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The Pentagon decided to purchase the "Iron Dome"

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The successful work of the Iron Dome during the last two operations in the Gaza Strip was the reason that the Pentagon decided to purchase the first anti-missile defense battery, reports Mignews. In addition, Ukraine, Poland and South Korea are interested in the system.



According to experts, the “Iron Dome” is a very significant technological achievement. Initially, the United States did not believe in the success of the system, and therefore did not participate in the financing of its development. The first two batteries of the Iron Dome were built with the funds of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, and only then the Pentagon joined the financing.
Recently, an agreement was signed providing for the joint production of the Iron Domes by the Israeli company Raphael and the American concern Raytheon.

At the moment, the US military decided to purchase one battery system to conduct versatile testing. After that, a decision will be made on the procurement of the “Iron Dome” for US Army units operating in conflict zones.
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  1. shishakova
    shishakova 3 November 2014 05: 51
    +8
    Respect for the rulers of the United States would have evoked their policy without conflict zones.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 3 November 2014 05: 56
      +5
      New monetary support for the Semitic state by the American ally.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 3 November 2014 07: 39
        +11
        Quote: mirag2
        New monetary support for the Semitic state by the American ally.

        You're right. USA Israel planes, and they named the Iron Dome. Barter deal, the dollar has no faith in Israel))))
        That still amused, or upset.
        In addition, Ukraine, Poland and South Korea became interested in the system.

        It is not clear why for the United States, on the mainland, the LCD.? And the desire of Ukraine is even more incomprehensible, there is no money for gas, for pensions, for salaries, the economy is collapsing, and they are there too. Or for the company, also hang? It would be better if they put a bucket on his head, that would be the Iron Dome, from the harmful effects of the media and other electronic impulses.
        1. askort154
          askort154 3 November 2014 13: 57
          +5
          Sirocco ...... And even more incomprehensible desire of Ukraine, there is no money for gas, retirement, salary, the economy is collapsing, and they are there too. Or for the company, also hang? It would be better if they put a bucket on his head, that would be the Iron Dome, from the harmful effects of the media and other electronic impulses.


          Ukraine does not need an "iron dome. Ukraine is already covered with a" copper basin "!
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          2. atalef
            atalef 3 November 2014 14: 12
            +10
            Quote: askort154
            ...... And even more incomprehensible is the desire of Ukraine, there is no money for gas, for pensions, for salaries, the economy is collapsing, and they are there too. Or for the company, also hang? It would be better if they put a bucket on his head, that would be the Iron Dome, from the harmful effects of the media and other electronic impulses

            Well, from wanted to bought - such a distance.
            1. crazyrom
              crazyrom 3 November 2014 18: 10
              -2
              Do you remember that a couple of times our super-radars detected the launch of a ballistic missile from the Mediterranean Sea, as it were, "across Israel," and so, they tested it, and apparently successfully, they decided to buy it. Apparently they are trying to make an ABM from our missiles from this dome. But if they managed to shoot down their missiles, then ours are not like theirs hehehe
        2. sandrmur76
          sandrmur76 3 November 2014 15: 46
          +1
          An iron dome for the units of the US Army operating in conflict zones. Do you want to cover yourself with a copper basin? There are so many problems on earth (illness, hunger, ecology, etc.) and these tarantulas are playing war games soldier
    2. Junior, I
      Junior, I 3 November 2014 05: 59
      +3
      But this will not happen until the United States disappears from the face of the earth.
      1. AnpeL
        AnpeL 3 November 2014 07: 32
        +7
        And against what has such a missile defense system successfully shown itself? Against the "khasanok", which are produced in a semi-handicraft way? Were there serious missile attacks on the territories of the SG from the standard missile weapons of the countries that possess such weapons?
        1. Silkway0026
          Silkway0026 3 November 2014 09: 41
          +22
          The Jews so actively advertised this dome that even the Pindocs were led? Probably very advanced if it knocks down 73% of the water pipes launched by barefoot Arabians. The target for defeat, of course, is sooooo complicated - low speed, all have the same trajectory, the same range.
          Khokslam just will not help, militias, for all their poverty, weapons, sewer pipes do not launch into the sky.

          Pysy. One Kassam costs 100 $. One Iron Dome missile - 20 000 $. A curtain.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 3 November 2014 13: 49
            +5
            Quote: Silkway0026
            The Jews so actively advertised this dome that even the Pindocs were led?



            In principle, this news is what is called a "beard" Last year, the US Missile Defense Agency announced the budget for the purchase of ZhK. - 220 million dollars. this year and 176 in 2015. In addition, in August of this year, the US Senate Defense Sub-Commission approved 351 million "aid" for the development and production of Kipat Barzel. The total amount of aid amounted to $ 621 million. According to this agreement, Israel is obliged to spend more than half of this amount to place orders with American enterprises. This year Israel spent only 3% of the funds received, In 2015 it should spend already 55%
            That's how the Americans stimulate their defense industry fellow when something worthy appears, they immediately switch to themselves.
            Recently I watched a report about the teachings of Israeli military medics, their equipment (especially the new "dry blood"). The Combat Application Tourniquet (CAT) was awarded the US Army 2005 Best Inventions of the Year award in 10, actually invented by an Israeli student. The IDF abandoned the invention and he sold the patent in the United States and now the IDF is buying it from the Americans.
            Soon, the LCD will fully produce Rayeton and sell it to the same Israel.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 3 November 2014 15: 30
              +2
              Quote: Ascetic
              In principle, this news is what is called a "beard" Last year, the US Missile Defense Agency announced a budget for the purchase of ZhK. - 220 million dollars. this year and 176 in 2015.

              Under this article are additional rocket batteries for Israel
          2. Professor
            Professor 3 November 2014 13: 56
            0
            Quote: Silkway0026
            The Jews so actively advertised this dome that even the Pindocs were led? Probably very advanced if it knocks down 73% of the water pipes launched by barefoot Arab women.

            Do not read Soviet newspapers before dinner.
            1. Not 73%, but much more.
            2. Not water pipes, but standard factory shells.
            3. Not barefoot Arabs, well-trained terrorists.
            4. Not Kasama, but $ 100, but expensive factory missiles, including Iranian ones.
            5. One Tamir missile defense is not worth $ 20, but much less. And it doesn’t matter how much it costs. For example, she saved a Boeing 000 on a runway worth a quarter of a billion dollars ... The curtain.
            1. Silkway0026
              Silkway0026 3 November 2014 16: 02
              +4
              Today, the Israeli authorities are implementing the "Iron Dome" project - to protect against Qassam missiles. But even the citizens of Israel have run out of patience. Here is what they write in the Israeli press: "Will clever Jews shoot down artisanal Palestinian Qassams, whose red price is one hundred dollars, with antimissiles worth $ 200 apiece?", "The Iron Dome" is a scam and a scam. Israel, purely economically, will not be able to spend $ 000 to intercept each $ 150000 Qassam. This useless system was pushed through by military companies and populist politicians eternally hungry for money ... "," The Iron Dome system was adopted under the most severe pressure from the Histadrut trade union monster and the Israeli military-industrial complex ... "


              I apologize, in the previous comment I accidentally missed one toe. And yes, in order to preempt possible reproaches - here is the link, the source, by the way, is Israeli.

              http://samsonblinded.org/newsru/8320
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 3 November 2014 16: 20
                +2
                Quote: Silkway0026
                I apologize, in the previous comment I accidentally missed one toe. And yes, in order to preempt possible reproaches - here is the link, the source, by the way, is Israeli.

                http://samsonblinded.org/newsru/8320

                Though looked what this site? Well, just for fun
                1. Silkway0026
                  Silkway0026 3 November 2014 16: 29
                  +4
                  Are you saying that this site, the articles in the Israeli press and the opinion of the Israelis expressed in the articles in the Israeli press are all the work of the "bloody khabni"?
                  1. IAlex
                    IAlex 4 November 2014 00: 24
                    +3
                    You did not accurately describe it - this is the handiwork of VVP and GRU colonels personally, because the entire "civilized community" knows about this ...
              2. Dan4eG
                Dan4eG 3 November 2014 16: 30
                +5
                rave! article of 2009 with characteristic epithets and turns of speech of some tramp !!!!
                most likely it was written by some sort of Khamasyatnik or leftist, who today kisses this dome in the rear nozzle with joy!
          3. Alf
            Alf 3 November 2014 14: 04
            +15
            Quote: Silkway0026
            Pysy. One Kassam costs 100 $. One Iron Dome missile - 20 000 $. A curtain.
          4. Pimply
            Pimply 3 November 2014 15: 29
            +3
            Quote: Silkway0026
            One Kassam costs 100 $.


            In fact, Kassam of the first generation cost from 200 to 500 dollars, not counting the costs of launching and a team.
            The cost of launching the Tamir missile defense at that time was 100000 dollars. Subsequently, it was reduced to 50000 - it was possible to bring reliability to such an extent that with a high degree of probability a missile was shot down by one missile, and not two.

            Further evolution was on both sides. Kassam of the first modification contained half a kilogram of TNT, the second - 5-7, the third - 10, El-Quds (fourth modification) - carries, if I am not mistaken, about 15, and its range is 18 km, enough to shell Ashdod, for example , one of the main port cities of Israel.
            In parallel, Iranian and Chinese factory analogues of the Soviet BM-21 system missiles, as well as Fajr-3, 4 and 5, were actively used.

            The cost of all these missiles starts from 1000 dollars (the cheapest) and subsequently is approximately several orders of magnitude higher than the specified hundred dollars.

            The cost of the Tamir missile defense at the moment is about 5000 dollars. It was possible to reduce by reducing the number of sensors.
            1. Egor65g
              Egor65g 3 November 2014 18: 47
              +3
              Moreover:
              The price of one battery is about $ 50 million. Each launch of the Iron Dome system rocket costs $ 30-40 thousand, which is many times higher than the cost of any of the possible intercepted missiles. Thus, even with 100% effectiveness, intercepting an attack means will be much more expensive than the cost of the attack itself. But the economic efficiency of the system lies in the fact that earlier, when a missile hit a residential quarter, the state paid at least one million shekels (about $ 250) to the city and its residents. Wiki.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 3 November 2014 20: 01
                0
                Quote: Egor65G
                Each launch of the Iron Dome system rocket costs $ 30 — 40 thousand, which is many times higher than the cost of any of the possible intercepted missiles.


                Amounts are already different
                1. Egor65g
                  Egor65g 3 November 2014 21: 22
                  +3
                  Especially! This is only pleasing. Although, in my opinion, the LCD is a double-edged sword.
          5. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 3 November 2014 17: 39
            +6
            Quote: Silkway0026
            The Jews so actively advertised this dome that even the Pindocs were led? Probably very advanced if it knocks down 73% of the water pipes launched by barefoot Arabians. The target for defeat, of course, is sooooo complicated - low speed, all have the same trajectory, the same range.
            Khokslam just will not help, militias, for all their poverty, weapons, sewer pipes do not launch into the sky.

            Pysy. One Kassam costs 100 $. One Iron Dome missile - 20 000 $. A curtain.

            Your post is just an example of how laziness of the mind and unwillingness to obtain knowledge that are freely available are accepted with a bang because of the political situation. There is a lot of information on the net about Hamas missile weapons and its use, how you can write your post after that, I don’t understand.
            1. Alexkorzun
              Alexkorzun 3 November 2014 17: 52
              +1
              [quote] Even in the scenario that most of the missiles can be shot down, the cost of the war will be enormous - the launch of each Iron Dome interceptor missile costs 52 thousand dollars. [quote]
              http://www.israel-forum.org/archive/index.php/t-2544.html
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 3 November 2014 19: 17
                +2
                [quote = Alexkorzun] [quote] Even under the scenario that most of the missiles can be shot down, the cost of the war will be enormous - launching each Iron Dome interceptor missile costs $ 52. [quote]
                http://www.israel-forum.org/archive/index.php/t-2544.html[/quote]
                It has already been written many times that due to the expanded production, the price dropped to 5000 $ for an LCD rocket.
            2. VOLOD
              VOLOD 3 November 2014 18: 32
              +1
              Well, the man of Malech exaggerated with the help of zeros. Che pounced. anyway, it's more expensive.
          6. andj61
            andj61 3 November 2014 20: 49
            +2
            Quote: Silkway0026
            One Kassam costs $ 100. One Iron Dome missile - $ 20. A curtain.

            And the cost of Qassam is higher - from 500 to 1000 dollars, and the cost of antimissile is lower - from 5 to 10 thousand. But you are right - there is no smell of economy and efficiency here! Israel has combined the effectiveness of detecting shells of the counter-battery radar "Zoo-1" with the effectiveness of a small air defense system. This allows you to shoot down both missiles and other ammunition such as mines flying rather slowly.
            The task is extremely difficult - purely engineering, but in Israel they coped brilliantly with it. Here are just putting into service in other countries - a dubious thing. Unless, of course, in this way defending the headquarters of the commander of a large group.
            In general, as you know, the best air defense is our tanks at enemy airfields. Therefore, the task of protecting civilians can be solved in a different, more radical and cheaper way, eliminating the threat to civilians in general.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 3 November 2014 21: 18
              0
              Quote: andj61
              The task is extremely difficult - purely engineering, but in Israel they coped brilliantly with it. Here are just putting into service in other countries - a dubious thing. Unless, of course, in this way defending the headquarters of the commander of a large group.

              Nevertheless, other countries - the South Caucasus, Singapore, etc. are actively interested.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 3 November 2014 22: 45
                +1
                Only as a basis for rework. For completely different tasks, for much more massive strikes (especially SK), for more difficult conditions of use (again SK)
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 3 November 2014 23: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  Only as a basis for rework. For completely different tasks, for much more massive strikes (especially SK), for more difficult conditions of use (again SK)

                  Who is arguing? The system is flexible and mobile, there is a chic radar capabilities
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 4 November 2014 18: 41
          +2
          Quote: AnpeL
          And against what has such a missile defense system successfully shown itself? Against the "khasanok", which are produced in a semi-handicraft way?


          For those who are in the tank.
          LCD - a full-fledged short-range air defense system.
          Able to shoot down helicopters, planes, UAVs and cruise missiles. It is written in English in white on the manufacturer’s website. (They won’t lie - as they value their internationally recognized reputation)


          http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/186-1530-en/Marketing.aspx

          ... Iron Dome is an advanced defense system, designed for quick detection, discrimination and interception of rockets & mortar threats with ranges of up to and over 70 km and against aircraft, helicopters, UAVs and PGMs...
    3. Turik
      Turik 3 November 2014 07: 51
      +3
      Again, a professor and a company here advertise their Jewish g * extra-craftsmanship.

      Understand, dear entrepreneurs and their agents, well, our MO will not buy them, and that’s it. Unless in the amount of one piece - for experiments, and even then if you sell it.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 3 November 2014 10: 30
        +1
        Quote: Turik
        our MO will not buy them

        Is there any talk in lobbying circles of Russia about the acquisition of this design? Even under Serdyukov, no one had heard such a thing!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 3 November 2014 10: 47
          +5
          Unfortunately, they will not sell. Although I would like to ... The battlefield missile defense system and even with the rich practice of combat use is cool.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 3 November 2014 15: 37
        +2
        Quote: Turik
        Again, a professor and a company here advertise their Jewish g * extra-craftsmanship.


        To whom to advertise? You? Do not make me laugh. LCD shot down 2014 229 missiles in August during 464 shelling, during which 1.025 missiles were launched.
        In July - 900 attacks, 2.462 missiles. 559 missiles were shot down by the Iron Dome missile defense system.

        If we consider the cost of anti-missiles, it is about 4 and a half million dollars. The destruction of one building costs the state of Israel about the same amount.

