The factory union in Saint-Nazaire declares that the first Mistral will be transferred to Russia on November 14

Information Agency RIA News referring to the representatives of the trade union of the plant in Saint-Nazaire, where the construction of Mistral-type helicopter carriers for Russia was going (is going) for Russia, reports that the solemn ceremony of handing over the first ship to the Russian Navy should take place on November 14.

Recall that in case of refusal to transfer at least one of the helicopter carriers, France will face a billion-dollar fine, which is spelled out in the Russian-French contract. The United States continues to warn the United States against the transfer of the Mistrals to Russia, stating that this may be a violation of the package of anti-Russian sanctions.

Apparently, Paris appears between two fires. On the one hand, it can be expected to suffer huge losses not only in the form of fines, but also in the form of loss of reputation as a reliable supplier of products sold (India closely follows history with the Mistrals and is ready to refuse to sign a contract for the supply of dozens of French fighters). On the other hand, there is pressure from Washington, which requires Hollande to dance to the tune of the main American “partner”. It remains to wait for November 14 and understand which option Paris has preferred.

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[Anton Gavrilov]

Where to go! Of course they will!

[Hellraiser]

And then sanctions, sanctions! And you want to eat!

[Момент]

I think France will drive America by the nose, but it will still pass the Mistrals to Russia.

[Stalevar]

with reference to representatives of the union factory in Saint-Nazaire

And did the representatives of the trade union Oland personally whisper in the ear the date of transfer for a glass of beer? Sorry, over a glass of wine. Poor Francois rushing from heels to mom, does not sleep at night, thinks everything, decides. How to please both this and that. And here is a simple principle. If you are not fish, not meat, then you ...!

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Maybe he whispered ......... no matter what, but the trade unions in France and the USA are the strongest in the world ... and employers and governments reckon with them!

[donavi49]

Representatives of the union - preparing a ceremony. They buy a buffet, make lists of guests and send out invitations. They know better, seriously. In Russia, too, transfers and descents from factory workers information comes 2 weeks before the official announcement.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Stalevar

And did the representatives of the trade union Oland personally whisper in the ear the date of transfer for a glass of beer? Sorry, over a glass of wine.

I am afraid that it was the trade union representatives who whispered to Hollande that if the Mistral is not handed over, then Monsieur Hollande will speak exclusively in falsetto.

This is "socialist" France: there the trade unions are a close-knit mafia cleaner than the Italian one, ready at any moment to arrange a happy life for the government. For example, organize a traffic collapse.

[edge]

Quote: Moment

I think France will drive America by the nose, but it will still pass the Mistrals to Russia.

until the date specified in the contract, you can say anything, anyone, whatever .....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

Where to go! Of course they will!

And why the heck we need it, better grandmother.

[insafufa]

Yes, let the grandmother return, and leave the barge

[Drednout]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And why the heck we need it, better grandmother.

But with "Mistrals" just we do not lose in any case! Well done! If we get it - rub down on sanctions and even pull out all your hairs from all places (this is me "democrat-zapadu"), no - we will earn extra billions, which is not superfluous in the speculative excitement with currency. In short, we wait and rejoice.

[Bombardier]

Quote: Alexander Romanov
And why the heck we need it, better grandmother.


Let the boat be, although they say seaworthiness did not work out very well after the restructuring for us, but the fleet will get at least something from the BDK. And they will not return the money directly for any, they will have to be squeezed out at the expense of assets in Russia - and this is a completely different song.

[Eggor]

Quote: Bombardier

but the fleet will get at least something from the BDK

Sevastopol, 25.10.2014:

[GRAY]

Quote: Drednout

But with "Mistrals" just we do not lose in any case!

There is one scenario in which we lose.
As you know, the Hague court ordered Russia to pay $ 50 billion to the former Yukos shareholders and no one will pay a stump. Further, it is logical to assume that this court decision could cause lawsuits and arrests of Russian property around the world.
Another question is whether our foreign partners will have enough gunpowder to get into the з̶а̶л̶у̶ bottle.

[Letun]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And why the heck we need it, better grandmother.

Well, yes, but still I want to use a pissed rag to click on the nose of a p.

[Uncle]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And why the heck we need it, better grandmother.

This, of course, is by all means, but estimate, Sasha, what a blow to the image of the USA! France disobeyed and traded with Russia, and not just anything, but weapons. It will be more expensive.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Uncle

This, of course, is by all means, but estimate, Sasha, what a blow to the image of the USA!

Well, I understood from the comments, everyone doesn’t give a damn about the ships themselves, but the USA needs to be wiped.

