Brazilians rolled out their first transporter KS-390 from the hangar

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Embraer, a Brazilian company, in its Gavian-Peixoto facility on Tuesday rolled out the first prototype of an average transport aircraft, the KS-390, on a solemn ceremony. This blog writes bmpd.



“The KS-390 aircraft is being developed by Embraer from 2006 onwards and is a ramp machine made in the class of the popular Lockheed C-130“ Hercules ”aircraft and is claiming to replace the latter. Equipped with two International Aero Engines V2500-E5 TRDs, the KS-390 aircraft with a maximum take-off weight of 81 t must carry up to 23 t of cargo in a cargo cabin with a length of 17,75 m, and also carry out the tasks of the tanker aircraft (maximum weight of fuel up to 37,4 t) - reported on the site.

Embraer signed a contract with the Brazilian government at 2008. Under it, it pledged to carry out a full-scale development of a transport worker, build a prototype 2 and conduct their comprehensive tests. Contract value $ 1,5 billion

Development assistance is provided by Boeing Corporation. According to the author of the publication, the Chilean "ENAER", the Argentine "Fabrica Argentina de Aviones (FAdeA)", the Portuguese "OGMA", the Czech "Aero Vodochody" also participate in the development and production program of the aircraft, and in addition, an agreement on participation with the government of Colombia. "

The Brazilian Air Force has already signed a contract for the supply of 28 aircraft. It is assumed that the participating countries will also order these machines for their air forces. A total of foreign partners are expected orders for 32 aircraft.

In the first flight, the head prototype is planned to be raised by the end of the year. A supply of serial KS-390 Brazilian Air Force was promised to begin (very optimistic, by the way) from the end of 2016.



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  1. +11
    22 October 2014 20: 25
    The BRICS countries are not a spit on the map, mattress covers!
    1. jjj
      +23
      22 October 2014 20: 25
      And as soon as Brazil does not agree with the opinion of the "civilized world", many units will suddenly stop working
      1. +20
        22 October 2014 20: 30
        It looks like a seal
        All harmless such ..... Yes The main thing is to fly well.
        1. +18
          22 October 2014 20: 37
          Quote: DRA-88
          It looks like a seal

          ----------------
          It is visually and conceptually similar to Antoshka ...
          1. +7
            22 October 2014 20: 41
            But really nothing. Pretty bucket happened) Maybe when they want!
            1. +12
              22 October 2014 20: 50
              They also have other "birds"
              1. +2
                23 October 2014 06: 47
                I fly almost every month on Embreere 190 ... dear bird ... our super seems to me worse
              2. +1
                23 October 2014 06: 47
                I fly almost every month on Embreere 190 ... dear bird ... our super seems to me worse
            2. +3
              23 October 2014 09: 53
              We have a third of Air Astana's Embraery Park. Many employees enjoy the Embraer economy class more than the same class at Boeing and Airbus
          2. +1
            22 October 2014 22: 13
            Quote: Altona
            It is visually and conceptually similar to Antoshka ...


            Is that emotional?

            And so on the An-148, no more. Or vice versa. It depends on who first steal the blueprints?
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        2. +9
          22 October 2014 20: 47
          Quote: DRA-88
          It looks like a seal
          All harmless such ..... The main thing is to fly well.

          Quietly, without noise and dust, Brazilians for 40 years were among the leaders of the world aircraft industry ...
          1. +4
            22 October 2014 20: 51
            Quote: Vasek
            , Brazilians for 40 years were among the leaders of the global aircraft industry ...

            Here I am about the same !!!
            And we buy airbuses ... unless 30 years ago who nt could think about it
        3. Igor80
          +1
          23 October 2014 00: 32
          Yes, but our domestic "birds" are much more beautiful, and even more beautiful hi
      2. +1
        22 October 2014 23: 05
        For starters, they will not be supplied with engines ...
      3. +1
        23 October 2014 02: 26
        Yes, if, as stated in the article, assistance is provided by "Boeing", then there is something to think about. It is very carefully necessary to cooperate with such partners-gimmicks. Better yet, just bow at airshows.
    2. +1
      22 October 2014 21: 18
      It looks brutally how it will fly, let's see.
    3. +4
      22 October 2014 21: 24
      Well, Brazilians deserve respect for being able to make such a good airplane, good luck with them on the tests.
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    5. Denis fj
      +4
      22 October 2014 22: 31
      It's nice to see that navigation optics are built into the design, and not screwed anywhere.
      1. FID
        +1
        23 October 2014 10: 48
        Quote: denis fj
        It’s nice to see that navigation optics are built into the design, and not screwed anywhere