        In addition, we draw attention to the fact that the LCD is specially designed to bring down missiles that fly precisely to residential areas.

        So do not smack nonsense.
      3. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 4 November 2014 18: 49
        0
        Quote: Turik
        Again, a professor and a company are here promoting their Jewish g * extra-articles ...


        Shaw vi speak! bully

        Did you think that you have a monopoly on advertising g * out-of-the-box ?! belay wassat
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 3 November 2014 09: 46
      0
      The very mattress mattresses themselves do not have enough to create something like this.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 3 November 2014 10: 49
        +6
        That is why they paid to Israel. They are actually actively using Jewish practices
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 3 November 2014 15: 37
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          That is why they paid to Israel. They are actually actively using Jewish practices

          More than
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    6. Denis fj
      Denis fj 3 November 2014 15: 31
      +2
      PROFESSOR Don't be nervous: nobody says IRON DOME is a bad system. This is a very good system, but, like any missile defense system, it can only work effectively for a limited amount of time. Hamas missiles today do not have a maneuvering system in flight, which means that their trajectory is calculated according to the laws of ballistics relatively easily. Now, if they have maneuvering warheads ... wink
      1. Professor
        Professor 3 November 2014 15: 41
        +2
        Quote: Denis fj
        PROFESSOR Don't be nervous: nobody says IRON DOME is a bad system. This is a very good system, but, like any missile defense system, it can only work effectively for a limited amount of time. Hamas missiles today do not have a maneuvering system in flight, which means that their trajectory is calculated according to the laws of ballistics relatively easily. Now, if they have maneuvering warheads ... wink

        And why am I nervous? I do not have Raphael shares.
        The fact is that MLRS do not maneuver (correct if I am mistaken). maneuvering warheads? Hamas? Hmmmm. By the way, no one will give terrorists a full-fledged volley of MLRS. They will carry the artillery and aircraft of the Zionists.
        1. Silkway0026
          Silkway0026 3 November 2014 16: 16
          +1
          I apologize, in the previous comment I accidentally missed one toe. And yes, in order to preempt possible reproaches - here is the link, the source, by the way, is Israeli.

          http://samsonblinded.org/newsru/8320
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 3 November 2014 16: 22
            0
            Quote: Silkway0026
            I apologize, in the previous comment I accidentally missed one toe. And yes, in order to preempt possible reproaches - here is the link, the source, by the way, is Israeli.

            http://samsonblinded.org/newsru/8320

            Have you ever looked at what resource you quote?
            In the course that there is such an assessment as the credibility of sources?
            1. Silkway0026
              Silkway0026 3 November 2014 16: 47
              +1
              Are you saying that this site, the articles in the Israeli press and the opinion of the Israelis expressed in the articles in the Israeli press are all the work of the "bloody khabni"?
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 3 November 2014 16: 58
                0
                Quote: Silkway0026
                Are you saying that this site, the articles in the Israeli press and the opinion of the Israelis expressed in the articles in the Israeli press are all the work of the "bloody khabni"?

                First, name what exactly is the Israeli media and indicate the level of its authority. Well, just for starters. In what language other than Russian is available, by whom is registered, etc. Well, the usual such assessment for the media.
                Then give the sources of this article - if not mistaken, they are not indicated.
                The opinion of what kind of Israelis and in which articles do you designate?
                From what year is the article?

                The reality is this:
                The initial cost of launching a Tamir missile was 100000 bucks. Because two missiles were launched simultaneously for a greater probability of hitting a target.
                Then targeting was improved to such an extent that it was possible to hit an enemy missile with a single missile with the same degree of probability. Cost, respectively, fell to 50000.

                Then, due to the reduction in the number of sensors (namely, they were the most expensive), it was possible to reduce the price of the anti-missile defense by 10 times. At the moment, it costs about 5000 dollars.
                That's it.
                1. Silkway0026
                  Silkway0026 3 November 2014 17: 15
                  +2
                  All that you have written here is just words. As the saying goes - paper endures everything.
                  And I refer to an Israeli resource that analyzes the opinion of the Israeli press. Are you asking me to investigate whether the Israelites were lying, expressing their indignation? Yes, there is nothing to be done on your "Wishlist". You need to - you and poke around in the Israeli press, pouring poop on the Israeli complex.
                  Notice, I am not saying that the complex is shitty, but also very expensive shit, but I am referring to the opinion of the Israelis.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 3 November 2014 20: 05
                    0
                    Quote: Silkway0026
                    And I refer to an Israeli resource that analyzes the opinion of the Israeli press. Are you asking me to investigate whether the Israelites were lying, expressing their indignation? Yes, there is nothing to be done on your "Wishlist". You need to - you and poke around in the Israeli press, pouring poop on the Israeli complex.


                    You are talking nonsense. You can name the full name of this resource. Who is analyzed. In what language. For what year.
                    No you can not.
                    Because you don’t know.

                    What you cite in the press is called an "unauthorized source". For example, I can find information that you, Silkway0026, have blue ears and a nose with a yellow speck. How interesting my source will be.
                    1. Silkway0026
                      Silkway0026 3 November 2014 22: 40
                      +2
                      Such information can be found - ears, nose and specks - provided that they are FABRICATED. Those. this is the first thing that came to your mind in the dispute - to fabricate in order to prove.
                      Note - I did not blackmail you with a fabrication of evidence, I just found it on ISRAELI sites, and not one but several sources, see below. But no, they do not suit you, because not in a line. It remains to fabricate. Come on!
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 3 November 2014 23: 46
                        -2
                        Quote: Silkway0026
                        Such information can be found - ears, nose and specks - provided that they are FABRICATED. Those. this is the first thing that came to your mind in the dispute - to fabricate in order to prove.

                        Well, you have found such information. We found a delusional unknown site, without normal links, full of garbage - and rush with it as if by the level of authority it is AP or Reuters
                  2. tilix
                    tilix 3 November 2014 20: 33
                    0
                    This is not
                    Israeli press analysis resource

                    This site advertises a book of the same name and says that it’s cheaper to take Gaza, for example, than to defend Sderot. But the best there is (from 2009 year) comments:
                    1
                    The Iron Dome system in Sderot will not work for a long time - its efficiency will be too low, and the Arabs will specially activate the shelling to discredit the Iron Dome before the Israelis.
                    Storms 07 April 2009
                    2
                    The iron dome missile defense system is another stupid waste of money. in addition to the fact that the dome against the missiles does not help much, it creates a deceptive sense of security among the residents of Sderot. Thus, the missile defense system of the iron dome is not only useless, but also dangerous in some ways. Let's hope that the iron dome against the missiles will help at least a little. But the level of resolution of the problem of terrorism from this system will not become higher.


                    The prospect of time is changing a lot.
                2. Alexkorzun
                  Alexkorzun 3 November 2014 17: 34
                  +1
                  The opinion of what kind of Israelis and in which articles do you designate?


                  The winner of the Israeli Security Prize, Dr. Mordechai (Moti) Schaefer, believes that the IDF’s press service reports on the Iron Dome interception of missiles are untrue. “All this is an Israeli bluff!” He said. Schaefer, who works as a defense design engineer, claims that during the days of Operation Unbreakable Rock, his skepticism about the Iron Dome increased even more. In his opinion, the imperfect rockets launched by terrorists from Gaza explode in the air by themselves, and only ordinary people can consider this to be the result of the successful actions of the Israeli missile defense system.
                  1. Silkway0026
                    Silkway0026 3 November 2014 18: 03
                    +2
                    if not mistaken, this Schaefer also took part in the development of Iron colander dome
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 3 November 2014 20: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Silkway0026
                      if I'm not mistaken, this Schaefer also took part in the development of the Iron Colander of the dome


                      You are wrong, the Chauffeur took part in the development of the "Python-3" guidance system.

                      Why is Schaefer offended? He put forward the idea of ​​some kind of unified system capable of replacing both "Khets", and ZhK, and "Shravit Ksamim". However, if he worked for RAFAEL until 1996, apparently it was not about working out the idea during the period of work, but later, possibly in 2006, when a decision was made on short-range missile defense systems. But his ideas were rejected. After which he became very angry, and actively carries wild nonsense in the spirit of "I am a genius who was offended by scoundrels" And he has all the scoundrels
                      1. Silkway0026
                        Silkway0026 3 November 2014 22: 50
                        +3
                        Well, now Israeli experts are lying. but who doesn’t lie to you - probably only those who coincide with your wonderful opinion)))
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 3 November 2014 23: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Silkway0026
                        Well, now Israeli experts are lying. but who doesn’t lie to you - probably only those who coincide with your wonderful opinion)))

                        No, it's just that in any city there are always offended and crazy, and among any people there are self-confident fools 8)
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 3 November 2014 20: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Alexkorzun
                    The winner of the Israeli Security Prize, Dr. Mordechai (Moti) Schaefer, believes that the IDF’s press service reports on the Iron Dome interception of missiles are untrue.

                    What a pity that you can’t ask him where did those thousands of Palestinian missiles fired at Ashkelon, Ashdod and other Israeli cities go? Where did Israel hide the sacrifices and destruction?
                    1. Egor65g
                      Egor65g 3 November 2014 21: 27
                      +1
                      It should be noted that Dr. Schaefer is a developer of a competitive missile defense system, and confirmation of the effectiveness of the Iron Dome can be seen with the naked eye. Wiki
                      That's the reason, ordinary competitive fuss wink
                      1. Alexkorzun
                        Alexkorzun 4 November 2014 01: 34
                        +3
                        How easy, gentlemen of Israel, you are drowning your fellow countrymen. Here Schaefer did not please the opinion - and that’s all, spiteful, envious, loser.

                        There is such a historian, Shlomo Zand, a very famous Israeli, professor of general history at Tel Aviv University, lecturer at the Higher School of Social Sciences, Paris, laureate (note, also laureate) of the French Aujourd'hui Prize, the British Jewish Wingate Prize ", Author of the book-research" When and how the Jewish people were invented. " About him, what do you say - is worthy of the high title of "creditable Israeli"? Or will we send you to Schaefer's company?
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 4 November 2014 02: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Alexkorzun
                        How easy, gentlemen of Israel, you are drowning your fellow countrymen. Here Schaefer did not please the opinion - and that’s all, spiteful, envious, loser.

                        Well, it's funny that out of the total number of specialists who work on the topic, only the Chauffeur jumped out with her, whose project was "rolled".

                        Quote: Alexkorzun
                        There is such a historian, Shlomo Zand, a very famous Israeli, professor of general history at Tel Aviv University, lecturer at the Higher School of Social Sciences, Paris, laureate (note, also laureate) of the French Aujourd'hui Prize, the British Jewish Wingate Prize ", Author of the book-research" When and how the Jewish people were invented. " About him, what do you say - is worthy of the high title of "creditable Israeli"? Or will we send you to Schaefer's company?

                        Have you ever encountered how the scientific community works in principle? What is a theory? Have other works of Bore or his opponents read? Can you evaluate their debatability or correctness? Well, or just bought the beautiful name 8) I'm so sure one hundred percent in the latter
                      3. Alexkorzun
                        Alexkorzun 4 November 2014 13: 57
                        +1
                        Hmm, they talked about anything, but not the point. What uncomfortable topic? Inconvenient, apparently, just throw and throw the opponent with all sorts of verbal garbage, moving off the topic.

                        Colleagues, just put me on ignore and don’t answer anymore, you can argue with you only by confirming your arguments, and not yours. In general, nothing new, and the tribe and habits are known and unchanged.
                  3. Pimply
                    Pimply 3 November 2014 20: 06
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexkorzun
                    Dr. Mordechai (Moti) Schaefer believes that the IDF’s press service reports on the Iron Dome interception of missiles are untrue. “All this is an Israeli bluff!” He said.

                    Moti Slate is wonderful in his insult that his system was not taken, but the Dome was taken. So wonderful that I’m not ready to admit the obvious
      2. smart Fox
        smart Fox 3 November 2014 17: 18
        +3
        Then the Iron Dome will become a colander ...
  2. 1812 1945
    1812 1945 3 November 2014 05: 57
    +6
    So - here, Ukraine is interested: they will buy all the "Domes" on the vine! Pindo won't get it. They will also snatch a couple of aircraft carriers, - in the steppe, to the nuclear submarine fleet - to complete the picture.
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 3 November 2014 06: 08
      +14
      Quote: 1812 1945
      So - here, Ukraine is interested: they will buy all the "Domes" on the vine! Pindo won't get it. They will also snatch a couple of aircraft carriers, - in the steppe, to the nuclear submarine fleet - to complete the picture.


      TA-dah! What do you think the French are stirring up with "Mistrals"? Looks u.kry made an offer from which it is impossible to refuse. laughing
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 3 November 2014 06: 38
        -4
        one start from this system costs lam bucks and if the United States pulls this for themselves and print candy wrappers then where will Ukraine get the money from? or as the Poles will ask for free? Non-bankers.
        1. Professor
          Professor 3 November 2014 13: 57
          +4
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          one start from this system costs lam bucks


          Not lyam, a billion or a trillion bucks. Exaggerate so exaggerate. wink
          1. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 5 November 2014 17: 13
            -1
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            one start from this system costs lam bucks and if the United States pulls this for themselves and print candy wrappers then where will Ukraine get the money from? or as the Poles will ask for free? Non-bankers.

            20 thousand dollars for the interception (s) Wikipedia
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 3 November 2014 15: 38
          +2
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          one start from this system costs lam bucks and if the United States pulls this for themselves and print candy wrappers then where will Ukraine get the money from? or as the Poles will ask for free? Non-bankers.

          Tamir missile defense cost - about 5000 bucks
          1. Silkway0026
            Silkway0026 3 November 2014 18: 20
            +3
            I heeded your requests to check the sources for the cost of missile defense. So, I congratulate you lie:

            In addition, Israeli specialists managed to significantly reduce the operating costs of the Iron Dome: if earlier two Tamir interceptor missiles were fired against Palestinian missiles, each costing 50 thousand dollars, now only one missile is being launched.

            http://djc.com.ua/news/view/new/?id=8303

            after fixing the target, the Iron Dome fired two Tamir anti-missile missiles at the Palestinian missile. In late February, three Iron Dome batteries shot down 59 Palestinian missiles, firing about 150 Tamirov missiles at them.
            Each Tamir costs about $ 50. Thus, in four days of rocket attacks, about 750 thousand dollars were spent only on anti-missiles.

            http://www.jewish.ru/news/israel/2012/03/news994306028.php

            The cost of the Iron Dome battery is $ 50 million, and the price of one anti-missile missile is $ 50. It is also significant that this missile defense system does not protect against mines.

            http://www.isra.com/news/177635

            I must admit, it is no longer 200 000 dollars, it was a long time ago.
            But not 5000, how are you trying to get us here.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 3 November 2014 18: 30
              +2
              Silkway0026 (2) SU Today, 18: 20 ↑ New

              I heeded your requests to check the sources for the cost of missile defense. So, I congratulate you lie:


              In a word, it is impossible to believe the citizens of Israel in any case laughing
              These are well-known "storytellers".
            2. Professor
              Professor 3 November 2014 20: 12
              +1
              Quote: Silkway0026
              But not 5000, how are you trying to get us here.

              Why don't you quote quotes from the First Zionist Congress, they will be as relevant as your references. The other day, Comrade Pupyrchaty quoted a link from the central Israeli newspaper Yediot Akhoronot and a figure of 5 American rubles for Tamir was announced there. These are the amounts that the government has budgeted for. Oh yes. Jews have forgotten how to count money, sir "vtema". wink
            3. Pimply
              Pimply 3 November 2014 20: 17
              +1
              Quote: Silkway0026
              But not 5000, how are you trying to get us here.

