Galician intelligentsia is preparing a transition Ukrainian language on Latin.

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The idea of ​​replacing the Cyrillic alphabet in the Ukrainian language with Latin for the sake of European integration is very close to Galician thinkers. A round table on this topic will be held on November 9 in Lviv

In Lviv on November 9, in the famous cult cafe "Dziga", a discussion will take place on the topic: is it possible to translate the Ukrainian language from the Cyrillic alphabet into the Latin alphabet. This is reported by the program News "Facts" of the Ukrainian TV channel ICTV. The main argument in favor of switching to the Latin alphabet among local intellectuals is civilizational. Ukrainian people or, more precisely, Western Ukraine is “for centuries the people of Europe. This is what makes him different from Russians and Little Russians (Naddnipryansky Ukrainians - ed.), Who, in fact, are Russian people. ” And Latin, as well as possible, will emphasize the belonging of Western Ukrainians to the family of the peoples of Central Europe.

Sooner or later, such a transition from Cyrillic to Latin will take place, the Lviv intelligentsia believes. The idea of ​​"romanizing the Ukrainian language" appeared in the 90s among Galician intellectuals who actively advocated the independence of Galicia. By 2000, the norms of Latin spelling in the Ukrainian language had already been developed. Among the developers, the most famous was the artist and publicist Vlodko (Vladimir - ed.) Kostyrko. In the early 2000s, he already published his articles in Ukrainian, written in Latin, in issues of the Lviv culturological almanac "Ї". Kostyrko has long since switched to the Latin alphabet in his Ukrainian-language texts. By this he hopes to underline the irreconcilability and even hostility of two cultures - the "European" Western Ukrainian and the "Russian" Central Ukrainian. He even created the painting "Uniate Kills a Cossack" in his time. In the picture, a Polish hussar with "wings" hits the head of a Zaporozhets with a spear. This is a reminder that in the 17th century there was a war between the Galicians, Greek Catholics and the Orthodox people of Dnipro, the descendants of the Cossacks.

Greek Catholics, reminds the artist, fought on the side of the Catholic Poles. With the passage of time, and especially after the Ukrainisation of the Galicians in the 19 century, it was forgotten. Today, Vlodko Kostyrko openly vents the inhabitants of Eastern and Western Ukraine, arguing that there can be no cultural and civilizational reconciliation between them.

Let me remind you that in March, the Temporary Special Commission for the preparation of the draft law "On the development and use of languages ​​in Ukraine" considered the gradual abandonment of the use of the Cyrillic alphabet in Ukraine. Back in 2007, I wrote about an attempt, during President Yushchenko's time, to extend the replacement of the Cyrillic alphabet to abetsadlo. But then these attempts were doomed.

Issues related to the functioning of the language in the XX and XXI centuries had and have a political and civilizational dimension. And recently, on various Internet resources, sensational information appeared - that for several months now the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine has been working on a commission to translate the Ukrainian language from Cyrillic to Latin, and Foreign Minister Boris Tarasyuk, who was dismissed by the Verkhovna Rada, has been heading. The commission includes employees of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, the Ministry of Education and Science, the Ministry of Culture and Tourism. In addition to the state of philologists and linguists, some deputies of the Verkhovna Rada from the Our Ukraine faction, in particular Vyacheslav Koval and Mykola Onishchuk, are engaged in the direct development of the project. The idea of ​​creating a commission allegedly originated at the beginning of 2005 and was supported by President Yushchenko. But then she was at the level of rumors leaked in the media and, after a series of critical publications in the press, was "forgotten." However, the development of the project by scientists continued. Once again, the idea of ​​creating a commission emerged after the parliamentary elections that failed for Our Ukraine. And in August 2006, the commission was still created. The Moldovan nationalist website Moldovatoday.net reported that the commission under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs conducts ongoing consultations with Moldovan colleagues who translated the Moldovan language into Latin. It is also reported that the problem of translating the Ukrainian language into Latin was discussed in the backroom conversations of the Ukrainian and Moldavian delegations at the third meeting of the GUAM Parliamentary Assembly in October 2006.

I think that constant experiments on the Ukrainian language are carried out not only because of the desire of individual “svdomykh” officials to earnestly earn the favor of Western patrons. This is done in order to bring down a single cultural and civilizational space of peoples close to each other. Slavic peoples adapted writing, depending on whether they adopted Christianity of the rite, Byzantine or Latin. If it was Latin, then it determined the choice of writing, - the Latins used the Vulgate for religious purposes - a variant of the Bible, which was almost never translated into national languages, for such was the policy of the western church. Hence there was no need to adapt the written language of the surrounded Slavs to the peculiarities of their languages.

Byzantium went another way, and the missionaries Konstantin the Philosopher (Cyril) and his brother Methodius, translated the Gospel into Slavic (more precisely, his Old Bulgarian dialect), for which they created a special script. This Slavic translation was accepted by all those Slavs who professed Orthodoxy. That is, our present writing is due to the choice made once.

However, attacks on the Cyrillic alphabet were undertaken repeatedly - in the XIX century. in the Austro-Hungarian Galicia and in the XX century. already ... the Bolsheviks.

Alphabet and abetzadlo

Back in 1823, the Viennese palace librarian and philologist, Bartholomew Kopitar, a Slovenian by nationality, wrote in his letter to the Czech philologist Joseph Dobrovsky: "My ideal for all Slavs is Latin letters, and for addition - several Slavic letters from Cyrillic." He proposed to introduce phonetic transcription into language practice, which would lead to individual writing for virtually every village in Galicia. In addition, he was going to replace the Cyrillic alphabet with a Latin alphabet.

In 1833, a collection of ethnographer and writer Vatslav Zaleski Piesni polskie i ruskie ludu galicyjskiego "Songs of the Polish and Russian Galician People" was published in Lemberg. As an alphabet, he used not Russian, but Polish, which he explained to the following reason: “I took it as a basis to write as much as the people say, even if it were grammatical errors. And the fact that I used Polish letters for this, and not verb or Cyrillic, - so everyone obviously praises me for it. I am sure that the time will come when all the Slavic peoples will leave those old letters that most of all prevent the introduction of Slavic literature to the general mass of European literature. ”

He was supported by his colleague - historian, publisher and translator of the Lay of Igor's Post, Avgust Belevsky. In the review of the collection, he wrote: “One of the most important points that the publisher touched in the book is what letters and how spelling to print songs of the Russian people, who have no grammar or dictionary for their language yet ...”

However, neither Zaleski, nor Belevsky, in their attempts to introduce the Latin alphabet for the Galician Ruthenians, had yet set political goals. They just wanted to “make happy” the common people. Somewhat later, events began, which were later dubbed the "alphabet war."

The idea of ​​the Latin alphabet was taken up by the young Galician priest Joseph Lozinsky, who published an article in the Lviv newspaper Rozmaitosci (1834, no. 29), the work "Russian wedding". In the 30s of the XIX century. in Galicia, the process of national revival was taking place. His soul was "Galician awakeners" - the youth of the Lviv University, headed by Markiyan Shashkevich, Ivan Vagilevich and Yakov Golovatsky, nicknamed at the university "Rus' Trinity". It was they who gave the most harsh rebuke to the attempt to introduce the Polish "abetsadl", considering it an attempt to tear Galicia away from historical and cultural ancient Russian roots. “That is the question of existence: to be or not to be Rusyns in Galicia,” wrote Golovatsky much later, “if the Galicians in the 1830s accepted the Polish Abetsadlo, the Russian individual nationality would disappear, the Russian spirit would disappear, and the second Kholmshchyna would become from Galician Rus. "(Golovatsky Y., Notes and additions to the articles of Mr. Pypin, published in the" Bulletin of Europe "for 1885 and 1886, Vilna, 1888). In response, Markiyan Shashkevich in 1836 published a brochure "ABC and Abetsadlo". In it, he argued and convincingly showed the unfoundedness, unacceptability and direct harm of Lozinsky's proposal. He also argued that the departure from the Cyrillic alphabet would not bring Galicians closer to European culture, but would only alienate them from other Slavs. For some time, the idea of ​​introducing the Latin alphabet was put aside.

The next attempt of the Viennese authorities to translate the Galician-Russian language on a Latin basis was undertaken in the 1859 year. In Vienna, a brochure of the Austrian political figure and high-ranking official of the Ministry of Education Yosef Irechek Ueber den Vorschlag, das Ruthenische mit lateinischen Schriftzeishen zu schreiben (“On the proposal to the Rusians to write in Latin letters”) was published. The author clearly stated the purpose of the spelling reform: “The healthy development of Ukrainian literature will find the strongest support for using Latin letters. As long as the Ruthenians write and print in Cyrillic, they will show a tendency towards Church Slavonic and, therefore, towards Russian, and therefore the very existence of Ukrainian literature will be questioned. Church Slavonic and Russian influence are so great that they threaten to completely oust the local language and local literature. ” And further: "In addition to rejection from the Russian people, the transition to the Latin alphabet would later help the Galician Ukrainians to learn Polish and German, without which they would not live anyway."

