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Life in the Occupation: Notes of the Russian Abwehr Officer

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Life in the Occupation: Notes of the Russian Abwehr Officer

Dmitry Karov arrived in the Soviet occupied territory in August 1941 of the year. On it, he found people angry with Stalin and the NKVD, most of them easily agreed to work for Germany. Also actively former Soviet people began to build national capitalism under the Germans. All this reminds Yeltsin Russia of the beginning of 1990's.


Karov (Kandaurov) Dmitry Petrovich (1902-1961) - officer of the Abwehr (1941-1944) and Sun KONR (1945). Left Russia in 1919. From 1920 year - in Paris. He graduated from the Russian gymnasium, university. In the summer of 1940, he left for employment in Germany, worked as a translator at an aircraft engine plant in Hanover. At the end of 1940, he agreed to work in German intelligence agencies until the creation of an independent Russian state. Since the beginning of the war with the USSR, he was seconded to the naval intelligence detachment. From December 1941 of the year - in the service in the section Ic of the 18 Army headquarters (Army Group North). In 1950, an employee of the Institute for the Study stories and culture of the USSR (Munich).

Compiled in 1950, the memoirs “Russians in service in German intelligence and counterintelligence”, typewritten version. For the first time, a part of the memoirs is published in the book Under the Germans (Encyclopedic Department of the Institute of Philosophy and Philology of the Philological Faculty of the St. Petersburg State University). The Interpreter's Blog leads part of this diary.



Kingisepp

The detachment was traveling to Russia, closer to the front. I was excited to think that now I’ll get into real Russia, which I left in 1919 year. We saw the moat, and Captain Babel, stopping the car, said: “This is the border, this is your Motherland” - and looked at me expectantly. Later he told how the Wehrmacht’s Russian officers reacted. One, getting out of the car, began to kiss the ground, kneeling. Another announced that he would spend the night in the forest to listen to Russian nightingales. The third showed patriotism by the fact that he began to impose Russian land in the bags to send it to Paris. I did not have a character capable of such scenes, and Captain Babel was disappointed with me.

We arrived in the village of Glinka. On the way we met a detachment of Soviet cavalry. He was accompanied by several German artillerymen. They explained to me that they were taking prisoners to the camp. When I was asked whether they were afraid that the cavalry would run away, the artilleryman replied to me that the entire squad had surrendered voluntarily, having interrupted their superiors in advance.

The village of Glinka was Straver's. I soon met all the burgomasters of the district. They were all elderly, believers in God. Under Soviet rule, they were all persecuted and imprisoned. The entire population was afraid that the Germans would leave and the Soviets would come again.

My first agent was an elderly peasant Simon. He said that he would work, because he believes that the Communists must be destroyed in all possible ways, but he does not want to receive money for it, since it is a sin.



A translator familiar to me in Riga created a detachment of Soviet prisoners of war. He said that the soldiers do not want to fight for Stalin, but they are afraid of German captivity. It was a common dream, driving the Germans out of Russia, to kill the Stalinists and the Communists, to establish freedom, and most importantly, to destroy the collective farms.

Agents, without exception, were volunteers and could at any time refuse to work, and in this case they were provided with good places in the rear. The only exceptions were agents who received the task and did not fulfill it. They were sent to special camps near Königsberg, which were called “camps for those who know the secret things” and in which the prisoners were very well treated: they received a military ration, a lot of cigarettes, there was a library in the camp; 3-4 prisoners lived in the room and had the opportunity to walk in the garden.

Having crossed the front three times, it was possible to retire to the deep rear. For the most part, people from 30 to 40 have agreed to this, brave but not fond of risking their lives. But all the scouts hated the Soviet regime.

A typical example is a woman named Eugene. She commanded a detachment in Krasnogvardeysk (Gatchina). She was 26 years old, before the war she lived in Leningrad, worked as a secret police officer in the NKVD and was engaged in prostitution for some time. Across the front, it was sent in early September 1941, she immediately went to the commandant's office of Seversk and offered to work as an agent for the Germans. She explained this by the fact that she was terribly tired of life in the USSR with her dullness and boredom, and she was confident that with her good work she would be able to earn her trust, and after the end of the war she could secure a life abroad. In 1943, Zhenka asked to be released from service, motivating the request with great fatigue, and sent to live in Germany. Her request was fulfilled, and in addition, she received a large cash award from Eugene and now (1950 year) lives in Germany, has a well-established and income-producing lingerie store.