              What are you speaking in Russian then all the sources are quoted, not the originals. And for what year.

              My - in the original language, for 2013, one of the most respected Israeli newspapers, with reference to Horowitz, one of the leading developers of the system

              http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4358626,00.html&usg=ALkJrhim7HlLFqGY5cEC
              V2uyjmXCiUA7hQ
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 3 November 2014 21: 06
                +1
                Pupyrchaty (1) RU Today, 20:17 ↑ Mine is in the original language, for 2013, one of the most respected Israeli newspapers, with reference to Horowitz, one of the leading developers of the system

                http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4358626,00.html&usg=ALkJrhim7HlLFqGY5cEC


                V2uyjmXCiUA7hQ


                I write something like - "the resource is not available."
                Give another link.
                Mine is in the original language

                If there is Jewish, it is unlikely that anyone here will understand anything other than Jews lol .
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 3 November 2014 21: 24
                  0
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  I write something like - "the resource is not available."
                  Give another link.


                  http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4358626,00.html

                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  If there is Jewish, it is unlikely that anyone here will understand anything other than Jews

                  Well, what to do if you are illiterate. Learn Hebrew. Google translator to help you
                  1. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 3 November 2014 22: 11
                    0
                    Pimpled (1) RU Today, 21:24 ↑
                    Well, what to do if you are illiterate. Learn Hebrew. Google translator to help you


                    Better let this Jew learn Russian smile
                    When I will learn then I will read, but for now we will assume that you are inventing.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 3 November 2014 22: 16
                      0
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      Better let this Jew learn Russian
                      When I will learn then I will read, but for now we will assume that you are inventing

                      I learned. The fact that you think something, makes you know something or somehow influences reality? 8 is unlikely) Trolling is such a trolling, and pride in ignorance is so funny 8)
                      1. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 3 November 2014 22: 45
                        +1
                        Pimpled (1) RU Today, 22:16 PM
                        I learned. The fact that you think something, makes you know something or somehow influences reality? 8 is unlikely) Trolling is such a trolling, and pride in ignorance is so funny 8)


                        Well, everything is clear with you, you are a Jew, you are supposed to know the language of your race.
                        Why do I need it? Or do you think that from knowing this language, people become smarter?
                        Then you are very mistaken lol
                        Stop composing, and give links to Russian-language resources.
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 3 November 2014 23: 49
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, everything is clear with you, you are a Jew, you are supposed to know the language of your race.

                        Do you even know what a race is?
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Why do I need it? Or do you think that from knowing this language, people become smarter?

                        No, I just think that a person who boasts that he doesn’t know something and doesn’t want to learn is stupid
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Stop composing, and give links to Russian-language resources.

                        To luck your stupidity and ignorance? What for
                      3. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 November 2014 00: 03
                        +2
                        Pimpled (1) RU Today, 23:49 ↑
                        No, I just think that a person who boasts that he doesn’t know something and doesn’t want to learn is stupid


                        So you think that if a person does not know and does not want to know your Jewish language, then he is stupid?
                        You are insulting,% 99% of the people on this site.
                        Although everything is clear with you, such people like you to spit everything and harm as much as possible.
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 4 November 2014 00: 34
                        -1
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        So you think that if a person does not know and does not want to know your Jewish language, then he is stupid?

                        No, I believe that if a person flaunts his ignorance, rudeness and ignorance - he is a fool.
                        Insolent, self-confident - but does this add to his mind? 8) Not a bit
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Although everything is clear with you, such people like you to spit everything and harm as much as possible.

                        That is, what I point to someone's stupidity is wrecking? For me, this is the benefit of 8)))
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        You are insulting,% 99% of the people on this site.

                        Do not speak for other people on the site, speak for yourself 8)
                      5. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 November 2014 01: 02
                        +1
                        Pimpled (1) RU Today, 00:
                        No, I believe that if a person flaunts his ignorance, rudeness and ignorance - he is a fool.


                        Yes, it’s not knowledge of the Jewish language, it’s illiteracy lol , you really performed in the circus, don’t lie.
                        That is, what I point to someone's stupidity is wrecking? For me, this is the benefit of 8)))

                        While you show, only your smile
                        There really is a benefit in this, let people see your real face.
                        Do not speak for other people on the site, speak for yourself 8


                        Once again, not knowing the Hebrew language does not mean a person’s education or mind.
                        Although you are a Jew what to explain to you, you can only regret.
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 4 November 2014 02: 07
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Yes, it means that you don’t know the Jewish language, it’s illiteracy, you really performed in a circus, you don’t lie.

                        Well, yes, child, of course we are talking only about knowledge of Hebrew 8) Only about him.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        While you show, only your
                        There really is a benefit in this, let people see your real face.

                        Ingenious. Great move. Mine - see. I don’t hide it. Yours - see all the more 8)

                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Once again, not knowing the Hebrew language does not mean a person’s education or mind.
                        Although you are a Jew what to explain to you, you can only regret.

                        Illiteracy is spoken of by flaunting ignorance
                      7. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 November 2014 12: 02
                        -2
                        Pimpled (1) RU Today, 02:07 ↑
                        Well, yes, child, of course we are talking only about knowledge of Hebrew 8) Only about him.

                        Come on, don't be shy "scientist", your Jewish hieroglyphs are needed only by a Jew like you.
                        Not one normal person, being in his right mind and firm memory, will not learn these children's "scribbles" laughing
                        I still understand English, German, French, Chinese in the end, but this is Jewish, only for Jews.
                        Ingenious. Great move. Mine - see. I don’t hide it. Yours - see all the more 8)

                        You do not hide your face? belay
                        And I realized, so this is your physiognomy on the avatar lol
                        Jesus laughing and so terrible, and even the nickname "pimply". I am ashamed to even ask a question, do you have such faces in Israel there?
                        Illiteracy is spoken of by flaunting ignorance

                        Not knowing what?
                        Your hebrew? laughing
                        Or your Jewish legends about the Iron Dome.
                        Well, you’re funny, though I’m not hiding it, sometimes you’re just sorry.
                      8. Dry_T-50
                        Dry_T-50 5 November 2014 17: 15
                        0
                        Lost the entire branch, thank you very much
                        And on the topic, it would be interesting to look at the use of this SAM by the Ukrainian army (or the DPR / LPR) hi
                    2. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 3 November 2014 23: 02
                      0
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      Better let this Jew learn Russian smile
                      When I will learn then I will read, but for now we will assume that you are inventing.

                      But let me tell you, what "this Jew" is, can be easily checked by more advanced members of the forum than you, well, for example, the Ascetic, who cannot be suspected of being silly, but who we cannot know, so why should we trust you? Maybe you are an uneducated person who does not even have the strength to use a Google translator, so until you prove otherwise, "we will assume that you are making it up."
                      1. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 3 November 2014 23: 11
                        +1
                        Aron Zaawi (2) IL Today, 23: 02 ↑
                        But let me tell you, what "this Jew" is, can be easily checked by more advanced members of the forum than you, well, for example, the Ascetic, who cannot be suspected of being silly, but who we cannot know, so why should we trust you? Maybe you are an uneducated person who does not even have the strength to use a Google translator, so until you prove otherwise, "we will assume that you are making it up."


                        And how do you confirm that this Jew is not lying for advertising purposes in order to promote his "Iron Kumpol"? Is there such a possibility?
                        You are the one who constantly fantasizes. Why can't he?
                      2. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 4 November 2014 01: 21
                        +5
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        An ascetic who you will not suspect of anti-Semitism,



                        Anti-Semitism is already an extreme degree of attitude, like anti-Semitism. The difference is that, for example, Russophilism is not inherent in most Russians as Jews, Judophilism based mainly on fears of assimilation and loss of Jewish roots.
                        In fact, Russian people can be successfully blamed for anything, but here they do not suffer from narcissism, in contrast to the Yankees daffodils. By definition, a Russian person is always critical, including in relation to himself.
                        The Jews, like the Yankees, are exactly the opposite.
                        Who are Russians in general? Are the Udmurts also Russians? Karelians with Pomors? And the Russians in Ukraine or Ukrainians in Russia? And what about the Belarusians, the overwhelming majority of whom do not know the Belarusian language? The same Jews assimilated by your laws are also Russian. Therefore, a Russian can be called the one who lives under the slogan "I love Russia!"
                        Therefore, if the same Jew observes all his traditions, but at the same time he is a patriot
                        Russia and considers it its homeland is Russian in our understanding.
                        And vice versa, a Russian who hates or despises his country, worships a foreign ideology or religion, cannot be called Russian. A Jew will always be recognized as a Jew if his mother is Jewish or by decision of a rabbinical court, regardless of his beliefs and affections.
                      3. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 November 2014 01: 25
                        0
                        Ascetic SU Today, 01:21 ↑
                        Therefore, a Russian can be called the one who lives under the slogan "I love Russia!"
                        Therefore, if the same Jew observes all his traditions, but at the same time he is a patriot
                        Russia and considers it its homeland is Russian in our understanding.
                        And vice versa, a Russian who hates or despises his country, worships a foreign ideology or religion, cannot be called Russian.


                        Strongly.
                        Thank you.
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 4 November 2014 02: 08
                        -1
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Russophilia is not inherent in most Russians

                        Joke 8)
                      5. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 November 2014 12: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Russophilia is not inherent in most Russians

                        Joke 8)


                        You don’t understand this, Pupyrchaty, you Jews used to build yourself offended by the whole world "little men" smile
                        To beg other clever, hardworking peoples, handouts and other alms.
                        And some help you, some because they feel sorry for you, others you simply deceived, and still others because they want to take advantage of your "not very smart" mass for the most part.
                      6. Denis fj
                        Denis fj 5 November 2014 21: 33
                        0
                        gold words!!!!!!!!! ASCETIC. hi
                  2. Silkway0026
                    Silkway0026 3 November 2014 23: 45
                    +3
                    and even your sources give you a liar - it says 20 000 dollars.

                    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4541496,00.html
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 4 November 2014 00: 11
                      +2
                      Quote: Silkway0026
                      even your sources give a liar to you - it says 20 000 dollars.

                      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4541496,00.html

                      Launch. Moreover, it was not specified which one is full (20 anti-missile) or partial, and whether the associated costs are included.

                      I'm talking about a specific anti-missile Tamir.

                      http://news.walla.co.il/item/2626716
                    2. Professor
                      Professor 4 November 2014 07: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: Silkway0026
                      and even your sources give you a liar - it says 20 000 dollars.

                      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4541496,00.html

                      We read carefully: Local reports say each launching costs about $ 20,000.
                      "Local reports say it costs roughly $ 20 each launch.". Who is reporting? When? What does he even understand about this?

                      Now we read what the person with the first and last name reports, moreover, the person directly developing the system. By the way, he would have to increase the cost in order to cut the dough, since the system is uncontested and they will buy it anyway. Moreover, in general, Americans allocate money for the purchase so that it would be safe to add one toe to the cost.

                      So: אני יכול להביא את המיירט בצורה מדויקת קרוב למטרה, מה שאומר שאני יכול להשתמש במכ"ם שלו לזמן קצר מארוד ",. וכמה שהזמן קצר יותר, כך יש פחות צורך בחיישנים מסוג RF. "זה חוסך כסף, כמה? שני אפסים. במקום מאות אלפי דולרים - אלפי דולרים בלבד לכל טיל"
                      “We are able to very accurately bring the interceptor close to the target. This means that I can use its radar in a very short period of time,” says Horowitz. "And the shorter this period of time, the less there is a need to use RF sensors. This saves money. How much? Two orders of magnitude. Now the cost of a rocket, instead of hundreds of thousands of dollars, is only a few thousand dollars."
              2. Silkway0026
                Silkway0026 3 November 2014 23: 32
                +2
                it’s very convenient to refer to sources you cannot get to ...
                from your link, I saw only the following:

                Access Denied
                You don't have permission to access "http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4358626,00.html&usg=ALkJrhim7HlLFq
                GY5cEC "on this server.
                Reference #18.9b861ed4.1415046631.3d28573a
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 3 November 2014 23: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: Silkway0026
                  it’s very convenient to refer to sources you cannot get to ...
                  from your link, I saw only the following:

                  Access Denied
                  You don't have permission to access "http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4358626,00.html&usg=ALkJrhim7HlLFq

                  GY5cEC "on this server.
                  Reference #18.9b861ed4.1415046631.3d28573a

                  And I threw off the corrected version there, do not be so nervous
                  1. Silkway0026
                    Silkway0026 4 November 2014 00: 23
                    +2
                    I'm not nervous. I am reading. I don’t know Hebrew, but everything is in order with German-English. And here is what I read:

                    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-21751766

                    http://www.inss.org.il/index.aspx?id=4538&articleid=2635

                    In short - people doubt ... Yes, and even hints at the cut. Something like this .
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 4 November 2014 00: 36
                      -1
                      Quote: Silkway0026
                      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-21751766

                      http://www.inss.org.il/index.aspx?id=4538&articleid=2635

                      In short - people doubt ... Yes, and even hints at the cut. Something like this .

                      There are always fools, doubters, or lovers of conspiracy theories. And to analyze the real abilities of the dome, it is enough to make small statistical calculations for the periods when it was not and when it was.
                      1. Silkway0026
                        Silkway0026 4 November 2014 00: 50
                        +1
                        here about statistics is explained in great detail.

                        http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000953982
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 4 November 2014 02: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Silkway0026
                        here about statistics is explained in great detail.

                        http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000953982

                        The LCD won a contest in which Schaefer's system was rejected. That's the whole story of 8)
                      3. Silkway0026
                        Silkway0026 4 November 2014 13: 49
                        +1
                        I realized . well and buzzers
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 3 November 2014 18: 23
            +5
            Quote: Pimply
            Tamir missile defense cost - about 5000 bucks


            interesting due to what the cost of the rocket suddenly decreased already in nine times! from $ 45 thousand to five? Have you installed the plastic fairing and removed the "extra" sensors? Well 5 thousand. this is unlikely, I personally heard about the amount of approximately 14-15 thousand dollars for the new missile.
            And in some sources they call the figure of 20 thousand. dollars but not five

            Raytheon will manufacture various components primarily for the Iron Dome missile defense system. In perspective such cooperation will reduce the cost of Tamir interceptor missiles, used in the complex. According to various estimates, at the beginning of mass production, the cost of one missile was about one hundred thousand dollars, but later, as modernization and development of the release the price tag was reduced to about 20 thousand dollars. (The cost of Tamir is one of the weak points of the Iron Dome, since these missiles are used to intercept enemy missiles, the cost of which is extremely rare exceeds a thousand dollars.)

            link
            The source is true Lenta.ru, but the order of the numbers roughly corresponds to the ones I quoted above.

            The Americans give Israel money on the condition that at least half will go to place orders for Rayeton. Rayeton, relatively speaking, serially produces basic components for about 5 thousand. dollars, the cost of the rocket is obtained, and then he sells it to Israel for the same American money for 15 thousand dollars. dollars and everything remains in "chocolate" and the cost of the rocket is 5 thousand. dollars and Rayeton is not at a loss laughing
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 3 November 2014 20: 23
              -1
              Quote: Ascetic
              I wonder why the cost of the rocket suddenly decreased by as much as nine times! from $ 45 thousand to five? Have you installed the plastic fairing and removed the "extra" sensors? Well 5 thousand. this is unlikely, I personally heard about the amount of approximately 14-15 thousand dollars for the new missile.


              http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4358626,00.html&usg=ALkJrhim7HlLFqGY5cEC
              V2uyjmXCiUA7hQ

              Horowitz, one of the leading developers of the system, makes it clear that improved radar has helped reduce the number of sensors in the missile defense. "How much? Two zeros. What used to cost a hundred thousand today is worth several thousand dollars."

