VKPO. Reviews

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VKBO [old name of the kit. - approx.twower] was expected, or rather, that only staffed moths covered with paper dust were about to start issuing it. At that time, our division had some experience with membrane tissues, shoes, and other advanced synthetics. The people are motley, with their habits, preferences and prejudices. At that time, the subdivision used all sorts of slides from different manufacturers, HELIKON products, contract amerskom gear for unreasonable money, and of course the calling card of special forces and reconnaissance - Guerrilla suit from MTR.
And now, finally, the Motherland decided to pamper us with their nishtyak. What was incomprehensible from the very beginning, why are there velcro on combat form ?! This is a real garbage collector for prickles, grass, dirt in the fields. What is the meaning of chevrons on vole? Since 2009, we went without them and nothing. There is a formal and casual dress.

VKPO. Reviews


Again, epaulets on their shoulders. I will not articulate a personal relationship to either the old minister or the new, but the shoulder straps on his shoulders should be on full dress and everyday form, where they belong. The one who asked to return them on the shoulders obviously had not worn body armor, gas masks and commander bags for a long time. They do not need it on the combat form. It would be better to pocket on the lower legs under the individual dressing bag returned.

Well, okay, as it is, the main thing is that they finally give out a track! But here, bummer. Who told the guys with BTKgrupp that the size of the troops begin with 54? !!! [The author of the review was not aware that this Ministry of Defense ordered a large-sized form. - approx. twower] Really, with the 48-50, the most popular. I must say that this problem has been constant since 2009. Looking ahead, I will say that the people have enriched all the ateliers in the city, trying not to look like abortions. And at the beginning, suturing was strictly forbidden, then it was carried out almost by order.

Now let's go through the elements.
Summer suit + summer cap.



It was supposed to be an analogue of the bourgeois ACU, and eventually turned into a kind of symbiosis of household and everyday-ceremonial elements of clothing. It is worn wherever necessary and unnecessary, if you look at the tables on the toe, it is worn from + 15 and higher, and in real life everywhere, because in a headquarters or office a demi-season suit is not needed. In general, not bad, the space for soft inserts on the knees and elbows, the slings on the waist and the bottom of the leg, the successful fit of the sleeves, lightning - everything is as if in a theme. But a bunch of stickies to anything. Pockets on the chest would have left similar to the original, for their purpose would be to quickly get an IPP, a battery for a night light, or something else, to do this without removing the body armor, and not to wear another chest record book of firing or radiation doses. Field cap - it is also a “cap”, suitable; the visor is successfully chosen in size.
Of the minuses - you have to stitch in the old fashioned way. Command requires.

Windbreaker



Normal stuff. An alternative to a winter field jacket with no lining, which looks like a bag on fighters. There is no hood that is relevant for our type of troops. People prefer to wear over thermal underwear or fleece jackets. It is more comfortable.

Thermal underwear.



No complaints if your size. The second layer is different from the prototype for the better, since the zipper is closed, with the American one, over time, there is a rubbing around the Adam's apple.

Windproof suit.



The full assessment did not work, again because of the size. I got the smallest of what was: 54-56, with my 48-5. Wore a jacket, the stated characteristics match, places that are prone to abrasion, are protected well.

Fleece jacket.



Great thing. I have a similar product - Anapurna from the Survival Corps, authorized better, nicer and more comfortable, if you want. The throat is protected from rubbing as in the second layer.

The suit is demi-season.



Everyone likes great software. Conveniently tailored, moderately rain-proof, protected from dew, high grass and spines. Probably the most necessary element of the whole complex. There are no claims, except for the abundance of Velcro. In fact, the analogue of "Slides", but better. On durability: once they dragged 15 meters on arable land, neither gusts nor signs of abrasion. He got up, shook himself - handsome in the ranks, strong in bed as before.

Warmed vest.



Stuck good, no questions asked.

Cap mask



It is not clear why, with all this abundance of modern synthetics, it was necessary to make a thing of wool, from which you begin to itch after the third hour of socks. After the "Polite" season, no one dresses once again.

Warm suit.



Below -35 was not yet, in general, quite good, with the right combination with other layers it justifies itself.
Limited in mechanical strength, if you are going to crawl, it is better to wear a maskhalat on top.
[Answering the question of mechanical strength problems]: One of my colleagues burst a cross seam on the back.

Insulated cap.



Many are shocked by this novelty, for me it is so normal, the main thing is the properties, not the external form. The whole service was a mystery to me, why in -30 I have open ears, as was the case with the old hat. The new one is mainly worn in a ski way, because in a different way its appearance does not stand up to criticism.

Scarf.



It is impossible to say that a necessary thing, but not superfluous.

Gloves.



Also, as economic with pimples, consider disposable. Did not survive one piece of firewood.

Mittens.