Chudovo

In early April, 1942, I arrived in Chudovo. It lived 10 thousands of civilians. He ruled his chosen Russian burgomaster. A big swindler and a speculator, but an intelligent and energetic man, he performed his duties well, in which the 6 selected burgomasters, who sat at the head of the districts, helped him. There were in Chudovo Russian police and fire brigade.

The worst were the intellectuals of Chudov, who had previously served in Soviet institutions. The population considered them parasites, and no one wanted to help them. For the most part, the intelligentsia was nasty and self-confident, but it was anti-Soviet. Monarchies they did not want, Stalin - too. Lenin and NEP - that was their ideal.

It lived very well merchants and artisans. One had to wonder at the ingenuity that they showed. I saw a ladies' dress shop. Others opened restaurants and tea houses. There were furriers, gold and silver craftsmen. All merchants hated Soviet power and only wanted free trade. The Soviet officials of the NKVD, with whom I spoke during interrogations, said that after the peasantry, Stalin was hated most by the workers and that the NKVD sex workers were often killed in factories. Artisans in Miracle lived beautifully. Watchmakers, shoemakers, tailors were inundated with work.

The clergy who lived in the city were Orthodox and Old Believers. Nashchetchik old believers enjoyed universal respect and were well-read and fair people. The Orthodox priests did not distinguish the population with special respect. They didn’t impress me either. The prizes and the deacon recruited by my agents worked poorly, they were reluctant to study, but they constantly demanded rewards.



Vitebsk

I was transferred here in 1943 year. At the head of Vitebsk was a Russian burgomaster, a man of years 30-ti. He pretended to be a Belarusian-patriot and, therefore, in the presence of the Germans, spoke only Belarusian, and the rest of the time he spoke Russian. He had more 100 officials, he also submitted to the external and criminal police. The Germans did not intervene in the affairs of the police and the city government, but did not help in any way, giving the residents themselves to take care of food, firewood, etc.

Trade flourished surprisingly: shops and stores were everywhere. Entrepreneurial merchants "in a black way" traveled from Vitebsk to Germany, Poland, Austria, and others traveled westward, purchasing goods there that they briskly traded from themselves. There were German marks (real and occupational) in circulation, Russian rubles (paper and gold - the last, to my surprise, was very much).

There were 2 or 3 hospitals running in the city due to lack of funds, but with very good doctors who were constantly invited by Germans to consult. There were several very good and expensive private hospitals that were served mainly by speculators.



At the main station, always - day and night - a crowd of people crowded, and it was a bazaar. Everyone bought and sold. German soldiers who were driving home bought food there. And drunken Cossacks from anti-partisan detachments who had come to rest in the city walked around. Porters and haulers stood in front of the station, as well as brisk young people who offered to transport in German cars owned by state institutions and who stood with their German chauffeurs on neighboring streets waiting for customers (as the police did not struggle with this phenomenon) she could not do anything: it hurt loved the German chauffeurs vodka). Moving a little further from the station, I was amazed at the abundance of tea and small basement restaurants. The prices were high, but all these places were full of people, and everywhere they drank vodka (Polish), moonshine, German beer and Baltic fruit wine. The food in these restaurants was also abundant.

In Vitebsk there were also brothels, and separately for Germans and Russians. Terrible fights often occurred there: Russians stormed brothels for the Germans. Cinemas were, only the films in them were German, but, truth, with Russian signatures. There were also two Russian theaters that enjoyed great success. In many cafes and restaurants in the evenings danced.

In addition to many German soldiers there were a lot of in the city and Russian military. Most of all attracted the attention of the Cossacks, wearing hats, checkers and whips; besides, they were the biggest brawlers. Then, in the city there were people from special detachments of SD - Russians, Latvians, Estonians and Caucasians, who were very well dressed in various costumes, and on the sleeve had fatal letters in the triangle - SD. No one in the city loved these people, known for their cruelty and robbery, while the other military, both Russians and Germans, avoided talking to them. There were detachments of natsmenov, consisting of Kazakhs and especially Tatars. They did not fight much, but they carried out more service for the protection of warehouses.

The Russians, listed under different headquarters, ortendkentatures, etc., were distinguished by the pomp of their uniforms and especially the insignia. Their shoulders and collars were covered with silver, especially brightly shining on sunny days, and their breasts hung with orders, which they wore in their natural form, not limited to ribbons on the pads. Their heads were decorated with either colorful caps, or hats with a bright top. I have no doubt that they would gladly have worn checkers, but only Cossacks were allowed to do this.