              "Cost savings have been made across all elements of the system, but the main savings have come from downsizing and reducing the number of tracking and targeting sensors," the most expensive component.

              Quote: Ascetic
              The source is true Lenta.ru, but the order of the numbers roughly corresponds to the ones I quoted above.



              I give a source for a specific interview with the developer




              Quote: Ascetic
              Rayeton, relatively speaking, serially produces basic components for about 5 thousand. dollars, the cost of the rocket is obtained, and then he sells it to Israel for the same American money for 15 thousand dollars. dollars and everything remains in "chocolate" and the cost of the rocket is 5 thousand. dollars and Rayeton is not at a loss


              It doesn’t work like that
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                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 3 November 2014 21: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: Professor
                  Link is broken ...

                  http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4358626,00.html

                  Corrected
          3. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok 4 November 2014 16: 27
            -3
            and where is the cost of launch service ???
            got their numbers in their Jewish habit. here is the data from the wiki, and there your Israelis did an article:
            Cost of copy: $ 50 million per battery [4]
            20 thousand dollars for the interception (2014) [5]
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 4 November 2014 17: 05
              +2
              Dear, why toil nonsense? Russian missiles defending Moscow are also more expensive than those missiles that they must hit. I hope you understand why this suits us perfectly
              1. Egor65g
                Egor65g 4 November 2014 21: 42
                +1
                And I do not get tired of marveling at the zambirovnosti of local Russian commentators. Guys, you read less stupid nonsense of a padded jacket-mahmud and others like themsmile The system really works, and it works perfectly!
              2. Dry_T-50
                Dry_T-50 5 November 2014 17: 18
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                Dear, why toil nonsense? Russian missiles defending Moscow are also more expensive than those missiles that they must hit. I hope you understand why this suits us perfectly

                In general, building a good 10-12 block ICBM with a normal missile defense system costs 5-6 times cheaper than a missile defense system that can bring it down hi
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 3 November 2014 07: 26
      +2
      Quote: 1812 1945
      Ukraine became interested

      And what kind of shisha? Or did Porosenko decide to pay from his own pocket?
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 3 November 2014 14: 06
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        And what kind of shisha? Or did Porosenko decide to pay from his own pocket?


        Pay with kosher chocolate ...
        Members of the Jewish community of Ukraine were given the opportunity to purchase locally produced kosher sweets in stores. The Ukrainian Kashrut Committee, located in the city of Donetsk, organized the production of a product that Jews of the entire post-Soviet space, kosher chocolate, had been waiting for for many years, observing kashrut.

        Now kosher chocolate "Belgian" in 40 gram bars, chocolates "Belgian fantasies" in wrappers and in boxes of 180 grams are available to everyone. It is known that high-quality dark chocolate has medicinal properties, in particular for cardiovascular diseases. And the kosher chocolate of the Ukrainian Kashrut Committee is not only very tasty, but also belongs to the premium class, as indicated on the packaging.
        link
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    4. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 3 November 2014 10: 32
      +1
      Quote: 1812 1945
      They’ll also steal a couple of aircraft carriers, - in the steppe

      A moat anti-tank for what? Fill with water and forward to the reefs!
  3. Funnels
    Funnels 3 November 2014 06: 01
    +7
    Yes, Ukraine needs it most: a moat, a wall, and a dome on top.
    One question is, who will pay for the banquet?
    1. mik0588
      mik0588 3 November 2014 06: 17
      +5
      Obviously in kind, for there is nothing more!
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 3 November 2014 06: 50
        -1
        In addition, Ukraine, Poland and South Korea became interested in the system.
        No, well, it’s necessary, as if they were interested! This is about how a rogue will go into a Mercedes car dealership and with a smart face will feel, sit behind the wheel, puff out cheeks. Yes, nobody sells rotten pumpkins without 100% prepayment. You see, they became interested, b-- imperfections.
  4. Denis
    Denis 3 November 2014 06: 05
    +2
    interested in the system Ukraine, Poland and South Korea
    Especially highlighted. That's just what they will pay
  5. Balamyt
    Balamyt 3 November 2014 06: 06
    -4
    I think that opposite our "Bulava", the Israeli "iron dome" will be watery! )) wassat
    1. Denis
      Denis 3 November 2014 06: 51
      +3
      Quote: Balamyt
      Israeli "iron dome", will be watery!

      They may be liquid, and Svidomo will be the coolest
      And will jump
    2. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 3 November 2014 06: 58
      +1
      Quote: Balamyt
      I think that opposite our "Bulava", the Israeli "iron dome" will be watery! )) wassat

      He will be a little liquid against the Iskanders. See what the Arabs shoot? These are different variations of SCAD-s, which are already 100 years old at lunch.
      1. Professor
        Professor 3 November 2014 13: 59
        +5
        Quote: Balamyt
        I think that opposite our "Bulava", the Israeli "iron dome" will be watery! )) wassat


        Quote: Al_lexx
        He will be a little liquid against the Iskanders. See what the Arabs shoot? These are different variations of SCAD-s, which are already 100 years old at lunch.

        Learn the materiel for what the LCD is intended and do not carry nonsense. fool
        1. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 5 November 2014 17: 20
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Balamyt
          I think that opposite our "Bulava", the Israeli "iron dome" will be watery! )) wassat


          Quote: Al_lexx
          He will be a little liquid against the Iskanders. See what the Arabs shoot? These are different variations of SCAD-s, which are already 100 years old at lunch.

          Learn the materiel for what the LCD is intended and do not carry nonsense. fool

          LCD is designed to bring down NURSs released from Grad and other RZSO on the ground
          A strategic missile defense is Arrow and David Sling
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 3 November 2014 07: 32
      +8
      Quote: Balamyt
      I think that opposite our "Bulava", the Israeli "iron dome" will be watery! ))

      LCD for this and is not intended, it is more and more on the little things like "Grad". But "Hets" (aka "Arrow") and "David's Sling" are just about this topic.
    4. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 3 November 2014 12: 30
      +4
      Quote: Balamyt
      opposite our "Bulava",

      Comparing two incompatible systems you make a gross mistake. They simply cannot be compared. Even for fun or laughter. This is almost the same as comparing Tomahawk with our Needle.
  6. poultopwar
    poultopwar 3 November 2014 06: 09
    +1
    Apparently the United States has nothing interesting, and the vaunted modern technology, too. After all, stolen from Russia is over ....
  7. shinobi
    shinobi 3 November 2014 06: 11
    +1
    The Yankees recognized their development better? That's it, the world turned upside down. Not only analysts, but also the military can see the northern fox.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 3 November 2014 12: 35
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      Did the Yankees recognize someone else's development better?

      This is not so much the point. They actively participate in the manufacture of this system as a percentage. And why invent a bicycle if it already exists. And the legislation on participation in the manufacture is respected! They have been going to this for a long time.
    2. Professor
      Professor 3 November 2014 14: 00
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      Did the Yankees recognize someone else’s development better? Everything, the world turned upside down.

      The Americans are all right with the inferiority complex. They are happy to buy someone else's weapon. For example, Carl Gustav or Harier.
  8. Federal
    Federal 3 November 2014 06: 21
    +1
    They are not going to buy installations in large quantities, they will take one test, they’ll like to roll one into one, maybe something and they’ll add more technologically to them for the first time.
  9. Andrea
    Andrea 3 November 2014 06: 26
    +2
    It is not clear from whom the states are going to defend themselves with the "Iron Dome", it is designed to destroy unguided missiles. A maneuvering target, therefore, is not capable of hitting. The cost of an anti-missile missile is many times higher than the cost of the weapon. in the event of loss of life or destruction of buildings.
    In the field, this is a shooting from a cannon at sparrows.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 3 November 2014 07: 32
      +2
      It is not clear from whom the states were going to defend themselves with the "Iron Dome",


      the United States scattered around the world military bases that need to be protected somewhere from annoying partisans ...
      The iron dome is a static system ... therefore it is tied to a specific place and this is its main drawback ... in the war with the regular army, the IRON DOME is naturally not capable of causing serious damage.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 3 November 2014 17: 49
        +3
        Quote: The same Lech
        the United States scattered around the world military bases that need to be protected somewhere from annoying partisans ...
        The iron dome is a static system ... therefore it is tied to a specific place and this is its main drawback ... in the war with the regular army, the IRON DOME is naturally not capable of causing serious damage.

        Firstly. Although just imagine that after the US leaves Afghanistan and activates not only the Taliban, but also other Islamist groups there, detachments of "bearded" ones will trample in Tajikistan and grapple with the 201st division. After what period of time will the NURSs fly from the villages to the bases of its regiments? Islamic International is very successful in exchanging experience.
        1. Professor
          Professor 3 November 2014 20: 02
          +2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Primarily. Although now imagine that after the US withdrawal from Afghanistan

          Russia will take its place there.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 3 November 2014 07: 40
      +8
      Quote: Andrea
      . The cost of a missile defense is many times higher than the cost of a weapon

      You better compare the cost of a missile defense with the cost of a covered object and the possible amount of damage. And human lives are generally priceless.
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 3 November 2014 15: 40
      +1
      Quote: Andrea
      . The cost of a missile is many times higher than the cost of a weapon.


      For a long time already, the amounts are comparable. The box office has long cost not the notorious 200 bucks, but from 1000 to 5000 (depending on modifications: in addition, other missiles are even more expensive). Tamir missile defense costs 5000 dollars, not 50000 and 100000, as it once was
      1. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 3 November 2014 16: 24
        +1
        Kassam - 100 dollars. Missile defense - 200 000 $.

        Link, source, by the way - Israeli.

        http://samsonblinded.org/newsru/8320
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 3 November 2014 16: 46
          0
          Quote: Silkway0026
          http://samsonblinded.org/newsru/8320

          Can you tell what kind of source it is? Well for starters. What kind of media is this, what is known, where does the data that these media provide come from, what year the article comes from.
          1. Alexkorzun
            Alexkorzun 3 November 2014 17: 01
            -2
            Abram's daughter is pregnant!
            Yes, he and his daughter do not!
            Well now let him prove it to everyone!

            Is the source Israeli? Well, you Jews, and deal with your own. How to refer to our sources and poke in our nose - you are much more likely. And then he’ve got his own head on? How this looks like you is nothing new.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 3 November 2014 18: 23
              +5
              Illarionov, Echo and Grani are also supposedly Russian sources. Formally.
              1. Silkway0026
                Silkway0026 3 November 2014 19: 45
                +1
                Well, we get to the point where Klitschko, Poroshenko, Yaytsenyuk, Tymoshenko are Ukrainians))))))
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 3 November 2014 20: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: Silkway0026
                  Well, we get to the point where Klitschko, Poroshenko, Yaytsenyuk, Tymoshenko are Ukrainians))))))

                  I’m wondering what makes you a Jew out of a person. A certain origin, education, culture, self-identification?
                  1. Silkway0026
                    Silkway0026 3 November 2014 21: 53
                    +3
                    Who called these geeks Jews?
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 3 November 2014 20: 30
              0
              Quote: Alexkorzun
              Is the source Israeli? Well, you Jews, and deal with your own. How to refer to our sources and poke in our nose - you are much more likely. And then he’ve got his own head on? How this looks like you is nothing new.

              For example, I can write that your horseradish is growing on your forehead. Will I therefore become an authoritative source - after all, I am writing from Russia, on a large Russian resource? I draw this conclusion thanks to my specific analytical skills. Indeed, based on your logic, your horseradish grows on your forehead just because I said so
              1. Alexkorzun
                Alexkorzun 3 November 2014 21: 47
                -1
                are you an authoritative source? no. because, as far as I saw your “duel” with your opponent, you have been presented with enough Israeli sources. or is this not enough?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 3 November 2014 22: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexkorzun
                  are you an authoritative source? no. because, as far as I saw your “duel” with your opponent, you have been presented with enough Israeli sources. or is this not enough?

                  List them
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                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 3 November 2014 23: 53
                      0
                      Quote: Alexkorzun
                      Listen, bubbly, go to hep! What are you doing here, your backyard, where are you handing out directions? The man answered you, you saw these answers. Xepa here you go - show, list. It is necessary - scroll the page, but read, the new-mouthed balabust.


                      So you are not capable of it, my little nervous friend? Well, just go through and find the very Israeli sources and justify their weight, dates of articles, etc.?

                      No, this is not my backyard. I just think that a boor and an ignoramus should know their place. And if you don’t know him, be placed on him. And this, baby, not your backyard
                      1. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 November 2014 00: 09
                        +2
                        Pimpled (1) RU Yesterday, 23:53 PM ↑
                        I just think that a boor and an ignoramus should know their place. And if you don’t know him, be placed on him. And this, baby, not your backyard


                        In how your true gut appeared, the man did tell you the truth.
                        Not much harsh, but the truth.
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 4 November 2014 00: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        In how your true gut appeared, the man did tell you the truth.
                        Not much harsh, but the truth.

                        Oh, but do not tell which one? 8)))
                      3. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 November 2014 00: 43
                        0
                        Pimpled (1) RU Today, 00:37 ↑
                        Oh, but do not tell which one? 8)))


                        Rotten Pimple, rotten and petty laughing
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 4 November 2014 02: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Rotten Pimple, rotten and petty

                        So you’re so killed, you won’t be so killed 8)
                      5. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 November 2014 13: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Rotten Pimple, rotten and petty

                        So you’re so killed, you won’t be so killed 8)


                        Am i killing belay
                        Pimply I just laugh at you, but do not be offended, with your swagger and "wet" fantasies you cause such a feeling in all adequate people.
            3. Neksel
              Neksel 4 November 2014 13: 19
              -1
              Quote: Alexkorzun
              And then he’ve got his own head on? How this looks like you is nothing new.



              Well, according to this theory - is any source in the native language reliable? If you bring an analogy - Rezun for example - is a reliable source for you?
              1. Neksel
                Neksel 4 November 2014 16: 02
                0
                minus is certainly cool. A justify weakly?
  10. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 3 November 2014 06: 53
    +12
    It is for conflicts of low intensity. Of course, this is not a weapon of the battlefield when hundreds and thousands of NURSs are launched at the same time, but the battery may well reflect a volley of 40 Grads launched from individual guides along the military base with a square of 12 for 12 km from a distance from 7 to 70km. T / e is a tactical missile defense primarily oriented against terrorist attacks.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 3 November 2014 07: 07
      +1
      Aron, I'm sorry, but about the Grads and NURSs. You are a little wrong, they can’t even be intercepted in thoughts, it’s impossible technically.
      Although they were intercepted at the training ground, a corner reflector was screwed to a missile projectile.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 3 November 2014 10: 41
        +3
        Are the Palestinians screwing corner reflectors to the "Gradov" rockets? What for?
    2. aleks 62
      aleks 62 3 November 2014 10: 16
      +1
      ....... And what is the real possibility of intercepting "Grads launched from individual guides" as a percentage ?????
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 3 November 2014 10: 51
        +4
        High. Moreover, they knocked them down. And "Grads" and Iranian modernized Gradov missiles, and missiles of its own Iranian design "Fajr-5"
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 3 November 2014 14: 19
      0
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      from a distance of 7 to 70km


      like the improved LCD has a "dead zone" up to 4 km? Or not? 7 km is a lot for short-range complexes. the same Armor for missile armament has a dead zone of only 1,5 km. Therefore, Israel is creating a laser LCD that works just in this "dead zone".
      We are also conducting research under the name "Corrector" at the base of the Bauman Moscow State Technical University with the participation of Almaz-Antey-“Investigation of ways to create a ground-based mobile laser complex for heat-power and functional destruction of air targets”, No other publicly available information yet.
      1. atalef
        atalef 3 November 2014 14: 30
        +3
        Quote: Ascetic
        like the improved LCD has a "dead zone" up to 4 km? Or not? 7 km is a lot for short-range complexes. the same Armor for missile weapons has a dead zone of only 1,5 km

        Well, not so little, LCD works against Grad missiles, and more
        And the minimum distance of Grad is 4 km.
        .Up to 4 km - this is generally mortars, as far as I know there are ideas. but I don’t think that a truly laser weapon and a system against them will be created.
        All the same, it’s a little expensive to bring down mortar shells with a missile defense, and the same with a laser.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 3 November 2014 15: 48
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          All the same, it’s a little expensive to bring down mortar shells with a missile defense, and the same with a laser.


