"Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" of the 22350 project - transition from St. Petersburg to Kronstadt

November 9 for the first time the newest frigate of the Russian Navy "Admiral fleet Soviet Union Gorshkov "project 22350 made the first passage under tugboats from St. Petersburg to Kronstadt. The ship continues to prepare for the upcoming embarkation for sea trials.

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[Stanislav 1978]

Handsome. And the photos are good.

[insafufa]

That this handsome man couldn’t touch up traces of rust on the board of the su .... regretted a can of paint at the factory

[insafufa]

I'm still happy that they finally made a 130mm A-190 gun

[gispanec]

Quote: insafufa

I'm still happy that they finally made a 130mm A-190 gun

they say they still haven’t brought it to the end ... it wedges at the stated rate of fire ... but it was in the spring .... now everything can be gut !! ... by the way, I don’t know what is happening with the polymer redoubt ?? ... all ok? .... while there are no destroyers, these frigates are needed in a large number, only who is involved in GTU for them ??

[donavi49]

Zorya - therefore, at a sunset in Kasatonov’s trigger, in the position of a comatose gunner Golovko (Stable stood there 1,5 of the year) - because there is no gas turbine and there will not be 2 yet.

Now there is 3 gas turbine for tsarist admirals (11356) - 4 is ready at Dawn 2-weeks were not enough. What to put without this is unclear, they are working on the Indian scheme of the Diesel with M90FR, or 4 diesel but lower speed characteristics. The first option pushes the 2 three 11356 to 20 immediately, because the turbines are very scarce and will go to 22350. The second sharply cuts the running gear, it requires a wide range of refinements to the project, and according to the construction.


Now there is an 1,5 set of gas turbines for Soviet admirals (22350) - on Gorshkov one turbine burned down, but the repair one was sent from the ship to the factory, and the turbine was removed from Kasatonov with the expectation that the repaired one should be returned next year. The planned assembly of the first M-90FR of Russian cooperation is the end of the 2016 of the year.

[Gans1234]

Polyment-redoubt will be tested after running, as far as I know.
GTU is an open question.
There is dviglo, but much worse in characteristics.
The question is still open, and in fact - the main one on the agenda

[Nayhas]

Quote: insafufa

That this handsome man couldn’t touch up traces of rust on the board of the su .... regretted a can of paint at the factory

He has not yet been handed over; he will be painted in the gear. Work on the ship has not yet been completed and there is no sense in painting yet.

[Scandinavian]

Keeping up with the times. No worse than those in the 6 fleet off the coast of Belarus.

[Gans1234]

Yes, OK.
Just recently painted before launching Ivan Gren

[Loner_53]

Beautiful and powerful!Fair wind and seven feet under the keel

[enot73]

But . the frigate approached 50 km (distance from St. Petersburg to Kronstadt) to the coast of Sweden. How about another "Russian threat"?

[Cosmos1987]

It would be possible to put more cells with missiles, the place seems to be enough. IMHO

[Nayhas]

Quote: Cosmos1987

It would be possible to put more cells with missiles, the place seems to be enough. IMHO

It just seems. There are always few underdecks, and UVP takes up a lot of space ...

[Anton Gavrilov]

Let's look at Kasatonov, maybe there will be added cells.

[Magic archer]

The ship is chic! I hope not the last! I take off my hat in front of our shipbuilders

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Magic Archer

The ship is chic! I hope not the last! I take off my hat in front of our shipbuilders

From day to day, Admiral Kasatonov will be launched, Admiral Golovko’s hull is ready, Admiral Isakov is under construction and they say that this month they will lay the next one, Admiral Yumashev will be called with a slightly modified design, the ship will be slightly lengthened, but I repeat, this is according to rumors.

[Zomanus]

The main thing is that it would not be extreme.

[Denis]

The thing is right!
But is it worth it to call a frigate, like a menchardizer, supervisor, etc.?
The USSR Navy did without such a name

[enot73]

"Frigate" is a slang name, but this is the TFR of the far sea zone.

[Gans1234]

But the current state of frigates, etc. 11356

On the left "Admiral Grigorovich", on the right "Admiral Essen", and on the stocks "Admiral Makarov"
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[Junior, I]

Looks beautiful from far away!
And how does it look from the inside? Would like to watch.

[Gans1234]

Like it or not - the ship is beautiful.

It is a pity that the mast will not be completely covered with a monolithic stealth shield.