In Vitebsk it was then quartered: 622-625 Cossack battalion, 638 Cossack company, 3-6 / 508-i Turkestan supply company, 4 / 18 Volga Tatar construction company, Eastern Company - 59-I, 639-I, 644-I , 645-i security, 703-i training, 3 / 608-i supplies.

There were several newspapers in the city, one of them was Belarusian. The journalists were intelligent people, convinced opponents of communism and Stalin; Soviet agents sometimes killed the most zealous of them.

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  1. vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 18 August 2011 10: 16 New
    +10
    What is the article about?
    About the bastards who in difficult times betrayed their homeland. Yes, they did not fight with the Communists. And they sold for soldering bread and a glass of moonshine.
    I read somewhere (and agree) that the Russians never identified the government and the homeland. And there are plenty of examples. When priests helped the underground, partisans and Soviet power. When white officers and generals refused to cooperate with the Nazis.
    Is this an attempt to justify the scum of Russian society?
    This is NOT RUSSIAN!
    Only Russians have such a feature, and you probably met her. Two are fighting. If someone tries to interfere, then these two unite and beat the one who has already interfered.
    We Russians can fight each other to death, but if a common enemy appears, we unite and beat him.
    Hence the conclusion: this is NOT RUSSIAN!
    1. ballian
      ballian 18 August 2011 13: 59 New
      -5
      A convenient position is if the “bad” ones are not Russian, the good ones are Russian.
      If you lived in the 30 years when traditional Russian society was broken through the knee, you might not have made such categorical statements, then anti-Soviet sentiments were really strong.
      The fact is that the German Nazis initially did not stutter about any "liberation" of Russia from the Bolsheviks and the creation of "Russia without the Bolsheviks", however, hundreds of thousands of Russians alone went to serve them (although it must be admitted that other Soviet nations prevailed among the Germans) - you can imagine what would happen if Germany set out to create states on the site of the USSR like Slovakia or Croatia, + it’s clear that there were many times more sympathizers and just waiting “who will take”, but at the beginning of the war they still didn’t understand purpose Germans in the war in many places the Germans were even met with flowers - and not only in Ukraine but also in southern Russia.
      1. LESHA pancake
        LESHA pancake 18 August 2011 18: 33 New
        +3
        still a traitor he and Africa a traitor.
        1. ballian
          ballian 18 August 2011 19: 25 New
          +2
          Note - in my commentary above - I did not justify the traitors, but merely stated that this phenomenon was, and on a large scale.
      2. aleks
        aleks 16 October 2012 15: 05 New
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        What are you seriously taking this nonsense, then just like a sick woman in the entire attic.
    2. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 18 August 2011 18: 54 New
      +2
      vlbelugin is a look of THIS side and I don’t see anything dirty - after all, it has different faces, and not just white and black. God forbid us all to get cancer from the "bounty" of life, because at that moment someone will crawl out of us we are actually.
    3. Uhalus
      Uhalus 18 August 2011 21: 56 New
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      No, Russians. Remember the Cossack general Krasnov and the Cossack SS division. It's just that the family has its black sheep ...
    4. Uhalus
      Uhalus 18 August 2011 22: 38 New
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      But in general - look who collaborated: a prostitute, a swindler, a speculator ... Indeed, at first the population generally met the Germans as relatives. What is described here is about the 41st year. But the Germans soon behaved in such a way (robberies, requisitions, hijacking people to Germany and local work, multiple executions) that the same population then grabbed their guns and began to shoot the Germans, then (about 42) and the most partisan developed and underground traffic.
    5. His
      His 20 August 2011 14: 01 New
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      Now this is relevant, but after some time everyone will not care. This is history. Nobody now actualizes the atrocities of the Bolsheviks in the civil war, the use of chemical weapons by Tukhachevsky in the Tambov region, etc. The Bolsheviks were forgiven for not losing the Russian Empire. And the Democrats have something to say: "Thank you for destroying the Soviet Union, without war."
  2. Siberian
    Siberian 18 August 2011 11: 17 New
    +3
    The title of the publication is already strange. As far as I understand, only GERMAN officers served in the Abwehr. And this .... just did not have the right to call himself a RUSSIAN officer. If only because he never served in the Russian army. Another attempt to embellish with rosy tones all the rubbish of the German occupation, to cover up their atrocities. For some reason, he did not name a single German unit stationed in occupied Vitebsk.
    In 1941 alone, about 20 Jews were exterminated. There were 000 concentration camps in Vitebsk and its environs.
    1. ballian
      ballian 18 August 2011 14: 02 New
      -6
      Notice - the Jews, and the Germans destroyed them at the hands of the Slavs.
  3. dmb
    dmb 18 August 2011 13: 46 New
    +4
    Well, with that bastard, everything is clear. But why this abomination published this is quite adequate by the authors of the site, it is not entirely clear. To be honored with the laurels of Karaganov and Pivovarov is a very dubious honor.
  4. Superduck
    Superduck 18 August 2011 13: 47 New
    -2
    Do you think that all this is a lie and an invention? Did you have relatives in the occupation?
    Instead, let’s publish another opus as T90 breaks an abram from 5 kilometers and shouts it in ecstasy.
    1. dmb
      dmb 18 August 2011 15: 15 New
      +7
      This is not a lie and not a fiction. But traitors remain traitors. They betray their people in the first place. Ideology has nothing to do with it. And when the traitors lose, they in every possible way, like the author of the memoirs, try to whitewash themselves. Neither Denikin nor Mother Mary can be blamed for the love of the Communists, but they were on our side of the front, and Vlasov and Shkuro were traitors, for which they were justly hanged.
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 18 August 2011 16: 13 New
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        And what is forbidden to mention traitors? Immediately, he simply tried to describe life in the occupied territory and the management system. He never wrote that the Jews, together with the Germans, were dancing round about happy weddings between young SS-tsami and gypsy girls. Moreover, he was not a citizen of the USSR, just Russian by nationality.
        There was yesterday a selection of photographs from Kharkov, shops, cafes and shops, with Russian signs. Do you think the Germans drove the scenery with them? Or do you think that everyone was sitting in the basement, ate rats of which they could catch and removed sentries at night? Have you reviewed the movie?