          "Iron beam" Keren barzel) have already been developed and tested. They plan to integrate it into the general control system with the LCD and put it on the border areas with Gaza. It just works in the dead zone of the LCD up to? Km on NURS, mortar shells and small UAVs, and the cost of a "shot" is much less than that of the LCD. "Iron Ray", according to its developers, can make an unlimited number of shots, the cost of each of which it will be measured only by the cost of consumed electricity and depreciation costs. Moreover, the climate in those parts is sunny and cloudless. In the same Eilat, for example.
          The Israelis showed the Iron Ray

  11. Barakuda
    Barakuda 3 November 2014 06: 59
    0
    The system is cool, but for Israel. To Russian realities - sucks completely. Look visually at her, and everything will become clear. I’m writing as a POVnik ...
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 3 November 2014 07: 18
      0
      Yes. It is especially good to unfold this dome in the snow in a 20-degree frost.
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 3 November 2014 07: 38
        0
        Even in Tyumen -30 in winter - normal weather smile I’m silent about Yamal ..
        1. atalef
          atalef 3 November 2014 14: 43
          +4
          Quote: Barracuda
          Even in Tyumen -30 in winter - normal weather. I am generally silent about Yamal ..

          I wonder who will be Yamal, hail shells?
          1. IAlex
            IAlex 4 November 2014 00: 35
            0
            Great kazakhs, or no less great kazakhs, in general, all those who can be contracted in the State Department, and at the shelter a great plan has long been voiced called "burning Rusni to the Pacific Ocean", which has not been heard about this for many years ?. .. How can they do without hail in Siberia, especially when drunk bears with balalaikas will attack them from the forest?
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 November 2014 07: 06
    +3
    This is a base defense weapon. This is what striatum needs to feel safe in foreign territories. From mortar and rocket attacks of low intensity. In general, to recognize someone’s weapon as the best is somehow not American. But in any case, this is an unconditional recognition of the effectiveness of the system.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 3 November 2014 07: 20
      0
      Stationary and purposeful air defense systems, we have already gone through this. "BUK" and "TOR" included - rusty shell nervously smokes on the sidelines. We don’t care which way to shoot, we didn’t like it, the mechvod pressed the pedal and left .. And the shell needs half an hour to get ready. During this time, a couple of anti-radar missiles will arrive at the place.
      1. Alexey1
        Alexey1 3 November 2014 09: 43
        +2
        Are you serious?? fool TTX shell saw ??
      2. Professor
        Professor 3 November 2014 14: 03
        +1
        Quote: Barracuda
        Air defense, we have already gone through this. "BUK" and "TOR" included - rusty shell nervously smokes on the sidelines.

        And what is their effectiveness in real combat conditions? So far, 0.0%? Yeah, he smokes nervously on the sidelines. wink
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 3 November 2014 14: 11
          +1
          And what, the "shell" has already been noted somewhere? Is that in Syria, where he could not prove himself in any way. Although they say that the Syrians saved money and bought "shells" without radar.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 3 November 2014 16: 07
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            Unless in Syria, where he could not prove himself.



            2012 June 22 - A Turkish reconnaissance aircraft RF-4E was shot down near Latakia by Syrian air defense forces. According to foreign media reports (http://www.debka.com), the plane was shot down by the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system. This is indirectly confirmed by the statement of Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov on June 30, 2012 that Russia is ready to provide the Turkish side with objective data on the incident.

            1. Pimply
              Pimply 3 November 2014 16: 25
              +1
              Quote: Ascetic
              According to foreign media reports (http://www.debka.com), the plane was shot down by the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system. TO

              Baby is an extremely non-authoritative source. They like to quote, but the materials there are garbage. What brought down - there were various rumors. In particular, there was information that the anti-aircraft installation. There was no confirmation of the actual work of the Shell.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 3 November 2014 17: 50
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                There was no confirmation of the actual work of the Shell.


                The carapace also has a cannon complex. The plane flew at a very low altitude just within the range of the ZRPK. Although it could have been a Shilka, a ZU-23, a 2,57mm S-60 automatic cannon, and a 100mm KS-19 anti-aircraft gun. The Pantsir has a caliber of 30 mm. The wreckage of the tail section was found with bullet holes; therefore, by their diameter it is easy to determine the caliber of the projectile and, accordingly, the type of artillery system available in service. The Turks themselves admitted that the plane was shot down by a cannon complex, but they did not specify which one.

                "There clearly exists Russian trace"- said one of the diplomats, who formulated the message to Russia:" Syria is not Libya, and any attempt to organize a "no-fly zone" above it will run into one of the most impressive air defense systems on Earth and will be costly for the attacker. "
                "We would not be surprised to learn that these Russian specialists if you don’t press a button, then at least were next to the Syrian officerswho did it, "a source in the Israeli Air Force said.

                link
                All these sayings indirectly hint at the Shell, because the rest of the cannon anti-aircraft weapons does not require the presence of Russian advisers and have been in Syria since Soviet times.
                And the second point, the Shells on the coast are covered by the same Bastions set by Russia, and judging by the scheme, the scout had the task of just opening up the deployment of precisely these complexes.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 3 November 2014 20: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  indirectly hint at the Shell,


                  In fact of the matter. Indirectly. Maybe yes maybe no. By LCD, it’s exactly known what worked
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 3 November 2014 18: 27
              +1
              I'm talking about the case when the Israelis raped them.
      3. atalef
        atalef 3 November 2014 14: 19
        +2
        Quote: Barracuda
        "BUK" and "TOR" included - rusty shell nervously smokes on the sidelines.

        You (as a Pvoshnik - are you sure that Buk and Thor will destroy a volley of Grad or Hurricanes?)
        Quote: Barracuda
        We don’t care which way to bullet, I didn’t like it, the mechanical driver pressed the pedal and left

        Well, it’s clear that I don’t care - but what about the goal?
        Quote: Barracuda
        the mechanical driver put pressure on the pedal and left .. And the shell needs half an hour to gather. During this time, a couple of anti-radar missiles will fly into place.

        From whom anti-radar missiles should fly to the LCD?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 3 November 2014 14: 36
          +2
          Do not meddle in someone else's hollywood.

          And the Buk, Tor, and Pantsir are Russian air defense systems that have nothing to do with the Iron Dome.
  13. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 3 November 2014 07: 18
    +5
    "Interested ... Ukraine ..." Boo-ha-ha! Poroshenko comes to the Jews and says: "Give us the Iron Dome for free, we stood on the Maidan AGAINST RUSSIA!"
  14. Strashila
    Strashila 3 November 2014 07: 22
    +3
    The idea is right ... protecting civilians from terrorist threats.
    Any hit in a civilian object immediately damages with four zeros.
    Even a saved life compensates for all costs.
    And from a political point of view ... the government takes care of its citizens and citizens see this.
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  16. corporal
    corporal 3 November 2014 07: 29
    +2
    As recently as the day before yesterday, they discussed its marine version.
    If the Yankees became interested in foreign weapons, then the system is worth something.
    Therefore, our specialists should analyze its pros and cons.
    IMHO for the protection of our roadblocks and military camps something like that would really help.
  17. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 3 November 2014 07: 43
    -1
    A waste of time and money! This system is only from majahideen ..
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 November 2014 12: 45
      +3
      Quote: dchegrinec
      A waste of time and money! This system is only from majahideen ..

      Of course, in general, the same is not enough.
      With the availability of Grad and Hurricane missiles on the world (Mujahideen) market and the simplicity of their launch, it puts in a rather uncomfortable position both settlements (although this is more of an Israeli problem) and military (stationary bases)
      The question is, what can one (except for the LCD) be counterbalanced by a terrorist attack by Hailstones or Hurricanes (from artillery installations) launched from distances of 20-70 km?
      I'm not saying shoot down, just give a warning on fire in time.
      Therefore, today, in this segment of protection, there is simply no alternative to LCD
      By the way, rockets have not cost 100 tons, 50 tons or 20 tons bucks for a long time
      The price of interceptor missiles at the moment is 5tbaks.
      Of course more expensive than Grad, but not much more expensive than a Hurricane or Tornado.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 3 November 2014 14: 29
        +3
        Barrel systems could significantly reduce the cost of LCD. Especially German 155 mm. Specialist. a shell with ready-made striking elements and a high-precision remote fuse. In theory, they are able to fight even with volley launch from standard installations.

        Quote: atalef
        Of course more expensive than Grad, but not much more expensive than a Hurricane or Tornado.

        In 2005, a rocket with a high-explosive warhead cost 6156,48 rubles for the Grad, 220023,43 rubles for the Uragan, and 2004986,26 rubles for the Smerch.
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        2. atalef
          atalef 3 November 2014 14: 40
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Especially German 155 mm. Specialist. a shell with ready-made striking elements and a high-precision remote fuse. In theory, they are able to fight even with volley launch from standard installations.


          Hello !
          Well, firstly, the keyword is --- IDEA
          Well, and secondly - it is unlikely that it will be cheaper than 5t bucks.
          Quote: Spade
          In 2005, a rocket with a high-explosive warhead for the Grad cost 6156,48 rubles, for the Uragan 220023,43 rubles, for the Smerch 2004986,26 rubles

          Well, you see, in general, in the case of Hurricanes - a missile defense is simply cheaper, but about a tornado - you don’t have to say.
          Of course, they do not have DREAMS, but their Chinese and Iranian counterparts - but I do not think that prices differ dramatically
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 November 2014 14: 47
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Well, firstly, the keyword is --- IDEA

            Cheaper with more or less intensive use. German "Donars" are expensive. But the shell is definitely cheaper than the interceptor missile.
            1. atalef
              atalef 3 November 2014 14: 50
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: atalef
              Well, firstly, the keyword is --- IDEA

              Cheaper with more or less intensive use. German "Donars" are expensive. But the shell is definitely cheaper than the interceptor missile.

              Maybe, but our system has already been worked out, and even if we assume that it is half cheaper, the difference is already not great. ZhK stand on a stream, and rockets (in case of their production in the USA) will be practically free.
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        3. Professor
          Professor 3 November 2014 15: 16
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Barrel systems could significantly reduce the cost of LCD. Especially German 155 mm. Specialist. a shell with ready-made striking elements and a high-precision remote fuse. In theory, they are able to fight even with volley launch from standard installations.

          The barrel systems were tested and turned out to be quite good (cost / effectiveness / collateral damage).

          Quote: Spade
          In 2005, a rocket with a high-explosive warhead cost 6156,48 rubles for the Grad, 220023,43 rubles for the Uragan, and 2004986,26 rubles for the Smerch.

          This is the retail price at the factory outlet. The price with delivery to Gaza through the tunnels is an order of magnitude higher.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 November 2014 15: 55
            0
            Quote: Professor
            The barrel systems were tested and turned out to be quite good (cost / effectiveness / collateral damage).

            Such barrel systems, 155 mm, have appeared recently. They tested, as far as I remember, small-caliber guns.
            1. Professor
              Professor 3 November 2014 16: 01
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              Such barrel systems, 155 mm, have appeared recently. They tested, as far as I remember, small-caliber guns.

              tested the ship's rapid-fire gun USA.

        4. Pimply
          Pimply 3 November 2014 16: 07
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          In 2005, a rocket with a high-explosive warhead cost 6156,48 rubles for the Grad, 220023,43 rubles for the Uragan, and 2004986,26 rubles for the Smerch.

          Tamir Missile Defense - 5000 GREEN
          1. srelock
            srelock 3 November 2014 16: 44
            0
            Tamir Missile Defense - 5000 GREEN


            "Tamir" was not developed on the basis of the AIM-120?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 3 November 2014 16: 51
              +1
              Quote: srelock
              "Tamir" was not developed on the basis of the AIM-120?
              The Washington Post and several other sources claim to be from scratch. AIM-120 was not mentioned anywhere at all, for the first time I hear this topic
              1. srelock
                srelock 3 November 2014 17: 35
                0
                Yes, perhaps you're right. The rocket is more like a cross between AIM-9 and AIM-120. I suppose that the price will be somewhere the same. How do you think?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 3 November 2014 20: 33
                  0
                  Quote: srelock
                  Yes, perhaps you're right. The rocket is more like a cross between AIM-9 and AIM-120. I suppose that the price will be somewhere the same. How do you think?

                  The developer claims that due to the improvement of the radar and new technologies in the development of detection sensors, it was possible to reduce their number (and this was one of the most expensive parts of the missile) and accordingly reduce the cost of anti-missile missiles by two zeros
                  1. srelock
                    srelock 3 November 2014 22: 51
                    0
                    The developer claims that due to the improvement of the radar and new technologies in the development of detection sensors, it was possible to reduce their number (and this was one of the most expensive parts of the missile) and accordingly reduce the cost of anti-missile missiles by two zeros

                    If this is a real statement by the developers, then this is either a revolution in the development of the GOS AR and anti-aircraft missiles in general (it turns out that MANPADS will soon go for $ 1000, or even $ 500 apiece belay ), or a banal advertisement. I think that all the same it is an advertisement and the real price of "Tamir" is in no way lower than "Stinger" or "Cyvinder".
                    However, I won’t be surprised if the final cost for Israel is $ 5000, and the United States compensates for the difference. laughing
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 3 November 2014 23: 05
                      0
                      A revolution is when an unguided rocket. And at the present stage of technological development, this is achievable.
                      1. srelock
                        srelock 4 November 2014 00: 32
                        +2
                        If you mean it, then yes, probably achievable laughing
                    2. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 3 November 2014 23: 21
                      0
                      srelock RU Today, 22:51 PM
                      However, I won’t be surprised if the final cost for Israel is $ 5000, and the United States compensates for the difference.


                      Yes, most likely, it's been a long time for them and so for free smile
                      They’re just used to whining, there’s no money, we are poor, we are unhappy and so on (they need to create the image of a seriously injured people) laughing
        5. srelock
          srelock 3 November 2014 16: 37
          0
          hi
          Barrel systems could significantly reduce the cost of LCD. Especially German 155 mm. Specialist. a shell with ready-made striking elements and a high-precision remote fuse.


          You're right. Guided missile, cheaper than a missile with GOS, but using an artillery system for this is difficult. The initial speed should be more than 1000 m / s (electronics, rudder drives, a gyroscope must withstand such acceleration), a high rate of fire is required (for firing several targets and / or several shells), the mass of such a system is a big question.
          The best solution for today, offered in the "Pantsir" complex. He uses, in fact, guided missiles with multi-channel (including laser) guidance from a ground complex.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 November 2014 18: 31
            0
            Quote: srelock
            You're right. Guided projectile

            This is not a guided projectile, ordinary

            Quote: srelock
            The initial speed should be more than 1000 m / s (electronics, rudder drives, a gyroscope must withstand such acceleration), a high rate of fire is required (for firing several targets and / or several shells), the mass of such a system is a big question.