Such influential people in the Galich ruska environment as Bishop Litvinovich and philologist Joseph Lozinsky who had turned to Russophile positions by that time voted against this reform. They argued that this reform was “pernicious for the Rus people, because with the Latin alphabet the spirit of the Ukrainian people and faith would perish.”

Already in the summer, Irechek was going to come to Lemberg and head the textbook commission, and from October 1859, the children in Galicia were to begin training in new primers. But the scope of popular opposition to reform struck the authorities. The population of Galicia held spontaneous meetings, articles appeared in the press, petitions were written, and deputations were sent. And the Austrian authorities, remembering well the Hungarian revolution of 1848, retreated.

“... books written in the Russian alphabet will become the subject of history”


In 1919, in the “Izvestia” file for March, a note “On the Latin Alphabet” appeared with the frivolous signature “Old High School Student”. It was a letter to the editors, humorous in form, but with a serious, essentially, posing the question. It stated: “Our alphabet is too complex and so different from that adopted in Western Europe that foreigners are horrified by it. We should go to the Latin script, simpler and more elegant, just as we switched from the Russian calendar to the common European and metric system, instead of “pounds” and “arshinov”. And it was explained how it is possible to transmit specifically Russian sounds in Latin letters. There were also references to Slavic peoples, for example, to Poles, who have been using the Latin for a long time.

Ktoo took refuge behind a pseudonym - contemporaries figured out easily. It was either Lunacharsky or Bukharin — the main red intellectuals who then became active propagandists of the “new alphabet”. But what a whim - to translate Russia into Latin?

And everything is very simple: the ardent revolutionaries considered the common alphabet to be one of the tools designed to create a new interethnic community. Why Latin? Firstly, the new leaders in their spirit were, of course, people of Western civilization. And secondly, the world revolution will follow the Russian revolution! Renounce the old world and start everything from scratch.

They started it in 1922 in Azerbaijan. Chairman of the Central Election Commission of Azerbaijan Samad Agamali-ogly, after talking with Lenin beforehand, created in Baku the “Committee of the NTA (New Turkic Alphabet)”. Lenin, according to Lunacharsky, very much approved the idea of ​​romanization, he only thought that it was necessary to do this “later, when we got stronger”). Soon the Latin alphabet in Azerbaijan became state. The old writing was declared "feudal-reactionary." Especially since Kemal Ataturk, who was then considered as a strategic ally, Latinized Turkey with might and main. The Latin alphabet was gradually conceived to be made basic for all non-Slavic peoples of the USSR.

At the Presidium of the Council of Nationalities of the CEC in 1927, the All-Union Central Committee of the new alphabet was created. By the beginning of 30, the 17 languages ​​of Muslim peoples were translated into Latin, and by 1936 there were already 68 of different nationalities. All this happened against the background of indigenization (in our country, Ukrainization was carried out under the leadership of Kaganovich). In 1930, on the initiative of Lunacharsky, the question of the romanization of the Russian alphabet (as well as of Ukraine and Russia) was put on the line. In the article “Latinization of Russian Writing”, published in the journal “Culture and Writing of the East”, he wrote: “From now on, our Russian alphabet alienated us not only from the West, but also from the East, largely by our own awakened ... Gradually books, written in Russian alphabet, will be the subject of history. Of course, it will always be useful to learn Russian in order to have access to them. This will already be a sensible benefit for those who will be engaged in the history of literature, but for the new generation it will be in any case less and less necessary ... The benefits presented by the introduction of the Latin font are enormous. It gives us maximum internationalism, while connecting us not only with the West, but also with the renewed East. ”

The subcommission on romanization of Russian writing, created then at the Glavnauka Narkompros, declared the Russian alphabet “an ideologically alien form of socialist construction of graphics”, “a remnant of class graphics of the XVIII-XIX centuries. Russian feudal landowners and the bourgeoisie "," graphics of autocratic oppression, missionary propaganda, Great-Russian national chauvinism and violent Russification. "

Flaming Latinizers began to slow down in the middle of 1930's. Stalin managed to defeat his Trotsky opponents, so the ideas of the world revolution lost their relevance. A great war was approaching the country, and it was necessary for the peoples to feel themselves in a single cultural space.

In 1936, the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) Received a comprehensive report NR-322, which, inter alia, said: “The enemies of the Soviet government and the CPSU (B.) Tried to use romanization in order to separate the workers of these republics and regions from the common family Of the peoples of the USSR. Pretending to be talking about the “international character” of the Latin basis, they defended their orientation towards bourgeois culture Zap. Europe as opposed to a developing culture, national in form and socialist in content ... As a result of the active eradication of the Russian alphabet, the All-Russian Central Committee and local committees of the NA created 10 romanized alphabets for peoples with Russian script ... Terminological construction of languages ​​of many peoples of the Union is also not favorable SSR.It is especially unfavorable in this respect among the border peoples and nationalities, where "romanization" is simply an instrument of big and small imperialists. For example, in Soviet Moldavia, for a number of years Romanization of terminology was openly carried out, and in Soviet Karelia (with the old leadership) it was the most active initialization. And all this happened, despite the resistance of the broad masses of the population. " Today, the phrase from the book “The Golden Calf” reminds of those times: “the Herculeans” promised to respond to someone’s intrigues with a friendly translation of office work into the Latin alphabet ”. The meaning of this joke becomes clear only if we recall the unrealized campaign of romanization. But the work of the enthusiasts of “approaching the West” was not lost ... 

Why should mobile operators transliterate?

When you read the programmatic article on the romanization of the Ukrainian language “Ukrlatinitsa: simple and with taste” in “The Mirror of the Week” (No. 28 (453), 26.07 — 1.08. 03), it seems that it fell into the distant 30-s. The same arguments are “approaching the civilized West”. The same enemy is “Great Russian chauvinism” and Orthodoxy. And also the main target group is the younger generation: “... Not in the current generation, but in the succeeding ones. Because already from the cradle, still not understanding what these squiggles mean, the child will get used to the Latin alphabet. It will pay off when the time comes to learn a foreign language: the little Ukrainian will no longer have a break-up about the typeface. ”

As you know, the truth is often spoken through the lips of children. Recently, my daughter asked me an amazing question: "Mom, why would a mobile phone operator overpower SMS messages from Ukrainian language, ale Latin letters?"

Why indeed? After all, on any keyboard there is not only Latin, but also Cyrillic font. But the majority of customers of mobile operators, as is known, are young people. And she gradually gets used to the Latin transliteration.

As mentioned above, online publications report consultations between our developers and Moldovan colleagues, who in the beginning of 90 synthesized Moldovan language based on the work of the Lunacharsky commission.

I contacted the first secretary of the press service of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Natalia Zhitaryuk. She “in working order” denied this information, adding that “Yakshche newspaper“ 2000 ”has a claim on those who have a serious newspaper, it won’t be disinformatiti readers and writers about those who do not adhere to those who are not“ untill ”. denies the existence of a commission on the Latin transliteration of the Ukrainian language; it is highly alarming that over the past few years, network publications and reputable newspapers constantly “throw in” this topic. At the orange youth forums, it is discussed quite aggressively. But it should be remembered that the prologue to the war that split the former Moldavian SSR into two irreconcilable parts was precisely the romanization of the language.
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  1. +17
    10 November 2014 14: 16
    And do not care historical roots. To hell with Cyril and Methodius. They don’t need their story, they don’t need their country.
    If so let them give up Kiev, why should they.
    1. Evgen4ik
      +48
      10 November 2014 14: 30
      I catch myself thinking that if Putin makes a live statement that he hates most of all in his life to scrub pigeon poop and eat it. Half of Ukraine, especially in the West, will run out into the street and begin to eat pigeon droppings. At the same time fun chanting according to tradition.
      1. +26
        10 November 2014 14: 39
        The idea of ​​replacing the Cyrillic alphabet in Ukrainian with Latin for the sake of European integration is very close to Galician thinkers.

        Well done .. treasures pouring Galicia rules the whole of Ukraine? (except New Russia ..) Aren't you ashamed ..? A bunch of villagers put almost the whole of Ukraine in a pose ... I goof .... .... !!! Continue in the same direction central Ukraine soon they (the Galicians) will graze goats and clean the huts .. bowing to the panam constantly .. bully And those to the superior panam ... etc ... fu damn ..
        1. +3
          10 November 2014 14: 53
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Shame on you ..? A bunch of villagers put almost the whole of Ukraine in a pose ... I goof .... .... !!!


          Not very Kalomoyny and Parashenko and others are similar to small-town villagers from the Pale of Settlement.
          1. +7
            10 November 2014 15: 11
            Quote: Humpty
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Shame on you ..? A bunch of villagers put almost the whole of Ukraine in a pose ... I goof .... .... !!!


            Not very Kalomoyny and Parashenko and others are similar to small-town villagers from the Pale of Settlement.