        I apologize, but what is navigation optics? I heard about weather radars, I heard about BCC, I heard about radio rangefinders and radio compasses ... About navigation optics, sorry, no.
        1. Denis fj
          +1
          23 October 2014 22: 13
          I'm certainly not a super-duper specialist, but I think it was done so that refueling in the air would automatically take place. Plus, there are also optical control and centering systems there.
    6. Denis fj
      0
      22 October 2014 22: 44
      TECHNICAL SIDE-KS-390.

      According to the main project, the Embraer KC-390 is designed according to the layout of a high-wing with a T-tail and two turbofan jet engines. PW390 engines of the American company Pratt & Whitney and BR6000 of the British Rolls-Royce with a thrust of 715-75,6 kilonewtons are considered as options for the KC-98 power plants. They will allow the aircraft to reach speeds of up to Mach 0,8 (about 920 kilometers per hour) and fly fully loaded over distances of up to 2,6 thousand kilometers.
      The cargo ramp will be located in the tail end of the aircraft, which can carry not only landing forces, but also various types of equipment. The load capacity of the machine will be 23,6 tons. It should also be noted that in addition to transporting the KC-390, it is to perform the functions of a tanker. To do this, the machine will receive flexible hoses at the ends of the wings in order to produce a simultaneous refueling of two aircraft. It is also possible that in the modified version of the KC-390, a refueling bar will appear in the tail section.
      For comparison, the American military transport aircraft C-130J Super Hercules, proposed by Lockheed Martin as a replacement for the obsolete C-130 Hercules, was built according to a high-wing layout layout with a classic tail unit. The machine is equipped with four Rolls-Royce AE2100D3 turboprop engines, which allow the aircraft to fly at a speed of 671 kilometer per hour up to 5,2 thousands of kilometers. Load capacity - 19-20 tons, depending on the modification. C-130J is available in versions of a transport worker, a tanker, a transporting tanker, a patrol aircraft and a meteorological laboratory.
      KC-390, obviously, will be presented by several modifications. So, if an order is received from Carreios, the plane will be built as a transport without the possibility of refueling other aircraft. In addition, some of the customers can order a car in the form of a tanker, where the cargo compartment will be replaced with additional fuel tanks. At the same time, the Brazilian media do not exclude the possibility of creating KC-390 variants for the ground forces and Brazilian navy. However, this information is not yet officially confirmed.
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    8. +2
      23 October 2014 00: 16
      Something it resembles IL-76 and "Anthea" at the same time. And the flag is in their hands!
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    10. 0
      23 October 2014 01: 31
      See the emergency statement Strelkova for 22.10 on the site.
  2. +5
    22 October 2014 20: 27
    So, the country of Monkey. laughing
    1. +10
      22 October 2014 20: 55
      So, the country of Monkey.

      Well you! This is the country of Don Pedro! And there are just a lot of monkeys! And don Pedro - he is! fellow
      1. +8
        22 October 2014 21: 11
        signed $ 3,2 billion contract for the construction of 28 aircraft, KC-390 for the Brazilian Air Force ....
        designed and manufactured by the transporter, Embraer from Sao Paulo ...

        final assembly of the first, of the two KC-390


        1. +1
          22 October 2014 21: 21
          Quote: cosmos111
          Brazilians rolled out their first transporter KS-390 from the hangar

          here, another video in the topic ...
  3. +1
    22 October 2014 20: 30
    You can buy a license ... otherwise we will wait until the MTA?
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    2. +2
      22 October 2014 21: 35
      I don’t read Portuguese ... but it’s clear even without translation ...

      when the fuselage of the transporter, KS-390 was made, composite materials were used !!!
      info s:http://www.publico.pt/economia/noticia/barriga-e-asas-do-novo-kc390-com-a-marca-
      da-engenharia-portuguesa-1673522? page = -1 # / 0

    3. avt
      +6
      22 October 2014 21: 37
      negative [quote = PPSh] You can buy a license ... otherwise we will wait for the MTA?
      In in! Favorite game of managers! We don't know how to do our own stuff and don't give money for our aviation, and then we don't know how to do our own thing, and there is no one - we have to buy it for a good bakshish. Well, and then moan about the fact that we can't get off the oil needle! By the way, the Japanese have already done something similar, they made a twin-engine one and Antonov was in a hurry to make a transport in the line 148/158/178 and have already rolled out the fuselage! with such a budget !!!! negative
      1. +5
        22 October 2014 22: 05
        Quote: avt
        And our great By all Supjet is sawing with such a budget !!!!