The absence on the ship of the already traditional ak-630-2 “duet” - like the SPLASH “Broadsword” stuck - is it much better?
16 missiles Caliber - this is a bit, it was possible to cram more and more for such a displacement
But the number of anti-aircraft missiles is great:
SAM "Poliment-Redoubt":
32 ZUR 48H6DM
or up to 128 SAM 9M96Y
or up to 512 SAM 9M100 in any combination)
The emphasis on air defense is obvious.
Those. in essence, an air defense ship is an umbrella in an order to cover a group of ships.


One point is not clear - the ship costs almost 20 lard. How they are going to build destroyers for the same declared amount is not clear.

[Wiruz]

16 missiles Caliber is a bit

Quite enough. Not a destroyer, after all.

[donavi49]

Business! Initially, 22350 cost 7 lards, but if 20 lards were declared, they would have been sent back then with this project.

Everyone does it, declare 70-80% of the real budget, and then get it during construction. And then there is a long-term construction with problems, and that has grown at a price with Mistralku.

[Rustam]

Gans1234 (1) SU Today, 07:31 AM

One point is not clear - the ship costs almost 20 lard. How they are going to build destroyers for the same declared amount is not clear.

Not 20 but 24 lard- when declared under the contract 7 !!!!

How to build, but this is a proven move, as with Gren (it’s already $ 200 million buoyed into this trough), first 20, and then MO dear, we are the only ones to make products that have no analogues, and then 40 at the exit! so all is well

[fomkin]

Already rusting, and everything at the end of the tug.

[Gans1234]

I don’t understand - where did you see a bunch of rust there?
This is a piece of iron in water - it is destined to rust there according to the laws of chemistry and physics.
Any ship of any state in any campaign looks very unsightly in this aspect.
Just the factory workers did not crucify each other with the guidance of the marathon.
Running gear is still waiting for him, under which he will peel off even more
But after them, to transfer it will be repainted and weathered to a virgin appearance)

[Wiruz]

Already rusting, and everything at the end of the tug.

First: there is salt in sea water.
Secondly: at school you had chemistry.

[fedor13]

New building and it is necessary to follow the rules with tugboats.

[Tirpitz]

Does anyone have a picture next to the corvette? It is interesting to compare the sizes. tables not that.

[fedor13]

The length of the tug 32 meters.

[Prikaz4ikov1992]

Incidentally, the most advanced frigate in the world. Even the fremm leaves behind and is very far away.

[Wiruz]

Incidentally, the most advanced frigate in the world. Even the fremm leaves behind and is very far away.

It’s not even a frigate, but rather a destroyer. In Anglo-Saxon Dering, only radars are more powerful, otherwise the absolute advantage is in 22350.

[donavi49]

Well, FREMM has a slightly different trick. At the same time, their strike weapons are classical, because there are no tasks for him. But they shoved a fresh Aster-30 with which ballistic missile simulators shot down quite successfully. Well, on the radar they are on the 1,5 generation ahead with the masterpiece of Tales Hercules, even the Italians do not sell it.

[Rustam]

with and on the radar they are 1,5 generations ahead with the masterpiece of Thales Hercules, even the Italians do not sell it.

Be silent sad, at one time we wanted to order a couple of these under Taburetkin (they say there was interest)

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: donavi49

Well, on the radar, they are 1,5 generations ahead with the masterpiece of Tales Hercules,

Is it possible to have a comparative plate with characteristics?

[avt]

Finally ! Seven feet under the keel !

[Rustam]

avt (1) SU Today, 09:34 AM New
good Well, finally! Seven feet under the keel !

Well yes how in the song how long have I been waiting for you for 8 years, and will the trials and debugging take place? Well, if they pass it through a red piece, it will be normal! I noticed that the boards remained on the headlight mast (radar) are not removed?

ps- and they were going to build aircraft carriers

[Gans1234]

Just covered just in case)
Protective shields - while walking tudy-syudy- zafig shoot.
Open the photo in a separate tab - the inscription is visible

[Rustam]

Gans1234 (1) SU Today, 10:07 ↑
Just covered just in case)

Thank you, I basically thought so

[Gans1234]

As far as I understand, under the shields the "polymer" radars

[Eggor]

Quote: Gans1234

As far as I understand, under the shields the "polymer" radars

[Gans1234]

yeah, he is the "polymer"))

[RONIN-HS]

... and they were going to build aircraft carriers ...