            Right..! But they managed to crush them and direct them in the direction they needed .. (while they jump and kill) they rob under slogans .. and a promise .. hi The West laughs and claps its hands ...
            1. avg
              +17
              10 November 2014 16: 39
              It did not fit the Ancient Great Ukrainians to go to the Latin alphabet. It's time to fall to the roots. Only cuneiform writing, at worst runes. sad
              1. +5
                10 November 2014 18: 01
                Quote: avg
                Only cuneiform writing, at worst runes

                not the worst option, just let them agree with the "vents", otherwise there will be problems with the keys wassat
              2. +4
                10 November 2014 18: 50
                I think that they should not be disturbed, there is a place for them, that is, in Latin. Let them degrade completely. They don’t deserve the language of either Russian or Slavic
                1. mazhnikof.Niko
                  +3
                  10 November 2014 19: 21
                  Quote: kare
                  I think that they should not be disturbed, there is a place for them, that is, in Latin. Let them degrade completely. They don’t deserve the language of either Russian or Slavic


                  I agree with you! Moreover, Galicians and not Slavs for a long time. Degradants of Polish swineherds and maids. They want to separate them from Krajina and hi live!
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                3. 0
                  11 November 2014 07: 26
                  And they said that Ovid was a "great ukry"
                  1. 0
                    11 November 2014 17: 54
                    protoukry is the name of cockroaches in the heads of Ukrainian scientific historians.
                4. 0
                  11 November 2014 17: 52
                  Changing the meaning of letters does not change their sacred essence.
                5. 0
                  29 August 2017 15: 45
                  168 initial letters were originally
              3. +1
                11 November 2014 01: 22
                Quote: avg
                It did not fit the Ancient Great Ukrainians to go to the Latin alphabet. It's time to fall to the roots. Only cuneiform writing, at worst runes. sad

                Only hieroglyphs, as in ancient Egypt, the pharaohs were probably ukrami ...
        2. +1
          10 November 2014 20: 57
          Yes, let them, as they were nefty, so they remained, as they did not mean anything in history, they remained - "Ivans who do not know kinship", time will heal, but it will be too late ...
        3. 0
          11 November 2014 10: 44
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Well done .. treasures pouring Galicia rules the whole of Ukraine? (except New Russia ..) Aren't you ashamed ..? A bunch of villagers put almost the whole of Ukraine in a pose ... I goof .... .... !!! Continue in the same direction central Ukraine soon they (the Galicians) will graze goats and clean the huts .. bowing to the panam constantly .. And those to the higher panam .. etc ... fu damn ..


          Not ... Galicians do not rule - they are just weapons in the hands of pro-Western oligarchs. And the "intelligentsia" of Galicia simply has an exacerbation of "Russophobia".
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      3. +5
        10 November 2014 14: 42
        Quote: Evgen4ik
        I catch myself thinking that if Putin makes a live statement that he hates most of all in his life to scrub pigeon poop and eat it. Half of Ukraine, especially in the West, will run out into the street and begin to eat pigeon droppings. At the same time fun chanting according to tradition.

        Well noticed. +
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      5. WKS
        +3
        10 November 2014 16: 29
        Quote: Evgen4ik
        I catch myself thinking that if Putin makes a live statement that he hates most of all in his life to scrub pigeon poop and eat it. Half of Ukraine, especially in the West, will run out into the street and begin to eat pigeon droppings. At the same time fun chanting according to tradition.

        It's time for Putin to say so.
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      1. +27
        10 November 2014 14: 44
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        It seems to me to swear, they will still be in Russian.

        I recently read here: the most educated country in the world is Ukraine, where everyone without a doubt knows a foreign language - Russian, and most of them know a foreign language much better than the state one. smile
        1. +11
          10 November 2014 15: 36
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          It seems to me to swear, they will still be in Russian.

          I recently read here: the most educated country in the world is Ukraine, where everyone without a doubt knows a foreign language - Russian, and most of them know a foreign language much better than the state one. smile

          Riddle-Marina: Maxim in you?
          Tanya: no, he already took out
          Marina: whom is tse vin vinuv ???
          Tanya: what did you ask in Ukrainian?
          Marina: Bitch laughing
          1. Alex_Popovson
            +10
            10 November 2014 16: 44
            The schoolgirl is very late for the Ukrainian lesson. He enters the class almost at the end and, as usual, apologizes:
            - Sorry, I'm late.
            To which the teacher rightly remarks to her:
            - Yes, you did not crap. You are crazy!
        2. +6
          10 November 2014 16: 02
          Quote: Vladimirets
          the most educated country in the world is Ukraine, where everyone without a doubt knows a foreign language - Russian, and most of them know a foreign language much better than the state one.

          Well, that’s probably why Poroshenko said that Russian would not be the second state. On the contrary! THE SECOND STATE WANTS TO MAKE ENGLISH !!!!
          1. +1
            11 November 2014 01: 29
            Quote: Egoza
            Quote: Vladimirets
            the most educated country in the world is Ukraine, where everyone without a doubt knows a foreign language - Russian, and most of them know a foreign language much better than the state one.

            Well, that’s probably why Poroshenko said that Russian would not be the second state. On the contrary! THE SECOND STATE WANTS TO MAKE ENGLISH !!!!

            Well then, they generally will not really know a single language. They’ll probably switch to gestures. And what is very universal (except for the Bulgarians) ...
      2. +2
        10 November 2014 15: 20
        Quote: SRC P-15
        But how then can they be sent to x ... in Cyrillic or Latin? It seems to me to swear, they will still be in Russian. laughing

        On censor.net this is very common .. The point is not in the Cyrillic and Latin letters ... They want to become pans simply! To whips and mats as in the old days .. (in small farms and pans ...))) The Germans dreamed about it when they fought. . (somewhere on the Volga or Ukraine a couple sat down at their disposal to have villagers, etc.) so that the illiterate slaughtered would work for them and bow to the ground .... This is life ... !!! am
        1. +9
          10 November 2014 18: 03
          No words! Just no words!

          By der Freitag Vit Yash. made a selection of jokes about Ukraine:

          “Ukraine is the most educated country in the world! Because all of its population speaks a “foreign” language. It’s often better than at home. ”

          “Ukraine is the only country in the world whose 30% of the population, even after 90 years of Ukrainization, does not speak the state - Ukrainian - language, but everyone speaks Russian. Based on this, scientists have developed a theory according to which Ukrainian is the most difficult language to study in the world, and Russian is the simplest. ”

          “” We will not allow the onset of winter in Ukraine, but if it does come, Russia will pay for it. ” Jennifer Psaki. "

          “They say laughter prolongs life. Yesterday I read a new history textbook written in Kiev. Perhaps now I will live forever. "

          “A mysterious Robin Hood has gotten into the Ukrainian military enlistment offices: he takes the subpoenas from the rich and distributes them to the poor.”

          “Kolomoisky threatens Russia with a court in The Hague because of the funds he lost in Crimea. Moscow replies: "The money was found and is awaiting him in a solitary confinement cell on the Lubyanka."

          “If we supply Ukraine with gas for free, soon the Ukrainians will demand a surcharge from us.”

          “When Poroshenko climbed the Ukrainian throne, he immediately declared:“ First of all, we will take care of the return of the Crimea ”... Moscow:“ Wait a minute, you already returned it - have you forgotten? ”

          “Russia is withdrawing troops from the Ukrainian border. Maybe he wants to try with a run? ”

          “Whoever leaves the Ukraine last will pay Ukrainian debts.”

          “The Ukrainians bought the best computer from the United States, which can even calculate the future, and asked him who will be the president of Ukraine in 2020. After a week of calculations, the computer issued a counter question: "Which Ukraine?"

          “The IMF has promised Ukraine $ 17 billion. "If this is not enough, we will promise more."

          "Obama:" We demand from Russia that it withdraw its troops as far from the border as possible. " Putin: "Will Kiev fit?"

          “Ukraine will open Chernobyl for tourists. Like Disneyland, it’s only better - because the two-meter mouse is real. ”

          "Obama:" We have promised Ukraine billions of dollars in aid, and if necessary, we will promise it many, many times. "

          “The Russian tsars did not even imagine that they were founding Ukrainian cities.”

          “Crimea is our land! And the population of Crimea is our people! - said the Ukrainian government. “And so that no one doubts this, we will cut off gas, water and turn off the electricity to Crimea.”