            Why such an initial speed? They will not shoot down over themselves. The Donar's rate of fire is high enough to not only shoot down a projectile / mine / rocket, but also to get the installation itself.
            1. srelock
              srelock 4 November 2014 00: 07
              0
              This is not a guided projectile, ordinary

              Theoretically, of course, it’s possible to get into the uncontrollable one, but it’s better if only with a radio fuse, or even better with a guided projectile, but a very good missile, etc. This issue is solved at the stage of development work and the most optimal option is selected. For what reasons, artillery was wrapped, request-developers know better.
              Why such an initial speed? They will not shoot down over themselves. The Donar's rate of fire is high enough to not only shoot down a projectile / mine / rocket, but also to get the installation itself.

              The speed of anti-aircraft weapons is a fundamental characteristic. It defines: max. the speed and height of the intercepted targets, the energy reserve to compensate for the possible maneuver of the target, the time of approach to the target, and therefore the time of its irradiation, the time it took for the channel / s to fire at the next target, the time for the target's response. By the way, in LCD, multichannel is realized due to the GOS of the missiles themselves and, in theory, the number of simultaneously fired targets is limited only by the capabilities of the radar to issue a command center and the number of missiles in the launcher (guidance is no longer required), but there are a couple of serious minuses.
              The idea to supplement the LCD batteries with "Donaras" for the rapid suppression of those who like to shoot in cities is quite sensible, especially if everything happens in the "automatic" from the LCD radar.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 4 November 2014 10: 13
                0
                Quote: srelock
                Theoretically, of course, you can get into the uncontrollable

                They practically fell. German KMW during the development of the theme "Smart Camp Defense"

                Quote: srelock
                but better at least with a radio fuse

                A radio fuse that provides detonation at a certain height will only reduce accuracy.

                Quote: srelock
                For what reasons, artillery was wrapped

                Due to the relatively high cost of the AGM and Donar installations and the redundancy of this system for protecting the forward operating bases (FOB). Instead, they decided to use 35-mm automatic cannons as an actuating mechanism. System "MANTIS" (Modular, Automatic and Network capable Targeting and Interception System) - "Praying Mantis"
                But the scheme of action remained the same - a remote fuse, detonation of a 35-mm projectile on the trajectory, the projectile / mortar mine / rocket are affected by a fragmentation field. The system has been tested, adopted and has been supplied to the troops since 2012.

                Quote: srelock
                The speed of anti-aircraft weapons is a fundamental characteristic

                These are not "anti-aircraft weapons", at the moment they are "C-RAM" - Counter Rocket, Artillery and Mortar. And the requirements for such systems are somewhat different. Systems based on 155-mm guns are able to fight even with multiple launch rocket launchers.
                1. srelock
                  srelock 4 November 2014 13: 34
                  0
                  I think "MANTIS" is a perfectly suitable system for the defense of "Smart Camps" from the Mujahideen, since it was adopted. There is still a naval option to make for installation on ships, or maybe they have already done it?
                  As I wrote:The speed of anti-aircraft weapons is a fundamental characteristic... This applies equally to missiles and projectiles. In the case of "C-RAM", a time delay is used for detonation, the higher the initial velocity of the projectile, the higher the accuracy of such a system, the range, and the lower the ammunition consumption.
                  Systems based on 155-mm guns are able to fight even with multiple launch rocket launchers.

                  What is it like? With one shell, several targets at once? Or artillery division vs BM-21 battery?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 4 November 2014 17: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: srelock
                    What is it like? With one shell, several targets at once? Or artillery division vs BM-21 battery?

                    2-3 installations against a battery volley. Even rockets unaffected by fragments will change their trajectories under the influence of a shock wave.
                    1. srelock
                      srelock 4 November 2014 22: 38
                      0
                      On the KMW website (http://www.kmweg.com/home.html), there is one picture

                      and just one suggestion for using AGM as part of C-RAM: The mission spectra of the AGM ranges from classical artillery fire support to the deployment as a C-RAM system.
                      Your statements:
                      Systems based on 155-mm guns can even deal with multiple launch rocket launchers

                      and especially this:
                      2-3 installations against a battery volley. Even rockets unaffected by fragments will change their trajectories under the influence of a shock wave.

                      I think fantasies.
                      MLRS "Grad" is capable of firing 40 rounds in about 20 seconds. The shells on the trajectory, in this case, are at a distance of 100 meters or more from each other and are distributed along it for ten kilometers. To hit such a "sausage" is possible only with the help of a high-precision and rapid-fire air defense system with a sufficient number of missiles and simultaneously fired targets, and even better, an air defense system. Well, or an atmospheric nuclear explosion, then maybe. shockwave and blown away. laughing
      2. Denis fj
        Denis fj 3 November 2014 15: 20
        0
        In the Israeli case, MLRS missiles are controlled by the radar from the start, they fly many kilometers along a well-known path, and therefore there is nothing difficult to bring down. If Israeli radars could not detect missile launch due to active and passive interference, and accurate flight parameters and precise guidance were possible only on the final section of the trajectory, then the iron dome would be a truly unique system. But its cost would be at the level of a serious missile defense, and the iron-dome missiles would be much larger and the Israelis would prefer to lose civilians, rather than spend a wagon of money for every flying blank. In addition, even an outdated city is the ultimate dream of fighters from the Gas Sector. Most often, they shoot very primitive improvised missiles, and at rare moments of serious aggravation in Israeli foreign policy, some Iran drives them several factory-made missiles. A couple of dozen missiles flying randomly for the entire iron dome system is really not a problem. But the real volley of MLRS is not a couple of dozen missiles, it is not a flight of missiles in the style where Allah sends, these are not rocket engines from the ground and sticks. Without tight control of the fighters by Israel, the militants will be able to organize a mass launch with normal factory missiles and faith in the iron dome will fly like smoke.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 3 November 2014 16: 27
          0
          Quote: denis fj
          and the Israelis would prefer to lose civilians, rather than spend a wagon of money for every flying blank.

          Details
      3. padded jacket
        padded jacket 3 November 2014 17: 10
        0
        atalef (5) IL Today, 12: 45 ↑
        Therefore, today, in this segment of protection, there is simply no alternative to LCD
        By the way, rockets have not cost 100 tons, 50 tons or 20 tons bucks for a long time
        The price of interceptor missiles at the moment is 5tbaks.


        And indicate the source of this data, or as always invented yourself? lol
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 3 November 2014 20: 33
          +1
          Quote: quilted jacket
          And indicate the source of this data, or as always invented yourself?

          http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4358626,00.html&usg=ALkJrhim7HlLFqGY5cEC
          V2uyjmXCiUA7hQ
          From very specific interviews. Here, for example, one of them
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 3 November 2014 21: 25
            -1
            Get well that's right

            http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4358626,00.html
  18. combat66
    combat66 3 November 2014 07: 46
    +3
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    the battery may well reflect a volley of 40 Grads launched from individual guides along the military base with a square of 12 by 12 km from a distance of 7 to 70 km. T / e is a tactical missile defense primarily oriented against terrorist attacks.

    Niseba a fig ?! Terrorist bombardment of 40 with hail ?! Somewhere cunning, either in quantity or in terminology. stop
    1. Andrea
      Andrea 3 November 2014 10: 16
      +2
      combat66 BY Today, 07:46

      1-installation-20 shots, the battery, theoretically, can. The fact is that, as they themselves give out (which I think is greatly overestimated), the probability of defeat is 80%, especially since "Grads" are not "Hasans".
    2. atalef
      atalef 3 November 2014 12: 46
      +2
      Quote: combat66
      Niseba a fig ?! Terrorist bombardment of 40 with hail ?! Somewhere cunning, either in quantity or in terminology.

      Yes, even if the 10th?
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    4. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 3 November 2014 20: 47
      +3
      Quote: combat66

      Niseba a fig ?! Terrorist bombardment of 40 with hail ?! Somewhere cunning, either in quantity or in terminology. stop

      I apparently did not exactly put it. Meant 40 NURSES, but not 40 cars. During the last Beer Sheva conflict, 37 NURSES were fired simultaneously from different positions, of which 16 were shot down, and the rest did not fall into the guarded square and were ignored by the system.
    5. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 November 2014 22: 55
      0
      "Grads" are different. The "single-barreled" Grad-P appeared in Vietnam. It was and is being produced by Vietnam, Cuba, China, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, Romania, Syria
  19. Aristarch
    Aristarch 3 November 2014 08: 47
    +2
    Against one or two "missiles" made on the knee in this situation, this dome can and does work, but in a real combat situation with the use of modern missile weapons, this dome will be immediately destroyed.
  20. smith7
    smith7 3 November 2014 09: 08
    0
    "Zh. Kupol" is really cool air defense. The best modern technology can afford. The prospects for modernization are excellent. However, "if something" still does not save. Alas, the means of air attack, and especially the massive use and combined with measures for electronic suppression, can "penetrate" the Iron Dome.
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 November 2014 15: 07
      +3
      Quote: smith7
      Alas, air attack weapons, and especially massive use and combined with electronic suppression measures, can "penetrate" the Iron Dome

      Suppressing the LCD, in order to shell the area with Grads, is expensive.
      Well, in general, the defense consists not only of the LCD, and the electronic warfare stations will also cover the same thing somehow - there are enough funds for this
      The LCD is intended primarily as protection against sudden terrorist attacks.
      Well, in our case - from the city issued by settlements and prom. to enterprises.
    2. atalef
      atalef 3 November 2014 15: 07
      +3
      Quote: smith7
      Alas, air attack weapons, and especially massive use and combined with electronic suppression measures, can "penetrate" the Iron Dome

      Suppressing the LCD, in order to shell the area with Grads, is expensive.
      Well, in general, the defense consists not only of the LCD, and the electronic warfare stations will also cover the same thing somehow - there are enough funds for this
      The LCD is intended primarily as protection against sudden terrorist attacks.
      Well, in our case - from the city issued by settlements and prom. to enterprises.
  21. Aristarch
    Aristarch 3 November 2014 09: 17
    +1
    http://reportage24.ru/news/60523 Work is in full swing. ANTI-PRO

    Source: http://reportage24.ru/news/60523
  22. Aristarch
    Aristarch 3 November 2014 09: 25
    0
    Quote: smith7
    "Zh. Kupol" is really cool air defense. The best modern technology can afford. The prospects for modernization are excellent. However, "if something" still does not save. Alas, the means of air attack, and especially the massive use and combined with measures for electronic suppression, can "penetrate" the Iron Dome.


    smith7 maybe for you this is a really cool air defense and the best that Israel can afford, you should clarify then. And what are the "excellent" prospects for Zh.K. ??
  23. activator
    activator 3 November 2014 09: 26
    0
    Remove from this article one word "Ukraine" and there would be three times less comments. Guys to mine, an iron dome in the form of a bucket on the head protecting from the media and other impulses is simply vital for everyone.
  24. 31rus
    31rus 3 November 2014 10: 10
    +3
    You’ve already gotten rid of cheap cheers by patriots, read, if you have something to think about, and then write. I’ll say one system is good and necessary. I would have stood in the Rostov region, maybe people would not have suffered
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 3 November 2014 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: 31rus
      .It would stand in the Rostov region, maybe people would not suffer

      The Israelis know against whom the Dome is deployed. And why it was conceived in 2007. I quote: "... This is because Hezbollah fired about 4000 rockets in 2006, and Palestinian terrorists in the Gaza Strip fired more than 4258 Qassam rockets. local production over the past eight years, and the Israelis know where each of them ended up ... "They know! Is the shelling of the Rostov region constant, massive and inevitable? No. It is possible. I emphasize, perhaps, there will be such a need in the future. Do not let God, of course. By the way, the site had an article about the "Dome" http://topwar.ru/XNUMX-naskolko-effektiven-zheleznyy-kupol-izrailya.html
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 November 2014 11: 02
      0
      The capabilities of the system are very limited due to weak executive bodies. But if German developments are also screwed to the system, it will be cool.
  25. koksalek
    koksalek 3 November 2014 10: 22
    -2
    It’s not surprising if the Jews donate ears to dead mattresses with delicious sauce
    1. Prager
      Prager 3 November 2014 12: 05
      +1
      they are capable of many things, which are even scary to think about. soldier
  26. coffee
    coffee 3 November 2014 11: 37
    +4
    And we better hit him in a hot place.
  27. padded jacket
    padded jacket 3 November 2014 12: 55
    -1
    Quote: Giant thought
    The very mattress mattresses themselves do not have enough to create something like this.


    Most likely, American firms participated in the development of this complex, it is unlikely that Israel could develop such a high-tech equipment itself:
    The American media reported that the Israeli concert Rafael ordered from the United States components for the Tamir interceptor missiles used by the Iron Dome missile defense system. The deal was valued at $ 149 million. The order was paid from funds allocated by the United States in the form of assistance to the Jewish state.
    The order was received by Raytheon, an American defense company, one of the four major Pentagon suppliers.
    http://newsru.co.il/arch/israel/01oct2014/raytheon_005.html
    Apparently, Israel itself is not able to produce these missiles and their components.
    Again, the order for Israel is not so large, therefore, the purchase of this "product" by the United States expands its sales market smile
    So "hand washes hand"
  28. padded jacket
    padded jacket 3 November 2014 13: 09
    0
    Quote: Signor Tomato
    "Interested ... Ukraine ..." Boo-ha-ha! Poroshenko comes to the Jews and says: "Give us the Iron Dome for free, we stood on the Maidan AGAINST RUSSIA!"


    It is possible and will give for free.
    In any case, religious Jews collect donations for junta punishers, and instructors from Israel volunteers train soldiers of the Ukrainian regime.
    So this is a very real scenario.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 3 November 2014 16: 17
      0
      Quote: quilted jacket
      It is possible and will give for free.


      When did it happen that Jews and Anglo-Saxons gave something for free ?. This contradicts Judaism and the Protestant Anglo-Saxon religion, also known as Judeo-Christianity.
      There will immediately be a congruent dissonance of a rupture of the brain and the undermining of all democratic and civilizational foundations and norms of free civilized people who are a special people and a chosen nation. laughing
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 3 November 2014 16: 30
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        This contradicts Judaism and the Protestant Anglo-Saxon religion, also known as Judeo-Christianity.

        Details
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 3 November 2014 17: 01
        0
        Ascetic SU Today, 16:17 ↑
        When did it happen that Jews and Anglo-Saxons gave something for free ?.


        Here I completely agree with you "a brain rupture will definitely be" laughing But this is an extraordinary case, the "Iron Dome" will be designed to repel a retaliatory strike by the army of Novorossiya or Russia in cases of its intervention in the conflict.
        And Russian harm in some circles is considered to be valor (for this it is not a sin to deliver for free).
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 3 November 2014 21: 26
          +1
          Quote: quilted jacket
          And Russian harm in some circles is considered to be valor (for this it is not a sin to deliver for free).

          No, it’s usually considered as valor to talk about how the whole world wants to harm Russians.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 3 November 2014 22: 27
            -1
            Pimpled (1) RU Today, 21:26 ↑

            No, it’s usually considered as valor to talk about how the whole world wants to harm Russians.


            Judging by the situation in the world around Russia (sanctions, rabid lies and threats to it), all the same, I'm right, not you.
            Or introducing sanctions against Russia, the whole world wants to help her?
            Strange you have some kind of point of view.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 3 November 2014 23: 54
              +1
              Quote: quilted jacket

              Judging by the situation in the world around Russia (sanctions, rabid lies and threats to it), all the same, I'm right, not you.

              I wonder how did this situation come about?
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 4 November 2014 00: 16
                -1
                Pimpled (1) RU Yesterday, 23:54 PM ↑
                I wonder how did this situation come about?