Build. Don `t doubt.
It smelled of gunpowder and everyone ran in, the main thing is not to lose pace, not to calm down. A decent ship is a large one. On this you can go to the Ocean, and it’s good that there are a lot of air defense. There is something to plant a greyhound from the sky.

[avt]

Quote: Rustam

ps- and they were going to build aircraft carriers

We will order in France - they will get the nerves there, but they will build it on the contract time and for the contract price, and if there is a delay, then within the framework of the contract 3 months. Again, if the Yankees want to spoil - the penalty will be such that it will be easier for the Franks to give Nice with Toulon in addition..

[Rustam]

avt (1) SU Today, 10: 05
Order in France

We already will not order anything there (in the foreseeable future) for those who go with such an idea, immediately to the nail - there are precedents! there is no doubt (the belief that we have the best) is a good dope, but not always

[Gans1234]

Unfortunately, I agree with Rustam - now "stuttering" that we will buy / pastroe over the hill will be at least a bad taste rule, and the fifth point will be protected - out of harm's way - why risk it, otherwise again "sanctions".
We thought - Western business - the main thing is the grandmother, politics sideways. But it turned out how it happened.
France - the experience of communication with the whole West is perceived, and not as the experience of communication with the United States rubbed in the person of Hollande.
France is trying to push its refusal under the "force majeure" clause - the height of insolence. Ours has the last straw - okay, we will wait 3 months, as under the contract, and after the war in the courts.

Conclusion: You just need to conclude more detailed and "harsh" contracts - so that everyone would benefit and rosy, but God forbid to rock the boat with "sanctions", etc. - clear requirements, draconian fines and penalties.
The conclusion that ours made is no west. Years at 10 exactly

[Gans1234]

Quote: Rustam

ps- and they were going to build aircraft carriers

That `s all right
We raise worse than from scratch shipbuilding - out of ruin.
Corvettes have learned - frigates out of the norm.
Soon we will take up the destroyer - in 7-8 years will be the first)
But after the aircraft carrier / cruiser you can wait.
By old age I will have time to see this beauty)))
SchA troubles with the gas turbine for ships - you have to learn to do it yourself - disruption of terms and problems, but learning - also a positive point.

[Rustam]

Gans1234 (1) SU Today, 10:06 AM

That `s all right

I would argue, but I will not answer briefly

-Not everything is normal, and the 8-year-old saga with the Pot is an indicator (and the lope is broken there, especially in the first 3 years)

Corvettes have learned - frigates out of the norm.

Corvettes? Are you talking about 22380-82? actually with broken systems, I don’t know

frigates? which, acre 11356 x and all

Soon we will take up the destroyer - in 7-8 years will be the first)

And what prevents to restore the 956th? and not screaming loudly that for the Mistral there is no escort and therefore we do not need it! but about the leader, I don’t know if the country will have grandmothers

But after the aircraft carrier / cruiser you can wait.

Is this utopia and cut contraindicated? it’s better to repair and modernize Kuzyu! do we have catapults? is there a drlo plane?

SchA troubles with the gas turbine for ships - you have to learn to do it yourself - disruption of terms and problems, but learning - also a positive point.

Blimey? possible in cooperation with western partners

[Gans1234]

1) I mean - we are moving in the restoration of the fleet. Slowly, gradually, but moving
And not rotting in place and degrading, like just 10 years ago.
Problems and disgusting moments in the Navy and shipbuilding - I know myself a lot, well, at least not so hot.
All the norms are for the state of kamatoznik, who is learning to walk again.

2) Corvettes, no matter how bad they are - to the performance characteristics and weapons of all questions.
In addition, they see and treat errors. There was 22380. Right now, 22385, started talking about 22386. We learn from mistakes in the metal, and not on the drawings of non-existent ships.
The head corvette was also made for almost 7-8 years, but nevertheless the series were established, right now they are doing it for 5 (it’s ridiculous of course for the corvette, but progress is not all at once).
Frigates are setting up a series right now. By the year 20, we’ll fix it - we’ll remove the headache from all the little things about disrupting the delivery of weapons, the shipyards will catch up, the staff will become more skilled.