        Just right to rename "Dry Superbudget".
        1. +3
          22 October 2014 22: 13
          Quote: Vasek
          Just right to rename "Dry Superbudget".

          With such leaders of the Russian Federation will be left without their own aircraft! am
          1. +2
            22 October 2014 22: 16
            Quote: DRA-88
            With such leaders of the Russian Federation will be left without their own aircraft! am


            History goes in turns! It’s time, my friend, to prepare for new Great construction projects, now in the 21st century. But hello Vladlen! hi
            1. +1
              22 October 2014 22: 25
              Hi Sanya! hi
              Quote: studentmati
              story goes in turns! It’s time, my friend, to prepare for new Great construction projects, now in the 21st century.

              Something I'm not optimistic today lol
              1. +1
                22 October 2014 22: 34
                Quote: DRA-88
                Something I'm not optimistic today lol


                The optimism of the White Sea Canal does not pin me either.
                1. +3
                  22 October 2014 22: 44
                  Quote: studentmati
                  The optimism of the White Sea Canal does not pin me either.

                  Today I received personal documents ....
                  Nooooo, such an RFa will not end well! am
                  1. +1
                    22 October 2014 22: 51
                    Quote: DRA-88
                    Today I received personal documents ....
                    Nooooo, such an RFa will not end well! am


                    Did you get it? good The rest is ahead! fellow
                    1. +3
                      22 October 2014 22: 55
                      Quote: studentmati
                      Did you get it?
                      If you heard me broadcast am
                      Sanya, honestly, I WANT IN THE USSR !!!!
                      1. +6
                        22 October 2014 23: 05
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Sanya, honestly, I WANT IN THE USSR !!!!


                        Tell me, who doesn’t want, from those who come from such a great country? I ask you to vote as minuses to me - who does not want to!
                      2. kompotnenado
                        -4
                        22 October 2014 23: 49
                        I remember perfectly the sausage trains, the stinky communal, the total deficit. The salary is 130. So do not greatly embellish. There were pros, there were cons.
                      3. +3
                        23 October 2014 00: 55
                        Quote: kompotnenado
                        I remember perfectly the sausage trains, the stinky communal, the total deficit

                        You kept sausage in your communal apartment so everything stank of you!
                        Clean up after yourself nadot! laughing
            2. +4
              22 October 2014 22: 29
              Quote: studentmati
              It's time my friend to prepare for new Great construction projects, now 21-th century.

              Have the Rotenbergs already received a state order on them?
              However, hello Alexander, Vladlen, hello!
              1. +1
                22 October 2014 22: 37
                Quote: Normal
                Have the Rotenbergs already received a state order on them?
                However, hello Alexander, Vladlen, hello!


                Hi Volodya! hi Rotenbergs will sniff!
                1. +2
                  22 October 2014 22: 42
                  Quote: studentmati
                  Hi Volodya! Rotenbergs will sniff!

                  I would like your optimism ...
                  I'm afraid that we will "sniff", and the Rotenbergs will eat ... from the belly, and by no means bread, but caviar ... black ...
                  Already, the GDP will grow fast for its own sake.
                  1. +2
                    22 October 2014 22: 47
                    Quote: Normal
                    not bread, but caviar ... black ...
                    Already, the GDP will grow fast for its own sake.

                    It seems to me that they are already eating stem cells, damn it!
                  2. +2
                    22 October 2014 22: 58
                    Quote: Normal

                    I would like your optimism ...
                    I'm afraid that we will "sniff", and the Rotenbergs will eat ... from the belly, and by no means bread, but caviar ... black ...
                    Already, the GDP will grow fast for its own sake.


                    The main excerpt! good
              2. +2
                22 October 2014 22: 41
                Hello Vladimir! hi
                Quote: Normal
                Have the Rotenbergs already received a state order on them?

                They will definitely get it, you don’t have to go to your grandmother!
                1. +2
                  22 October 2014 22: 43
                  Quote: DRA-88
                  They will definitely get it, you don’t have to go to your grandmother!