      2. Uhalus
        Uhalus 18 August 2011 22: 42 New
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        In! I am joining! +100500!
      3. kyznets
        kyznets 16 November 2018 03: 09 New
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        My father has been in occupation since 1941 (Brest region). He talked about that life. They didn’t meet the Germans with joy, they didn’t; they had at least that in their village. Although the Soviet government, too, before the war was not a gift. They wanted to dispossess grandfather before the war. The Germans were joyfully greeted by just the very same people who met the Soviet regime joyfully and settled in rural government. As a result, the grandfather received the Partisan of the Second World War medal, although he did not leave the entire occupation, he lived in the village. He was a conductor. I have never been in a party. The eldest uncle after the partisan (was in the forest) reached Austria with battles - “For Courage” and another medal. The Germans had to serve when they drove for mandatory work - clearing roads, cutting down clearings. But they met the Red Army in the 44th year with joy and gratitude. Almost everyone in the village and in the okrug worked to a greater or lesser extent for partisans. Especially since 1942, when the partisan movement more or less began to organize. Prior to this, they simply went into the forest from being sent to Germany and to forced labor. And the Germans didn’t especially touch the local peasants - pay the Germans a fee with food and fodder, and with obligatory work (free of charge) at the time. The partisans fought with the Germans away from the villages so as not to punish the villages of Ukrainians and Caucasians. Everyone was waiting for the release from the Germans. And they did not try to prosper under the Germans - they survived. And those who worked for the Germans were considered traitors, stayed away from them. There were no policemen or there were only a few - mostly Germans who served came from other places. Even the elder (salty) was chosen from the elderly and he was selected for a short time, after which he was replaced by another, there was no permanent one. No one wanted to serve the Germans. And the article describes the impressions and Wishlist of the traitor, who until the end of his life remained with the Germans and under the Germans. Therefore, from the notes it stinks. Here their time came in the 90s, such as he scavengers.
  5. solodova
    solodova 18 August 2011 14: 16 New
    +8
    Too sweet and nasty written. Be it even a quarter true, then the coming of the Germans is a gift of God for Russia. There are theaters and cinemas, and a magnificent form and, in general, some kind of holiday. And there were no handbags made of Russian leather, concentration camps, persecution by dogs and there was nothing at all!
    And here is my truth: my grandmother was a nurse, drove the wounded from the battlefield on a cart, the horse fell, so she, a girl who was not 18 years old, harnessed herself to a cart full of wounded and pulled her out of the dirty field with bullets, and dragged her to medically losing health forever. And how many of them there were! And let those bastards shut up that are now shaming our country and its victories!
    1. ballian
      ballian 18 August 2011 14: 37 New
      -6
      Well read: “The report on the work of the Mogilev 'Committee for Assistance to the Red Army' for the period from September 1941 to 10 March 1943.” The head of the Mogilev underground (East Belarus is unlikely to be much different from Central Russia) - this is not some the traitor wrote, and the Soviet underground, and not the ordinary one - a very informative reading about life in the occupied territory - you will find out a lot of things that you would never have written in Soviet books about the war.
      http://a-kleber.livejournal.com/740275.html
      And I’ve never read such horror stories in Russian books as “handbags made of Russian leather”.
      1. dmb
        dmb 18 August 2011 15: 07 New
        +3
        Read the materials of the Nuremberg trials. Very informative.
      2. Uhalus
        Uhalus 18 August 2011 22: 48 New
        +1
        Wrong books read! Take the protocols of the Nuremberg process, so there not only handbags, gloves, lampshades made of human skin, soap from human fat was described and presented at the process, as well as small pretty souvenirs from parts of human bodies - most often these were hands or heads (from the latter removed bones and then made a smaller copy of the head ... I can’t imagine the technology, I’m not a furrier and not a taxidermist ... They wrote that the technology was unique, the author received a prize personally from the Fuhrer). And not only Russians!
      3. solodova
        solodova 19 August 2011 09: 46 New
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        And my truth is not from books ... but from the memory of my grandmother's mutilated legs ... yes, and she was not from a trustworthy family, her repressions also touched ... this was before the war .. But the protocols of the Nuremberg trial are correct they said.
        and from the link you’ve read through this link I was struck by the eye: this is in what archive the document was found and how, Zhirnov does not report. So "drive the patriots" with convincing facts, and it’s not known where, how, by whom, and why documents found, presumably just discovered in 2002 year
        1. ballian
          ballian 19 August 2011 10: 59 New
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          The document as such is by all rules and not fully published. B. Sokolov seems to indicate his archive address.
          However, I do not doubt its authenticity at all for a simple reason - such terry fighters against "revisionism" as Dyukov and Mukhin do not deny its authenticity.
      4. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 20 August 2011 12: 03 New
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        And “handbags made of Russian leather” - I didn’t even read such horror stories in Soviet books - read “Caravan PQ-17”. Skins of tattoos were especially appreciated ...
  6. Superduck
    Superduck 18 August 2011 14: 27 New
    +4
    Guys, certainly these notes are one-sided and probably their style is caused by the features of the education of this character in an immigrant environment in Paris. However, the topic itself is so rare and unsolved that I was quite interested in reading all this. We are all well aware of the gazenvagenov (our Kharkov was controlled by the local, he was hanged later) and the woman’s yar and the hostage system. But people somehow lived, in what these Cossacks and SD-shniki believed. The priests met with the icons of the Germans, not only because they were afraid. The peasants did not like Soviet power, not because they were ghouls. These are millions of people the people whom we ejected from our memory as if they were not there. There were fascists, partisans, Stirlitz and Bandera, everything, everything else was erased from our memory.
    What the hell is painting my brain in zebra camouflage I want to ask you ?! The occupation is also our story, not knowing the story is stupid.