Mittens are good, sort of, but sorry, the shore.

About shoes. At the moment, only winter boots are here.



Prior to this were similar from Faraday. Faraday is better, firstly, it is easier for a good half a kilo, and secondly, it is less cumbersome. BTKshnye felt like boots for the convenience of socks. And those, and others on moisture resistance and preservation of a thermal mode are quite worthy, not worse than the same Srispi.
[Answering my question about the rumors that the soles of shoes are badly taped and fall off]: While everyone is alive, there are no problems.

Modes socks.
It is worn by VKPO, then the old “figure” in the time ratio of 50 / 50 socks (from VKPO, summer and warmer suits are most commonly used). In the summer of VKPO almost nothing is worn. In the fields, for fear of damaging the kit, try to use the old form.
*****

Now let's talk about insanity. Until now, there is no order on how to wear WCPO, there is only the manufacturer's instructions. The commanders of the compounds on this instruction do not care, do not order the same. Therefore, for the sake of the principle “ugly but uniformly”, military personnel are obliged to wear the layers of the ICPD not according to the instructions, but in the way that the high authorities are comfortable with. What with the fact that at a temperature of, for example, 0 degrees, you must wear a demi-season suit and lower layers? Kombrig decides that the subordinates should have a summer suit and a suit that is warmed, because such a procedure was established during the time of the grandmother, “the sin of changing traditions”.

The incorrect wearing of VKPO can lead to yet another mass disease of personnel and new articles in the press, that the army was again dressed in what the hell. Dear Ministry of Defense, maybe it's time to stop stepping on a rake?
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  1. +6
    8 November 2014 07: 32
    the only question is to the author, how does the clothing endure the effects of high temperature, well, like the proximity of a bonfire, does not melt?
    1. +1
      1 December 2014 00: 59
      then on the American coretex membrane, how to understand this? nakoy feed the enemy ??
      I don’t know about the other membranes, I haven’t seen them, but I think that they are also imported.
      to steal and build factories for the production of materials, otherwise import substitution is only in words
  2. MGD
    +4
    8 November 2014 08: 24
    Not to the author of the article ... And the worse the so-called. "sailor's scarf"? Even without a balaclava, it can be deployed under a hat, adjusting as the face overheats / freezes ... And the finger from the hand was lost wink
  3. MGD
    +1
    8 November 2014 08: 42
    Not a topic, but for the winter there was a good set of DPS from a semi-suit and a jacket. The semi-kombez covered the back completely and the chest to the level of the pockets, it is clear that the straps were already not sliding ... At the level of the belt, it was tightened with an ordinary belt on which an ordinary shmurdyak was hung ... Under the bottom, even at -45, there was enough pants and a regular cotton T-shirt .. Of the shortcomings, it rustles and "Velcro" ... Without a semi-suit, the jacket is normally worn for almost 3 seasons ... In the photo, I am in a "sailor scarf" and statutory shit like "Arctic" wink it would be possible to develop a similar thing for the army and not turn around with "cabbage" ...
    1. 0
      8 November 2014 11: 53
      Do you run in this parachute? With bronik so with a helmet with a bk with a clapperboard behind? BUT?!
      1. 0
        8 November 2014 12: 54
        Are you sure that the war exclusively runs in the war?
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          1. +16
            8 November 2014 15: 28
            That is, you do not know ... I bring to your attention: if you try to sit your shift in the winter in the trench in what is convenient to run in, you will die in half an hour. And the enemy will not be to blame for this.
            1. +7
              8 November 2014 16: 09
              What are you))) laughing Without thick felt boots and a sheepskin coat, it is unlikely that it will last 20 minutes, and then if it is periodically pressed out and squats.
              1. jjj
                +4
                8 November 2014 18: 44
                It is not a short fur coat, but a sheepskin coat with floors from the ground and a collar raised above the cap
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  4. +18
    8 November 2014 09: 16
    Actually, from 48-50 the most popular. I must say that this problem has been constant since 2009
    This problem is as old as the world ... and apparently cannot be solved. It seems that the backs themselves measure ...
    1. jjj
      +3
      8 November 2014 18: 48
      In the son’s unit, everyone bought extra pants. The fact is that the jackets are sitting well, in trousers - the eggs are pinched and the waist does not fit. Apparently sewed per draftees. But the contractors are now serving. They already have completely different figures - not boys, but husbands. So we bought to make it faster
  5. AX
    +5
    8 November 2014 10: 26
    They recently began to issue them ... Separately, the sizes are "covers for tanks" ... The winter hats were called "bunny-cheburashka" ... negative
  6. Chkalov
    -6
    8 November 2014 10: 52
    all the same, the strength of the Russian soldier is not in the correctness of wearing the uniform and not in its variations, but in our view of the world, not like that of all other nations
    1. +2
      8 November 2014 11: 52
      all the same, the strength of the Russian soldier is not in the correctness of wearing the uniform and not in its variations, but in our view of the world, not like that of all other nations