                Where do you live in Russia or maybe in Israel?
                If in Russia, you should know.
                You have a flag like Russia.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 4 November 2014 00: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  Where do you live in Russia or maybe in Israel?
                  If in Russia, you should know.
                  You have a flag like Russia.

                  Well, I'm interested in your opinion 8)
                  I then come to the circus - look at the clowns
                  1. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 4 November 2014 00: 48
                    -1
                    Pimpled (1) RU Today, 00:38 ↑
                    I then come to the circus - look at the clowns

                    That there is a mirror in front of you, and you see your reflection in it belay
                    I didn’t know that you performed in the circus laughing
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 4 November 2014 02: 10
                      0
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      That there is a mirror in front of you, and you see your reflection in it
                      I didn’t know that you performed in the circus

                      No, not a pretext. Weak
                      1. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 November 2014 11: 37
                        0
                        Yes, I don’t care whether it seems weak to you or not, with you everything is clear smile
      3. prio124
        prio124 3 November 2014 20: 05
        +1
        Damn well wrapped up wassat
    2. prio124
      prio124 3 November 2014 20: 07
      0
      A legitimate question, so who is in power in Ukraine then. With whose hands it became clear ... but still?
  29. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 3 November 2014 13: 55
    +1
    Quote: Aristarchus
    Against one or two "missiles" made on the knee in this situation, this dome can and does work, but in a real combat situation with the use of modern missile weapons, this dome will be immediately destroyed.


    Here, damn it, now you still have to slap some "kumpol", tireless western dreamers-a problem for Russia! stop
  30. Egor65g
    Egor65g 3 November 2014 17: 03
    +3
    With tenderness, I revered the friendly condemnation of the Israeli working systems by Russian patriots and camouflaged support for FILYSTIN BARTS for jihad and freedom wink
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 3 November 2014 17: 09
      0
      And you by chance will not be a supporter of the separatist-caloborist Maidan?
      1. Egor65g
        Egor65g 3 November 2014 17: 13
        +1
        I do not understand your slang wink
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 3 November 2014 17: 16
          +1
          Yes, yes, we understood ... yes
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      2. Dan4eG
        Dan4eG 3 November 2014 17: 16
        +1
        What does it mean by chance? He is not fundamentally a supporter of the separatist-caloboritionist Maidan!
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 3 November 2014 17: 18
          -1
          And what have you got to do with it? what
          1. Dan4eG
            Dan4eG 4 November 2014 08: 50
            +1
            Yes, all that !! bully
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    3. prio124
      prio124 3 November 2014 20: 13
      +1
      I am surprised to learn about the support of the Ukrainian authorities by part of Izrailaytyan. As in one of the programs on Channel 1, some politician from Ukraine said about the Bandera, like, well, that this is part of our society. So simple. Part and all.
  31. IAlex
    IAlex 3 November 2014 17: 05
    0
    The fact that it will turn out to be no worse than some versions of the Patriots, and according to the modern control system is probably even cooler than the Patriot, it’s for sure, is especially pleased that the launch platform has 20 Tamir missiles right away, only with mobility it is no better than the Patriot and the price is not clear. .. It is a pity that you can not talk on the forum with people who were still developing the electronic part: (((
    1. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 3 November 2014 17: 21
      +1
      Why does he need mobility? This is not about air defense for a throw march, it is about protecting cities and prom. objects within the country. Air defense on the march is performed by the Air Force and tank troops! laughing
    2. Barakuda
      Barakuda 3 November 2014 17: 26
      0
      Quote: IAlex
      It is a pity that you can not talk on the forum with people who were still developing the electronic part


      Didn't develop, but specifically served. I wonder how they tore the harnesses with crowbars, crowbars, so the triode lamps sat in place. And more than one microcircuit in "BUK", "OSA", "TOP". This is already being translated into digital.
  32. Barakuda
    Barakuda 3 November 2014 17: 12
    0
    Ev.re.i got into a conversation. - Do not expect good. Let the Poisson integral be better sought.
    1. Egor65g
      Egor65g 3 November 2014 17: 16
      +2
      Quote: Barracuda
      Ev.re.i got into a conversation.
      ev.re.i and in conversation from the very beginning smile Do you dislike them?
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 3 November 2014 17: 19
        0
        We are more likely to joke with distant relatives ... laughing
      2. Barakuda
        Barakuda 3 November 2014 17: 30
        0
        Life somehow teaches.
  33. IAlex
    IAlex 3 November 2014 17: 22
    0
    Quote: Dan4eG
    Why does he need mobility? This is not about air defense for a throw march, it is about protecting cities and prom. objects within the country. Air defense on the march is performed by the Air Force and tank troops! laughing


    And if four brigades cover the city from four sides, one covering was destroyed, and then what? Can they be quickly divided and partly moved to the place of those destroyed?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 3 November 2014 20: 36
      +1
      Quote: IAlex
      one covering was destroyed

      First you need to destroy it. You somehow forget that the LCD part of the multilayer security system
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 3 November 2014 20: 51
        0
        Yes, it’s clear, but for this you need to develop your own missiles, and for their development you need to take engineers, and for this you need to create a ministry of education, etc.

        Here the question was about mobility, and not about everything else ...
  34. IAlex
    IAlex 3 November 2014 17: 38
    +1
    By the way, what happened to Iron Beam, because nothing has been heard about it for a long time ...
  35. padded jacket
    padded jacket 3 November 2014 17: 44
    -1
    About Iron Dome smile :
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 3 November 2014 18: 16
      0
      From $ 50000 bucks for a rocket against a rocket from the city, it’s tough, and then wildly vague doubts torment me for a small rocket for SPIKE with their produced volume is about $ 130000 ... I thought hail was the goal of cheap Iron Beam, but here it’s not intellectual divorce from a country where all the smartest ...
  36. padded jacket
    padded jacket 3 November 2014 18: 07
    +1
    Hamas guerrillas retaliate against the aggressor.
    Notice how many missiles they launch at a time, no more than a dozen smile this is one of the reasons for the "high efficiency of the" Iron Dome "
    The second reason is that the missiles are extremely primitive, and their accuracy is extremely low (they simply do not fall into the goals chosen for them):
  37. padded jacket
    padded jacket 3 November 2014 18: 15
    -2
    The missile charge is also extremely small and cannot do any serious harm (I liked it as Tsypa Livni said - Israel restrains Hamas by striking in Gaza, that is, brutally destroying old people, women and children in the sector):
  38. padded jacket
    padded jacket 3 November 2014 18: 25
    +3
    Here's another footage of Hamas' retaliatory strike against the Israeli regime. Again, two or three, maximum five missiles. In many ways, this is the only reason Israel knocks them down, they need to strike simultaneously, with dozens of missiles then something can be said about the effectiveness of the Iron Dome
    In the meantime, this is just an advertisement or, if you like, a fairy tale invented in order to successfully sell this rather dubious "product":
    1. prio124
      prio124 3 November 2014 20: 02
      0
      I apologize, I expressed something similar below
  39. Leshiy62
    Leshiy62 3 November 2014 18: 32
    -2
    After the downed "Boeing" there were many articles about the fact that the Russian army no longer had "POINT U" complexes, but an article and a video on the site of the RUSSIAN NEWSPAPER proves the opposite. PS. I just don't know how to leave a link
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 November 2014 18: 46
      +4
      Quote: LeShiy62
      After the downed "Boeing" there were many articles about the fact that the Russian army no longer had the "POINT U

      And what does Tochka-U have to do with the downed plane?
    2. IAlex
      IAlex 3 November 2014 19: 53
      0
      You look at the Prenchenkiv parade, then look at the fact that a week before that Kiev announced that they had Tochka-U, and then you can look at the same Wikipedia why do you need Tochka-U and what does it have to do with Boeing ...
      1. builder
        builder 3 November 2014 23: 55
        0
        It’s too difficult for him.
  40. Afblgh
    Afblgh 3 November 2014 19: 49
    +1
    Quote: Denis fj
    PROFESSOR Don't be nervous: nobody says IRON DOME is a bad system. This is a very good system, but, like any missile defense system, it can only work effectively for a limited amount of time. Hamas missiles today do not have a maneuvering system in flight, which means that their trajectory is calculated according to the laws of ballistics relatively easily. Now, if they have maneuvering warheads ... wink

    And they boasted on their websites that they had developed rockets with a variable trajectory and flight speed. I didn’t remember what they called, like the S-100
  41. TOR2
    TOR2 3 November 2014 19: 51
    +1
    And why did mattresses need a specific weapon designed for a specific conflict?
  42. prio124
    prio124 3 November 2014 20: 00
    0
    I don't see the point of minus the article. It is informative. Or like an ostrich "in the sand"?
    You need to know what a likely adversary can use. Understand this and give an adequate rebuff (or pressure as you like) According to media reports, they have really proved themselves not bad, but what will happen with massive shelling?
    1. Netwallker
      Netwallker 3 November 2014 20: 52
      +3
      Firing will be destroyed by UAVs, in 10-15 seconds.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 3 November 2014 21: 14
        -1
        Quote: Netwallker
        Firing will be destroyed by UAVs, in 10-15 seconds.


        Well, this is already a fairy tale, the installation can produce a volley even without being near the operator.
        So in the best case, the PU itself will be destroyed, and not the calculation serving it.
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 3 November 2014 22: 26
          0
          PU - for an old pipe cut with a stump of a discarded wire in the amount of $ 2, it sounds too pathetic ...
  43. padded jacket
    padded jacket 3 November 2014 23: 34
    -1
    Here's another hit of the rocket in the parking lot, and again we see the charge on it is extremely small, even in order to cause serious harm to the cars standing there:

    The rocket attack on Ashdod 10.07.14/XNUMX/XNUMX:
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 4 November 2014 00: 22
      0
      Sami saw the article an article from Israel where it is alleged that they are fired by Russian missiles with 25 kg of TNT ... wink And it was told about the next wunderwafle ...
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 4 November 2014 00: 26
        0
        Quote: IAlex
        Sami saw the article an article from Israel where it is alleged that they are fired by Russian missiles with 25 kg of TNT ... wink And it was told about the next wunderwafle ...


        Again they compose fairy tales; they are masters in this smile
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 4 November 2014 00: 56
          0
          Are you talking about the fabulous time of the 17th?
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      2. Pimply
        Pimply 4 November 2014 00: 39
        +1
        Quote: IAlex
        Sami saw an article in an article from Israel where it is alleged that they were fired with Russian rockets with 25 kg of TNT ... And it was told about the next wunderwafel ...

        Do you find this article? 8) And somehow it is difficult to perceive the information from your words exactly 8)
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 4 November 2014 00: 43
          0
          http://stop-news.com/262-kak-eto-proishodit.html
          So that’s fine?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 4 November 2014 02: 13
            +1
            Quote: IAlex
            http://stop-news.com/262-kak-eto-proishodit.html
            So that’s fine?


            And for something adequate?
            1. IAlex
              IAlex 5 November 2014 09: 35
              0
              Quote: Pimply
              http://stop-news.com/262-kak-eto-proishodit.html
              So that’s fine?


              What claims then? I said that I read, you asked for a lead, I brought a dislike, write to the author of the article ...
          2. tilix
            tilix 4 November 2014 11: 10
            +2
            Only for you
            http://stop-news.com/2537-raketa-perehvatchik-zheleznogo-kupola-opustilas-v-stoi
            mosti.html
  44. padded jacket
    padded jacket 3 November 2014 23: 49
    -1
    Continuation of the previous clip -What was it? What was it? (And that was Hamas’s retaliatory strike)
    Ashdod 10.07.14/XNUMX/XNUMX:
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 3 November 2014 23: 56
      +1
      The quality of these Palestinian missiles is simply impressive, for near zero, from 7 - 8 absolutely simple missiles only 4 exploded, why are they so greedy then? Couldn't they buy technology for their production for American money in North Korea or something newer ...
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 4 November 2014 00: 21
        0
        Quote: IAlex
        The quality of these Palestinian missiles is simply impressive, for near zero, from 7 - 8 absolutely simple missiles only 4 exploded, why are they so greedy then? Couldn't they buy technology for their production for American money in North Korea or something newer ...


        Yes, the missiles are simply primitive and Jewish, there is nothing to be proud of that they shoot down part of them (most of them just fly by lol )
        So all these attempts with the "Iron Dome" are just outright advertising (deception, potential buyers) and that's it.
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 4 November 2014 00: 41
          0
          I am outraged at where the great flight of military thought is ... Well, they would have taken and digged underground to the cities, dragged there many thousands of explosives and blew up, well, or trained terrorist pigeons that would have stuffed plastid with shrapnel in the ass, well, or drilled if the city water pipes would have trampled down something or something, well, or have come up with something else that’s not trivial, the Jews won’t think of inventing it all the time, but they’re satisfied with these attempts, so they don’t want to win so much ...
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 4 November 2014 00: 40
        0
        Quote: IAlex
        The quality of these Palestinian missiles is simply impressive, for near zero, from 7 - 8 absolutely simple missiles only 4 exploded, why are they so greedy then? Couldn't they buy technology for their production for American money in North Korea or something newer ...


        Which of these. And in what period. Now about a dozen species are used. More in detail
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 4 November 2014 00: 48
          +1
          Those in the video ...
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 4 November 2014 02: 14
            +1
            Quote: IAlex
            Those in the video ...

            Well, if a person chooses what is more convenient for him to imagine and you are guided by this ...
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            2. IAlex
              IAlex 5 November 2014 11: 00
              0
              Quote: Pimply
              Quote: IAlex
              Those in the video ...

              Well, if a person chooses what is more convenient for him to imagine and you are guided by this ...

              Are you talking to yourself?
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  45. INF
    INF 4 November 2014 00: 13
    +2
    In addition, Ukraine, Poland and South Korea became interested in the system.


    Ukraine is now only interested and enough ...
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 4 November 2014 00: 49
      +1
      As the hail appeared on the game on safari, it immediately interested me, they themselves do not like the hail, they prefer the Mediterranean sun ...
  46. padded jacket
    padded jacket 4 November 2014 01: 09
    -1
    Quote: IAlex
    Are you talking about the fabulous time of the 17th?


    Yes, they almost always compose, that’s how they work.
    People of trade. Sell, buy, deceive if you can, that's their whole essence. laughing
    True, from far away they can shoot peaceful Arabs (they prefer to kill women, children and the elderly)
    1. Death Nik1
      Death Nik1 4 November 2014 01: 39
      0
      Quote: quilted jacket
      Yes, they almost always compose, that's how they work



      Oh quilted jacket, whose cow mumbled about writing, yours was silent. I remember you proved with foam at the mouth how cool it is for the Russian economy that the dollar rose to 38 rubles. To date, the rate is more than 43 rubles. Come on, amateur accountant, write how cool it is.
  47. padded jacket
    padded jacket 4 November 2014 01: 49
    0
    Smert Nik1 (3) IL Today, 01:39 ↑
    Oh quilted jacket, whose cow mumbled about writing, yours was silent. I remember you proved with foam at the mouth how cool it is for the Russian economy that the dollar rose to 38 rubles. To date, the rate is more than 43 rubles. Come on, amateur accountant, write how cool it is.


    Well, you are famous storytellers, this is an axiom laughing
    The course of 43 rubles ah-ah-ah, I’ll tell you a terrible secret (only you don’t tell anyone)
    All the streets of cities strewn with the corpses of people who died of starvation. Do you believe it, no? smile
    Have you also escaped from the circus like Pimple? lol
    1. Death Nik1
      Death Nik1 4 November 2014 02: 12
      -2
      Quote: quilted jacket

      Well, you are famous storytellers, this is an axiom
      The course of 43 rubles ah-ah-ah, I’ll tell you a terrible secret (only you don’t tell anyone)
      All the streets of cities strewn with the corpses of people who died of starvation. Do you believe it, no?
      Have you also escaped from the circus like Pimple?