    My grandmother was 16 at 41m, she and hundreds of others were loaded onto a train and sent to Germany, on the first stop they arranged a mass escape while the Germans fled and watered them from machine guns. She was lucky, remained intact, reached her native village, she hid with her relatives throughout the war, in the summer in the fields and among partisans. The policeman who was her number one enemy, after the war appeared on a rally of veterans with Soviet orders, she said that as he was surprised his legs were taken away. They found out - it turned out that he collaborated with partisans and after the Kursk Bulge he joined the army and, as part of the Red Army, reached Berlin, was wounded several times. Who is he? Well, tell me, black and white! Incidentally, for the sake of justice, it is worth noting that no repression on the part of the Soviet government was applied to the grandmother and her family. Her son served in the Kremlin regiment (the regiment was subordinate to the KGB) and then entered the Law Institute without problems, although even in the 91st year, when I entered the technical school, I also wrote that relatives were in the occupation.
    1. Sasha
      Sasha 18 August 2011 20: 20 New
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      Quote: SuperDuck
      The policeman who was her number one enemy, after the war appeared on a rally of veterans with Soviet orders, she said that as he was surprised his legs were taken away. They found out - it turned out that he collaborated with the partisans and, after the Kursk Bulge, joined the army and, as part of the Red Army, reached Berlin