                  Quote: studentmati
                  Hi Volodya! hi Rotenbergs will sniff!


                  So many people, so many opinions. hi
  4. +6
    22 October 2014 20: 32
    This is fazenderos give! It looks very elegant, and the performance characteristics are in order. Wiped our nose Ilyushinsam. The move is ours.
    1. +4
      22 October 2014 20: 35
      I would not say about grace, the fairing of the chassis is made anyhow ...
      1. +1
        22 October 2014 20: 50
        Quote: Forget
        the fairing of the chassis is made anyhow ...

        Yes, the "pants" are fashionable! laughing
        but, after all, this is not the main thing in the transporter, but how much space has been freed up in the cargo compartment.
    2. raf
      +5
      22 October 2014 20: 40
      Wiped our nose Ilyushinsam.
      You made this "deeply meaningful" conclusion on the basis of eight photographs of a prototype (!) Sample ?!
  5. +2
    22 October 2014 20: 36
    Bravo done. Good luck and equality of takeoffs and landings!)
  6. +4
    22 October 2014 20: 37
    Beautiful bird! Well done !!!
  7. +6
    22 October 2014 20: 42
    An example of good management. From a bankrupt company turned into a fairly well-known airline
  8. +3
    22 October 2014 20: 43
    oh, what is he all new and irony ... I just want to touch!
  9. +2
    22 October 2014 20: 44
    If "BOEING" signed up there, then it doesn't smell like anything !!!!
  10. The Art of War
    +1
    22 October 2014 20: 45
    http://www.ntv.ru/video/1006581/В канадском парламенте началась перестрелка
    1. The Art of War
      +4
      22 October 2014 20: 47
      Skirmish begins in Canadian Parliament
      1. The Art of War
        +7
        22 October 2014 20: 54
        Give us a shootout in usa in congress fellow
        1. +4
          22 October 2014 21: 29
          and at the same time let the white house spud! the runoff of grief was brought into the world; they will never be washed of blood forever. They got old and laughed as our white house was shot from tanks in a reality show, but you and I remember that the earth is round, we will meet around the corner. Give us the same kina, and in the best ranks. (yes, yes, yes, here I am so bloodthirsty am but not vindictive, ches-ches feel I will avenge and forget winked ) laughing
        2. +2
          22 October 2014 23: 15
          Quote: The Art of War
          Give us a shootout in usa in congress

          Why only in Congress? There are still many "good" seats. wink
      2. +2
        22 October 2014 21: 04
        I don't care what's in Canada!
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      4. 0
        23 October 2014 00: 21
        Ha! And there Bandera showed themselves! laughing Oh well. what
  11. +2
    22 October 2014 20: 46
    but to me, purely aesthetically, it does not seem very beautiful No. but just to fly beautifully winked
  12. WS
    +1
    22 October 2014 20: 46
    The aircraft is easier to design and launch into production, especially since the engines are already serial. Here we have no ice with engines.
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    2. 0
      23 October 2014 00: 26
      We have no "ice" with their production until we have our own state-owned bank of issue.
  13. US force
    +5
    22 October 2014 20: 53
    Breaking news, ISIS members infiltrated Canada and shoot at Ottawa. drinks
    1. 0
      23 October 2014 00: 31
      Yes, it is not the IGL, but the local Bandera, who are passed off as them. Let's turn on the "head unit". What is it for the IGL in Canada? The State Department - yes.
  14. +7
    22 October 2014 20: 55
    Under Yeltsin, two bastards agreed with the country's leadership for Russia to buy used Boeings. This act was ruined domestic aircraft industry. But then a private airline was created. For a long time, the Russian people will pay for the criminal activities of the former leadership of the country. And it’s nice to look at the Brazilians. I have the honor.
  15. +4
    22 October 2014 20: 57
    The plane does not cause rejection - rather, even like it)
    Like An-148, right?
  16. +5
    22 October 2014 21: 00
    Bravo, Brazil! This is the course towards the 3rd millennium superpower.
    And although the development is joint, and the car is empty (so far) has not flown, the country is developing its potential. And he goes along the path of far from least resistance.
    And you say: many wild monkeys ...
  17. +1
    22 October 2014 21: 03
    It reminds me of Kawasaki C-1.
    1. 0
      22 October 2014 21: 53
      C-1 looks like this if someone did not know.
  18. pinecone
    +2
    22 October 2014 21: 04
    Quote: Vasek
    Quietly, without noise and dust, Brazilians for 40 years were among the leaders of the world aircraft industry ...