      Are you coming ... from? !!
      1. +1
        10 November 2014 17: 25
        the guy is not. He’s just NOT SUCH
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  7. +1
    8 November 2014 11: 31
    At the expense of the balaclava. When I was still watching the news from Crimea, I thought, damn it itches all over my face, probably, .. Here is a confirmation. Why synthetics could not be made?
    1. +5
      8 November 2014 14: 10
      - It burns, an infection ... and melts ... and "Nomex" is expensive!
      1. +6
        8 November 2014 16: 10
        Sheathe brains on the inside of a regular hb or knitwear is clearly not enough for the manufacturer.
    2. 0
      9 November 2014 00: 13
      At the expense of the balaclava. When I was still watching the news from Crimea, I thought, damn it itches all over my face, probably, .. Here is a confirmation. Why synthetics could not be made?
      Balaclava - Mr. It would be better to rip off the stupid Yankees. For the Marine Corps, they made it from a pleasant material with a sand-colored anti-flammable substance (at least I was fortunate enough to use this), the main chip in the grid in the hair area at the top. Baska breathes and itches less)
  8. +7
    8 November 2014 11: 38
    Binding is our everything. It seems that we will never leave her.
    1. +3
      8 November 2014 14: 13
      - Doors - a matter of hygiene, wash H.B., it is not always possible ...
  9. -15
    8 November 2014 11: 51
    Well, what ... the evils returned shoulder straps right? Return Serdyukov TV ... ri !!!
    1. +4
      8 November 2014 12: 55
      Why is this bothering you so much? Shoulder straps on the field uniform should really not be on the shoulders.
      1. +8
        8 November 2014 13: 28
        epaulettes in the combat zone in general anarchoism .. we did the first Chechen without them and the second identity ... who needs to know me they know ... but there is a need you can introduce yourself according to the charter ..
        1. +3
          8 November 2014 13: 43
          This is not right, insignia should be. It’s just that they should be such as to identify the title only from a short distance. The first and second company were saved by the fact that officers, warrant officers and contract soldiers were dressed differently than ordinary soldiers. And this thing is not right at all.
      2. 0
        8 November 2014 13: 59
        Shoulder straps on the field uniform should really not be on the shoulders.


        Actually, I wrote the same thing.
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  10. +3
    8 November 2014 14: 14
    I look at this magnificence and white envy gnaws, what we are given in the Ministry of Internal Affairs with novia can be called an appearance of abortion.
  11. Karbyshevets
    +12
    8 November 2014 15: 51
    Add my 5 cents. Slant pockets, fed according to IPP I agree. Winter boots, the sole comes off when not properly used (drying shoes) by Elephants (conscripts), at the end of the day they put them on batteries in the dryer, in the fields closer to the potbelly stoves. I agree with the comrades discussing the topic of epaulettes, epaulettes, epaulettes to carry on their shoulders. They came up with the idea that in everyday activities the stripes are colored, and the field option is protective. It was possible to refine the variant of field insignia, distinguishable only from close range.
    1. +1
      15 November 2014 08: 03
      enter the buttonholes, as in the Red Army until 43 years old and the whole conversation.
  12. +1
    8 November 2014 16: 13
    Also tested a new form. However, in winter, I haven’t gotten it yet - they’ve taken it all out of the warehouse) I liked the free cut, it does not constrain movements, it is comfortable to wear. And it looks worthy.
  13. +5
    8 November 2014 16: 14
    Kokarda was made embroidered, if not impossible, and insignia (stars) can be made embroidered. But with stripes, there is a lot of excess, why a chevron of the military branch on the sleeve, if there are buttonholes, stripes with surnames are generally a paragraph of soldiers until a year serves, the order for the tag will come to the end of the service
  14. +7
    8 November 2014 16: 53
    why is there always such idiocy with dimensions?
  15. Rzhevsky
    +10
    8 November 2014 20: 39
    Patches with a surname, are all the same?
    I remembered the joke -
    Hello, do they give salaries here?
    My last name is TOTAL!
    1. +6
      9 November 2014 08: 27
      - No, they pay taxes here. What, say, your last name?
  16. +8
    8 November 2014 22: 58
    Apparently everyone is in trouble with the size. It's just some kind of ass - we also provide all the local ateliers with work. Either the customers think that we have an army of Valuevs, or it comes out more expensive and "between the fingers" more settles. when this monkey imitation of the Pen-Dooms ends. I haven't tried BTK boots yet, but in hand-to-hand combat they can definitely be killed with a blow to the head))) In general, these dressing up pretty much got something new everyday and ceremonial, then office. In my deep conviction, first of all, you need a good functional field for the infantry, flight technical for aviation, etc. Those. the form in which servicemen perform their tasks as intended, and all this office and so on is secondary and generally uneconomical.
  17. +4
    8 November 2014 23: 06
    But it’s interesting how much such a kit will cost and how do they think to store such a lot of things in the field, or in battle? To organize a clothing warehouse at each unit, or should the soldier constantly carry a bag with unclosed kit items on him? There used to be a summer and winter uniform, the difference was only in linen, a headdress and gloves, the overcoat was always with a soldier, and now?
    1. +1
      9 November 2014 08: 22
      In the summer he dragged his greatcoat? Now the logistics will mainly work either in a part of the backpack in an autumn-summer uniform or according to this type, the rest will be done by logistics, which, if something happens, in a month 3 will be able to deliver the necessary equipment to the front line.
      1. AX
        +5
        9 November 2014 09: 18
        I dragged ... In a skateboard ...
      2. AX
        0
        9 November 2014 09: 20
        And I forgot ... Logistics in our aircraft !? No, have not heard...
    2. +1
      9 November 2014 11: 13
      Quote: bistrov.
      How do you think to keep such a lot of things in the field, or in battle?