      who-removed swearing- invertebrate)), type I with those who are stronger. Do you understand the expression collaborated is extremely loose.
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 18 August 2011 20: 49 New
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        Well, yes, he caught a couple of her friends. One perished, the second in the 60s from Siberia returned only crippled.
    2. Gur
      Gur 19 August 2011 09: 28 New
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      And here we have ... in Kazakhstan .. it was in the 70s ... there was such a railway station, Sarah Ozek ... there was such a former policeman smoking a cigarette from the train on a peron .. and he and a woman who was in occupation .... and in spite of the prescription of years I found out .. the bastard under the white ruchenki and oyda to keep the answer ... and received in full ... And it is necessary .. without the prescription of years of all traitors former and current.
  7. datur
    datur 18 August 2011 14: 44 New
    0
    yes heavenly life is painted right - around taverns and drunk Cossacks with sabers. and the whole people rejoice, saluting the liberators --- this is pure crap and provocation. it was disgusting to read. Now, with such and other more vile methods, they try to drag in their version of history. with the full connivance and support of the authorities - such as the recent statement created under the president (I do not remember the name) of the Soviet crime of the ... gov, and all his deeds. according to their understanding and people, including those who lived then and worked and fought for the good of their homeland. Well, naturally, except for those who were against it. and those who do not consider them as they are. so in their opinion we are all criminals and bastards. as the legal successors of the USSR.
  8. vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 18 August 2011 15: 50 New
    +4
    ballian
    I speak of Russians not in nationality, but in spirit. For if our ancestors had not had this Russian spirit, there would have been no Russia from sea to sea.
    There are scoundrels everywhere. But the Russian OFFICER cannot serve in the Abwehr.
    And when trouble comes to Russian soil, only apostates can serve the enemy no matter what the current power in Russia is. After all, these creatures took the oath not only to the authorities, but also to the people. Hating the Soviet regime and the Communists, they went to kill non-partisan women and children.
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 18 August 2011 16: 02 New
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      It was once said that a Russian officer cannot serve in the Red Army. Everything changes depending on who won.
    2. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 18 August 2011 19: 04 New
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      vlbelugin - can a RUSSIAN OFFICER serve in the Abwehr - Stirlitz - no one canceled the intelligence ... if you scratch your turnips, then you can dig a couple of examples.
    3. mitrich
      mitrich 18 August 2011 21: 20 New
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      BALLIAN is high time to present the 3rd degree medal "For Eastern Peoples" at this forum. Deserved !!! What is not an idea, gentlemen, administrators ...
  9. vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 18 August 2011 15: 55 New
    +3
    Look carefully at the photo. There is only one - removed - with a bandage smiling. I do not see only joy on women's faces.
    The author is on trial for aiding the fascists.
    1. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 18 August 2011 18: 36 New
      +2
      not in court but on a birch, otherwise they will soon begin to praise Hitler.
  10. vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 18 August 2011 16: 28 New
    +1
    Superduck
    Then there were "internal showdowns." There were Russians on both sides. Only the truth was different.
    And here is an external enemy. A big difference.
    How do you feel about this situation. This, for example, is not specific to you.
    You are arguing with your brother, maybe before a fight. But then a neighbor came to you to restore order. Offends mother, molests sisters and wives, scoffs at your children. Most likely you and your brother will give up internal strife and fight back the offender.
    And imagine the impossible that one of you will take the side of a neighbor?
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 18 August 2011 17: 12 New
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      Yes, everything is right, the neighbor will get double.
      Only here the attitude to the material presented here is built by many through the prism of the relationship of the personality of the author, right? If the same would come from an agent of Soviet intelligence, then the attitude would be different. That's all I want to say. I do not feel any warm feelings for this character, just like most of those present here.
      1. solodova
        solodova 19 August 2011 10: 07 New
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        here ballian shared a reference, I also want to share it ... it’s kind of like from a Soviet intelligence agent ... it’s interesting to know your opinion http://a-kleber.livejournal.com/740275.html
  11. mitrich
    mitrich 18 August 2011 17: 34 New
    +3
    As far as I am educated in these matters, the Soviet territory occupied by the Germans was divided into sectors of responsibility.
    In those territories that were in the zone of responsibility of the military command, life was quite bearable (as much as possible in war conditions). I’d better write this - you could survive.
    But where the "new order" was established by the SD and the so-called "security" battalions from the Baltic states and Ukraine, there was a complete ass (especially for Belarus, the Pskov and Leningrad regions of the RSFSR), where punitive raged and did not spare anyone.
    I agree with SIBERIAK. Calling Karov (Kandaurov) RUSSIAN OFFICER does not turn his tongue. I put on someone else's uniform - which means a traitor. If we talk about "white" emigration, then what only the Germans did not offer A.I. Denikin, so that he went to serve them, so he refused, despite the threats of being sent to a concentration camp and the fact that he did not like the Bolsheviks.
  12. Owl
    Owl 18 August 2011 17: 37 New
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    What is the difference between traitors - not what. That in the period 1941-1945, or the period 1989-1991, the period 1991-1999, the period 1999-2007. period 2007-2011? Only Russians can defeat Russia (traitors in power).
    1. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 18 August 2011 18: 37 New
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      I wonder for what purpose such articles are thrown?
      1. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 18 August 2011 19: 08 New
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        LECHA damn it - with the goal of revealing the hidden 5th column sympathizing with the Wehrmacht however. We started to move our brains on the forum - the goal of the article has been achieved.
        1. Superduck
          Superduck 18 August 2011 21: 41 New
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          Ohhh, then they’ll create a list of forum nicks who, according to the public, sympathized with the Nazis and shoot them in a counter-strike.
          1. solodova
            solodova 19 August 2011 10: 07 New
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            Or vice versa ... shaved come for us)))))
  13. zczczc
    zczczc 18 August 2011 18: 10 New
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    Ha, the last photo in this article about Vitebsk and the 11th photo in an article from Kharkov (http://topwar.ru/6184-harkov-vo-vremya-okkupacii.html) - match!