    Yes, but they use imported engines.
  19. 0
    22 October 2014 21: 06
    well done Brazilians, only it’s necessary to have more so that on the plane there are so many smaller states am
  20. 0
    22 October 2014 21: 06
    I don’t know what his technical characteristics are, but his appearance is shitty. In my opinion of course.
  21. +1
    22 October 2014 21: 06
    I wonder what kind of engines there ...
  22. +6
    22 October 2014 21: 08
    Something it still reminds me of ...
    Seem it -
  23. +1
    22 October 2014 21: 14
    Guys! Something we have with the news is not operational somehow ?! In Canada, the campaign went on, the Ishilovites seized parliament, shooting ....
    1. +3
      22 October 2014 21: 35
      from why the hell is that Canada, ovskiy tail sniffy? amers needed to be nightmare! but plus anyway wink
    2. 0
      22 October 2014 21: 40
      Yes, they constantly shoot somewhere, and what?
    3. +1
      22 October 2014 21: 51
      Oh igilovtsy minus)))
  24. +3
    22 October 2014 21: 35
    I don’t know how, Fokers 50 that we had from Brazil, we changed all the hydraulics, the fluid.
    Although a trifle can be said, there was no emergency with them.
    Embrairs, not on board, while there was no state of emergency, and so on in Kazakhstan, Kazan, Domodedovo, and so on ...
    it's not a superjet anyway.
  25. 0
    22 October 2014 21: 38
    Quote: Makarov
    I wonder what kind of engines there ...

    Similar to IAE-2500 !!! laughing
    1. 0
      22 October 2014 21: 58
      Is it similar, in my opinion not very)
  26. 0
    22 October 2014 21: 50
    as I understand it, the Czechs took part there last but not least)
  27. TBN
    TBN
    0
    22 October 2014 21: 51
    Do not worry! This is not a plane ...
  28. +1
    22 October 2014 21: 59
    Brazil is a big plus, and I remember not so long ago everyone shouted “the country is bankrupt!” It's time for Mother Russia to get up from her knees and put things in order in her own house and around it!
  29. 0
    22 October 2014 22: 07
    And the Brazilian engines are?
    1. 0
      22 October 2014 23: 06
      Of course not.
  30. +1
    22 October 2014 22: 08
    And what else to add.
    Over 20 km, strike, helicopter after the latest events, sucks. smile
    damn it does not star that the MI-35 fulfills the same functions, this is a matter of new drones.
    1. -1
      22 October 2014 22: 15
      Add.
      So, helicopters already suck, drums.
    2. 0
      22 October 2014 22: 27
      With TVD is not suitable - high IR visibility for weapons.
      Perspective aircraft with PD.
      The same Tukano with PD will be much more protected from MANPADS, in addition, modern PDs have a noticeable advantage in comparison with PDs of the 40s.
      1. 0
        22 October 2014 22: 35
        Quote: Ivan Tarasov
        The same Tukano with PD will be much more protected from MANPADS, in addition, modern PDs have a noticeable advantage compared to PD 40x

