the fog]

on all new military developments, it is necessary to impose a signature stamp top secret, why invest billions of rubles in what becomes available for worldwide viewing in a year ???

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: hedgehog in the fog

on all new military developments, it is necessary to impose a signature stamp top secret, why invest billions of rubles in what becomes available for worldwide viewing in a year ???

Tor is no longer a new complex, with a dozen upgrades, developers need to move on.

[FACKtoREAL]

"Thor" has been produced for 30 years since 1983, in operation since 1986.

[Triarius North]

Miser pays twice.

[major071]

Knight
Index - 50Р6А
S-350E Vityaz - MAKS2013firstpix01.jpg
Type anti-aircraft missile system medium-range
Test Status [1]
Developer Russia NPO Almaz named after A. A. Raspletin
Years of development 2007 - 2013 [2]
Adoption of 2015 year (plan)
Years of production with 2015

[Kathernik]

- I read the specifications. Nothing special ... .
Or I don’t understand something ....

[Tiamat2702]

Quote: Katernik

- I read the specifications. Nothing special ... .
Or I don’t understand something ....

Indeed, it seems that you do not understand something.)))

[just exp]

at least for the size of the rocket and its performance characteristics, compare with the old models, for the replacement of which Vityaz was made.

[black_falcon]

All the same, it infuriates when our technologies are sold there Sooner or later it will come back to haunt us. After watching the program "the hieroglyph of friendship" in general, I reconsidered my view of China.

[Yura]

Well, do not get excited, almost everyone who opposes the United States and Europe can, or maybe you need to sell weapons that are able to withstand them, so that NATO can never gather its forces in a full fist, and break off with a splash of fingers.

[awersa]

China, as always, consumer goods - bullshit, but cheap and a lot ...

[Aleksey888]

Well done, the Chinese are focusing on increasing turnover. I think if we did not raise the price of gasoline and other energy carriers, with a decrease in the price of raw materials (oil, etc.), then the cost of our ASEZs (and much more) would be lower than Chinese, with all that it implies.

[GRF]

To do this, you need to sell energy to yourself at domestic prices and not world prices ... For this they will ask from the WTO ...
The economic growth of the SGA after 2008 is also connected with the shale revolution. Gas in the SGA is much cheaper inside Russia ...
These are the double standards in the economy ...
With which we our government - agree ...

[GRF]

There are things that do not save ...

[Megatron]

Maybe enough already to sell them their equipment that they are copying!
Here India is great, there is no problem with that.

[NKVD]

The original will always be better than a copy.

[The fat man]

Almaz-Antey ": complex" Tor "in terms of performance superior to Chinese anal

Who would doubt it

[news]

the Chinese are copying everything they see.

[Iskander 090]

the Chinese are buying up all the secrets trying to do this, but they do not reach the original.

[Throw]

Find at least one Chinese copy of something Russian / Soviet that would be better than the original. It can only be cheaper, but not better

the Chinese are buying up all the secrets trying to do this, but they do not reach the original.

Unfortunately, it happens. A former classmate works on the design and production of optical homing heads - the analogue China began to drive somewhere in 2006. At first it was a complete g. But a couple of years ago, a comrade complained that they caught up with our stupid, but hardworking "friends", ss-ki. And even their optics pass the resource test. Price, yes, cheaper .. So we keep the secrets stricter.

[mervino2007]

Quote: avg

ours decided to create in China a service center for air defense systems for all of Southeast Asia. Moreover, with Chinese employees.

Double-edged solution. If, when repairing the Chinese "COPY", bring only the Chinese parameters. True, when replacing with blocks, all this will be leveled. It is easy to lose the advantage of our equipment in shooting accuracy. And, presumably, this is achieved by individually configuring these blocks. How not to miss out on this technology? Or am I wrong?

[Throw]

Air defense systems, coma "blocks" have "firmware". Which is being developed. And it is working out. Practice. Namely, combat work algorithms: target selection, target allocation, tracking algorithms, capture and guidance, frequency change, etc.
According to VUS I am an air defense shnik. But this (above) I do not know. And he shouldn't know. And "friends" and "partners" - MORE!

[s30461]

Quote: Lance

Air defense systems, coma "blocks" have "firmware". Which is being developed. And it is working out. Practice. Namely, combat work algorithms: target selection, target allocation, tracking algorithms, capture and guidance, frequency change, etc.
According to VUS I am an air defense shnik. But this (above) I do not know. And he shouldn't know. And "friends" and "partners" - MORE!

You are absolutely right, but if you recall the recent past, when secret documents were bought from us, then there is nothing surprising in the breakthrough in Chinese technology. And Ruin was a black hole in general: they sold everything, including the documentation that was transferred to them from our enterprises for joint work. The Chinese do not hide that they are copying. And I'm sure they will succeed. This always happens when the government is seriously engaged in the industry of their country. Remember the 30-40 years in the USSR: then industrialization was even more ambitious. The country was lifted from the ruins in 15 years, then the Great Patriotic War - and again, everything was from scratch. You just need to WANT TO BE INDEPENDENT OF THE USA AND LIBERALS AND WORK.

[Throw]

This is not here, this is to the liberals and democrats ..