    Afftor!
  14. figwam
    figwam 18 August 2011 22: 28 New
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    There is a brainwashing, a review of the results of the 2nd World War, a Stamp sign is put between the regime of Stalin and Hitler, even during the peak of the Cold War our "partners" did not allow themselves to do this, and our rulers help in this, came up with de-Stalinization. As a result, the forum started dispute, doubts arose. The goal is achieved.
  15. Uhalus
    Uhalus 18 August 2011 22: 35 New
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    But in general - look who collaborated: a prostitute, a swindler, a speculator ... Indeed, at first the population generally met the Germans as relatives. What is described here is about the 41st year. But the Germans soon behaved in such a way (robberies, requisitions, hijacking people to Germany and local work, multiple executions) that the same population then grabbed their guns and began to shoot the Germans, then (about 42) and the most partisan developed and underground traffic.
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 18 August 2011 23: 48 New
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      Well, not quite like the liberators, but in reality many had certain hopes for them. After a couple of months, the truth really fell into place, and you correctly noticed that only prostitutes of all stripes remained loyal to them.
  16. chehywed
    chehywed 18 August 2011 23: 00 New
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    Well, it’s just an earthly paradise, under a caring eye of the occupation ... oh, brothers in arms in the fight against the hateful USSR. In a single impulse, the peoples of the country rallied to overthrow the Jewish commissars. Iga (the author of the letter), apparently a Jew who lives in Majdanek. And the plan is Ost, Babi Yar, Khatyn, etc. rabid slander against the good Nazis.
  17. Gur
    Gur 19 August 2011 08: 16 New
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    Another .. garbage ... like something today .. the communists are bastards .. USSR guano .. and so on ... what a wonderful life now, but it could have come like earlier .. if the demented Germans did not begin to rob anything who had no people at the union , we’re over to them like ... with a rushnyk and a crumb of bread .. with a half-dollar for health, almost the whole country went to meet them. Do not torment my brain, there have been separate episodes .. mainly in the western regions that fell into the USSR before the war. For the rest, do not trend. Traitors are always Judas. And I’m sorry here for some .. who, with their utterances, betray the memory of their grandfathers (unless of course the grandfathers are Einz Zwein Politsain) and indeed the whole people who gave you the opportunity to be born into bastards and grow up into such a guano. And early on you believed in this power ......