          “Ukrainian nationalists vowed to never speak Russian. Now, when they swear, they are only suffocating from rage and lack of words. "

          “The Secretary of State breaks into the Oval Office in the White House.
          - Mr. President, Russian troops entered the Crimea.
          - What? Without bombing and shelling? Barbarism!"
          1. +3
            10 November 2014 21: 14
            Quote: Sid.74
            By der Freitag Vit Yash. made a selection of jokes about Ukraine:

            I agree with almost everything.
            Yes, the situation is largely anecdotal. But you still need to live.
        2. +1
          11 November 2014 01: 31
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Quote: SRC P-15
          But how then can they be sent to x ... in Cyrillic or Latin? It seems to me to swear, they will still be in Russian. laughing

          On censor.net this is very common .. The point is not in the Cyrillic and Latin letters ... They want to become pans simply! To whips and mats as in the old days .. (in small farms and pans ...))) The Germans dreamed about it when they fought. . (somewhere on the Volga or Ukraine a couple sat down at their disposal to have villagers, etc.) so that the illiterate slaughtered would work for them and bow to the ground .... This is life ... !!! am

          That's it, the pans are now working with the Heroes and Sirs as plumbers ...
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      4. +3
        10 November 2014 15: 39
        It seems to me to swear, they will still be in Russian. laughing

        ...... It seems to me that in Yiddish or Hebrew .... As a result of recent studies on the genome of the so-called very interesting things were found out by the Western Ukrainians ..... It turned out (I don’t remember the percentage, but still) that the genome of the broad consists of 20% of the Gali genes, 60% of the Jewish genes and 20% of the Turkic genes ....
    3. +3
      10 November 2014 14: 34
      Europeans damn the roof completely !! fool They themselves can then figure out what they wrote! recourse
      1. 0
        11 November 2014 01: 36
        Quote: Hellraiser
        Europeans damn the roof completely !! fool They themselves can then figure out what they wrote! recourse

        What for? They are not going to read, but only to write ...
    4. +12
      10 November 2014 14: 54
      "Galician intelligentsia" ... Well said! At the summit, the aristocrats of the strict regime zone and the well-born collective farm nobility of the nearby villages decided to approve the feni as the state language of all progressive mankind on the scale of the aforementioned region. Okay, let the moron play self-determination. Not long left.
      1. +9
        10 November 2014 15: 32
        The Galician intelligentsia was destroyed in 41. Even the fascists were shocked by the "ordinary Gallic people" destroying this intelligentsia.
      2. +8
        10 November 2014 15: 38
        Quote: 1812 1945
        "Galician intelligentsia" ... Well said! At the summit, the aristocrats of the strict regime zone and the well-born collective farm nobility of the nearby villages decided to approve the feni as the state language of all progressive mankind on the scale of the aforementioned region. Okay, let the moron play self-determination. Not long left.

        The likeness of Georgian princes is one hackle, two rams. laughing
      3. +3
        10 November 2014 17: 51
        And so the nation’s self-destruction takes place. Or maybe such a nation never happened, and they invented it themselves? I would like to see in the Latin alphabet the two letters F (Zaporizhzhia) or S, which the Ukrainian language is rich in. Yes, just do not count all the moments that the Latin cannot convey. Well, go for it.
        1. +3
          10 November 2014 19: 04
          Quote: Iline
          I would like to see in the Latin alphabet two letters F

          Why go far? Try to talk with the Pole - the meaning of what has been said will be completely understandable. But try to read something ...
        2. +2
          10 November 2014 19: 41
          Quote: Iline
          And so the nation’s self-destruction takes place.

          UkroTV has just announced that this information is fake from Russian TV. And we also have a "fake DPR republic" ... in any case, the word "fake" has firmly taken its place in the Ukrainian language.
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    6. +3
      10 November 2014 15: 28
      Russophobia has scored all corners of the Galicians consciousness.
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    8. +4
      10 November 2014 15: 41
      They don't even know the story: in the photo, in the background, you can see a "restorer" in a soldier's cap Austro-Hungarian armyseems to be the 19th Hungarian regiment.
      For those interested, here is the link:
      http://army.armor.kiev.ua/forma-2/avstria-1.shtml
      You can also see classic illustrations for the unforgettable Schweik.
    9. +2
      10 November 2014 16: 03
      Dear vrach SU Today, 14: 16. We bought Kiev from the Pole for 146 thousand rubles, now there are about 800 thousand zapadentsev there, will you feed them at your own expense or do you think they will feed you? There, in Kiev, wild Russophobia (I lived and studied there. Now my relatives and schoolmates live there) and fierce hatred of everything Russian. There, the mentality of people is not ours, it is in the Southeast that there is still the opportunity to reason people and leave them as our allies.
      1. 0
        11 November 2014 01: 46
        Quote: captain
        Dear vrach SU Today, 14: 16. We bought Kiev from the Pole for 146 thousand rubles, now there are about 800 thousand zapadentsev there, will you feed them at your own expense or do you think they will feed you? There, in Kiev, wild Russophobia (I lived and studied there. Now my relatives and schoolmates live there) and fierce hatred of everything Russian. There, the mentality of people is not ours, it is in the Southeast that there is still the opportunity to reason people and leave them as our allies.

        So what? Give Kiev (Mother of Russian cities) to the Poles? Did they shed a lot of blood for him?
        You can't find enough food for everyone who wants to "Kem volosts".
        It will be uncomfortable for anyone in Russian, working Kiev, no one is holding the tablecloth, where they came from, let them return there, or even further, somewhere to Canada or Australia.
        1. 0
          11 November 2014 13: 23
          Did you happen to confuse Kiev with Lemberg? Of course, a lot of raguls came not only from the Western world, but also from the region. In the villages, mainly schools do not teach anything; in one class, children of 5–6 ages study or 1 active school in 4–5 villages. The level of education is thus below the plinth. All young people want to go somewhere to work. In Soviet times, we traveled to cities, so even after working at the plant / factory for 10 years, you could get an apartment, and right now just take a loan .. even before the Maidan, a lot of people came from Donbass, as I was looking for a notary, so for 3 from Lugansk in a row I stumbled...
    10. +6
      10 November 2014 16: 05
      And it’s even cooler to switch to nodal writing, thereby emphasizing your involvement in the creation of writing. And Ukrainians have many ribbons in a wreath, you can always send an expensive SMSku))
      1. +3
        10 November 2014 21: 12
        Quote: Smoke
        And it’s even cooler to switch to nodal writing, thereby emphasizing your involvement in the creation of writing.

        An interesting idea for the Ukrainian authorities. After all, the Native Americans did just that when Columbus appeared. This will immediately give an occasion to declare America native Ukrainian lands and demand the return of both continents to Ukrainian jurisdiction. wink
    11. +1
      10 November 2014 17: 49
      Quote: vrach
      And do not care historical roots. To hell with Cyril and Methodius. They don’t need their story, they don’t need their country.

      Yes, to hell with them, even though they walk the streets on their heads, but they write in Arabic script, what is it to us? You will not be forcibly sweet. They don’t want any relations with Russia, well, they don’t need it, and if they want, it’s only on a commercial basis, no charity, no brotherhood!
      1. +4
        10 November 2014 18: 29
        In Belarus, we also thought of the Belarusian Latin alphabet, the question is why the heck ??? belay As if the normal Belarusian and Russian languages ​​are not enough request


        Maps of the Minsk Metro, who was in Minsk, he saw

        Our pro-Western oppositionists are also thinking about replacing the Cyrillic alphabet in the Belarusian language with the Latin alphabet - so that "a yak in Europe" (to be like in Europe)
        1. +3
          10 November 2014 20: 21
          The names of streets and metro stations in Moscow are written in Latin letters, this is only for tourists. In the photograph where Maskouskaya Street is, the Latin inscription below contains str., That is, street. Or is it not an English word already?
          1. +1
            10 November 2014 21: 14
            Quote: FlyEngine
            The names of streets and metro stations in Moscow are written in Latin letters, this is only for tourists. In the photograph where Maskouskaya Street is, the Latin inscription below contains str., That is, street. Or is it not an English word already?

            The word street is English, but the names of streets and metro stations themselves are written in "Belarusian Latin" - look at the letters in the names, in English there are no such letters with, s and u with birds on top, as on signs.
        2. +3
          10 November 2014 20: 28
          Quote: 0255
          "a yak at Europe" (to be like in Europe)

          A virus, some kind. Worse than Ebola.
        3. 0
          11 November 2014 17: 57
          So after all, we came up with the idea in Siberia - the names of the electric train stations were translated into English, the euro-integrators in the Russian Railways also went wrong - the civilized Jews.
    12. +6
      10 November 2014 18: 42
      Quote: vrach
      . To hell with Cyril and Methodius.


      The second cherished dream of Adolf Alois Schicklgruber. fellow
    13. Denis fj
      +3
      10 November 2014 20: 07
      In fact, the Ukrainian mov-developed in the late XIX - early XX centuries Svidomo money zhidov, with the support of the Austrian secret services.
      But they acted very simply - they took as their basis not Surzhik, but the Galician village dialect, as the least similar to Russian, and replaced there all the words coinciding with the Russians with polonisms and Germanisms. Or they came up with new words - for example, they replaced the “steamer” with “steam”.
      The result was such an artificial freak that it is impossible to listen without laughter.
      No one in Ukraine was going to use it - everyone laughed at him.
      However, in the 1920s, the zhida-Bolsheviks and the zhidot-Trotskyists forcibly forced all Ukrainians to learn this "Zhydov-Galich movement".
      Now, with the translation into the Latin alphabet, this mov will become even less similar to Russian - the Latin alphabet does not have letters that convey Russian sounds - e, e, u, i, there is no soft and hard sign ...
      So, for example, the Czechs instead of "Katerina" appeared "Katerina", and the Poles instead of "Rzeczpospolita" appeared "Rzecz Pospolita".
      1. 0
        11 November 2014 00: 11
        Yes, yes, it was they who began to introduce this “miracle-mov.” And yes, Zhid-Bolsheviks and Zhid-Trotskyists are one and the same.
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  3. +7
    10 November 2014 14: 20
    Do RO DY ... Not a gram of self-esteem ....
    1. +7
      10 November 2014 14: 24
      Quote: 341712
      Not a gram of self-esteem ....