        That's funny, but here the "old" pepelatsy are buying. They don't want to buy helicopters ...
        Sinister ... Kazakh-Bandera or whatever else they want to call us, in short, but you’ll come up with something.
  31. 0
    22 October 2014 22: 09
    What is the point here, this daily work of the Brazilians.
    They have no war, live in chocolate.
    And here everyone experiences shocks in Ukraine, it depends on her
    how much they draw other states into the war.
    In Ukraine, not just people, as they say there are no interchangeable ones, well, let Zakharchenko be.
    This is not so, many in their dementia pull us all to the abyss.
  32. +1
    22 October 2014 22: 09
    Glad for Brazil! This is a good investment .. (nevertheless, it is better than purchasing and working for spare parts ..) Own and this is the main thing! Investments go and jobs ..!
  33. 0
    22 October 2014 22: 16
    Nice. Well done Brazilians. Dilme would have stood the ballot despite the mattresses.
  34. 0
    22 October 2014 22: 21
    It depends on who first steal the blueprints? Why immediately stole - gave
  35. 0
    22 October 2014 22: 22
    cool pipelats)))
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  37. +1
    22 October 2014 22: 37
    Well done, they first roll out then explain, and not vice versa ...
  38. 0
    22 October 2014 23: 25
    Well, in appearance it is not always possible to evaluate the important qualities of the machine. The main thing that flew was reliable ... And there it will be seen. But ... well done Brazilians! Are growing ...
  39. +1
    22 October 2014 23: 31
    Here we have a new Minister of Defense, I'm losing weight.
    A line lined up from hangers-on.
    Who will fight? maternity question?
    I personally will, so that my Baursaks would not be ashamed in front of my relatives. And so on and on, over the hill, everyone will describe.
    Next, you need to think already.
    Well, the ass is coming. They are already there, they are indifferent. And he would have put his own in a stall, and the result will be a cord for him. Let's get it all the same.
    Shaproshtintsev, truly all of Kazakhstan will not come.
    1. 0
      23 October 2014 00: 31
      For prevention.
      Life on the small does not end.
      1. 0
        23 October 2014 00: 38
        They are fighting the Empire.
  40. 0
    22 October 2014 23: 46
    We were Sold, so if you can ...
  41. -1
    22 October 2014 23: 56
    Similar to the AN-72 (74), as a twin, they increased their cruising speed, reduced their carrying capacity, he will have more take-off, so it turns out? the noise will also be greater.
  42. 0
    23 October 2014 00: 22
    Quote: Enot_33
    But really nothing. Pretty bucket happened) Maybe when they want!

    In fact, Embraer has long been able, and, a lot.
  43. 0
    23 October 2014 03: 04
    Glad for the Brazilians. Perhaps our Air Force will also purchase several of these machines, because in the light of recent events, light transporters based on the An-148 will most likely not be. His IL is still only in the project.
    But there is one minus of Embraer, which spoils the whole picture. Embraer is an assembly plant. Yes, Brazilians are developing cars. But they make the bulk of the components of these machines outside of Brazil. The most important thing - the engines - the Brazilians are not able to produce. Accordingly, in the event of a theoretical conflict, the production of embryos can easily be completely stopped.
    We are quite capable of producing our own military equipment without the help of Western "friends". So we still surpass the Brazilians. So far, we surpass.
  44. 0
    23 October 2014 05: 31
    Nice board turned out.
  45. baraban
    +1
    23 October 2014 05: 45
    Good airplane)
  46. TECHNOLOGY
    +1
    23 October 2014 06: 05
    Twin brothers? recourse
  47. Leonidych
    0
    23 October 2014 07: 22
    We urgently need to start cooperation with our airlines and then things will go wrong!
  48. 0
    23 October 2014 08: 13
    So does he fly? Tests in the air were or so far only pokatushki on the airfield?

    And judging by the low chassis, he does not like primers. He needs a smooth asphalt. And how will he be able to fulfill his mission in wartime?
  49. 0
    23 October 2014 10: 14
    It is visually and conceptually similar to Antoshka ...
    Cars of this class are all similar to each other, according to the concept, a completely different car, it does not roll to wide-body ones, the ramp principle is completely different, even the engine pylons are different ... Masha is not bad, but she is rather weak in terms of load. But well done, I work, I roll out. They didn’t rip off anybody. Purely their car, there is a true succession of certain components and assemblies, but this is not a reason to say that they were ripped off ... By the way, it is not customary to call Antonov cars "Antoshka" - many consider it an insult. They are Annushki, Annushki ...
    And the airplane is a nice, interesting solution with the main landing gear, and the hinge of their plumage is interesting. Well done, keep it up!
  50. 0
    23 October 2014 10: 20
    Quote: Rodriques
    Similar to the AN-72 (74), as a twin, they increased their cruising speed, reduced their carrying capacity, he will have more take-off, so it turns out? the noise will also be greater.

    More like twins than twins ... Generally different cars !!!
  51. 0
    23 October 2014 13: 44
    Quote: vodolaz
    The BRICS countries are not a spit on the map, mattress covers!



    What does BRICS have to do with it? Did you read carefully? Boeing is involved in the development.
  52. 0
    23 October 2014 16: 51
    Where is the Russian 20-ton transport truck?
    AN-12 is outdated, especially tied to Ukraine.
    AN-148 and so on - flimsy, craggy.
    In this way, Russia will be forced to stand in the Basile queue for 20 tons.