[iConst]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, I understood from the comments, everyone doesn’t give a damn about the ships themselves, but the USA needs to be wiped.

The vector is like that. As some urge that there are no poor, while others - that there are no rich.
At first glance, it seems to be the same thing.
I am also inclined that these Mistrals are like a dog’s fifth leg.
The whole world hit the stealth, and this trough will glow like the mainland.

On the other hand - pendosov completely without a sense of humor when it comes to weapons.
And they are very sensitive to the increase in the military budgets of non-NATO bloc countries (however, if any Turkey suddenly cuts a budget comparable to the Pendox one, they will also be very alarmed - are they planning something? ) ...

So it's time to troll mattresses with Mistrals and other Star Wars

[max702]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And why the heck we need it, better grandmother.

Fuck, yes, but that's what, and we have enough money in virtual paperwork, but with the material embodiment there are great difficulties, what do we have there with the new landing ships of large tonnage? Oh no! But we can build .. It's great but when? And the mistral, no matter how unsuccessful trough he was able to stand up in operation for 3-4 months, not in 5-7 years in the possible future. I will repeat once again there is money! So even if something is sold to us, perhaps in three ways, it will still be better than blocked accounts or discounted pieces of paper in the event of a man-made and not very force majeure, and that's why I am categorically against the sale of weapons, especially to "potential friends" and especially air defense systems, helicopters of aviation and missiles .. How will you shoot down tomahawks and crush the means of reinforcing the infantry, which sooner or later will trample on us? Green bills or virtual zeros from blocked or even requisitioned accounts? The war is going on in full growth, and while the world behind the scenes flatters itself with hopes that it will be possible to get by with a little blood, but every year the opponent is getting stronger on his feet. It was this trend that made the Ukrainian scenario start spinning a year earlier without waiting for the official elections, because it could be late, the count goes on for days and weeks. They even didn’t let the Yanuca get the promised GDP of 15 billion, they would be useful to the junta.

[edge]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And why the heck we need it, better grandmother.

and what grandmas is just a collection of zeros to the figure .... and here is the material embodiment.

[Sid.74]

reports that the ceremony of handing over the first ship to the Russian Navy should be held on November 14.

Well, why was this circus needed? French shipbuilders look like clowns due to Hollande's fault, the ship will be delivered and the sediment will remain! Now foreign buyers will think ten times or even abandon possible contracts with France. For who needs such a "fabulous partnership" relationship.
The Germans from Rheinmetall will wait for the same consideration. They sued the German government to no avail! The courts said that everything is legal. And the Germans fly by with the contract, and the penalty is still likely to be paid to Russia.

[Andrea]

It seems like they’ve gotten born? Something the states are keeping quiet? Hasn’t it yet?

[Giant thought]

Let's not rush to conclusions, let's see what happens in reality, in general, a little patience.

[Alexey M]

That's how the factory union has eggs, but the president does not have them. France has ended. Some of the bedding has been left over.

[Ratmir]

And I honestly hoped that they wouldn’t give it back ... Well, they don’t tell us honestly? But if they wouldn’t give it back, we would still have the technology for their construction, and for the penalty we would have built a couple of three more serious ships at a loss)))

[gispanec]

Quote: Ratmir

But if they didn’t give it away, we would still have the technology for their construction, and if they would forfeit, they would build a couple of the three more serious ships in their place.

give an example of a couple of three ... and the terms of them and where they are and who they are (will build)

[Ratmir]

Do you seriously think that we do not have serious ships and that there is no one to build them ???
"Admiral Nakhimov" "Admiral Lazarev" It seems to me that it is better to send funds for their reconstruction than to pay for it is not clear what the necessary mistrals are for. There are probably other options.

[edge]

Quote: gispanec

and their terms and where are they and who is they (will build)

I absolutely agree, all shipyards are packed to capacity with orders, there is nowhere to build.

[Chicot 1]

Have the French finally woken up national pride? .. Looks like something big and voluminous died in the forest ...

[Finches]

I think that the workers are well aware that if you don’t fulfill such a large contract today, tomorrow most of them will be behind the fence! Yes, and forfeit the penalty from their salary!
This is ordinary capitalism!
Tea is not Oland will give its pay with a premium!

[Drednout]

Quote: Chicot 1

Have the French finally woken up national pride? ..

Yes, right now! The calculator has opened. Calculated - wept. While rushing about like a Moorish boat, but nemchura fell down under Obama in the open. And his gold prosrala and dancing to the tune. Shame on the Bosch.

[Bombardier]

Quote: Drednout

Quote: Chicot 1

Have the French finally woken up national pride? ..