      The kit includes a large bag-backpack. Honestly, I didn’t try to push everything, but I think it’s going to fit a lot. The whole form is very light and compacted well, unlike the old ones that stand perfectly in the corner.
  18. +1
    8 November 2014 23: 40
    They brought it to the warehouse yesterday. The warehouse manager also says that they brought a huge size. Again, the campaign will have to be sutured. Next week I’ll go to receive, then I’ll write specific comments.
  19. 0
    9 November 2014 11: 26
    I agree with the author about Velcro and shoulder straps.
  20. +1
    9 November 2014 11: 39
    That's what I agree with - so it is with that - that the Velcro doesn’t fall. The button may not be so fashionable, but it does not experience problems in the mud.
    1. +2
      9 November 2014 15: 05
      -It depends on where ... A button or "slider" of the zipper under the plate of the body armor, in the area of ​​the sternum - an unpleasant option! But on the cuffs and collar of the jacket, on the pockets of the pants, the buttons are more convenient, unambiguously ... Unused Velcro on the sleeves should be covered with fabric panels with its "mating" part ... but you see, the manufacturers were greedy, they are not included in the kit.
  21. +2
    9 November 2014 18: 37
    Looks like I'm a little late, but is a new form being created for the fleet? and then the land is new every year, but as usual, we have conservatism.
    1. 0
      9 January 2015 04: 31
      in the Navy, how can you change clothes? also to attach ribbons with Velcro to a visor? so the jackets were removed bastards, the robes will be canceled, the sailors go in officer double-breasted overcoats, tfu! instead of baseball caps))) and what the officer turned into, it’s a shame to see that they go in Mchsov’s overalls, only black ones, and the white shirt is sticking out. I have a grandfather of 30 years in the navy, father, everyone taught me to love a tunic, jacket, flannel, crab. Just a cry from the soul! I want to cry. Soon the combat number on the belly will be glued. The most beautiful navy uniform, be proud.
  22. 0
    10 November 2014 11: 17
    A question to the author - who is the developer of this "wardrobe"?
  23. +1
    10 November 2014 16: 07
    One thing is interesting to me, the kits have been tested in real units for two years, where do other soldiers serve ??? Two options suggest itself here ...
  24. Tyler77
    +2
    11 November 2014 00: 10
    We got a new shape. not complete yet. We carry it to the PPD. So far, there are more pluses than minuses. The abundance of patches that must be purchased at your own expense is depressing. At the training ground, all this will instantly become unusable. The winter hat is bewildering to everyone. The material from which the layer for "everyday" wear is made is rather rough. I think it will be hot in it in the summer. What is missing in the kit is a "tactical" shirt for wearing under a bulletproof vest in the summer. In general, let's wait and see.
  25. -1
    27 November 2014 06: 55
    And what will happen if a little burning material of the "napalm" shooting range gets on the jacket during the cold period? Lightning will instantly fail. If you haven't suffered from the fire, the cold will finish you off.
    1. 0
      9 January 2015 04: 33
      you will patch up the tar holes, and it will be normal
  26. brdr
    0
    18 March 2015 11: 10
    In winter the soldier warms up smile
    He served in Samara in winter at -35 very warmly in the first yudashka. Especially in full ammunition, the helmet is already covered by the initiative)
  27. 0
    April 29 2021 17: 23
    Over the past 7 years, a lot has been modernized - the summer form of VKPO has been upgraded and since 2018 the problem of burnout in the sun has been solved: https://voensklad.su/vkpo-forma/kostjum-leto
    A clavan was added to the VKPO winter insulated suit.