      Everything is normal, they are already dumb, and now the last brains will dry out.
      1. +2
        10 November 2014 14: 32
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: 341712
        Not a gram of self-esteem ....
        Everything is normal, they are already dumb, and now the last brains will dry out.


        The conclusion is shorter: we get a monkey near us ... Mother ... a circus with horses ...
        1. +3
          10 November 2014 14: 51
          Quote: 341712
          Their .. circus with horses ...

          Well, what to do, we will train.
          1. +4
            10 November 2014 16: 02
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: 341712
            Their .. circus with horses ...

            Well, what to do, we will train.

            - Did Julia come?
            - Not yet...
            - The premiere is gone! laughing
            1. +2
              10 November 2014 19: 17
              I refuse to understand how so? A bunch of zombie idiots from birth were able to conquer a whole country like Ukraine. I understand that the black master is in control of everything, but all the same it is impossible to sink to such a degree of meanness as your own history of tradition and the culture of obk @ kat. You are not what you are, but still a people, a nation. I'm not saying that fraternal Russian. How can you betray, interfere with the dirt of the memory of ancestors. Where is the world heading? How did the Yankees manage to force the Slavs to fight each other? Muslims are also affected. Kill each other in Syria, Iraq, etc. For what? For the sake of the dollar and the star-striped plague !!
              1. +1
                11 November 2014 02: 02
                Quote: Renat
                I refuse to understand how so? A bunch of zombie idiots from birth were able to conquer a whole country like Ukraine. I understand that the black master is in control of everything, but all the same it is impossible to sink to such a degree of meanness as your own history of tradition and the culture of obk @ kat. You don’t have what, but still the people, the nation ....

                The fact of the matter is that no Ukrainians are a nation.
                Ukrainians are several (even more than one) of the parts of the Russian nation disoriented by foreign propaganda interspersed with ethno-mutants - mankurts who do not remember kinship.
  4. +11
    10 November 2014 14: 22
    If you change, then immediately into English, at the same time as the adoption of the American constitution and the declaration of the main US state ...
    1. +4
      10 November 2014 16: 07
      Quote: IAlex
      If you change, then immediately into English, at the same time as the adoption of the American constitution and the declaration of the main US state ...

      Sukashvili attempted to combine non-conjugate English with the Georgian alphabet. Now he is chewing on a tie on mattress territory. laughing
    2. +4
      10 November 2014 17: 18
      Quote: IAlex
      If you change, then immediately into English, at the same time as the adoption of the American constitution and the declaration of the main US state ...
      Congress will not unanimously accept. Even bullshit will be against, and even more so Republicans.
      Republicans understand why, and crap - because they prefer immigrants - Latinos, blacks oh, sorry, African Americans, and in general anyone just not white, because color (don’t laugh - there is an official politically correct wording - people of color) is a potentially shitty electorate. And even mugging with shoe polish won't help banderlogs. Well, only if all polls turn blue - it's also color.
      1. 0
        11 November 2014 10: 54
        You did not catch sarcasm. Dill does not ask anyone nor when, she just does what she wants without even thinking, but the fact that she doesn’t care much for everyone as if she doesn’t notice ...
    3. 0
      11 November 2014 02: 05
      Quote: IAlex
      If you change, then immediately into English, at the same time as the adoption of the American constitution and the declaration of the main US state ...

      Here the Americans will be delighted with such a "gift" ... belay
      They have all the ratings so jump ... recourse
  5. +3
    10 November 2014 14: 24
    News from the ukronazi madhouse every day more enchanting in perversions!
  6. +15
    10 November 2014 14: 24
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/142/ripn343.jpg

    And even if they switch to petroglyphs! Soon they will put a cross instead of a signature!
  7. +6
    10 November 2014 14: 25
    Cyril and Methodius were printed in the Cyrillic alphabet in Lviv, the paths of ukroin are strange, God help them
    1. +1
      10 November 2014 18: 26
      That's just the point that it will not help and will not even help. (((
  8. +6
    10 November 2014 14: 25
    Poor Ukraine cannot be torn between smart and beautiful !!!
  9. +7
    10 November 2014 14: 28
    The "Galicia intelligentsia" of Ukraine would cross the Polish border and go to ...
    1. +3
      10 November 2014 14: 34
      Quote: fzr1000
      and would go on ...

      to the West?)))) This is called today ...?)))
      1. +1
        10 November 2014 14: 52
        Tuda-tudy, stir it up, intelligentsia ...
  10. +7
    10 November 2014 14: 29
    Well, these "Zapadentsev", in general, the roof went? fool
    Damn, they want the Latin alphabet, so let them roll away from the rest of Ukraine in the form of one Lviv region and write at least in the font of the Papuans from New Guinea or in the font of the Tumba-Yumba tribe from Ostap Bender. And they can reduce their vocabulary to the level of Ellochka the Ogre ... am
    1. 102030dvs
      +6
      10 November 2014 14: 40
      Faster they would have created their autonomy and separated from Ukraine. Let them go to Europe, to Poland, where they will be accepted and will be accepted as.
      1. 0
        11 November 2014 02: 15
        Quote: 102030dvs
        Faster they would have created their autonomy and separated from Ukraine. Let them go to Europe, to Poland, where they will be accepted and will be accepted as.

        No, they won't. Why would they need another poor country? They won't get out of their way with Greece, but there are also all sorts of pro-American rogues - "young Europeans". They will, like Turkey, always keep the EU in the waiting room, and feed them with promises.
    2. 0
      11 November 2014 02: 11
      Quote: TampaRU
      Well, these "Zapadentsev", in general, the roof went? fool
      ... and can reduce their vocabulary to the level of Ellochka the Ogre ... am

      And they have it in their surzhik, and everything else is forcibly mutilated Russian.
  11. +10
    10 November 2014 14: 30
    In the west of Ukraine, where did the worms crawl? Scary to imagine!
  12. +25
    10 November 2014 14: 30
    And I also switched to the Latin alphabet .....
    1. +12
      10 November 2014 14: 48
      To "dimdimich71"
      Well, if you switched to the Latin alphabet, then write the word "tOuch" correctly. You need to know the language of a potential enemy. How will you sign the White House ?! After all, not everyone understands Russian pindos, so they will have to leave part of the wall art in English.
      1. +7
        10 November 2014 14: 58
        At the White House, if there are notes in Russian, then certainly the Americans will not read them ... there will be nobody to read.
      2. +7
        10 November 2014 15: 10
        Believe me, if I signed on white, it’s only fundamentally - in Russian, and very culturally and competently laughing
        1. +4
          10 November 2014 15: 17
          I do not doubt that. After all, then your children and grandchildren would be taken on an excursion and said, your father / grandfather signed here / there was. ))) It would be embarrassing for them in front of classmates if you would make at least one mistake in a three-letter word denoting the President of the United States.
        2. 0
          11 November 2014 02: 18
          Quote: dimdimich71
          Believe me, if I signed on white, it’s only fundamentally - in Russian, and very culturally and competently laughing

          That's right, let them learn Cyrillic and Russian!
    2. +2
      10 November 2014 18: 15
      Quote: dimdimich71
      And I also switched to the Latin alphabet ..
      Of course, this is a masterpiece of its kind, only the word * nasty * needs to be replaced with the more courageous * smelly * or * goat *, nasty is from the vocabulary of homosexuals, well, tuch-touch can be fixed, although everything is clear. .
  13. +5
    10 November 2014 14: 32
    Ukraine is not pulled forward, but back to the Middle Ages, where it already stands with one foot.
    1. 0
      11 November 2014 02: 21
      Quote: askort154
      Ukraine is not pulled forward, but back to the Middle Ages, where it already stands with one foot.

      The Middle Ages did not suit them, they want even deeper, to the mythical pagans - the great-ukram.
  14. +5
    10 November 2014 14: 34
    I AM FOR! To each ragul alphabetically!
    1. +1
      10 November 2014 15: 15
      I agree, just let's not let children and women alphabetically? laughing
  15. +5
    10 November 2014 14: 35
    Completely "svdom" demolishes the roof! Change the alphabet, it's not your dirty panties to change!
  16. +6
    10 November 2014 14: 35
    If you put a tailcoat on a pig, then it will not become a gentleman. wassat
  17. +6
    10 November 2014 14: 36
    Completely hooded necks in Panama are bored.
    1. 0
      10 November 2014 16: 21
      Quote: Zcar123
      Completely hooded necks in Panama are bored.

      And what are they trifling? They would have changed the name of cities, streets. Vulitsa, not in European, sort of like a stable. For example, Zhytomyr-Zhidomir in honor of Beni, Lviv-Martyshkinburg. laughing
  18. +1
    10 November 2014 14: 39
    Well done, it will be easier to distinguish your own from strangers. Very simple identification.
  19. +1
    10 November 2014 14: 40
    Everything is logical - since Ukraine is "Ukraine", then the Latin alphabet is quite appropriate. A dead state based on a suicidal ideology. Since the Galicians are "not brothers" to us - let them roll into their LYUBIMUYU EUROPE
  20. +1
    10 November 2014 14: 40
    Quote: 341712
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: 341712
    Not a gram of self-esteem ....
    Everything is normal, they are already dumb, and now the last brains will dry out.