Yes, right now! The calculator has opened. Calculated - wept. While rushing about like a Moorish boat, but nemchura fell down under Obama in the open. And his gold prosrala and dancing to the tune. Shame on the Bosch.

I agree with you. (Sorry, and who are the bosham? - I do not know)

[Uncle]

Quote: Bombardier

(Sorry, and who are the bosham? - I do not know)

Dirty Bosh, as the French call the Germans. Bosch is a popular surname, as we have Medvedev.

[Balamyt]

.. but nemchura fell under Obama in the open ...

You just imagine what Merkel said on the tapped phone that she, by and large, was replaced ... Until all this story, she seemed the most adequate, right now, as an unprincipled and submissive prostitute ...

[Stanislav 1978]

Recall that in the event of failure to transfer at least one of the helicopter carriers, France will face a billionth fine, which is prescribed in the Russian-French contract.
Nevertheless, money for the French is more expensive than political ambitions.

[Andrea]

Yes, even the ass tore off!

[Gray 43]

Unions in the West have weight in contrast to governments, as they defend the interests of ordinary people, and refusal to supply will hit them.

[TIM.555]

Yes nah ... he is needed. You need to upload your own shipyards.

[donavi49]

So already loaded beyond measure. There are no places everywhere. Another thing is that you need to increase productivity. Conduct a revolution in shipbuilding so that, say, not the entire ship was built at the same shipyard - which is long and expensive (for 80% of the construction period the track is completely filled), but was assembled from finished blocks produced at other enterprises, like the same Zumwalt for example or 045.

Separately, it is necessary to work with subcontractors, or with tasks, because those ships that have a large% of paper components at the time of design come out sideways.

[gispanec]

Quote: TIM.555

Yes nah ... he is needed. You need to upload your own shipyards.

which ones? ... there are none, and since there are no free ones, you don’t have to throw craps .... our sailors walk and walk on it .... and by the way protect you

[Turkish Granite]

Let them take this box for themselves, only they will return the money and pay the penalty: we ourselves have something to build!

[Treadweds]

All the same, they push their "troughs" ...
Did they even fix the "increased pitching"?

[pts-m]

yes hight floating then there’s a trough along the rivers of Russia, and it’s quite reasonable that people can transport helicopters at their side where necessary. There are enough blind places. You’re sung in the song ... and you can only fly by helicopter .. they will earn money for food.

[gispanec]

Quote: Tredweds

All the same, they are pushing their "troughs" ... They at least corrected the "increased pitching"?

the trough at your dacha .... instead of capacity, and this is a warship for Russian sailors ... and about pitching is this our host team told you or ZhurnaluGi ??? ... catch the difference?

[Lyolik]

Mistral is good, if in the photo it is Mistral, it will be ours unequivocally. Our Russian flag will be hoisted on our Mistral ships.
So amerikosy already sit in their felling, but keep quiet.

[Enot_33]

It would be better to refuse to give. I don’t understand the purpose of purchasing these barges abroad! Is it possible that a country that is building modern nuclear submarines will not be able to rivet such a tub !? In fact, it is nothing more than a barge for the transport of equipment and personnel.

[donavi49]

7-8 years and 20 lard rubles (in February prices of 2014 years) per ship. This is the general Nevsky Design Bureau, which would be loaded with our UDC / DKVD.

MOSCOW, February 3 - RIA Novosti. The promising large landing ship (BDK) of the new generation will cost about 20 billion rubles and will differ significantly in its appearance from the ships of the current generation, Sergei Vlasov, general director of OJSC Nevskoye PKB, said in an interview with RIA Novosti.
"The creation of such a ship will take 7-8 years, it all depends on the size, financing and the availability of cooperation. Such a ship will cost about 20 billion rubles.", - said Vlasov.
He noted that the new BDK will be a more versatile ship for the equipment based on it and in terms of landing methods. At the same time, the general configuration of the promising "paratrooper" will be about the same, just outwardly it may look more like the "Mistral", or its superstructure will be shifted towards the bow, and the stern will be open.
"The options may be different, depending on what characteristics are set by the fleet. <...> We have developments, we reported on them Navy commander at a conference at the Kuznetsov Naval Academy, but so far no further progress", - added the general director of Nevsky PKB.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140203/992718839.html#ixzz3EJI5VjB4

[gispanec]

Quote: donavi49

7-8 years and 20 lard rubles (in February prices of 2014 years) per ship. This is the general Nevsky Design Bureau, which would be loaded with our UDC / DKVD.

yes it’s useless to explain the inexplicable ..... they write about the fact that Mistral is not needed not because of the real combat or other qualities of the ship .... but because of the pluses .... after all, almost everyone says that it costs 1.2 mln euros 15 corvettes will be built ... it’s 4 frigates ... and there were even 3 ash trees .... well, why should I argue with them? .. they don’t want to discuss ... and both Mistals will be part of the Russian Navy ... and one there will definitely be a flagship (at the Black Sea Fleet) ... then everyone who called them barges ... troughs ... that floats .... will be ashamed ...