3) From small to large: RTOs / corvettes (now the norm for dealing with them) - frigates - destroyers
The destroyers following the frigates and by 25 year it is worth waiting for the lead instance.
By 30, establishing a series.
By 35-40, new ships of 1th rank. By that time, I hope they’ll be able to construct catapults.
The goal for 50 year is to reduce the quality gap of shipbuilding from the west and revive the industry.

4) I honestly don’t understand about Sarych and 1155 - they announced their modernization ...
I read about the plans - dust in the eyes and nothing more. A small retouch in electronics and armament in detail. 1155 generally do not think to change weapons. Kapitalka or replacing engines in general is now doubtful.
They hurt ofigensky. Almost a dozen ships can be completely and thoroughly rebuilt in 4-5 years - completely rebuilt and brought to modern stealth destroyers. Put on A-190, a pair of air defense systems and cram missiles.
It’s cheaper in terms of money than a new one from scratch, but in time it is many times faster.
The same TFR 1135. They stuttered about their modernization, but plans remained.
And their restructuring to the 11356 level is quite possible and justified - and so there are only a few. All one faster than building from scratch do not understand when.
Either the attendants are greedy, they want everything "new" but there is no nifiga in the end, or it moves once again, or it breaks or is afraid.
5) STU schA headache - pushes all deadlines for many ships on 2-3 of the year.
I’m xs, even in cooperation - the same Yu. Korea - their shipyards are chic, they somehow spoke of the possibility of cooperation and again died out.

6) Eagles / Atlanta - they had stealth technology in their case back then.
Modernization is not complete if they do not bring their appearance completely to modern standards - the restructuring of all add-ons using stealth technologies. Although the new missile weapons are buzzing, no questions asked.

7) BDK !! There was a complete seam as it was, and remained. Gren on the MOUTH of a soldier !! 10 years mumble and want to continue the series. We need modern analogues analogous to the volume of the old BDK. But the last Rhinoceros was sent for scrap - and the ship is only 20 years old.



In short lace is ragged and clumsy. And reaching the finish line of the long-suffering Gorshkov is a long-awaited and utter joy. We look forward to further progress in the fleet

[Rustam]

Thanks for the dialogue (I respect sane people who think and do not shout that we ourselves can do everything)

I’ll answer briefly (I’m rarely appearing here, there’s no time). Earlier, we analyzed

-to put things in order in USC -there's a mess and theft, and already in the crisis of the 90s after 14 years of reigning VV you can’t get rid of it. Here's an example of Pella a private company and how to develop — and the customer likes it, and they work in cooperation with western partners

-It’s impossible to build everything with us, even the USSR was behind a hill and nothing. And cooperation and technology must be adopted there, the same ships of the Russian Navy are equipped with Western equipment, equipped -If it is better to take a joint venture and build it with us. Example Mistralay- it’s an exemplary demonstration of how to build, and most importantly equip, a fool of 3 tons

thanks for communication

[Gans1234]

Wah, as culturally, with thanks - a rarity)
Thank you so much.
Yes, everyone who watches the fleet is adequate in the majority.

I agree with USC. 3 problems: system, personnel and corruption.
There is no system. It is not possible to create a system that can regulate itself - a lot of headaches about control, disruption of the delivery time of components, etc. will be removed.
Corruption. Here a question of laws. It is more profitable to steal and sit a little in prison (and that is not a fact) than not to steal at all.
Personnel - cleaning is needed. And to drive ideological ones to work - after all, there are men who are glad for the fleet at all levels - because of them, they did not completely fail.

There is another problem - generals and "experts" who do not know or do not want to know what the fleet needs. One Ivan Gren - 3 times officially during construction the project was redone - the requirements for the ship changed.
With this approach, a barge can be built for 10 years.

Mistral - experience of cooperation + SCHOOL. The school of both construction "fools in 21 tons", and the Western school of design and construction of the DCK, which had just begun to be worked out under the USSR but did not have time. And starting from scratch takes longer than having a starting point in metal and operating experience.
Unfortunately, now this "experience" is in the negative - FIG knows when they will "risk" again
build a ship beyond the hill.
The French for "force majeure" want to avoid fines - they are also full of stupidity (

[Gans1234]

Here by the way, a photo from the satellite of Nakhimov with disassembled Granites

[Crang]

Well, cool finally !!! He alone will be able to sink the entire Ukrainian fleet. And twenty of these form a powerful KUG, terrible for any fleet in the world.

[mathkiller]

Pretty boy.

[seregatara1969]

this handsome man will make a noise in here