    The conclusion is shorter: we get a monkey near us ... Mother ... a circus with horses ...

    They have decent teachers lol , everyone barks at Russia, gets, whines, licks their wounds and ... bark again fool ! There is no memory, so ukrov erases the remnants of memory Yes ! Well, let them continue to bark along with the pshek on the leash of the Saxon on a leash, add in their flock, AND US soldier !!! Before Lviv, return the territory to Russia and drive to Bender in the Carpathians! good
    1. 0
      10 November 2014 14: 42
      Quote: kot28.ru
      To Lviv, return the territory to Russia and drive to Bendery in the Carpathians! good


      It will be right ... Bandera ... but otherwise, right ... hi
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    3. 0
      10 November 2014 16: 24
      Quote: kot28.ru
      Quote: 341712
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: 341712
      Not a gram of self-esteem ....
      Everything is normal, they are already dumb, and now the last brains will dry out.


      The conclusion is shorter: we get a monkey near us ... Mother ... a circus with horses ...

      They have decent teachers lol , everyone barks at Russia, gets, whines, licks their wounds and ... bark again fool ! There is no memory, so ukrov erases the remnants of memory Yes ! Well, let them continue to bark along with the pshek on the leash of the Saxon on a leash, add in their flock, AND US soldier !!! Before Lviv, return the territory to Russia and drive to Bender in the Carpathians! good

      Banderlog on a reservation in Nevada at a former nuclear test site. laughing
  21. trahterist
    +4
    10 November 2014 14: 44
    ... "... Because already from the cradle, not yet realizing what these squiggles mean, the child will get used to the Latin alphabet. It will pay off when the time comes to learn a foreign language: the little Ukrainian will no longer have withdrawal from the font."
    Mooooh, insanity grows stronger ... It’s wild to read, it’s just how stupid children should be considered initially ... My father’s language is also in Latin (Latin), and yet it didn’t stop me from indulging in Russian and English from an early age. Learn German at an older age. Although in the family we speak Russian, mostly richer than other languages ​​in the vocabulary
  22. +3
    10 November 2014 14: 44
    Quote: vrach
    If so let them give up Kiev, why should they.

    Yes, yes, yes, and Kiev, and Odessa, and Kharkov, and Dnepropetrovsk ... and just us! And we put them on the Euro-trains, And in Parisik, and in Berlinchik, ... they are there "adored and loved, and very, very much awaited."
  23. Fin
    +2
    10 November 2014 14: 44
    Western Ukraine is “for centuries the people of Europe. This is what makes him different from Russians and Little Russians (Naddnipryansky Ukrainians - ed.), Who, in fact, are Russian people. ”

    Well, that's it. And now tries from the beach, and the rest after intensive treatment in New Russia.
  24. +1
    10 November 2014 14: 45
    "Rare dol ..."
  25. +18
    10 November 2014 14: 47
    Az Buki Veda Verb Good Natural Live Earth Earth And Like Some People Think Our Ones Rtsi Word Firmly Uk Färt Her Tsy Cherve Shta St Yus Yati.

    In a modern translation, it sounds like this:

    Option One
    :


    I know the letters: writing is a treasure. Work hard
    Earthlings, as befits intelligent people - comprehend the universe!
    Carry the word with conviction: knowledge is a gift of God!
    Dare, delve into the light of Jehovah!

    Another option:
    Az Buki Vedi - I know God. Az is the basis, the beginning, I. I - my world begins with me. And now I am the last letter of the alphabet. The basis of everything is the knowledge of God and their ancestors, that is, their parents, their roots.
    Verb Welcome - say do good. Remember in Pushkin: "With the verb burn the hearts of people." A verb is both a word and a deed at the same time. I say - then do it. And I do good.

    Good is Life - only good creates life.

    You live the earth. - live the earth, she is our nurse.

    And how people think - he is our peace. Those. as you people think, so is your world.

    Rtsi word is firm. Speak the word firmly. Said - done.

    I Know God.

    I speak and do good.

    Good is Life.

    Live the Earth, she is our nurse.

    And How do We Think People is Our World.
    1. +6
      10 November 2014 14: 52
      Class! You just respect! As a naval man, the Cyrillic is very dear to me! Az, Buki, Vedi, Verb ................................
      1. +3
        10 November 2014 15: 07
        Allow me to join your company with the same kind words about what was said.
    2. +1
      10 November 2014 18: 28
      That's where the root is!
      What a handful of villagers (someone wrote above) who subjugated Ukraine, and what kind of nah ... the shabby Polish intelligentsia in general can be talked about !!! Nonsense to the nth degree !!!! This is a mass demolition of the consciousness of an entire ethnic group, hidden under the guise of a certain Europeanization. Changing the alphabet is a thing several orders of magnitude more powerful than propaganda of all the media of the same Ukraine combined. What kind of intelligentsia ???? Such tricks crank unknown to us the structure of the Western backstage. Now, the turn has come to change the consciousness of Ukrainians, just as, much earlier, the consciousness was reformatted, for example, Germans and Swedes. The roots of our alphabet go back to the ancient Slavic initial, which consisted of 49 letters, each of which has its own figurative meaning, a whole gamut of concepts. Boduchi are arranged in seven rows and seven columns are a figurative-semantic matrix. The message from our distant ancestors to descendants is encrypted in it, it is an instruction, a guide on how to live.
      Fortunately for you, Vladimir, that touched on the topic. It is a pity the format is narrow, it is difficult to discuss. The interpretations given by you are not even the tip of the iceberg, but only one crystal.
  26. HAM
    +17
    10 November 2014 14: 52
    here is the answer, sorry - in the cyrillic!
  27. +2
    10 November 2014 14: 53
    the more I get information about ukroin the stronger my belief is that they needed to put a log on the coat of arms or, at best, pinocchio fool wooden completely and stick their nose!
  28. 0
    10 November 2014 14: 58
    Yes, even if they switch to Amharic. laughing
    1. 0
      10 November 2014 18: 35
      hieroglyphs are more suitable for the Gul dialect.
  29. 3vs
    +2
    10 November 2014 14: 58
    "As you know, the truth is often spoken through the lips of children. Recently, my daughter asked me an amazing question:" Mom, why would a mobile phone operator oversee SMS messages with Ukrainian language, ale Latin letters? "
    Indeed, why? "