[Turkish Granite]

I’m unlikely to be ashamed, but how this box will behave during operation aaagromny question. The same question is whether the French will lead these “beauties” under the conditions of sanctions. And who will eliminate defects and current malfunctions under a guarantee? And how much dough and time will have to be killed by the Rebovites for the clearance of this product, so that it does not go out due to the manufacturer's bookmarks at the most crucial moment. And in general, the big question is how these boxes will behave in our climate, I heard they are very thermophilic.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Enot_33

Is a country that is building modern nuclear submarines not able to rivet such a tub !? In fact, it is nothing more than a barge for the transport of equipment and personnel.

The problem is that the design and construction cycle of submarines in our country was not interrupted. And new projects almost all mutated from the previous ones.
But we have not yet built a normal DVKD or even designed it. And you have to do it from scratch.

The first "approach to the projectile" was under Lena: then it turned out that if you complete everything operational the requirements of the Navy (reduced to "more in number, at a cheaper price"), it turns out a slightly re-equipped ro-ro ship with a landing force, which can barely crawl and is drowned by one torpedo. And if you do everything tactical and technical requirements of the same Navy, the DVKD breaks into the TAVKR pr. 1143 hull only.

[sever.56]

If the French do not hand over the Mistrals to Russia, they will finally lose face and look like Obama's faithful lapdog. I hope that not all French people share Hollande's policies and are ashamed of their president and government. Marine Le Pen is the face of a truly proud and independent France!

[Treadweds]

We buy troughs in France, and where will we buy fuel for them?
Fuel needed for Mistral-type helicopter carriers is not produced in Russia, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

[Demetry]

Quote: Tredweds

Fuel needed for Mistral-type helicopter carriers is not produced in Russia, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

Yeah .... produced for border ships with imported engines, made for foreign cars, made for a luxury car class Dmitry Olegovich and then suddenly not made ......

It sausages like ..... This is when we stopped producing solarium? When did you forget how to version it ???

Remember this .... "yes, his grenades are of the wrong system" ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tredweds

Fuel needed for Mistral-type helicopter carriers is not produced in Russia, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

Yes, he has already denied this statement - it was not about fuel, but about the entire range of fuels and lubricants required by Mistral, and the problem was only with some types of oils.

If no fuel is produced, then what was the fuel for the Mistral during his visit to St. Petersburg? And what do all our ships with Vyartsilya engines use?
ICHH, "Vyartsilya" has been registered in our Navy since the times of the USSR - the Finns were actively building auxiliary vessels for the Soviet Union.

[surovts.valery]

Diesel engines "Sulzer-Tsigelsky" on "Polish" BDK 775 pr. And even a bunch of auxiliary ships of the Navy. They eat their own domestic diesel fuel and will not choke. The same is with oil.

[gispanec]

Quote: Tredweds

Fuel needed for Mistral-type helicopter carriers is not produced in Russia, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

and Rogozin also said that Almaz-Antey would produce products at new factories in N Novgorod and Kirov (until the age of 15) ... they still didn’t start building currents, and he also said that we would grow cucumbers on the moon in 10 years. .... do you believe that too?

[TSOOBER]

At the Almaz-Antey missile defense plant (Nizhny Novgorod), equipment installation began, linkhttp: //sdelanounas.ru/blogs/51901/

[Mountain shooter]

These are the fronts. There is an option for the mattress to play the dill card again. To launch an offensive in Novorossia in order to disrupt the elections there, to get "on the tinsel", to scream under this sauce about tougher sanctions, and to continue pressing on France in order to achieve the cancellation of the transfer of the Mistrals.

[bmv04636]

as I understood from the headline "The factory trade union in Saint-Nazaire declares that the first Mistral will be handed over to Russia on November 14"
The French workers at the Saint-Nazaire shipyard want to hand over the Mistrals to the Russian Federation, and their "main penguin" is against it. By announcing this date, it is hinted that if the French government will delay, then from this date the counter will begin to drip.