      Vatnik, the whole world is a theater and only one northern country in the world is a circus. In any case, no one claims to be your clown, do not worry. As for the corpses on the streets, I basically saw, but I know for sure that when the dollar grows by leaps and bounds, this is not good. And you, as a stewardess in a falling liner, are all trying to assure passengers that a steep peak is a great thing that improves flight performance.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 4 November 2014 10: 33
        +2
        Quote: Smert Nik1
        only one northern country in the world is a circus.

        Are you sure? For example, the main US claim to China is precisely that the PRC artificially inflates the dollar against the renminbi, tell you why? Or guess yourself?

        A high buck is beneficial to the state. High bucks benefit export-oriented industries. High bucks are not profitable to retail chains and other import-oriented industries. It concerns an ordinary consumer to a lesser extent - market mechanisms are already working here.
        1. Death Nik1
          Death Nik1 4 November 2014 19: 26
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          A high buck is beneficial to the state. High bucks benefit export-oriented industries. High bucks are not profitable to retail chains and other import-oriented industries. It concerns an ordinary consumer to a lesser extent - market mechanisms are already working here.


          Is it profitable for you, ordinary inhabitants? If yes. then why did the sharp appreciation in 98 excite the average people so much? It would seem that happiness rolled the dollar 3 times soared.
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 4 November 2014 11: 28
        0
        Smert Nik1 (3) IL Today, 02:12
        Vatnik, the whole world is a theater and only one northern country in the world is a circus. In any case, no one claims to be your clown, do not worry. As for the corpses on the streets, I basically saw, but I know for sure that when the dollar grows by leaps and bounds, this is not good. And you, as a stewardess in a falling liner, are all trying to assure passengers that a steep peak is a great thing that improves flight performance.


        Yes, I know, I am this country (extremely small and not quite decent)) it is located to the north of Sudan, there is one "God's chosen" people smile
        But if you affirm that this country is a CIRCUS (and you better know because you live in it), then it can only be A SHAPITO CIRCUS.
        Yes, and worship of the dollar, developed just in such countries as traders and similar shopkeepers.
        So do not worry so much for Russia, worry better for your illegal territorial formation, the present borders of which no country in the world recognizes laughing
        1. Silkway0026
          Silkway0026 4 November 2014 15: 31
          +2
          Colleagues, summing up the discussion of what a wonderful, reliable, trouble-free, and most importantly, cheap system Iron du Железr̶sh̶l̶a̶g̶ dome, it is necessary to note the fact that everyone who sings along with the United States, involuntarily or not, are forced to buy the works of the American military-industrial complex. The Americans do it with varying success, despite, often, the obvious weakness of the iconic products of the American industry: the "invisible" Northrop B-2 Spirit; "invisible" F-117, "invisible" Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II; SAM MIM-104 "Patriot".

          B-2: 2,1 billion apiece, during the NATO war against Yugoslavia (1999) two B-2 planes were shot down: the first (88-0329, “The Spirit of Missouri”) was shot down on May 20 over the Belgrade suburb of S-300P air defense system , the second (88-0332, “The Spirit of Washington”) was shot down on June 1 and fell in Croatia.

          F-117: 2 pieces were shot down by the old Pechora by the Serbs, who "did not know that he was invisible"

          F-35: an excellent aircraft, though the engine often lights up at startup ... vertical take-off / landing leads to overheating and fire, according to the results of the simulation, it lost to Migam and Sushki cleanly. It can’t fly in the rain, the last remnants of invisibility are washed off by rain in a few minutes.

          Patriot: maximum 170 km, minimum 60 m., Leads only 8 targets, a directed start, it is necessary to turn around, you need a satellite for adjustment, response 90 seconds. Deprecated since the advent of the C-300 (which, incidentally, will soon begin to be removed from service).

          Despite the high cost, complexity and inconsistency with the declared parameters, the Americans are insolently forcing their "allies" to purchase their products.
          Israel, judging by the above-described news, is also trying to sell its ingenious achievements to "friends" and others. The Hindus, not being tightly connected either with the Americans or with Israel, "dared" to abandon the wonderful Iron Kumpol. Indian Air Force Commander Norman Anil Kumar Brown was delicate. According to him, the Israeli missile defense system is not suitable for the Indian military. At the same time, Brown did not specify which parameters of the system do not meet the requirements of the military. Korea may be more convincingly influenced by American and Israeli MIC lobbyists. Ukraine would buy Kumpola at a run, just to please someone, if only not Russia (they have now had this trend for a couple of decades). There is nothing wrong with Israel, that's all true, this is a business, it needs to be promoted ... Another thing is whether potential buyers of Iron Kumpol understand that their possible opponents can shoot at the happy owners of Kumpol not only with scraps of sewer pipes stuffed with a simple mixture of white sugar with potassium nitrate KNO3 and flying along a primitive unchanging trajectory? ... And yes, and volleys of several sewer pipes at the same time also lead to a deliberate breakdown of the k̶u̶m̶p̶o̶l̶a̶, sorry - Domes.
        2. Death Nik1
          Death Nik1 4 November 2014 19: 46
          0
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Yes, I know, I am this country (extremely small and not quite decent)) it is located to the north of Sudan, there is one "God's chosen" people
          But if you affirm that this country is a CIRCUS (and you better know because you live in it), then it can only be A SHAPITO CIRCUS.


          Padded jacket, your boring answer to nagging is like. Why would you invent a wit more ingeniously? Disgrace only.

          Quote: quilted jacket

          Yes, and worship of the dollar, developed just in such countries as traders and similar shopkeepers.

          You sometimes padded jacket you start to throw guano on the fan and do not understand that this guano will fly back to you in a much larger amount. Well, you called the Jews traders. Nothing wrong. But if I write for comparison, something similar about Russians will be much more offensive to you. After all, if I split up I can write a lot of things about Russians, it will not rust after me. You would have thought when and where to engage in ethnic hatred.

          Quote: quilted jacket

          So do not worry so much for Russia, worry better for your illegal territorial formation, the present borders of which no country in the world recognizes

          I am writing to you for the second time. I'm not worried about Russia, I'm trying to understand you. You wrote a couple of weeks ago that raising the dollar is fine. Today, the dollar has risen even higher - do you think this is even better? Just answer yes or no.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 4 November 2014 20: 19
            +1
            Smert Nik1 (3) IL Today, 19:46 ↑
            Padded jacket, your boring answer to nagging is like. Why would you invent a wit more ingeniously? Disgrace only.


            Why? Why, I just wrote the truth about the Tel Aviv regime.
            Are you upset?
            Do not bear anything laughing
            You sometimes padded jacket you start to throw guano on the fan and do not understand that this guano will fly back to you in a much larger amount.

            But don’t you know that since ancient times, Jews have been mainly engaged in trade and usury (that is, they gave people a ruble and took away five) largely because of this they were expelled, from some countries there were Jewish pogroms.
            After all, if I split up I can write a lot of things about Russians, it will not rust after me.


            I didn’t even doubt that over time your gut will show itself and you will pour mud on the Russians.
            You’re looking at you and more and more convinced that it’s just happiness and joy, that such people have left.
            If we have something, God forbid, it starts, such "men" at best will organize sabotage and acts of sabotage, and at worst they will shoot our soldiers in the back.
            It is very good that you have now shown your true face.
            1. Death Nik1
              Death Nik1 4 November 2014 22: 34
              +2
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Why? Why, I just wrote the truth about the Tel Aviv regime.


              You have to grow to such a regime as in TA for another 100 years. Our presidents do not sit for 4-5 terms, changing the laws for themselves as they please. We also do not have a turnout of 146%. And our president knows very well that he is a citizen like everyone else. In case of violations, the law will not see that he is president. Go to jail like a darling.


              Quote: quilted jacket

              Are you upset?

              Why do you think so? You have me instead of KVN.

              Quote: quilted jacket

              Do not bear anything


              You better tell your wife that she should live with you. Your tediousness and lack of logic is simply a reflection of your inner state.

              Quote: quilted jacket
              But don’t you know that Jews from ancient times were mainly engaged in trade and usury (that is, they gave people a ruble and took away five)

              The trouble is what, the Jews gave money in growth. And today a nice man, what are banks doing? Do not want to give interest, have a head do not get into debt. Of course proud ancestors usurers, not good. And if you look at who the ancestors of the average Russian were even say 150 years ago, you get a much more sad picture. 160 years ago, your grandmother’s grandmother, a quilted jacket, could be sold under a newspaper ad along with some purebred dog. And if you think that the Jews remained the same money-lenders, then what should I think of the Russians?

              Quote: quilted jacket

              they were expelled from some countries and there were Jewish pogroms.


              Pogroms against Jews were not arranged because all Jews allegedly drink the blood of the indigenous population. There was no one to simply protect the Jews; they did not have their own statehood. Smashed by the way, not only the Jews. For example, in the late 80s, Russians were smashed in Dushanbe. They raped and killed Russian women in the streets. And the reason for the pogroms was copied from the Russian pogroms of the beginning of the century, they say the Russians in Central Asia drink the blood of the indigenous population. And there was no one to protect those Russians. I won’t spread about Chechnya, but it was even worse there. In vain you are proud that the Russians staged pogroms against the Jews. The phenomenon is shameful.

              Quote: quilted jacket
              I didn’t even doubt that over time your gut will show itself and you will pour mud on the Russians.
              You’re looking at you and more and more convinced that it’s just happiness and joy, that such people have left.
              If we have something, God forbid, it starts, such "men" at best will organize sabotage and acts of sabotage, and at worst they will shoot our soldiers in the back.
              It is very good that you have now shown your true face.


              Well, it’s just that guano has come down from you. Vatnik, all you wrote here is again UG. Try once more expressively to describe how I will shoot in the back.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 4 November 2014 23: 08
                -1
                You have to grow to such a regime as in TA for another 100 years. Our presidents do not sit for 4-5 terms, changing the laws for themselves as they please. We also do not have a turnout of 146%.


                Yes, it’s just wonderful that we have no president like yours laughing .
                We have a president whom he respects (and it is a sin to hide that some are afraid).
                Why do you think so? You have me instead of KVN.

                Well, you see how good you are laughing at me, I am above you.
                Pogroms against Jews were not arranged because all Jews allegedly drink the blood of the indigenous population. There was no one to simply protect the Jews; they did not have their own statehood. Ksati was smashed not only by Jews.

                Do not tell tales. Jewish pogroms were organized precisely because of your usury and other deceit of the common people, and not only in Russia.
                In 1806, during the Russo-Turkish war, Jews were beaten by Romanians and Turkish soldiers.

                In August 1819, starting in Wartburg, pogroms swept all over Germany and spread to Denmark, the Czech Republic, Austria, Poland, with the exception of the Prussian kingdom. Pogroms were limited to robberies and destruction of synagogues: a little blood was shed. The wave of pogroms was followed by a wave of emigration of Jews to the USA and France. After the anti-Jewish unrest flared up again in Germany in 1830, 1834, 1844 and 1848.
                Oh, all the rest, I will not cite but there were not a few of them in different countries.
                Well, it’s just that guano has come down from you. Vatnik, all you wrote here is again UG. Try once more expressively to describe how I will shoot in the back.

                What is UG decrypt?
                I did not say that it was you who would shoot in the back, I wrote people like you.
                But because you broke up the tour, is that your phrase?
                After all, if I split up I can write a lot of things about Russians, it will not rust after me.

                I will not be surprised at this.
                Therefore, I am very glad that you left Russia.
                1. Death Nik1
                  Death Nik1 5 November 2014 20: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: quilted jacket

                  Yes, it’s just wonderful that we have no president like yours.
                  We have a president whom he respects (and it is a sin to hide that some are afraid).

                  Well, against the backdrop of Medvedev, he is really a person, but answer me. The power in your country now belongs to the Russians or not?



                  Quote: quilted jacket

                  Jewish pogroms were arranged precisely because of your usury and other deceit of the common people, and not only in Russia.


                  Well, judging by your logic, the Russian pogroms in Asia and in Chechnya were also arranged because of their deception of the simple local people.





                  Quote: quilted jacket


                  Therefore, I am very glad that you left Russia.


                  You say that it is against Zionism, but in reality you are a Zionist. You are glad that Jews are leaving Russia and for the most part they are leaving for Israel. Zionism is, after all, a gathering of Jews in their homeland.
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  48. padded jacket
    padded jacket 4 November 2014 19: 54
    +1
    Quote: Smert Nik1


    Is it profitable for you, ordinary inhabitants? If yes. then why did the sharp appreciation in 98 excite the average people so much? It would seem that happiness rolled the dollar 3 times soared.


    What kind of uneducated Smert Nik1 are you, or haven’t you been at school yet?
    The dollar, as you rightly say, rose 3 times.
    And now how much? By 15-20% do you feel the difference? Yes, and loans now, the population is mainly in rubles.
    Inflation is useful small and gradual, not a triple jump smile
    Moreover, nobody buys foreign goods and products from us. I’m buying, for example, only domestic products (with the exception of shrimp, well, I love them), and in general, what can be bought from us for dollars?
    We have ruble prices everywhere.
    Deposits and salaries, but in dollar terms are getting smaller.
    But there is no particular tragedy in this, it is a market tomorrow, for example, the dollar may fall, or in general no one will collapse, does not know for sure.
    1. Death Nik1
      Death Nik1 4 November 2014 22: 02
      -1
      Quote: quilted jacket
      And now how much? By 15-20% do you feel the difference?

      Please write pliz for me unlearned how do you get these same 15-20%?
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 4 November 2014 22: 13
        +1
        Quote: Smert Nik1
        Quote: quilted jacket
        And now how much? By 15-20% do you feel the difference?

        Please write pliz for me unlearned how do you get these same 15-20%?


        The fact that you do not learn is very bad, but I advised you to read books, if you know how to.
        I think from the approximate level of 35 rubles that was in our previous conversation.
        And what level are you probably with a proportion of 1 ruble = 1 dollar.
        How is it during the USSR? winked
        1. Death Nik1
          Death Nik1 4 November 2014 22: 44
          +2
          Quote: quilted jacket
          The fact that you do not learn is very bad, but I advised you to read books, if you know how to.
          I think from the approximate level of 35 rubles that was in our previous conversation.

          Naturally, you are the only and not repeatable. you are one of us in the light of world science. Take the dollar at the beginning of the year. Now show annual growth in percent at today's rate. Don't need a lot of words, just write the math.
          1. Egor65g
            Egor65g 4 November 2014 22: 50
            +3
            Math ??? Padded jacket !!!
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 5 November 2014 00: 12
              +1
              Quote: Egor65G
              Math ??? Padded jacket !!!

              Bggggy laughing laughing laughing
          2. padded jacket
            padded jacket 4 November 2014 23: 14
            -1
            Why so modest since the beginning of the year?
            Come on since the USSR.
            You are funny. smile
            1. Death Nik1
              Death Nik1 4 November 2014 23: 28
              +2
              Padded jacket, how did you get 15-20%? The course is 35 rubles? What date do you come from?
  49. Death Nik1
    Death Nik1 4 November 2014 23: 05
    +1
    Seem a quilted jacket went with an older consult. Well, let's wait ....
    1. partizan1966
      partizan1966 5 November 2014 18: 40
      +1
      and what is the flag in the profile?
      pro-Israeli-Israeli?
  50. padded jacket
    padded jacket 4 November 2014 23: 11
    -1
    Quote: Smert Nik1
    Seem a quilted jacket went with an older consult. Well, let's wait ....


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