    Therefore:
    At the moment, the length of one SMS message is limited to 70 characters in Cyrillic, while a message in Latin can be more than two times longer - 160 characters. Thus, consumers are forced to overpay for SMS dialed in Cyrillic characters.
    At the same time, different encodings are used for different languages: English alphabet - 7-bit encoding; French, German alphabets - 8-mibit coding; other languages, including Russian, are 16-bit.
    On sms zapadentsy decided to save! fellow
    1. 3vs
      +2
      10 November 2014 15: 23
      SMS technology works according to international specifications, according to which the message length is limited to 140 bytes.
      From here, the maximum message length in different alphabets is easily calculated: 160 characters for the Latin alphabet, 140 characters for the German and French alphabet, and 70 characters for other languages.
  30. +8
    10 November 2014 14: 59
    As long as it is rebuilt in Latin letters, Europe will already write in Arabic, redo again to be closer to it!
  31. +1
    10 November 2014 14: 59
    Photo in the article in which (shutter) stereo glasses to watch, or is it from the series find 10 differences of one non-traditional? )))
    1. 3vs
      +1
      10 November 2014 15: 17
      So I thought about 3D, it’s not otherwise taken from a stereo movie. laughing
      1. 0
        10 November 2014 15: 24
        And the German XXX ...)))
  32. Starmos
    +2
    10 November 2014 15: 03
    Well, yes, I read it ... Apart from the "historical" excursions and, which has already become traditional, the obsession and defamation of the "Bolshevik" past, the article unequivocally points to the historical anti-Russian hysteria of individuals, I repeat - of individual Galician "figures". As for Lenin and Lunacharsky, the author would have restrained the "zealous" - they were really highly educated people who genuinely love Russian culture (read Lenin, this is interesting). Yes, unfortunately, in the ranks of the party, as always - during the change of eras and great upheavals, a lot of "foam" of various kinds - from outright enemies to frank, sincere morons - was acquired. But in general, the article smacks of "Karasevshchina" - it’s a familiar smell ...
  33. or
    0
    10 November 2014 15: 07
    These fascizoids already have Galicia or Hallucination, in a word Glitches against the background of Russophobia.
    Microbe sees himself as a monster - omnipotent.
  34. +1
    10 November 2014 15: 07
    For this, the Bolsheviks hastened to reform the Russian alphabet so that we would forget our roots. And they began to create the New Man. Philologists are well aware of what meanings were lost after the reprint of the works of our classics in the new alphabet.
    1. 0
      10 November 2014 20: 09
      I am not a philologist, but I agree with you.
      Roman L.N. Tolstoy was called "War and Peace", i.e. War and Society.
      After the "i" was removed, everyone began to understand its name as - War and Peacetime, which is absolutely wrong.
      -------------
      There are no hissing sounds in the Latin alphabet, like w, w.
      The less education and, accordingly, the mind, the more "creativity" the newborn "academicians", "doctors" show.
      This is how "New Chronologies" appear, which glorify, parrots with microscopic brains.
      All this we see in Ukraine. Bacchanalia of doubles and second year students, idiots and loonies!
      Die today, and I die tomorrow.
      BACCHANIA OF UNLIMITED PERMITTING!
      I am afraid that soon the virus of idiocy and aggressive stupidity will cause a pandemic in Russia.
      --------------
      I remember how about 10 years ago, in our Duma, under the slogan "We will help a Russian manufacturer" excise tax was imposed on coffee imports!
      True, in which geographical point of our country, coffee grows, it was not said.
      Verily, everything has its limits, even the Mind, but not stupidity!
  35. +1
    10 November 2014 15: 09
    Yes, let’s go over. It will be that drop that will overflow ... Those who are still hesitating, counting on something, FORCED ones will make a choice.
    PS In about ten years, when the standard of living of China is ahead of the level of the West, they will switch to hieroglyphs. Such is the mysterious Galicia.
  36. +1
    10 November 2014 15: 13
    Ah, the intelligentsia is good! He is seriously discussing how to make the native population illiterate at once. EVERYONE will have to start over with the alphabet. An abyss of quite "intelligent" work on the "translation" of previously published books! And spice it all up by continuing to invent new words.
    I began to consider the Ukrainian linguists as complete idiots after they began to push into the literary language instead of such "Russian" words as "karta" (in German by origin) and "airport" (in English by roots) - "mapa" and "letovishche ".
    Returning to the Cyrillic alphabet - this alphabet is best suited to the melody of the Slavic languages. To understand this, just read the Polish or Czech texts - how many bulky letter combinations and specials. characters had to enter!
  37. vit
    0
    10 November 2014 15: 21
    what can I say ... I advise them to enter Arabic numbers, so that she completely dissociates herself from the cursed!
  38. +1
    10 November 2014 15: 28
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/103/rfvc904.jpg
    1. +4
      10 November 2014 18: 06
      A couple of Germans are sitting in a tavern, and a couple of Ukrainians are nearby. Germans are interested in them
      look, then decided to roll up.
      - Guys, are you from Russia?
      “No,” they say, “we are from Ukraine.”
      - And what's that?
      - The country is like that. We have our own coat of arms, anthem, flag ...
      “This is understandable,” the Germans say. - And where is such a country?
      - Do you know Sevastopol? - Ukrainians ask.
      “I know,” one says. - my grandfather fought there. But this is Russia.
      - No, this is Ukraine. We have our own coat of arms, anthem, flag. Okay, how do you still
      explain ... Donbass know?
      - We know. But this is Russia!
      - No, this is Ukraine. We have our own anthem, coat of arms, flag ...
      The Germans see that nothing happens. Thinking:
      - Okay. What is your language? Russian?
      - No, ours, Ukrainian.
      “And what do you think?”
      - Arm.
      - And the leg?
      - Leg.
      - Hmm ... And ass?
      - Fuck.
      - And it was you, because of one fight, who invented a coat of arms, a national anthem, a flag ???
  39. 0
    10 November 2014 15: 30
    As long as there are such projects, money for war will not be enough for kaklov!
  40. Starmos
    +1
    10 November 2014 15: 33
    Quote: Vit
    what can I say ... I advise them to enter Arabic numbers, so that she completely dissociates herself from the cursed!

    I mean Roman?
  41. 0
    10 November 2014 15: 46
    Here, damn it, the separatist intellectuals!
    Already in the first paragraph of the article, the highlighted quotation can be interpreted as a call to divide the country into "European" and the rest (Slavic?) Parts. The authorities should take care of these smart guys. ))
  42. +1
    10 November 2014 15: 47
    History was remade, foreign literature and history were banned in schools ... now they decided to tear the people away from their roots altogether. "Ivanko" not remembering kinship ... the same Janissary
  43. Old Cynic
    +3
    10 November 2014 15: 49
    Something similar already took place in the late 90s. Then the doctors of Ukraine were obliged to write medical histories and prescriptions "on movi". It all ended with the fact that one of the bonzes pinned to Euevropu and he felt bad there, to put it mildly. European healers did not understand MOV ... So it died ... Samostiine te ...
    After that, "the highest" was again allowed to write "Latin language" in prescriptions for medicines ...
  44. +1
    10 November 2014 15: 56
    ) would be quickly translated, so that the Ukrainians do not have anything in common. Yes, and even let all Ukrainians draw a trident-tamga on their forehead !!! -cattle!!!
  45. 0
    10 November 2014 16: 09
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    As long as there are such projects, money for war will not be enough for kaklov!

    No. Thoughts have already been redone, and the alphabet is a very high-quality investment in children. Some 15-20 years and there will be no return to Orthodoxy.
  46. 0
    10 November 2014 16: 16
    I mean the intelligentsia, what is pictured in a cap from a soldier’s cloth from Versachi?
  47. 0
    10 November 2014 16: 17
    And why the Latin alphabet, you can cut on the boards, but no, the tree will be in short supply - stove stoves need to be drowned. Well, then the cuneiform on clay tablets, probably soon Ukrainian scientists will give "to the mountain" new historical facts about the connection between the Sumerians and the Proto-Ukrs, who taught the Sumerians to read and write. There was also a nodular letter.
  48. +2
    10 November 2014 16: 37
    “Kyu - an acceptable curse in society, ku - all other words”


    It will be even easier.
  49. 0
    10 November 2014 16: 39
    Quite already the SHOWNS OF THE GLOBAL SHOWERS (attempt to write in Ukrainian). They were completely lost both in history and self-esteem. I would like to read Tov.Shevchenko’s zapovit in Latin. There will be one more comedy.
  50. 0
    10 November 2014 16: 47
    The Pale of Settlement has become completely insolent.
  51. 0
    10 November 2014 16: 48
    Yes, even if they switch to the Arabic alphabet, color does not affect speed! bully
  52. +1
    10 November 2014 16: 52
    Uzbekistan: four alphabets in eighty years
    If somewhere in Uzbekistan you come across a sign “S_e_x”, do not be surprised: it has nothing to do with the process of intimate intercourse. This is how the familiar word “Workshop” began to look like in the light of the reformed spelling. Accordingly, the circus was transformed into sirk, the motorcycle into mototsikl, the cement into tsement (also spelled “sement”), the tank into sisterna, the compass into sirkul, the cellophane into tsellofan (also spelled “sellofan”), the cylinder into silindr ( also spelled “tsilindr”), citrus in sitrus, and cellulose in sellyuloza. In turn, schoolchildren have to further explain that Nexia is not Nekhia, xerox is not heroh, fax is not fah, and mixer is not miher.
    http://vybory.org/articles/702.html
  53. 0
    10 November 2014 16: 57
    But what about the “great Russian non-literary”? The expressions will be more like “formulas” than “words”... laughing
    P.S. "Pitiful insignificant individuals" (C)...
  54. 0
    10 November 2014 17: 06
    The Galician intelligentsia sounds as wild as the SS pacifists... Here is one of them... creatures... they should burn in hell...
  55. Quantum
    0
    10 November 2014 17: 15
    Quote: aleks 62
    It seems to me to swear, they will still be in Russian. laughing

    ...... It seems to me that in Yiddish or Hebrew .... As a result of recent studies on the genome of the so-called very interesting things were found out by the Western Ukrainians ..... It turned out (I don’t remember the percentage, but still) that the genome of the broad consists of 20% of the Gali genes, 60% of the Jewish genes and 20% of the Turkic genes ....

    Clarification: 20% Celtic. In addition, the intolerance and aggressiveness of this
    conglomerate is explained by the predominance of Jewish blood, descendants of the Maccabean revolt during the Roman Empire, who fled to the east from
    Roman punitive expeditions in Judea. Roman historians, and Jewish ones
    sources mentioned the Maccabees as extremely intractable rebels,
    led to the destruction of a significant part of the Jewish people. This explains the peculiarity of the Galician people. The Austrians more than once tried
    get rid of this people and their lands. Bismarck spoke very unflatteringly about the Galicians. Galicia is an ulcer on its body for Ukraine. This people with their ambitions needs to live independently, far from Ukraine and Poland.
  56. 0
    10 November 2014 17: 23
    That's where the trash go!
  57. 0
    10 November 2014 17: 25
    "among Galician intellectuals who actively advocated for the independence of Galicia"
    Damn, if they separated, there would be no “Maidan”, and no problems with the eastern regions of Ukraine... it’s a pity that history does not know the subjunctive mood...
  58. 0
    10 November 2014 17: 38
    Why do they need writing at all? Orders from the owner can be perceived by ear.
  59. 0
    10 November 2014 17: 54
    This is because Cyril and Methodius were masked according to the ukruchebnik!
    1. 0
      10 November 2014 21: 22
      Quote: Yoon Klob
      Cyril and Methodius were masked according to the ukruchebnik!

      wrong.
      Their role is highly valued by Ukrainian textbooks, and since Kyiv disputes the heritage of history with Moscow, these figures completely strengthen Kyiv’s position.
      Let me remind you that according to the main thesis, culture and statehood come from the banks of the Dnieper.
      Whoever owns Kyiv belongs to the historical homeland of the Eastern Slavs. And the first statehood and the source of culture.
      Kyiv and Moscow are fighting for this thesis. It makes sense for Kyiv to suddenly refuse.
      1. 0
        10 November 2014 22: 54
        Quote: Cristall
        Whoever owns Kyiv belongs to the historical homeland of the Eastern Slavs. And the first statehood and the source of culture.