[Andrew 447]

Also drew attention to the estimated date of transfer 14 November, but I remember voiced the date of delivery of the contract until November, that is, no later than October 31.Hence the question, ours will release this rudeness "on the brakes" or will be presented. Rogozin made a lot of high-profile statement on this issue, how much will these statements diverge from the case?

[made13]

The show is mast go! It would be funny if it were not so sad!

[Prager]

Lord, forgive me, why do we need these troughs?

[SOLGA]

but the Americans themselves did not cancel the order of our helicopters for Afghanistan)

[shtch]

Pf, they even specifically stipulated their exclusion from sanctions. Because their own is expensive and troublesome, moreover, it is practically unattended outside of factory conditions.

[Wolka]

yeah, if the transfer of the mistral does not take place, the unions will arrange another bourgeois revolution in the country ...

[Figvam]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And why the heck we need it, better grandmother.

grandmothers will not be many many years
so better is mistral

[SAHALIN]

All the same, this lady - Marine Lee Pen - is a real man, learn all French, or mattresses, steering, how the real owner of Your country should act, your word, so as not to step on the rake twice, because the sale of these ships to Russia is nothing, and the reputation is ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hagalaz]

Quote: Bombardier

Quote: Alexander Romanov
And why the heck we need it, better grandmother.


Let the boat be, although they say seaworthiness did not work out very well after the restructuring for us, but the fleet will get at least something from the BDK. And they will not return the money directly for any, they will have to be squeezed out at the expense of assets in Russia - and this is a completely different song.

Tongue removed

[Buskanov]

How I like to read VO at the end of the year: "laid down", "launched", "undergoing sea trials", "adopted", "first flight", "modernized" ... And then there's the Mistral.
There are many opinions. Someone says that they are not needed, but I believe that at this time he (they) oh how it will not hurt us

[Rustam]

_between lines _


Well, what can I say, I'll wait (until I really believe it I can’t believe it to the end) and then I will express myself if everything is the way!

if you look back 3 years here, from the very beginning he defended this ship, at first there were few of us (supporters) - then the people began to increase

in general, hello to all the old ones, I won’t speak anymore 2 weeks left to wait

p, s- and to the authors of the article! gentlemen could find a photo of Vlad, they are in excellent quality now on the net a dime a dozen

[avt]

Quote: Rustam

if you look back 3 years here, from the very beginning he defended this ship, at first there were few of us (supporters) - then the people began to increase

I will not say what was originally for this contract. But to bliss after signing and rejoice that we can not get the READY ship, but it is dreary to sue for a penalty ...... For today this is the ONLY chance for our fleet to get a modern UDC. All the rest is nonsense. It is necessary to take both and lay two in St. Petersburg, as provided by the contract. And during the construction time to skate your intelligible project under your own "Chamois", "Dugongs" and something new, including turntables.

Quote: donavi49

"The creation of such a ship will take 7-8 years, it all depends on the size, financing and the availability of cooperation. Such a ship will cost about 20 billion rubles," Vlasov said.

Put everything 10-12. Let the marines cut through this time on the Frenchmen! Well, it's not funny - in the 1966 DK ranks! And the rest of the world are breathing! Yes, and we need to finish with the ships of the Second World War. And don't gundet that we don't need barges! Moreover, Kerch has been returned, and it is quite possible to make a horror support to the UDC on the basis of the projects of the lighters "Aleksey Kosygin" and "Sevmorput".

[nivander]

".. President Obama's hand poodle"

Marie Le Pen future president of France

[mackonya]

The sanctions do not apply to those contracts that were previously agreed and which must be executed to preserve the reputation and avoid forfeits. Or then let the State Department compensate for all the losses, although whoever will compensate for the jobs, dozens of enterprises and thousands of jobs are “tied up” on the Mistral project.

[Suhov]

Quote: sever.56

Marine Le Pen is the face of a true proud and independent France!

If you think that Marine Le Pen is the face of France,
then you have a question:
What part of France is Hollande?

[pts-m]

yes here and guess inappropriately, naturally the fifth point!

[iner]

If the President of France cannot solve this issue, the union will solve it without a presidency!

[erased]

I don’t even know whether to rejoice or not ?! Money is now needed, but the need for the Mistral is a big question. Or not? In a word, if you do not turn, there is no complete clarity.

[Zomanus]

Trough or not, but we need warships. Especially landing, because we are now building ships for warfare, and not for transportation. How many grains are already on the stocks and we’ve scraped the wall? So the ship will definitely not be superfluous.

[Number 17]

Between the first and second breaker is not big as they say. Where the first is there and the second.

[SergeyZel]

This is the trade unions in Russia - an empty place, and over the hill a union can also dismiss.