        Only you forgot that Kyiv is a city of Rus', not Ukraine, and you can rightfully consider all this pro-Western mold to be invaders, deliberately destroying and distorting everything that is originally Russian. Well, of course, why feel sorry for something that is alien, especially for brainless sadomites. It’s hard to call them anything else.
  60. 0
    10 November 2014 18: 06
    Who would doubt it? Ivan does not remember the relationship.
  61. +1
    10 November 2014 18: 28
    The Russian language is the highest mathematics of literature and writing. Even the system of hieroglyphs is not capable of describing the events of the world and human perception of it as deeply and diversely as the GREAT RUSSIAN language is allowed to do. This is not due to personal sympathy or antipathy towards him or any subjective assessments. Russian is the most effective language to use. Whoever does not understand this condemns himself to ignorance and a secondary status in universal human development and civilization.
    1. 0
      10 November 2014 21: 23
      Quote: gridasov
      Russian is the most effective language to use. Whoever does not understand this condemns himself to ignorance and a secondary status in universal human development and civilization.

      Russian is simpler and more technologically advanced than Ukrainian. But Ukrainian is clearly closer to Slavic roots. Yes, and more beautiful. Russian is tougher.
      However, you need to be able to speak both languages.
      1. 0
        10 November 2014 21: 41
        I agree. An example of greater proximity to our certain common proto-language is the names of the months in modern Ukrainian, which are very figurative and beautiful.
      2. +1
        10 November 2014 22: 58
        Quote: Cristall
        Russian is simpler and more technologically advanced than Ukrainian. But Ukrainian is clearly closer to Slavic roots


        Ukrainian is a cross between Russian and Polish, Russian and Moldavian, Russian and Hungarian, Russian and Romanian, as you can see, Russian is the root. wink
  62. 0
    10 November 2014 18: 59
    Stsuka... Dabloyoby... It almost turned out to be Latin, but it looks more like surzhik. But it reflects an opinion about the ongoing linguistic changes in Urkaine.
  63. +1
    10 November 2014 19: 20
    Language is prohibited. Burning books.

    “If books are burned in a country, people will soon be burned” (c). - already passed.

    Why do we need such neighbors?
  64. wow
    0
    10 November 2014 19: 22
    "...the little Ukrainian will no longer have problems with the font." By the time described, there will no longer be any “little Ukrainian”, either morons who do not need to read and write, or those who have been cured...
  65. 0
    10 November 2014 20: 12
    I.V. made a great mistake. Stalin, when he annexed this infection Galicia to Ukraine. No wonder they said that Galicia would poison the whole of Ukraine. Translate this funny language into Latin, but what about the great works of N.V. Gogol and the prose of T.G. Shevchenko, who wrote their prose exclusively in Russian.
  66. 0
    10 November 2014 20: 57
    Yes, at least for hieroglyphs, damn it!
  67. 0
    10 November 2014 21: 03
    I don’t care what they say in Dziga. They also write God knows what on the fence.
    You can't get Ukrainian into Latin. At all. Because its flavor, sound, etc. will be lost.
    What kind of enemy does Ukraine have to be in order to use the Latin alphabet?
    So it's all lies. OBS.
    1. 0
      10 November 2014 21: 13
      Well, I don’t know, I don’t know, some former republics of the USSR switched to the Latin alphabet.
      What can we say if Tatarstan, which is part of Russia, switched to the Latin alphabet, but then the center was forced to cancel it. And you are telling lies...
      1. 0
        April 21 2015 16: 09
        Tatarstan, by its desire to use the Latin alphabet, made it clear about the separatist mood of the republic. This cannot be allowed.
  68. 0
    10 November 2014 21: 11
    So, the Galician ctiligence and their tilictuals are preparing to switch to hieroglyphs? Or did I understand something wrong?
  69. +1
    10 November 2014 21: 27
    Let Ukraine not cross. This will completely refute the status of the Ukrainian language. It will distort its roots and destroy its main advantages - melody and sound.
    Even blind Westerners will not agree to this, and even more so central and southern Ukrainians.
    Considering the cultural war over heritage, it also makes no sense.
    Any complication of Ukrainian will lead to additional trump cards for Russian.
    So, the introduction of the Lvov dialect instead of the Poltava dialect complicated things. This second letter G.. which is in a few words and almost indistinguishable from the main one..
    In general, it is unprofitable even for the most zealous crazy nationalists.
    Imagine what the sound of such a language would look like in Latin

    While I was writing, they already slapped a minus...they work quickly....
    1. +2
      10 November 2014 23: 07
      Quote: Cristall
      Let Ukraine not cross. This will completely refute the status of the Ukrainian language. It will distort its roots and destroy its main advantages - melody and sound.


      Lord, Cristall, don't be so naive. You have not yet understood that the Turchinovs and egg sniffers came to destroy you, and the destruction of a people begins with the destruction of its history and language, so to speak, the foundations of the people.
    2. 0
      11 November 2014 00: 06
      Naive you ...
  70. 0
    10 November 2014 22: 21
    Well, this is actually normal, there are no translators from Ukrainian anyway, but now who knows what they are babbling on in their ancient dill. The main thing would be to prohibit them from switching to Russian when people from outside tell them we don’t understand you for nothing.
  71. +1
    10 November 2014 22: 25
    Well, in general, everything is correct. Until the 10th century, Galicians were subjects of the Poles. After a successful war for Rus' with Poland, Galicia, under the name of Chervonnaya Rus, came under the rule of Kyiv. But to be honest, the Poles were there before the Russians. The old genetic memory is still making its way through. The Poles are Catholics, and the Galician Uniates are directly subordinate to Rome. Now there is talk about the Latin alphabet.
  72. +1
    10 November 2014 23: 36
    Let them teach Polish, Hungarian and Romanian better. Galicia will soon need this.
    Otherwise, how can the new owners wash their underpants without knowing languages?
  73. 0
    11 November 2014 00: 35
    Soon they will wipe their fingers with their fingers just so as not to “look like Muscovites.” Keep it up!
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  75. 0
    11 November 2014 08: 30
    Yes, let these clowns at least switch to hieroglyphs. It’s just a shame for Ukraine that almost all Ukrainians are pushed around by Galician Uniate scum. The Zaporozhye Cossacks were probably spinning in their graves. They hated this public (the Uniates) fiercely.
  76. 0
    April 21 2015 15: 59
    In almost all former republics of the USSR until 1991 (with the exception of the Baltic republics), writing was based on the Cyrillic alphabet. After the betrayal (the deliberate collapse of the USSR), the republics suddenly felt their irresistible involvement in the “civilized world,” one of the criteria of which was the denial of everything Russian. Such was the historical moment that in order to stay economically (read: receive material rewards from the IMF), the rulers of the newly formed countries were given the condition to tear away everything Russian. Which was done with the connivance of Russia. So Russia remains (or will soon remain) the only outpost supporting Russian national literacy and the Cyrillic alphabet. Bulgaria and Serbia can also be considered for now among the countries that use the Cyrillic alphabet, but judging by our policy of insufficient support for the Slavic peoples, this, to put it mildly, will not last long.
  77. +2
    15 July 2017 14: 14
    I read for a long time, but in the end I was left with one question: What is the Galician intelligentsia? These are the farmers who learned to put on galoshes and saw a steam locomotive? Or what is this even?
    As for the topic of translation into Latin, there is nothing to discuss here. It is enough to remember what happened and is happening in the vastness of the former USSR. This topic is running around all the former republics like a runny nose, and even in Russia at one time they tried to raise it. And the saddest thing is that it will not die out as long as the Russophobic gayropa exists. And she has been smoking the sky for centuries
    1. 0
      15 July 2017 17: 13
      the farmers had the Lvov Statute and in Russia they flayed the skin of serfs)) and isho I eat in it
  78. 0
    15 July 2017 17: 12
    Quote: vrach
    And do not care historical roots. To hell with Cyril and Methodius. They don’t need their story, they don’t need their country.
    If so let them give up Kiev, why should they.

    What roots? they are not Ukrainians, they are Austro-Hungarians, just the Latin alphabet is their native alphabet Transcarpathia Lemkos Boyko Rusyns I don’t take
  79. 0
    30 May 2020 10: 36
    What, in police Have you also learned to think?